By the way for anyone unaware: The healing at x2 works a little interestingly. How the healing actually works is that every second the weapon is readied (can't be holstered) you build up 5HP of healing and every 7 seconds it bursts healing a maximum of 35HP per 7 seconds. The one thing a lot of people miss on this though is that you don't have to wait every 7 seconds for the heal. When you stow the weapon it'll give you that burst of healing depending on how much healing you built up. So if you had the weapon up for say 9 seconds then swapped, you would get 35HP at 7 seconds and then 10HP when stowed. Similarly, if you only had it out for 3 seconds and stow it, you'll heal 15HP immediately. It's not a ton when paired with Heal Clip on the solar pulse for example, that's a lot of little heals that work with each other in a pretty big way.
@@gokkiyoutube the way I see it is it's something added just to neutralize any dmg that might have broke though whatever survivability tool you use. Or for buffs that are purely dmg resist such as frost armor or woven mail, then it gives you some passive healing when you would have none
A 35% damage buff for just being in combat? Isn’t that the same percentage as Surrounded? EDIT: Surrounded is 40%. Still, just 35% for being in combat seems wild. Rampage only gets up to 33ish% after three kills
@@looksnormalThat's a lie. OG frenzy was 20% then got nerfed to 15%. This new raid park is practically frenzy but better for damage. If you are in combat for a little bit of time you get 20% which is what OG Frenzy was, then if you're in combat for even longer you get a 35% damage buff which is really good for just not even needing to kill anything
@@ThePackman627at the same time though you could totally just throw on 1 for all and get the same damage amount for just hitting 3 enemies instead of having to wait for the perk to proc
MoA shouldve inherit the same requirements as Desperate Measures. Get kills with anything for even just a tiny boost. It's not as good as Harmony and Desperate Measures is more intuitive in this current sandbox.
@@althechicken9597 yeah but its double the time to get the buff, 24 seconds is a long time to spend in combat, that makes it much more situational than frenzy
People are complaining about the heal when it gives a 35% damage buff for free- that over double on frenzy and more universal than firing line. Even rampage doesn't give that much off of 3 kills.
ik raid perks should be good but also thats 100% getting a nerf, theres no way. u also can note its on noted underperformers(barring the smg) and New Frames so its not super sandbox shattering
imagine the healing stack with other healing things/damage resist with the prismatic toolkit tho. why yall expecting the healing to be red death or sum shit
Because it should coming from the most annoying raid in D2 history, and you have to be in consistent combat for 20secs. I don't think you know how long that actually is and how easy/quickly it is to lose that buff than it is to gain it.
@@Lorentz_Driver seeing I'm in thr .010% of the player base, there is no skill issue on my part as I'm not vern that even uses noob perks like Frenzy. Because on unskilled use/rely on that perk to begin with.
@Lorentz_Driver nice try pretending to be edgy/cute though. 90% of the time the battle is finished before frenzy even procs for me which is why I can't stand the perk as the fight is over before 12secs as I'm moving to the next section.
why does everyone here think this perk is that strong, or even op? "it's a better frenzy" I disagree. frenzy maxes reload and handling, while this provides an extra 20% of damage. weapons with frenzy are basically allowed an extra perk while weapons with chaos reshaped are pretty much forced to use some kind of reload perk to be playable. you need to be in combat for 24 seconds and if it lasts just as long as frenzy, falls off after 7 seconds of not being in combat, so you will frequently see this perk deactivating shortly after, or even before getting to x2. but the main problem is this: on top of rarely actually being able to make use of the full 35% buff, it isn't enough to make legendary primaries compete with exotic options. you will never see anyone use this, seriously, in a pve scenario if we're talking about optimal play. the one weapon I could maybe see being decent with it is the pulse, because it's solar and pulses got big buffs on tfs launch, but I don't know how good the numbers on the two burst frame are. I'm assuming it's still cope.
To me, this perk seems useless for most people. Assuming you’re at all competent, and you’re playing less than master level content, this perk will almost never activate. Maybe you’ll get one stack but if that’s the case I’d say the handling and reload benefits of frenzy outweigh the 5% extra damage from this perk. Now in master and above content absolutely this perk is peak but most content in the game isn’t that and even then most players aren’t playing that consistently anyway.
in most gms this is probably even worse than in base level content. strikes usually have combat sections and then some traversal, and then rinse repeat. if you manage to get this perk to x2, you're most likely about to leave combat again. that paired with the fact that having a good weapon to kill ads is more important in gms, which means you most likely want to use an exotic primary over any chaos reshaped weapon because they're better anyway, and nobody wants to wait 24 fucking seconds for your gun to become useable.
@@SolaceV9 I think it would work for things like gms if you aren’t using rocket cenotaph, but outside of that and raids I’d say this is useless and getting way overhyped.
I came up against a very aggresive titan player in pvp with this and he was smoking my fireteam. I would speculate based on the recluse with surrounded procd that he is under a .6 ttk
@@looksnormal it is literally free healing for playing the game. if you're expecting a secondary effect on a damage perk to be effective sustain and not just a little treat you're absolutely delusional.
@@burnin8able you know what else is literally free healing? Red Death, Recuperation, Healing nades, Rifts, Precious Scars, Sunspots, several Origin Traits ect. Why would healing be a part of the perk, have a 24s activation time, but be effectively useless? This is about as good as restoring 2 health per second: you wouldn't even notice the effect. A secondary effect is supposed to make this perk unique and viable, but it does not. Everyone is still just going to use B&S for damage and OFA for ad clear or whatever the closest second happens to be
@@looksnormal oh yeah, all these free healing effects such as uh... spending exotic slots, your entire grenade, your entire class ability, and armor mod slots and capacity... so the exact opposite as free. Costly, in fact. having a small amount of actually free healing on a damage perk that doesn't diminish the efficacy of the damage perk itself IS an effect that makes it unique by definition. even at one stack, 20% damage buff that can be activated under effectively 100% of all combat encounter scenarios is objectively good no matter how you slice it.
@Lorentz_Driver says a female that uses the perk unlike me who never uses the perk as I finish the battles before 12secs. So, really if you actually think about it, frenzy is literally a perk for the ones who actually have skill issues like you... smfh hahaha
@@immortalmachine5839 For real, this might be close to BIS for many GMs... Any healing is better than no healing and +35% damage for plinking targets with long range weapon at safe distance?
@@immortalmachine5839 Id say its a better ENDGAME PERK. Frenzy is elite in PVE because its both a damage and reload perk. With Chaos Reshaped, you are basically trading the maxed reload for higher damage, which is arguably less important than max reload speed outside of endgame unless you run something like Rain of Fire
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Weak healing, but this damage boost makes Frenzy look like a chump. Oh well at least Frenzy still buffs reload speed and handling lol.
yeah but I mean hey, free extra healing is free extra healing. I aint gonna complain
Yeah, fun thing, the SMG can run Enlightened Action alongside this perk to also have that reload and handling bonus lolol
By the way for anyone unaware:
The healing at x2 works a little interestingly.
How the healing actually works is that every second the weapon is readied (can't be holstered) you build up 5HP of healing and every 7 seconds it bursts healing a maximum of 35HP per 7 seconds.
The one thing a lot of people miss on this though is that you don't have to wait every 7 seconds for the heal. When you stow the weapon it'll give you that burst of healing depending on how much healing you built up. So if you had the weapon up for say 9 seconds then swapped, you would get 35HP at 7 seconds and then 10HP when stowed. Similarly, if you only had it out for 3 seconds and stow it, you'll heal 15HP immediately.
It's not a ton when paired with Heal Clip on the solar pulse for example, that's a lot of little heals that work with each other in a pretty big way.
I was expecting 0-Recovery continuous health recovery, not... whatever that was.
Good thing the healing isn't the main appeal of the perk, just a little bonus
@@jibbily27 Of course, but at that point what's the point?
@@gokkiyoutube the way I see it is it's something added just to neutralize any dmg that might have broke though whatever survivability tool you use.
Or for buffs that are purely dmg resist such as frost armor or woven mail, then it gives you some passive healing when you would have none
Gna complain abt health when it’s already giving u 20-35% dmg for just being in combat 😂
You really gonna complain about free healing?
A 35% damage buff for just being in combat? Isn’t that the same percentage as Surrounded?
EDIT: Surrounded is 40%. Still, just 35% for being in combat seems wild. Rampage only gets up to 33ish% after three kills
Same as one for all and old BnS. Surrounded is 40 for everything but swords.
yes it is, idk abt enh tho
og frenzy was 30%
@@looksnormalThat's a lie. OG frenzy was 20% then got nerfed to 15%.
This new raid park is practically frenzy but better for damage. If you are in combat for a little bit of time you get 20% which is what OG Frenzy was, then if you're in combat for even longer you get a 35% damage buff which is really good for just not even needing to kill anything
@@ThePackman627at the same time though you could totally just throw on 1 for all and get the same damage amount for just hitting 3 enemies instead of having to wait for the perk to proc
Babe, wake up, Frenzy 2 just dropped.
Master of Arms needs a buff.
Facts
MoA shouldve inherit the same requirements as Desperate Measures. Get kills with anything for even just a tiny boost. It's not as good as Harmony and Desperate Measures is more intuitive in this current sandbox.
a better version of Frenzy basically, and with a healing on the side
More like a sidegrade since you are missing out on the reload speed and handling boosts.
@skullabrin3085 nah for 20% more damage than frenzy it's an upgrade, just one with trade-offs
@@althechicken9597 yeah but its double the time to get the buff, 24 seconds is a long time to spend in combat, that makes it much more situational than frenzy
People are complaining about the heal when it gives a 35% damage buff for free- that over double on frenzy and more universal than firing line. Even rampage doesn't give that much off of 3 kills.
f'real dawg. Any healing is good healing.
ik raid perks should be good but also thats 100% getting a nerf, theres no way. u also can note its on noted underperformers(barring the smg) and New Frames so its not super sandbox shattering
havent seen anyone speak if they heal while holstered so id assume it doesnt, but does it?
Because it is also on the glave, I am curious if it works with the glave's melee as well
Damn 35 is way more than I expected I was assuming like 25 max maybe
imagine the healing stack with other healing things/damage resist with the prismatic toolkit tho. why yall expecting the healing to be red death or sum shit
Because it should coming from the most annoying raid in D2 history, and you have to be in consistent combat for 20secs.
I don't think you know how long that actually is and how easy/quickly it is to lose that buff than it is to gain it.
@@taberjohnston1399 skill issue on your part
@@Lorentz_Driver seeing I'm in thr .010% of the player base, there is no skill issue on my part as I'm not vern that even uses noob perks like Frenzy. Because on unskilled use/rely on that perk to begin with.
@Lorentz_Driver nice try pretending to be edgy/cute though. 90% of the time the battle is finished before frenzy even procs for me which is why I can't stand the perk as the fight is over before 12secs as I'm moving to the next section.
Hey, you should make a vid telling everyone thay radiolarian fluid origin trait works with shoot to loot :)
That healing effect was way shitty than I Imagined..
Along with a 35% damage just for being in combat, its a good bonus. Keeps it from being a busted perk
you really gonna complain about free healing?
why does everyone here think this perk is that strong, or even op? "it's a better frenzy" I disagree. frenzy maxes reload and handling, while this provides an extra 20% of damage. weapons with frenzy are basically allowed an extra perk while weapons with chaos reshaped are pretty much forced to use some kind of reload perk to be playable. you need to be in combat for 24 seconds and if it lasts just as long as frenzy, falls off after 7 seconds of not being in combat, so you will frequently see this perk deactivating shortly after, or even before getting to x2.
but the main problem is this: on top of rarely actually being able to make use of the full 35% buff, it isn't enough to make legendary primaries compete with exotic options. you will never see anyone use this, seriously, in a pve scenario if we're talking about optimal play. the one weapon I could maybe see being decent with it is the pulse, because it's solar and pulses got big buffs on tfs launch, but I don't know how good the numbers on the two burst frame are. I'm assuming it's still cope.
Skill isue
Frenzy is 15% damage boost*
To me, this perk seems useless for most people. Assuming you’re at all competent, and you’re playing less than master level content, this perk will almost never activate. Maybe you’ll get one stack but if that’s the case I’d say the handling and reload benefits of frenzy outweigh the 5% extra damage from this perk. Now in master and above content absolutely this perk is peak but most content in the game isn’t that and even then most players aren’t playing that consistently anyway.
in most gms this is probably even worse than in base level content. strikes usually have combat sections and then some traversal, and then rinse repeat. if you manage to get this perk to x2, you're most likely about to leave combat again. that paired with the fact that having a good weapon to kill ads is more important in gms, which means you most likely want to use an exotic primary over any chaos reshaped weapon because they're better anyway, and nobody wants to wait 24 fucking seconds for your gun to become useable.
@@SolaceV9 I think it would work for things like gms if you aren’t using rocket cenotaph, but outside of that and raids I’d say this is useless and getting way overhyped.
I came up against a very aggresive titan player in pvp with this and he was smoking my fireteam. I would speculate based on the recluse with surrounded procd that he is under a .6 ttk
skill issue on your part
@@SolaceV9 Found the guy who doesn't GM
Bigger frenzy
Jeez bungie just gave up on powercreep didn't they.
Bad players mad it doesn’t give 200 hp
Real. People crutch way too hard on healing.
8 second cooldown should give more than 20 HP. You have to stay near enemies for 24s, so it might only have use in GMs and raids
@@looksnormal it is literally free healing for playing the game. if you're expecting a secondary effect on a damage perk to be effective sustain and not just a little treat you're absolutely delusional.
@@burnin8able you know what else is literally free healing? Red Death, Recuperation, Healing nades, Rifts, Precious Scars, Sunspots, several Origin Traits ect.
Why would healing be a part of the perk, have a 24s activation time, but be effectively useless? This is about as good as restoring 2 health per second: you wouldn't even notice the effect.
A secondary effect is supposed to make this perk unique and viable, but it does not. Everyone is still just going to use B&S for damage and OFA for ad clear or whatever the closest second happens to be
@@looksnormal oh yeah, all these free healing effects such as uh...
spending exotic slots, your entire grenade, your entire class ability, and armor mod slots and capacity... so the exact opposite as free. Costly, in fact. having a small amount of actually free healing on a damage perk that doesn't diminish the efficacy of the damage perk itself IS an effect that makes it unique by definition. even at one stack, 20% damage buff that can be activated under effectively 100% of all combat encounter scenarios is objectively good no matter how you slice it.
That healing is nothing
Any healing is good healing. Don't rely on one perk for surviving.
It should give 120 hp every 3 seconds 😡
Okay David
What a terrible perk.
skill issue
@Lorentz_Driver says a female that uses the perk unlike me who never uses the perk as I finish the battles before 12secs.
So, really if you actually think about it, frenzy is literally a perk for the ones who actually have skill issues like you... smfh hahaha
bungie knows how to make some real dogshit perks.
Bro this is literally a better version of frenzy what are you talking about
@@immortalmachine5839 For real, this might be close to BIS for many GMs... Any healing is better than no healing and +35% damage for plinking targets with long range weapon at safe distance?
@@immortalmachine5839 Id say its a better ENDGAME PERK. Frenzy is elite in PVE because its both a damage and reload perk. With Chaos Reshaped, you are basically trading the maxed reload for higher damage, which is arguably less important than max reload speed outside of endgame unless you run something like Rain of Fire
This is even better than Frenzy... stop smoking
literally free damage and healing but OK