★ 4K Cab ride 🇨🇭 Glattbrugg - Basel via Bozberg [2018]

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  • Today we are doing the same trip as 2 videos ago (along the Rhine), only this time, we're leaving Glattbrugg in the opposite direction, bypassing Oerlikon and taking the Bözberg route to Basel.
    I've included some interesting historic information here and there for anybody who is interested. Enjoy.
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  • @brendadawson6754
    @brendadawson6754 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a sweet video LE. I’m not into the Super Bowl but I sure loved the Puppy Bowl! ❤️

  • @atlanticcoastexpress
    @atlanticcoastexpress ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent and interesting thank you! I much appreciated the view of your locomotive snd its train of wagons…that really gives a good idea of what you were in charge of. Best wishes, Rob In Bournemouth, England.

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your input and support. All the best.

  • @chitrasalloom3724
    @chitrasalloom3724 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    A little rain, snow on the ground, luscious greens stretching as far as the eye can see, 180 degrees view, this video has it all. Switzerland, please come and take me there!!
    Thank you for another wonderful video. God bless you!!!

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. Yes, Switzerland is a wonderful place.
      God bless you too =)

  • @effettoantico1459
    @effettoantico1459 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    sempre un buon lavoro....

  • @HenrysAdventures
    @HenrysAdventures 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another great video! I loved seeing the many freight trains and loco hauled passenger trains!

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. Yes, the loco hauled passenger trains are slowly being phased out.. (at least the non push pull ones)

  • @trevorgarner5803
    @trevorgarner5803 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you again for an other amazing trip utterly spellbound with the scenery.
    Many thanks looking forward to the next trip.Kind regards TG.

  • @antoniogrottola6114
    @antoniogrottola6114 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bel video. Io adoro i treni , figlio di ferroviere, traffico intenso su questo tragitto e molte precedenze. Complimenti e cordiali saluti.

  • @dieterschroers8914
    @dieterschroers8914 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wieder ein prima Video! Schöne Überraschung bei 1:00:00, die rote Re 4/4 I mit dem Stadler Wagen für Aserbeidschan! Allzeit gute Fahrt und für 2019 alles Gute!

  • @videoferroviarigio402b8
    @videoferroviarigio402b8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Basel airport is always full of locomotives, an ideal platform for freight train enthusiasts.

    • @asocial957
      @asocial957 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      True that, the motives are loco, the call it Graffiti

  • @volodymyrkarpyak4158
    @volodymyrkarpyak4158 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Congratulations!
    00:00 Intro
    00:34 Glattbrugg
    05:02 Zürich Seebach
    07:25 Zürich Affoltern
    09:36 Regensdorf-Watt
    12:33 Buchs-Dällikon
    12:51 Buchs-Dällikon Industrie
    17:28 Otelfingen Golfpark
    17:45 Otelfingen Industrie
    18:14 Otelfingen
    20:07 Würenlos
    22:57 Wettingen
    30:08 Baden
    36:27 Turgi
    39:10 Brugg
    44:28 Villnachern
    46:42 Schinznach Dorf
    51:56 Hornussen
    54:49 Frick
    57:28 Eiken
    59:45 Stein-Säckingen
    1:05:57 Mumpf
    1:10:55 Möhlin
    1:15:05 Rheinfelden
    1:17:18 Rheinfelden Augarten
    1:19:31 Kaiseraugst
    1:21:21 Salina Raurica
    1:23:10 Pratteln
    1:25:34 Basel RB E
    1:29:10 Basel RB F
    1:29:26 Basel RB G

  • @andy537
    @andy537 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video and good to see routes that are less common.

  • @danamack7405
    @danamack7405 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi !!! I have previewed the video and love it !!! I like the rain, and hope you can get a ride in snow and next summer perhaps a thunderstorm. A heavy rainstorm would be welcome - all would be awesome !!!! Best regards, Dana.

  • @xavierthomas8311
    @xavierthomas8311 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    très belle vidéo . merci pour le travail et la visite de la région de Bale. Amicalement de la Bourgogne en France.

  • @MegaZorro04
    @MegaZorro04 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    bellissimo video in un altrettanto paesaggio invernale.

  • @neilforbes416
    @neilforbes416 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You can indeed have a lot of fun with "fade" transitions, as shown(15:10), making a train appear out of nowhere, like a ghost!😁

  • @adamw1944
    @adamw1944 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video. One of the best.

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Adam Witkowski Thank you. What makes you say that?

    • @adamw1944
      @adamw1944 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lorirocks777 Descriptions and 4K video.

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the feedback. I have to choose between 4K 25p & 1080 50p

    • @adamw1944
      @adamw1944 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lorirocks777 Go for it. 4K 30p for shorter cab rides and 1080 50p for longer videos. And finally, add few shots of the driver's cab and desk.

  • @ЛеонидМакаров-п1р
    @ЛеонидМакаров-п1р 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    У нас уже снег лежит 20 см. А у вас только припорошило, но всеравно красиво. Все просматривается и чистый воздух , люди куда-то едут, Много строится, «грибочками « стоят катеджи

  • @Stas1661
    @Stas1661 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    красота😊

  • @ЛеонидМакаров-п1р
    @ЛеонидМакаров-п1р 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    У нас уже зима во всю , снег 20 см. А тут только припорошило. Как будто осень с весной поменялись. Все равно красиво , светло и радостно. Все живет. Строится. Куда-то спешат люди по своим делам.

  • @mariochi1969
    @mariochi1969 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Precioso

  • @gabrimovies8181
    @gabrimovies8181 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    v.nice

  • @marcosantonio1006
    @marcosantonio1006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Assistir Iorirocks777 em: 06/06/2022, ás 15:34 minutos, Segunda-Feira. Estado de Pernambuco- Brasil.

  • @tabithamashburn8786
    @tabithamashburn8786 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Watching this video for first time, enjoying winter scene with railway. Hope everyone here has a Happy New Year 2021!

  • @chicodemoraes8356
    @chicodemoraes8356 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Another great video!
    Congratulations!
    ...and a Happy New Year to all there!

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! Happy new year to you and your family too!

  • @jansmith574
    @jansmith574 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    sehr schöne Fahrt. Härzlichem Dank aus Holland.

  • @richardhutchings921
    @richardhutchings921 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your videos.

  • @ulricha.
    @ulricha. 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Danke für die schöne Fahrt und die vielen Informationen. Güterzug fahren hat etwas direkt meditatives!

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Freut mich das es Ihnen gefallen hat

  • @railpast
    @railpast 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Couple things I noticed is the track work looks terrific with mostly welded rail and well maintained. The station are very clean but don't seem to be a lot of people for the number of passenger trains running. Not many 180 car freight trains like here in North America. Lots of locomotives in the yard not making any money. Other than that a great ride. I subscribed to your channel. More to come I hope.

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      railpast Thanks! Yeah, the traffic really depends on the time of day. You can be sure that locomotives standing around are planned for use. There aren't many reserves. SBB and BLS are both leasing a number of locomotives on top of that.
      I think I was travelling behind a passenger train here, hence the empty platforms. See my Chur - Zürich video for platforms filled with people - even though a train was 3 minutes ahead of me to help with capacity.

    • @railpast
      @railpast 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lorirocks777 Thanks, watching the Rhein one now. Great videos but a lot more fun in person. I do the web page for a shortline here Ontario Soutland Railway osrinc.ca and go ride with them once in a while. Use to run a lot of ALCOs and have 3 FPU units in regular freight service. I will check out your other videos.

  • @jcpjean-claude4446
    @jcpjean-claude4446 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    merci infiniment pour 1H 31 mn 55 s de rêve ! ( un Français né d'une maman Suisse ) j'adore ce pays et j'adore les trains !!!que demander de plus ?

  • @geoffreymartin2764
    @geoffreymartin2764 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This loco has good headlights.

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The camera here was better suited to lowlight.

  • @alekseypintar5682
    @alekseypintar5682 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Glückliches neues Jahr!!

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Aleksey Pintar Danke, Ihnen auch! =)

    • @СоветскийЧеловек-е3д
      @СоветскийЧеловек-е3д 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lorirocks777 12:07 Die hohe Linie, über der Eisenbahn, ist die Linie des Gleichstroms?

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Сергей Пронь Es ist auch wechselstrom soviel ich weiss, die Spannung ist aber höher.

    • @СоветскийЧеловек-е3д
      @СоветскийЧеловек-е3д 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lorirocks777 Aber dort vier Leitungen. Die Linien der hohen Anstrengung gewöhnlich 3 Leitungen. Nur die Phasen.

  • @southernbiscuits1275
    @southernbiscuits1275 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What grass is planted that grows so green during the winter months? It's really pretty.

  • @loudsubwoofer8492
    @loudsubwoofer8492 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    great vid, as always. love the scenery of switzerland. lorirocks!

  • @barboror
    @barboror 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the great reply below. This a cab ride on the line where we live. The speed restriction in the bottom right hand corner is in mph for the section of track the train is on. There seems to be a lot of engineering work in progress. as there are (yellow Temporary Speed restriction signs everywhere. There the normal cab sounds AWS (Automatic Warning Signal) and driver vigilance buzzer cancelled by the driver. There an interesting moment to where on a 100mph section of track the train brought to a halt due to failed signal and the driver talks to the controller and is given permission to proceed on a red signal. (what is interesting is the driver repeats back to the controller word for word what the controller tells him to do) I watch these videos on speed 2 the the gear cog on the bottom right hand corner of the video. I assume other people do too. The third rail is 750 volts and talk of replacing it Because the trains can not reach there maximum speed Easley +25% of the power of third rail lost to the Train heating: th-cam.com/video/O7hfyN5EvQM/w-d-xo.html

  • @luigibrunomanzini253
    @luigibrunomanzini253 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very well video ! Thanks

  • @joselitoeliaspereira2853
    @joselitoeliaspereira2853 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Eu gosto muito de ver esses vídeos de trem muito bom mesmo

  • @ingofussen8970
    @ingofussen8970 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Frohes neues Jahr!!!
    Bei min 54:50 gab es früher eine Weichenverbindung zu einem Anschlussgleis des Schotterwerkes kurz vor Frick, die Spuren davon sind noch sichtbar.
    Die beiden Überleitstellen kurz vorm Bahnhof Frick wurden auch erheblich nach hinten versetzt, hängt wohl mit dem 4m - Korridor und / oder mit der verkürzten Zugfolgezeit zusammen...Tolles Video Daumen hoch!!!!

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ingo Fussen Danke. Ja, es ist jetzt etwa ein Jahr her seit es entfernt wurde.

    • @AWSmith1955
      @AWSmith1955 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I thought the bucket cableway was pretty neat @ 54:20 and again @ 55:13

  • @AndreiTupolev
    @AndreiTupolev 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ah,Baden, I've seen that in other videos. Interesting to see the approach to it through the tunnel.

  • @zoqaeski
    @zoqaeski 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't think I'll ever get used to full bidirectional operations. Sometimes you drive on the left track, sometimes on the right, and which one seems to be entirely at the whim of the signaller.

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      zoqaeski It's definitely nice for a change as a driver.

  • @briancooper562
    @briancooper562 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is this the route the DB ICE1 and the SNCF TGV Duplex sets use? A TGV set was shown after Brugg.

  • @petermolloy6142
    @petermolloy6142 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you happen to know why SBB are building the new Bözberg tunnel? As far as I could see from this film, the length of the new tunnel doesn’t seem to be much different from the one your train used. Unless the “old” tunnel is wearing out and the new tunnel will be cheaper to maintain, but that would seem to be the only reason for the new tunnel.

  • @holtenauer63
    @holtenauer63 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    danke fürs mitnehmen !!!

  • @richardhutchings921
    @richardhutchings921 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is the lighted number under the signal?

  • @FedyaPestimeeff
    @FedyaPestimeeff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Скоро и у нас, в Сибири, будет снег.

  • @GEOONTUBE
    @GEOONTUBE 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    seems, according to the traction noise, that at the beginning there was a lot of slipping while accelerating: next time snow chains (:-))))
    ciao from Alptransit Luino

  • @richardhutchings921
    @richardhutchings921 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is the meaning of the word said at the 4532 mark?

  • @danamack7405
    @danamack7405 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any idea when you next might be ? (Any chance of one in a snowstorm ? ) Best regards Dana. (Wonderful, beautiful videos)

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'll make that a goal :-) Thanks for your feedback!

  • @dixiedean1955
    @dixiedean1955 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Both of these airport tanker trains have appeared to have taken a lot of effort to get going. There seemed to be a lot of slipping at the start of this journey in particular. Were you sanding the rails? Is the train really at the weight limit of the traction used?

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't sand unless its absolutely necessary. Newer locomotives just don't run as well in slippery conditions because of how smooth their wheels are. Older locomotives with brake shoes that are applied to the wheels have much better traction. The allowable weight of the train depends on the gradients. At the start, at least 3 times the weight would still have been acceptable, if not 4. The maximum weight pullable without endangering the couplings is 2500t at no gradient.

  • @AndreiTupolev
    @AndreiTupolev 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Astonished house 58:45!!

  • @amylucio
    @amylucio 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    best way to travel

  • @AndreiTupolev
    @AndreiTupolev 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ooh, that's a, what is it, 1946 vintage? Re 4.4 I right on 1:00:00, isn't it, from SBB Historic fleet?

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's privately owned. Re 4/4 I 10009

  • @Territet
    @Territet 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A very nice video. I'm not sure if others find the same, but the 4K videos do not play smoothly on all devices, even with a very fast internet connection, so I can only watch on my PC.

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks. So you prefer 1080 60p?

    • @Territet
      @Territet 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For my combination of TV, tablet and PC, it gives more consistent results, but other people may find 4K works OK for them. The Cornaux to Basel ride runs smoothly from start to finish.

    • @zoqaeski
      @zoqaeski 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      TH-cam has also been having issues with 4K videos, sometimes with the quality dropping for no apparent reason and other weird glitches.

    • @Territet
      @Territet 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lorirocks777 I have changed my router and this 4K video now works on my TV without any problems.

  • @rabde1041
    @rabde1041 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    nice, cool, wow!

  • @p0ly73
    @p0ly73 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    спасибо

  • @iantaf5559
    @iantaf5559 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A wonderful journey. Can you tell us anything about that locomotive that was hauling a single carriage departing Stein-Sackingen. Best wishes to you for the new year!!👍🏼

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      According to another viewer, the carriage was built by Stadler for Azerbaijan. My guess is that the locomotive is serving a company called SRT, but it could be another. SRT often carry out transports of Stadler vehicles.

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      By the way, its the former SBB Re 4/4 I 10009

    • @iantaf5559
      @iantaf5559 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Many thanks, sir👍🏼

  • @danamack7405
    @danamack7405 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I still did not get an idea when your next video might be ? Care to give a hint ? Best regards, Dana.

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dana Mack I have 2 coming up from Glattbrugg to Singen, Germany. 1 with perfect weather, the next shot with 3 cameras during snowfall :-)

    • @danamack7405
      @danamack7405 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lorirocks777 Wonderful and please do not forget to note the type of loco or EMU the video is filmed from so I can associate a picture with it. Warmest regards, Dana.

  • @stefanwernli190
    @stefanwernli190 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Danke wieder eine tolle Fahrt. Frage.... wieso fährt man öfters auf dem rechten Gleis (bei Doppelspur) inkl. Gegenverkehr. Ist mir schon paar mal aufgefallen, hier am Anfang Glattbrug bis zur Einspurstrecke. Aber auch bei anderen ihrer Videos

  • @andrex3954
    @andrex3954 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great trips and performance! A thousand thanks for your contribution! By the way, what camera do you use?

  • @barboror
    @barboror 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    IN UK we drive on the left, Left is up right is Down. why do you Change sides i seen many times midway through your journeys Please would you explain

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hi. We also normally drive on the left in Switzerland (adopted from the UK). Most neighbouring countries drive on the right.
      That said, much of Switzerland is very flexible for dispatchers. Sometimes switching sides resolves crossing problems and subsequent waiting times for other trains.
      For eg. A regional train arrives on the left side of station B and will head back to station A. Due to the change in direction it is now on the right side. At the same time a delayed goods train is approaching heading to station A. The dispatcher could let the regional train out on the right track while the freight train overtakes on the left. This is often the case between Frick & Mumpf. On the downside, this requires twice as many signals, however increases capacity.

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Sometimes track changes also occur due to track work, or simply to test the points. Dispatchers are required to use each point and track at least once on a daily basis, where possible.

  • @hcrun
    @hcrun 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Oerlikon....the home of the famous WW2 gun fitted to many British warships?

  • @neilforbes416
    @neilforbes416 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Skip ahead to 12 minutes so we viewers won't get wet, watching this video! LOL🤣

  • @asocial957
    @asocial957 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    From Glatt Bronx zu One united Flower

  • @asocial957
    @asocial957 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    In Basel nennen sie ihn au HAZEL Nussstrauch. Flexibel fuer Bogen

  • @AndreiTupolev
    @AndreiTupolev 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds rather as if it's slipping a bit climbing the ramp out of Glattbrugg at the start.

  • @MarinaOslova
    @MarinaOslova 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for the English subtitles. Ich sprache nicht Deutch.

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jenderleen Glad they help someone :-D

  • @bjorne-ekgren1
    @bjorne-ekgren1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tanke to train from Sweden

  • @geoffreymartin2764
    @geoffreymartin2764 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why when there are lots of powered double decker carriages why are so many sets of slave cars pulled by locos ?

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't quite understand the question. Swiss rolling stock has a lifespan of 40 to 60 years. Just because newer EMUs are available doesn't mean everything else is getting retired.

  • @ひろたなか-w7t
    @ひろたなか-w7t 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    北陸新幹線っぽいな線路があるらしいですね。動画をお願いします。

  • @CH-pv2rz
    @CH-pv2rz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video. Enjoyed it and your Beautiful Country… Thank you. Wish the idiot taggers would go away and stop destroying the scenery along the route.

  • @jamesjwalsh
    @jamesjwalsh 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Windshield wiper is blurring the video.

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its either that or rain drops that distort the picture

  • @7602HL
    @7602HL 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    good :~D

  • @kotej9703
    @kotej9703 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    когда смотришь как наши поезда едут то слышно скрип и скрежет, а тут тишь да гладь, наверное поезд бракованный )

  • @АнатолийКуценко-ц5в
    @АнатолийКуценко-ц5в 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    👍👍👍💝💝💝👏👏👏👌😍

  • @asocial957
    @asocial957 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sollte heissen Glatt Bronx - HAZEl

  • @helveticaplays8559
    @helveticaplays8559 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wiiter so

  • @けんさん-f8t
    @けんさん-f8t 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    旅行者の気分害する沿線の落書きにはウンザリ
    鉄道会社は何の対処もして無いのか
    スイス人は無関心なのか
    スイスではレーテッシュ鉄道以外は乗りたく無いな‼️

  • @usersok9066
    @usersok9066 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jare......... Gaandu

  • @bahnnvids_nordwestschweiz
    @bahnnvids_nordwestschweiz ปีที่แล้ว

    Was für eine überführung wäre es in ss?

    • @lorirocks777
      @lorirocks777  ปีที่แล้ว

      Jemand hats mal in den Kommentaren erwähnt..