THERE IS A MISSING SET AFTER THE SECOND ONE. YOU CAN FIND THE TIMESTAMP HERE: www.twitch.tv/videos/662402245?t=00h10m43s this disconnect was really confusing: - they decided to give me the point for it but something felt off (i suspected it to be a desync from my perfect clear) - eventually "won" the game but we kept playing until the final score - confirmed later by wumbo that it was a desync as his side had a ready 4-wide while mine showed a total mess cheap wins are too cheap. i wonder what would've happened if i decided to take it
@@Dannybythebanana i can c4w around this speed, i'm just worse at building it and especially starting the combo. would be a really bad idea if i tried to use it myself; last time i tried it ended in a 3-15 loss
I suspected Wumbo doesn’t show any of his set & match losses but it’s so hard to tell since he’s so good and so fast that I can’t fathom how he’d ever lose any best 3 out of 5 matches.
I used to use side 4-wide when playing online because it was the most effective way to beat my opponents. But at some point, it just got really boring. It was a really predictable pattern: build up a well, then use a few memorized patterns to get a huge combo, do some downstacking, and repeat. Playing with t-spins and tetrises requires so much more brainpower and is a lot more fun. I am still a complete amateur when it comes to recognizing complicated t-spin setups, but watching top-level players is helping me a lot.
if i may give you some 'advice' (im a grand master btw so ik what im saying), a dt canon is a pretty easy setup to remember and its really powerfull if you do the tspins and then make a couple tetrisses. its also a good counter against perfect clears and 4 wides.
@@ReintGerts its been a while since I read this but the DT cannon advice is super helpful. I've been improving over some time and you're right. Its super easy to set up and super powerful.
Wumbo doesn't use c4w that much in his newer videos. Though in a competetive tournament I understand why he uses it. It's basically an almost uncounterable strategy. It is unfair. I do see some people hating on wumbo in the comments here, but we should hate the c4w instead of him. We can't deny it is fun to see Doremy beat c4w.
We paint him in a bad light because of how he is as a person. His ego is massive to the point that he deletes vods of his losses, forfeits in a tournament and doesn't show up for future matches in said tournament, and just overall has no respect for the people he is playing against in said tournaments or the organizers. He's a good player, a rather strong player. But that ego of his is really surprising
I just don’t like Wumbo as a person, he’s like the Leffen of the PPT scene. C4w is fine with me, it’s a strategy that works until it doesn’t since it can be easily thwarted by an all clear, fast dt cannon, or a good use of T spins or Tetris spam. It’s really all a matter of speed; 1 large Center 4 wide or 2-3 consecutive T Spins.
@@Diembee C4w is still unfair. Yes, tetris spam or tspin spam could be the solution, but your average player can't even play that fast or is not that efficient. The game lacks a balance of executing difficulty or payoff balance over C4w and other strategies.
but tetris is a game of rock paper scissors - perfect clears absolutely destroys c4w because of its early garbage send and quick execution. likewise, puyo puyo counters c4w because by the time the attack is sent, puyo can counter with a huge attack rivaling that of the c4w.
Total games Doremy dropped after surviving the initial four wide: 5 The skill difference when they actually play tetris (not 4w) is staggering. Good job Doremy, you played super well
he's been doing center 4-wide for years so he likely mastered it. i would just die if i ever tried. and even if i wanted to, it would end in boring, long stalling battles, because no one wants to send potential garbage that extends the other player's combo
Honestly, I don't know whether I should feel excited or disappointed in this match. All I know is that I'll always be rooting for Doremy in every match that he plays(in either PPT or Tetrio).
I don't really like wumbo like probably most of you guys (judging by the comments) but come on lol complaining like this about c4w is extremely scrubby also the fact that he resorted to using them should actually be viewed as something positive, it means he recognized the threat doremy posed, it's a form of respect in its own twisted way
You say it like he "resorted to c4w" as if something like wumbo recognizing a threat or something, it's more of a wumbo using his one trick pony in the tournament because he can't afford to lose and that's his way of getting easy wins. Which is completely reasonable.
AxelVanDerPoke lol, he shouldnt be praised for using a strategy that is almost a guaranteed win against anyone (that isnt also 4widing). Wumbo does everything to win, even if its unfair and has nearly no counter while also being super easy to learn (which is fine). Its honestly the organizers fault that they didnt ban 4wide as an opener. If 4wide was banned, this wouldve been something like a 7-1, since wumbo lost like every game where Doremy survived the 4w. An opener that makes you win against someone that will destroy you (in midgame) should not be allowed. Something like a 7-1 should not be turned into a 13-15 just by using an opener that has minimal skill ceiling
@@donnguyen166 holy shit telling others they are immature if they don't agree with continuously shit talking a player and its playstyle, this is beyond ironic in EVERY competitive game there will be a dominant strategy, and a competitive player should do everything in his power to WIN, if this means playing lame: you play lame. blame the game, not the player. (yes, one can also play or reasons other than just winning, but you should not blame a player for wanting to win. winning is as legitimate as any other reason in a competitive game.) besides there are plenty others tetris games where c4w is not even that strong, go play/watch those if you absolutely despise it there are plenty of reasons to dislike wumbo, but if you dislike him for c4w... dude.
@@AxelVanDerPoke It's always the same thing : everytime Doremy posts a video containing Wumbo the comment section is filled with hate and if you don't comply get the same treatment. It reminds me of people who say "tryhard" in competitive matches like :/ "If tryharding means trying to win, then yes, I am tryharding." - Someone I forgot
You are ending the video as a DRAW?! That was so exciting and then you are doing a DRAW?! Well it was very entertaining and both of you did a good job. Man your skill is incredible. 💪
QuantumHornet Agree. Players like firestorm need more practice with ppt (Doremy defeated firestorm pretty badly in a ppt tourney I believe). When mentioning Japanese players, kazu and furea come to mind (they are better than even Amemiya at this point).
Dharma Putra Amemiya beat the bots while they were weaker. Now, Amemiya gets consistently defeated by 33% speed Cold Clear. Also, Kazu and Furea consistently beat Amemiya in 50 game matches.
I personally think they're a scummy way to win. Albeit it takes skill to perform, set-up and most importantly pull off..........once you master it, then it makes actually playing against it seem unfair and unfun. Only known counter is perfect clear off the start and counter the damage when possible
@@keaton1149 I'm by no means a good player but have only managed it once and even then not to the extent that Wumbo is known for but, I knew I didn't like the strategy, usually go for Tetrises myself, but that usually evolves into lots of digging and burning random lines since it's slow.
@@Aericane oh ok xD it also depends on the game...in Tetr.io, 4 wide isn't very good and literally no one is using it, but I don't know about tetris friends...necer played it :D I think in PPT it's kinda balanced
*See video ppt from doremy Me: oh it's been a long time imma watch *See title doremy vs wumbo Me: pffft im sure it's doremy vs c4wumbo *Watch 15 secs of the game Me: ESTETIKKU MAJIKKU
It’s not really that hated but wumbo is famous for 4 widing 100% of the times and it’s a very cheap strategy so you know, kind of trashy to considerate you won using those methods
C4w, in this game, is extremely overpowered and very cheap. It’s not fun at all to play against, and it just forces both players to play a boring and repetitive strategy over and over. Even Ajanba, arguably the best guideline Tetris player, had to use 4wide in order to beat Wumbo’s 4wide.
If you’re more knowledgeable in tetris than me, tell me if I’m wrong, but c4wide in PPT specifically seems like wobbling in Melee. It completely bypasses an essential skill of the game while being ridiculously powerful (optimizing openings and upstacking in tetris, optimizing punishing in Melee). You have to outplay your opponent to a ludicrous degree to not die instantly to it (really tight b2b and stack optimization in tetris and Never getting grabbed in Melee). Oftentimes you kinda have to hope that the player doing it just messes up and drops it if you want to survive. I guess the main difference is that, to the average non-Tetris educated viewer, c4wide looks cool while wobbling looks as lame as it is to play against, unlike the c4w. (I know this because I got into tetris because of Wumbo and the simplicity and effectiveness of the c4wide. I watched one tutorial and could win against rated ~22K players as a
I think there are some common points between the two from a community standpoint as you said but I wouldn't say that c4w is as broken (broken as game breaking not op(since wobbling doesn't work against the best of the best while c4w does) ) as wobbling. While it does artificially elevate your rank you can only go so far with just c4w. Also in tetris you can change tactics whenever you want and you're not restricted to one (or few) main(s). So I'd compare c4w to a high tier counterpick instead of an OTP character.
@@KioKah but they are both degenerate strats, low skill input in for very high attack output. Just like anyone can pick up a controller and press A at 200bpm, anyone can stack 3 and 3 (or 6) and 4w. Sure 4w doesn't break the game but neither does wobbling - how many IC mains are there in top 100 Melee? And compare that number to the 4widers in the Tetris top 100. I'd argue that 4w is worse because it has no good counterplay - the best we can counter 4w (in guideline at least, jstris has 4w banned in default rooms and in tetr.io 4w got nerfed because of their complex attack table) is stuff like FC or DT opener or 4w back. While for wobbling, at least the pros know how to not get grabbed easily. But then again I usually play jstris, a game that has 4w banned so hell if I know.
@@kinciscorner Wobbling is from Super Smash Bros Melee. It is an infinite grab combo that works only with one character (the Ice Climbers), basicly if you get grabbed you lose 1 life. It feels very unfair when even against your average tournament player since grabbing is a core mechanic so it is not that rare even if you know that that character only wants grabs (fyi without wobbling the character would be kinda low tier so wobbling doesn't work against the best of the best since they know really well how to deal with a character that only wants grabs with their experience). It is also not that fun to watch a match with the Ice Climbers compared to other characters so it is not generally appreciated by anyone but the Ice Climbers players.
Well, at least you don't have to go against another c4w user, albeit more creative but definitely still a c4w user. (Ajanba usually starts off with a pc opener, but when be sees that he can't make a pc, he modifies the pc into a c4w, which is definitely more interesting than just watching 4 wides right at the start)
Doremy already faced Ajanba in the tourney, and Ajanba didn’t use 4wide against him. It was only when Ajanba faced Wumbo that Ajanba resorted to the c4w.
Makes sense because in the game, Schezo says unintentionally creepy/perverted lines, making people call him a "creeper". Quick edit: It's in Adventure/Story Mode's cutscenes, if you're wondering.
@@racoonmaster5713 yeah but its a totally reasonable strategy. If you are playing a game and want to win and know a way to win efficiently of course you would use it. Its not dirty, its just a good strategy for winning.
@@sunesshi I'm sorry, but I disagree. Yeah, C4W is a strategy, it's just a broken one. Kinda like... Brawl Meta Knight. While you need some skill to master them, once you do, it's practically impossible to beat you, unless the opposing player is WAY more skilled than you. Like, I'm a 9500 Puyo, yet a 7000 could easily beat me with a C4W.
Beastinshen and MicroBlizz's pov of this match (including the part where they got confused about the score after the desync :3) th-cam.com/video/pxaQPmzInH4/w-d-xo.html
Man if the devs would nerf tetris combos just a LITTLE bit, this game would be way better. If Center 4 Wide was nerfed to the point where it ALWAYS ends up losing to a Perfect Clear, it wouldn't be such a cheap tactic.
That's a _bit_ too much - by that point, c4w would be useless. I'd say a PC should disable a c4w but leave opportunities for a different strategy to take its place without instantly causing a loss.
HOW. ARE. YOU. SO. FAST???...ik the obvious answer is _lots_ of practice, but there's *_no_* way I can compete with that kind of speed. My strategy tends to lean more towards endurance(aka trying to outlast the opponent so I can execute a deadly combo streak/a couple tetrises), and typically, it works with people similar to my skill level(which I'd say is slightly above average). But even for those of just above average skill level, it can fail. Perhaps I should practice a more viable strategy, but as of right now I can't process the tetriminos at such a blindingly fast pace 8< -(Yes, ik Wumbo is in this video and he could technically be considered "the best", but you're so very close to his skill level, that it wouldn't surprise me if you got neck and neck on the leaderboards one day...then again, it's nice to have competition as a competitive player, I guess.)
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THERE IS A MISSING SET AFTER THE SECOND ONE. YOU CAN FIND THE TIMESTAMP HERE: www.twitch.tv/videos/662402245?t=00h10m43s
this disconnect was really confusing:
- they decided to give me the point for it but something felt off (i suspected it to be a desync from my perfect clear)
- eventually "won" the game but we kept playing until the final score
- confirmed later by wumbo that it was a desync as his side had a ready 4-wide while mine showed a total mess
cheap wins are too cheap. i wonder what would've happened if i decided to take it
So who won? I guess since Wumbo won the missing match he won?
@@Aericane wumbo won 12-14
I love these matches were two gods face each other. But hey gg!
If you took the one win it would be 13-14 with Wumbo winning. Really nice defense at 11:06. Well played!
So if it weren't for the desync or if you took the point for the desync you would have won, but you felt that it wasn't deserving.
Doremy is too proud to use c4w.
Wumbo is too proud to show his losses.
more like he can't c4w easily, he's not as fast as wumbo
@@Dannybythebanana i can c4w around this speed, i'm just worse at building it and especially starting the combo. would be a really bad idea if i tried to use it myself; last time i tried it ended in a 3-15 loss
Too proud to show his losses? What do you mean by that?
@@wohingenau5863 he deletes the twitch vods of him losing and only uploads videos of himself winning to youtube.
I suspected Wumbo doesn’t show any of his set & match losses but it’s so hard to tell since he’s so good and so fast that I can’t fathom how he’d ever lose any best 3 out of 5 matches.
I used to use side 4-wide when playing online because it was the most effective way to beat my opponents. But at some point, it just got really boring. It was a really predictable pattern: build up a well, then use a few memorized patterns to get a huge combo, do some downstacking, and repeat. Playing with t-spins and tetrises requires so much more brainpower and is a lot more fun. I am still a complete amateur when it comes to recognizing complicated t-spin setups, but watching top-level players is helping me a lot.
Yeah I know how the t-spin thing feels. I'm fairly new to high level Tetris but its super fun. Good luck with your t-spins
if i may give you some 'advice' (im a grand master btw so ik what im saying), a dt canon is a pretty easy setup to remember and its really powerfull if you do the tspins and then make a couple tetrisses. its also a good counter against perfect clears and 4 wides.
Im p sure pro players just see this
"Oh look a cross. Lets put a block on top"
@@sotadern pretty much
@@ReintGerts its been a while since I read this but the DT cannon advice is super helpful. I've been improving over some time and you're right. Its super easy to set up and super powerful.
Wumbo doesn't use c4w that much in his newer videos. Though in a competetive tournament I understand why he uses it. It's basically an almost uncounterable strategy. It is unfair. I do see some people hating on wumbo in the comments here, but we should hate the c4w instead of him. We can't deny it is fun to see Doremy beat c4w.
We paint him in a bad light because of how he is as a person. His ego is massive to the point that he deletes vods of his losses, forfeits in a tournament and doesn't show up for future matches in said tournament, and just overall has no respect for the people he is playing against in said tournaments or the organizers. He's a good player, a rather strong player. But that ego of his is really surprising
@Cheese Pizza never said he was
I just don’t like Wumbo as a person, he’s like the Leffen of the PPT scene. C4w is fine with me, it’s a strategy that works until it doesn’t since it can be easily thwarted by an all clear, fast dt cannon, or a good use of T spins or Tetris spam. It’s really all a matter of speed; 1 large Center 4 wide or 2-3 consecutive T Spins.
@@Diembee C4w is still unfair. Yes, tetris spam or tspin spam could be the solution, but your average player can't even play that fast or is not that efficient. The game lacks a balance of executing difficulty or payoff balance over C4w and other strategies.
but tetris is a game of rock paper scissors - perfect clears absolutely destroys c4w because of its early garbage send and quick execution. likewise, puyo puyo counters c4w because by the time the attack is sent, puyo can counter with a huge attack rivaling that of the c4w.
Huh... It's nostalgic for me seeing a Wumbo Vs. Doremy Battle again man i Really missed those insane Battles
Great Match! •^°
c4w meme is back
Total games Doremy dropped after surviving the initial four wide: 5
The skill difference when they actually play tetris (not 4w) is staggering. Good job Doremy, you played super well
Man, seems like it's been forever since this last happened. Good to see one of you changed.
At this point, you should just center 4 wide against Wumbo. It's clear you're the superior player, so you could most likely make it work.
But that would be the most boring match to see.
he's been doing center 4-wide for years so he likely mastered it. i would just die if i ever tried.
and even if i wanted to, it would end in boring, long stalling battles, because no one wants to send potential garbage that extends the other player's combo
Doremy That’s fair. We all respect you for your decision. Keep up the great content!
Doremy showed here he still can win without the 4w. Respect your guys' play styles because both are always amazing to watch.
"Learn the matchup"
"He has an exploitable recovery"
Honestly, I don't know whether I should feel excited or disappointed in this match. All I know is that I'll always be rooting for Doremy in every match that he plays(in either PPT or Tetrio).
What was that PC at 22:40?!? That S spin looked so cool
Ikr
You handled his 4 wide really good. You're my favorite Tetris Player Doremy
yeah 4 wide off the start from wumbo whatd i expect LULW
The signature wumbo special.
4 wide off the start
i take it back, 4 wide for like all the openers OMEGALUL
I don't really like wumbo like probably most of you guys (judging by the comments) but come on lol complaining like this about c4w is extremely scrubby
also the fact that he resorted to using them should actually be viewed as something positive, it means he recognized the threat doremy posed, it's a form of respect in its own twisted way
You say it like he "resorted to c4w" as if something like wumbo recognizing a threat or something, it's more of a wumbo using his one trick pony in the tournament because he can't afford to lose and that's his way of getting easy wins. Which is completely reasonable.
AxelVanDerPoke lol, he shouldnt be praised for using a strategy that is almost a guaranteed win against anyone (that isnt also 4widing). Wumbo does everything to win, even if its unfair and has nearly no counter while also being super easy to learn (which is fine). Its honestly the organizers fault that they didnt ban 4wide as an opener.
If 4wide was banned, this wouldve been something like a 7-1, since wumbo lost like every game where Doremy survived the 4w. An opener that makes you win against someone that will destroy you (in midgame) should not be allowed. Something like a 7-1 should not be turned into a 13-15 just by using an opener that has minimal skill ceiling
@@donnguyen166 holy shit telling others they are immature if they don't agree with continuously shit talking a player and its playstyle, this is beyond ironic
in EVERY competitive game there will be a dominant strategy, and a competitive player should do everything in his power to WIN, if this means playing lame: you play lame. blame the game, not the player. (yes, one can also play or reasons other than just winning, but you should not blame a player for wanting to win. winning is as legitimate as any other reason in a competitive game.) besides there are plenty others tetris games where c4w is not even that strong, go play/watch those if you absolutely despise it
there are plenty of reasons to dislike wumbo, but if you dislike him for c4w... dude.
@@AxelVanDerPoke
It's always the same thing : everytime Doremy posts a video containing Wumbo the comment section is filled with hate and if you don't comply get the same treatment.
It reminds me of people who say "tryhard" in competitive matches like :/
"If tryharding means trying to win, then yes, I am tryharding." - Someone I forgot
@@AxelVanDerPoke i hate him for his uses on 4wide
Beat that egomaniac!
You are ending the video as a DRAW?! That was so exciting and then you are doing a DRAW?! Well it was very entertaining and both of you did a good job. Man your skill is incredible. 💪
check my pinned post, it has a missed set that i could not record off-stream. someone won this match
@@Doremy it was me, I won the match
Wait a minute, this isn't Tetris! This is just c4w: the game!
wumbo c4w special subway sandwich
Sad to see a mechanically better player losing to yet another c4w abuser :(
Still love watching both of you going back and forth
the ultra big brain counters and stalls are things im not capable of
Doremy is the only person I've seen that cam give Wumbo a hard time
What about Firestorm ? Ajanba ? Amemiya ? 🤔
Benmf firestorm doesnt even play ppt, and you didnt mention a single top japanese ppt player other than amemiya
QuantumHornet Agree. Players like firestorm need more practice with ppt (Doremy defeated firestorm pretty badly in a ppt tourney I believe). When mentioning Japanese players, kazu and furea come to mind (they are better than even Amemiya at this point).
Dharma Putra Amemiya beat the bots while they were weaker. Now, Amemiya gets consistently defeated by 33% speed Cold Clear.
Also, Kazu and Furea consistently beat Amemiya in 50 game matches.
Dharma Putra Kazu beat Amemiya 50-34 here.
th-cam.com/video/Cd3VdB2M604/w-d-xo.html
Am I the only one who thinks four-wides are a scummy way to win, or is it generally no different from any other strategy? Seems really cheap to me!
Mhh I don't think so. Otherwise everyone would just use it
I personally think they're a scummy way to win. Albeit it takes skill to perform, set-up and most importantly pull off..........once you master it, then it makes actually playing against it seem unfair and unfun. Only known counter is perfect clear off the start and counter the damage when possible
@@keaton1149 I'm by no means a good player but have only managed it once and even then not to the extent that Wumbo is known for but, I knew I didn't like the strategy, usually go for Tetrises myself, but that usually evolves into lots of digging and burning random lines since it's slow.
The funny thing is, in Tetris friends EVERYBODY used it.
@@Aericane oh ok xD it also depends on the game...in Tetr.io, 4 wide isn't very good and literally no one is using it, but I don't know about tetris friends...necer played it :D I think in PPT it's kinda balanced
*See video ppt from doremy
Me: oh it's been a long time imma watch
*See title doremy vs wumbo
Me: pffft im sure it's doremy vs c4wumbo
*Watch 15 secs of the game
Me: ESTETIKKU MAJIKKU
11:25 off-center 3 wide vs center 4 wide
I like how Wumbo over relies on 4w but doremy can over come it
can anyone explain to me why c4w is hated?
It’s not really that hated but wumbo is famous for 4 widing 100% of the times and it’s a very cheap strategy so you know, kind of trashy to considerate you won using those methods
C4w, in this game, is extremely overpowered and very cheap. It’s not fun at all to play against, and it just forces both players to play a boring and repetitive strategy over and over. Even Ajanba, arguably the best guideline Tetris player, had to use 4wide in order to beat Wumbo’s 4wide.
@@intermitttence2022 kinda sad even though anjaba's mechanical skill is considered superior compared to wumbo, it shows how op c4w is
If you’re more knowledgeable in tetris than me, tell me if I’m wrong, but c4wide in PPT specifically seems like wobbling in Melee. It completely bypasses an essential skill of the game while being ridiculously powerful (optimizing openings and upstacking in tetris, optimizing punishing in Melee). You have to outplay your opponent to a ludicrous degree to not die instantly to it (really tight b2b and stack optimization in tetris and Never getting grabbed in Melee). Oftentimes you kinda have to hope that the player doing it just messes up and drops it if you want to survive. I guess the main difference is that, to the average non-Tetris educated viewer, c4wide looks cool while wobbling looks as lame as it is to play against, unlike the c4w. (I know this because I got into tetris because of Wumbo and the simplicity and effectiveness of the c4wide. I watched one tutorial and could win against rated ~22K players as a
I think there are some common points between the two from a community standpoint as you said but I wouldn't say that c4w is as broken (broken as game breaking not op(since wobbling doesn't work against the best of the best while c4w does) ) as wobbling. While it does artificially elevate your rank you can only go so far with just c4w. Also in tetris you can change tactics whenever you want and you're not restricted to one (or few) main(s). So I'd compare c4w to a high tier counterpick instead of an OTP character.
@@KioKah but they are both degenerate strats, low skill input in for very high attack output. Just like anyone can pick up a controller and press A at 200bpm, anyone can stack 3 and 3 (or 6) and 4w. Sure 4w doesn't break the game but neither does wobbling - how many IC mains are there in top 100 Melee? And compare that number to the 4widers in the Tetris top 100.
I'd argue that 4w is worse because it has no good counterplay - the best we can counter 4w (in guideline at least, jstris has 4w banned in default rooms and in tetr.io 4w got nerfed because of their complex attack table) is stuff like FC or DT opener or 4w back. While for wobbling, at least the pros know how to not get grabbed easily.
But then again I usually play jstris, a game that has 4w banned so hell if I know.
C4w is hated in PPT. Is side 4w hated too? What's wobbling? I used to play facebook tetris a lot and thought 4w is just a common thing.
@Cheese Pizza I see, then what's this wobbling they are talking about?
@@kinciscorner
Wobbling is from Super Smash Bros Melee. It is an infinite grab combo that works only with one character (the Ice Climbers), basicly if you get grabbed you lose 1 life. It feels very unfair when even against your average tournament player since grabbing is a core mechanic so it is not that rare even if you know that that character only wants grabs (fyi without wobbling the character would be kinda low tier so wobbling doesn't work against the best of the best since they know really well how to deal with a character that only wants grabs with their experience). It is also not that fun to watch a match with the Ice Climbers compared to other characters so it is not generally appreciated by anyone but the Ice Climbers players.
Doremy is just like: "I used the garbage to destroy the garbage"
(No hate to wumbo I'm just memeing)
Go ahead, hate wumbo. Everyone else does
When you find out you're 0.01% Japanese
Well, at least you don't have to go against another c4w user, albeit more creative but definitely still a c4w user.
(Ajanba usually starts off with a pc opener, but when be sees that he can't make a pc, he modifies the pc into a c4w, which is definitely more interesting than just watching 4 wides right at the start)
Doremy already faced Ajanba in the tourney, and Ajanba didn’t use 4wide against him. It was only when Ajanba faced Wumbo that Ajanba resorted to the c4w.
@@intermitttence2022 only combos can defeat combos
poopy pie yep that was my point
@@PoP-ri7sr if you cant beat them join them..?
@@icecream6256 doremy can beat him tho. i wouldnt be surprised if ajanba can too
I wonder how much do you guys play to become too good in it...
2 IS BETTER THAN ONE
Cristina Nuñez yeah lol
*watches video*
up next: [Puyo Puyo Tetrisj No 4-wides
huh, very.... fitting
Seeing wumbo immediately lose after running out of c4w because he's confronted with actually playing Tetris is oddly satisfying.
Damn, I actually didn’t think anyone could consistently win against wumbo, amazing job
How did I get here from "Funny 10+ anime man says innuendos"?
plus 4 me daddy because theRE HE IS! IT'S THE FUNNY INNUENDO MAN
Makes sense because in the game, Schezo says unintentionally creepy/perverted lines, making people call him a "creeper".
Quick edit: It's in Adventure/Story Mode's cutscenes, if you're wondering.
are you french ? when you play tetris 99 i see "attention" "position" "stratégie d'attaque"
yeah he’s french
And let me tell you you won’t see him waving the white flag at any time
@@nothing-9084 the only white in his flag is from the Tricolore itself
SHADOW EDGY
Cristina Nuñez wait you also watch them....
Oscarman おさか ?
Cristina Nuñez uh why do I keep running into ppl from swabs channel
Oscarman おさか idk
Oscarman おさか i mean swab has 1k subs so its gonna get a bit common
Just curious, who was the person that discovered 4 wides?
someone who makes a 20 combo results in 7 lines of damage probably
Satan
Me
More scummy c4w.
Even a total beginner like me hates it.
Everyone hates it. Puyo Players, Novice Tetris players, Pro Tetris players... The amount of losses I had to dirty 4widers is astounding.
@@racoonmaster5713 yeah but its a totally reasonable strategy. If you are playing a game and want to win and know a way to win efficiently of course you would use it. Its not dirty, its just a good strategy for winning.
@@sunesshi I'm sorry, but I disagree. Yeah, C4W is a strategy, it's just a broken one. Kinda like... Brawl Meta Knight. While you need some skill to master them, once you do, it's practically impossible to beat you, unless the opposing player is WAY more skilled than you. Like, I'm a 9500 Puyo, yet a 7000 could easily beat me with a C4W.
@@sunesshi doesn't mean we have to respect them for using it
Puyo Puyo Tetris, c'est un Tetris 99 pour les pros ?
C'est pas LE Tetris des pros mais c'est déjà beaucoup plus haut que Tetris 99. Si je devais en désigner un je dirais tetr.io
@@KioKah Intéressant, merci pour l'info
İm starting to watch video now why im watching this i dont know bcz your win chance is %100
Sorry for my bad english
4wide counters c4w from what I heard, why not do that against wumbo?
doremy isn't that good at 4widing.
4widing isn't doremy's thing
W-what is c4w
Center 4-wide
all I hear is TETRIS
1:23 Doremy: HOW DOES IT FEEL
at 4:11 why go for a simple t-spin instead of a double?
you deserve more clout
Things are getting heated in the Tetris fandom.
Beastinshen and MicroBlizz's pov of this match (including the part where they got confused about the score after the desync :3) th-cam.com/video/pxaQPmzInH4/w-d-xo.html
why is this comment section so negative and hateful? c4w is just a strategy like any other. we're here to play tetris not shit on people :/
My guess is c4w lends itself to a lot less variance than "natural" Tetris.
It also is the most powerful strategy in the game by far. No one has fun playing with or against it, and it’s not fun to watch.
Ive only seen one who survived wumbos 4w without 4 widing back
pog
When defeating Wumbo actually meant something
god vs god
God vs 4w cringe
Man if the devs would nerf tetris combos just a LITTLE bit, this game would be way better. If Center 4 Wide was nerfed to the point where it ALWAYS ends up losing to a Perfect Clear, it wouldn't be such a cheap tactic.
That's a _bit_ too much - by that point, c4w would be useless. I'd say a PC should disable a c4w but leave opportunities for a different strategy to take its place without instantly causing a loss.
GO DOREMY GO
I wanna see you fight Suisei from hololive idol group
Yagoo, Wamata, and Doremy triple snipe?!
I’m not entirely sure, but I think doremy already sniped suisei
@@intermitttence2022 wait, what?
all i know is amemiya did watch suisei in her stream where she encountered roy
@@PoP-ri7sr :3 th-cam.com/video/PpG1c6yYT4o/w-d-xo.html
@@PoP-ri7sr Here is a video of Suisei playing against Doremy with english translation too. th-cam.com/video/duGksRpiniM/w-d-xo.html
すごいじょうず
HOW. ARE. YOU. SO. FAST???...ik the obvious answer is _lots_ of practice, but there's *_no_* way I can compete with that kind of speed. My strategy tends to lean more towards endurance(aka trying to outlast the opponent so I can execute a deadly combo streak/a couple tetrises), and typically, it works with people similar to my skill level(which I'd say is slightly above average). But even for those of just above average skill level, it can fail. Perhaps I should practice a more viable strategy, but as of right now I can't process the tetriminos at such a blindingly fast pace 8<
-(Yes, ik Wumbo is in this video and he could technically be considered "the best", but you're so very close to his skill level, that it wouldn't surprise me if you got neck and neck on the leaderboards one day...then again, it's nice to have competition as a competitive player, I guess.)
2:06ここなぜ連途切れさせたのかな？
相手の方
ドラミさんでも負けるのか
Yo
Da le like si habals español
上手いなぁ
this is actually genuinely painful and cringe to watch