This is the song that I gravitated towards when I joined Portflio Builder. Had some fun with this over the course of half a day's work in total over 3 days.
Looking forward to see the video on why you don’t like top down mixing. In the Will Putney NTM, he says that he doesn’t like it because everything ends up sounding the same
Great tutorial, it definitely does not hurt the recording itself was so good to begin with! I don’t have this type separation and clarity where I record, not a great room though so I’m sure that doesn’t help! I’ll be trying some of this out for sure, 👌🏻 great stuff
This was a cool little mix, man. I'm curious as to why you stopped using top down and why you're against it now. Hope to see more videos like this on your channel.
Inspiring seeing how good you made the depth (and song in general) with clip + 2b. And you don't need finicky (or any lmao) plugin moves on individual tracks to get it to there (that base level of good), just the skills
It's just one of those things where I'd say, it totally depends on the sources, because if they aren't properly compressed and EQ'd going in, one can forget about this approach pretty quickly haha
Nice videos, good job. I'd be nice if you talk in a video about your path to choosing to work with Cubase, I think it would be interesting to many people. Probably unusual in your click but I totally get it as I'm a happy Cubase user myself
That was my first question too.. I've always understood top down mixing to be where you apply a bunch of mix bus stuff first and then start mixing everything else. First time I've heard that you don't touch anything else..
@Krisskruus that was my understanding too, like you mix into deliberately staged settings like a low freq boost and top end sheen, as well as mastering processes. And then that adjusts the way you perceive the mix from the start kinda thing...
didn't know Joel was against this... as far as I know he mixes/masters with the master bus processing already in, but of course using way more plugins on the individual channels and way more sends and FX... or I'm wrong Joel?
Joel! Love the vids, been following you for some years now. I know this isn't related to the topic, but I'm building a pc since my 10yr old one decided to die out on me recently. Mind sharing your pc specs? CPU, motherboard, ram, as much as you can?
Essentials for PC is a good CPU, more than 4 cores, so 8 or at least 6 would be decent, more is better. At least 16 Gigs of Ram, more is also better. A good power supply but the Wattage amount would depend of the other components. The other components are where you could go for more budget options, but be sure to choose a motherboard that would have enough inputs for your audio gear that you have. Or if you want to future proof it. Depending on your workflow I would also recommend any Mac or Macbook even the 13” post M1 generation. Pricey but incredible and compact.
@@joelwanasekurm Cheers Joel. Gonna give that EQ a shot when I've got the funds. Is it based on unique hardware of theirs, or did they emulate an older analogue EQ?
Dangerous sport this mixing technique. Especially if you are at the beginning with your mixing knowledge. Mixing with such aggressive mix bus processing can lead you to doing too much and not enough at the same time. For example, if you limit everything and you have to drive your kick harder, you might need to go way harder that you would normally do just because the mix bus processing is squashing everything. It could work if you know what you are doing, but still can't see the benefits honestly. Oh, one more thing, your mix bus chain makes everything louder. Louder is always perceived as sounding better. If you really want to hear what your mix bus is doing, level match it to before the processing. Advice for beginners: individual processing is done on individual tracks, not on the mix bus. Mix bus is always the last step before mastering.
Very good, well done. Now do it bottom up, DON'T put anything on the mixbus until you've got the best mix you can without it. Then add any mixbus processing you think the track needs. Now do another video allowing us to hear the two results. Then we can all critique the results. I haven't seen anybody who advocates 'top down' do this and yet it's the only way of coming to an educated view on which way sounds best. We know top down is quicker but that's totally irrelevant. It's the sound that matters. Surely? 🤔
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Love these 30 minute series, the track came together real quick. Helps a lot that it sounds like it was tracked really really well too
This is the song that I gravitated towards when I joined Portflio Builder.
Had some fun with this over the course of half a day's work in total over 3 days.
Looking forward to see the video on why you don’t like top down mixing. In the Will Putney NTM, he says that he doesn’t like it because everything ends up sounding the same
LOL!! you're in luck
Great tutorial, it definitely does not hurt the recording itself was so good to begin with! I don’t have this type separation and clarity where I record, not a great room though so I’m sure that doesn’t help! I’ll be trying some of this out for sure, 👌🏻 great stuff
Not just the recording, the arrangement is well done and that helps so much!
This was a cool little mix, man. I'm curious as to why you stopped using top down and why you're against it now. Hope to see more videos like this on your channel.
I’ll make a video about it. Too much to explain in a comment.
Wonderful video Joel! Learning much from this one. Thank you so much! Please do more of these.
Inspiring seeing how good you made the depth (and song in general) with clip + 2b. And you don't need finicky (or any lmao) plugin moves on individual tracks to get it to there (that base level of good), just the skills
This is super cool demonstration of the concept.
Thank you!
It's just one of those things where I'd say, it totally depends on the sources, because if they aren't properly compressed and EQ'd going in, one can forget about this approach pretty quickly haha
Clip gain is a lost art.. brilliant ear bro!
Awesome video! Quick but useful and informative! Saw it just in time to get that Michelangelo EQ plugin on the last day of the sale!
Love that plugin. It’s sick.
Nice videos, good job. I'd be nice if you talk in a video about your path to choosing to work with Cubase, I think it would be interesting to many people. Probably unusual in your click but I totally get it as I'm a happy Cubase user myself
Still blows my mind that this is all happening on ns10s. There’s so much low end information.
I’m actually mixing on Amphion one 18s. My 10s are on the floor. Need to hook ‘em up! Thanks for the reminder.
open topdown to the master is the way, pushing the bulls through the gate lol
Okay so if your not allowed to eq and compress and such is nolly doing like hybrid mixing?
That was my first question too.. I've always understood top down mixing to be where you apply a bunch of mix bus stuff first and then start mixing everything else. First time I've heard that you don't touch anything else..
@Krisskruus that was my understanding too, like you mix into deliberately staged settings like a low freq boost and top end sheen, as well as mastering processes. And then that adjusts the way you perceive the mix from the start kinda thing...
Yeah I can't imagine someone really commercially mixing only using the mix bus and faders 😅.
Thank you for this demo. Really awesome. I am curious why you chose to top down when you are currently against it though.
Because a lot of people love it. It’s a very valid mixing technique that works for many people.
didn't know Joel was against this... as far as I know he mixes/masters with the master bus processing already in, but of course using way more plugins on the individual channels and way more sends and FX... or I'm wrong Joel?
I do top down mixing all the time!
It’s great!
Joel! Love the vids, been following you for some years now. I know this isn't related to the topic, but I'm building a pc since my 10yr old one decided to die out on me recently. Mind sharing your pc specs? CPU, motherboard, ram, as much as you can?
I don’t know much about pc specs.
Essentials for PC is a good CPU, more than 4 cores, so 8 or at least 6 would be decent, more is better.
At least 16 Gigs of Ram, more is also better.
A good power supply but the Wattage amount would depend of the other components.
The other components are where you could go for more budget options, but be sure to choose a motherboard that would have enough inputs for your audio gear that you have. Or if you want to future proof it.
Depending on your workflow I would also recommend any Mac or Macbook even the 13” post M1 generation. Pricey but incredible and compact.
@@MartinNephilim Thanks dude
Another wonderful video Joel and that Michelangelo EQ is something else. Thanks for sharing 🤘🤘
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@joelwanasekurm Cheers Joel. Gonna give that EQ a shot when I've got the funds. Is it based on unique hardware of theirs, or did they emulate an older analogue EQ?
what song is this? quite diggin it
Rival - Odds. You can get the files at nailthemix.com in portfolio builder
Cubase is great!
Best daw imo
Reaper is greater!
Dangerous sport this mixing technique. Especially if you are at the beginning with your mixing knowledge. Mixing with such aggressive mix bus processing can lead you to doing too much and not enough at the same time. For example, if you limit everything and you have to drive your kick harder, you might need to go way harder that you would normally do just because the mix bus processing is squashing everything. It could work if you know what you are doing, but still can't see the benefits honestly. Oh, one more thing, your mix bus chain makes everything louder. Louder is always perceived as sounding better. If you really want to hear what your mix bus is doing, level match it to before the processing. Advice for beginners: individual processing is done on individual tracks, not on the mix bus. Mix bus is always the last step before mastering.
Very good, well done. Now do it bottom up, DON'T put anything on the mixbus until you've got the best mix you can without it. Then add any mixbus processing you think the track needs. Now do another video allowing us to hear the two results. Then we can all critique the results. I haven't seen anybody who advocates 'top down' do this and yet it's the only way of coming to an educated view on which way sounds best. We know top down is quicker but that's totally irrelevant. It's the sound that matters. Surely? 🤔