I have several comments: 1. Excellent explanation, I could never get to grips with the solar physics, you made it so simple, will view this video a few times till it sinks in. 2. Your high school science teacher would be proud of you. 3. I didn't know that Daleks could get an amateur radio license!
Aurora activity is a bonus for 6 meters. You can bounce signals off of the aurora and contact stations. A 4-element beam is ideal to get great DX. I’ve been doing it for years.
It was weird, there was nothing, then I had one QSO to New Zealand (I'm in California) with 50 watts and a dipole, and then nothing the rest of the time. I'm glad I got on the air, I hadn't played radio in weeks and the aurora got me motivated.
Cool seeing the lights from Australia. Being in Alaska, we see them all the time, but of course this time we had too much daylights and clouds to see them in Alaska. Normal solar flares usually create so much absorption here in KL7, we can't work anyone, much less hear anyone.
Hayden, I remember this very same thing happened during the sun spot cycle back in 1989. At it's peak, the HF and shortwave bands were damn near un-usable, but it got better on the down slope part of the cycle and returned to normality in 1996. Interesting things solar cycles.
Great discussion Hayden! At ~2:36, you mention that HF transmissions can get absorbed by the ionosphere during a geomagnetic storm, so they won't get refracted and therefore no skywave. There's another effect as well as described in the Wikipedia 'Ionosphere' page under the 'Storms' heading. 'During a geomagnetic storm the F₂ layer will become unstable, fragment, and may even disappear completely'. No F2 layer at all is certainly going to make the HF bands go quiet!
Many newly licensed hams seem to think it's lack of users. Cannot understand why they are not being heard. They got use to vhf uhf fm with Repeaters and some with dmr and dstar . Now HF is a completely different ball game. Many gone back to vhf.. many like me started on HF. HF was ham radio for us oldies. We learnt quickly about propagation. It will eventually get back to normal.
There is no "normal" on HF. I'm a 45 year ham and in the 4 cycles ive been through this is the quietest ive ever seen for such a prolonged period of time. It can be frustrating.
Just for curiosity sake, I put a digital volt meter across my vertical and horizontal antennas and I noticed that my horizontal antenna accumulated the most DC voltage reaching a high of 87 millivolts. Still a minuscule amount of energy induced into a 70 ft long piece of wire.
I got a new DJI drone the other day.... It is grounded because of solar flares. GPS and 2.4Gh spectrum hopping is affected. Outback South Australia is just one big magnetic solar collector.
Thanks for this informative information. Yesterday I experienced a strange happening, 20 and 40 meter bands allowed me to make contacts as close as 50 miles! Normal distant contacts were not possible. Other Hams were commenting on ability to make close contacts as well.
During the height of the storms I was not able to hear my state police on 155.58. The repeater is about 40 miles to the north. 18 hours later no problem.
I am going to take a Break from HAM Radio for like a Week or so. The Bands going to be super crappy...mostly dead as a Horse. Sporadically there is going to be some openings but not lasting long time. It repeatedly happens on every Year in the month of May.
6 meters was open for voice and CW in pockets, but it was strange though - everyone sounded like they were the Borg from Star Trek. I was tempted to call CQ saying that I was Borg!
I recall during the last solar cycle maximum when I was working all over the place with 20 Watts, and the repeaters around the state were keying up one another in weird feedback oscillations to the point where control ops were having to shut them down altogether. The town cop stopped by my shack and asked me why his police-radio communications were so bad when he'd heard that radio communications were great due to solar activity.
Interestingly 10m (28MHz) did not receive the memo! Despite the complete dropout of most HF bands, 10m has been wide open (from VK4 at least) to all continents. Who knows how or why this single band was spared - actually enhanced to this amazing level. VK4UH
I would guess as the MUF goes up, the LUF (I just made that up!) goes up as well, so where we can't normally use 80m in the day, I'm guessing we couldn't use up to 15m or 12m, but could use 10m. There's also Sporadic E, there was a lot of that about as well.
Here in WI USA our radio been dead starting day before eclipse in april bheavy( 10+s units) static day before and of eclipse then reduced for week and dad since now over month hope turnaround coming
Pretty wild for sure. Last week we went out to get some pictures of the Northern Lights (I'm in Canada), and had to use our GPS. Took longer than usual for our GPS to acquire a satellite so there was the effect mentioned. Watching the lights was amazing.
Welcome to my almost daily issue here in Alaska. Another reason why logging Alaska is difficult for DX certificates. The Aurora Steel pot. Good video and thank you.
I was able to chat with a guy that's 90 miles away off of a repeater that's WAY out of line of sight (other side of a large formation of rolling hills) for my handheld GMRS.
Because there are few licensed HF operators and 20% listed are dead, 60% don't use their HF license, and the last 20% are only on occasionally. Ham radio is not growing, it is not dead, however it is stagnate and has been for decades. Band conditions have nothing to do with it.
Yes it does have to do with conditions when the HF bands are open 10 meters and 11 meters especially 27.385 calling frequency is absolutely slammed from sunup to sundown and sometimes at night. When theres poor conditions like now. Theres zilch. That makes no sense at all
This is certainly true, HF propagation and the sunspot cycle does affect activity when the bands are dead. But there are other reasons worth a mention. When you factor in digital modes such as FT8, DMR , and modern SDR rigs it all becomes very clear indeed. A lot of Hams have moved over to DMR now, given up calling CQ on HF preferring instead to stare at the bandscope, and if they see no activity switch the rig off. Plus the HF bands are very noisy now in most urban areas, so weaker signals get buried in the noise, and you just can't hear them. Finally contesting seems to have become more popular over recent years, so for a lot of Hams they only operate during contest activity, which decades ago wasn't an issue. Back then, Hams held nets and regularly talked to one another on 160, 80 and 40 in the evenings during the week, even in periods of high sunspot activity as I remember. Ham radio was the first social network for radio technically minded individuals, to get together on air and discuss radio. Ham radio has changed so much now, from what it was decades ago, you're bound to get less activity on air.
thanks so much for this video - I'm basically VERY new at HF and even though there were questions on the test about this it has been difficult to udnerstand and put into practice. I did a POTA last weekend and it took 4 hours to be able to activate the park I was in and that included FT8 and SSB - I wanted to do it totally with SSD but I just couldn't hit 10 but at least with the handful of FT8 I was able to do it. It was brutal to say the least...
I checked 7mhz on Saturday, it was pumping better than usual in my opinion, I don't know why people were saying HF was dead? Maybe the DX was down but NVIS was fine.
FT8 and JS8 40 and 17 still going somewhat though lower levvel absorption playing havoc. As the lower layers recombine more quickly they should unmask still highly refractive higher layers leading to some good DX off the back of this.
It all happens every day, just over a smaller frequency spread. On 40m, it's open worldwide in darkness, and goes local during the daytime. Why? The ionosphere is always ionized enough to reflect 40m signals back to earth. The radio wave excites an ionized +- pair, which moves and then reradiates the signal a quarter cycle later, inducing a height-dependent delay that does the reflection. In the daytime, the sun ionizes down to lower altitudes, where the mean free path is smaller, and the +- pair collides with something before it reradiates, and the radio wave is turned to heat (absorbed). Higher frequencies survive shorter mean free paths, and even higher frequencies don't reflect at all. So it's always 3 regiemes: absorbed (low freq), reflected (medium freq), unreflected (high freq). Exceptional solar activity ionizes deeper into the atmosphere, turning everything into daytime low frequency. Normal solar produces reflections at 20m and absorption at 40m daytime, and reflections at 40m and no reflection on 20m nighttime.
Carrington Event was estimated to be an X45 flare. The largest of the recent bunch was X5 something. Its a log scale. X45 is 10^40 times stronger than an X5 !!!!
Of course i would test my new SDRplay dx the first night of the aurora in the UK and wondered if i had a faultly unit! Quickly discovered that this was the same for my RTL-SDR then shortly after @TechMinds let me know of this unprecedented phenomenon 😂
An observation. You do all the exams, get the best radio and antenna system and when the sun decides, no communications EXCEPT for good old 27mhz CB No matter what there is always some nong out there on 11 metre band. ALWAYS!!
For anyone not from Australia your bands seem absolutely dead even at your busiest. I suspect it's because you live in a nanny state with a government that dissuades you from ... well, having any form of fun what so ever, what with anything remotely fun being outlawed or heavily regulated.
About 20 years ago I had a sked with K8WPI (now SK) on 40 meter CW, him in Long Island NY and me in Kalamazoo MI (about 1100 km). It was during a geomagnetic storm, and the HF bands were absolutely dead. Since it was a sked I tried anyway. His signal was extremely weak, barely budged the S-meter, but was easily readable because of the quiet bands. RST 519.
As opposed to low frequency? No. FM is much better. Most of your radio stations are on high frequency wavelengths because AM suffers so much interference.
Check out "Aurora Propagation on 6 Meters Keith’s Ham Radio World" - he has a video of turning his antenna from a direct contact to auroral and back again.
Why is it nobody is talking about haarp? Its even on their website that the experiments can cause auroras, they transmit between 2.8 - 10mhz and amateurs are encouraged to follow along and send signal reports. The experiments were to run 8-10th may coinciding with the auroras. Nobody in amateur radio is talking about this and you all seem to think its a natural phenomenon
I have several comments:
1. Excellent explanation, I could never get to grips with the solar physics, you made it so simple, will view this video a few times till it sinks in.
2. Your high school science teacher would be proud of you.
3. I didn't know that Daleks could get an amateur radio license!
20m has been very good in the middle of the night. I am in UK and have been hearing stateside strongly even on short telescopic whip.
Aurora activity is a bonus for 6 meters. You can bounce signals off of the aurora and contact stations. A 4-element beam is ideal to get great DX. I’ve been doing it for years.
And yes, heard a few fellow farmers complaining their GPS systems were playing up!
It was weird, there was nothing, then I had one QSO to New Zealand (I'm in California) with 50 watts and a dipole, and then nothing the rest of the time. I'm glad I got on the air, I hadn't played radio in weeks and the aurora got me motivated.
Cool seeing the lights from Australia. Being in Alaska, we see them all the time, but of course this time we had too much daylights and clouds to see them in Alaska. Normal solar flares usually create so much absorption here in KL7, we can't work anyone, much less hear anyone.
Hayden,
I remember this very same thing happened during the sun spot cycle back in 1989.
At it's peak, the HF and shortwave bands were damn near un-usable, but it got better on the down slope part of the cycle and returned to normality in 1996.
Interesting things solar cycles.
Hopefully we get some good conditions soon!
In 1990-92 i could talk dx 24/7. Was booming day and. Night
Great discussion Hayden! At ~2:36, you mention that HF transmissions can get absorbed by the ionosphere during a geomagnetic storm, so they won't get refracted and therefore no skywave. There's another effect as well as described in the Wikipedia 'Ionosphere' page under the 'Storms' heading. 'During a geomagnetic storm the F₂ layer will become unstable, fragment, and may even disappear completely'. No F2 layer at all is certainly going to make the HF bands go quiet!
Yes very good point! Space weather is very interesting!
Many newly licensed hams seem to think it's lack of users. Cannot understand why they are not being heard. They got use to vhf uhf fm with Repeaters and some with dmr and dstar . Now HF is a completely different ball game. Many gone back to vhf.. many like me started on HF. HF was ham radio for us oldies. We learnt quickly about propagation. It will eventually get back to normal.
There is no "normal" on HF. I'm a 45 year ham and in the 4 cycles ive been through this is the quietest ive ever seen for such a prolonged period of time. It can be frustrating.
@@Jeff-sp7bgjust getting into amateur radio! If i had known this, i wud have stuck with my uv device and got the hf radio 5 yrs later!!
Just for curiosity sake, I put a digital volt meter across my vertical and horizontal antennas and I noticed that my horizontal antenna accumulated the most DC voltage reaching a high of 87 millivolts. Still a minuscule amount of energy induced into a 70 ft long piece of wire.
I got a new DJI drone the other day.... It is grounded because of solar flares. GPS and 2.4Gh spectrum hopping is affected.
Outback South Australia is just one big magnetic solar collector.
Thanks for this informative information.
Yesterday I experienced a strange happening, 20 and 40 meter bands allowed me to make contacts as close as 50 miles! Normal distant contacts were not possible. Other Hams were commenting on ability to make close contacts as well.
During the height of the storms I was not able to hear my state police on 155.58. The repeater is about 40 miles to the north. 18 hours later no problem.
I am going to take a Break from HAM Radio for like a Week or so. The Bands going to be super crappy...mostly dead as a Horse. Sporadically there is going to be some openings but not lasting long time. It repeatedly happens on every Year in the month of May.
6 meters was open for voice and CW in pockets, but it was strange though - everyone sounded like they were the Borg from Star Trek. I was tempted to call CQ saying that I was Borg!
40 meter in east side USA is great. Everything else here mud
Yeah i noticed the same
You have 1 more year 2025 is the height
@@jeffwright6685 and then it goes south for how long?
I recall during the last solar cycle maximum when I was working all over the place with 20 Watts, and the repeaters around the state were keying up one another in weird feedback oscillations to the point where control ops were having to shut them down altogether. The town cop stopped by my shack and asked me why his police-radio communications were so bad when he'd heard that radio communications were great due to solar activity.
Interestingly 10m (28MHz) did not receive the memo! Despite the complete dropout of most HF bands, 10m has been wide open (from VK4 at least) to all continents. Who knows how or why this single band was spared - actually enhanced to this amazing level. VK4UH
I would guess as the MUF goes up, the LUF (I just made that up!) goes up as well, so where we can't normally use 80m in the day, I'm guessing we couldn't use up to 15m or 12m, but could use 10m. There's also Sporadic E, there was a lot of that about as well.
@@paulsengupta971The LUF is real. A radio blackout is when the LUF (lowest usable frequency) is greater than the MUF (maximum usable frequency).
Great info Hayden. Maybe it's a good time for DMR on hotspots.
Here in WI USA our radio been dead starting day before eclipse in april bheavy( 10+s units) static day before and of eclipse then reduced for week and dad since now over month hope turnaround coming
Pretty wild for sure. Last week we went out to get some pictures of the Northern Lights (I'm in Canada), and had to use our GPS. Took longer than usual for our GPS to acquire a satellite so there was the effect mentioned. Watching the lights was amazing.
Very cool indeed!
Welcome to my almost daily issue here in Alaska. Another reason why logging Alaska is difficult for DX certificates. The Aurora Steel pot. Good video and thank you.
Thanks! I never thought about it that way - how often do you get disruptions?
I was able to chat with a guy that's 90 miles away off of a repeater that's WAY out of line of sight (other side of a large formation of rolling hills) for my handheld GMRS.
Complete washout on Saturday and Sunday and slightly picking up today..even the regularly heard hf nets were not copy able here in Chennai.
Because there are few licensed HF operators and 20% listed are dead, 60% don't use their HF license, and the last 20% are only on occasionally. Ham radio is not growing, it is not dead, however it is stagnate and has been for decades. Band conditions have nothing to do with it.
Yes it does have to do with conditions when the HF bands are open 10 meters and 11 meters especially 27.385 calling frequency is absolutely slammed from sunup to sundown and sometimes at night. When theres poor conditions like now. Theres zilch. That makes no sense at all
Not Dead Yet, just a flesh wound, CQ, CQ…
@@rrt08nice , Monty python would be pleased, lol
There’s no mystery. Hams have become lazy, they’re all on FT8 instead of picking up a mic or a key. 73s.
Great info! 👌🏼
Thanks! Hope you enjoy Hamvention 👍
Good Day and Thank You. Very educational and interesting for this HAM "listener". Best Regards
Glad you enjoyed it!
Worked VK9DX on 6m FT8 with 100w and a HO loop from central CA. The bands are not completely dead you just have to hunt harder for DX.
This is certainly true, HF propagation and the sunspot cycle does affect activity when the bands are dead. But there are other reasons worth a mention. When you factor in digital modes such as FT8, DMR , and modern SDR rigs it all becomes very clear indeed. A lot of Hams have moved over to DMR now, given up calling CQ on HF preferring instead to stare at the bandscope, and if they see no activity switch the rig off. Plus the HF bands are very noisy now in most urban areas, so weaker signals get buried in the noise, and you just can't hear them. Finally contesting seems to have become more popular over recent years, so for a lot of Hams they only operate during contest activity, which decades ago wasn't an issue. Back then, Hams held nets and regularly talked to one another on 160, 80 and 40 in the evenings during the week, even in periods of high sunspot activity as I remember. Ham radio was the first social network for radio technically minded individuals, to get together on air and discuss radio. Ham radio has changed so much now, from what it was decades ago, you're bound to get less activity on air.
Was 6 meters any good? (don't have a 6M antenna yet so idk ?!)
Yes 6m was good via auroral propagation. Yagi or directional antenna is really needed, pointing south
Zl1gam bad on 80 and 40 metre band
thanks so much for this video - I'm basically VERY new at HF and even though there were questions on the test about this it has been difficult to udnerstand and put into practice. I did a POTA last weekend and it took 4 hours to be able to activate the park I was in and that included FT8 and SSB - I wanted to do it totally with SSD but I just couldn't hit 10 but at least with the handful of FT8 I was able to do it. It was brutal to say the least...
No problems glad it helped! Good luck on your next activation
@@HamRadioDX This weekend was pretty rough too - might have been my antenna...
It's quite amazing how the sun can be our friend one minute and then next our arch enemy!
thanks for the clarity, and kudos for the reference to Dr. Skov
Tamitha is the go-to for this kind of stuff!
I checked 7mhz on Saturday, it was pumping better than usual in my opinion, I don't know why people were saying HF was dead? Maybe the DX was down but NVIS was fine.
Pay attention to the BZ index as well. I negative value can indicate a stronger negative interaction of the Storm with our magnetosphere...
FT8 and JS8 40 and 17 still going somewhat though lower levvel absorption playing havoc. As the lower layers recombine more quickly they should unmask still highly refractive higher layers leading to some good DX off the back of this.
It all happens every day, just over a smaller frequency spread. On 40m, it's open worldwide in darkness, and goes local during the daytime. Why? The ionosphere is always ionized enough to reflect 40m signals back to earth. The radio wave excites an ionized +- pair, which moves and then reradiates the signal a quarter cycle later, inducing a height-dependent delay that does the reflection. In the daytime, the sun ionizes down to lower altitudes, where the mean free path is smaller, and the +- pair collides with something before it reradiates, and the radio wave is turned to heat (absorbed). Higher frequencies survive shorter mean free paths, and even higher frequencies don't reflect at all. So it's always 3 regiemes: absorbed (low freq), reflected (medium freq), unreflected (high freq). Exceptional solar activity ionizes deeper into the atmosphere, turning everything into daytime low frequency. Normal solar produces reflections at 20m and absorption at 40m daytime, and reflections at 40m and no reflection on 20m nighttime.
I did pick up a new country on ft8 40m yesterday, though it hasn't been confirmed yet.
Still working some dx on 11 mtrs from the uk tonight... All short stuff... North Italy Poland and Germany... Great for groundwave as well being quiet.
Are they? I get quite a lot on the SW bands.
Carrington Event was estimated to be an X45 flare. The largest of the recent bunch was X5 something. Its a log scale. X45 is 10^40 times stronger than an X5 !!!!
Imagine if that hit us - ouch!
some of the Australian MW frequencies also crashed, with no propagation
That audio clip just sounded like a normal QSO between 2 heavy smokers.
LOL
Dead? The bands seemed active where im at on 20 thru 6 meters.
Great stuff, and thank you for the deeper explanation!
No worries hope it was helpful!
Everyone needs to call, not just looking on the clusters....
Heck, I thought you were gonna say it was FT8!
Nice video mate!
Of course i would test my new SDRplay dx the first night of the aurora in the UK and wondered if i had a faultly unit!
Quickly discovered that this was the same for my RTL-SDR then shortly after @TechMinds let me know of this unprecedented phenomenon 😂
VHF was great, though...
An observation.
You do all the exams, get the best radio and antenna system and when the sun decides, no communications
EXCEPT for good old 27mhz CB
No matter what there is always some nong out there on 11 metre band.
ALWAYS!!
For anyone not from Australia your bands seem absolutely dead even at your busiest. I suspect it's because you live in a nanny state with a government that dissuades you from ... well, having any form of fun what so ever, what with anything remotely fun being outlawed or heavily regulated.
Nope, we live in a great part of the world. People get jealous
AM Radio. Shortwave Radio. CB Radio including the Free Band has been awful last few days here in North America & this storm will continue.
It has been good for the past week now irs back to nothing. Ive been on 38 lsb call freq
Had great backscatter on 11 during storm and arora peak.
There have been mass ejections bigger than than Carrington event but earth dodged them as they were on the other side of the sun.
Sunday 6m and 10m FT8 was pumping - go figure?
Was plenty of Aurora and sporadic E aurora on 10m here in norway. No problem to work FT8 via aurora ES. Audio is clear
I noticed between VK4 and USA was good. VK4CZ was working them well
There is no mystery here at all !! This has happened many times in the past, just as severe. Hams have come to expect this every Solar Max.
The record auroras are an indication of our own weakening magnetic field and our own inevitable pole shift by 2050.
About 20 years ago I had a sked with K8WPI (now SK) on 40 meter CW, him in Long Island NY and me in Kalamazoo MI (about 1100 km). It was during a geomagnetic storm, and the HF bands were absolutely dead. Since it was a sked I tried anyway. His signal was extremely weak, barely budged the S-meter, but was easily readable because of the quiet bands. RST 519.
They aren't dead, they're just taking a nap. A really long nap....
Nice job.
Sounds like Steve and David need to ease up on the ciggies.
Interesting stuff thanks
Das Problem ist das man nirgends mehr eine Antenne aufbauen darf.
As opposed to low frequency? No. FM is much better. Most of your radio stations are on high frequency wavelengths because AM suffers so much interference.
Aurora Borealis!? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, localized entirely within your kitchen!?
Yes champ
@@HamRadioDX May I see it?
@@DellFargus All gone
Ive seen the sfi at 220+ and the k was 1 k 1. I heard nothing. Zilch. In my opinion those numbers are worthless
Like giant solar pimples popping and throwing junk at us.
Not if your on gmrs.....
Yep. It was dead! Yay first!
Dead on arrival :-)
1st!
🏆
5:55 I think he needs a throat lozenge
That's Backscatter skip.
@@cariboooutlaw4852 yeah it was a joke
Check out "Aurora Propagation on 6 Meters Keith’s Ham Radio World" - he has a video of turning his antenna from a direct contact to auroral and back again.
cq from hell hahahahahahaha
Why is it nobody is talking about haarp? Its even on their website that the experiments can cause auroras, they transmit between 2.8 - 10mhz and amateurs are encouraged to follow along and send signal reports. The experiments were to run 8-10th may coinciding with the auroras. Nobody in amateur radio is talking about this and you all seem to think its a natural phenomenon
Did you not see the CME from the sun? People saw it happen and gave a warning it was going to hit earth.
America should stop messing around with the planets atmosphere. It belongs to us all
It's ATROCIOUS. I can't even get out on ft8.
Ft 8 doesnt even count
@Jeff-sp7bg oh boy here we go..🙄
Activated. Only made 33 qsos via ft8.
Just normal here in Iceland, radio blackout :( 73 de TF2MSN
I was able to make three 6M contacts on FT8 over the weekend. Saw on the spotter that some areas of the USA was open down your way.
Yeah it was open the following morning here (well not here but in Northern VK)