Can You Beat Pokemon Red/Blue with Just a Bellsprout?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2022
- After last weeks' awful Oddish run, can Bellsprout redeem the Grass/Poison Pokemon?
Edited by: SimplyAJ ( / simplyaj )
Rules and Explanations Rules: (1) Only use the one Pokémon in Battle, others for HMs are fine. (2) No Items in battle (3) No Glitches* (4) Set Mode (5) No saving in the Elite Four (6) No evasion moves
Badge Boost "Glitch" Explanation: When you collect odd numbered badges the game boosts a stat by 12.5%. Brock gives ATK, Surge DEF, Koga SPE, and Blaine SPC (in game text is wrong). When any of your stats are modified (even by you using a move like Withdraw, or your opponent using Leer) the badge boosts are re-applied. So If you use Swords Dance, you also gain *an additional 12.5% in Speed/Defence/Special (on top of the 12.5% you were supposed to be getting). When you level up, the game corrects this error, and only the non-glitch 12.5% remains. Because of how difficult it is to avoid, I've allowed for it to be exploited, since opponents will spam Leer/Growl anyways, and this way battles are less random. Red/Blue are extremely buggy, so there's always going to be some glitches present, and because of how unavoidable this one is, it is allowed in runs, and considered more like a special Generation 1 mechanic as opposed to a glitch. - เกม
It's so funny imagining Bellsprout shooting hyper beam after hyper beam out of its cute nozzle mouth while Dragonite hides behinder 1000 barriers
They probably make it shoot out of it's leaves. Kind of like how snorlax shoots from his eyes instead of his mouth the way he clearly should.
The difference between this and the Oddish run is a testament to how amazing this series is. Loved the strategies used here.
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Well said Mr Laverty.
I guess there's a reason they decided to establish a tower dedicated to just this one Pokémon in Johto. It's just that good!
But only if you know how to use it!
Kinda weird to think about it now that one of the very first new areas of a brand new generation of Pokémon is dedicated to a previous generation Pokémon
@@Ironclad_Calves I thought that was interesting but I loved the nosltagia the music had being in Sprout Tower
I remember I used to make fun of those guys for worshipping such a weak pokemon.
Then I watched this series, and turns out that Bellsprout is better than Moltres. Oops.
@@cubedmelons876 I always thought they worshipped Bellsprout for being such a Zen pokemon (doing that belly movement like the tower could represent breathing, which is a fundamental meditation technique).
In the US Army, there are “commissioned officers”, generally shortened to “officers” (lieutenant, captain, major, general, etc) and “non-commissioned officers” (sergeant, I think technically corporal). NCOs are promoted from within the ranks, meaning privates get promoted to corporals to sergeants and so on.
Officers, on the other hand, are basically recruited from outside the military through college programs or military academies. They basically have a bachelor’s degree in Army, and start as a lieutenant.
This means that a lieutenant starts out very young a lot of the time, as young as 22, and has a rank parallel to an NCO who may have spent over a decade reaching their rank. (This is a plot point in Saving Private Ryan, if I’m not mistaken).
This means that you don’t demote a lieutenant. You kick them out. Former Lieutenant Surge was probably discharged for his incompetence
Great explanation, thank you!
I wonder if he was "discharged" (get it?!) for the war crime of zapping his enemies into paralysis with electric Pokemon 🤪
@@thekiss2083 no way. Pokemon were used for war hundreds of years ago as seen in X&Y. I figured he had developed a medical condition thereby not allowing him to perform his duties.
Actually private can become a Commissioned Officer if they go to school for 4 years and apply for OCS. I was a Sergeant in the Army for 5 and a half years
Also, isn’t Admiral a navy term? That wouldn’t apply at all, right?
I think this vs the oddish run highlights just how insane special sweeping was in gen 1, growth basically equals calm mind and there are way fewer effective special walls than physical. Even a pokemon with relatively bad type and stats like bellsprout can deal with so many threats by just setting up six growths.
I mean even in modern Pokemon a +6 +6 Bellsprout would be crazy strong but your other points still stand
Also it’s not just +6 +6 but also had badge boosts in all stats. Not only are it’s other stats like defense speed and at higher. But it’s special is even boosted far beyond +6.
@@LQVaughn its basically +8 +8 +2 +2 +2 iirc
Amnesia is way better in competitive but in these runs growth might just be better because of badge boost, as you don't get as many with amnesia
@@Bacchus325 True but growth wouldn't provide sp. def boosts in modern pokemon, and like I said there are a lot more checks to calm mind sweepers in later generations with many more specially bulky pokemon, and the introduction of steel+dragon resist types. You also have more priority moves and fast physical attackers that could ohko boosted bellsprout, as exemplified with how much more trouble this run could have had if there were more enemy teams with pokemon like aerodactyl or gyarados. Basically gen 1 was an unbalanced mess, but I love seeing how different this run was from oddish as a result of the busted mechanics working in its favor.
Surge has been playing so well he's been promoted.
Promoted to Civillian
Dsishonorably discharged surge
In the anime, there was a trainer called Jeanette Fisher at the Indigo Conference. She beat Ash's Bulbasaur and Pikachu after she was down to her deceptively strong Bellsprout, but Muk took care of it. No wonder it did well in this run lol.
Granted Ash isn't exactly the smartest trainer
My fave episode and my fave gen1 Pokèmon!!!
I hated Bellsprout so much because of this. Actually, i still kinda do.
@@TheBasedDonHolybut all his pokemon aside from pidgeotto were pretty OP, Bulbasaur and pikachu especially
Was a fun ep and gave Muk a chance to shine.
The anime is/was at its best when it stuck to pokémon rules but still found suprising ways in using the mons, like the incredible fighting bellsprout or the Ditto that could not transform right.
I wanna see Clefairy. There's a rumor it was meant to be the real mascot of the game and is a highly customizable Pokemon moveset wise. I think it would make an interesting run
I agree, this would definitely be fun to see.
One big issue i see with Clefairy is Brock
@@MadMalMan idk about that. Jrose has done some absolutely terrible pokemon against Brock. May have to over level. But it works out. Lol. Amazing idea!
@@lmfaook.7971 Agreed, I don't think it could do worse than Abra against Brock
I could see level 13 clefairy. Get rid of most pp before battle. Geodude with pound and sing then a few growls and sing on onix and finish with struggle
Loving the consistency with the content lately, JRose!
I know I love these there so good
He got an editor I think. Much less burnout.
@@YOSSARIAN313 I know that’s the truth. I do solo runs for a hobby and having to manually edit everything not only slows you down but makes you spend double the time. That’s the benefits of having a quarter of a million subscribers and getting more views in an hour than I get in months, lmao.
Came here to post this…the consistency is LEGENDARY right now
@@GymLeaderMatt1987 I haven’t posted in over a month because I have to edit my own videos. It’s such a drag dude
The fact that bellsprout & oddish were so different is exactly why I love these videos
It's amazing how big a difference a throwaway move like "wrap" can make in the early game. Granted "wrap" is much better in gen one than other generations.
Bellsprout is an absolute GIGAChad
Thabk you
I remember that Bellsprout-Victreebell was part of my ORIGIONAL first-playthrough team in 1998. Happy days.
Same for me mate, in pkmn Blu I always used to pick Bellsprout in my team because of Razor leaf and the cheap strategy Stun Spore - Wrap
Same, but I evolved it way too early :(
@@melrauko sorry to hear mate. back then, as a child, we didn't know better^^
my first run ended up being a blastoise solo run. iirc i read the pc in oaks lab that mentioned bringing your strongest pokemon to the elite four, didnt know that pokemon was both the plural and singular and misunderstood it to mean that i could only take one pokemon to the elite four. my moveset would probably have been something along the lines of surf, hydro pump, strength and skull bash.
@@darkraidisciple8717 haha, this makes me think of my first game: pokemon diamond in english, as a non-english speaking kid. I didnt know REVIVES existed and what they did. So i thought that in the elite four gauntlet when a pokemon fainted, it was useless. Needless to say, my infernape was almost level 80 (oh and it had rock smash on it instead of close combat lol) when i finally beat cynthia. It was both the most horrible and satisfying gaming experience of my life :)
When I was a kid, I didn't have Pokemon Red. I had Pokemon Blue. So I have more affinity for Bellsprout and Vulpix than for Oddish and Growlithe.
Same here
I have more affinity for Vulpix even though I had Pokemon Red. Ninetales is just too cute. Lucky for me, my brother had Pokemon Blue and we even had cable to transfer.
I was sad as a kid getting fire because vulpix was my favorite
Vulpix was always a favorite of mine!
Did you know?
Pokemon red was originally named Pokemon Purple
Bellsprout looking like a realllyyyy sick bird 😂
I was never invested in the Bellsprout line as a kid, but man, this video demonstrates that I was missing out. Thank you for another incredible run, Jrose!
I am asking myself if there will be a final video, after every Gen 1 solo run, discussing the tier list and the journey
There are some questions that we just don't ask. Do trainers eat their Pokemon? Will this series ever have a final episode?
@@NarutoxinZ is it true Shaq has a 16 inch black hammer?
@@NarutoxinZ 150 episodes at minimum
@@NarutoxinZ People *do* eat Pokémon. It's confirmed in the Anime as well as in the Pokédex. 😄
@@igorlopes8463 Not quite. Caterpie, Metapod and Kakuna are impossible to complete.
Love seeing karma served so fast seeing Ekans get ''wrapped'' up quickly. haha Bellsprout's better move pool really helped save time with the early game. Love your runs, thanks for all the time you put into them!
Bellsprout is a nice Pokemon, especially considering its place in Kanto’s Pokedex.
I really wanna see scyther. It’s in the running for most badass design of Gen 1 imo, so it’d be interesting to see how it stacks up in a solo run. Plus you could do Pinsir as a double feature right after to see how the big bad bugs compare to each other, if they aren’t so similar that it feels monotonous
Poorly. It's all stats and no movepool.
@@jordanthejq12 judging by the stat calculations I ran if scyther got twin needle it would ohko all the psychics. It ohkos mewtwo 90% of the time after a swords dance. If mewtwo is paralyzed it just straight up loses. Scyther would be top 5 in the game. Pinsir would probably also be OU if it got twin needle.
Scyther actually gets only Normal type moves in RB, so it will have to pull an Eevee and use Bide against the Ghosts in the Pokémon Tower and Mimic will be mandatory for Agatha. Pinsir fares a little better in this regard as it at least gets Seismic Toss, but it also levels up slower which can be a curse or a blessing depending on how much he Badge boost glitches. While both get Swords Dance, unlike Pinsir who at least gets TM Body Slam, Scyther has no moves to really take advantage of it very well since Slash always crits, Take Down and Double Edge have recoil, Skull Bash takes two turns and TM Hyper Beam is pretty out of the way and Jrose usually avoids getting it. Scyther also has more weaknesses due to its Flying typing, so I can see Surge and Lorelei being an issue for it but not Pinsir. Needless to say, Brock will be awful for both as they only have a weak Normal type move to start off with.
Haven't watch the video yet, just wanted to say before hand: I love the consistency lately, good stuff!
Bellsprout was my favorite Pokemon to draw as a kid. I outlined it in white out like "look! it's evolving!"
Huh.... well, that makes that one Bellsprout in the Pokemon League in the first season of Pokemon much more believable! Excellent video as always!
I'm looking forward to "Can You Beat Pokemon Red/Blue with Just a MissingNo?"
I'd like to thank insomnia for keeping me up long enough to catch this as it dropped.
I feel you bro
Same.
Same here
It's because of me sleeping off some bad food, but I'm vaguely enough in your same boat.
Same
Loving the consistency and you're almost 1/3rd through the dex. I'm actually super stoked for Porygon and the fossils
I love the Bellsprout line, in fact my first ever competitive team was a Sun/Growth/Weather Ball Victreebell team. So glad to see my dude get a high ranking. Great video as always
Please tell me that team lol I wanna use it
I'm ringing that bell after this. My love of this channel has just sprouted! I'd be weeping if you ever stopped making videos and this one is another victory!
Upvoted for the puns 10/10.
Cheese is a great choice for a name！
Justice for Grass types, bring back Gen 1 autocrit razor leaf!
"Enjoy the power trip while it lasts" cit.
I'd say no or lol, but Game FrEAk keeps making literal auto-crit moves so this now sounds like something they could actually do if they moved it back up to being a relatively high-level move.
I don't know exactly why, but I'm addicted to your runs! thanks for keeping doing them ❤️
This is honestly one of my favorite series to watch on TH-cam. I get so pumped when I see a new upload. Thank you sir, I really do appreciate your hard work!!
Ma man is pumping quality content like it’s nothing! Caught the odish vid right before a flight, and now I am catching this video just before the flight back 😂😂😂 can’t wait to watch this on the plane!
Good effort on the new intro, it's got me to comment after watching all of your videos at least twice. I have also just woken up and I agree with everyone else, mad respect for the consistency even after that emotional Oddish run.
Love the content as always, Jrose! Have you ever considered doing a 3 way race between Magmar, Electabuzz and Jynx to see who can beat the Elite 4 and Rival fastest?
I'd love to see my boy Electabuzz win, but the smart money would be on Jynx
Magmar has insane coverage tho compared to the other two.
@@ramenkingcruz A fair point. But does Magmar have a cool spiky hairstyle and vampire fangs? Nah, but Electabuzz gotcha covered 😎
Fantastic idea!
I like how your cheese and the rival is Liam lol, nice reference
He streams at the perfect times for an insomniac like myself!
i wasn't expecting another grass run ,especially after how much of a nightmare oddish was but glad to be pleasantly surprised! i always adored the bellsprout line when i was a kid so its nice to see it get some appreciation!
Great run JRose! It was crazy to see how two Pokémon who seem so similar can perform soooo much differently. Well done!
Thanks for what you're doing. It may sound weird but I often have difficulty to get asleep and your runs and voice definitely help me so. Keep doing the good work :)
Glad to see you putting out more content. It's always a good watch.
Paused another video to watch this once I saw there was a video, Jrose has been on fire with uploads, great stuff man!
Thank you Jrose for giving me a reason to smile on a sad day. Keep up the good work! 🔥
Just wanna say thank you for all the effort you put into your videos, it is very much appreciated. Love to listen to you while working
Victreebell is actually one of the best gen 1 Pokémon competitively, though for completely different reasons to this playthrough.
Is it gonna be something dumb like Victreebell's ability to wrap + toxic enemies to death?
@@LeCheckmate I don't know, stalling with very bad defense/bad speed and psy weakness in Gen1 is hard
But it 100% look like a gen1 build
@@LeCheckmate Victreebell was great at handling paralysed Starmie and Exeggutor and had access to wrap and sleep powder, making it easy to get opponents into ko range (plus it used to be able to 6-0 the most common teams at the time). It did however fall off once people started using Chansey to absorb paralysis (now it can't be put to sleep) and it gets wrecked by Zam, Starmie, and Eggy if they're not paralysed. So now it's UU.
@@LeCheckmate and funfact: toxic is actually terrible in gen 1. If a toxiced pokemon switches out, it becomes regular poisoned because of a glitch. Not worthy except in very niche scenarios.
Hey there JRose, another great one. Made me bust out laughing at Crewman Serge. So next victory means he'll be Recruit Serge, right? Anyway, still waiting for the James run with Koffing. Take care, dude.
The Bellsprout line’s my favorite Grass Pokémon in Gen 1 so I’m happy to see it do so well. I can’t wait for the Weepinbell and Victreebell runs!
Amen brother
I only liked the bellsprout line thanks to Victreebell eating James’ head 😂 also why I like Carnivine
Seriously the bellsprout line is so underrated
Victreebel will be a beast!
congrats on the successful and very quick run! It's nice to see a suprising pokemon like this every once in a while!
Was looking forward to bellsprout. That was a nice surprise video, thanks dude! Super fun as always!
This guy doesn’t sleep
You either.
I think you were safe against Dragonite anyway, didn't "Good AI" dictate that Dragonite would only use Psychic moves against a part-Poison Pokemon like Bellsprout?
As long as he didn't knock himself out with Struggle, then he was fine. Which probably could only happen if he ran out of PP right as Lance used a hyper potion. It still would have cost Bellsprout time to waste all of its Sleep Powders and Growths.
I think what I love the most is how much more fun you are having with these runs. I want to think having an editor is taking a lot off your shoulders, you feel more free to create and continue to create.
I'm so glad that you are doing lots of these challenges in a row keep it up!
This has been the run I've been waiting for years
This was a cool run, went smoother than I expected.
The difference between this run and the Oddish run really highlights a big thing I love about this series, which is how it really puts each Pokemon you do a run with to the test. Nothing about them is irrelevant. Everything they can do is on the table. It's a really fascinating deep dive into how each Pokemon functions, and also made me think about how the main story of Gen I is designed, the assumptions is makes about the player's team and general game state each step of the way that are mostly invisible until you do something like this that renders them incorrect.
Your videos are always so intriguing and a joy to watch! I'm looking forward to future episodes!
I love that you’ve been putting out more content lately. Love the channel!
This may be one of the greatest Pokémon TH-cam series.
Oh for sure. It blows my mind that his channel isn't bigger. This series is such an interesting concept
100% dude.
Genuinely amazed you were able to do this at such a low level
Makes me wonder how Oddish would do just by getting Growth lol
Its nice. I've watched almost all of the videos, and as a result I can drive and listen to these and have a great experience because of how good the narration is.
Really lovin how much awesome stuff youve been puttin out recently man, good shit dawg
Sick the perfect thing to listen to as I'm trying to sleep at 4:00 am
Just watched the entire thing and I'm still not close to asleep. Pray for me
I can't imagine how satisfying it must have been to just slap Brock's onix to death after that Oddish run
Keep it up, Jrose. Always the highlight of my day when I see that you’ve uploaded
This was great. I loved how much you applied what you learned from the Oddish run to make this one of the most optimized runs I've seen. Looking forward to exeggute and maybe Psyduck, but other than that, most of the pre-evolved pokemon we have left aren't that interesting. Although, we still haven't done Machop, so that'll probably be the hardest Pokemon we have left to do
Bellsprout's R/B backsprite is terrifying
Interesting thing about Lt Surge is he's canonically French, due to the fact that when you trade with him in HGSS, the Pikachu he gives you is French. Also in the French (and German) anime dub he's called Major Bob. So if you demote him far enough you can start calling him Bob Surge, or just Bob
Isn’t he literally called “The Lightning American”?
I believe in all other versions of the game he gives you an English Pikachu, so I believe he is supposed to be American
@@pretzeldude77maybe he's Canadian bilingual English and French? 😂
Loving the regular videos. No pressure to keep it up but I mean it's great you're feeling good enough to be making regular videos again.
Jesus you're on the grind lately. Appreciate it
Love the intro, very creative :D
Finally, we're getting the intro back... sort of 😄
I was confused as well first 😄
Always look forward to these videos, Jrose!! Cant wait until we eventually have the whole OG cast
So excited to see another video this quickly!
I absolutely love your videos!!
I’m really excited for when we get deep enough into this series to visit the evolved forms of these Pokémon. I’m curious if their relative first form performances will predict how well the final forms do.
I have done ratitac to see and he did 2h less than rattata, also i was playing with normal speed so idk how to calculate real time rattata would have done with normal game speed
@@bretonquentin9549 interesting! What level did you end up finishing the game at?
Level 69, but i used all my rare candy and done elite 4 without struggling that much, so i think it's doable at lower level :)
I always preferred Oddish but man I didn’t expect Bellsprout to do this well. Very impressed
J on the grind. Always happy to see a new video and you getting your mojo back.
Also great spins on the intro jingle.
Excellent choice taking my suggestion and doing Bellsprout next! Always love these Stage 1 challenges, I’m still waiting for a Koffing run too btw!
Love the vids! Would love to see more Fire Red challenges!
“I was running low on acid”
this is why these videos stay interesting. on the surface, I expected a very similar run to oddish, but that was definitely not the case!
That final battle had my heart beating so fast! Great video Jrose! Bellsprout was a machine!
So when can we expect the victreebell run? Interesting to see how it'd do since bellsprout did so well
James from Team Rocket agrees 😂
Bellsprout is actually my first ever solo run i got inspired by mahdaybread( sorry if incorrect) and it was so fun i don't remember the level but i used my strategy to defeat and leveled up to 100 after defeating for fun.
Edit- Growth reminder till end and i used it almost all the time it's really good
hahahahahahahah the last 2 jingles have been hilarious, please keep that up if you can keep thinking up funny ideas (or keep it as is, this one is funny!)
Keep up the great work dude, you're awesome
Good effort man! Smashed it out the park!
Let’s see Pinsir next!!
In Sergeant/Corporal/Private/whatever Surge's defence (Sergeant Surge actually sounds good), you skip him until much later in runs where he actually has any advantage. if he was in Misty's position and his battle was necessary to use Cut in the field, he'd probably put up a lot more wins, like Misty herself. I wonder how the gym leaders decide amongst themselves who gets to give permission slips to use the various HMs. That'd be an interesting debate.
By the by, I haven't played gen 1 myself in about 15 years. How far can you actually get without Cut? Can you get to Celadon?
Nope, there's a Cut tree blocking the east exit from Cerulean, and Snorlax lies to the east of Vermillion (though you can use Route 11 for some emergency XP before your next Gym). You can go north to Bill's, after which point the way to Vermillion opens. You can clear the SS Anne and get Cut there, but you cannot leave the Cerulean/Vermillion throughway without beating Misty.
@@jordanthejq12 Thank you mate. It was surprisingly difficult to get a real answer from search engines. I think because the results just assume you're playing the game normally and not looking to sequence break it to the max possible extent. :)
Oh my god! ... On the Oddish vid I commented "I've been waiting for an Oddish or Bellsprout run" and now he's done both! Thanks Jrose!
On one hand, the consistency of the channel is certainly much appreciated.
Keep the vids coming! I watch them all from start to finish!
Note: Having done a run of this myself, you can make it to at least the Elite Four on minimum battles, but it requires very luck based strategies based on Sleep Powder and Growth.
In my opinion the moveset here was too complicated. Literally sleep powder, growth, razor leaf, and mega drain will carry you through the entire run all on their own. Growth is just that busted. Still, awesome video! Thanks, jrose! 😁
Another great video, these are so fun to watch even as someone who isn't into this style of play
Thanks for all the uploads Jrose, one of the best creators on TH-cam!
The battle between Dragonite and Bellsprout was absolutely hilarious 😂
I think Oddish was uniquely difficult in ways that were unprecedented and unforeseen and I am not surprised that Bellsprout has an easier time at least in the early game
I'd quite like to see you try doing runs with Snorlax, Aerodactyl, the other fossils, Jynx, Lickitung, and Mr. Mime
I actually did this run before. Bellsprout was a BEAST! I only had 1 extra battle with a single wild Pokemon since I struggled a little with Blue.
Loving all the content lately! Keep up the great work!!
The new intro style is amazing, keep it up!
Hey I'm doing a new glitch nuzlocke, your vids are helping me figure stuff out so thx!
Hey just a question, do you think you will ever continue your old catch’em all series? I really enjoyed those videos when they came out, but it’s been 4 years since the last one and I’m wondering why you gave up on the series. At least an explanation would be nice, thank you very much
Why are you so entitled?
@@tb109987 chill out
@@merrysleeps I wasn't talking to you and I asked a simple, non invasive, light hearted question
Hey, this is the internet. When we see a douche we call them out.
Keep up the great work bro!! Always a pleasure to see you vids and drops
I’ve played this game 100 times over since it was released, and every time I watch these vids it’s like I’ve never played it before. Good job my man for making it interesting
Love you buddy, keep up the good work. Your videos have been helping me through a really tough time lately.