Is Edgin REALLY a bard? // D&D: Honor Among Thieves

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  • @aeloswindrunner
    @aeloswindrunner ปีที่แล้ว +3897

    I'd say he's less the casual player and more the one who's more into the role play. He's the face of the party, like a lot of bards end up being

    • @TheOriginalDogLP
      @TheOriginalDogLP ปีที่แล้ว +125

      casual in the sense of gameplay. Its also hard to talk about roleplaying, because its not really visible if you only see the role and the fiction.

    • @theprideling
      @theprideling ปีที่แล้ว +86

      Oh totally! It’s that one player who much prefers the role play to the combat and before they know it they realize they haven’t packed a single damaging spell and are very happy to just be the support.
      (Also the Druid doesn’t cast spells either, just wild shapes)

    • @kyuven
      @kyuven ปีที่แล้ว +49

      I'd say he's the older player, familiar with how to role play but isn't really overly concerned with how the rules work specifically.
      And Holga is his drinking buddy who has played the exact same character for 5 different editions

    • @romxxii
      @romxxii ปีที่แล้ว +8

      aka the Sam Riegel

    • @LactoseIntollerance
      @LactoseIntollerance ปีที่แล้ว +4

      So real bro, the amount of romances I have with other characters, the different interactions with each character. I’m usually the one who Talks in the group but that’s also because I’m the most charming And persuasive when my Party are more Quiet and shy (their character I mean)

  • @EvilDMMk3
    @EvilDMMk3 ปีที่แล้ว +2054

    Avoiding death by getting sent into the arena, despite the fact that is the stupidest thing the villains could do at that moment is clearly him using Suggestion.
    Also, the moment you reference with Holga really felt to me like he was using calm emotions on her with her consent. He even pauses and waits for the nod.

    • @nathans9764
      @nathans9764 ปีที่แล้ว +165

      I think Sofina agreed to the arena because she thought they would make good thralls. Gelatinous cube aside they shouldn't have been able to escape, and she had already thwarted them uh.. 4 times?

    • @VinceValentine
      @VinceValentine ปีที่แล้ว +138

      @@nathans9764 Yup. They didn't know she was gonna zombify everyone, but she probably thought undead minions with class levels are pretty useful.

    • @barbarrojaeltemido1904
      @barbarrojaeltemido1904 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Don't remember him using the word suggestion, although the game takes a few licenses with the mechanics (like doing 7 wild shapes in a row), so maybe?

    • @natanoj16
      @natanoj16 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      ​@@barbarrojaeltemido1904my favorite way to think of the Druid escape scene is that the GM could just allow an 'escape form' I myself have several times as a GM allowed a player to chain forms for flavour.
      And just saying 'escape form' is something I could see myself allowing

    • @barbarrojaeltemido1904
      @barbarrojaeltemido1904 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@natanoj16 I guess unless its used in combat, multiple wild shapes shouldn't break the mechanics, although I'm not sure about how to role that so that it makes sense and doesn't break the immersion.
      Maybe the "escape wild shape" it's an imperfect transformation that uses less magic and therefore allows for more uses but wouldn't be able to withstand the strain of a battle? I'm no dm but I can see that working as a homebrew

  • @thaumaTurtles
    @thaumaTurtles ปีที่แล้ว +998

    When my friend and I watched it yesterday, we leaned over and said "bardic inspiration" when he started singing. Glad someone else interpreted it that way!

    • @StrawberryCrush2000
      @StrawberryCrush2000 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      my friend and i did the same except when he's shouting encouragement at holga while he tries to escape his rope cuffs and she kicks their executioners' asses singlehandedly

    • @Pyre
      @Pyre ปีที่แล้ว +24

      ​@@StrawberryCrush2000 THANK YOU.
      Also congrats you were watching the film objectively the correct way.

  • @savingpyro
    @savingpyro ปีที่แล้ว +792

    "OH YEAH WE GOT 'EM NOW!" If that isn't inspiring Holga to crush some skulls, I don't know what is.

    • @peterstamerra445
      @peterstamerra445 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Mastermind rogue - gives the Help action from 30 feet away.

    • @commandercaptain4664
      @commandercaptain4664 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Just like when Ahnuld says 'C'MON DO IT NAU DO IT C'MON!" Total Austrian bard move.

    • @mikeym9146
      @mikeym9146 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      What’s even more great is that he says that when she was losing or at least taking some damage. So he totally gave her inspiration to finish out the rest of the fight well

    • @TheCaberDragon
      @TheCaberDragon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      oh look a chi- I CAST VICIOUS MOCKERY

  • @user-ng4xe5rf8n
    @user-ng4xe5rf8n ปีที่แล้ว +430

    As everyone knows, bard is like the 5th wheel: the steering wheel.

    • @Bllue
      @Bllue ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I've never heard this before in my 30+ years as a native English speaker and I LOVE IT 😂

    • @user-ng4xe5rf8n
      @user-ng4xe5rf8n ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @Bllue Well tbh I made it up myself lmao I'm glad you liked it

    • @CocoWantsACracker
      @CocoWantsACracker 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      In a technical sense, "fifth wheel" is actually the term for the part of a semi-truck to which a trailer is connected to keep it mechanically attached. I reckon that's also a pretty good analogy for the role of a bard.

  • @Dan-qy6zv
    @Dan-qy6zv ปีที่แล้ว +112

    As Griffin McElroy once said, "There's magic in a bard's song. It's called inspiration. It tells the listener what they need to hear, when they need to hear it."

    • @oivatank
      @oivatank ปีที่แล้ว +7

      “You’re going to have to fight. And… you’re gonna win!”

    • @katherineberger6329
      @katherineberger6329 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And then there's Vicious Mockery, where a bard can literally insult a man to death.

  • @ultimate_pawnch
    @ultimate_pawnch ปีที่แล้ว +403

    I think the way they differentiated the characters makes a lot of sense for an average movie-goer's experience. If a majority of the party is using easily identifiable magic, it suddenly makes for less distinct properties of each character's role.
    And while we may classify those Bard spells as magic, their portrayal of it absolutely worked for me.

    • @rayesafan9628
      @rayesafan9628 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Oh yea. Exactly this. Movie goers would be so confused if everyone did magic.
      Even Druids have cool spells, but if the Druid in the movie did healing spells, it’d make the casuals feel like the wizard has no place there

    • @jlinkous05
      @jlinkous05 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      The Druid exchanged spell slots for enhanced Wild Shape. The Bard "uses" spells but they're prepared in line where he doesn't even know he's doing them.

  • @bruh717
    @bruh717 ปีที่แล้ว +509

    This is interesting, like he might've used suggestion, friends etc just subtlety in the movie, but they're not big flashy spells and that's why we don't "see them"

    • @allenr316
      @allenr316 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      I hadn't really thought about it in that fashion when I watched the movie. As far as you can see, he didn't cast spells in the traditional sense (incantations or hand gestures like a mage), but he seemingly used his Charisma a lot to try change situations to inspire or talk his way out of things. But if you think about it, bardic magic could be cast very, very differently from arcane magic, even though the results are the same. I can accept the assignment of spells they claim Edgin used.

  • @apawhite
    @apawhite ปีที่แล้ว +70

    I think it was actually pretty important that they played down the magic angle of his bardic abilities. Bards already risk crossing the line to "Dude, that's existentially nightmarish" by mind controlling people, so by just having him be convincing rather than emit a purple glow that makes people suddenly agree with him, it comes off as charismatic rather than Creeplord.

  • @davidioanhedges
    @davidioanhedges ปีที่แล้ว +101

    He inspires, he makes friends, charms, distracts, mocks viciously, but not with sparkles and complex hand moments ...

  • @MarkCsigs
    @MarkCsigs ปีที่แล้ว +278

    My favorite use of Bardic Inspiration was a character I played whose art was close-up magic. He was named "The Great Fibonacci", and when he'd give out inspiration he'd say "pick a card, any card" and I had premade a deck of index cards that all had some kind of encouraging (or sometimes just funny) statement on them.

  • @peridotshewolf148
    @peridotshewolf148 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    My party has an NPC bard who instead of music tells stories and hes giving inspiration he tells them something to the effect of "give me another tale to tell for the ages" "may this deed go down in history" "you are the silk and I am the weaver, now give me those lovely threads" and they love it. He's a huge morale boost and they have loved him since I introduced him.

  • @Spiceodog
    @Spiceodog ปีที่แล้ว +18

    My mom character gives out words of inspiration like “ your doing great sweety “ and “ don’t worry, we all make mistakes sometimes, you’ll get him on the next swing “

  • @alecelliott7506
    @alecelliott7506 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Gotta love how Fig from fantasy high did inspiration. She just winked at the person who she was granting inspiration and they would look around confused.

  • @meander112
    @meander112 ปีที่แล้ว +244

    Engagement for the engagement god!

    • @MrGoofyPup
      @MrGoofyPup ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I'm engaging with your engagement

    • @AnnoyingNewsletters
      @AnnoyingNewsletters ปีที่แล้ว +4

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    • @larurentius
      @larurentius ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Likes for the like throne!

    • @kwest9747
      @kwest9747 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      To paraphrase Kharne the Betrayer:
      “Comment.
      Like.
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  • @milamberarial
    @milamberarial ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Canonically, a bard's "spells" were never meant to be actual "spellcasting" but rather more subtle things that had magical effects. Thats why their spell lists have always had a lot of social and utility spells rather than direct damage. Also the inspiration for bards was a few characters in Celtic stories, and the magic in those tended to be subtle. A bard in combat used a sword. Out of combat they did things like sway people's hearts and such.

    • @rock21611
      @rock21611 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not actual spellcasting? You realize bards can cast things like skywrite and polymorph, right? Hell, even at first level they can set off shockwaves and cause small earthquakes. Bards are _full casters,_ the idea that they’re not supposed to be actual spells is bull crap.

  • @ryanoutram7059
    @ryanoutram7059 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Bardic inspiration at my table looks like me reminding the other player about bardic inspiration every turn

  • @IWLGaming
    @IWLGaming 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The reason he doesn't cast spells is the same reason the druid doesn't cast spells. And the same reason they asked the wild magic sorc to heal. They kept it really simple with the "classes" the druid was animals the bard was talking/music, the sorcerer was magic.

  • @Dice-Eater
    @Dice-Eater ปีที่แล้ว +82

    Edgin definitely follows my characters where they trick people and make elaborate plans since I consider myself in real life to be more of a thinker

  • @franciscojosecardenetedela2008
    @franciscojosecardenetedela2008 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    D&D ttrpg is... a game, has rules and dices. Honor among thieves is a movie, hence the effects of Edgin's skills, powers and spells come out in a cinematic way. He is definetly a leader, a support and a funny character. Bard looks like a perfect class to represent him.

  • @apieceofpie7702
    @apieceofpie7702 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    In my campaign it's simply The Bard screaming you're doing great sweetie at the top of her lungs while doing double thumbs

  • @pablonieto5058
    @pablonieto5058 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think they wanted to give each character the most characteristic trait of their class focusing on their essence. Martial combat for the Barbarian, Magic for the sorcerer, Wild shaping for the druid, Paladins being op in combat and anoyingly lawful good in roleplay and social skills and leadership for the bard. In this way, its Easier for the casual audience to tell the diference between their habilities and not just seeing everyone casting spells and fighting with weapons.

  • @CrimsonTemplar2
    @CrimsonTemplar2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    A friend had a half-orc bard & her inspirations were given out as knock-knock jokes.

  • @lanefunai4714
    @lanefunai4714 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I'm currently playing a lore bard. When I inspire, it's pointing out how to do things better based on observations and knowing how to do things.

  • @djredjammer
    @djredjammer ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Our bardic inspiration is when some other members of the party are in an arena, and our bard JUMPS 200 FEET KNOWING FULL WELL HOW HIGH UP HE IS and then another party member stabs him to get him unconscious AGAIN after the healer stabilizes him

  • @terracraftpovofgamemakingk1552
    @terracraftpovofgamemakingk1552 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    My bardic inspiration comes in the form of fancy tricks with my sword.
    Oh and the occasional song on my fiddle.

    • @natanoj16
      @natanoj16 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I had a player who inspired with promises of a great meal afterwards ^_^

  • @Boone_Faustus
    @Boone_Faustus ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Yeah I'd say that he's an Eloquence Bard with the Inspiring Leader feat.

  • @yngvildrthevoracious
    @yngvildrthevoracious ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I had a bardlock who was a fish monger married to his patron (a siren devoted to an unnamed sea goddess) and they had an orphanage together so his bardic inspiration was literally me figuring out what to say that would earn a "world's best dad" mug or card xD

    • @unevennoble9363
      @unevennoble9363 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Last time i checked werent Dnd sirens more like ocean and coast dwelling harpies? (Who also tended to become pirates)

  • @weirdguy7451
    @weirdguy7451 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    In one campaign I’m playing, the cast is all gods and I play as a love/beauty god who brings inspiration unintentionally through their innate kindness and beauty

    • @SynthApprentice
      @SynthApprentice ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you ever heard of the game Godbound? It's pretty much literally this. You play as a group of demigods.

  • @xySuperManxy
    @xySuperManxy ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I really enjoyed Scanlan’s bardic inspirations in Critical Role, so on the rare occasions I’m playing a bard I do little filks to boost other characters (or debuff foes).

  • @LamirLakantry
    @LamirLakantry ปีที่แล้ว +6

    My bard character told her the ocean fearing comrade that if he died, she'd give him a burial at sea. That got him to fight harder for his life.

  • @MoistCrumpet
    @MoistCrumpet ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When the rest of the party were about to give up, Edgin was the one who inspired them all to keep going. That to me came across as bardic inspiration. He also came across as quite a charming and overall likeable person throughout the movie. I at least felt that he did come across as a bard who focused mainly on his social bard skills.

  • @ivarkrabol
    @ivarkrabol ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Our bard/sorcerer flavors both bardic inspiration and guidance as her giving the recipient visions of themselves succeeding at whatever they're about attempt, or bringing up memories from the past when they've done something cool.

  • @kurtwhite1498
    @kurtwhite1498 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    for my players, it’s something like
    bard: “ I cast bardic inspiration”
    everyone at once: “that’s not a spell!”

  • @daggergaming3943
    @daggergaming3943 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My bard that I'm playing as currently does bardic inspiration by pulling a Broadway main character and breaks into song every time. He'll even cast Minor Illusion to play an accompaniment track while he sings

  • @waterierStone
    @waterierStone ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I mean if he ever said the line "I suggest..." then he probably cast suggestion

  • @hattaandromeda
    @hattaandromeda ปีที่แล้ว +4

    For my Kenku Calliope, inspiration was patting her friends in the head or telling them she loves them. For Hershele, it was cracking jokes and making quips. Looks different for every bard :)

  • @pj_spirit
    @pj_spirit ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Rogue with lute was literally what I thought looking at him. But I did notice his charisma and the way he was able to use his words in various situations which did make me confused because that felt very much in line with bard stuff. The lack of outwardly obvious spells and not much magic knowledge is what made me decide he was a rogue

    • @erichall090909
      @erichall090909 ปีที่แล้ว

      I guess it really comes down to the interpretation.

  • @Spaceboy34
    @Spaceboy34 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I don't remember Doric ever casting any spells but no one questions her being a druid.

    • @lauraw2526
      @lauraw2526 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      She's got a druid build that's only wildshape...

    • @GinnyDi
      @GinnyDi  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      honestly, I've seen a lot of people annoyed about that, too 😂

    • @lauraw2526
      @lauraw2526 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@GinnyDi Rule of cool! Their DM was flexible on a few rules 😅

    • @Spaceboy34
      @Spaceboy34 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@GinnyDi I don't doubt your experience, but this is the first I've heard of anyone complaining about it. It's been all Edgin 🤪

    • @AnnoyingNewsletters
      @AnnoyingNewsletters ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Basically she traded out spell casting for more iconic wildshape options.

  • @GrandiaKnight
    @GrandiaKnight ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I would say he's more a rogue with a high charisma. Pretty much every other spell we see in the film has some form of verbal,somatic or material component involved so it doesn't make sense if he was the only one who could cast spells like that

    • @alexmegami
      @alexmegami ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Theoretically I suppose as a human he could have the Metamagic Adept feat for Subtle Spell, but truly he feels like a Rogue specced for Charisma who took Deception and Persuasion as his double proficiencies

    • @GrandiaKnight
      @GrandiaKnight ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alexmegami Exactly

    • @jonh6585
      @jonh6585 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bardic inspiration does not have S or M componants

    • @alexmegami
      @alexmegami ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jonh6585 While this is true, bards have access to spells above and beyond Bardic Inspiration, which is not a spell.

  • @darktiger0
    @darktiger0 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Though that clears up a lot, I still argue that he is a rogue / bard multi class

    • @ethanemerson4862
      @ethanemerson4862 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Probably has a higher rogue level then bard.

    • @GinnyDi
      @GinnyDi  ปีที่แล้ว +70

      I mean, you can certainly have a headcanon! The fact is that the movie calls him a bard - in all the marketing, in interviews with the writers/directors/cast, etc. I'm less interested in categorizing him and more interested in thinking about how bards can be represented in unexpected and diverse ways, both in and out of game.

    • @TBoring
      @TBoring ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Oh yeah definitely. The party is at least Level 9 given Simon’s Arcane Hand spell (I’d argue they’re even higher level). Given his stat sheet has 2nd level spells I’d say Edgin has 3 levels in Valor Bard (given his Harper Uniform looks like Medium Armor) and he went the rest Mastermind Rogue.

    • @briankelly1240
      @briankelly1240 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@TBoring I mean hey, level 20 druid right ;) ? Haha

    • @karlthorkildson4650
      @karlthorkildson4650 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@TBoring The Paladin is certainly epic level or near that, just around long enough for them to be able to survive the Underdark.

  • @Blender.bunker
    @Blender.bunker ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bardic inspiration is the yelling of the immigrant song when the doom music kicks in ,the subtle 80’s song quote bardic inspiration is when you know it’s gonna get gnarly

  • @pharaohalhotep9559
    @pharaohalhotep9559 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In the words of one great bard…
    “Trapped in a cell with all my bros, we gotta get out, let’s go go goes”

  • @al8188
    @al8188 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    EDGING?

  • @D35TR0YM4N
    @D35TR0YM4N ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I still firmly believe Ed is a PaliBard for the Harpers. He even took an oath.

  • @LordGingivitus66
    @LordGingivitus66 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He's more like a Mastermind Rogue than a Bard. What looks like Bardic Inspiration could be Master of Tactics.

  • @josephrichardson69
    @josephrichardson69 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He may have cast suggestion, while he was giving his backstory. And that’s why they pardoned him or maybe towards the end, he cast friends when he thought that Jornathan wasn’t gonna show. I agree, he is the face of the party, and all of those spells have to do with verbal interaction. I’m sure once people have had enough times to go through and rewatch several times someone will be able to point out when they think he may have succeeded versus when the NPC‘s made their saves. I don’t know it’s just a thought.

  • @ImSubbedToMyself
    @ImSubbedToMyself ปีที่แล้ว +4

    He’s a Chaotic Good Rogue, who focuses on Charisma, with the Faction Agent background, where his DM allowed him to replace one of his languages with proficiency in a musical instrument since he’s a Harper, and he’s taken the inspiring leader feat

  • @TheTidobanditto
    @TheTidobanditto ปีที่แล้ว +5

    He's an NPC with high Charisma 😅

  • @Ryuunien
    @Ryuunien ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I mean, they took away the druid's spells and just gave her unlimited wildshapes instead. I think they were just having magic be focused on the Sorcerer instead

  • @SailorMoos3
    @SailorMoos3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    my bardic inspiration so far has been patting someone on the back and saying "you can do it", "go with god friend", and most recently "yeah you can do it or whatever i just don't wanna see"

    • @AnnoyingNewsletters
      @AnnoyingNewsletters ปีที่แล้ว

      Wait, is my War Priest Cleric actually a Bard?!
      Whenever another player character announces an action that seems like a little too much risk vs reward, I say, _Fortune favors the bold_ or _vayo con dios._ 🤣

  • @MultiClassGeek
    @MultiClassGeek ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Last time I played a bard, his backstory was that he'd been the trainer/manager/hype man for the Barbarian's street fighting career, so his Inspiration usually took the form of tactical advice and/or something along the lines of "You got this, champ"

  • @davidgreco8489
    @davidgreco8489 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I felt like he was giving out bardic inspiration the whole time. Glad you viewed it the same way. The spells they listed for him are interesting...makes a ton of sense. I like that approach.

  • @akhasshativeritsol1950
    @akhasshativeritsol1950 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I had an NPC "bard" (homebrew class I called orator, ditching most of the more overt magic for a couple of fighter skills) who exclusively used conversation. He was a lawyer by training, and his bardic inspiration was all well-articulated heart felt compliments to the party

  • @santagonewrong
    @santagonewrong 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The movie adapted the classes to a different medium - in a tactical TTRPG like D&D, people can handle a bunch of abilities because they're sitting with their one character for a long time, with character sheet in front of them, and they need them so they have options to choose from. In a movie, people will only easily grok one or two cool abilities each character in the party has. So they distilled each class to it's most distinctive and iconic thing.
    Edgin uses social skills and bardic inspiration instead of throwing around a bunch of obvious spells for the same reason that Doric uses wild shape more than she would mechanically be allowed to instead of throwing around a bunch of obvious spells - it defines their classes more clearly.

  • @intrepidfool
    @intrepidfool ปีที่แล้ว +4

    No actual bard would ever try to use their instrument as a weapon. So, he is clearly *not* a bard and just a rogue pretending.

    • @TStalker013
      @TStalker013 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      correction: as a *physical* weapon. Bard's use their noise makers as a weapon all the time.

    • @intrepidfool
      @intrepidfool ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TStalker013 Hahah. Their "noise makers". Love it.

    • @AnnoyingNewsletters
      @AnnoyingNewsletters ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's assuming they didn't just summon the -weapon- instrument in the first place.

  • @cooper_the_boss
    @cooper_the_boss ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm convinced that Edgin is actually a Mastermind Rogue pretending to be a Bard as part of his mission for the Harpers. I mean, what does he do the whole movie?
    Stealths into places, comes up with plans, bonus action help, talks his way out of stuff, and then OHKO's some goons with the lute (sneak attack). He doesn't even particularly manipulate people in a magical way, just Persuades or Deceives them into going along with him.
    It's actually a pretty cool character idea: a rogue with a good Charisma stat who pretends to be a bard in order to eavesdrop and infiltrate undercover.

  • @silverlebelge3679
    @silverlebelge3679 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Entertainer background Vhuman with the Inspiring Leader feat, Mastermind Rogue, using the Help action at a distance, high CHA and Expertise is Persuasion and Deception, and his DM was cool enough to let him use a lute for his sneak attack. Also Holga is a Battlemaster with Tavern Brawler. I still loved the movie.

  • @nikvernon4251
    @nikvernon4251 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    also caught vicious mockery at the end. "whew, your breath... just.. stinks"

  • @Maninawig
    @Maninawig ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's an interesting question...
    I have a mute eloquence bard whose method of casting spells is how one interprets his ocarina's music; one might feel the sting of a Vicious Mockery as he plays the Ballad of the Hero, or find themselves compelled to act as if charmed by suggestion...
    For him, Bardic Inspiration would be a tune to match the mood: a melancholic melody that reminds people of their reasons to be there, a joyful jingle that flatters a player filling them with determination.
    Meanwhile my Spirits Bard would draw his bardic inspiration from the ghosts around him, allowing himself to be a channel for your grandfather to "remind you what's important."
    Thirdly, my Whispers Bard is more motivated by gathering great tales to write ballads about, so would treat Bardic Inspiration more like a pep talk, or combine it with Inspiring Leader to achieve something akin of Antrius (1 For All) escaping prison.

  • @Auriel_Direnni
    @Auriel_Direnni ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the idea that bard spells don't look like they're doing anything.

  • @ThePa1riot
    @ThePa1riot ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bards are one of those classes where it's easy to flavor what they do depending on the subclass. If Edgin (or his player) was a spy for the Harpers, it would make sense he wouldn't want to draw attention to himself.

  • @notdaredevil8809
    @notdaredevil8809 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bardic inspiration is almost always a player rolling and then roleplaying their character being injured and then singing "I need a hero" then the party all act super pumped so its like the huddle ups in GOTG game

  • @EskimoFettXXI
    @EskimoFettXXI ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Do Holga’s Barbarian Rage Next please!

  • @user-tz3qy9gw7u
    @user-tz3qy9gw7u ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It reminds me of a first edition Bard (you start off leveling up as a Fighter, then as a Thief, and then you become a bard. This means that they're essentially a Fighter/Thief with a ton of charisma)

  • @dreyfus37_65
    @dreyfus37_65 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My buddy is the bard in our campaign. His bardic inspiration is usually playing his lute at us. Sometimes he’ll give us words of encouragement

  • @themangledwither
    @themangledwither 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My bardic inspiration is either me pulling my bagpipes out to boost moral in combat or a one on one sit down with my bard talking about and listening to other's problems and comforting them

  • @autisticautomaton
    @autisticautomaton ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Every bard (as well as skalds in pathfinder 1e) I've played/made as an npc (with a few exceptions) is based on a musician/performer I like and bardic inspiration basically just looks like an encouraging speech or rousing song. I made a Halfling folk punk bard and he'd just sing altered versions of songs by mischief brew or Pat the Bunny (so keep on loving, keep on fighting, and hold on to your life.)

  • @smlowe5637
    @smlowe5637 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree with what you’re saying. For two short games I played a bard based on Geoffrey Chaucer played by Paul Bettany in “A Knight’s Tale”.
    While Edgin played the lute, I would argue that it’s a secondary instrument and his primary instrument is Oratory Skill. It lies in his vocals, and it’s the one instrument that can’t be really taken away from him.
    I also agree with the interprets that Edgin really relies on providing Bardic Insparation to his companions.
    For plot reasons Edgin didn’t have spellcasting because, why wouldn’t he have Care Wounds prepared,as there isn’t a Cleric in the party? But if we did have Cure Wounds prepared, we wouldn’t have had the situation with Holga at the end of the movie, requiring him to make a sacrifice, completing his redemption arc.

  • @Battleguild
    @Battleguild ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Edgin came off as a Mastermind Rogue for me, throwing those bonus Help actions.

    • @davidstratton696
      @davidstratton696 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But is definitely a bard as well if we’re gonna say he’s a rogue. He basically casted calm emotions on Holga when she was down about her ex lover. Suggestion was also used to let them be in the arena. Just because we don’t see him specifically cast these spells doesn’t mean they aren’t being used. It’s more subtle and honestly makes more sense for a bard.

  • @crazybrit1192
    @crazybrit1192 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    For a second I say 'is edging really that bad," and I was so incredibly worried this wonderful channel took a dizzying turn.

  • @jennymckenzie5304
    @jennymckenzie5304 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Bard is a theatre kid who forgets they have magic." That's the archetype

  • @TheTwitchyBrownGuy
    @TheTwitchyBrownGuy ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My theory, he isn't a Bard, or rogue or anything. He is just a commoner that's gotten himself mixed up with adventurers

  • @Sparrow0330
    @Sparrow0330 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As the bard of my current campaign, my DM and I agreed that I give inspiration by playing music, and when I give somebody inspiration, I literally pull up Spotify on my phone and start playing background music, like it’s the soundtrack of a movie. For example, our Barbarian had to beat a demon king in one on one combat, a test of pure strength. So, I started playing The Unseen Ones from the Hades soundtrack, and gave him bardic inspiration. I literally put on boss music for his ultimate fight
    Update: my Bard can now only take Warlock levels because I accidentally made a blood pact with another one of the demon kings

  • @thatguy-js7ri
    @thatguy-js7ri ปีที่แล้ว

    I KNEW IT! I was in the theatre and after watching I told my friends "it seems like each character represents a type of player" and they all thought I was crazy!

  • @Carnagepwnz
    @Carnagepwnz ปีที่แล้ว

    I think they did a good job of representing the feel of each class. If not faithfully capturing what the can do or how often.
    It felt like watching a parties highlight reel come to life.

  • @wootalicious5939
    @wootalicious5939 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    throughout that movie, I could imagine players sitting around a table describing the scenes and what the characters are doing, and a very busy DM scrambling to keep up when they do weird things. Lots of fun (but too many wildshapes in one day!!!)

  • @jonathanfesmiresteampunkau6983
    @jonathanfesmiresteampunkau6983 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes, he's a bard. In my head canon, his magic is his influence, almost like a perpetual heroism and the like that his presence casts on his companions. Plus, his Charisma, and Persuasion are clearly formidable. And... his character stat block calls him a bard.

  • @24kRobot
    @24kRobot ปีที่แล้ว

    I like that Al Gore’s Rhythm blessed me with your shorts. You have such a great attitude to the things you are passionate about.

  • @andersonic
    @andersonic ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for elucidating so well why I absolutely loved the movie. It felt so much like the lived experience of an actual game's characters.

  • @backpack_hermit25
    @backpack_hermit25 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My character had a moment where he and the party were trapped in prison by bhaal cultists, he learnt his ancestors were Bhaalspawn and is obviously, breaking down over how he’s related to people, wicked people, who go against his morality, but he pulls through and sings a song that I ended up writing prior for this moment, and it inspires the team to work together where they all try to brute force their way out of prison, to lure a cultist where they pulled him head first into the bars and knocked him cold to steal his key

  • @cameroncormac7583
    @cameroncormac7583 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My bard's Bardic Inspiration comes in the form of heavy bass upbeat rock music (cause who doesn't get ampped when listening to upbeat rock music)

  • @michelangelomichaelmorrice6910
    @michelangelomichaelmorrice6910 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never knew about the promotion, thanks for notifying people.

  • @GeekMasterGames
    @GeekMasterGames ปีที่แล้ว

    As someone who is playing a bard, I loved the representation. Not every spell is flashy or easy to spot. And my inspiration? It is usually in the form of stories and tales, soft music, and inspirational rallies, insults, or funny quips. Nothing overtly magical.

  • @beepboop.woobaloop
    @beepboop.woobaloop ปีที่แล้ว

    “So uhh yeah I will use bardic inspiration.” “Ok cool cool”

  • @bobsmith7066
    @bobsmith7066 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok, but countertheory: Edgin is a rogue with the inspiring leader feat.

  • @marquisealexander1371
    @marquisealexander1371 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don’t know why some people want to debate the FACT that Edgin is a Bard when it’s literally stated by the movie as well as the OFFICIAL character sheet that was released by WotC.
    Just because he doesn’t cast magic; doesn’t mean he isn’t a bard. He’s a bard because the movie makers said so. It’s not something that’s up for debate or something that was omitted from the movie as to be ambiguous as to lead the community to speculate on the characters respective classes. It’s legit stated and given by the people that made the movie. If you don’t agree or like it; then tough luck cause facts is facts.
    They could make a Wizard that doesn’t cast spells and uses only melee weapons. Doesn’t change the fact it’s still a Wizard. They could make a Fighter that doesn’t fight and doesn’t even use or own any weapons. Doesn’t make it not a Fighter.
    TL;DR Edgin is a Bard. End of discussion.

  • @baval5
    @baval5 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I interpreted it as him doing the time honored tradition: playing one class and calling it another one because the rules suit your concept better. He's a rogue with ranks in perform, who doesn't care that his lute is an improvised weapon because he does most of his damage with sneak attack anyway.

  • @trashlag
    @trashlag 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I read this as "is edging really bad?" and I was like "ain't no way"

  • @pidge5399
    @pidge5399 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Had a "dad bard" once, inspired by the Tumblr post
    He gave bardic inspiration by telling the other party members he was proud of them and cast vicious mockery by telling the monsters he wasn't mad, he was just disappointed

    • @WolfgangDoW
      @WolfgangDoW ปีที่แล้ว

      Did he have snacks and potions for everyone too?

    • @pidge5399
      @pidge5399 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WolfgangDoW no, but that would have been a great idea.
      He did have cook's utensils so he could cook meals for everyone though

  • @jdhbeph
    @jdhbeph ปีที่แล้ว

    Edgin is an example of how a player can successfully inhabit a character not by mastering the abilities on their character sheet, but by clever imagination and earnest roleplay.

  • @AndromedaCripps
    @AndromedaCripps ปีที่แล้ว

    You bring up sone really good points, and it’s something I considered! Sone people prefer playing cards like this, where instead of “casting spells” their magic is a bit more “natural”, they just play their instrument, say sone words, and that is imbued with magic, no showy flashy lights and glowing music notes. Which is also cool!
    My favorite bardic inspiration flavor is one I discussed with a player of mine. He wanted to retire his character, so he’s coming back into the party as her son, who is (for reasons) half aboleth. So a lot of his class features and race features are flavored to be his psionic and tentacle-y aboleth powers. One of the coolest and weirdest things about aboleths are that they are born with all of the memories of their parents, who have all the memories of their parents, and so on. So his bardic inspiration is him, this little 6-year-old boy (or so he appears) just saying some unrelated niche historical or trivia fact from the centuries and centuries of his ancestors’ memories, which, somehow, twists and alters the minds of his allies to help them. Like, “King Arthur died in the year 604 AD at the hands of Sir Mordred, on the battlefields of Camlann, by the fortress of Camboglanna on Hadrian’s Wall.” And then the character succeeds their strength saving throw, somehow. 😂 it’s just so bizarre and obscure, and kinda creepy, this (apparent) little boy just stating things it would be impossible for him to know, and they warp the minds of those around him 😨😨

  • @timm.8327
    @timm.8327 ปีที่แล้ว

    My favorite form my Bard's inspiration would take was a smile, and I had a collection of feelings they'd inspire, my fav being "like smelling the best childhood meal their parents used to make"

  • @aaronharding2960
    @aaronharding2960 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really cool to see solid portrayals of DnD in pop culture. First this movie and now BG3. Its a good year to be a fan of DnD

  • @TheGreatUndergroundEmpire
    @TheGreatUndergroundEmpire ปีที่แล้ว

    The fighter played the hell out of her role in that movie too. It was hilarious how perfectly and subtly she pulled off high STR/CON low WIS/INT.

  • @BiggestGal
    @BiggestGal ปีที่แล้ว

    I like to think that because all of Edgin's contributions to the party involve talking, that makes him College of Eloquence.

  • @quinncykaluzniak5429
    @quinncykaluzniak5429 ปีที่แล้ว

    It can look a few ways, maybe it's a speech who's words are coated with magic, maybe a battle cry that sends a burst of energy to the party. The thing about bards are they're showmen, and showmen know how to use props

  • @Christhulhu
    @Christhulhu ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey there! I'm relatively new to this channel. Im in P'n'P for about 15 years but have a loooong break since many years. Still interested, so I found my way in here.
    And I cant tell how much you give me some good times with your channel. I watched nearly every cideo until "2 years ago" cause it just helps me in a tough time atm. All those good vibes are just... healing for me. So... Just thank you. It's always a pleasure to see and listen to you when u r just nerdy and be yourself. :)
    Keep on going! Thanks a lot!
    Greetings from good cold germany!

  • @ArchielDiem
    @ArchielDiem ปีที่แล้ว

    I was left thinking that Edgin could probably be a College of Eloquence bard, concentrating on running his mouth to save the day and inspiring his allies

  • @austinparker87
    @austinparker87 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “Spring break, I believe in you”