Asmon projects his opinion of cosmetics being irrelevant to everything even when he talks about how he wants to play characters that look like idealized forms of himself and disregards the argument that a majority of people care about customization and these companies use predatory practices to have them subsidize the game for people like him.
those cosmetics are valuable because you earn them by doing hard things in the game, no one cares about a skin anyone can get by spending 20 dollars compared to a skin you get by doing a challenge during a hard mode raid
My only real problem with Battle Passes is that they usually are on a timer, which just unhealthily pushes you into playing for the pass, rather than fun.
my understanding has always been a battle pass is the dlc on a deal, you get a discount for buying them in bulk. I didn't know there were games that expired that pass. What BS.
Im pretty sure thats one of the main reasons they add a battle pass. It makes people have to constantly play the game in order to unlock everything. It helps inflate the concurrent player numbers.
I didn't spend any money on lootboxes in OW1, and I was able to complete the collection just from level-ups & weekly rewards & endorsements. The amount of free lootboxes you got in OW1 for free made it very consumer friendly. Yes, being able to buy the lootboxes is bad, but the amount you got for free never incentivized me to buy them.
i didnt even play OW1 much (30 something hours total) and i have quite a bit of skins. (not everything obviously but a lot considering the time played)
Well.. think of it this way. You spent $60 and got years and years of new cosmetic content coming out. So they kept spending more and more money on the devs, without getting any more money for their game (because it wasn’t attracting new players). The way OW2 is makes it better for new players, but worse for those same players if they play as much as you did
I would like to hear Asmon's opinion if WoW gone completely free to play, but all transmog, pets, mounts, emotes would be in the battlepass or in the shop.
@@CJMattias overwatch isn't counter strike. Characters have depth, lore and their visuals is pretty essential to a vast part of the comunity. You could say that you can rip anything visual from wow and keep theorycrafting and gearbuilding, as visual don't "affect" your gameplay. But that's only one side of the game.
@@АртемТрубін-д2в thats not a argument at all everything has lore nowadays even moblie games. at the end of the day you don't need skins to play the game and if your going to play a game thats F2P then you cant really get mad when they change how skins work comparing a mmorpg to a fps just doesnt work cuz in a mmorpg the fun of the game is the world but in a fps game the gameplay is the most important and not the world
Only had about 150 hours in the first game, yet I got atleast 1 legendary on every champion. The coin system was also good, every new event you could have enough coins to buy whatever you want for your main.
A lot of people that don’t play overwatch have a lot to say about ow1 lootboxes... if you guys played a lot you would know how irrelevant the lootboxes were nobody complained about not getting skins never bought 1 in 6 years
yeah i didnt understand asmon's take on this, he's like "ahhh its the same shit people used to spend loads of money on lootboxes". I have yet to meet a single soul that bought lootboxes in overwatch. even I, a casual player who only played here and there, on and off, managed to get quite a few legendaries, epics, highlight intros, there are few characters i dont have at least one legendary for. I feel really bad for people that start to play this game now, cuz i personally would NEVER pay that amount for a skin, especially when most overwatch skins ARENT all that. they are not on the level of let's say a fortnite, or a league of legends skin.
Still many ppl did buy lootboxes, they made billions on ow1. I don't think they were irrelevant, there were a lot of complaints on the price and rates.
@@JrKengu asmongold is intentionally messing with blizzard Overwatch is decent and yes it is not balanced at all but its fun and optimized for every tier rig Atleast all they use is “cosmetics” How can they earn money if they dont sell anything game is freetoplay ffs
@@goldenplectrum9695 whatever you just said has ZERO relevance to what I was talking about, but okay. as to your "all they use is cosmetics" point, that is not true. If you are someone who DIDNT buy overwatch 1, you also have to grind out heroes through the battle pass, which is insane, when you compare the aqcuisition method to another free to play game, such as league of legends. Oh, and by the way, most people that play overwatch "2" have paid full $60 price for overwatch 1. If any other developer did what blizzard did it would be outrageous, but for blizzard, this is just a normal monday. Definitely THE greediest game company i know.
Asmon's become one of those "well it could be worse" people. Just because they've implemented something less greedy doesn't mean what's replaced it isn't anti consumer. I don't expect him to see how he's in the wrong there but thankfully many don't seem to agree with him on that part. I was going to say it's good he hasn't supported these companies greed till he started naming how much he spent on Diablo immortal and how much he spent on Lost Ark in a single day
yeah but if you did your research or watched when he did it. He did it to prove a point and expose the greed. To use his popularity to show many and take the hit out of his own pocket to save others money. I mean if he didnt spend money on diablo i might of he saved me time and cash.
@@doyouevenrage9323 I dont know why people keep parroting this Josh's informative video on diablo immortal alone has more views than all of Asmon's diablo immortal streams. He clearly did it for content more than anything.
i played since beta and i never had to pay for a single skin in overwatch, the reason for it was that if you play out of season you would just get infinite dupes of grey to purple loot which ment when you get to the new skins you can buy 3-4 for free.
So clear that he never played the game and is just riding the hype train for views. Literally has no clue about anything but acts like hes the leading expert. Hes turning into Hasan which is so cringe
I cant believe I would ever get to this point but man do I miss grinding that holiday event to sit down and open a batch of lootboxes in anticipation for the cool new skins...
Asmons got a pretty bad take with the monetization changes. I never once bought a loot box in overwatch, earned em through playing. Got every skin I wanted with the exception of some holiday ones I missed. Only people who bought loot boxes were morons and whales who wanted to look cool but couldn't invest a few hours a day to play. It was definitely a better system of monetization then the new ow2 one by a longshot.
@Grima the Fell Dragon youd have all the skins in ow1 even with bad RNG with less money spent as you would in ow2 though. so i dont see how this is an argument.
Or those with horrifyingly bad rng. When they turned duplicate rate up, I had to pretty much save for whatever I wanted because I would almost never see a legend drop and if it did, it was a disgustingly bad compared to everything else on character I never touched. Hell I had all of junkrats skins before I even touched him
@GrimatheFellDragon i own almost everything pre OW2 just from playing, never spent a cent on it. explain how i can do that as a new player in OW2. to my knowledge you cant because its predatory
@Grima the Fell Dragon Compare to a system that preys on people highly addictive personality risks such as collections? OW's gambling was finite in two ways: 1. you'll unlock everything 2. if you get repeats, you got money to buy anything you want. In OW over a course of month you'll have far more skins and emotes etc. and made enough money to buy whatever with paying a dime. In OW2 the equivalent will only give you one skin. It's not even close.
Yes but you are judging the pre-release. It's entirely possible that if you buy the retail version of the game that you will give the battle pass free for the life of the game. It's two months later and they already made Kiriko free.
@@SheinelI his problem is he doesn't realize that average ow1 player has half of the items owned via these free lootboxes. He doesn't understand that there were a lot of these free lootboxes, you got multiple per day just by playing whatever gamemode you wanted however you want. I don't know anyone who felt that they are short on lootboxes and have to buy them for bucks
@@rinkashikachi Er, dude just cause you didn't know the dude didn't mean there was not guys buying these things. It's a literal slot machine they put into the game that they gave you free samples with of course there are gonna be people who are more to prone to buying them that got hooked on. It's fking evil dude.
@@Thaumaturge2251 not really. I don't have a single friend who spent a single cent on ow lootboxes because you could just farm coins and buy them/get them on a free lootbox. Sure there are people who spend money on buying them but that's an insanely small part of the community, and a really loud minority was against having lootboxes at all when the majority of the playerbase were content with how the system was. The problem here isn't the lootbox system, it's how companies still don't have good countermeasures to prevent kids from accessing these "gambling" mechanics. Honestly, just make age verification a thing like google does and restrict buying lootboxes to kids and noone should have a reason to complain anymore
Asmon got trashed on while playing OW2, raged quit the game, said he’ll never play it again because he hates it, and then ended his stream. His NOW somewhat positive opinion regarding the game is laughable. The circle of individuals who he talks to regarding their opinion of the game is very one sided. These are people whose entire lively hoods depend on the game. They probably have 1000s of hours playing and probably streaming the game. They have a vested interest. Regular players are not impressed.
my main issue with asmon right here. its always obvious how disconnected he's become by his success. to him, its a business expense, so he doesn't care. in fact, he's done more harm than good by setting a poor example on stream, whaling like crazy in casino-based "games" such as lost ark.
He's wrong about it being free. I paid for Overwatch 1. They literally took that away. Took away the product I paid for and replaced it with this. Overwatch 1 players paid for this. They literally did. And they got the rug pulled out from under them and handed this and told "it's free, shut up". This isn't what they paid for. This isn't what I paid for. I haven't installed Overwatch 2 and never will. Blizzard has burned its bridges for me for years to come. I've spent money in HOTS. I was a WoW player for over a decade. Done with this garbage company.
I didt spend any money in OW1 and still got a shitton of skins, Not only did you get legendary skins. But you got coins AND coins for duplicates. wich meant you could buy skins aswell as getting them for free. And every event you got a few boxes for just participating. Loot boxes sucks but in compirason it actually felt somewhat rewarding.
Asmon, the reason Battle Passes are bad is because it turns gaming into a chore, just another job in our day to day lives. We play video games to relax, not to clock in and out. I think since you're more in tune with MMOs you don't understand how absolutely irritating it is to fire up a game and see a list of objectives you have to complete that day. The fact that Battle Passes monopolize your time is what is wrong. Maybe sometimes I want to play other games... Maybe some days I want to play, say... Dragon Quest 11, but then oh crap... Gotta do my dailies for Fallout 76. 4 hours of grinding dailies later, and now... I feel tired and not even wanting to touch a controller to play that sweet, sweet Dragon Quest. More games need to be like Elden Ring and other Souls games. Play the game and beat it, that's it. No need to slap on dailies, nothing. I still play it all the time because PVP and new character builds are great. I will buy the DLC when it comes out, and that is how supporting a company really should be.
That's only if it's a bad battle pass. Games like Fallout 76 don't respect your time. I got Fallout First for a month and put in about 100 hours maybe more, and still only got 3/4 of the way done maybe. Fortnite is a great one to bring up having a great pass because I never felt like it was a long grind. Even at the start of the season levels are easy to get, and it actually gets easier to level up the closer the season is to ending since the amount of weekly challenges add up. Edit: I looked up my hours for Fallout 76, and in 1 season I put in 168 hours, and still didn't finish it.
the BP and the challenges are entirely optional, you're not required to do them and they offer absolutely no advantage to you to do them, you just do them if you want them. incentivizing people to play the game more and rewarding them for it without punishing people who dont is a good thing
@@16BitKamek The point isn't necessarily the time spent; 76 was used merely as an example. The point is that there should be no obligation involved in gaming. People shouldn't have to log into the same game everyday and do tasks to get something. They should be free to choose to play any game they want with no commitment. Commitment is for things outside gaming. Gaming is meant to be sitting back and enjoying your time off, picking a flavor you want to be immersed in that moment... Not "OH crap, gotta log into Red Dead Online to do my dailies."
@@Axetomouthh Factually incorrect statement. Many Battle Passes come with unlockable in-game advantages, not just cosmetics. Then they time-gate these advantages to create FoMo, instead of just having them always available in-game. 76 is once again an excellent example, since many seasons come loaded with camp items that provide status buffs or automatically generate supplies for you.
"The Long Dark" was a great example of early access. They released a sandbox version with most of the functionality then released the story mode for free with tons of updates that didn't break the game.
@@itsdinkd1771 Subnautica is a terrible example, the game remains buggy as hell, scarred by an early access release that never forced them to fix it. I love the game, its probably in my top 10 all time, but its busted as hell.
not everyone has the luxury to play games for a long time. Id rather pay for the skin directly before wasting the same on lootboxes and only getting garbage
The truth: OW2 is good exclusively because OW1 was good, you just forgot it was good because you haven't played it in 4 years. It's really that simple.
In OW1 you could pay $60 for loot boxes and most of the event items if you didn't decide to play during the event a lot and get a lot of the event items for free. Now for that you get just 2 skins.
How can asmon say he doesn't care about cosmetics? Imagine if WoW went free to play and made every mount in the game only available through the in-game shop, including all the old mount drops, it's no different to the shit OW2 has pulled.
I agree, The main thing about it IMO is that the gameplay part was complete, we missed lore and some background progression, but the game was it, I didn't feel like losing time playing the early access
Yeah except in order for anyone to buy the boxes you needed to put down $60 for the game so be honest about that and also, it's that $60 pricetag that made it possible for lootboxes to have protection against duplicates and bad luck rng, there is no other lootbox in the f2p market that does that and that was primarily because of the original pricetag because that OW1 lootbox is not profitable the way it was set up, not in a f2p market.
@@ammox4683 Why everyone ignores fcking HoTS? U have great system in hots. U get lootboxes with levels, every 5 levels u also get additional currency to buy heroes and every 25 lvls u get premium currency. U have duplicates system that gives u currency to buy things u like, and u still can buy every skin with just money. Great fcking system AND its F2P. Ofc its kinda long to get something rly high price, but u still CAN do that. 60$ pricetag is a bullsht argument man, we have a lot of examples of pretty good f2p systems, that allow people get something from the game. The insanity is that HoTS is also made by blizzard, and their system is 10x better than LoL/Fortnite system for players. But in OW2 u just get nothing. Timegates and 20$ skins, what a great deal.
For me it's just the fact that you would get a bunch of free skins through free loot boxes. I played overwatch 1 for around 600-700 hours and obtained almost all legendary skins. Now, I can't get a single one (outside of doing challenges for like 3 months), without paying. That being said, it is a little funny to me, that people were complaining that loot boxes are too rng, whereas now where you just purchase them straight, people are still complaining.
and you got them on the spot, you didnt pay, to play the game over weeks, and waste what you paid if you didnt play the game if you didnt finish it in time like you pay for a game. the game is there, you will always have that game you play a battlepass and then dont have time to actually do it because of life, your problem. money is gone, no rewards battle pass should be 100 % free but you have to play to get it, and if you pay for battle pass you get every single reward as soon you play. pay to play to get rewards is literally a scam
When you're speaking from the perspective of a person that doesn't have to worry about how much money you spend then it makes sense you don't find some of these practices bad. The negative side of It doesn't really affect you
"you didn't HAVE to buy lootboxes to get skins. You could just earn em by playing the game. Part of the incentive to play was to level up and get a lootbox FOR FREE and hope you got the skin you wanted or duplicates so you got currency to buy the skin you wanted FOR FREE. Now the only real cosmetics you can get are strictly paywalled. This is one of the absolute worst monetization decisions they could've made." - 1000% True, 1000% Real statement. You also were more likely to obtain things you didn't already have collected, if you owned the majority, or all of the unlockables in Overwatch one. - don't even have a Classic 6v6 Overwatch game-mode, 'most money grubbing retards on one payroll' award goes to Activision Blizzard
I earned enough lootboxes from playing the game so I never had to buy lootboxes. It was a joke in my friend circle about just how many they gave you. Streamers had like 10k lootboxes saved up at the end of OW1.
free to play and free lootboxes that gives you everything. yeah this game would have died in its first few months. they have to make lootboxes predatory af to bring back lootboxes again in an f2p game.
i paid for over watch 1 and over watch 1 was shut down for overwatch 2, therefore its not free for those who paid for the game and received a marketing ploy instead of an upgraded game, but instead an overwatch1.5 mockery. In the past, you earned upgrades with playing, now you can only upgrade by buying. also buying. I also liked knowing that a hacker would have to spend another 60 dollars after getting caught.. and now there is no point in playing overwatch, i skipped out on a week of playing overwatch and nothing negative happened and i didnt miss out on anything.
I haven't spent a dime since originally owning the game back in 2015. Got every cosmetic, emote and spray just from playing. Before OW2 came out, I had 200 loot boxes unopened due to me knowing they'd all be duplicates and now I have around 20k in legacy credits I can't use on anything 😅
getting rid of the double tank meta in overwatch 2 was the best decision they have ever made. Overwatch 1 devolved into an ultimate slinging contest, it was basically a stalemate until both teams threw north korean level nukes at the middle of the map and whoever lived ended up winning the match.
As I got older I love being able to watch vids on new games while playing my old single player games. I had my fair share of multiplayer titles but I’ve grown to enjoy other aspects of life.
7:30 this vid is full of bad almost seemingly forced takes but this is probably the worst but Asmon barely even played OW1 so it's not surprising. Each event, with 20 lootboxes you were almost guaranteed at least 1 legendary due to the pity system. You also usually got almost enough currency to get another legendary on top of that. That's not including the few epics, many sprays and emotes you got out of that $20 as well. So idk how 20 lootboxes = $26 legendary skin and spray. You spent less and usually got much more. Also with more and more heroes hitting the game, the price or economy on these skins that are restricted to only 1 of these heroes should diminish as well. In reality that $26 should've gotten you every paid item from the event.
"I don't have any problem with battle passes" "..I didn't even know any of this. I didn't play like...I just logged on. I don't even have a battle pass. I don't know what my battle pass progress is.." Video: "Overwatch 2 intentionally removed the leveling system so that the sole form of progression is the battle pass" "I was wonderin whatever happened to that. Like...I didn't really think about it ever" Asmongold is like a living meme at this point
As of right now there still isn’t a pve mode, like at this point it’s just Overwatch with a 2 slapped on for no reason. They changed the lighting ,colors, and gameplay very very slightly and thought it was good enough.
loot boxes in overwatch 1 didnt force you buy lootboxes for skins... If you played a lot you would have every legendary skin without paying anything. I had for almost all characters and my playtime wasn't even that crazy. THAT is the point.
Ok yeah I played overwatch a lot and didn't get every legendary skin and neither did my friends so you must of played A LOT like no life levels of a lot and that's something a lot of people don't do
@@gamesmaster1060 I played my 9 arcades every week, that's all I did. Had most of the skins. They gave them out for free, maybe not in the beginning but over time they gave skins out for free basically.
@@JVLEGION not cap at all rofl i was able to get most skins too just by playing AI for the xp spam. there is a way you can make it so only a few npc's spawn so its super easy xp farm.
11:14 the BDO suit is no longer an advantage, now it didn't show your name but show (unknow character) as name so you no longer are untraceable like before, I even think is way easier now to track them cuz the name is in caps xD and also in middle of square parenthesis, so is way more easy to track than average normal names xD
Apex, Lol etc you dont swap champs mid game, Overwatch 2 you do which makes having all characters assecable more of a requirement. Imagine you had to buy an item in league before you could buy it ingame, or guns in Apex.
Gotta say I'm not loving Asmon's takes on OW 2 as of recently. It is painfully obvious he doesn't really know what he's talking about when it comes to this game. Giving half ass takes about a game you don't fully understand and comparing its monetization techniques to other very predatory games seems kinda dumb when its previous system was far better. I usually think Asmon gives really good level headed takes but these just make no sense to me. He's acting like every single person spent 10 grand unknowingly on lootboxes which is far from the case. All this new monetization does is make the new player experience way worse and ruin any sort of progression. Not to mention the hero locking issue and other shit blizzard has done. It feels like asmon just sees "Lootboxes bad, battle pass good, therefore there's no issue." The situation is far more complex than that. Asmon focuses more on the uncertainty of a purchase than the actual pricing of it. It is fine to dislike lootboxes, but this system of extremely upcharged skins is far from consumer friendly. Just because the game is free, does not mean it is a better game. Asmongold does not seem to realize that. Just because it is a free game does not relieve itself of criticism. I'll prolly be pretty polarizing with this take but Asmongold really needs to realize that people are still unhappy with this game for a reason, it's not as simple as he's trying to make it out to be.
i think the real reason why people are missing loot boxes is not because they got them by paying, We got the loot boxes for leveling up and progressing in the game or playing the seasonal events or anniversary event. They could put exclusive bundles for sale to buy straight up or have legendary or mythic skins be the only option to be shop only. I really do wish there was a good sense of progression in ow2 other than competitive. Doing the Halloween event has less value now. The game is very fun. Just wish there was more sense of progression.
They could always give u progression by giving u abit of ingame money for leveling up instead of lootloxes. But even if it’s less they won’t do it. They never put out loot boxes to give people free stuff. They always ment it to get people that are weak to gambling by giving them free samples. And even if it dosnt affect the complaining people it’s just nessesairy for others expecialy miniors who can be influenced into a gambling addiction effecting then later in life.
I did yes but I want to stick up for the casual free to play players, I'm not sure if it's accurate but what i've been hearing among other friends is when they announced it to be free it would have a similar free to play model as riot where you play and earn ingame currency to buy heroes or even play long enough to get keys for loot boxes. Compared to riots free to play model, this version of it will be unrealistic for casual free to play players to unlock a hero in a healthy amount of time. for league it took a week or 2, for this it looks like it's going to take a couple of months meeting the daily challenges incentivizing you to buy gold. Imagine what it's going to be like when the new heroes and battle pass comes it will take forever to get the new heroes especially as a new player.
im sorry but the guy that said '' i payed for overwatch 1 '' he is right. ME as a owner of overwatch 1 will get all the characters for free. While people who are new to the game will need to pay for the battlepass to unlock new characters lol. or just play 50h in total like a madman to unlock the character. And if you dont have time to play all day long you are fucked when the new battlepass comes out??????????? Pay2Win bullshit if you ask me. 1 Hero in meta thats strong and you cant play it ,because? Its behind a paywall. Can't support this bullshit at all. And dont give me the shit gambling and lootboxes. The only $ i spent on overwatch is when i bought it when it released ,every skin i wanted i got it for free. Every event skin i wanted i got it for FREE. Every level up you get a box. Every event you get free boxes. Arcade mode gives you 3 loot boxes. Arcade every 3 matches aswell give you a loot box ,you get 6 loot boxes just from playing arcade mode. And xp does not get higher everytime you level up,so for that 1 lootbox when you level up you always need the same amount xp when you reach a certain level. The first levels are the easiest they dont need lots of xp. Wich is again lots of free lootboxes. The Artists acts like they are fucking underpayed lazy ass skins ,lazy ass fucking game. Edit: People comapred the 26€skins to skins that are chromas and they have more detail and more changes and color variants then the actual fucking 26€ skin. Hope this game dies just like fucking overwatch 1 did. Blizzard does not deserve shit.
@@nontoxic9960 Surely Asmon, always honest guy with infinite money who constantly criticized Blizzard will sellout to... Blizzard. To assume things about a person you don't remotely know, or to ask someone to support their claim with evidence in a damn TH-cam comment section, both things make whoever did them (look) dumb. My apologies, won't provide evidence on that one.
15:57 is a perfect summary of how the gaming market actually captures people. If the gameplay is good, I will log back in and try to harvest that dopamine. But attracting a player base is much different than retaining one. Blizzard has been in shambles - and even if this game has enough base gameplay allure to keep people logging on, I wonder how long before the holes in the foundation are too apparent. They're going to REALLY have to listen to the community to keep it alive. But come on Blizzard - We are all loot & juice programmed out here. I just want to come home from a long work day, sit down in my chair and crack my knuckles before I sit down and anxiously pray to the Overwatch Gods for a super t h i c c j u i c e r RNJesus loot drop to pop out of a box. It really is that simple. GIVE ME THE JUICE
OW2 is weird. It's not OW2 - but OW Reimagined. Its Battlepass sucks. The cosmetics store sucks. Some changes to the ranked system are highly questionable at best... ...yet the game itself is *so* much more fun for me with the 5v5 format and new maps + removal of the 2CP gamemode that I'm fully committed to it.
I paid $60 for the Nintendo switch version of OverWatch 1 so that means I paid $60 for OverWatch two. I no longer have access to OverWatch one. This is the only video game I've ever paid for that got taken away from me and then given back for free
Gameplay was terrible and I had a duo at the time. I have no duo anymore, I won't touch it. Op mayhem any game and mayhem is just cc hell. But each time you have your team's resources not touch everyone, 80% of the time you have babies trying to bully the support into carrying the whole team, by enabling everyone to be cocky. PvP is the whole game. PvE is shit. If you can't get along with 2 or 3 other people, you will lose, even if you are pulling your weight, because they leave mid game. This is a joke. 60 coin skin costs are at 1900. Battlepass has the most value and it's the sole thing priced adequately. I bought the deluxe edition and never spent anything within anymore. Overwatch is about interacting with people. I got to play with plenty of masters back in the day. I didn't touch competitive after being gold for myself. That's only relevant, because back then you couldn't play against a master's player, even if they lost 20 times in a row trolling their qp. That means that my above 50% winrate got me to that level and that with 1k+ hours spent gives me the right to say, the game is trash, never again. 500 hours were spent with a girlfriend and another 300 with an ex. I met both of them in ow 1. Even if I get broken up with her, I will never touch this game ever again and it's stupid to assume that I would ever spend money on it. I would way quicker put a tube into my ankle to suck all my blood out. Which is never for any fanatics, that still enjoy getting sucked dry in the zero fun just pain sense
Why does anybody care what the millionair streamer, who has given blizzard about 10 thousand dollars this year alone has to say about the monetization in a blizzard game?
i had all skins in the game multiple times,80% were rng, but you got constant enough gold/currency to buy whichever one you wanted as well, also got all event ones with "lootboxes" and i wasn't even among the hard grinders, not sure how you can say its more anti consumer to have lootboxes when you can get everything with 0 cash spent on lootboxes vs current version where i can have pretty much nothing, that's just a bad take. people get to hung up on labels vs what you actually get, i cant get anything without money now on ow2
They should have implemented a system to unlock all overwatch 1 cosmetics purely from challenges or some type of currency you get for playing the game. Then you can have all the overwatch 2 cosmetics be in the battlepass and in the shop to buy. It would have been simple as that, they kept the old currency so just make that currency earn-able to then buy OW1 stuff.
Why would they ever do that when they can charge money for it? Remember that literally any suggestion has to face off against the "company can charge money for it" argument
To be honest, I think if Overwatch 2 were a brand new game and OW1 had never existed, no one would complain much about the way the monetisation is done. It's the fact that OW1 allowed to earn cosmetics relatively easily simply through playing the game as well that makes it feel so bad to many people that this option is now almost entirely gone. A risky move by Blizzard because they must've known that would piss off a lot of people, but honestly I think that (sadly) their little gamble is going to pay off because the whales will dump money into the game anyway.
why even do that ? People just want everything for free lol. There are games that have the same if not way worse system ,ppl still play for gameplay. Hell there are someone literally count how long to get EVERYTHING like a dork lol. Like get everything in a fps game is the core
The cosmetic system in OW1 was better, but the gameplay itself is far superior in OW2. Switching to 5v5, having one 1 Tank in Role Queue, and the new Role Passives all make the matches feel much better. After seeing the price and time for the Battle Pass, I'm okay with them. It's $10 and you have 55 days to finish it. That's about 1.5 levels per day, which is very doable if you play 3-5 matches to finish your daily challenges.
The thing about the OW2 Battle Pass is that if you fail to unlock the hero in time, That's it. You can't play Kiriko anymore (until Blizzard decides to do a special sale where you pay half the price of the original game to get one character). The thing about Overwatch 1 was that you paid 40-60 dollars to play it and you got all the characters, no character was locked behind a paywall or battlepass because you already paid the money. Cosmetics added nothing to the gameplay other than changing your look, and even then, the lootboxes were free. I still think that the Lootboxes in Overwatch late 2018 and onward were the best form of video game lootboxes. They were balanced and fair, had a good pity system to ensure you got legendaries, and duplicate items gave you a small amount of coins to spend on cosmetics you don't own yet. Overwatch 2 has none of that. It was announced 3 years ago and they added barely anything, removed many maps from the game, and even after launch they still had to remove a character because he was bugged, as if they did nothing in the past six months of "open-beta" It's pathetic.
Early Access' issue is that it's been converted from a useful feedback and funding source into a scummy business practice for games to be released incomplete to immediately cash in on the consumer. It's still a great tool, but unfortunately, studios that release games EA for legitimate reasons now get lugged into the same category as larger studios that do it as a business model for shipping immediately into sales without having to cave in to release quotas.
let's face it, ow1 lootbox reward system was way too good, and no other games have a better system than this. In ow2, blizz change the reward system to match other games and go f2p, of course players base is going to be upset. Just bring back the lootbox and either sell the game for $20-40 or make battlepass more appealing.
I find the most frustrating part is that after playing for years and accumulating skins, they re release the same game with all the same characters but now your collection is reset, but it's a new game!
People's argument for their crappy monetization system is that ow is a free game. And I hate it(not people). I hate that it became free, I don't want to see those skins that I could earn by playing now only purchasable, not mentioning stupidly insane prices......😡😡😡
I don't disagree with everything Asmon says here but a lot of it comes off as copium. I mean, this company is basically a vampire on life support. When the vast majority of their decisions are for themselves and not for the consumer, it is anti-consumer. They could've just made a normal sequel instead of doing whatever ... this ... is.
Man. Asmon is so conditioned to battle passes and microtransactions. Y'all remember when he used to to refuse to spend any money on games. Now we watch him drop 3-5k on games like Diablo
I got Overwatch a couple years ago and played it pretty consistently. Over two years, I never bought any loot boxes and I was able to obtain at least 70% of the cosmetics and what not without spending a dime. I even watched enough of the OWL streams to get the OWL skins for free! The original game rewarded players for playing a lot and consistently to a point where loot boxes were an added bonus to your dedication. I don't understand why people who barely played the original game have the biggest issue with the loot boxes. I really love Asmon but he has a lot of weird takes for someone who barely played OW1 after the first couple seasons.
I think a lot of the anger towards ow2’s battlepass was because they stripped the lootbox system and replaced it with an arguably worse system. But I think a better way to have done it is like Rocket league. They originally had lootboxes and when the game went ftp, they added a season pass system whilst retained the lootboxes. So if you don’t like the grindy linearity of the season passes you’d still regularly get lootboxes and even has a blueprint system for even more options.
I agree with Asmon regarding the 'people won't complain if the game is good' and 'OW has good gameplay'. The thing is that the only major improvement in gameplay that exists is that it's 5v5, and removing the tank meta. The gameplay, while good overall, it's pretty much the same (as well as most of the design as well), which is why it makes people mad at Blizzard because most of the changes in OW justifies a major update patch (an expansion at most); *_NOT_* a whole new game. Also, regarding lootboxes, I get where he's coming from about paid lootboxes. Paid lootboxes are bad. But OW1 had those same lootboxes available to farm if you play the game, making people had a motive to play the game. Which ties with the following topic: Regarding his take of 'You should not expect F2P games give away cosmetics', he's right, but at the same time, don't expect to retain players, because there is no incentive to make them keep on playing. Which is why people complain about the missing (free) lootboxes and the awful Battle Pass system. For example: Fortnite's battle pass rewards you for playing by getting stars. While the amount of free stuff is low, the stars are stackable for another battlepass, and you can farm premium currency. After farming 2 seasons, you finally get enough currency to unlock the premium battle pass, which in turn gives you more premium currency, along with rare cosmetics. Moreover, once you unlock the premium battlepass, unless you stop playing, you'll always get enough for the next premium battlepass. Another example is the events in gacha games. By making special characters, equipment or cosmetic items as a reward for playing the events, you'll always get people that will play to unlock it. 21:40 and regarding this take: this can be implemented in the current battle pass, and you'll basically have the same progression system, except current one would be season focused
The battle passes in FH also have a premium section. But you do get unique weapons, crates and you get 11-12k steel throughout the course of the battle pass. The premium costs $10, and if you were to spend that same $10 on a steep pack you get the same amount of steel for your money. So the battle pass in For Honor is actually kinda worth it
Naah bro i didnt pay a cent in ow 1 and i got all and i mean every single skin in the game out side of "owl token" skins soooo the lootboxes werent that bad tbh now you Cannot get any new skins without paying
I didn't look into this myself, but one OW streamer said they got THE Battlepass dude from Fortnite. So basically the reason they didn't put currency on this BP, is because it was a mistake to do so in Fortnite. 🤣
Imagine being a kid this day in life where video games had micro transactions like this? I probably would have never gotten so into games because I grew up in a poor family and having a parent put their credit card for a sub or any product online was unknown
Very bad and ignorant take by asmongold. Lootboxes in OW were the closest to fairest of a monetization scheme you can have. For a live service game (with the initial $50 buy in or whatever it was) you had free characters, free maps, free game modes... and despite all that, you had the ability to gain any new skin, emote, or otherwise for free at no extra cost. You had tons of people who had 80-90% of the unlockables unlocked WITHOUT PAYING A CENT. THAT'S why people miss lootboxes. Without payingit takes about 4 months to get one skin? Something like that? The equivalent would have been done a few weeks in OW1 WHILE unlocking everything else. "You paid more under lootboxes." Highly untrue for several reasons. 1) everything was finite with a bias towards unlockables 2) if you DID get repeatables, you get money compensation to use towards whatever. Because of this, there was a very visible finite system. There were some number crunches done on reddit and you're paying far more under current shop than you would have ever paid in OW1 if you were starting from scratch. Bringing down lootboxes down to "gambling" is ignorant. It is not comparable. "If mythic skins are $300..." but if "gambling" is 10 cents for 2 items? Not comparable whatsoever. There's greater math and metrics to these things. The average OW player is listing their pros and cons instead, they're not gambling fiends. And as it turns out, the lootbox system was better across the board. In fact, I'm willing to bet Blizz got rid of lootboxes BECAUSE they were so generous with lootboxes... with the fan's dissatisfaction giving them the trigger to pull the ripcord. Unfortunately, the players realized the trade was awful.
The worst thing for me about OW2 was, that I lost access to OW1. (Nothing I earned from OW1 has been transferred to OW2, and I don't know if that was supposed to have happened or not.)
You had OW1 on PC?? For what i know since the launch of 2 have been some issues/bugs because of fusing accounts with other devicess, like console versions. I made click it on the window advice before the launch but never get those skins i had from PS4, i only get everything from my PC OW1 but wasnt really that much, back in the day i played for a couple months on PS4 then i jump to battlenet. But some people got everything lost.
It is one thing if the content of Battlepasses is completely cosmetic, but OW2 locks characters behind the premium battle pass and even if they are free for everyone later on at absurdly high lvl 50+ Battlepasses, this makes ranked p2w because you get more champions earlier and can learn the champions before f2p players can. As soon as battlepasses affect gameplay in any shape or form they are inheriently objectively bad and there is no arguing around it.
Asmon loves scamming people. No wonder he doesn't have much of an issue with all the bad practices ruining gaming, he's just able to understand their hustle
i really hate that characters are locked behind the battle pass, so now if you miss it or dont play enough youre pretty much locked out of a character maybe forever. unless they decide to sell you the character at a price hike.
I think the only way for a battle pass to be healthy is if it is for the multiplayer, while there is still a progression system where you unlock stuff as you go. Without a built in progression system the pacing is atrocious because you only get 1/10 rewards and you actively see them denying you your items that any other normal game without a battle pass would just allow you to unlock
The problem is, for a lot of people, it wasn't free. They paid for overwatch 1. And overwatch 2 is the SAME EXACT GAME, except features which they paid for are now removed. Remember, OW1 is no longer playable. Part of the appeal was that you COULD earn skins and what not just by playing. If overwatch 2 ACTUALLY was a sequel, i'd have no problem with it having this monetization scheme. But the fact that they changed the title just to validate their changing the monetization system is just shit. I'd honestly prefer just to shell out another $60 to have OW2 be it's own thing with the same loot system from OW1, but that's obviously never going to happen. Hell, i wouldn't even mind paying for a battle pass if they actually worked on the freaking game, and made playing actually rewarding.
19:55 Asmon "anything that simulates gambling that you can spend real money on is more anti consumer than any price tag on a skin" Me: "except if you get high odds of getting legendary event items in every few pulls and can earn the loot boxes by simply playing the game". If they added level up boxes back to OW2 they would DESTROY the odds simply because it would show how much of a rip off their cosmetics are if they're easily obtainable like they were in ow1
To me it feels like im just playing the same game as I always was and I have a shit ton of hours played in overwatch 1. Just feels like a new patch with a new hero and a few nerfs and buffs and a couple of maps. Which is basically what we got during overwatch 1 patches. We got new hero's, new maps, nerfs and buffs. It's not a new expansion, its a patch.
Wouldn't have expected the take that character customization doesn't matter from the guy who spends 5 hours a day hunting differently colored mounts.
This comment definately deserves more likes.
It's a 3p mmo compared to a fps. Skins don't matter that much but if u want it buy it
yep doesn't matter. Just like league, dota 2, valorant, csgo. A f2p pvp game where cosmetics does not give in game advantage.
Asmon projects his opinion of cosmetics being irrelevant to everything even when he talks about how he wants to play characters that look like idealized forms of himself and disregards the argument that a majority of people care about customization and these companies use predatory practices to have them subsidize the game for people like him.
those cosmetics are valuable because you earn them by doing hard things in the game, no one cares about a skin anyone can get by spending 20 dollars compared to a skin you get by doing a challenge during a hard mode raid
My only real problem with Battle Passes is that they usually are on a timer, which just unhealthily pushes you into playing for the pass, rather than fun.
That's exactly brawlhalla BP..
my understanding has always been a battle pass is the dlc on a deal, you get a discount for buying them in bulk. I didn't know there were games that expired that pass. What BS.
@@jebalitabb8228 The only good thing that comes out of Halo Infinite.
I was thinking what would happen if the current battlepass ends, kiriko is in there, does that mean you will never be able to get her?
Im pretty sure thats one of the main reasons they add a battle pass. It makes people have to constantly play the game in order to unlock everything. It helps inflate the concurrent player numbers.
I didn't spend any money on lootboxes in OW1, and I was able to complete the collection just from level-ups & weekly rewards & endorsements. The amount of free lootboxes you got in OW1 for free made it very consumer friendly. Yes, being able to buy the lootboxes is bad, but the amount you got for free never incentivized me to buy them.
@@saynotop2w I have ~95% cosmetics (3000+ items) and I played ow1 for around 500 hours
Overreach 2
i didnt even play OW1 much (30 something hours total) and i have quite a bit of skins. (not everything obviously but a lot considering the time played)
Well.. think of it this way. You spent $60 and got years and years of new cosmetic content coming out. So they kept spending more and more money on the devs, without getting any more money for their game (because it wasn’t attracting new players). The way OW2 is makes it better for new players, but worse for those same players if they play as much as you did
I 100 percent
I would like to hear Asmon's opinion if WoW gone completely free to play, but all transmog, pets, mounts, emotes would be in the battlepass or in the shop.
Probably supportive since it's free to play according to his logic.
Wow is a roleplaying game. Those things are important for the genre, overwatch is an fps game, skins make zero diff.
@@CJMattias overwatch isn't counter strike. Characters have depth, lore and their visuals is pretty essential to a vast part of the comunity. You could say that you can rip anything visual from wow and keep theorycrafting and gearbuilding, as visual don't "affect" your gameplay. But that's only one side of the game.
@@АртемТрубін-д2в overwatch is an fps game though so I care less about character visuals. Also everything has lore nowadays.
@@АртемТрубін-д2в thats not a argument at all everything has lore nowadays even moblie games. at the end of the day you don't need skins to play the game and if your going to play a game thats F2P then you cant really get mad when they change how skins work comparing a mmorpg to a fps just doesnt work cuz in a mmorpg the fun of the game is the world but in a fps game the gameplay is the most important and not the world
Only had about 150 hours in the first game, yet I got atleast 1 legendary on every champion. The coin system was also good, every new event you could have enough coins to buy whatever you want for your main.
A lot of people that don’t play overwatch have a lot to say about ow1 lootboxes... if you guys played a lot you would know how irrelevant the lootboxes were nobody complained about not getting skins never bought 1 in 6 years
This
yeah i didnt understand asmon's take on this, he's like "ahhh its the same shit people used to spend loads of money on lootboxes". I have yet to meet a single soul that bought lootboxes in overwatch. even I, a casual player who only played here and there, on and off, managed to get quite a few legendaries, epics, highlight intros, there are few characters i dont have at least one legendary for.
I feel really bad for people that start to play this game now, cuz i personally would NEVER pay that amount for a skin, especially when most overwatch skins ARENT all that. they are not on the level of let's say a fortnite, or a league of legends skin.
Still many ppl did buy lootboxes, they made billions on ow1. I don't think they were irrelevant, there were a lot of complaints on the price and rates.
@@JrKengu asmongold is intentionally messing with blizzard
Overwatch is decent and yes it is not balanced at all but its fun and optimized for every tier rig
Atleast all they use is “cosmetics”
How can they earn money if they dont sell anything game is freetoplay ffs
@@goldenplectrum9695 whatever you just said has ZERO relevance to what I was talking about, but okay. as to your "all they use is cosmetics" point, that is not true. If you are someone who DIDNT buy overwatch 1, you also have to grind out heroes through the battle pass, which is insane, when you compare the aqcuisition method to another free to play game, such as league of legends.
Oh, and by the way, most people that play overwatch "2" have paid full $60 price for overwatch 1. If any other developer did what blizzard did it would be outrageous, but for blizzard, this is just a normal monday. Definitely THE greediest game company i know.
Asmon's become one of those "well it could be worse" people. Just because they've implemented something less greedy doesn't mean what's replaced it isn't anti consumer. I don't expect him to see how he's in the wrong there but thankfully many don't seem to agree with him on that part. I was going to say it's good he hasn't supported these companies greed till he started naming how much he spent on Diablo immortal and how much he spent on Lost Ark in a single day
yeah but if you did your research or watched when he did it. He did it to prove a point and expose the greed. To use his popularity to show many and take the hit out of his own pocket to save others money. I mean if he didnt spend money on diablo i might of he saved me time and cash.
same .-. is getting weird, he is simping left and right, maybe he is aplying for a job on Blizz xd?
idk why he so hard defending blizzard like tf
@@doyouevenrage9323 I dont know why people keep parroting this Josh's informative video on diablo immortal alone has more views than all of Asmon's diablo immortal streams. He clearly did it for content more than anything.
I've noticed it too. I don't know why he's been defending Blizz so much lately
i played since beta and i never had to pay for a single skin in overwatch, the reason for it was that if you play out of season you would just get infinite dupes of grey to purple loot which ment when you get to the new skins you can buy 3-4 for free.
yeah but you had to pay $40 for the game....
@@benwilsonMMA yeah but now every legendary skin they earned for free costs as much as the first game did
@@benwilsonMMA better than paying $20 per skin
@@benwilsonMMA nothing wrong with paying money for a game.
@@benwilsonMMA yes and you will have to pay for pve if you want it in overwatch 2 whats your point?
dude when he said that he thinks they made substantial improvements on the game couldn't help but burst into laughter
I also never bought a loot box in my life just earned them. u used to get loot boxes so easily.
So clear that he never played the game and is just riding the hype train for views. Literally has no clue about anything but acts like hes the leading expert. Hes turning into Hasan which is so cringe
Iono than don’t play it lol
@@townspersonb12 says he didn't spend any money, but his guy spent $4000 on diablo immortal LMFAO what a prat
He's such a shill for Blizzard sometimes its annoying.
I cant believe I would ever get to this point but man do I miss grinding that holiday event to sit down and open a batch of lootboxes in anticipation for the cool new skins...
now the only thing you can do is open your wallet.
Asmons got a pretty bad take with the monetization changes. I never once bought a loot box in overwatch, earned em through playing. Got every skin I wanted with the exception of some holiday ones I missed. Only people who bought loot boxes were morons and whales who wanted to look cool but couldn't invest a few hours a day to play. It was definitely a better system of monetization then the new ow2 one by a longshot.
@Grima the Fell Dragon youd have all the skins in ow1 even with bad RNG with less money spent as you would in ow2 though. so i dont see how this is an argument.
Or those with horrifyingly bad rng.
When they turned duplicate rate up, I had to pretty much save for whatever I wanted because I would almost never see a legend drop and if it did, it was a disgustingly bad compared to everything else on character I never touched.
Hell I had all of junkrats skins before I even touched him
@GrimatheFellDragon i own almost everything pre OW2 just from playing, never spent a cent on it. explain how i can do that as a new player in OW2. to my knowledge you cant because its predatory
@Grima the Fell Dragon Compare to a system that preys on people highly addictive personality risks such as collections? OW's gambling was finite in two ways: 1. you'll unlock everything 2. if you get repeats, you got money to buy anything you want. In OW over a course of month you'll have far more skins and emotes etc. and made enough money to buy whatever with paying a dime. In OW2 the equivalent will only give you one skin. It's not even close.
Yes but you are judging the pre-release. It's entirely possible that if you buy the retail version of the game that you will give the battle pass free for the life of the game. It's two months later and they already made Kiriko free.
Man. You can really tell that asmon didn’t put much time into OW1 at all. The loot boxes were goated.
he did say in the video that the one you earned by playing were nice and it was a good system, his problem is that you could buy em with cash
@@SheinelI his problem is he doesn't realize that average ow1 player has half of the items owned via these free lootboxes. He doesn't understand that there were a lot of these free lootboxes, you got multiple per day just by playing whatever gamemode you wanted however you want. I don't know anyone who felt that they are short on lootboxes and have to buy them for bucks
@@rinkashikachi Er, dude just cause you didn't know the dude didn't mean there was not guys buying these things. It's a literal slot machine they put into the game that they gave you free samples with of course there are gonna be people who are more to prone to buying them that got hooked on. It's fking evil dude.
@@Thaumaturge2251 not really. I don't have a single friend who spent a single cent on ow lootboxes because you could just farm coins and buy them/get them on a free lootbox. Sure there are people who spend money on buying them but that's an insanely small part of the community, and a really loud minority was against having lootboxes at all when the majority of the playerbase were content with how the system was. The problem here isn't the lootbox system, it's how companies still don't have good countermeasures to prevent kids from accessing these "gambling" mechanics. Honestly, just make age verification a thing like google does and restrict buying lootboxes to kids and noone should have a reason to complain anymore
He literally said that he agrees with free lootboxes smh.
Asmon got trashed on while playing OW2, raged quit the game, said he’ll never play it again because he hates it, and then ended his stream. His NOW somewhat positive opinion regarding the game is laughable. The circle of individuals who he talks to regarding their opinion of the game is very one sided. These are people whose entire lively hoods depend on the game. They probably have 1000s of hours playing and probably streaming the game. They have a vested interest. Regular players are not impressed.
Man, Asmongold defending the game really tells you how much money he makes on the regular
my main issue with asmon right here. its always obvious how disconnected he's become by his success. to him, its a business expense, so he doesn't care. in fact, he's done more harm than good by setting a poor example on stream, whaling like crazy in casino-based "games" such as lost ark.
Hes just a blizzard shill at this point lulw
It sounds like he got a problem with gambling himself
this is just a stupid comment
He's wrong about it being free. I paid for Overwatch 1. They literally took that away. Took away the product I paid for and replaced it with this. Overwatch 1 players paid for this. They literally did. And they got the rug pulled out from under them and handed this and told "it's free, shut up". This isn't what they paid for. This isn't what I paid for. I haven't installed Overwatch 2 and never will. Blizzard has burned its bridges for me for years to come. I've spent money in HOTS. I was a WoW player for over a decade. Done with this garbage company.
I didt spend any money in OW1 and still got a shitton of skins, Not only did you get legendary skins. But you got coins AND coins for duplicates. wich meant you could buy skins aswell as getting them for free. And every event you got a few boxes for just participating. Loot boxes sucks but in compirason it actually felt somewhat rewarding.
@@MeldinX2 until they killed the game right?
An the game also wasn’t FREE do most of you think before you type
Asmon, the reason Battle Passes are bad is because it turns gaming into a chore, just another job in our day to day lives. We play video games to relax, not to clock in and out. I think since you're more in tune with MMOs you don't understand how absolutely irritating it is to fire up a game and see a list of objectives you have to complete that day.
The fact that Battle Passes monopolize your time is what is wrong. Maybe sometimes I want to play other games... Maybe some days I want to play, say... Dragon Quest 11, but then oh crap... Gotta do my dailies for Fallout 76. 4 hours of grinding dailies later, and now... I feel tired and not even wanting to touch a controller to play that sweet, sweet Dragon Quest.
More games need to be like Elden Ring and other Souls games. Play the game and beat it, that's it. No need to slap on dailies, nothing. I still play it all the time because PVP and new character builds are great. I will buy the DLC when it comes out, and that is how supporting a company really should be.
That's only if it's a bad battle pass. Games like Fallout 76 don't respect your time. I got Fallout First for a month and put in about 100 hours maybe more, and still only got 3/4 of the way done maybe. Fortnite is a great one to bring up having a great pass because I never felt like it was a long grind. Even at the start of the season levels are easy to get, and it actually gets easier to level up the closer the season is to ending since the amount of weekly challenges add up.
Edit: I looked up my hours for Fallout 76, and in 1 season I put in 168 hours, and still didn't finish it.
the BP and the challenges are entirely optional, you're not required to do them and they offer absolutely no advantage to you to do them, you just do them if you want them. incentivizing people to play the game more and rewarding them for it without punishing people who dont is a good thing
Imagine Elden Ring having battlepass XD
@@16BitKamek The point isn't necessarily the time spent; 76 was used merely as an example. The point is that there should be no obligation involved in gaming. People shouldn't have to log into the same game everyday and do tasks to get something. They should be free to choose to play any game they want with no commitment. Commitment is for things outside gaming. Gaming is meant to be sitting back and enjoying your time off, picking a flavor you want to be immersed in that moment... Not "OH crap, gotta log into Red Dead Online to do my dailies."
@@Axetomouthh Factually incorrect statement. Many Battle Passes come with unlockable in-game advantages, not just cosmetics. Then they time-gate these advantages to create FoMo, instead of just having them always available in-game. 76 is once again an excellent example, since many seasons come loaded with camp items that provide status buffs or automatically generate supplies for you.
"The Long Dark" was a great example of early access. They released a sandbox version with most of the functionality then released the story mode for free with tons of updates that didn't break the game.
Subnautica is a great example
@@itsdinkd1771 Subnautica is a terrible example, the game remains buggy as hell, scarred by an early access release that never forced them to fix it. I love the game, its probably in my top 10 all time, but its busted as hell.
I don't think asmon knew how the boxes worked. I had about 300 boxes lol they weren't something people purchased.
Yeah I didn’t spend any money on loot boxes and I had all the skins I wanted. With the new system it forces you to spend money if you want them.
not everyone has the luxury to play games for a long time. Id rather pay for the skin directly before wasting the same on lootboxes and only getting garbage
@@gazirelseiryuu7229 god forbid you play the game to earn the rewards.
@@gazirelseiryuu7229 bruh i had like under 100h and had like 10 legendary skins tf u mean?
I play games to have fun, there is no gain to be had from playing games. It is all artificial anyway, it has no worth.
The truth: OW2 is good exclusively because OW1 was good, you just forgot it was good because you haven't played it in 4 years. It's really that simple.
In OW1 you could pay $60 for loot boxes and most of the event items if you didn't decide to play during the event a lot and get a lot of the event items for free. Now for that you get just 2 skins.
ye and know they gonna put more stuff in the store
How can asmon say he doesn't care about cosmetics? Imagine if WoW went free to play and made every mount in the game only available through the in-game shop, including all the old mount drops, it's no different to the shit OW2 has pulled.
yep that and making gold farming way less effective, pennies per day rather than 100k / day, just like the new ow credits .
Hades is a great example of a game that benefited a lot from early access
I agree, The main thing about it IMO is that the gameplay part was complete, we missed lore and some background progression, but the game was it, I didn't feel like losing time playing the early access
love this game, never made it fully out lol, that ish was hard
@@Anthony-pq4vr There is no escape, Anthony
Buying 50 loot boxes back in overwatch 1 was way more worth it vs really expensive bundles. You could easily get all those skins in 50 boxes.
Yeah except in order for anyone to buy the boxes you needed to put down $60 for the game so be honest about that and also, it's that $60 pricetag that made it possible for lootboxes to have protection against duplicates and bad luck rng, there is no other lootbox in the f2p market that does that and that was primarily because of the original pricetag because that OW1 lootbox is not profitable the way it was set up, not in a f2p market.
@@ammox4683 hearthstone is f2p and they did that
@@ammox4683 Why everyone ignores fcking HoTS? U have great system in hots. U get lootboxes with levels, every 5 levels u also get additional currency to buy heroes and every 25 lvls u get premium currency. U have duplicates system that gives u currency to buy things u like, and u still can buy every skin with just money. Great fcking system AND its F2P. Ofc its kinda long to get something rly high price, but u still CAN do that.
60$ pricetag is a bullsht argument man, we have a lot of examples of pretty good f2p systems, that allow people get something from the game. The insanity is that HoTS is also made by blizzard, and their system is 10x better than LoL/Fortnite system for players. But in OW2 u just get nothing. Timegates and 20$ skins, what a great deal.
For me it's just the fact that you would get a bunch of free skins through free loot boxes. I played overwatch 1 for around 600-700 hours and obtained almost all legendary skins. Now, I can't get a single one (outside of doing challenges for like 3 months), without paying.
That being said, it is a little funny to me, that people were complaining that loot boxes are too rng, whereas now where you just purchase them straight, people are still complaining.
and you got them on the spot, you didnt pay, to play the game over weeks, and waste what you paid if you didnt play the game if you didnt finish it in time
like you pay for a game. the game is there, you will always have that game
you play a battlepass and then dont have time to actually do it because of life, your problem. money is gone, no rewards
battle pass should be 100 % free but you have to play to get it, and if you pay for battle pass you get every single reward as soon you play. pay to play to get rewards is literally a scam
When you're speaking from the perspective of a person that doesn't have to worry about how much money you spend then it makes sense you don't find some of these practices bad. The negative side of It doesn't really affect you
Asmon is a tard, guy even said I already bought this game and so it's not free. But apparently they made enough changes so that's fine.
"you didn't HAVE to buy lootboxes to get skins. You could just earn em by playing the game. Part of the incentive to play was to level up and get a lootbox FOR FREE and hope you got the skin you wanted or duplicates so you got currency to buy the skin you wanted FOR FREE. Now the only real cosmetics you can get are strictly paywalled. This is one of the absolute worst monetization decisions they could've made." - 1000% True, 1000% Real statement.
You also were more likely to obtain things you didn't already have collected, if you owned the majority, or all of the unlockables in Overwatch one.
- don't even have a Classic 6v6 Overwatch game-mode, 'most money grubbing retards on one payroll' award goes to Activision Blizzard
dude jeff was the face of OW i miss his xmas specials lmao
we'll never forget you Jeff 😔
I earned enough lootboxes from playing the game so I never had to buy lootboxes. It was a joke in my friend circle about just how many they gave you. Streamers had like 10k lootboxes saved up at the end of OW1.
Yeah, it's kinda nuts. No wonder they abandoned lootboxes.
free to play and free lootboxes that gives you everything. yeah this game would have died in its first few months. they have to make lootboxes predatory af to bring back lootboxes again in an f2p game.
i paid for over watch 1 and over watch 1 was shut down for overwatch 2, therefore its not free for those who paid for the game and received a marketing ploy instead of an upgraded game, but instead an overwatch1.5 mockery. In the past, you earned upgrades with playing, now you can only upgrade by buying. also buying. I also liked knowing that a hacker would have to spend another 60 dollars after getting caught.. and now there is no point in playing overwatch, i skipped out on a week of playing overwatch and nothing negative happened and i didnt miss out on anything.
Deep Rock Galactic is a great example of an early access game.
DRG does a lot of things right.
True, indie is just the future, most AAA titles are just marketing scams nowadays i feel like. Especially the multiplayer
I am a dwarf and I'm digging a hole!
Rock and Stone, brother.
I haven't spent a dime since originally owning the game back in 2015. Got every cosmetic, emote and spray just from playing. Before OW2 came out, I had 200 loot boxes unopened due to me knowing they'd all be duplicates and now I have around 20k in legacy credits I can't use on anything 😅
u can buy all kirito stuffs with legacy credits
Asmons ''I think that's fine'' is exactly the reason why most of todays games suck
19:15 "If the game quality is good, they'll excuse anything" Halo Infinite says otherwise.
getting rid of the double tank meta in overwatch 2 was the best decision they have ever made. Overwatch 1 devolved into an ultimate slinging contest, it was basically a stalemate until both teams threw north korean level nukes at the middle of the map and whoever lived ended up winning the match.
2 shield meta was very fun and interactive
But they wouldn’t have had to make a sequel just to add this change. This should have been a patch in 1 a year ago lol.
Sounds awesome. Why would they remove that?
As I got older I love being able to watch vids on new games while playing my old single player games. I had my fair share of multiplayer titles but I’ve grown to enjoy other aspects of life.
I am playing final fantasy 7 for the first time right now haha, watching a video on overwatch 2
I like ur style, I dont care much about multiplayers. Only when my friends want to play will i care about multiplayers.
"Lootboxes make you spend more money"
Me who didn't buy a single lootbox and owns 90% of the cosmetics: 🍷🗿💰
@Drick Bruh the game was out for 6 years. You're just bad if you didn't get what you wanted.
@Drick Whatever you say bro
Did you buy the game?
@@Dathaloboii Technically no, I was gifted it. So up until I got the watchpoint pack I've spent exactly 0$ on overwatch
@Drick u talk about parents basement but here u are watching a video of a game u dont like. go see a doctor
7:30 this vid is full of bad almost seemingly forced takes but this is probably the worst but Asmon barely even played OW1 so it's not surprising. Each event, with 20 lootboxes you were almost guaranteed at least 1 legendary due to the pity system. You also usually got almost enough currency to get another legendary on top of that. That's not including the few epics, many sprays and emotes you got out of that $20 as well. So idk how 20 lootboxes = $26 legendary skin and spray. You spent less and usually got much more. Also with more and more heroes hitting the game, the price or economy on these skins that are restricted to only 1 of these heroes should diminish as well. In reality that $26 should've gotten you every paid item from the event.
I bought the game, and never spent a dollar on loot boxes. I had everything i wanted. OW had one of the best modern takes on cosmetics
"I don't have any problem with battle passes"
"..I didn't even know any of this. I didn't play like...I just logged on. I don't even have a battle pass. I don't know what my battle pass progress is.."
Video: "Overwatch 2 intentionally removed the leveling system so that the sole form of progression is the battle pass"
"I was wonderin whatever happened to that. Like...I didn't really think about it ever"
Asmongold is like a living meme at this point
But its reasonable to not think about this stuff in a game. Just play the game why in the holy heck do you care about dumbass skins
I can give 100 different reasons why battle pass is a bad idea.
As of right now there still isn’t a pve mode, like at this point it’s just Overwatch with a 2 slapped on for no reason.
They changed the lighting ,colors, and gameplay very very slightly and thought it was good enough.
@@James-9999 it didn’t exist 3 months ago.
loot boxes in overwatch 1 didnt force you buy lootboxes for skins... If you played a lot you would have every legendary skin without paying anything. I had for almost all characters and my playtime wasn't even that crazy. THAT is the point.
Ok yeah I played overwatch a lot and didn't get every legendary skin and neither did my friends so you must of played A LOT like no life levels of a lot and that's something a lot of people don't do
@@gamesmaster1060 i got all my skins f2p did not play 24/7
@@jacobmaleszyk837 Ok so either you are lying or you got lucky. Either way the point is that not everyone will get all the skins cause it's luck based
@@gamesmaster1060 I played my 9 arcades every week, that's all I did. Had most of the skins. They gave them out for free, maybe not in the beginning but over time they gave skins out for free basically.
@@gamesmaster1060 they also added credits so you could buy the skins you wanted.
I got almost every skin in the game without spending a dime. So. Lootboxes how they had them were pretty generous.
cap
@@JVLEGION no cap any event that popped up you could play for a weekend and get a good chunk of the new items
@@JVLEGION not cap at all rofl i was able to get most skins too just by playing AI for the xp spam. there is a way you can make it so only a few npc's spawn so its super easy xp farm.
11:14 the BDO suit is no longer an advantage, now it didn't show your name but show (unknow character) as name so you no longer are untraceable like before, I even think is way easier now to track them cuz the name is in caps xD and also in middle of square parenthesis, so is way more easy to track than average normal names xD
Apex, Lol etc you dont swap champs mid game, Overwatch 2 you do which makes having all characters assecable more of a requirement. Imagine you had to buy an item in league before you could buy it ingame, or guns in Apex.
Overwatch was free-to-obtain, now it's not free-to-obtain and obtaining anything you used to get for free is now paywalled.
Whenever I see Early Access my skin crawls
Gotta say I'm not loving Asmon's takes on OW 2 as of recently. It is painfully obvious he doesn't really know what he's talking about when it comes to this game. Giving half ass takes about a game you don't fully understand and comparing its monetization techniques to other very predatory games seems kinda dumb when its previous system was far better. I usually think Asmon gives really good level headed takes but these just make no sense to me. He's acting like every single person spent 10 grand unknowingly on lootboxes which is far from the case. All this new monetization does is make the new player experience way worse and ruin any sort of progression. Not to mention the hero locking issue and other shit blizzard has done. It feels like asmon just sees "Lootboxes bad, battle pass good, therefore there's no issue." The situation is far more complex than that. Asmon focuses more on the uncertainty of a purchase than the actual pricing of it. It is fine to dislike lootboxes, but this system of extremely upcharged skins is far from consumer friendly. Just because the game is free, does not mean it is a better game. Asmongold does not seem to realize that. Just because it is a free game does not relieve itself of criticism. I'll prolly be pretty polarizing with this take but Asmongold really needs to realize that people are still unhappy with this game for a reason, it's not as simple as he's trying to make it out to be.
i think the real reason why people are missing loot boxes is not because they got them by paying, We got the loot boxes for leveling up and progressing in the game or playing the seasonal events or anniversary event. They could put exclusive bundles for sale to buy straight up or have legendary or mythic skins be the only option to be shop only. I really do wish there was a good sense of progression in ow2 other than competitive. Doing the Halloween event has less value now.
The game is very fun. Just wish there was more sense of progression.
They could always give u progression by giving u abit of ingame money for leveling up instead of lootloxes. But even if it’s less they won’t do it. They never put out loot boxes to give people free stuff. They always ment it to get people that are weak to gambling by giving them free samples.
And even if it dosnt affect the complaining people it’s just nessesairy for others expecialy miniors who can be influenced into a gambling addiction effecting then later in life.
but you paid for the game so its not free
I did yes but I want to stick up for the casual free to play players, I'm not sure if it's accurate but what i've been hearing among other friends is when they announced it to be free it would have a similar free to play model as riot where you play and earn ingame currency to buy heroes or even play long enough to get keys for loot boxes.
Compared to riots free to play model, this version of it will be unrealistic for casual free to play players to unlock a hero in a healthy amount of time. for league it took a week or 2, for this it looks like it's going to take a couple of months meeting the daily challenges incentivizing you to buy gold.
Imagine what it's going to be like when the new heroes and battle pass comes it will take forever to get the new heroes especially as a new player.
im sorry but the guy that said '' i payed for overwatch 1 '' he is right. ME as a owner of overwatch 1 will get all the characters for free. While people who are new to the game will need to pay for the battlepass to unlock new characters lol. or just play 50h in total like a madman to unlock the character. And if you dont have time to play all day long you are fucked when the new battlepass comes out??????????? Pay2Win bullshit if you ask me. 1 Hero in meta thats strong and you cant play it ,because? Its behind a paywall.
Can't support this bullshit at all. And dont give me the shit gambling and lootboxes. The only $ i spent on overwatch is when i bought it when it released ,every skin i wanted i got it for free. Every event skin i wanted i got it for FREE. Every level up you get a box. Every event you get free boxes. Arcade mode gives you 3 loot boxes. Arcade every 3 matches aswell give you a loot box ,you get 6 loot boxes just from playing arcade mode. And xp does not get higher everytime you level up,so for that 1 lootbox when you level up you always need the same amount xp when you reach a certain level. The first levels are the easiest they dont need lots of xp. Wich is again lots of free lootboxes.
The Artists acts like they are fucking underpayed lazy ass skins ,lazy ass fucking game.
Edit: People comapred the 26€skins to skins that are chromas and they have more detail and more changes and color variants then the actual fucking 26€ skin. Hope this game dies just like fucking overwatch 1 did. Blizzard does not deserve shit.
And to think asmongold took money from them to play the game. What a standup guy.
Cry more
Everyone’s got a price
@@nontoxic9960 Surely someone who is mad cause he can't get paid to play a game is a mature person and needs a mature response
@@kalashnikov1343 as everyone else.
@@nontoxic9960 Surely Asmon, always honest guy with infinite money who constantly criticized Blizzard will sellout to... Blizzard.
To assume things about a person you don't remotely know, or to ask someone to support their claim with evidence in a damn TH-cam comment section, both things make whoever did them (look) dumb. My apologies, won't provide evidence on that one.
Its hilarious how terribly his takes here have aged
Honestly I miss the lootboxes compared to this new system it was easier to get the currency from them to get the skins
The problem is that you can't play Overwatch 1 anymore.
15:57 is a perfect summary of how the gaming market actually captures people. If the gameplay is good, I will log back in and try to harvest that dopamine. But attracting a player base is much different than retaining one. Blizzard has been in shambles - and even if this game has enough base gameplay allure to keep people logging on, I wonder how long before the holes in the foundation are too apparent. They're going to REALLY have to listen to the community to keep it alive.
But come on Blizzard - We are all loot & juice programmed out here. I just want to come home from a long work day, sit down in my chair and crack my knuckles before I sit down and anxiously pray to the Overwatch Gods for a super t h i c c j u i c e r RNJesus loot drop to pop out of a box. It really is that simple. GIVE ME THE JUICE
OW2 is weird. It's not OW2 - but OW Reimagined. Its Battlepass sucks. The cosmetics store sucks. Some changes to the ranked system are highly questionable at best...
...yet the game itself is *so* much more fun for me with the 5v5 format and new maps + removal of the 2CP gamemode that I'm fully committed to it.
battlepasses for an early access game is just un-excusable
I paid $60 for the Nintendo switch version of OverWatch 1 so that means I paid $60 for OverWatch two. I no longer have access to OverWatch one. This is the only video game I've ever paid for that got taken away from me and then given back for free
I'm not sure it was mentioned but they removed the Group Finder feature, that's a big loss to find new people with similar objectives.
Gameplay was terrible and I had a duo at the time. I have no duo anymore, I won't touch it.
Op mayhem any game and mayhem is just cc hell.
But each time you have your team's resources not touch everyone, 80% of the time you have babies trying to bully the support into carrying the whole team, by enabling everyone to be cocky.
PvP is the whole game. PvE is shit. If you can't get along with 2 or 3 other people, you will lose, even if you are pulling your weight, because they leave mid game.
This is a joke.
60 coin skin costs are at 1900. Battlepass has the most value and it's the sole thing priced adequately.
I bought the deluxe edition and never spent anything within anymore.
Overwatch is about interacting with people. I got to play with plenty of masters back in the day. I didn't touch competitive after being gold for myself.
That's only relevant, because back then you couldn't play against a master's player, even if they lost 20 times in a row trolling their qp.
That means that my above 50% winrate got me to that level and that with 1k+ hours spent gives me the right to say, the game is trash, never again. 500 hours were spent with a girlfriend and another 300 with an ex. I met both of them in ow 1. Even if I get broken up with her, I will never touch this game ever again and it's stupid to assume that I would ever spend money on it.
I would way quicker put a tube into my ankle to suck all my blood out. Which is never for any fanatics, that still enjoy getting sucked dry in the zero fun just pain sense
Why does anybody care what the millionair streamer, who has given blizzard about 10 thousand dollars this year alone has to say about the monetization in a blizzard game?
i had all skins in the game multiple times,80% were rng, but you got constant enough gold/currency to buy whichever one you wanted as well, also got all event ones with "lootboxes" and i wasn't even among the hard grinders, not sure how you can say its more anti consumer to have lootboxes when you can get everything with 0 cash spent on lootboxes vs current version where i can have pretty much nothing, that's just a bad take. people get to hung up on labels vs what you actually get, i cant get anything without money now on ow2
They should have implemented a system to unlock all overwatch 1 cosmetics purely from challenges or some type of currency you get for playing the game. Then you can have all the overwatch 2 cosmetics be in the battlepass and in the shop to buy. It would have been simple as that, they kept the old currency so just make that currency earn-able to then buy OW1 stuff.
Why would they ever do that when they can charge money for it?
Remember that literally any suggestion has to face off against the "company can charge money for it" argument
To be honest, I think if Overwatch 2 were a brand new game and OW1 had never existed, no one would complain much about the way the monetisation is done. It's the fact that OW1 allowed to earn cosmetics relatively easily simply through playing the game as well that makes it feel so bad to many people that this option is now almost entirely gone. A risky move by Blizzard because they must've known that would piss off a lot of people, but honestly I think that (sadly) their little gamble is going to pay off because the whales will dump money into the game anyway.
why even do that ? People just want everything for free lol. There are games that have the same if not way worse system ,ppl still play for gameplay. Hell there are someone literally count how long to get EVERYTHING like a dork lol. Like get everything in a fps game is the core
The cosmetic system in OW1 was better, but the gameplay itself is far superior in OW2. Switching to 5v5, having one 1 Tank in Role Queue, and the new Role Passives all make the matches feel much better. After seeing the price and time for the Battle Pass, I'm okay with them. It's $10 and you have 55 days to finish it. That's about 1.5 levels per day, which is very doable if you play 3-5 matches to finish your daily challenges.
The leveling system and boxes gotta come back. I worked hard on the border I had and I’m annoyed they tossed my work and efforts in the trash.
it's not going to.
Asmon when Diablo Immortal has predatory business practice 🤬
Asmon when Overwatch 2 has the same predatory business practice 🤗
They really hurt the feelings of a lot of people by putting earnable skins behind a paywall. Makes me want to find a new game.
The thing about the OW2 Battle Pass is that if you fail to unlock the hero in time, That's it. You can't play Kiriko anymore (until Blizzard decides to do a special sale where you pay half the price of the original game to get one character).
The thing about Overwatch 1 was that you paid 40-60 dollars to play it and you got all the characters, no character was locked behind a paywall or battlepass because you already paid the money. Cosmetics added nothing to the gameplay other than changing your look, and even then, the lootboxes were free.
I still think that the Lootboxes in Overwatch late 2018 and onward were the best form of video game lootboxes.
They were balanced and fair, had a good pity system to ensure you got legendaries, and duplicate items gave you a small amount of coins to spend on cosmetics you don't own yet.
Overwatch 2 has none of that. It was announced 3 years ago and they added barely anything, removed many maps from the game, and even after launch they still had to remove a character because he was bugged, as if they did nothing in the past six months of "open-beta"
It's pathetic.
Early Access' issue is that it's been converted from a useful feedback and funding source into a scummy business practice for games to be released incomplete to immediately cash in on the consumer.
It's still a great tool, but unfortunately, studios that release games EA for legitimate reasons now get lugged into the same category as larger studios that do it as a business model for shipping immediately into sales without having to cave in to release quotas.
let's face it, ow1 lootbox reward system was way too good, and no other games have a better system than this. In ow2, blizz change the reward system to match other games and go f2p, of course players base is going to be upset. Just bring back the lootbox and either sell the game for $20-40 or make battlepass more appealing.
I find the most frustrating part is that after playing for years and accumulating skins, they re release the same game with all the same characters but now your collection is reset, but it's a new game!
People's argument for their crappy monetization system is that ow is a free game. And I hate it(not people). I hate that it became free, I don't want to see those skins that I could earn by playing now only purchasable, not mentioning stupidly insane prices......😡😡😡
Good thing you've got the red reinhardt skin, the red ones go faster.
I don't disagree with everything Asmon says here but a lot of it comes off as copium. I mean, this company is basically a vampire on life support. When the vast majority of their decisions are for themselves and not for the consumer, it is anti-consumer. They could've just made a normal sequel instead of doing whatever ... this ... is.
Deeprock Galactic and Risk of Rain 2 early access was amazing, both games are outstanding.
Man. Asmon is so conditioned to battle passes and microtransactions. Y'all remember when he used to to refuse to spend any money on games. Now we watch him drop 3-5k on games like Diablo
I got Overwatch a couple years ago and played it pretty consistently. Over two years, I never bought any loot boxes and I was able to obtain at least 70% of the cosmetics and what not without spending a dime. I even watched enough of the OWL streams to get the OWL skins for free! The original game rewarded players for playing a lot and consistently to a point where loot boxes were an added bonus to your dedication. I don't understand why people who barely played the original game have the biggest issue with the loot boxes. I really love Asmon but he has a lot of weird takes for someone who barely played OW1 after the first couple seasons.
I think a lot of the anger towards ow2’s battlepass was because they stripped the lootbox system and replaced it with an arguably worse system. But I think a better way to have done it is like Rocket league. They originally had lootboxes and when the game went ftp, they added a season pass system whilst retained the lootboxes. So if you don’t like the grindy linearity of the season passes you’d still regularly get lootboxes and even has a blueprint system for even more options.
I agree with Asmon regarding the 'people won't complain if the game is good' and 'OW has good gameplay'. The thing is that the only major improvement in gameplay that exists is that it's 5v5, and removing the tank meta. The gameplay, while good overall, it's pretty much the same (as well as most of the design as well), which is why it makes people mad at Blizzard because most of the changes in OW justifies a major update patch (an expansion at most); *_NOT_* a whole new game.
Also, regarding lootboxes, I get where he's coming from about paid lootboxes. Paid lootboxes are bad. But OW1 had those same lootboxes available to farm if you play the game, making people had a motive to play the game. Which ties with the following topic:
Regarding his take of 'You should not expect F2P games give away cosmetics', he's right, but at the same time, don't expect to retain players, because there is no incentive to make them keep on playing. Which is why people complain about the missing (free) lootboxes and the awful Battle Pass system.
For example: Fortnite's battle pass rewards you for playing by getting stars. While the amount of free stuff is low, the stars are stackable for another battlepass, and you can farm premium currency. After farming 2 seasons, you finally get enough currency to unlock the premium battle pass, which in turn gives you more premium currency, along with rare cosmetics. Moreover, once you unlock the premium battlepass, unless you stop playing, you'll always get enough for the next premium battlepass.
Another example is the events in gacha games. By making special characters, equipment or cosmetic items as a reward for playing the events, you'll always get people that will play to unlock it.
21:40 and regarding this take: this can be implemented in the current battle pass, and you'll basically have the same progression system, except current one would be season focused
Also a game is not free to play if you have to buy the base classes, when the game is all about changing out classes for an advantage.
The battle passes in FH also have a premium section. But you do get unique weapons, crates and you get 11-12k steel throughout the course of the battle pass. The premium costs $10, and if you were to spend that same $10 on a steep pack you get the same amount of steel for your money. So the battle pass in For Honor is actually kinda worth it
Blizzard has a history of shutting down older games when newer ones come out.
Yeah Overwatch 1 is completely shut down, so it’s even more reason why it’s dumb to call it Overwatch 2
Dota 2/ Valve invented the battlepass system actually
Naah bro i didnt pay a cent in ow 1 and i got all and i mean every single skin in the game out side of "owl token" skins soooo the lootboxes werent that bad tbh now you Cannot get any new skins without paying
I didn't look into this myself, but one OW streamer said they got THE Battlepass dude from Fortnite. So basically the reason they didn't put currency on this BP, is because it was a mistake to do so in Fortnite. 🤣
Imagine being a kid this day in life where video games had micro transactions like this? I probably would have never gotten so into games because I grew up in a poor family and having a parent put their credit card for a sub or any product online was unknown
Very bad and ignorant take by asmongold. Lootboxes in OW were the closest to fairest of a monetization scheme you can have. For a live service game (with the initial $50 buy in or whatever it was) you had free characters, free maps, free game modes... and despite all that, you had the ability to gain any new skin, emote, or otherwise for free at no extra cost. You had tons of people who had 80-90% of the unlockables unlocked WITHOUT PAYING A CENT. THAT'S why people miss lootboxes. Without payingit takes about 4 months to get one skin? Something like that? The equivalent would have been done a few weeks in OW1 WHILE unlocking everything else.
"You paid more under lootboxes." Highly untrue for several reasons. 1) everything was finite with a bias towards unlockables 2) if you DID get repeatables, you get money compensation to use towards whatever. Because of this, there was a very visible finite system. There were some number crunches done on reddit and you're paying far more under current shop than you would have ever paid in OW1 if you were starting from scratch.
Bringing down lootboxes down to "gambling" is ignorant. It is not comparable. "If mythic skins are $300..." but if "gambling" is 10 cents for 2 items? Not comparable whatsoever. There's greater math and metrics to these things. The average OW player is listing their pros and cons instead, they're not gambling fiends. And as it turns out, the lootbox system was better across the board. In fact, I'm willing to bet Blizz got rid of lootboxes BECAUSE they were so generous with lootboxes... with the fan's dissatisfaction giving them the trigger to pull the ripcord. Unfortunately, the players realized the trade was awful.
The worst thing for me about OW2 was, that I lost access to OW1. (Nothing I earned from OW1 has been transferred to OW2, and I don't know if that was supposed to have happened or not.)
There is a merge account feature you have to use to transfer your old OW1 goodies.
It was supposed to happen, open a ticket if it didnt. You should have everything you had before.
You had OW1 on PC?? For what i know since the launch of 2 have been some issues/bugs because of fusing accounts with other devicess, like console versions. I made click it on the window advice before the launch but never get those skins i had from PS4, i only get everything from my PC OW1 but wasnt really that much, back in the day i played for a couple months on PS4 then i jump to battlenet. But some people got everything lost.
It is one thing if the content of Battlepasses is completely cosmetic, but OW2 locks characters behind the premium battle pass and even if they are free for everyone later on at absurdly high lvl 50+ Battlepasses, this makes ranked p2w because you get more champions earlier and can learn the champions before f2p players can. As soon as battlepasses affect gameplay in any shape or form they are inheriently objectively bad and there is no arguing around it.
Asmon loves scamming people. No wonder he doesn't have much of an issue with all the bad practices ruining gaming, he's just able to understand their hustle
i really hate that characters are locked behind the battle pass, so now if you miss it or dont play enough youre pretty much locked out of a character maybe forever. unless they decide to sell you the character at a price hike.
How tf are 4 people first?
Nobody cares.
I think the only way for a battle pass to be healthy is if it is for the multiplayer, while there is still a progression system where you unlock stuff as you go. Without a built in progression system the pacing is atrocious because you only get 1/10 rewards and you actively see them denying you your items that any other normal game without a battle pass would just allow you to unlock
I bet they’re gonna make us pay to play the pve mode 😂
Yeah that’ll be paid for like a “full game release” unsure of price but it’s like fortnite. Save the world ya gotta pay for but the BR is free
The problem is, for a lot of people, it wasn't free. They paid for overwatch 1. And overwatch 2 is the SAME EXACT GAME, except features which they paid for are now removed. Remember, OW1 is no longer playable. Part of the appeal was that you COULD earn skins and what not just by playing. If overwatch 2 ACTUALLY was a sequel, i'd have no problem with it having this monetization scheme. But the fact that they changed the title just to validate their changing the monetization system is just shit. I'd honestly prefer just to shell out another $60 to have OW2 be it's own thing with the same loot system from OW1, but that's obviously never going to happen. Hell, i wouldn't even mind paying for a battle pass if they actually worked on the freaking game, and made playing actually rewarding.
Odd amount of L takes from asmon on this. They did not make enough changes to this to warrant a 2.
19:55
Asmon "anything that simulates gambling that you can spend real money on is more anti consumer than any price tag on a skin"
Me: "except if you get high odds of getting legendary event items in every few pulls and can earn the loot boxes by simply playing the game".
If they added level up boxes back to OW2 they would DESTROY the odds simply because it would show how much of a rip off their cosmetics are if they're easily obtainable like they were in ow1
From what I remember, Legion came out before Overwatch (though they were announced at the same Blizzcon)
@@pixeljauntvr7774 It would appear I mixed the two release dates up lol
To me it feels like im just playing the same game as I always was and I have a shit ton of hours played in overwatch 1. Just feels like a new patch with a new hero and a few nerfs and buffs and a couple of maps. Which is basically what we got during overwatch 1 patches. We got new hero's, new maps, nerfs and buffs. It's not a new expansion, its a patch.
Indie and double AA games are doing better than triple AAA games tbh
Not a penny more on blizzard games.