Bro i was deadass just thinking about this shit, I'm like "drip still aint posted that Goku above time video yet?", Dawg i was just about to sleep too. 😂
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Man, you finally answer my questions, but not only that! You make this awsome video to do job! You're just full of surprises you know that!! Great job man 😎👍✨
I can already tell downplayers are gonna straight up ignore this evidence and still say that DB characters aren’t ftl. Some Saitama fanboy on TikTok downplayed Goku to galaxy level, even Beerus to Solar system level and outright said Goku can barely destroy a planet. xenoeditsstuff is his name btw
@@SlickJarl. Their clash was capable of destroying the entire macrocasm that is filled with higher dimensional infinite sized realms, one of those realms for exact having no concept of space or time. Get out of here buddy
Instant transmission is enough to explain it , its 0 time travel which makes the user moves befor that the time flows = transcending time = faster than time = immeasurable speed as well , also its stated in cooler movie that instant transmission transcends time shown in goku vs cooler fight while they were moving faster than time by their instant transmissions , even befor that goku gets ssj2., for these peopl who says movie isn't cannon so this statement doesn't matter : why then this statement exists ? + toriyama said befor that db doesn't have hyperboles except in the moments like ''im the strongest in the unverse'' and stuff like it which has nothing to do with scaling. Yes , their is immeasurable speeds befor buu saga. W video my drippy !
he can move inside instant transmission zone giving him irrelevant speed, backed by tournament power scan where it says goku has super dimensional speed, using cho jigen scan meaning he irrelevant speed by default
@@heyitsWAP7_YTB Parallel timelines supermen are definitely not strong as main timeline. Only few are but most of the parallel supermen are way weaker than the main timeline superman and it's already proved in comics
In the manga didnt goku say granola was faster than instant transmission? I feel like thats enough said lmao, especially if you know about the instant transmission realm.
That's what im thinking too , with instant transmission you can teleport when the time didn't flow yet. = faster than time = transcending time = immeasurable speed as well.
Yeah, the downplay is real. Among Sonic fans there’s people arguing that no character in dragon ball is above Universal+, underestimating the verse, and mischaracterizing Goku’s feats, but then proceed to wank the hell out of Sonic by misreading guidebooks or exaggerating certain feats.
Hell nah he ain't beating Buddha Sun wukong Lord shiva Amazo Superboy prime Superman CAS Any cartoon characters Saitama terra 3 Beerus Whis Grand priest Flash
@@KAZ_Editz1 he's not beating Buddha His not beating wukong since his now reached Nirvana Isn't Lord Shiva India religion Amazo can just adapt to Goku Super boy prime has actually destroyed reality unlike Goku Any one with common sense knows Superman is doging Goku but he won't completely kill him because his a nice person CAS is not and he'll just blink Goku out of existence Ben10 Bugs bunny Heck any character with toon force destroys him Don't know much about teera 3 but regular Saitama is enough Goku can't beat beerus Or whis Or the Grand priest Because he couldn't even beat beerus And who's and the grand priest are stronger than beerus
Pity that people are now treating the super dimension of gogeta and broly broke into is now just 5d as a highball. While the afterlife is 5d since it transcends space and time.
The only Outer argument is just the concept of death, blah blah blah, and the reason being Solo Leveling is mainly glazed over by kids, hence the uncanny popularity despite the generic-ass plot. Just ignore them, noone takes them seriously, and I MEAN IT LITERALLY. After the anime dropped, literally NO ONE takes them seriously, not even a part of themselves.
Goku battle with beerus tells us alot how powerful they were back with their punches be able to effect infinite size realm and threaten over 100 universes
Hi drip, I was thinking after dragon ball sparking zero was announced that the new system of choices (the what-ifs) would be proof that there are branches in Db where each choice can generate a new parallel world since it is possible to change the canon events in sparking zero and from the moment this happens a new branch would already be created.
CAP, Zeno does have 4D+ existence but it's not physically possible to show it How, lemme show you Now we take a look at the Universes in db with each of them being Infinite and each of them being surrounded by a neutral zone which is an infinite black space around the universe so by definition the db Universe is infinite no matter wat u scale it to whether 3D or Outerversal So if Zeno can exit his mansion and look at the INFINITE UNIVERSES as FINITE BUBBLES that would grant Zeno and anyone that exists in that plane of existence higher lvl of existence So db characters have higher dimensional Existence but that's dependent upon where they are for example if they're in the mortal Universe their existence is limited to 3D, in Zeno palace it's higher jus like infinite Zamasu who's existence was across timelines by removing their shells will show you an infinite existence Icl half of was me jus rambling but it sounded liekf facts cuz it has partial evidence 😂
I would like to clarify something simple. There are rules placed on the assistants to prevent them from using their power. The evidence for that is when Miros used his true power, it was erased by the Dashinkan. This applies to the rest of the assistant characters. They do not use their full two speeds. This is not stupidity in the plot, but as usual, the Video is legendary.
Hey drip amazing video A question ,what are your thoughts on the argument that claim that goku and jiren aren’t above time because they were pressed by the time limiter of the top and and had to finish they fight before the time expire or the fact that with their speed the tournament should have ended instantly?
@@drip_sauce7967 That part obliviously, just I remember a part of Belmont saying to jiren to hurry up cause the time limit was expiring,(and maybe I’m just miss remembering)
There’s thousands upon thousands that can beat goku. Some well known, some not well known. Azathoth is an example of one (even though a dreamer is already blatantly overkill)
@@drip_sauce7967 Goku meatriders thinks that Goku can beat Moonad the strongest fiction character and saying he transcends time, bc he is faster than Hit, Hit's ability works very bad on someone who is stronger than him or has the same strength as him, IT is only infinite speed, bc it easily gets to every place in second but not faster than time, watch scaling of Salad Saiyan about hax in db, Six and goji-chronic that normally scales Goku, so you can scale normally, bc with you're arguments i can scale even dirt above time
Plus a question when will the video be released that exposes all the arguments regarding Dragon Ball Heroes, such as the blood relationship between Goku and the real world hero and the similarity between them to Ki and the limited time store in the timelines and the inability of XENO GOKU Super Saiyan 4 limit breaker or Demigra and other characters not being able to destroy all the timelines and other such stupid arguments when will the response to all these stupid Arguments Plus the video is as usual legendary and more than legendary, and it's better to call it the video limit breaker
@@drip_sauce7967 Thank you for your information I personally think it's unfair to say a single character is stronger than all of fiction and I'm glad you can understand. I used to hate you as I thought you overrated Goku but now after watching your vids I'm happy to be a subscriber so kudos ✌️
Logical Implications of Physical actions on outerversal Realms?? I mean What is that cause which is causing these Implications to effect the realm in question Like is there a seperate thing, which is taking into the consideration the changes , made within physical world , analysing the logical implucation, and then causing the immediate Splitting or creating a seperate reflection of that Non physical realm in that seperate timeline?? Last time Axility, said that PLOT in itself, acts as a Driving cause behind this, and makes it happen..do you Think thus requires some External Validation
@@wcom9999 I am asking is there a supervising force behind these splitting which is connecting the action of the physical world/their implications with the Outerversal realm , so that these logical implications will trigger the splitting thing Like for Say God or Platonic Concept of Good is an Omnipresent metaphysical concept present everywhere by being the fundamental cause of all that exists. So The Platonic concept over here is responsible for the existence of all things in the physical and Non physical world, ( i.e that actions and implications) it is also responsible for the existence of all things in Outerversal realm too An Outerversal realm in general is Qualitatively superior to anything that is physical, so anything in physical realm should be meaningless to it. But in my example the Platonic concept in question, makes These Logical Implications of Actions within Physical realm , to map onto the Outerversal realm, and trigger the Splitting of the Outerversal into a Parallel counter parts. Thus in this way Platonic Concept acts a driving force , which being universally present and being foundational cause of everything , Controls everything forcing the logical implications to work on an Outerversal realm despite it's nature of Transcendence. It's Like an ultimate controller , who is causing the splitting and by enforcing , the implications, in a superior way. Without Causing Contradictions. In this way it is keeping two Conceptually superior and inferior realms connected without actually contradicting their nature. Since the logical Implications are not enforced by The physical realm on the Outerversal realm, but by the Platonic concept on the Outerversal realm Kind of like how God Almighty, notices a significant change in the Mortal world and keeping the logical Implications in mind, USES HIS SUPERIOR METAPHYSICAL POWER AND AUTHORITY to cause the splitting the heavens and creating a Parallel world. In this way The Mortal world is not forcing the Heaven to split because of itself, but it is GOD Almighty which us exercising it's power to cause the splitting of the heavens , because of the logical implications In this way two Realms Do not conflict or Contradict each other I am asking , that what Thing in Dragon ball is doing the work of ALMIGHTY God like in my example Axility told me it is the metaphysical notion of the PLOT which is acting as an authority by Forcing the Logical implications on the Outerversal realm.
@@wcom9999 I am thinking of this as well, but I suppose we need Some external validation from within the Franchise. Like Treating these realms as actual independent stories within the plot as a hole, a more concrete evidence and better constructive argument
Something I will always give credit to Goku is speed. He’s like so obviously faster than time it’s insane. Even if you don’t think he’s stronger, in most debates, he’s probably faster.
You have to transcend Space to Transcend time... There is no other way! Without one the other loses *value* ,if you manipulate one you manipulate the Other and When you transcend one you transcend the Other
Goku doesn’t have infinite speed nor does he have immeasurable speed As Theoretically, anyone moving at immeasurable & infinite speed would simultaneously occupy every point in time and space. E.g The speed force (which exists in higher dimensional spaces & realm with no forms or physicality ) and the flash outran it hence above immeasurable & infinite speeds Also outrunning an omnipresent constant ie deaths avatar & stepping outside kinetic motion itself hence irrelevant speeds So again. Goku does not have immeasurable speed
And yours is not an argument ,you didn’t provide any point on how goku doesn’t have infinite or immeasurable speed,you just stated a “theory”and a bunch of doubtfully flash feat (Higher dimensional spaces don’t grant immeasurable speed )
Even by this theory, Flash was still not in every point in time and space. And he technically didn’t outrun death. Death was reaching him. He simply stepped outside the end times, which stopped the Death Racer ( as he reached a time where life doesn’t exist. ) But had the race continued, Death would have taken him. And this is the first time I hear about him “stepping outside Kinetic Motion itself” whatever that means. Can you elaborate?
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko stepping outside motion it’s. Because he step outside all of physics, time, space & story itself he literally looked at all of eternity & almost destroyed it if he wasn’t in stasis. Again try reading, rather than hearing mfs use points you know nothing off.
@@Smokeychees yeh I mention those feats as the basis of what goku can not reach. Because he has no feats on said level Neither has he been hinted to have such travel or reaction speed. Who said higher D space grants immeasurable speed.
@@IbnJaae My guy, since when stepping outside of time ( and therefore physics ) is the same as being at all points in time at once? Goku stepped in the absolute nothing in Super. And yet could still move and breathe. Does that mean he was in all points in time at once? Also, I literally asked you to elaborate because I’m not aware of what specific comic issue you’re talking about nor the context of it all. So, the latter part is unnecessary extra.
@@Peunitsu It does since that means the idea still applies study platonism a true concept can't be changed its always existing and Goku hasn't affected such
Goku still gets speed blitzed all the time. He can't travel through time. People really love to hype up goku just cause they can't admit he isn't all powerful.
@@drip_sauce7967 clearly you aren't willing to debate because you didn't have an argument with your comments just insults. The true sign of a Goku fanboy I guess.
@@mahmoodal-rashdi7417 why would you say “without ki control” ?? Are you stupid or something? Thats like saying “without supermans powers” “without flash speed” like are you dumb or something? Is there something wrong with your brain ?
@@mahmoodal-rashdi7417 nobody is hiding, i already told you what ki control is, goku wasn’t focusing his ki at all because he already had freiza on the ground, it doesn’t matter what form you’re in, if you’re not focusing your ki on defense then you’re vulnerable, whis literally said this, i dont understand you stupid db haters that can’t fucking read the manga Whis verbatim said it in the same episode/ chapter, in both anime and manga, Ssj goku tanked a death beam from freiza to the face way back in namek, how does it make any sense for him to be below laser level from a much weaker laser , like are you slow or something? He’s obviously not focusing his ki, which is why when he was sleeping krillin hurt him with a rock In a vs battle the event of goku being off guard is impossible, because he would be focusing his ki at all times , now don’t bug me again, cus i wont bother reading whatever stupid response you have
Huh? Time travel with raw speed is literally the definition of immeasurable speed according to everyone. Transcending time in existence is an ability, an ability that grants you immeasurable speed by default. The reason it's called immeasurable is because it cannot be quantified. Moving faster than light (superluminal speed) requires beyond infinite energy and is a property reserved mostly for hypothetical particles that we haven't observed. Of course, in power scaling, infinite speed and light speed are generally not synonymous which is fine for certain arguments, you just need to bump up the numbers and change some wording in the speed definitions to accommodate for the difference in logic Infinite speed- moving infinite distance in finite time, which technically requires a supertask to accomplish. Still, it happens enough to have it's own definition in power scaling. Inaccessible speed- instantaneous movement, moving finite distance with no time in-between (teleportation abilities and other hax can allow this, but remember, those aren't applicable to the character's default speed. And then, immeasurable speed- Moving faster than infinitely fast to travel backwards in time (and forward). Because it's beyond infinite, it cannot be measured, at least under the logic used in power scaling where light ≠ infinite speed.
@@KuroTheUnstoppableYTBecause it actually isn't , DB hater's are slow AF and I swear that on my life, DB hater's and downplayers slowness is boundless. Immuesurble speed is speed that can't be measured or speed faster than the flow of time not traveling back in time, just tell me : How is traveling back in time immuesurble speed ? It's literally Hax.
@@Mikato-Shiba you're in the minority lol, my definition is the one everybody uses. I guess dragon ball fans can't even agree to use certain definitions
@@drip_sauce7967what's your style of debate? Cause I don't accept anything but formal debates either with preparation before talking in a VC or texting each other so I have time to actually go grab the evidence I use between messages
@@KuroTheUnstoppableYT watch the video with an open mind before asking me stupid questions, there’s a fucking video for a reason, i wont be responding to you anymore nga
@@jaredcarpenter9973 on the contrary i read every comic i can get my hands on, as an artist, ive been a dc fan longer than youve been alive, so don’t try shit, debate me right now on discord
“Just because you neeed a Time Machine to travel through time doesn’t mean you aren’t immeasurable speed” Damn the dullards just keep getting worse 😹 How tf do you have immeasurable speed if you neeed time mechs to travel time🤦🏽♂️ that’s the whole point of it being speed
Low multiversal mftl+ at best the entire argument for goku being higher has been debunked before you ain't the first nor will you be the last its honestly just embarrassing watching goku fans truly think he gets past mftl+ 😂 goku fans creating their own happiness 😂
I debunked Dragon ball cosmology by the fact it only has a type 1 multiverse at max which is something that contains infinite amounts of possible spaces that work in the same physical laws because the universes are never said to have it own model of all of the entirety of space, time, matter, energy, and information, that has different physical laws and dimensions in Dragon ball doesn’t talk about mathematical dimensions that has it own extra special vectors axis beyond space so there only 1 temporal dimension which means it doesn’t even have a type 2 multiverse that contains post-inflation embryonic bubbles of type 1 multiverses and bubble exist outside the time and space of our own. They would have different laws of physics and constants and all of these universes would be their own unique bubble.
@@909mcronald I would say it scale to multiversal+ to low complex Multiversal because there are multiple timelines that has it own history of the Dragon ball world that follows it own physical laws that works in a historical multiversal You should see a video called Every Multiverse Theory Explained in 13 Minute it give information about how a multiverse can work in a fictional story.
Bro i was deadass just thinking about this shit, I'm like "drip still aint posted that Goku above time video yet?", Dawg i was just about to sleep too. 😂
Lucky u 😂
@@drip_sauce7967 goated vid as always btw. 🙏🏾
@@Son_DragneelIdk why, but this is very confusing
@@drip_sauce7967 bro how powerful is sentry
@@VCXEditor I'm confused as to why you're confused and not knowing why you're confused. 💀
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Man, you finally answer my questions, but not only that! You make this awsome video to do job!
You're just full of surprises you know that!! Great job man 😎👍✨
I can already tell downplayers are gonna straight up ignore this evidence and still say that DB characters aren’t ftl. Some Saitama fanboy on TikTok downplayed Goku to galaxy level, even Beerus to Solar system level and outright said Goku can barely destroy a planet.
xenoeditsstuff is his name btw
@@ALX654 atleast better than saying namek goku is only large planetry even with ssj
Goku in his strongest form PUI is multiversal
Goku’s already destroyed a star with beerus
@@GOAT-ganyu complex multiversal (outerversal depending how you scale afterlife), and irrelevant speed
@@SlickJarl. Their clash was capable of destroying the entire macrocasm that is filled with higher dimensional infinite sized realms, one of those realms for exact having no concept of space or time. Get out of here buddy
Been preaching high outer Goku. Drip never fails to tickle my insides and make me giggle.
Refraze that bro
Pause 💀
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Ayo pause bruh😭
Pls refraze that 😂. Bro I'm scared 😰.
"b-b-but hyperbole 😭😭😭"
Marcarita literally said that Jiren's power transcends time and we're still having this debate 💀
Emotional Down players
Power=speed in DB. It’s explained by vegeta during the freeza saga in the manga
Been waiting for this 🔥🔥🔥
Did you watch ssj1ryu's latest vid? He indirectly postulated that goku and Vegeta >>>>>>>>All of Marvel
Ill watch it
No he said Fortnite Goku and vegeta
@joshuameraz2826 huh?💀
Instant transmission is enough to explain it , its 0 time travel which makes the user moves befor that the time flows = transcending time = faster than time = immeasurable speed as well , also its stated in cooler movie that instant transmission transcends time shown in goku vs cooler fight while they were moving faster than time by their instant transmissions , even befor that goku gets ssj2., for these peopl who says movie isn't cannon so this statement doesn't matter : why then this statement exists ? + toriyama said befor that db doesn't have hyperboles except in the moments like ''im the strongest in the unverse'' and stuff like it which has nothing to do with scaling. Yes , their is immeasurable speeds befor buu saga. W video my drippy !
IT is inaccessible speed, not immeasurable
Reading this made my eyes hurt
he can move inside instant transmission zone giving him irrelevant speed, backed by tournament power scan where it says goku has super dimensional speed, using cho jigen scan meaning he irrelevant speed by default
moving back in time with speed isnt as fast as immeasurable speed, but still technically faster than inacessible/infinite speed potentially
Man you just made a debunk and a scaling at the same time😅You made it good and satisfying and im glad you did your best on this one
Yo drip you are at 4.9k subs. allmost geting to 5k. Goku solos, cry downplayers😊
Now tell me do you think time could hold the one who is the hope of the universe?(not cold😔)
Superman also got knocked out by Godzilla
Parallel timeline superman got knocked out by amped zilla lol
Try reading the comic megamind
That's a non canon but is strong as comic mainline version of supes so godzilla technically above time
@@heyitsWAP7_YTB Parallel timelines supermen are definitely not strong as main timeline. Only few are but most of the parallel supermen are way weaker than the main timeline superman and it's already proved in comics
@@fictionislove the superman was parallel timelines but is strong as mainline supes that creator confirmed
zawg i can’t believe this is still a debate
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@Drip_sauce would you ever do a video scaling natsu or other fary tail characters?
@@DfR464 if money
@@drip_sauce7967 sry i don't have money bro😀💚💚🙏
Bu.. but goku moves 👆🤓
"Does goku move?" 🤡
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Yessir
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For God's sake, who asked
Yessir!
No he doesn't
Yet people still think Gojo beats Goku?
The best argument is that I said so, so he is
Im watching and you're cooking
I've been waiting for this video for a long time, always w drip
In the manga didnt goku say granola was faster than instant transmission? I feel like thats enough said lmao, especially if you know about the instant transmission realm.
In Z, Kid Buu was also able to move faster than Goku's instant transmission as well. Granola is just an icing on the cake
That's what im thinking too , with instant transmission you can teleport when the time didn't flow yet. = faster than time = transcending time = immeasurable speed as well.
@@RandomName-xx9ls what I've heard is that he was moving so fast he looked like he was teleporting
He used that technique again I forget when though. Damn.
Yo bro why didnt you finish the ultimte goku scale???
Yeah, the downplay is real.
Among Sonic fans there’s people arguing that no character in dragon ball is above Universal+, underestimating the verse, and mischaracterizing Goku’s feats, but then proceed to wank the hell out of Sonic by misreading guidebooks or exaggerating certain feats.
Sup King Drip 😎
Yo
@@drip_sauce7967 having fun debunking those noobs 😎
hey drip sauce, do you know about goku's author power?
This is one of your best Video 🔥🔥🔥 W vid.
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You can argue that Whis' 24 minutes limit might be something under the Angelic Law.
Nah
You can use plot induced stupidy because we have seen better speed feats, even including Z
It's consistent actually, Whis can't go over the 5 minute mark of rewinding time he's fodder
basically goku negs fiction
faxes
No not even close
Hell nah he ain't beating
Buddha
Sun wukong
Lord shiva
Amazo
Superboy prime
Superman
CAS
Any cartoon characters
Saitama terra 3
Beerus
Whis
Grand priest
Flash
@@KAZ_Editz1 I can't tell if your trolling or actually being serious
@@KAZ_Editz1 he's not beating Buddha
His not beating wukong since his now reached Nirvana
Isn't Lord Shiva India religion
Amazo can just adapt to Goku
Super boy prime has actually destroyed reality unlike Goku
Any one with common sense knows Superman is doging Goku but he won't completely kill him because his a nice person
CAS is not and he'll just blink Goku out of existence
Ben10
Bugs bunny
Heck any character with toon force destroys him
Don't know much about teera
3 but regular Saitama is enough
Goku can't beat beerus
Or whis
Or the Grand priest
Because he couldn't even beat beerus
And who's and the grand priest are stronger than beerus
Pity that people are now treating the super dimension of gogeta and broly broke into is now just 5d as a highball. While the afterlife is 5d since it transcends space and time.
They can't age in afterlife not that afterlife transcend space-time
@GOAT-ganyu when will you learn how to read? It legit says it transcends space and time in the daizenshuu.
Can you debunk sung-jin woo bro and btw i can easily scale you to the top 5 of the best yt scalers
Why do you have to debunk a multiversal fodder
@@he_misfortune ive heard people say hes outer in tt
@@NathanTariku-m5c 😭💀crazy riders fr
The only Outer argument is just the concept of death, blah blah blah, and the reason being Solo Leveling is mainly glazed over by kids, hence the uncanny popularity despite the generic-ass plot. Just ignore them, noone takes them seriously, and I MEAN IT LITERALLY. After the anime dropped, literally NO ONE takes them seriously, not even a part of themselves.
@@abhrobiswas4956 solo leveling isnt that bad but yeah hes multiversal
Base goku during the goku black arc was able to move and talk in the empty void that was left by zeno after he erased trunks timeline.
Amazing video
“THESE BORING UNKNOWN IRRELEVANT VERSERS THAT PEOPLE COMPARE TO GOKU “ WITCH I WOULD NEVA COMPREHEND 😂😂
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Goku battle with beerus tells us alot how powerful they were back with their punches be able to effect infinite size realm and threaten over 100 universes
Debunk that fodder sung jin woo please btw w vid
Sung Jin woo still solos
@@KuroTheUnstoppableYT no he doesn't
@@TaseenPlayz yeah he does
@@KuroTheUnstoppableYT fodder Jin woo don’t get past buu saga and we can debate that
@@Smokeychees eh his soloing dbs
Good video. Keep going with it
yes
Hi drip, I was thinking after dragon ball sparking zero was announced that the new system of choices (the what-ifs) would be proof that there are branches in Db where each choice can generate a new parallel world since it is possible to change the canon events in sparking zero and from the moment this happens a new branch would already be created.
Been waiting drip!
CAP, Zeno does have 4D+ existence but it's not physically possible to show it
How, lemme show you
Now we take a look at the Universes in db with each of them being Infinite and each of them being surrounded by a neutral zone which is an infinite black space around the universe so by definition the db Universe is infinite no matter wat u scale it to whether 3D or Outerversal
So if Zeno can exit his mansion and look at the INFINITE UNIVERSES as FINITE BUBBLES that would grant Zeno and anyone that exists in that plane of existence higher lvl of existence
So db characters have higher dimensional Existence but that's dependent upon where they are for example if they're in the mortal Universe their existence is limited to 3D, in Zeno palace it's higher jus like infinite Zamasu who's existence was across timelines by removing their shells will show you an infinite existence
Icl half of was me jus rambling but it sounded liekf facts cuz it has partial evidence 😂
Goku>>>>>flash and archie sonic
No he really isn't
Facts
Yes lmao 💀
@@drip_sauce7967 not really
@@KuroTheUnstoppableYTman. Cope more pls
FINALLY
Is Zeno palace high outer
No
@@drip_sauce7967 does a history in a verse also refer to the entire verse ?
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Lmao i managed to convince bernkastel in character ai that xeno goku was outerversal lmao, we gotta be careful with AI they are becoming smarter 😂
3:18 How does this place have no time when they can enter and leave in a Time Machine?
I would like to clarify something simple. There are rules placed on the assistants to prevent them from using their power. The evidence for that is when Miros used his true power, it was erased by the Dashinkan. This applies to the rest of the assistant characters. They do not use their full two speeds. This is not stupidity in the plot, but as usual, the Video is legendary.
I mean cmon. Are we really still debating this??
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Yog sothoth Is stated To Be Omnipotent 😂😂
@@mrsketchysketch680 Which Scales Nowhere
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A lil bit confused on the "Goku is a 3D being part" could tou elaborate on that further
I think his trying to say that goku is 3d, but his ki is beyond it.
Damn whis more busted than i imagined
Hey drip i got a question how far does wargreymon go in dragon ball
Never heard of that person
@@drip_sauce7967 wargreymon is from digimon
He clears (digimon > dragon ball any day, digimon fans are chill as hell compared to DB fans
@@uboa8060 bud, a single atom from db solos foddermon
This is peak
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Nice explanation. Your dragon ball scale is goated. Because of you I say Goku solos your favourite anime and people have nothing to prove me wrong lol
Goat ❤😊
Finally
Hey drip amazing video
A question ,what are your thoughts on the argument that claim that goku and jiren aren’t above time because they were pressed by the time limiter of the top and and had to finish they fight before the time expire or the fact that with their speed the tournament should have ended instantly?
Who said they were pressed ? Did you forget about all the parts where characters were not fighting and were just talking ?
@@drip_sauce7967
That part obliviously, just I remember a part of Belmont saying to jiren to hurry up cause the time limit was expiring,(and maybe I’m just miss remembering)
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"And I mean this very offensively" 😂 tf blud calling stupid people stupid³
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What do you think are characters that beat goku?
Can’t think of any
@@drip_sauce7967what about Buddha wukong
There’s thousands upon thousands that can beat goku. Some well known, some not well known. Azathoth is an example of one (even though a dreamer is already blatantly overkill)
@@drip_sauce7967 Goku meatriders thinks that Goku can beat Moonad the strongest fiction character and saying he transcends time, bc he is faster than Hit, Hit's ability works very bad on someone who is stronger than him or has the same strength as him, IT is only infinite speed, bc it easily gets to every place in second but not faster than time, watch scaling of Salad Saiyan about hax in db, Six and goji-chronic that normally scales Goku, so you can scale normally, bc with you're arguments i can scale even dirt above time
@@drip_sauce7967You must not read anything but dragonball.
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Plus a question when will the video be released that exposes all the arguments regarding Dragon Ball Heroes, such as the blood relationship between Goku and the real world hero and the similarity between them to Ki and the limited time store in the timelines and the inability of XENO GOKU Super Saiyan 4 limit breaker or Demigra and other characters not being able to destroy all the timelines and other such stupid arguments when will the response to all these stupid Arguments Plus the video is as usual legendary and more than legendary, and it's better to call it the video limit breaker
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Drip lemme take care of this in 1 sentence,
Db characters have 3D vessels which are USELESS AND DOESN'T EQUATE TO THEIR POWER
Drip does goku actually solo like jokes aside and any biases aside because doesn't wukong solo him?
Yes and no
@@drip_sauce7967 can you clarify further if any chance? ( No harsh behavior pls)
@@therider2050 i can’t possibly know every fiction, but based on the ones i know goku solos
@@drip_sauce7967 Thank you for your information I personally think it's unfair to say a single character is stronger than all of fiction and I'm glad you can understand. I used to hate you as I thought you overrated Goku but now after watching your vids I'm happy to be a subscriber so kudos ✌️
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Where Does Cell max scale?
Above Goku untill latest chapter
High outer
Sup bro, when is your next live stream
Soon
Logical Implications of Physical actions on outerversal Realms?? I mean What is that cause which is causing these Implications to effect the realm in question
Like is there a seperate thing, which is taking into the consideration the changes , made within physical world , analysing the logical implucation, and then causing the immediate Splitting or creating a seperate reflection of that Non physical realm in that seperate timeline?? Last time Axility, said that PLOT in itself, acts as a Driving cause behind this, and makes it happen..do you Think thus requires some External Validation
I can't process this in one go 😭lemme reread n understand argument and questioning u made
@@wcom9999 I am asking is there a supervising force behind these splitting which is connecting the action of the physical world/their implications with the Outerversal realm , so that these logical implications will trigger the splitting thing
Like for Say God or Platonic Concept of Good is an Omnipresent metaphysical concept present everywhere by being the fundamental cause of all that exists.
So The Platonic concept over here is responsible for the existence of all things in the physical and Non physical world, ( i.e that actions and implications) it is also responsible for the existence of all things in Outerversal realm too
An Outerversal realm in general is Qualitatively superior to anything that is physical, so anything in physical realm should be meaningless to it.
But in my example the Platonic concept in question, makes These Logical Implications of Actions within Physical realm , to map onto the Outerversal realm, and trigger the Splitting of the Outerversal into a Parallel counter parts.
Thus in this way Platonic Concept acts a driving force , which being universally present and being foundational cause of everything , Controls everything forcing the logical implications to work on an Outerversal realm despite it's nature of Transcendence.
It's Like an ultimate controller , who is causing the splitting and by enforcing , the implications, in a superior way. Without Causing Contradictions.
In this way it is keeping two Conceptually superior and inferior realms connected without actually contradicting their nature. Since the logical Implications are not enforced by The physical realm on the Outerversal realm, but by the Platonic concept on the Outerversal realm
Kind of like how God Almighty, notices a significant change in the Mortal world and keeping the logical Implications in mind, USES HIS SUPERIOR METAPHYSICAL POWER AND AUTHORITY to cause the splitting the heavens and creating a Parallel world.
In this way The Mortal world is not forcing the Heaven to split because of itself, but it is GOD Almighty which us exercising it's power to cause the splitting of the heavens , because of the logical implications
In this way two Realms Do not conflict or Contradict each other
I am asking , that what Thing in Dragon ball is doing the work of ALMIGHTY God like in my example
Axility told me it is the metaphysical notion of the PLOT which is acting as an authority by Forcing the Logical implications on the Outerversal realm.
@@showdown4915 Conclusion of Narrative being the abstract notion governing this is certainly the case imo aswell
@@wcom9999 I am thinking of this as well, but I suppose we need Some external validation from within the Franchise. Like Treating these realms as actual independent stories within the plot as a hole, a more concrete evidence and better constructive argument
@@showdown4915 Staff actually won't bother to do it cause why that even matters
Something I will always give credit to Goku is speed. He’s like so obviously faster than time it’s insane. Even if you don’t think he’s stronger, in most debates, he’s probably faster.
Man i still can join the disc server
Why ?
@@drip_sauce7967 idk know i was asking question the i was kick out of the server for no reason
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Being beyond concept of time and being higher then space-time is different
I don’t understand how thats relevant
@@drip_sauce7967 i didnt meant it for you
Conventional Space-time still is a Notion of time i.e concept of time . What do u wanna imply anyways
You have to transcend Space to Transcend time... There is no other way! Without one the other loses *value* ,if you manipulate one you manipulate the Other and When you transcend one you transcend the Other
Goku doesn’t have infinite speed nor does he have immeasurable speed
As Theoretically, anyone moving at immeasurable & infinite speed would simultaneously occupy every point in time and space. E.g The speed force (which exists in higher dimensional spaces & realm with no forms or physicality ) and the flash outran it hence above immeasurable & infinite speeds
Also outrunning an omnipresent constant ie deaths avatar & stepping outside kinetic motion itself hence irrelevant speeds
So again. Goku does not have immeasurable speed
And yours is not an argument ,you didn’t provide any point on how goku doesn’t have infinite or immeasurable speed,you just stated a “theory”and a bunch of doubtfully flash feat
(Higher dimensional spaces don’t grant immeasurable speed )
Even by this theory, Flash was still not in every point in time and space.
And he technically didn’t outrun death. Death was reaching him. He simply stepped outside the end times, which stopped the Death Racer ( as he reached a time where life doesn’t exist. )
But had the race continued, Death would have taken him.
And this is the first time I hear about him “stepping outside Kinetic Motion itself” whatever that means. Can you elaborate?
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko stepping outside motion it’s. Because he step outside all of physics, time, space & story itself he literally looked at all of eternity & almost destroyed it if he wasn’t in stasis.
Again try reading, rather than hearing mfs use points you know nothing off.
@@Smokeychees yeh I mention those feats as the basis of what goku can not reach. Because he has no feats on said level
Neither has he been hinted to have such travel or reaction speed.
Who said higher D space grants immeasurable speed.
@@IbnJaae
My guy, since when stepping outside of time ( and therefore physics ) is the same as being at all points in time at once?
Goku stepped in the absolute nothing in Super. And yet could still move and breathe. Does that mean he was in all points in time at once?
Also, I literally asked you to elaborate because I’m not aware of what specific comic issue you’re talking about nor the context of it all. So, the latter part is unnecessary extra.
But Goku move
HeadCanon !
Copium !!!
@@drip_sauce7967 limitless 😶🌫️ !!!!
Fuel that OPM fans live is really called Copium ig
@@wcom9999 You Sure Know The Definition Of ' Headcanon ' 😂
@@theoretical-echo Hows that relevant to argument.
No he isn't he ages and is fodder 3D 😂
Being outer doesn't debunk you with your aging but we can say it in boundless tier
@@Peunitsu It does since that means the idea still applies study platonism a true concept can't be changed its always existing and Goku hasn't affected such
@@Supessolos-d8q if you trying to imply that platonism can make you outer. I will not agree with that
Sure
@@Peunitsu You don't even know what platonism means and neither does goonsauce
Goku still gets speed blitzed all the time. He can't travel through time. People really love to hype up goku just cause they can't admit he isn't all powerful.
You didn’t watch the video, you’ve proven yourself to be an idiot
@@drip_sauce7967 you've proven nothing with saying going though time doesn't mean anything. Yes it does. And Goku can't do it.
@@jaredcarpenter9973 we can debate that bud, all this yap ain’t helping your sorry ass
@@drip_sauce7967 clearly you aren't willing to debate because you didn't have an argument with your comments just insults. The true sign of a Goku fanboy I guess.
I'm as confused as u the way he said that time travel isn't immeasurable speed
All that just for Goku to get grazed by a bullet and almost killed by a laser
Blud doesn’t know what ki control is in 2024
@@drip_sauce7967so without controlling his ki he is mere human? Anyone can just sneak behind him and kill him.
@@mahmoodal-rashdi7417 why would you say “without ki control” ?? Are you stupid or something? Thats like saying “without supermans powers” “without flash speed” like are you dumb or something? Is there something wrong with your brain ?
@@drip_sauce7967 don’t hide kiddo trying only to insult. Explain the leaser beam shot in his SSG.
@@mahmoodal-rashdi7417 nobody is hiding, i already told you what ki control is, goku wasn’t focusing his ki at all because he already had freiza on the ground, it doesn’t matter what form you’re in, if you’re not focusing your ki on defense then you’re vulnerable, whis literally said this, i dont understand you stupid db haters that can’t fucking read the manga
Whis verbatim said it in the same episode/ chapter, in both anime and manga,
Ssj goku tanked a death beam from freiza to the face way back in namek, how does it make any sense for him to be below laser level from a much weaker laser , like are you slow or something? He’s obviously not focusing his ki, which is why when he was sleeping krillin hurt him with a rock
In a vs battle the event of goku being off guard is impossible, because he would be focusing his ki at all times , now don’t bug me again, cus i wont bother reading whatever stupid response you have
Huh? Time travel with raw speed is literally the definition of immeasurable speed according to everyone. Transcending time in existence is an ability, an ability that grants you immeasurable speed by default.
The reason it's called immeasurable is because it cannot be quantified. Moving faster than light (superluminal speed) requires beyond infinite energy and is a property reserved mostly for hypothetical particles that we haven't observed.
Of course, in power scaling, infinite speed and light speed are generally not synonymous which is fine for certain arguments, you just need to bump up the numbers and change some wording in the speed definitions to accommodate for the difference in logic
Infinite speed- moving infinite distance in finite time, which technically requires a supertask to accomplish. Still, it happens enough to have it's own definition in power scaling.
Inaccessible speed- instantaneous movement, moving finite distance with no time in-between (teleportation abilities and other hax can allow this, but remember, those aren't applicable to the character's default speed.
And then, immeasurable speed- Moving faster than infinitely fast to travel backwards in time (and forward). Because it's beyond infinite, it cannot be measured, at least under the logic used in power scaling where light ≠ infinite speed.
Im not readin allat, debate me
I'm as confused as u when he said that time travel isn't immeasurable speed
@@KuroTheUnstoppableYTBecause it actually isn't , DB hater's are slow AF and I swear that on my life, DB hater's and downplayers slowness is boundless.
Immuesurble speed is speed that can't be measured or speed faster than the flow of time not traveling back in time, just tell me : How is traveling back in time immuesurble speed ? It's literally Hax.
@@Mikato-Shiba you're in the minority lol, my definition is the one everybody uses. I guess dragon ball fans can't even agree to use certain definitions
@@drip_sauce7967what's your style of debate? Cause I don't accept anything but formal debates either with preparation before talking in a VC or texting each other so I have time to actually go grab the evidence I use between messages
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Goku not above vegeta tho
Yes he is
@@brandonlane4525no he isn't
@KuroTheUnstoppableYT yes he is.
@@brandonlane4525 other than the Saiyan saga and buu saga
Presently they have the same power level
@KuroTheUnstoppableYT Well, that's just not true. goku has almost always been slightly stronger.
ehhh saitama still solos because he packs 9 inches
Drip sause guess what flash is faster than fricking teleportation!!!!!
Ok bud, still just infinite speed
@@drip_sauce7967and how is Goku faster than that
@@drip_sauce7967and flash has irrelevant speed
@@KuroTheUnstoppableYT no he doesn’t, lmao ?
@@KuroTheUnstoppableYT watch the video with an open mind before asking me stupid questions, there’s a fucking video for a reason, i wont be responding to you anymore nga
Wally west beats all of dragonball with ease.
Base goku from Z solos all of dc
@@drip_sauce7967 you don't read DC comics obviously. Goku wouldn't be able to touch Wally.
@@jaredcarpenter9973 on the contrary i read every comic i can get my hands on, as an artist, ive been a dc fan longer than youve been alive, so don’t try shit, debate me right now on discord
@@drip_sauce7967 so Goku can run the the end of time where there is no death? Which chapter of Dragonball was that?
In 0.001 seconds
“Just because you neeed a Time Machine to travel through time doesn’t mean you aren’t immeasurable speed”
Damn the dullards just keep getting worse 😹
How tf do you have immeasurable speed if you neeed time mechs to travel time🤦🏽♂️ that’s the whole point of it being speed
You can have a reaction and combat speed to that level. Not saying Goku does or doesn't.
Time travel is a hax not speed.
Time travel ≠ Immeasurable speed
Immeasurable speed = beyond the system of speed so it because Immeasurable to scale.
@@TACOKINGTHEFIRST okay then
@@JJade-pg6qx with the machine it is hax . If he could do it with speed he would not need the machine
Low multiversal mftl+ at best the entire argument for goku being higher has been debunked before you ain't the first nor will you be the last its honestly just embarrassing watching goku fans truly think he gets past mftl+ 😂 goku fans creating their own happiness 😂
I debunked Dragon ball cosmology by the fact it only has a type 1 multiverse at max which is something that contains infinite amounts of possible spaces that work in the same physical laws because the universes are never said to have it own model of all of the entirety of space, time, matter, energy, and information, that has different physical laws and dimensions in Dragon ball doesn’t talk about mathematical dimensions that has it own extra special vectors axis beyond space so there only 1 temporal dimension which means it doesn’t even have a type 2 multiverse that contains post-inflation embryonic bubbles of type 1 multiverses and bubble exist outside the time and space of our own. They would have different laws of physics and constants and all of these universes would be their own unique bubble.
W or L debunked?
@@JJade-pg6qxso what you scale db?
@@JJade-pg6qxso what you scale db?
@@909mcronald I would say it scale to multiversal+ to low complex Multiversal because there are multiple timelines that has it own history of the Dragon ball world that follows it own physical laws that works in a historical multiversal You should see a video called Every Multiverse Theory Explained in 13 Minute it give information about how a multiverse can work in a fictional story.
Low multiversal
Cope more 😂
@@kenshinsenpai Cope and be in denial
Your trolling
@@Gking121 No
@@Ucl-mk8fh nice trolling 😂
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