Color Filters for Black & White Photography ► Bringing Back the Old Basics (PLUS: Contest Info)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.พ. 2018
- Black and White used to dominate the photography world back in the days of film and darkrooms. These days, we can switch back and forth between the settings, but are you getting the most out of your B&W shots? You might want to take a look at what these B&W color filters from K&F Concept could do.
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Using optical color filters with monochorme FILM is quite legitimate, but there can be a problem using optical filters with digital that you didn't investigate. That is, the digital sensor consists of a color mosaic with green having half the total pixels and red and blue each having one quarter the total pixels. Therefore, if you use a deep blue or red optical filter, your resolution is reduced by a factor of two in each direction. If you use a digital camera without an optical filter, the demosaicing algorithm mixes the detail of all three channels into the others. You then have (nearly) full detail in any color you choose, and you can make that choice by using Photoshop math calculations to select (fort example) pure red; or orange consisting of full red and and some green; or yellow (red + green); or pure blue and still have full details in all these cases.
Pinned :-)
I was JUST gonna say that ;) That's true though. Camera companies know that you the consumer are going to value photographs of people and landscapes and water much more than, say, dirt. So they tune their sensors for your satisfaction. Pure black and white requires monochrome film.
Interesting how satellite imagery is just fancy photography. The sensors on satellites are designed to render information in different bands, and you can combine them in a special program to create a color image, usually just for educational purposes. The real cool and useful satellite images are black and white in very specific wave lenghts.
I bet you could learn remote sensing in an afternoon with your existing photography knowledge. Btw, it pays well 👀
your vibe is sooooo daaaaaaamn positive
keep goin' boss
haha thanks mate
Great video. Thank you
I learned a lot from this. Thank you!!
Finally, someone that speaks at a reasonable speed.
Haha people usually complain I speak too fast! 😂
Thanks for the great educational video, I have a Fuji X-T2 and use Acros with good results, you have prompted me to use my colour Rolleicord filters with Fujifilm Acros 120 film this weekend for the first time.
What do you think about these color filters? If you grab a set, join in on the photo contest for a chance to win the camera bag.
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I really liked this video, thank you!
YOU ARE AWESOME!!!! ONE OF THE BEST TUTORIALS I HAVE EVER SEEN
Thank you! I have a ton of videos here… enjoy!
THANKS MAN!!! I SURE WILL
thanks for a great video :-) just bought an old Topcon film camera and was stoked to find all the color filters go on the "inside" of the lenses and are just tiny (1/3" or so) all of them fit inside the lens holder. looking forward to try them out. Thanks again for a very informative 30 minutes.
Hello Joseph, I just found your excellent, attention holding, best explained tutorial on the use of color filters for B&W photography! Although I use a Fujifilm X-T1, a mirror-less camera, which has film simulation modes, I want to see if using color filters will make a difference. Thank you for your expertise and examples! This was the best video on using color filters I have seen. I look forward to using some of your tips!
Best comment ever :-) Thank you!
Great topic and well explained, thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Great Livestream!
Interesting video. For us Filmophiles it might be a good idea to take along a small digicam that has manual white balance and B&W display capability to test the effects on a particular scene before shooting the real deal.
Dude, this is 100% the best tutorial I have seen on the topic. I just bought a Q2 Monochrom to mess with -- along side my Sony A7RIII when I go on my travels around the world (assuming we don't have viruses). I have never used a color filter in my life so this is all new. My guess is the color slider in Lightroom is similar -- but I think I might take a red and orange filter for bright days with clouds and try that game... Likely toss them in a while -- but always good to learn more in order to understand my tool better... Thanks... Love your communications skills.
hey great video! Have ever though of just doing HDR to get wider dynamic range? WIth digital camera this is very vial alternative.
Another way to "cheat" is to use Nik Collection Silver Efex Pro 2 plug in for lightroom / photoshop. It has a color filter option that shows what an image looks like with the different filters applied. Still, playing with the real filters could be fun.
Also, I believe the color temperature of the ambient light will have an impact on the results, so if you were to shoot a person in sunlight, the yellow/orange would have a bigger impact than it did in studio as the light is reflecting off of the skin, and you may be filtering more or less of it depending on the filter.
Yeah the Nik filters are still the best software for B&W, IMHO. And interesting point about sunlight and white balance!
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Thanks Joseph. You’ve inspired me to experiment 👍👍
Awesome!
Dizzying watching speaker hand shuffles, a fast speaker fast active body gestures just fast. I wonder how he approach long exposure, the calm settling mood. Reminds me of a Las Vegas card dealer hand work
Great video, very informative. Thank you :-)
Thanks! This was a fun one
Fantastic , thank you, I got a lot of what I need!!!
Red was definitely the most dramatic in both examples
There is also the particular issue where using an rggb sensor might make a pure red or blue filter cause a loss of perceived resolution because it's only really activating 25% of the pixels.
Very informative and i liked it..
+ 1 new subscriber here...
what book is best the have for explaining Lightroom ?
Which app is that on the tablet where you swapped the filters on your face?
Nice tutorial. What are the stops of the different colors?
You would think I’m crazy but I can record in rainbow colors videos make a picture of the lake n trees rainbow colors in still or video, I can at certain light situations record with an iPhone a 2 tons shadow trees. I can do blue red yellow green turquoise purple orange. The outfit I have I had to make myself out of party trays and plates from party city and I cut them out. I use a reduced light and Noir setting to get vivid sky photography cirrus clouds do best. Another color idea for I phone crazy color recordings is get some color cellophane red purple etc and tape a piece over your iPhone camera and record. I admit I did it literally all homestyle. I don’t care about views or subs but just if curious there is much of it on my channel. Photography is a fun hobby and I learned more about black n white from this thanks for the additional info I will take some color vids and experiment with black n white thank you.
Is there a filter set for B&W that works with the K&F Concept 100 x 100 filter holder?
I think one advantage example of how shooting b/w WITH the coloured glass filter vs adding a filter in software is that you don't get the halo effects around certain object such as tree branches which can really spoil the clarity and detail of an image. This mostly happens with large software modifications. Perhaps the best compromise is to not use an actual filter and post process gently for clarity AND the choice of filters in post production. The best quality though would be gained with a glass filter, especially if you have time to shoot multiple shots, changing the filter colour each time as you did.
I think the yellow looked best on the face for a SUBTLE skin smoothing (orange looked too hazy), and the blue or green for a GRITTY look if one is into that!
Cheers for tackling a tricky subject to explain, and your time.
Thanks Kevin. I don’t think you should get haloing from adding color filters in software; you’d have to go pretty far to do that. But it’s still a good observation. I’m a fan of doing things in camera when possible!
Increased resolution will reduce the effect.
wow you look like Bowie!
Honestly, I kind of like the way the colored pictures look like just a filter it gives a need affect
hi Joseph, thank you for the video. I am using Lumix G9. I think I still have a couple of questions to ask.
1- monocraom is "natural" B&W?
2- Color and monochrome should not be in the same body? Pure monochrome is better when it comes to B&W photography because of color interpolation?
3- Is there color interpolation with Lumix G9 when taking in B&W?
Comment: Unfortunately many camera companies are driven by money and populistic policy. They don't want to understand photography as an art form. they put everything in one body, color monochrome, video, and photography.
As far as I know, only Leica is aware of that subject, and Leica is not a technology-leading company and is unreasonably expensive.
Maybe we should encourage HASSELBLAD to create a monochrome line in medium format.
thanks.
Have you done any videos on ND Filters? I just looked through your list and nothing jumped out.
I haven’t. I collected a bunch of names a while ago to do a roundup. Need to actually produce that.
Monochrome portraits would have more enhancement of shadows with which color filter?
Hm, don’t use the filter to enhance shadows on skin. Use them to enhance the skin itself. So, orange and yellow will brighten skin (same color filter brightens that color)
Hey Joseph, could you watch the YKTS music video by Sheck Wes. And tell me if they used a green filter or night-vision mode from a camcorder. I really like the the style of the video, and would like to know what they used thanks. ✨
Some of it is green lighting, and some of it is Infrared camera, and some of it is just color grading. I doubt any of it is a green filter.
Yellow is best
Actually the blue was the best
Link to the step down rings? Didn't see it above (or I'm just really unobservant 😛).
Oops! Here you go: geni.us/DB23TG
How does stepping down large filters affect flaring etc?
Should not have any effect. Distance between layers of glass won’t matter as long as light isn’t getting through.
Can filters work on digital camera or dose thr electronic camera settings just work around the filters on the sdr camera !
Did you watch the video? It answers that question pretty definitively
@@photojoseph I'll go back and watch it again. It's hard to say what I was doing. meds for a injury .
Thank getting back to me.
is there supposed to be a big difference with colored filters? when you also have that black and white filter on it too?
Differences are subtle and localized to individual colors
Hey Joseph sorry I’ve been gone so long.... been a little under the weather
Sorry to hear that and hope you’re feeling better!
try>set profile to monochrome>jpeg>use filter
yes… but you have missed the point of this exercise.
There's an issue here in using color filters with digital cameras (oldtvnut mentioned it too): the fact that we already have color filters on the censor. What happens when you use a color filter is that you're practically disabling or reducing the effectiveness of photodiodes that have certain colors. The problem is that those diodes won't be used for other colors, and you're losing some data without gaining anything else. This is different from film photography, where you can use the same potential for brightness of any color, and increase your "resolution" or dynamic range by using the color filters on the camera instead of in the darkroom.
There's just one small advantage that you get by using color filters on a digital camera: if the "histogram" of the scene is not similar for different colors, by using a color filter you can see the output and set a more precise exposure to capture a wider range, compared to when you expose the photo for all colors. This is not significant though; I never got a noticeable difference. And in fact, if you're really serious, you can temporarily add the filter, set the exposure, remove it, and then shoot in color, to have the best possible result in post.
So, in general, in a color camera, I believe it's best to capture the image in color and apply the filters in post, because you have more control, and you also have more flexibility (using masks and applying different settings to different parts of the image).
I've had a real monochrome digital camera for a while, and that's when you can really use color filters. However, even with this, the result that you can get is not as significant as you get in post with a color image, because in post, you can also apply negative values to a color and get a bigger effect, which is obviously not possible with a monochrome camera that uses color filters.
Thank you for the additional insight. It really is interesting. We’re all learning!
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I'm currently trying to create black and white filter glasses. I can't get it to work though. Any Ideas?
I don’t know what you mean by that. Eyeglasses that remove all chroma?
@@photojoseph Yes. Eye glasses that remove all chroma.
Interesting. I don’t know that that’s possible. There are eyeglasses on Amazon that remove color but still have a tint - a red filter will do that. But to go B&W? No idea.
@@photojoseph Ok, I'm gonna look into it. Thank you.
Don’t buy cheap filters. They may not screw on and off easily.
RS. Canada
dude what about the buit in filters in camera?
The point of this was to learn
Erm... Did my message about tilt adapter got deleted or just lost?
Must have gotten deleted… I saw it pop up in my notifications but when I tapped it it was gone. It's not in spam or review. Post again please?
Re-posted.
It disappeared again! :O
Anyway, using tilt movements in video might be a good topic for a show. :)
That could be fun. I wonder why your post keeps disappearing? So weird.
who won the contest? I am assuming its over.
Yes a long time ago. It was announced in another show shortly after.
Do you think the contest is still open?
Check the date my friend… this was years ago.
@@photojoseph sad news
Where tf is the purple filter
Red and blue make purple?
Shoot some Kodak or Ilford classic film in medium format and forget about imitations of film and that beautiful film grain. I don't think it's worth using color filters on my digicams.
i dont like orange and red as they remove all the details on the skin, as if the face been photoshopped... the blue actually looks ok to me...
Different colors for different subjects!
TH-cam auto play landed me on this speaker. Big turn off this guy talk so fast
Please condense your endless blah blah blah
I do love reading heartfelt, kind comments. Thank you for sharing your thoughtful insight in such s polite and respectful way. It’s a good thing that there aren’t real people making these videos for you. We’re all just robots.
Get to the point
you should have adjusted the exposure to be the same between images, i think that makes the whole difference as to the clouds appearing or not there. the red filter image is 2 stops under the first one, which is actually a little overexposed. thumbs down
shame about the patreon begging...put me RIGHT off !
I’m sorry that people wanting to make a living is offensive to you. I guess you work for free and are independently wealthy? Must be nice!