There's a 'nuclear' consequence to avoiding escalation. Vlad is one of the few who point this out. It's really a wash, IMO. We can't sit and let Russia continue on its present course. We need to let Ukraine defend itself and we need to give Ukraine what it needs to protect its airspace. Perhaps a larger point is that Putin views the west's restraint as weakness; he'll take advantage of that.
He's been taking every advantage that his "enemy" democracies have let open to his endless network of operatives (military, business, informational, digital, intel, sabotage, logistics etc.). This is a full-blown hybrid-WW3 and so few in the "west" are actively fighting back. Nonetheless, pushack is increasing - it's just a question will we do enough.
I recommend: Jeffery Sachs Glenn Diesen Anatol Lieven Col Lawrence Wilkerson Chas Freeman US Ambassador Jack F Matlock Alfred-Maurice de Zayas John Mearsheimer Richard Sakwa Sumantra Maitra Nicolai Petro Daniel Davis deep dive Alexander Mercouris Neutrality Studies Judge Napolitano Geopolitical Economy Report The New Atlas Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft
I've only seen Vlad in a couple of things but I'll be sure to look further into his channel now. It's good to hear a more political and sociological analysis about the events going on.
I alway enjoy and appreciate Vlad’s views. I am a new subscriber to you, Pytor, and now I’m also a fan. Thank you both for your insight and deliberations.
I’m American and watched many vlogs since the war began (Ben Hodges, Bill Browder, and many other geopolitical, military, Putin & Russian experts) and these analyses on motivations and potential consequences across all significant entities has been exceptionally unbiased and the most informative by Mr. Vlad Vexler. Your questions were also spot om Mr. Kurzin. Thank you both very much!
If the threat of nuclear weapons use by Putin is low currently, this seems like the perfect timing to formulate the Ukraine and NATO strategy to completely liberate Ukraine to its 1991 international borders, especially for European and American security and stop hiding behind fear of Putin escalation?
they are largely irrelevant. They are not the ones tying Ukraine's hands. Biden is. Scholtz is. Starmer is. Macron is weak. Spain doesn't give a shit. The other NATO members simply don't have influence or are to dependent on US to make their own decisions.
We gotta pull together. Keeping it real. Without ? What will happen 😮. He obviously doesn't Care for his own soldiers..Find the right places to use those huge bunker busters.His doubles are too obvious.
The US staying power in conflicts it has participated in has been questionable since the Korean War. Therefore, a cynic could possibly conclude that their motives are not what they claim to be. You know, fighting evil regimes, promoting democracy or saving democracy as is the case in Ukraine. My opinion is the US killed democracy in Ukraine in 2014. Russian subsequent involvement there is quite another subject and open for debate.
I'd like to know the specific reason why we haven't provided Ukraine with adequate defense against Russian glide bombs, drones, etc. It seems a no-brainer to me. I've not heard a word about how doing so could potentially 'escalate' the stuation. So.....????
Bombs glide from planes. Pkanes live on airfields in russia. West says it's ok for russia to use chinese, iranian and north korean rockets. But says it's bad if Ukraine uses the wests missiles against planes. Poland could have shot down a rocket that killed wife and 3 daughters leaving only the dad. But US told them not or there might be escalation. Thd west wants for russian rockets and planes to run out killing ukrainian people.
Pretty simple. The US and the west don't make enough air defense interceptors to make a difference. US only makes 240 pac 2 interceptors a year and only 550 Pac3 interceptors per year. Typically two interceptors are fired at an incoming target, if we use this equation and round up we get around 400 possible Interceptions with 800 interceptors, that's assuming a 100 percent interception rate, which is frankly impossible. At the same time Russia fired over 4000 missiles annually, that doesn't include drones. This equation will never favor Ukraine or the west. The US and the west de industrialized itself, they shipped manufacturing overseas and inflated their economy with gdp numbers that are irrelevant to production. The gdp is artificially inflated by counting things like debt, into the gdp. The west is simply not able to produce military aid in a quantity that will make a difference
Pyotr, thanks for featuring your conversation with Vlad; please make your questions shorter and more concise. Stop showcasing what you know in each question.
Vlady boy, a distinguished member of the alphabet community, most of all likes to appear and sound intelligent. He just loves the sound of his own voice. Just like the story of Narcissus, who walked by a pool of water and decided to drink some. He saw his reflection, became entranced by it, and killed himself because he could not have his object of desire. Because of this tragedy, the Thespians came to honor and reverence Eros especially among the gods.
The biggest threat to the territorial integrity of Ukraine is US & UK itself. Think in a cool manner. Russia is your neighbour and not your enemy. Moreover Russia is wounded with the disintegration of USSR, yet it didn’t attack any of its former states, until 2014 when it took over Kremia, (for hundreds of reasons). Ukraine is given ample chances to settle issues, but it is UK and US, again remain adamant for its own strategic interest for a weaker Russia. So, who suffered? One can say, the Zelensky's administration is at fault in all. Kursk incursion carry no weigtage, when compared to a larger goal.Its not at all a victory. Russia can easily handle the Kursk incursion at its own time and in its style.
This guest of yours is just extremely conceited and sounding self-important. On what basis he calls Ukraine 'democratic'. Just trying to sound very sophisticated does not make you an genius analyst.
Who won the first Chechen-ruzzian war in the 90's? Who won the soviet-Afghan war? Is russia heading towards victory? Ukraine has managed to occupy more territory in Kursk in 1 month than russia in East Ukraine in 1 year.
@@enriquelaroche5370 Well the world has lived with large stockpiles of nuclear weapons for over 80 years now, unfortunately some risk is just part of the human condition. MAD will likely continue to ensure that the risk remains low, as attacking a country using nuclear weapons would invite a reprisal in kind. Obviously the mere existence of nuclear weapons does not imply that Putin is allowed to get away with anything he wants.
@@zolandia5262 We have lived with Tall buildings for centuries and discovered that disregarding warnings and jumping off the roof can result in tragedy.
@@RuslanKvitnevyi that’s called a conflict and not in relation to the full scale war that has commenced since 2022. Try making more a substantive point
@@theglobalgambit for some reason y'all western folks act like Crimea and Donbas never happened, which affects understanding the whole situation and overall misleading.
As a Dutch/European, I am ashamed and frustrated by the fear politics of Biden and Scholz. I hear sounds around me that people are even turning away from the Americans and Germans. These sentiments will be even louder in Ukraine and many Eastern European countries. This will have negative consequences for the Americans and Germans in the future. After all, it is they who have abandoned freedom and democracy for their own fear, politics and selfishness for their own wallet.
This is absolutely amazing, you managed getting Vlad Vexler in your show (got so much respect for Vlad Vexler, his approach to world's biggest threats and...well, in general the man's ability to explain complex, multilayer stuff to average joe like me, is almost unparalleled) Oh, almost missed - great host of course 😄👍
Looking at the military side... I'm seeing Russia moving forward into Ukraine which stretches the supply lines necessary to keep the momentum valid. In Russia's case though, it's not just food, supplies, arms, ammo, and hardware, it's also troops... which are depleted at a rate that could by itself overwhelm supply lines. Mostly when Ukraine has been systematically tearing up those supply lines both physically with bombing and continually with drones. So, Russia keeps moving forward using it's horrifying bulwark idea of shooting anyone who tries to retreat. What do you have? You have depletion, no morale or valid intention and thereby you have a basically invalid military. It will be ineffectual. Look further and you see the ambition of putin's generals to TAKE LAND by any means necessary and the logistics is irrelevant, and you get a military force that you are depending on that has extended itself beyond supply and beyond rescue.. into the enemy's fist. This.. is what is happening. The Ukrainian army is about to surround and capture a significant number or people who've been bought... conscripted... forced, and payed, to go to the front. This is not only a logistical win, it's a propaganda tour de force.
@@matsfrommusic Boots on the ground is DEEPLY unpopular pretty much in every NATO country, even Poland, Czech, Romania. And don't get me started on US. besides, US and Western Europe are in total meltdown due to domestic political issues. If the West JUST gave Ukraine the right weapons at the right time, Ukraine would take care of Russia themselves.
Couldn't a compromis be reached in regards to the use of western weapons inside of Russia? Something that goes like "well, x kilometers into russian territory, that is militarized territory, we consider that part of the war and Ukraine can strike without consultation. +y kilometers deeper into russian territory, that is militarization hinterland, Ukraine may strike with consultation. Anything further than that is generally prohibited with our weapons, unless we review these rules and make changes".
Question: what are your thoughts on Putin focusing on the Artic its riches in gas, territory and setting off a nuke in the artic clearing a route for gas exports to China.
@@theglobalgambit tug of war implies no agency on the part of Ukraine. which is one of the russian narratives. It implies that the West was somehow PULLING Ukraine. In fact as you well know the West in the person of Gerorge Bush Sr came and spoke in Ukrainian Rada as the USSR was breaking up and urged Ukraine to remain under Russia. All US presidents declined to let Ukraine into NATO or EU. Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama - all "recognized Ukraine as a key Russian interest". Obama urged Ukraine to do nothing and watch as Russia seized Crimea and invaded Donbass. And Ukraine did nothing. Biden expected Putin to conquer Ukraine in a matter of weeks and did all he could to reiterate daily that US soldier WILL NOT defend Ukraine. So what Tug of War are you talking about?
@@theglobalgambit I wrote a lengthy reply and it seems YT just deleted it. I'll try again and maybe repost it as a separate comment. Tug of War hos no agent in the middle. Only 2 agents at the ends. It implies a lack of agency of Ukraine. Tug of War implies the West was Pulling Ukraine. When in actuality: 1. George Bush Sr came and spoke in Rada to urge Ukraine to remain under Russia when the USSR was breaking apart. 2. Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama - all did not let Ukraine into EU or NATO. all "recognized Ukraine as a key Russian interrest". 3. When Russia invaded Crimea and Donbass urged Ukraine to not respond. Not respond it did. Russian annexed it's land and ZERO consequences followed. 4. Biden made a deal with putin to let him invade Ukraine. Then spend every hour reiterating how US soldiers will not defend Ukraine. Then was shocked when Ukraine did not succumb to Russia in 3 weeks or so, as he had planned. So what Tug of War are you talking about? here's a better analogy: There is a Castle and the rich wealthy West sits in it and trades with the Barbarians. The Barbarians come and pillage the peasants living in front of the Castle. The Castle has arms and walls but wont let the peasants in. They watch the Barbarians destroy the peasants and wonder how much longer they have to wait to resume trade with the Babarians.
A bit poor performance of the interviewer. No follow up questions on Vlads more uncommon views on Russia. Also it seems like the interviewer wanted another kind of interview than he got. Not sure if there were a miscommunication before hand.
Thanks for watching. Give the video a LIKE - it’s free but helps me a lot- and consider subscribing to know when part 2 releases.
Thank you, Pyotr, for inviting Vlad. Thank you, Vlad, for your eloquence. Amazing.
🇺🇦 Перемоги та миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦
USA doesn't have many more ATACAMs to give. Are they supposed to create more out of thin air?
one of my fav conversations for sure
Дякуємо!
It’s a treat to see you two together! The best from Chicago. 💙💛
Yay! Thank you! hello from London
A treat indeed. Two delusional fools exchanging meaningless word salad😆😆😆. Are those guys for real???
There's a 'nuclear' consequence to avoiding escalation. Vlad is one of the few who point this out. It's really a wash, IMO. We can't sit and let Russia continue on its present course. We need to let Ukraine defend itself and we need to give Ukraine what it needs to protect its airspace.
Perhaps a larger point is that Putin views the west's restraint as weakness; he'll take advantage of that.
USA doesn't have many more ATACAMs to give. Are they supposed to create more out of thin air?
The truth is that no Western leader wants to use his country for nuclear gambling.
Exactly right
He's been taking every advantage that his "enemy" democracies have let open to his endless network of operatives (military, business, informational, digital, intel, sabotage, logistics etc.). This is a full-blown hybrid-WW3 and so few in the "west" are actively fighting back. Nonetheless, pushack is increasing - it's just a question will we do enough.
Vlad has taught me so much this last couple of years. Really. And in the most refined and kind way. I highly recommend his channel.
refinement is a perfect word
I recommend:
Jeffery Sachs
Glenn Diesen
Anatol Lieven
Col Lawrence Wilkerson
Chas Freeman
US Ambassador Jack F Matlock
Alfred-Maurice de Zayas
John Mearsheimer
Richard Sakwa
Sumantra Maitra
Nicolai Petro
Daniel Davis deep dive
Alexander Mercouris
Neutrality Studies
Judge Napolitano
Geopolitical Economy Report
The New Atlas
Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft
I've only seen Vlad in a couple of things but I'll be sure to look further into his channel now. It's good to hear a more political and sociological analysis about the events going on.
I alway enjoy and appreciate Vlad’s views. I am a new subscriber to you, Pytor, and now I’m also a fan. Thank you both for your insight and deliberations.
Pyotr is okay, a bit limited in his understanding outside the Atlantic. I bet he'll learn quick
yes, Vlad, a good commentator to bring in .. insightful
epic right
Glad to see the beautiful Vlad here!
He’s quite the dapper gent isn’t he 😎
You’re getting some great guests lately!
only onwards and upwards from here
I pity zelensky its a lesson learned for them and to the world. Never trust NATO and the US. Every nation should work for their defense.
I’m American and watched many vlogs since the war began (Ben Hodges, Bill Browder, and many other geopolitical, military, Putin & Russian experts) and these analyses on motivations and potential consequences across all significant entities has been exceptionally unbiased and the most informative by Mr. Vlad Vexler. Your questions were also spot om Mr. Kurzin. Thank you both very much!
Wow. Thank you l really appreciate that. We can always improve but we really trying hard to make quality content and conversations so means a lot
Finally, an intelligent discuss. Well done.
Much obliged. Give it a share to support further
Excellent interview. Articulates the current state of play exactly. Thanks!
If the threat of nuclear weapons use by Putin is low currently, this seems like the perfect timing to formulate the Ukraine and NATO strategy to completely liberate Ukraine to its 1991 international borders, especially for European and American security and stop hiding behind fear of Putin escalation?
Slava Ukraini ❤️💖❤️🩹
😂😂😂😂slava begginsky
😎
Listening you and beautiful Vlad from
Italy 🇮🇹 🇺🇦🇺🇦
Героям слава🔱
@@dannydetonator 😂😂😂😂slava koke junkie Z.
Yes while I agree with you about the squabbling in NATO, I guess two of the main problems are Turkey’s and Hungary. What can be done about that?
they are largely irrelevant. They are not the ones tying Ukraine's hands. Biden is. Scholtz is. Starmer is. Macron is weak. Spain doesn't give a shit. The other NATO members simply don't have influence or are to dependent on US to make their own decisions.
We gotta pull together. Keeping it real. Without ? What will happen 😮. He obviously doesn't Care for his own soldiers..Find the right places to use those huge bunker busters.His doubles are too obvious.
Awesome show! Thank you!
thanks! drop a share if u can
The US staying power in conflicts it has participated in has been questionable since the Korean War. Therefore, a cynic could possibly conclude that their motives are not what they claim to be. You know, fighting evil regimes, promoting democracy or saving democracy as is the case in Ukraine. My opinion is the US killed democracy in Ukraine in 2014.
Russian subsequent involvement there is quite another subject and open for debate.
Thank you for the information provided by your good self glory to Ukraine slava Ukraine pryvit keep smiling and be happy
Good to see the young fella on other channels.
I'd like to know the specific reason why we haven't provided Ukraine with adequate defense against Russian glide bombs, drones, etc. It seems a no-brainer to me. I've not heard a word about how doing so could potentially 'escalate' the stuation. So.....????
Bombs glide from planes. Pkanes live on airfields in russia. West says it's ok for russia to use chinese, iranian and north korean rockets. But says it's bad if Ukraine uses the wests missiles against planes. Poland could have shot down a rocket that killed wife and 3 daughters leaving only the dad. But US told them not or there might be escalation.
Thd west wants for russian rockets and planes to run out killing ukrainian people.
increasingly unfounded fears over Russian escalation
Pretty simple. The US and the west don't make enough air defense interceptors to make a difference.
US only makes 240 pac 2 interceptors a year and only 550 Pac3 interceptors per year.
Typically two interceptors are fired at an incoming target, if we use this equation and round up we get around 400 possible Interceptions with 800 interceptors, that's assuming a 100 percent interception rate, which is frankly impossible. At the same time Russia fired over 4000 missiles annually, that doesn't include drones. This equation will never favor Ukraine or the west. The US and the west de industrialized itself, they shipped manufacturing overseas and inflated their economy with gdp numbers that are irrelevant to production. The gdp is artificially inflated by counting things like debt, into the gdp. The west is simply not able to produce military aid in a quantity that will make a difference
@@joeh8122 US has astronomical amount of munitions and equipment already in storage.
How’d you feel about Vlad’s views? Drop your opinion with a comment
I'd rather hear what YOU think about Vlad, tbh. You skew to the money typically, that's fine, I wonder how you metabolize Vlad.
I follow Vlad and I find his points agreeable
Starmer is not sending the RAF. They could get this done in 2 week's. You need to convince Two Tier
Just slipped in the far right angle there. I recommend looking at the history of stop and search before repeating lines from ignoramuses like Musk.
Absolutely excellent interview ! 🌻🌻
Glad you enjoyed it! Give it a share if ya haven’t!
@@theglobalgambit I did share it right away🙂💝
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Great conversation with Vlad.
Thanks guys! Wonderful discussion.
Glad you enjoyed it! Give it a share
Do you have any idea of what the bot,s are looking for their on fire overdrive you could say. They are looking very very hard for what ever it is
Thank you both (Y)
It's about greed and fools end of
Fake reporting
Pyotr, thanks for featuring your conversation with Vlad; please make your questions shorter and more concise. Stop showcasing what you know in each question.
I’ll stick to how l like to speak with people thanks.
Wahaha😂
I this the end of globalization?
hope not. communism AND its present day mutated form is cancer
I'll say that nobody's right all the time...but sometimes it feels like vlad is talking to children.
And the children would be who in this case ?
Vlady boy, a distinguished member of the alphabet community, most of all likes to appear and sound intelligent. He just loves the sound of his own voice. Just like the story of Narcissus, who walked by a pool of water and decided to drink some. He saw his reflection, became entranced by it, and killed himself because he could not have his object of desire. Because of this tragedy, the Thespians came to honor and reverence Eros especially among the gods.
Damn grudges ... Did mister "greek mythology" try to hit it and got rejected ?
@@rigust12 hahaha
The biggest threat to the territorial integrity of Ukraine is US & UK itself. Think in a cool manner. Russia is your neighbour and not your enemy. Moreover Russia is wounded with the disintegration of USSR, yet it didn’t attack any of its former states, until 2014 when it took over Kremia, (for hundreds of reasons). Ukraine is given ample chances to settle issues, but it is UK and US, again remain adamant for its own strategic interest for a weaker Russia. So, who suffered? One can say, the Zelensky's administration is at fault in all.
Kursk incursion carry no weigtage, when compared to a larger goal.Its not at all a victory. Russia can easily handle the Kursk incursion at its own time and in its style.
Well said!!😊
This guest of yours is just extremely conceited and sounding self-important. On what basis he calls Ukraine 'democratic'. Just trying to sound very sophisticated does not make you an genius analyst.
@@dillipinaction probably the elections that they have every few years…
Who is Internacional???
Thinking Ukraine can win this war with Russia 🇷🇺 is delusional😂😂😂😂
Who won the first Chechen-ruzzian war in the 90's? Who won the soviet-Afghan war?
Is russia heading towards victory? Ukraine has managed to occupy more territory in Kursk in 1 month than russia in East Ukraine in 1 year.
@@vegyesz89
Daniel Davis deep dive
Alexander Mercouris
The New Atlas
@@stuartwray6175
Mercouris as source🤣? ISW is a "bit" more accurate.
@@vegyesz89😂 The NAFO cope 😂
Cechnya is part if whT country, exactly then and now?
@@stuartwray6175love them :)
Russia has given a final warning , Crossing the stated red line there will be a nuclear response without further warning. This settles matters.
And the stated red line is...?
In fact all sorts of countries have red lines, and all are purposely ambiguous
@@zolandia5262 It's the one you cross that lets you se a Mushroom cloud a few milliseconds before you are evaporated.
@@enriquelaroche5370 Well the world has lived with large stockpiles of nuclear weapons for over 80 years now, unfortunately some risk is just part of the human condition. MAD will likely continue to ensure that the risk remains low, as attacking a country using nuclear weapons would invite a reprisal in kind.
Obviously the mere existence of nuclear weapons does not imply that Putin is allowed to get away with anything he wants.
@@zolandia5262 Putin is allowed to get away with anything he wants?? Please list the effective options to enforce your will on Russia.
@@zolandia5262 We have lived with Tall buildings for centuries and discovered that disregarding warnings and jumping off the roof can result in tragedy.
Too many hiccups in your broadcast and not the first one. Please sort that out.
For example?
Yeah, I want my money's worth!!!
You troll
Who me?
0:56 No, it's actually day 3 thousand 8 hundred something, the war started in 2014, not 2022
@@RuslanKvitnevyi that’s called a conflict and not in relation to the full scale war that has commenced since 2022. Try making more a substantive point
@@theglobalgambit for some reason y'all western folks act like Crimea and Donbas never happened, which affects understanding the whole situation and overall misleading.
NATO 😂😂😂😂😂😂
As a Dutch/European, I am ashamed and frustrated by the fear politics of Biden and Scholz. I hear sounds around me that people are even turning away from the Americans and Germans. These sentiments will be even louder in Ukraine and many Eastern European countries. This will have negative consequences for the Americans and Germans in the future. After all, it is they who have abandoned freedom and democracy for their own fear, politics and selfishness for their own wallet.
This is absolutely amazing, you managed getting Vlad Vexler in your show (got so much respect for Vlad Vexler, his approach to world's biggest threats and...well, in general the man's ability to explain complex, multilayer stuff to average joe like me, is almost unparalleled)
Oh, almost missed - great host of course 😄👍
Sometimes it's difficult to know what's more depressing; the war in Ukraine or the average intelligence of the comments on YT.
Surely war. It kills, traumatises and cripples himan beings.
The best interview on Ukraine I have seen. Perfectly articulated advocacy for THE most important geopolitical issue of my lifetime
You guy's live in the twilight zone.
So glad to see Vlad here!
A great discussion. Always fascinating to hear Vlad’s view on Russia and the Ukraine War.
Delighted to cross paths with him and have him on! Will have to get you on together 🫡
Looking at the military side... I'm seeing Russia moving forward into Ukraine which stretches the supply lines necessary to keep the momentum valid. In Russia's case though, it's not just food, supplies, arms, ammo, and hardware, it's also troops... which are depleted at a rate that could by itself overwhelm supply lines. Mostly when Ukraine has been systematically tearing up those supply lines both physically with bombing and continually with drones. So, Russia keeps moving forward using it's horrifying bulwark idea of shooting anyone who tries to retreat. What do you have? You have depletion, no morale or valid intention and thereby you have a basically invalid military. It will be ineffectual.
Look further and you see the ambition of putin's generals to TAKE LAND by any means necessary and the logistics is irrelevant, and you get a military force that you are depending on that has extended itself beyond supply and beyond rescue.. into the enemy's fist. This.. is what is happening. The Ukrainian army is about to surround and capture a significant number or people who've been bought... conscripted... forced, and payed, to go to the front. This is not only a logistical win, it's a propaganda tour de force.
Beautiful commentary
UA's needs to wake upp too.
Who on Earth is UA's???
@@dannydetonator Ukraine. They need to aim higher, asking for soldiers will get them the weapons they need quicker.
@@matsfrommusic what?
@@samimurtomaki5534 You never get what you ask for, until you aim higher. Classic tactics.
@@matsfrommusic Boots on the ground is DEEPLY unpopular pretty much in every NATO country, even Poland, Czech, Romania. And don't get me started on US. besides, US and Western Europe are in total meltdown due to domestic political issues. If the West JUST gave Ukraine the right weapons at the right time, Ukraine would take care of Russia themselves.
Couldn't a compromis be reached in regards to the use of western weapons inside of Russia? Something that goes like "well, x kilometers into russian territory, that is militarized territory, we consider that part of the war and Ukraine can strike without consultation. +y kilometers deeper into russian territory, that is militarization hinterland, Ukraine may strike with consultation. Anything further than that is generally prohibited with our weapons, unless we review these rules and make changes".
Question: what are your thoughts on Putin focusing on the Artic its riches in gas, territory and setting off a nuke in the artic clearing a route for gas exports to China.
Zelensky will sign unconditional surrender.
he will not.
you're a dim bulb, aren't you?
More misleading information from this individual again
Does he really think the people believe his bullshit
War by begging.😂😂
Yes, putin is begging in China and even in North Korea...
23:40 No. It's not fair to say Ukraine is stuck in tug of war. And what are you talking about Ukraine not being an indepedndant state?
it is and has always been in a metaphoric tug of war between being more influenced by western vs russian influence
@@theglobalgambit tug of war implies no agency on the part of Ukraine. which is one of the russian narratives.
It implies that the West was somehow PULLING Ukraine.
In fact as you well know the West in the person of Gerorge Bush Sr came and spoke in Ukrainian Rada as the USSR was breaking up and urged Ukraine to remain under Russia.
All US presidents declined to let Ukraine into NATO or EU.
Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama - all "recognized Ukraine as a key Russian interest".
Obama urged Ukraine to do nothing and watch as Russia seized Crimea and invaded Donbass. And Ukraine did nothing.
Biden expected Putin to conquer Ukraine in a matter of weeks and did all he could to reiterate daily that US soldier WILL NOT defend Ukraine.
So what Tug of War are you talking about?
@@theglobalgambit I wrote a lengthy reply and it seems YT just deleted it. I'll try again and maybe repost it as a separate comment.
Tug of War hos no agent in the middle. Only 2 agents at the ends. It implies a lack of agency of Ukraine.
Tug of War implies the West was Pulling Ukraine. When in actuality:
1. George Bush Sr came and spoke in Rada to urge Ukraine to remain under Russia when the USSR was breaking apart.
2. Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama - all did not let Ukraine into EU or NATO. all "recognized Ukraine as a key Russian interrest".
3. When Russia invaded Crimea and Donbass urged Ukraine to not respond. Not respond it did. Russian annexed it's land and ZERO consequences followed.
4. Biden made a deal with putin to let him invade Ukraine. Then spend every hour reiterating how US soldiers will not defend Ukraine. Then was shocked when Ukraine did not succumb to Russia in 3 weeks or so, as he had planned.
So what Tug of War are you talking about?
here's a better analogy:
There is a Castle and the rich wealthy West sits in it and trades with the Barbarians. The Barbarians come and pillage the peasants living in front of the Castle. The Castle has arms and walls but wont let the peasants in. They watch the Barbarians destroy the peasants and wonder how much longer they have to wait to resume trade with the Babarians.
Love Vlad. Good move Pete!
A bit poor performance of the interviewer. No follow up questions on Vlads more uncommon views on Russia. Also it seems like the interviewer wanted another kind of interview than he got. Not sure if there were a miscommunication before hand.