That last video was great, and this one is too. THANK YOU for exploring both PC2 and elitism in Sim-Racing. I've got issues with PC2's Force Feedback & AI, but that doesn't mean it should be completely written off as it often is, and having grown up with GT2, I always appreciate it when a Racer builds personality with its menus and music. P.S. What do you think of Automobilista 2 if you've played it?
Christiaan's FFB completely changed the game for me. Still can't be fucked to set up my rig and completely disable my desk to use it though, but when I do it's very enjoyable.
@@NikRomanoRacing Well I told you about it already, I just have this tendency to rewatch videos and wanted to point it out to Raycevik as mine was probably buried. But it does make a huge difference, I could suddenly feel all the small setup changes and catch slides. I'm still pretty shit at drifting, and think AC might still be better for that, but it's possible in PC2 to catch slides. Cars like the Toyota GT86 will also actually slide and do lazy drifts like real life unlike AC where it's almost impossible to break it loose.
Instant subscribe, this video is bang on. Elitism drives away more casual players, and sim racing needs numbers/bums on seats to actually survive as a thing.
It came too late for Project CARS 3 though, which is doing a 180 and marching off into arcade lala-land. After all, simulation means approximating real world behavior in a virtual environment as good as possible, yet when you start to temper with the laws of Physics so you always have perfect grip for gameplay purposes you are no longer creating a simulator but rather an arcade game with a carefully selected amount of simulated fundamentals. So yeah, not enough sales had them selling the studio to Codemasters and figuring out new ways to make a better buck. All fine but it just isn't Project Community Assisted Racing Simulator anymore. No community was involved and simulation isn't the goal, leaving only racing. So yeah, Project R is what it should be called.
It sad to see how lot of people loving this game when the IP is dead, The amount of hate it got from sim fans are insane during it launch. Thank You for covering this topic ,PC2 was first sim racing game and I love it.
I found your video coming from Random Callsign. I picked up project cars 2 deluxe recently because it was getting removed from stores and I never had it in my collection because of reviews and as a mostly single player gamer, what do you know, IM HAVING MORE FUN IN THIS TITLE than anthing else released in recent memory. This game is great!
god... thank you sir. I remember reading all the hate on reddit regarding pc2. And well I deleted the game, thinking it was bad. I loved it so much though. thanks to you im happy again as I will return to my favourite sim racing game :)
Thanks for making this video. I agree 100%. Former SCCA D production driver here and, other than the vintage cars having modern tires, I’ve always found PC2 to be really enjoyable and realistic (and to fix those vintage cars, all you have to do is drive with the “All Terrain” tires).
@@NikRomanoRacing Try the AMS2 Vintage cars. They are absolutely superb since some update. Just tested them on the Nordschleife in the beta and they just rock, even the Gen. 1, which was awful understeering once.
@@NikRomanoRacing It certainly will be, since it feels to me like the essence of pCars 2, AMS, rF2 and AC or is fixing all stuff that is bad in pCars 2. The tyre-model in pCars 2 got way too forgiving with the updates, especially regarding heat. On release it was more like AC and it needed tyre-management even through a short race. You could drift a GT3-car once, but not twice in a row and generally the slicks in pCars 2 feels too soft and too forgiving, also lacking FFB. Cars in AMS2 are soft and forgiving or stiff and unforgiving depending on the car, but I always feel in control and confident until i loose control mostly because of over-confidence, overcooking tyres or both. There is a healthy margin for errors unlike in AC in many cars, but not too much like in pCars 2.
PC2 forces you to drive race cars. Its focus on racing culture and discipline is top notch. I really appreciate that the game shows that racing is more than about reaching the podium every race. To win you gotta put the work and the laps in. I've played most sims AC, RRE, RF2 and PC2 does the best in getting you up and racing in no time. For everything you get out of the box plus a couple dlcs makes it one of the best values in sim racing.
Seriously! How does this not have 10x more views!??!?!! I hate the youtube algorithm but love your videos! Funny yet really informative and a breath a of fresh air perspective on the sim racing elitist.
Great content, subscribed! I have been away from sim racing for a long time and getting back into it has been great. Pcars 1 and 2 both still feel fantastic to me, having so much fun racing in those.
Thank you for confirming I made the right choice in going with this game for my first foray into Sim racing. Just got the Logitech wheel and pedals and a collapsible chair, and I'll upgrade in the future if this is for me.
I personally prefer AC for the feeling and sounds. But boy PC2 is seriously impressive with its weather and day night cycle systems. AND IT DOESN'T NEED ROCKET SCIENCE TO CREATE A PRIVATE GAME BETWEEN FRIENDS.
I tried the F40 on AC and PC2. Totally different behavior, the PC2 one seems pretty unconvincing. To much grip on the rears and can't feel the turbos kicking in as in AC. In general cars in PC seem to be easier to drive fast.
It depends very much on the setup and tyres. Tweaking it to make it more precise could be the key to make the rear more lively If you're talking about the street version of the f40, i like to drive vintage cars on all terrain tyres or even on winter tyres, and they feel much more alive. But i still have to understand well the f40 setup, as i have a problem with the car suddenly gaining grip mid corner Also, bare in mind that you have never driven an f40, so you can't really know how it should behave unless you informed well by reading magazines. I remember being disappointed with the porsche 917 10 because it oversteered mid corner even on long fast corners, but after some reading i discovered that the car was doing the same thing in real life too
After putting around 1100 hours in PC2 I can agree, it's pretty good. It's a shame people can't buy it anymore. I never really understood where the narrative around it being somehow less realistic then other sims came from but I guess It all has to do with expectations. I like dynamism in cars. And yeah PC2 was one of the best at that aspect. Sometimes it can get a bit wonky and some more complex cars do not have a proper simulation for all their features. But when it comes to letting the player experience pure driving fun it is second to none IMO. If you still have PC2 in your library I and didn't give it the time of day back then I urge you to give it a try. Jump in a Group 5 car or do some rallycross, or a hotlap in the BMW M1 Procar around the Ring. If you come back from that without having a grin on your face I don't think you understand what is fun about driving.
I completely understand the complaints in regards to polish or QoL features that are missing in pCars 2, but one complaint I've never understood is the driving itself. The vehicles behave no different than GTR 2 which was heralded as one of the greatest sims of all time, and the engine itself is a derivative of isiMotor; the team simply re-wrote enough of the engine to call it their own. Even worse, as you pointed out the people who criticize pC2 will then point to outdated, horrendous road cars on iRacing as the pinnacle of realism while a simple trip to the iRacing forums will reveal page after page of members begging iR to fix a given car because it has been broken for years and nobody races it anymore.
@@GTsimms That's very generous! I do not have the game yet. I feel like that's a lot of pressure to put out a video like this in a timely fashion...I have limited time to dedicate to youtube currently, and I wouldn't want you to your spend your money on me and have to wait 6 months for a video that may or may not be any good 😅
I play every Sim I get the money to buy, and still haven't wasted the amount that it's needed to race one series in iRacing, as Jimmy said when iRacing started the tire model revamp, we "We had bricks for tires before" lol
never comment on yt but I had to for this one finally someone whos funny actually races and gets straight to the point please make more content like this. Subbed
Wow great video. PC2 is my favorite race game. In fact before I tried PC2 on a rift s, I did not care all that much about racing. Three weeks after trying it, I had bought a TSPC wheel and pedals. And In a few months it's going to be a DD wheel, with proper pedals and a HP Reverb G2. Even not taking the realism in to account. Things like the racing engineer had made it much easier for me to understand tuning the setup. It introduced me to cars I never though I would like. Just the level of detail of everything is insane. It's just a joy to sit in some cars an drive. I will often drive a slower car in a multi class race and smile as the LMP cars scream past me.
That's awesome! As an avid race fan and car guy, I'm happy PC2 was able to bridge that gap for you and bring you into the dark side. I had a similar experience the first time I loaded into a race in VR. My friend and I picked the 1960s era Lotus F1 cars at Laguna Seca, and as soon as it popped up we just sat there staring at the incredible detail on the cars, both inside and out. I specifically remember looking at the reflections on the exposed headers on his car gridded next to me. Very cool stuff.
Just as i expected. I've never raced in a real track, but i drive cars irl too, and atleast the road cars always felt like they should in this game for me. FWD cars have understeer, but you can easily counter that by causing lift off oversteer to help rotate the car and maintain front end grip, and you can easily control RWD cars slides with proper throttle and wheel inputs. I like how race cars feel in this game, but i can't talk about those because I've never driven one irl. Edit: corrected a typing error
So I was enjoying PC2 a lot. Then my shifter came....at that point it seemed to me PC2 didn't care if I used the clutch or not regardless settings. Is it just not possible to set it up to require the clutch and also blow up my engine of I do something like down shift into 1st instead of 3rd? That got me playing AC, which has been fun until I'm now a bit frustrated with the XBOW in the career
You have just hit on my absolute number ONE issue with PCars2 - no you do not have to use the clutch. EVER. And that makes me irrationally angry. There is a lot of potential there and some of the cars in the game are fantastic but just as many are really bad.
Hmm, I feel like....it does care for me? Like, potential damaged transmission if not using the clutch. I'll have to go back and check. Could also be that different cars have different requirements, since some cars you really don't use the clutch on track.
@@NikRomanoRacing please do, I'm very interested as I liked it until then. I'm fairly certain I was hoping into cars that had H shifters and weren't specified as sequential gearboxes
@@ethanspi there is an option to turn off the automatic clutch, and you'll need go use it correctly on manual cars, and to start in automatics as well I'm late lol, but this may help you
Well said! Would love to hear your thought on ams2 - lot of "serious" sim racers are bashing it for basicly the same reason - its too slidey and at the same time its too grippy and hard to loose controll 🤷♂️
Love the video! I got PCars2 along with a few other sims (including AC) in a bundle for quite cheap, and it was the first one I tried out. I think there are a couple of big reasons why the handling gets complained about: If you're an inexperienced racer (like I was), and you find yourself in a career series like Formula C, where the first track is a cold Brno, and you've opted for the "loose" setup, you're absolutely going to have problems. In this scenario, the track is cold and the tyres never get up to temperature - which was absolutely infuriating to the point where I Google'd it, and the number of results for "Formula C has terrible handling" is quite extensive. But you know what? I wised up. I've spent nearly 200 hours in the game now, driven many different series and cars, and worked out - the default setups aren't necessarily bad, but the game doesn't necessarily choose the right tyres automatically. For example, Formula C doesn't have soft or hard slicks - only one type. So unless it's raining, it defaults to slicks regardless of track temperature. The better choice in this scenario are either sport or wet tyres. But then the next problem - I ended up significantly lowering the difficult on Formula C just so I could escape the series and get into a different car. It was only after that point, driving Group A, Clio Cup, Renault Trophy RS, Porsche Cayman, and Formula Renault, that if your throttle control isn't right... the car will do exactly what you tell it to do. These days I'm running around AI strength of 100, trying to iron out the rest of my flaws, and I am quite confident that if I put the time back into Formula C, I could be racing at a strength of 100 with the experience I've gained in around 100 hours driving time since then. I also found that driving Formula Renault actually helped me the first time I went back to a go kart track - I was posting times within 2-3 seconds of the faster on the leaderboard despite not having been there for over a year (still knew the track layout well). So obviously PCars2 is doing something right.
Hey Nic, Thanks for making that video. You have totally nailed my thoughts on racing games... You enjoy what you enjoy... I'm part of a decent community that tries to show the best of each game. I still can't believe the lack of love for AMS2 but each to their own. Keep up the good work!
@@NikRomanoRacing yeah dude. If you enjoyed cars you'll really enjoy AMS2. Games are game there to enjoy... Kinda feel like Homer Simpson reviewing the restaurant's when talking about driving games. Haha
I've always loved project cars 2, I have no space for a wheel (one day) but after finding a guide online to help make controllers I found it much more enjoyable.
As you're waiting to have the space, the wheel market is really coming to you. Lots of more affordable DD options now, and of course that means lots of used Fanatec belt drives, etc.
Project cars 2 was my first sim racing game and i hated it till i played it for about 2 years and started to get decent with it. I only use controller and ive tried it on a wheel totally feels different but I prefer a controller. Project cars 2 is definitely one of my favorite racing games of all time. F1 2020 is always gonna be number 1 for me tho😂
Some players dont like force feedback of the game, but there are third party software to fix that, and then its pretty good. Best graphics, best immersion, best menu, best weather system, and whit the third party software it becomes pretty realistic too.
So I really want to disagree with you but you made some very interesting points. You just got yourself a subscriber sir! You almost make me want to give PCars2 another chance. Almost.....
My real life experience is ~100 races, probably 300 total track sessions and I think you're mostly accurate on PC2. I find it just slightly numb at the limit, but then all sims are compared to irl. I think rf2 and automobilista transmit the feeling of the tires a bit better, but it is a subtle difference, not huge. PC2 has some superb content however (the vintage stuff generally captures the visceral energy of a race car very well). Great intro btw.
@@jorgenamnum6481 The simple version is, a video call where we watch your footage together. The more fun version is, I set up a server and we do lead/follow, etc. Depends on what software you use.
You "mention" Beamng at 5:41, could you make maybe a short video on it? It's one of my absolute favorite games and I'd love to hear about the realism from a driver's point of view.
I liked PC2 a lot. I used to play most of the time one track that i know and go from slowest to fastest cars and just enjoy it. Also u kinda have to know your car in PC2 and set it up pick up soft tyres and lover presure in them was basic stuff i was doing almost without thinking.
my biggest gripe with PCARS2 is the modding scene. for the life of me i can't figure out how to add mods to it but assetto makes it easy. but the weather is why i play PCARS, it just feels so good. rfactor2 as well, it's why i'm tempted to stop doing iRacing all together, aside from the obvious subscription model woes
I just bought a g923 and I was looking for some good racing titles. I bought ac and acc and both of them got me bored pretty quick. After I tried Forza motorsport and was a pleasant surprise. But man when I started playing pc2 and felt all those beautiful things through the wheel that the previous titles couldn't give me... Pc2 is amazing and I almost didn't buy it because of idiots commenting on the internet!
Thank you! Oh, jeez...I don't remember at all. I'm just on a basic G920, I don't think I really messed with the FFB settings much at all. I know many people have specific settings they prefer, but I never looked into it much. The stock settings, or at least what I assume were the stock settings, give me enough feedback for me to know what the cars are doing.
I have a G29, I'll go from first to last option, top to bottom. 75-90, 50-75, 25-50, 25-50. You want approximately this. There are many guides for this, if I were you, I'd check out Yorkie's guides. Good luck!
This video and your channel are gonna blow up, always gutted when I get to the end! Spot on with the elitism, my second hand G25 still does the trick just fine :)
Hope so! I mostly use a G920, though I definitely appreciate the additional accuracy when I get to use the Fanatec 2.5 at the office...back when going to offices was a thing. I find that a better wheel matters much more for drifting than for grip driving.
@@NikRomanoRacing I drift pretty well in AC with my G29. Had no issues on a DFGT before that either (I had modded pedals though). Before that I had a Fanatec Porshe GT3 AND LOVED IT TO DEATH... until it broke. So I then had them send me a replacement... that broke. So then I bought a DFGT with modded G25 pedals. That was in 2013. It still works like new and I'm waiting on my friends to get PCs to give it them. I bought a G29 with my PC in 2018 and it also still works and is the most I think I need for now. The only issue is when drifting at 2am while my daughter and wife are asleep. It gets pretty noisy.
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I tried AC, ACC, Raceroom, PC2 amongst other sims. The ones I really enjoy are ACC and PC2 for the driving model. I do have complaints about PC2 tho : -the penalty system ! (that can be turned off ) - the kerbs being whatthefuckityfuck on some parts - some lack of balance between cars in the same category ( you show the Group A in this vid, the skyline is SO OP in there. ), then that also can be fixxed by banning the use of a particular car in a championship. But the racingi in champs I commentate / participate in is just amazing and I had incredible battles on this game, which is, in the end, what we want, to have fun battle for positions. PS: I do know it's logical to have "OP cars" in categories if their real life counterparts were also OP. but still, makes everyone choose the same car if you don't stop them from doing so.
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Also, if I look by gametime, PC2is the only one I got more than 1000 hours on XD oh another thing I don't really like, we can't rock multiple custom liveries for the same car unless we use a mod
I do agree about kerbs, they are a bit hard to deal with sometimes, and customer liveries would be a great addition. I have a comment somewhere in here about my ideal racing game, add Forza livery maker and Photoshop imports to that list.
Today I was watching a guy power sliding at Donington Park and his wheel input reminded me of Project Cars 2 more than any other simulator. I always praised pC2 features and gave it a hard time about the physics and the handling. I need to re-think now what are the underlying reasons pC2 doesn't feel natural to drive to me same when I drive rFactor2, AMS1 or Asseto Corsa 1 for example.
The only problem I see with PC2 is that the cars seem to be underpowered at high speed. For example the Nismo GT-R can normally hit 300kmh on the long straight line on Nurburgring. There's ton of videos of stock GT-Rs hitting that speed on Nurburgring however in PC2 it's impossible to go over 280kmh... Both my 2009 GT-R could go over 300 and my 2017 can also go. Tested in real life, but in PC2 it is impossible. And for people saying that I need to change setup, close radiator opening etc, that's not the issue. On a real gtr you do not have the option to close the radiator opening and you do not have to do anything to the car to be able to go 300+. It goes like that from factory.
Hey man fellow is300 owner here and would love to here you point of view on how the car performs compared to other cars and why you chose it as one of your vehicles !
I picked it mostly because it was something different. Everybody has a 3 series, S2000, or Miata race car. It also has an extremely reliable engine, I was already friends with Figs Engineering so I had a good source of aftermarket parts, and I just think they are cool. The challenge of trying to build a different and unexpected car sounded like a lot of fun, so I went for it!
@@NikRomanoRacing if you can get 'Amderson .Paak' or 'Steve Lacy' in the next one, I'll be really impressed.. seriously though so nice to see a vid that bigs up PC2, amazing how reviews can have such an effect. I already own the damn thing and was tempted to download Rf2 or AC just because of people saying PC2 isn't a sim. What even is a sim? Would it matter? No, I've sadly never raced a car. I'm enjoying PC2 so who cares!
If You guys ever feel like playing PC2, I am in a Discord which does the mod stuff and my channel has a dedicated Playlist which almost has all the mods ever made for this game.... th-cam.com/play/PLblolwR0ehykfEY7RCdLT-ES0_7ILQ9Zp.html
The only true racing sim is Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing and there's nothing you can do to change my mind.
I wouldn't want to change your mind.
Big mothafukin rigs
The Semi-trucks?? Interested to know why
Big rugs
Probably the most underrated sim channel ever. I could watch this on repeat for hours.
I mean, nobody is stopping you :D
@@NikRomanoRacing my thoughts exactly
That last video was great, and this one is too. THANK YOU for exploring both PC2 and elitism in Sim-Racing. I've got issues with PC2's Force Feedback & AI, but that doesn't mean it should be completely written off as it often is, and having grown up with GT2, I always appreciate it when a Racer builds personality with its menus and music.
P.S. What do you think of Automobilista 2 if you've played it?
I haven't tried it yet, but I want to!
Christiaan's FFB completely changed the game for me. Still can't be fucked to set up my rig and completely disable my desk to use it though, but when I do it's very enjoyable.
@@JZStudiosonline I keep hearing about it, but haven't tried yet. I'll have to give it a shot one of these days.
@@NikRomanoRacing Well I told you about it already, I just have this tendency to rewatch videos and wanted to point it out to Raycevik as mine was probably buried. But it does make a huge difference, I could suddenly feel all the small setup changes and catch slides. I'm still pretty shit at drifting, and think AC might still be better for that, but it's possible in PC2 to catch slides. Cars like the Toyota GT86 will also actually slide and do lazy drifts like real life unlike AC where it's almost impossible to break it loose.
Instant subscribe, this video is bang on. Elitism drives away more casual players, and sim racing needs numbers/bums on seats to actually survive as a thing.
It came too late for Project CARS 3 though, which is doing a 180 and marching off into arcade lala-land. After all, simulation means approximating real world behavior in a virtual environment as good as possible, yet when you start to temper with the laws of Physics so you always have perfect grip for gameplay purposes you are no longer creating a simulator but rather an arcade game with a carefully selected amount of simulated fundamentals.
So yeah, not enough sales had them selling the studio to Codemasters and figuring out new ways to make a better buck. All fine but it just isn't Project Community Assisted Racing Simulator anymore. No community was involved and simulation isn't the goal, leaving only racing. So yeah, Project R is what it should be called.
It sad to see how lot of people loving this game when the IP is dead, The amount of hate it got from sim fans are insane during it launch. Thank You for covering this topic ,PC2 was first sim racing game and I love it.
I found your video coming from Random Callsign.
I picked up project cars 2 deluxe recently because it was getting removed from stores and I never had it in my collection because of reviews and as a mostly single player gamer, what do you know, IM HAVING MORE FUN IN THIS TITLE than anthing else released in recent memory. This game is great!
@5:58 I thought I had you nailed, thought it was going to be a picture of a sea on a map or IRL, but it was C, the programming language.
Well played
Gotta keep you on your toes, playa
god... thank you sir. I remember reading all the hate on reddit regarding pc2. And well I deleted the game, thinking it was bad. I loved it so much though. thanks to you im happy again as I will return to my favourite sim racing game :)
Thanks for making this video. I agree 100%. Former SCCA D production driver here and, other than the vintage cars having modern tires, I’ve always found PC2 to be really enjoyable and realistic (and to fix those vintage cars, all you have to do is drive with the “All Terrain” tires).
The older cars that "move around" are, in my opinion, totally on point. Anyone who has raced on bias ply tires knows, that's the way cars were!
@@NikRomanoRacing Try the AMS2 Vintage cars. They are absolutely superb since some update. Just tested them on the Nordschleife in the beta and they just rock, even the Gen. 1, which was awful understeering once.
@@Leynad778 I'll get AMS2 before too long, everything I've heard says it's right up my alley.
@@NikRomanoRacing It certainly will be, since it feels to me like the essence of pCars 2, AMS, rF2 and AC or is fixing all stuff that is bad in pCars 2. The tyre-model in pCars 2 got way too forgiving with the updates, especially regarding heat. On release it was more like AC and it needed tyre-management even through a short race. You could drift a GT3-car once, but not twice in a row and generally the slicks in pCars 2 feels too soft and too forgiving, also lacking FFB. Cars in AMS2 are soft and forgiving or stiff and unforgiving depending on the car, but I always feel in control and confident until i loose control mostly because of over-confidence, overcooking tyres or both. There is a healthy margin for errors unlike in AC in many cars, but not too much like in pCars 2.
PC2 forces you to drive race cars. Its focus on racing culture and discipline is top notch. I really appreciate that the game shows that racing is more than about reaching the podium every race. To win you gotta put the work and the laps in.
I've played most sims AC, RRE, RF2 and PC2 does the best in getting you up and racing in no time. For everything you get out of the box plus a couple dlcs makes it one of the best values in sim racing.
Agreed!
I laughed I cried, I thanked Ham for bringing me here
I actually really enjoy project cars 2. Not every car feels right but many feel really good. I find the formula renault to be a blast to drive around.
This is absolutely the best. Freaking hilarious while informative. Great work Nik.
You've found your niche, sim racing, and you've found your style. Run with it!
Working on it!
This channel is pure gold !!!
Seriously! How does this not have 10x more views!??!?!! I hate the youtube algorithm but love your videos! Funny yet really informative and a breath a of fresh air perspective on the sim racing elitist.
Cuz I'm tiny! The algo cares not for my struggles.
Glad you liked it though 😁
Great content, subscribed! I have been away from sim racing for a long time and getting back into it has been great. Pcars 1 and 2 both still feel fantastic to me, having so much fun racing in those.
Man,this channel is a gem... I never even played PC2 and enjoyed it
would love to hear your take on PC2 vs AMS2
This made me feel better about loving Project Cars 2. I used to love Grand Turismo so PC2 felt like a more realistic version of GT.
Thank you for confirming I made the right choice in going with this game for my first foray into Sim racing. Just got the Logitech wheel and pedals and a collapsible chair, and I'll upgrade in the future if this is for me.
You're welcome! Enjoy the ride.
quietly playing single player career mode on my own. It's my friend in the lockdown. The bots never complain about the handling or tires.
he was the hero we needed but not the one we deserved
Totally loved this video despite the fact that I'm no fan of PCars 2. Loved the narration and creativity. And you're right - enjoy what you enjoy!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I personally prefer AC for the feeling and sounds.
But boy PC2 is seriously impressive with its weather and day night cycle systems.
AND IT DOESN'T NEED ROCKET SCIENCE TO CREATE A PRIVATE GAME BETWEEN FRIENDS.
Same.
I tried the F40 on AC and PC2.
Totally different behavior, the PC2 one seems pretty unconvincing. To much grip on the rears and can't feel the turbos kicking in as in AC.
In general cars in PC seem to be easier to drive fast.
It depends very much on the setup and tyres. Tweaking it to make it more precise could be the key to make the rear more lively
If you're talking about the street version of the f40, i like to drive vintage cars on all terrain tyres or even on winter tyres, and they feel much more alive. But i still have to understand well the f40 setup, as i have a problem with the car suddenly gaining grip mid corner
Also, bare in mind that you have never driven an f40, so you can't really know how it should behave unless you informed well by reading magazines. I remember being disappointed with the porsche 917 10 because it oversteered mid corner even on long fast corners, but after some reading i discovered that the car was doing the same thing in real life too
dude, great video. I 100% agree with you. now lets do a time attack HWY 1 event in PC2 in a 80s muscle car.
Yessss. It's not quite Forza levels of automotive creativity, but at least there's a lot of variety.
6.31 Absolutely brilliant, PMSL! i love Pcars2 with Popsracers FFB files! Subbed and liked mate 👌
After putting around 1100 hours in PC2 I can agree, it's pretty good. It's a shame people can't buy it anymore.
I never really understood where the narrative around it being somehow less realistic then other sims came from but I guess It all has to do with expectations. I like dynamism in cars. And yeah PC2 was one of the best at that aspect. Sometimes it can get a bit wonky and some more complex cars do not have a proper simulation for all their features. But when it comes to letting the player experience pure driving fun it is second to none IMO.
If you still have PC2 in your library I and didn't give it the time of day back then I urge you to give it a try. Jump in a Group 5 car or do some rallycross, or a hotlap in the BMW M1 Procar around the Ring. If you come back from that without having a grin on your face I don't think you understand what is fun about driving.
I completely understand the complaints in regards to polish or QoL features that are missing in pCars 2, but one complaint I've never understood is the driving itself. The vehicles behave no different than GTR 2 which was heralded as one of the greatest sims of all time, and the engine itself is a derivative of isiMotor; the team simply re-wrote enough of the engine to call it their own. Even worse, as you pointed out the people who criticize pC2 will then point to outdated, horrendous road cars on iRacing as the pinnacle of realism while a simple trip to the iRacing forums will reveal page after page of members begging iR to fix a given car because it has been broken for years and nobody races it anymore.
Haven't tried GTR 2, but it seems like the hivemind of the sim racing community just likes to condemn certain games.
Nik, PC3 is out and I would like your opinion. Do you have the game?
If you don't, I will offer to purchase it for you!
@@GTsimms That's very generous! I do not have the game yet. I feel like that's a lot of pressure to put out a video like this in a timely fashion...I have limited time to dedicate to youtube currently, and I wouldn't want you to your spend your money on me and have to wait 6 months for a video that may or may not be any good 😅
@@NikRomanoRacing i think that you would like the game.
I play every Sim I get the money to buy, and still haven't wasted the amount that it's needed to race one series in iRacing, as Jimmy said when iRacing started the tire model revamp, we "We had bricks for tires before" lol
amen
never comment on yt but I had to for this one finally someone whos funny actually races and gets straight to the point please make more content like this. Subbed
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the most underrated channel ever
Wow great video. PC2 is my favorite race game. In fact before I tried PC2 on a rift s, I did not care all that much about racing. Three weeks after trying it, I had bought a TSPC wheel and pedals. And In a few months it's going to be a DD wheel, with proper pedals and a HP Reverb G2. Even not taking the realism in to account. Things like the racing engineer had made it much easier for me to understand tuning the setup. It introduced me to cars I never though I would like. Just the level of detail of everything is insane. It's just a joy to sit in some cars an drive. I will often drive a slower car in a multi class race and smile as the LMP cars scream past me.
That's awesome! As an avid race fan and car guy, I'm happy PC2 was able to bridge that gap for you and bring you into the dark side. I had a similar experience the first time I loaded into a race in VR. My friend and I picked the 1960s era Lotus F1 cars at Laguna Seca, and as soon as it popped up we just sat there staring at the incredible detail on the cars, both inside and out. I specifically remember looking at the reflections on the exposed headers on his car gridded next to me. Very cool stuff.
I swear to god my video was stuck at 2x speed
Just as i expected. I've never raced in a real track, but i drive cars irl too, and atleast the road cars always felt like they should in this game for me. FWD cars have understeer, but you can easily counter that by causing lift off oversteer to help rotate the car and maintain front end grip, and you can easily control RWD cars slides with proper throttle and wheel inputs. I like how race cars feel in this game, but i can't talk about those because I've never driven one irl.
Edit: corrected a typing error
I have to wait for another PC 2 sales I guess.
With 3 coming out, maybe soon?
@@NikRomanoRacing welp pc3 is another forza/grid. big sad
Its 84% off on Steam right now
Bob ross simracing reference, im suscribed now
It's physically impossible to not like Bob Ross. Hard facts.
Sooo under rated! I couldn't even drink my coffee because of how much u made me laugh =)))))
Thanks for the high quality 1080p ADHD uploads
So I was enjoying PC2 a lot. Then my shifter came....at that point it seemed to me PC2 didn't care if I used the clutch or not regardless settings. Is it just not possible to set it up to require the clutch and also blow up my engine of I do something like down shift into 1st instead of 3rd?
That got me playing AC, which has been fun until I'm now a bit frustrated with the XBOW in the career
You have just hit on my absolute number ONE issue with PCars2 - no you do not have to use the clutch. EVER. And that makes me irrationally angry. There is a lot of potential there and some of the cars in the game are fantastic but just as many are really bad.
@@twalker294 damn. I was hoping I was missing something. That's a real shame 😭
Hmm, I feel like....it does care for me? Like, potential damaged transmission if not using the clutch. I'll have to go back and check. Could also be that different cars have different requirements, since some cars you really don't use the clutch on track.
@@NikRomanoRacing please do, I'm very interested as I liked it until then. I'm fairly certain I was hoping into cars that had H shifters and weren't specified as sequential gearboxes
@@ethanspi there is an option to turn off the automatic clutch, and you'll need go use it correctly on manual cars, and to start in automatics as well
I'm late lol, but this may help you
So, what has the most realistic physics model, PC2 or AC?
PC2 has a more detailed tire model, AC has more accurate tire slip physics. Real life is still the best simulation ;)
Nik Romano thx dude! Great video btw
@@thegingercarguy Thank you!
100% agree! I absolutely love ACC but jump into the 718 GT4 on PC2 and it instantly feels more alive.
i like you, you make good videos and ur very underappreciated. Thank you for being a good youtuber. I love you.
Thank you so much!
Well said!
Would love to hear your thought on ams2 - lot of "serious" sim racers are bashing it for basicly the same reason - its too slidey and at the same time its too grippy and hard to loose controll 🤷♂️
Love the video! I got PCars2 along with a few other sims (including AC) in a bundle for quite cheap, and it was the first one I tried out. I think there are a couple of big reasons why the handling gets complained about: If you're an inexperienced racer (like I was), and you find yourself in a career series like Formula C, where the first track is a cold Brno, and you've opted for the "loose" setup, you're absolutely going to have problems. In this scenario, the track is cold and the tyres never get up to temperature - which was absolutely infuriating to the point where I Google'd it, and the number of results for "Formula C has terrible handling" is quite extensive.
But you know what?
I wised up. I've spent nearly 200 hours in the game now, driven many different series and cars, and worked out - the default setups aren't necessarily bad, but the game doesn't necessarily choose the right tyres automatically. For example, Formula C doesn't have soft or hard slicks - only one type. So unless it's raining, it defaults to slicks regardless of track temperature. The better choice in this scenario are either sport or wet tyres.
But then the next problem - I ended up significantly lowering the difficult on Formula C just so I could escape the series and get into a different car. It was only after that point, driving Group A, Clio Cup, Renault Trophy RS, Porsche Cayman, and Formula Renault, that if your throttle control isn't right... the car will do exactly what you tell it to do.
These days I'm running around AI strength of 100, trying to iron out the rest of my flaws, and I am quite confident that if I put the time back into Formula C, I could be racing at a strength of 100 with the experience I've gained in around 100 hours driving time since then.
I also found that driving Formula Renault actually helped me the first time I went back to a go kart track - I was posting times within 2-3 seconds of the faster on the leaderboard despite not having been there for over a year (still knew the track layout well). So obviously PCars2 is doing something right.
Funny and Awesome. You rock!
YOU rock.
Hey Nic,
Thanks for making that video. You have totally nailed my thoughts on racing games... You enjoy what you enjoy... I'm part of a decent community that tries to show the best of each game. I still can't believe the lack of love for AMS2 but each to their own.
Keep up the good work!
I need to try AMS2 soon. It's build from the same engine as PC2, with some tweaks. I have a feeling I'll love it.
@@NikRomanoRacing yeah dude. If you enjoyed cars you'll really enjoy AMS2. Games are game there to enjoy... Kinda feel like Homer Simpson reviewing the restaurant's when talking about driving games. Haha
I've always loved project cars 2, I have no space for a wheel (one day) but after finding a guide online to help make controllers I found it much more enjoyable.
As you're waiting to have the space, the wheel market is really coming to you. Lots of more affordable DD options now, and of course that means lots of used Fanatec belt drives, etc.
@@NikRomanoRacing DD? Not sure what that means haha.
@@bodycountplays2915 Direct Drive wheels
Ahh that intro brother 😂😂😂👍🏁 Bob would be proud lol.
Sim racing is our hapy little place 😀😀👍🏁
Project cars 2 was my first sim racing game and i hated it till i played it for about 2 years and started to get decent with it. I only use controller and ive tried it on a wheel totally feels different but I prefer a controller. Project cars 2 is definitely one of my favorite racing games of all time. F1 2020 is always gonna be number 1 for me tho😂
the hero we didn't know we needed. Fantastic video :*
I'm not the youtuber you deserve, but I am the youtuber this city needs right now. Or something.
Hi great vid, this is my favorite PS4 racer. Which regular road car do u find most realistic? For me it’s the Jaguar F-Type Coupe.
Considering I paid 0 for this game, there’s enough setting guides and mods to make it a great basket of content
he looks like a sim racing bob ross and i love it
Some players dont like force feedback of the game, but there are third party software to fix that, and then its pretty good. Best graphics, best immersion, best menu, best weather system, and whit the third party software it becomes pretty realistic too.
So I really want to disagree with you but you made some very interesting points. You just got yourself a subscriber sir! You almost make me want to give PCars2 another chance. Almost.....
Boom. Thank you!
We need more of this sim content. You nail it mate 👍
I love Pcars2 was just nice to hit like 3 buttons and be in a race. Plus they had a nice group of cars that wasnt just all GT3 and F1 cars
Haha, great vid. I'm subbing!
I love you.
My real life experience is ~100 races, probably 300 total track sessions and I think you're mostly accurate on PC2. I find it just slightly numb at the limit, but then all sims are compared to irl. I think rf2 and automobilista transmit the feeling of the tires a bit better, but it is a subtle difference, not huge. PC2 has some superb content however (the vintage stuff generally captures the visceral energy of a race car very well). Great intro btw.
I do find myself increasing the FFB in PC2 vs. AC, so I'd say I agree.
@@NikRomanoRacing Hi love your vids! If AC is a 9 in realism what do you rate GT Sport?
@@jonitalia6748 Thanks! I'd say maybe a 5 or 6.
@@NikRomanoRacing I agree, the Nordschleife is way easy on GT
+2 on the vintage stuff in PC2. It's the reason I bought it.
boi you must make more videos like this, and also i just got into sim racing and you’re the tutor i need. teach me master.
Someday. But today is not that day.
Also I totally do sim coaching, if you're into that sort of thing.
@@NikRomanoRacing how do you go about it? coaching? id love to learn more.
@@jorgenamnum6481 The simple version is, a video call where we watch your footage together. The more fun version is, I set up a server and we do lead/follow, etc. Depends on what software you use.
You "mention" Beamng at 5:41, could you make maybe a short video on it? It's one of my absolute favorite games and I'd love to hear about the realism from a driver's point of view.
Oh man. I have no idea what a short video of BeamNG would be, since you can do literally anything in that game. I'll think on it.
I absolutely love the way you talk, like listening to Jim Carrey :D
I liked PC2 a lot. I used to play most of the time one track that i know and go from slowest to fastest cars and just enjoy it. Also u kinda have to know your car in PC2 and set it up pick up soft tyres and lover presure in them was basic stuff i was doing almost without thinking.
Bet i got more miles with one car in pcars 2 then you have with all the cars you driven in pcars 2........... just saying
@@w0nd3r6 Dont get it whats the point?
my biggest gripe with PCARS2 is the modding scene. for the life of me i can't figure out how to add mods to it but assetto makes it easy. but the weather is why i play PCARS, it just feels so good. rfactor2 as well, it's why i'm tempted to stop doing iRacing all together, aside from the obvious subscription model woes
he put BeamNG in the perfect sim group... im subbing
THANK YOU! I've been preaching the same for years!
I just bought a g923 and I was looking for some good racing titles. I bought ac and acc and both of them got me bored pretty quick. After I tried Forza motorsport and was a pleasant surprise. But man when I started playing pc2 and felt all those beautiful things through the wheel that the previous titles couldn't give me... Pc2 is amazing and I almost didn't buy it because of idiots commenting on the internet!
I'd love to see your take on rFactor 2
At some point, I will!
Most underrated simracing video ever.
Did anyone else notice, the kerbs feel much more normal when you disable or turn TC way down (experience on LMP2)?
Hey I love this video but wanted to ask you - What sort of FFB settings are you using? I get a little bit lost with PC2’s many force feedback options.
Thank you!
Oh, jeez...I don't remember at all. I'm just on a basic G920, I don't think I really messed with the FFB settings much at all. I know many people have specific settings they prefer, but I never looked into it much. The stock settings, or at least what I assume were the stock settings, give me enough feedback for me to know what the cars are doing.
I have a G29, I'll go from first to last option, top to bottom. 75-90, 50-75, 25-50, 25-50. You want approximately this. There are many guides for this, if I were you, I'd check out Yorkie's guides. Good luck!
Main takeaway is to try things for yourself and not let others decide for you
This video and your channel are gonna blow up, always gutted when I get to the end! Spot on with the elitism, my second hand G25 still does the trick just fine :)
Hope so! I mostly use a G920, though I definitely appreciate the additional accuracy when I get to use the Fanatec 2.5 at the office...back when going to offices was a thing. I find that a better wheel matters much more for drifting than for grip driving.
@@NikRomanoRacing I drift pretty well in AC with my G29. Had no issues on a DFGT before that either (I had modded pedals though). Before that I had a Fanatec Porshe GT3 AND LOVED IT TO DEATH... until it broke. So I then had them send me a replacement... that broke. So then I bought a DFGT with modded G25 pedals. That was in 2013. It still works like new and I'm waiting on my friends to get PCs to give it them. I bought a G29 with my PC in 2018 and it also still works and is the most I think I need for now. The only issue is when drifting at 2am while my daughter and wife are asleep. It gets pretty noisy.
I tried AC, ACC, Raceroom, PC2 amongst other sims.
The ones I really enjoy are ACC and PC2 for the driving model.
I do have complaints about PC2 tho :
-the penalty system ! (that can be turned off )
- the kerbs being whatthefuckityfuck on some parts
- some lack of balance between cars in the same category ( you show the Group A in this vid, the skyline is SO OP in there. ), then that also can be fixxed by banning the use of a particular car in a championship.
But the racingi in champs I commentate / participate in is just amazing and I had incredible battles on this game, which is, in the end, what we want, to have fun battle for positions.
PS: I do know it's logical to have "OP cars" in categories if their real life counterparts were also OP. but still, makes everyone choose the same car if you don't stop them from doing so.
Also, if I look by gametime, PC2is the only one I got more than 1000 hours on XD
oh another thing I don't really like, we can't rock multiple custom liveries for the same car unless we use a mod
I do agree about kerbs, they are a bit hard to deal with sometimes, and customer liveries would be a great addition. I have a comment somewhere in here about my ideal racing game, add Forza livery maker and Photoshop imports to that list.
I had to like and subscribe because of that intro. Remember me when you are swimming in your pool in a year or two.
It will be a barbie funhouse pool, but if you can fit you're invited.
@@NikRomanoRacing Aight bet
That was some real skill in the intro...even if you were looking at the screen...
Hehe thanks. I had my laptop next to the camera, but got dam was that hard to do.
Today I was watching a guy power sliding at Donington Park and his wheel input reminded me of Project Cars 2 more than any other simulator. I always praised pC2 features and gave it a hard time about the physics and the handling. I need to re-think now what are the underlying reasons pC2 doesn't feel natural to drive to me same when I drive rFactor2, AMS1 or Asseto Corsa 1 for example.
I find myself turning the FFB up a little in PC2 compared to AC, but really that's it.
FFsss! I died. 😂
The only problem I see with PC2 is that the cars seem to be underpowered at high speed. For example the Nismo GT-R can normally hit 300kmh on the long straight line on Nurburgring. There's ton of videos of stock GT-Rs hitting that speed on Nurburgring however in PC2 it's impossible to go over 280kmh... Both my 2009 GT-R could go over 300 and my 2017 can also go. Tested in real life, but in PC2 it is impossible. And for people saying that I need to change setup, close radiator opening etc, that's not the issue. On a real gtr you do not have the option to close the radiator opening and you do not have to do anything to the car to be able to go 300+. It goes like that from factory.
best racing ive had is the nsu ttys on raceroom door to door awesomeness
I hope you’re still posting videos because these are pretty good. I’m from the future 2024.🤘🏻🏁
I'm not not doing it...I just haven't done it in a long time. Life got busy, ya'know?
Hey man fellow is300 owner here and would love to here you point of view on how the car performs compared to other cars and why you chose it as one of your vehicles !
I picked it mostly because it was something different. Everybody has a 3 series, S2000, or Miata race car. It also has an extremely reliable engine, I was already friends with Figs Engineering so I had a good source of aftermarket parts, and I just think they are cool. The challenge of trying to build a different and unexpected car sounded like a lot of fun, so I went for it!
Really funny and really informative!
Thank you!
What a great video and the commentary while really funny is also oh so true. Loved it. Subscribed. Thankyou 👍
Thank you! More to come at some point!
Nik you gotta watch the movie Vanishing Point from the 70’s. Amazing driving
I've seen it! And the 90s remake. Recently re-watched the original Gone in 60 Seconds, too.
Awesome video. Love the quick talking and edits. Reminds me of Zero Punctuation videos. :)
I loved Zero Punctuation back in the day! Guess I figured out where I got the idea...
When I heard that intro... I got so excited.
Bob Ross is a national treasure.
Yup! I have fun racing PC2 with friends. Does anything else even matter?
The two most important things to me are:
-Do I have to re-learn how to drive?
-Am I having fun?
This video made my night take my sub
thank you i use them for sustenance
Omg this intro was amazing
Respect for the Internet reference. Great band, and great vid sir.
I was waiting for someone to get in there for The Internet. Thanks!
@@NikRomanoRacing if you can get 'Amderson .Paak' or 'Steve Lacy' in the next one, I'll be really impressed.. seriously though so nice to see a vid that bigs up PC2, amazing how reviews can have such an effect. I already own the damn thing and was tempted to download Rf2 or AC just because of people saying PC2 isn't a sim. What even is a sim? Would it matter? No, I've sadly never raced a car. I'm enjoying PC2 so who cares!
Sim racing games I enjoy are Race 07, GT Evolution & Project Cars
If You guys ever feel like playing PC2, I am in a Discord which does the mod stuff and my channel has a dedicated Playlist which almost has all the mods ever made for this game....
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Could you make one about ams 2?
I want to! Need more time to dedicate to this stuff.
I laughed so hard. I look forward to your next video.
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Excellent stuff :D Hilarious and still driving a good point home. I might actually agree 100%.
Hope the mic isn't too traumatized, sending my love.
The mic writes me from rehab every few weeks. The doctors aren't terribly positive, but I haven't given up hope yet.