You say that like an Imperial class wouldn't be the perfect flagship in a Venator/Victory battlegroup. It's just that the design was more appropriate to cooperate alongside it's predecessors than to replace them.
@@RJALEXANDER777 Venators operating from the rear providing the bulk of the starfighter support, Victory I’s serving as their escort while firing volleys of missiles to assist the front line. An ISD formation at the center of the formation for command and control as well as serving as a mobile harborage for the fleet’s corvettes in case they are in need of repair or resupply, close enough to engage craft that seek engage the frontline in close quarters. The frontline anchored by Tector-class Star Destroyers as the main combatants with Victory-IIs to help fill in the gaps in the lines.
@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 replace the venator broadsiging thr Invisable Hand with the victory because it is better suited for it. Replace some of the background ships with it too
The VSD and Venator were designed to synergize one would act as a carrier and fire support while the other would be the space equivalent of rocket artillery as it pours salvo after salvo of anti-capital ship missiles at the nearest enemy
Indeed. I've imagined an outline for Republic Task Forces comprised of four Acclamators and their escort frigates/light cruisers combined with three Victories or Venators, or perhaps a mix of the two. Perhaps one Venator to serve as the Flagship and principal starfighter carrier, with two Victories to provide fire support and direct attack power.
@@LordCommander-ui2fw I feel like that composition would be more cost effective and harder to bring down then just relying on an ISD. Certainly more versatile. Shame those ships were never really used properly. :( Also, never really liked the Tarkin doctrine. Bigger = scarier doesn't work nearly as well in space as it would on land. Everything looks small in space. What's more, higher numbers are always scarier then bigger sizes.
The Victory Star Destroyer was absolutely vital for the Republic during the Clone Wars, because it was designed to fight in ship to ship combat compared to the Venators who purpose was a carrier class ship. The Victory Star Destroyer could fight above it weight class, and it was armed and armored to the teeth and fight outnumbered and outclassed and win any engagement when properly supported.
in Empire at War. Half my fleets would be Victory Star Destroyers, they were awesome to use complemented by a Star Destroyer or supported by an Acclamator or a bunch of Tartans.
I tend to favour Acclamators in the early stages of the game because of their torpedo launchers - start with a TIE Scout, use the sensor ping to open a hole in the map shroud as close as possible to the enemy space station and drop 6 Acclamators at point-blank range - depending on the positioning of any defensive ships, you can blow out the enemy station's hangar bay with the first barrage. Good times.
@@ZoeMalDoran oh definitely. Acclamators are usually my main force before I get the victory's I just use the victory as the main ship once I get that, and acclamators at the front/ flanks. Star Destroyer at the back. depending on how many X-Wings and Y's there are, that's when i make it lots of tartans.
It would have been interesting to see the Rebel Alliance grab several of the Venators like they did with the CIS ships as they are not picky and needed everything they got to fight against the Galactic Empire.
@@wolftal1178 you were hoping the fighting force that mostly relies on small hit and run tactics to use a carrier they basically couldn't man?... did you want them to lose?
@@AssassinGTM 😆😝🤣😀😂😄😭 no, but I hoped when they got strong enough with the actual rebel fleet they might have one as a flagship, at least for a season.
Kinda makes sense when the fighting was for the most part spread out across many minor Outer RIm worlds with only the occasional larger engagement. A single ship can only be in one place.
First the amount amount of fighters which Venator was supposedly able to carry is way too overestimated, I think that author of the source book when writing simply put "and" instead of "or" when he was writing that it could carry over 100 hundread of ETA-2's, V- Wings, V-19 etc. Second - they made a few Secutor class ships which done to the Venator the same thing which ISD had done to the Victory. But this time carrying capacity is underestimated.
The Venator may be the most remembered, but I'm someone who prefers having fortified, defensible positions. This makes me lean toward more armored units in general, and the Victory definitely would be favored more from my perspective. If it's built tough, I already like it. If it's heavily armed, I already like it. If it's got both? I might as well have already made arrangements to bring some under my command.
I wish we had seen the victory 1, and 2 star destroyers in season 7, and hopefully they will both appear in the bad batch season 2 alongside the sectutor-class star destroyer.
The Republic should have pushed for the victory class to enter production sooner. Its designed role as a battleship would have eased the lack of warship diversity in the Republic navy.
I’m afraid to say that I would still choose the Venator, partly because I’m a clone wars fan. But also there are a lot more advantages to it, depending on what style of warfare you would use. For example although they didn’t have very powerful weapons, they were actually far more long-range then the Imperial ships, who were extremely powerful but mostly only at close quarters. Also the Venator could carry nearly 10 times the amount of fighters while their long range canons had a disruptor perk that meant it could help take down Shields, and was far more manoeuvrable and quick. So between the two of them the Venator, if it used gorilla warfare tactics, I think could possibly win. One of the main drawbacks of the Imperial was that they designed their ships purely as flagship destroyers and increased its Heavy cannons at the cost of anti-fighter turrets. Whereas the Venator who had to fight swarms of droid fighters during the clone wars had more fighter turrets then heavy cannons. So all the Venator had to do was stay out of range while giving it a few pot shots, and sending all of its fighters to the Imperial star destroyer which would have trouble picking them off. if the imperials sent their tie fighters to try and take the Venator down, they would’ve been quickly shot down by the Venator’s many fighter defences. In many ways I’m very surprised the new Republic didn’t use them as their new task ships, They were small so they weren’t overly foreboding to any planet they were near, they could actually land on planet if needed, they were associated with the Jedi during the clone wars, so it would’ve been a very good symbol of peace. They were powerful enough to fight off pirates and smugglers as an official warship, they were quick and small which meant they could patrol a lot of backwater systems. They acted as cargo vessels which would’ve been brilliant for humanitarian aid or evacuation, and they could take a huge majority of fighters. All in all a very good round purpose ship.
The close quarters bit is not true at all. The ISD could still hit harder at longer distances. The ISD had one of its major roles as planetary bombardment, it had plenty of range and was designed to lockdown entire systems in conventional warfare. The ISD was at least of similar speed and maneuverability to the Venator. I don't know where you're getting this nonsense. The Venator is honestly a terrible design, it's trying to be too many things and is thus ineffective at all. It's not a dedicated carrier, it's not a dedicated command vessel, it's not a dedicated brawler. The ISD was a full invasion compliment, sure, but it had specific roles it would continue to do better than any other ship of the same status, even later when the Nebula would enter service the Imp II still could outclass it in a head-to-head, though the Nebula was a much more efficient use of resources. You need to dedicate to a primary role and then have other vessels pick up the rest of the roles for the most part. You're not a singular ship, you're a ship in a fleet. There's a reason the Venator never returned while the VSD and ISD would continue regular usage hundreds of years after their introductions and still be capable of holding up to some of the enemy fire.
@@pubcle the specialist of the imperials wasn’t exactly ideal for every situation. Depending on the planet or atmosphere they would need specialist troopsAnd equipment to do the job, whereas the Venator class was so adaptable at so many different roles it could be used in any atmosphere and any battleground, And came equipped with any equipment for any circumstances. Which made the Republic so effective with its adaptability. The Empire was too specialist for one purpose they would have to call in specialist troops or equipment.
The Victory II would be my flagship I'd have two Victory I escorts and five Venator class carriers... Plus I'd have two to seven interdictor cruisers, XDXDXD
The Venator class was a better design because its focus on fighters and bombers was a better choice in ship to ship combat, as the Venator could use snubfighters and bombers to attack enemy capital ships either from outside of the range of the enemy ships’ turbo lasers or at a range at which the enemy’s turbo lasers would be less effective, and also made the ship good for planetary invasions as could carry more ship-planet transports than a Victory class. Although the Victory class is better at close range and close range engagements are sometimes unavoidable, the Venator class was good enough in close range engagements that it would not be worth picking a Victory over a Venator due to the Venator being substantially better in all other scenarios. That being said, if I was designing a fleet then ideally I would want both classes as including one or two Victory class star destroyers to a fleet of venators would make exploiting the Venator class’ weakness much more difficult so I would be willing to have one less venator to have one or two victory class star destroyers in the fleet to escort the fleet’s remaining Venator class star destroyers. However, if I had to send either a single Venator or a Single Victory class star destroyer to conduct a mission without support from the rest of the fleet then, unless there was a specific reason to think that the Victory class’ abilities were needed or that the circumstances would allow the enemy to more easily exploit the Venator class’ weakness, I would send a Venator class star destroyer every time.
All Star Destroyers can be traced back to the Harrower-class dreadnoughts. So the question is why the Jedi did not notice how much similar they are between the two? I mean, this should obviously raised a red flag there.
I think it was said somewhere that the wedge-shaped SD design was originally a Mandalorian concept, so it could have conceivably been adopted by both the Sith and the Republic independently. The Harrower's appearance, like the rest of SWTOR's faction aesthetics, are the result of lazy/unimaginative design - I'd much rather ships look like they derived from the old Sith warships from the Great Hyperspace War.
It's ancient history, so it doesn't matter so much. Besides, just because the Sith fleet has such a useful design doesn't mean that it's something that should be ignored.
Are you expecting every Jedi to know about an Ship design that originated in the unknown regions from an empire forgotten by history and that hasn’t been seen in the galaxy in over 3,000 years?
🤔 . . . Both have their pros & cons; I’d choose the Victory-Class over the Venator-Class when it comes to ship-to-ship combat, but in pure anti-starfighter roles & other forms of support, the Venator would be my choice of ship…
Yeah. Basically of we talk in republic formation of three star destroyer I would out two victory class flanking a venator. Venator supports ground troops and launches starfighter while the victory provides the firepower.
Considering that Victory Class Star Destroyers were active all the way through the Yuuzhan Vong War, it was certainly the more versatile and enduring than the overhyped Venators, almost all of which were obsolete and decommissioned a few years after the Clone Wars.
For political and doctrinal reasons. Palpatine discarded the Venator because of its association with the Clone Wars and the Jedi and because of a shift towards overwhelming firepower. By the time the Empire and its Tarkin Doctrine fell, the Venator was long out of production and the MC-80 and later MC-90 did its job better, sure, but "the MC-80 did its job better" isn't much of an insult, those ships are beasts.
@@demi-femme4821 the thing is that the Victory Class is superior in every way to the Venator save as a carrier, which is easily rectified by the Lancer. It's why even factions that had access to both options still chose the Victory almost every time up to fifty years later.
@@demi-femme4821 That’s right, it was purely political I think, also the Emperor just wanted more firepower rather than elegance. Because that’s why I love that shape, it was just so elegant, and far more specialist in certain situations. In many ways I’m very surprised the new Republic didn’t use them as their new task ships, They were small so they weren’t overly foreboding to any planet they were near, they could actually land on planet if needed, they were associated with the Jedi during the clone wars, so it would’ve been a very good symbol of peace. They were powerful enough to fight off pirates and smugglers as an official warship, they were quick and small which meant they could patrol a lot of backwater systems. They acted as cargo vessels which would’ve been brilliant for humanitarian aid or evacuation, and they could take a huge majority of fighters. All in all a very good round purpose ship.
As an admiral I would prefer the Venator over the Victory as my flag ship but I would use the Venator for what it was INTENDED for, as a fighter carrier. I would probably include some Victory ships to act as more of the front line while the Venator(s) acted as a rear line so that they would be able to quickly deploy their fighters and be safe while doing so.
Definitely Venator. Yeah it may not have the se firepower as the Victory but it is just a gorgeous ship and a workhorse at that. Take into account the power a full compliment of fighters and bombers can bring and the Venator gets my pick every time. Of course I am a little biased as it is my favorite ship
I've always had a soft spot for the VSD, and you're right, whist the VSD is not a battleship, its a very good general purpose heavy cruiser that was gun and armour heavy for naval gunnery duels and larger fleet actions. And if it was backed up by a Venator's fighter spam then they would be well protected. The Imperator class was meant to be the Republic's real 'heavy battleship' type ship. In my mind it was developed because of the rise of things like the Providence class and the Bulwarks and other larger, very powerful ships. And I'd guess that an ISD would probably be fairly rare if the Republic had survived, forming the core of a fleet, whilst supported by VSDs and Venators. But with the resources of the galaxy at hand the Empire just spammed them.
The victory and Venator in combination would be a serious threat. The Venator's massive fighter complement would easily offset the Victory's lack of point defense weapons, and the Victory can hold the line while the Venator is vulnerable during the fighter launch.
Its a pretty good question considering the economic crisis the clone wars put on the republic. You'd think refitting a venator into a proper battlecruiser would be a good solution like the Servator is in Empire at War Remake. Sounds dumb, but its a good solution, just replace the spinal hangar with extra power generators, shield gens, tractors, bolt on a row of quad turbolasers and voila.
You'd think. I wonder if it would have made a difference if the losses in lives were regular humans and aliens instead of 'just' clones. Really, I was surprised when I learned they at least put the massive SP-H (or SP-A?) turbo laser cannon on the Venators as an extra. I also wonder if this was due to the heavy losses of Venator assets, or the heavy losses of Clones' lives...aka, Clone assets.
Honestly, the Venator is my favorite both in terms of design and how it feels close to a carrier. That's of course for the Clone Wars. For the Civil War, I did prefer the Imperial-class Star Destroyer, but now I feel bad for knocking the Victory.
would probably want to command a balance of the two ships. 1 venator and 1 victory with assortment of pelta, acclimator, arquiten auxiliary support vessels spread out across a region.
The poor pilots on Screed's victory class star destroyer: Commander Screed, how should we finish off the separatist flagship and take out Ningo? Screed: Ram the ship into Ningo's ship. Pilots: Wait what? Screed: Did I stutter?
Honestly I think they should have built off the torpedo design of the Victory. Have these ships sitting back and dishing out devastating torpedo barrage on enemy ships. You can even use a special flak torpedo that'll shred any incoming starfighters by putting out a cloud of death via shrapnel. But that would be a tactically smart idea, which the imperials are not. They are too busy with ruling through fear and using the Tarken doctrine so they are more focused on huge ISDs, super ISDs and planet killing space stations to actually make a tactically smart fleet. Both taking a lot of material to make, needing a lot of support ships to defend and I'd you'd use that material on a smaller ships you'd be able to make a lot more too
The Venator as a Command Ship and a dedicated Carrier and small Convoy escort is where its best suited. The Victory Class is what the Republic needed in order to properly slug with CIS cruisers and battleships
I find it funny that the Republic Navy prioritizes their ships in the opposite way we do on Earth. We use Battleships(and every other ship) as supports groups for our carriers, where as the RN uses their carriers to support their Battleships and Destroyers.
@Geetsly's FYI, early in the video, you are listing the imperial 1 and 2 class star destroyer a, but the image shown for the ISD ii is the "Imperial Class-II frigate". (Edit: actually, a lot of the photos don't make sense in this video... normally you are pretty good about this). Aside from this, I love the video and the info in it, keep it up the good work!
In legends, the Rebels used a modified venator as a headquarters ship at one point (after battle of yavin, forget if it was before or after hoth, but I think it was before hoth). It got shredded in an imperial trap (caused by a brainwashed rebel navigator and mathematician helping the imperial fleet led by Vader find it) though and barely escaped into hyperspace to likely be scrapped immediately afterwards (most of it was vented, artificial gravity was malfunctioning as were inertial dampening systems, command bridge was almost completely destroyed, most of its crew was killed, with Leia Organa herself suffering severe injuries while onboard).
Personally I would have picked a Venator Class Star Destroyer. Whilst the Victory Class was more heavily armored and sported more mainstay turbolasers. The vessel could only ever use those weapons in one place at one time. The Venator on the other hand could attack multiple targets with its main weapon, It's Starfighter compliment. While the Venator sits back at Republic space. It's Starfighters could conduct sorties on unsuspecting Separatist targets with fast anti capital ship fighters and then jump back to Republic space once they've dropped their pay load. I could simply repeat this strategy. Taking pieces and chunks out of Separatist blockades to make way for a full invasion force. Without risking damage to my flagship itself. The Venator was more or less the Scalpel whereas the Victory was the Hammer. Both useful in their own right, but if I had to choose. The Venator would be my go to flagship.
A very underrated Star destroyer and one I have become very fond of, this is a heavy cruiser that would always have a place in my fleet as a artillery/frontline battleship
Geetsly's 499K subscribers The Victory I-Class is my Number 1# Favorite Star Destroyer, because I really really really liked it's design more and I still prefer the Victory I-Class Star Destroyer as one of the BEST Star Destroyers compared to the more infamously poorly armed Imperial I-Class/Imperial II-Class Star Destroyers used by the Galactic Empire.
I've made a fictional star destroyer called Retaliator, it's a Victory-I, I love these things and I'm so happy to see a really detailed video like this :))
Thanks man, this is the first time someone meantioned the advanced projectors. Yes, no one notices that. THough, most people don;t realize that the sheild style was different too. What I mean by that is some sheilds will defelct bolts at angles then blow up and disable the ship if hit head on (like the naboo starfighter), others would be absorbers like on the mellenium falcon. others, well, I'll let you figure that one out.
Venator class was meant to support acclamator II class, which was not a trasnport carrier, but a battleship or actual destroyer. Not just a ship that could happen to shoot and carry craft, but a dedicated shooting ship.
0:36 if u pause and look at the forward observation station as it it is called on the wiwki ( the long barel that looks like a canon that is beside the turet) why is it there and not like under the bridge instead, it sticks out like a sore thumb?
I've never underappreciated the Victory, in fact it's my favorite capital ship of the Republic and Empire. It's my mainline warship in Empire at War for the Empire and it always won my heart, and my battles. Entire campaigns in EAW and it's mod RAW were won off the back of these chads! These boys were, and always will be, my first choice of flagship. Long may the Victory stand as a legend of both the Republic and Empire.
As a commander, I would choose the Venator as my personal flagship. But I would also have it be the only carrier of the group, while other ships protected it. Ideally, a battle group would be one Venator, two Victorys, 4 Arquitens, 2 Dreadnoughts, and between 2-4 Consular Corvettes. The Victories, along with 2 of the Corvettes and Arquitens would be the spearhead of an assault, backed up by fighters from the Venator. The Dreads would stay back to defend the Venator as last lines of defense, with two other Corvettes hanging back to watch the battle unfold and strike where needed. Venators are ideal command ships for battle groups, but I wouldn't want it to ever be by itself.
The Venator is fine for shuttling hundreds of starfighters between battles, like some kind of glorified soccer mom minivan, but the Victory is where the real firepower lies.
Venator, without a doubt that is the one I would choose. Send the fights and bombers out in waves and keep at maximum range for as long as possible with the main ship. If that doesn't work, there is always ramming speed. 😈
Victory class all the way. The Venator also lacks a central support beam that runs lengthwise through the ship (due to the massive dorsal hanger in the front of the ship), making the Venator essentially two ships glued together. One well placed bomb in that massive hanger could have the potential to just break the ship in two. The Venator is a great support carrier, but not a great front line cruiser.
Something I just now realized is how these ships work so well within classical navel combat. I mean wind powered man'owars right up to 20th century battleships. Their most powerful weapon is the broadside. They can bring the most and biggest guns they have from the side of the ship. The traditional desired position of these ships is called "Crossing the T" where your ships have their broadsides facing the fronts or backs of the enemy, like the cross bar of the letter T. The star destroyers likewise seem most powerful and best defended from their broadsides. They're weakest from the top and below because not only do they have fewer weapons pointing in those directions (fact check me plz) but also because their surface is the most flat from those orientations. From the side they are skinnier, and their hulls create the greatest deflection. That makes them harder to hit and when you do hit them your projectile is more likely to bounce off. Angled armor also increases the amount of armor that a projectile must go through. If you have 3 in. armor but then tilt it, you then have 4 inches of armor that must be penetrated. If you look at modern tanks, they have slopped or rounded armor for this reason. This would explain why in TLJ they attack with a bombardment from the weakest direction of the star destroyer, the top. Whether the model creators realized it or not they seemed to have designed a functionally superior battle star ship design. We might one day see real star destroyers in the galactic navies of humans. Neat huh?
I mean, in a surprise attack, you would have a slight advantage in a Victory due to its heavy armor. Even if the crew is caught off-guard, the armor and shield would still give them enough time to counter. A venator would be wiped out in a mater of minutes. However, in a ship to ship battle I would choose the venator, use all of its assets to my advantage. It had the range due to its massive number of fighter, bomber and support ships in its arsenal. You could scout the enemy and set up ambush or surprise attacks and hit them from there while the venator is at a safe distance. If the enemy comes close, the Venators weaponry were pretty much like that of a carriers. It can dish out tons of damage due to it's ridiculous rate of fire, not to mention you can change the settings of the cannons. A pack of Venators would be deadly especially if they concentrate on one target not to mention they have light craft to support them. They are also much more quicker and more maneuverable compared to the Victory. But if I would go on planetary assault, I would go with Victory. Simply put I don't really know why I'm comparing the two since they are intended for different purposes. Would rather use them both in tandem. The Venators fighter and bomber wing to strike the enemy from afar while the Victory protects the Venators in case of surprise attack
Corporate Sector Authority used lot of Victory Star Destroyers in two base variants- one with cut armament and lesser starfighter complement which still was strong ship, and one with base armament and fighter count.
I love your content, man. You make every aspect of SW interesting and you answer questions I never even thought to ask in the first place. I'm a Venator typa guy myself
I would choose the Victory over the Venator-class any day for a space battle. While it may have considerably less starfighter support, it makes up for it in its role in fighting toe-to-toe with the various CIS military vessels. Especially the Bulwark.
If it came to being captain of a individual ship.. definitely take a victory class. But being a Fleet Capt, I'd use a venator to keep a separate position from the mainline ships.
I've always thought the Vic didn't really *need* point-Defense weapons given that massive missile array it was packing. Why waste resources on laser cannons when the ship already has the ability to delete entire squadrons in one shot?
I'd use the victory for an offensive role in my fleet with the Venator serving as my capital ship but Venators being support units supporting the fleet with not only extra firepower but with it's fighters. Those medium turbo laser turrets are not to be underestimated.
have to be honest that is a beautiful ship very powerful and very cool if I was in the Star wars universe I would love to dog fight that ship to see it in action ☺️ good video very informative 👍
I really like the victory I. I feel like the most flexible fleet composition would consist of the Imperial, Victory, and Venator ships since they all really complement each other well and cover each other’s weaknesses pretty effectively. Starfighter screens and attack squadrons through the venator, as well as point defense. Imperial can slug it out with the best of them, and the victory can act as a long range artillery piece with its missiles. If they get the engine upgrade, even better, since they can act as destroyers
Uh, I think in Canon, the Victory class Star destroyers had a number of design flaws which only got sorted out after the rise of the Empire. In fact, a lot of Imperial tech in Canon was developed later than it was in Legends, a major reason being design flaws.
I believe that they had a very terrible hyperdrive system since the VSD was rushed into service so the republic would have something to go against superior CIS capital ships (venator sucked ship to ship). It may or may not have been fixed with the victory II.
@@general8191 Victory 1 had an incredible hyperdrive and a terrible sublight. Victory 2 traded its assault and normal concussion missiles for ion cannons and way faster sublight.
While I like the power of the victory class star destroyer, I kinda prefer the versatility of the Venitor class star destroyer. But I'd be more than happy with either.
I also just realized the point of the wedge design. It effectively turns the front into a broadside. Guns and weapons can be swung forward creating a nearly 300 degree field of fire. They should have called it the Argus class. My greek myth nerds know what I'm talking about.
Were there any naval battles on record where the Victorys were used in number well into the front, as battleships to duke it out with CIS battlewagons exclusively (perhaps escorted by Crusader anti-starfighter corvettes - unless they are actually loaded with point defense cannon), while Venators and Acclimators were held in the rear for their designed roles, somewhat protected? It would be very cathartic watching an animation of Victorys and V-Wings dominating Munificients, Recuscators, and Providences, while Venators sat safe, tending the starfighter squadrons. And then after orbital supremacy having been achieved, watching around eight Acclimators maneuver into atmospheric entry to unload over 100,000 Clones to take control of the surface. All this with zero losses in space of Clone ground units, due to having exactly the correct starships in the exactly correct positions, exactly performing their engineered and intended roles.
I would have chosen the Venator, after all, command doesn't need to be heavily fortified so long as it remains camouflaged. Knowing personally the exact qualifications and extremities of performance those you're commanding would also be of greater use to an effective commander. Lastly, as Jedi commanders often descended to deploy ground forces the loss of such a craft would have proven far less devastating to the logistics of fleet dispersal (remember, republic forces were stretched pretty thin... it's logical to assume that with the addition of a Victory came a loss of allocated Venators). I also would have personally preferred a Victory reinforcement vs starting off with one, this ensures that the most devastating ship in our arsenal is in peak untarnished and fully loaded at a point in the fight where presumably the enemy has taken at least some damages and the appearance comes more as a surprise/shock to the enemy so we can deal a far more effective counter attack. For me, all these factors and more point me towards the Venator as my command ship.
I'm pretty sure there is a chance if you have the money, you could create a hybrid of Victory I & II, that still has the missiles systems while keeping the benefits of the second
I would love to see this ship in canon again. If Thrawn made the Victory 3 class as is rumored for the Empire of the Hand then it was a beautiful ship if Thrawn saw something in them. Hopefully we will see them in Thrawn's return during Ashoka and the Mandalorian.
I prefer the Venator because rapid ship deployment and some anti capital ship countermeasures, trump any large heavy hitter in terms of tactics, which was proven by the countless losses experienced by the empire to various rebel cells and eventually the rebellion
Hmm, the Ven’ or the VSD? I’d want my task force to have a mix of both, as envisaged by Leera (Lira?), and maybe with anti-starfighter escorts aplenty - prolly the Arquitens light cruiser, and a bunch of Crusader and (my favorite) CR-90 corvettes - and of course Acclimators. I really think I’d want to send the VSDs and Crusaders in to smash it up with the CIS capitals and try to protect the Venators and Acclimators to make sure I can scoop back up my Clone boys and starfighters. I’d also order up that ventral cannon that young Vader dreamt up for each Venator, and also have two or three installed on each Victory.
I would of loved to see 3 old victorys supported by 2 old venators fighting against a standard imperial star destroyer patrol .. It would of been awesome
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Engineer developing the ISD: “I’m just gonna ignore that”
Oh she didn't ignore her father's design, she just stile what she wanted
The empire and the exhaust vent on the death star be like
You say that like an Imperial class wouldn't be the perfect flagship in a Venator/Victory battlegroup. It's just that the design was more appropriate to cooperate alongside it's predecessors than to replace them.
@@RJALEXANDER777 She's also LITERALLY the designer's daughter and tried to kidnap him on Bespin in an old West End Games adventure module.
@@RJALEXANDER777 Venators operating from the rear providing the bulk of the starfighter support, Victory I’s serving as their escort while firing volleys of missiles to assist the front line. An ISD formation at the center of the formation for command and control as well as serving as a mobile harborage for the fleet’s corvettes in case they are in need of repair or resupply, close enough to engage craft that seek engage the frontline in close quarters. The frontline anchored by Tector-class Star Destroyers as the main combatants with Victory-IIs to help fill in the gaps in the lines.
I'm pretty disappointed that the Victory didn't show up in TCW, it really seems like a missed opportunity to have it appear in later seasons.
The bad batch season 2 could open the possibility of fans finally seeing some of the victory star destroyers in animation.
@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 I would have replace the Venator with a Victory class in the destruction of Kamino
@@toptiergaming6900 and what would you do during the battle of coruscant?
@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 replace the venator broadsiging thr Invisable Hand with the victory because it is better suited for it. Replace some of the background ships with it too
@@toptiergaming6900 good idea, that one venator made the invisible hand almost crashed a victory would have done more critical damage.
The VSD and Venator were designed to synergize one would act as a carrier and fire support while the other would be the space equivalent of rocket artillery as it pours salvo after salvo of anti-capital ship missiles at the nearest enemy
Indeed. I've imagined an outline for Republic Task Forces comprised of four Acclamators and their escort frigates/light cruisers combined with three Victories or Venators, or perhaps a mix of the two. Perhaps one Venator to serve as the Flagship and principal starfighter carrier, with two Victories to provide fire support and direct attack power.
@@LordCommander-ui2fw if I was a CIS commender. That fleet will be hard to destroy.
@@LordCommander-ui2fw I feel like that composition would be more cost effective and harder to bring down then just relying on an ISD. Certainly more versatile. Shame those ships were never really used properly. :(
Also, never really liked the Tarkin doctrine. Bigger = scarier doesn't work nearly as well in space as it would on land. Everything looks small in space. What's more, higher numbers are always scarier then bigger sizes.
@@SkyReaperOne Agreed. A much more reliable and flexible alternative to simply hurling the Imperial Class at a problem until it went away.
The Victory Star Destroyer was absolutely vital for the Republic during the Clone Wars, because it was designed to fight in ship to ship combat compared to the Venators who purpose was a carrier class ship. The Victory Star Destroyer could fight above it weight class, and it was armed and armored to the teeth and fight outnumbered and outclassed and win any engagement when properly supported.
The venator's armament was more geared towards self-defense where the victory's armament was more geared towards offense
in Empire at War. Half my fleets would be Victory Star Destroyers, they were awesome to use complemented by a Star Destroyer or supported by an Acclamator or a bunch of Tartans.
I tend to favour Acclamators in the early stages of the game because of their torpedo launchers - start with a TIE Scout, use the sensor ping to open a hole in the map shroud as close as possible to the enemy space station and drop 6 Acclamators at point-blank range - depending on the positioning of any defensive ships, you can blow out the enemy station's hangar bay with the first barrage. Good times.
@@ZoeMalDoran oh definitely. Acclamators are usually my main force before I get the victory's I just use the victory as the main ship once I get that, and acclamators at the front/ flanks. Star Destroyer at the back. depending on how many X-Wings and Y's there are, that's when i make it lots of tartans.
It would have been interesting to see the Rebel Alliance grab several of the Venators like they did with the CIS ships as they are not picky and needed everything they got to fight against the Galactic Empire.
I kept hoping we would see that in Star Wars rebels.😔
@@wolftal1178 you were hoping the fighting force that mostly relies on small hit and run tactics to use a carrier they basically couldn't man?... did you want them to lose?
I don’t know if the Rebel alliance can even maintain a Venator. It’s less automated then the CIS ships.
@@AssassinGTM 😆😝🤣😀😂😄😭 no, but I hoped when they got strong enough with the actual rebel fleet they might have one as a flagship, at least for a season.
@@viperson9818 The rebel flagship home one was nearly 7 times bigger than the Venator class
It amazes me that the Republic hasn't built a Star Destroyer larger than the Venator-class capable of carrying 840 or 1,200 Starfighters
Kinda makes sense when the fighting was for the most part spread out across many minor Outer RIm worlds with only the occasional larger engagement. A single ship can only be in one place.
Secutor is that ship
There was the Mandator
@@an18yearoldmongolianguy That was considered a star dreadnought i believe
First the amount amount of fighters which Venator was supposedly able to carry is way too overestimated, I think that author of the source book when writing simply put "and" instead of "or" when he was writing that it could carry over 100 hundread of ETA-2's, V- Wings, V-19 etc. Second - they made a few Secutor class ships which done to the Venator the same thing which ISD had done to the Victory. But this time carrying capacity is underestimated.
As a captain, I'd want the Victory. As an admiral, I'd want to command from a Venator.
Yep, a Venator flanked by two or more Victorys.
@@danielm.595that’s the golden play right there, a few dozen cruisers and picket ships and you should be able to take most fleets
The Venator may be the most remembered, but I'm someone who prefers having fortified, defensible positions. This makes me lean toward more armored units in general, and the Victory definitely would be favored more from my perspective. If it's built tough, I already like it. If it's heavily armed, I already like it. If it's got both? I might as well have already made arrangements to bring some under my command.
I wish we had seen the victory 1, and 2 star destroyers in season 7, and hopefully they will both appear in the bad batch season 2 alongside the sectutor-class star destroyer.
The Republic should have pushed for the victory class to enter production sooner. Its designed role as a battleship would have eased the lack of warship diversity in the Republic navy.
The main reason it didn't enter the war sooner was because of sabotage by the CIS if I'm remembering right.
Rebel's tall Bridge design for the Star Destroyers really looked goofy.
I’m afraid to say that I would still choose the Venator, partly because I’m a clone wars fan. But also there are a lot more advantages to it, depending on what style of warfare you would use. For example although they didn’t have very powerful weapons, they were actually far more long-range then the Imperial ships, who were extremely powerful but mostly only at close quarters. Also the Venator could carry nearly 10 times the amount of fighters while their long range canons had a disruptor perk that meant it could help take down Shields, and was far more manoeuvrable and quick. So between the two of them the Venator, if it used gorilla warfare tactics, I think could possibly win.
One of the main drawbacks of the Imperial was that they designed their ships purely as flagship destroyers and increased its Heavy cannons at the cost of anti-fighter turrets. Whereas the Venator who had to fight swarms of droid fighters during the clone wars had more fighter turrets then heavy cannons.
So all the Venator had to do was stay out of range while giving it a few pot shots, and sending all of its fighters to the Imperial star destroyer which would have trouble picking them off. if the imperials sent their tie fighters to try and take the Venator down, they would’ve been quickly shot down by the Venator’s many fighter defences.
In many ways I’m very surprised the new Republic didn’t use them as their new task ships, They were small so they weren’t overly foreboding to any planet they were near, they could actually land on planet if needed, they were associated with the Jedi during the clone wars, so it would’ve been a very good symbol of peace. They were powerful enough to fight off pirates and smugglers as an official warship, they were quick and small which meant they could patrol a lot of backwater systems.
They acted as cargo vessels which would’ve been brilliant for humanitarian aid or evacuation, and they could take a huge majority of fighters. All in all a very good round purpose ship.
I think they didn't use the Venators because they looked to much like the ISBs. This would create the wrong image that the Rebels wanted.
The close quarters bit is not true at all. The ISD could still hit harder at longer distances. The ISD had one of its major roles as planetary bombardment, it had plenty of range and was designed to lockdown entire systems in conventional warfare. The ISD was at least of similar speed and maneuverability to the Venator. I don't know where you're getting this nonsense.
The Venator is honestly a terrible design, it's trying to be too many things and is thus ineffective at all. It's not a dedicated carrier, it's not a dedicated command vessel, it's not a dedicated brawler. The ISD was a full invasion compliment, sure, but it had specific roles it would continue to do better than any other ship of the same status, even later when the Nebula would enter service the Imp II still could outclass it in a head-to-head, though the Nebula was a much more efficient use of resources.
You need to dedicate to a primary role and then have other vessels pick up the rest of the roles for the most part. You're not a singular ship, you're a ship in a fleet. There's a reason the Venator never returned while the VSD and ISD would continue regular usage hundreds of years after their introductions and still be capable of holding up to some of the enemy fire.
Good points y'all.
@@pubcle this information I got on a video saying Venator VS imperial star destroyer.
@@pubcle the specialist of the imperials wasn’t exactly ideal for every situation. Depending on the planet or atmosphere they would need specialist troopsAnd equipment to do the job, whereas the Venator class was so adaptable at so many different roles it could be used in any atmosphere and any battleground, And came equipped with any equipment for any circumstances. Which made the Republic so effective with its adaptability.
The Empire was too specialist for one purpose they would have to call in specialist troops or equipment.
The Victory II would be my flagship I'd have two Victory I escorts and five Venator class carriers... Plus I'd have two to seven interdictor cruisers, XDXDXD
The Venator class was a better design because its focus on fighters and bombers was a better choice in ship to ship combat, as the Venator could use snubfighters and bombers to attack enemy capital ships either from outside of the range of the enemy ships’ turbo lasers or at a range at which the enemy’s turbo lasers would be less effective, and also made the ship good for planetary invasions as could carry more ship-planet transports than a Victory class.
Although the Victory class is better at close range and close range engagements are sometimes unavoidable, the Venator class was good enough in close range engagements that it would not be worth picking a Victory over a Venator due to the Venator being substantially better in all other scenarios.
That being said, if I was designing a fleet then ideally I would want both classes as including one or two Victory class star destroyers to a fleet of venators would make exploiting the Venator class’ weakness much more difficult so I would be willing to have one less venator to have one or two victory class star destroyers in the fleet to escort the fleet’s remaining Venator class star destroyers.
However, if I had to send either a single Venator or a Single Victory class star destroyer to conduct a mission without support from the rest of the fleet then, unless there was a specific reason to think that the Victory class’ abilities were needed or that the circumstances would allow the enemy to more easily exploit the Venator class’ weakness, I would send a Venator class star destroyer every time.
All Star Destroyers can be traced back to the Harrower-class dreadnoughts. So the question is why the Jedi did not notice how much similar they are between the two? I mean, this should obviously raised a red flag there.
Aye noticed that as well
I think it was said somewhere that the wedge-shaped SD design was originally a Mandalorian concept, so it could have conceivably been adopted by both the Sith and the Republic independently. The Harrower's appearance, like the rest of SWTOR's faction aesthetics, are the result of lazy/unimaginative design - I'd much rather ships look like they derived from the old Sith warships from the Great Hyperspace War.
It's ancient history, so it doesn't matter so much. Besides, just because the Sith fleet has such a useful design doesn't mean that it's something that should be ignored.
Are you expecting every Jedi to know about an Ship design that originated in the unknown regions from an empire forgotten by history and that hasn’t been seen in the galaxy in over 3,000 years?
🤔 . . . Both have their pros & cons; I’d choose the Victory-Class over the Venator-Class when it comes to ship-to-ship combat, but in pure anti-starfighter roles & other forms of support, the Venator would be my choice of ship…
This.
What, @@moderndemon84?
@@nickvinsable3798 I agree with you.
Yeah. Basically of we talk in republic formation of three star destroyer I would out two victory class flanking a venator. Venator supports ground troops and launches starfighter while the victory provides the firepower.
No, I’d have Acclamators supporting the Ground Troops as much as possible, @@revan22…
One of the few things I really hold against Rebels series, they didn't have a Victory Class guarding Lothal...
Yeah, the Victory-class Star Destroyers really needed alot of love.
With some Acclamators on standby even.
Seeing the Imperial star destroyers with the Republics red markings on it huts different.
Considering that Victory Class Star Destroyers were active all the way through the Yuuzhan Vong War, it was certainly the more versatile and enduring than the overhyped Venators, almost all of which were obsolete and decommissioned a few years after the Clone Wars.
For political and doctrinal reasons. Palpatine discarded the Venator because of its association with the Clone Wars and the Jedi and because of a shift towards overwhelming firepower.
By the time the Empire and its Tarkin Doctrine fell, the Venator was long out of production and the MC-80 and later MC-90 did its job better, sure, but "the MC-80 did its job better" isn't much of an insult, those ships are beasts.
Acclamators are underrated.
@@demi-femme4821 the thing is that the Victory Class is superior in every way to the Venator save as a carrier, which is easily rectified by the Lancer. It's why even factions that had access to both options still chose the Victory almost every time up to fifty years later.
@@minicle426 they're alright for what they are but many vessels can do what they do better.
@@demi-femme4821 That’s right, it was purely political I think, also the Emperor just wanted more firepower rather than elegance. Because that’s why I love that shape, it was just so elegant, and far more specialist in certain situations.
In many ways I’m very surprised the new Republic didn’t use them as their new task ships, They were small so they weren’t overly foreboding to any planet they were near, they could actually land on planet if needed, they were associated with the Jedi during the clone wars, so it would’ve been a very good symbol of peace. They were powerful enough to fight off pirates and smugglers as an official warship, they were quick and small which meant they could patrol a lot of backwater systems.
They acted as cargo vessels which would’ve been brilliant for humanitarian aid or evacuation, and they could take a huge majority of fighters. All in all a very good round purpose ship.
As an admiral I would prefer the Venator over the Victory as my flag ship but I would use the Venator for what it was INTENDED for, as a fighter carrier. I would probably include some Victory ships to act as more of the front line while the Venator(s) acted as a rear line so that they would be able to quickly deploy their fighters and be safe while doing so.
Bingo, I’ll never understand why Palpatine got rid of them. Cover all your weaknesses.
Song: I need a Hero” begins playing whenever The Victory Class shows up
Separatist Commander, “Do I hear Boss Music?
Definitely Venator. Yeah it may not have the se firepower as the Victory but it is just a gorgeous ship and a workhorse at that. Take into account the power a full compliment of fighters and bombers can bring and the Venator gets my pick every time. Of course I am a little biased as it is my favorite ship
I've always had a soft spot for the VSD, and you're right, whist the VSD is not a battleship, its a very good general purpose heavy cruiser that was gun and armour heavy for naval gunnery duels and larger fleet actions. And if it was backed up by a Venator's fighter spam then they would be well protected. The Imperator class was meant to be the Republic's real 'heavy battleship' type ship. In my mind it was developed because of the rise of things like the Providence class and the Bulwarks and other larger, very powerful ships. And I'd guess that an ISD would probably be fairly rare if the Republic had survived, forming the core of a fleet, whilst supported by VSDs and Venators. But with the resources of the galaxy at hand the Empire just spammed them.
The victory and Venator in combination would be a serious threat. The Venator's massive fighter complement would easily offset the Victory's lack of point defense weapons, and the Victory can hold the line while the Venator is vulnerable during the fighter launch.
It’s as revolutionary as the Dreadnaught class irl
Its a pretty good question considering the economic crisis the clone wars put on the republic. You'd think refitting a venator into a proper battlecruiser would be a good solution like the Servator is in Empire at War Remake. Sounds dumb, but its a good solution, just replace the spinal hangar with extra power generators, shield gens, tractors, bolt on a row of quad turbolasers and voila.
You'd think. I wonder if it would have made a difference if the losses in lives were regular humans and aliens instead of 'just' clones. Really, I was surprised when I learned they at least put the massive SP-H (or SP-A?) turbo laser cannon on the Venators as an extra. I also wonder if this was due to the heavy losses of Venator assets, or the heavy losses of Clones' lives...aka, Clone assets.
Honestly, the Venator is my favorite both in terms of design and how it feels close to a carrier. That's of course for the Clone Wars.
For the Civil War, I did prefer the Imperial-class Star Destroyer, but now I feel bad for knocking the Victory.
would probably want to command a balance of the two ships. 1 venator and 1 victory with assortment of pelta, acclimator, arquiten auxiliary support vessels spread out across a region.
The poor pilots on Screed's victory class star destroyer: Commander Screed, how should we finish off the separatist flagship and take out Ningo?
Screed: Ram the ship into Ningo's ship.
Pilots: Wait what?
Screed: Did I stutter?
Honestly I think they should have built off the torpedo design of the Victory. Have these ships sitting back and dishing out devastating torpedo barrage on enemy ships. You can even use a special flak torpedo that'll shred any incoming starfighters by putting out a cloud of death via shrapnel.
But that would be a tactically smart idea, which the imperials are not. They are too busy with ruling through fear and using the Tarken doctrine so they are more focused on huge ISDs, super ISDs and planet killing space stations to actually make a tactically smart fleet. Both taking a lot of material to make, needing a lot of support ships to defend and I'd you'd use that material on a smaller ships you'd be able to make a lot more too
The Victory class is legitimately my favorite capital ship design in star wars.
The Venator as a Command Ship and a dedicated Carrier and small Convoy escort is where its best suited.
The Victory Class is what the Republic needed in order to properly slug with CIS cruisers and battleships
I find it funny that the Republic Navy prioritizes their ships in the opposite way we do on Earth. We use Battleships(and every other ship) as supports groups for our carriers, where as the RN uses their carriers to support their Battleships and Destroyers.
@Geetsly's FYI, early in the video, you are listing the imperial 1 and 2 class star destroyer a, but the image shown for the ISD ii is the "Imperial Class-II frigate". (Edit: actually, a lot of the photos don't make sense in this video... normally you are pretty good about this). Aside from this, I love the video and the info in it, keep it up the good work!
My favorite Star destroyer design.cost effective while still being powerful and intimidating
Venator class Star Destroyer: has light armor, weak points, and fewer turrets
Victory class Star Destroyer: and I took it personally
In legends, the Rebels used a modified venator as a headquarters ship at one point (after battle of yavin, forget if it was before or after hoth, but I think it was before hoth). It got shredded in an imperial trap (caused by a brainwashed rebel navigator and mathematician helping the imperial fleet led by Vader find it) though and barely escaped into hyperspace to likely be scrapped immediately afterwards (most of it was vented, artificial gravity was malfunctioning as were inertial dampening systems, command bridge was almost completely destroyed, most of its crew was killed, with Leia Organa herself suffering severe injuries while onboard).
The Victory I and II are some of my favorite star destroyers
Personally I would have picked a Venator Class Star Destroyer.
Whilst the Victory Class was more heavily armored and sported more mainstay turbolasers. The vessel could only ever use those weapons in one place at one time.
The Venator on the other hand could attack multiple targets with its main weapon, It's Starfighter compliment.
While the Venator sits back at Republic space. It's Starfighters could conduct sorties on unsuspecting Separatist targets with fast anti capital ship fighters and then jump back to Republic space once they've dropped their pay load.
I could simply repeat this strategy. Taking pieces and chunks out of Separatist blockades to make way for a full invasion force. Without risking damage to my flagship itself.
The Venator was more or less the Scalpel whereas the Victory was the Hammer. Both useful in their own right, but if I had to choose. The Venator would be my go to flagship.
A very underrated Star destroyer and one I have become very fond of, this is a heavy cruiser that would always have a place in my fleet as a artillery/frontline battleship
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499K subscribers The Victory I-Class is my Number 1# Favorite Star Destroyer, because I really really really liked it's design more and I still prefer the Victory I-Class Star Destroyer as one of the BEST Star Destroyers compared to the more infamously poorly armed Imperial I-Class/Imperial II-Class Star Destroyers used by the Galactic Empire.
I've made a fictional star destroyer called Retaliator, it's a Victory-I, I love these things and I'm so happy to see a really detailed video like this :))
Thanks man, this is the first time someone meantioned the advanced projectors.
Yes, no one notices that.
THough, most people don;t realize that the sheild style was different too.
What I mean by that is some sheilds will defelct bolts at angles then blow up and disable the ship if hit head on (like the naboo starfighter), others would be absorbers like on the mellenium falcon. others, well, I'll let you figure that one out.
I'd have to go with the Venator, the larger fighter complement gives the ship far more versatility.
You forgot to mention how the Victory also worked great for in atmosphere strafing runs!
I LOVE the Victory Star Destroyer! it gets overshadowed by the ISD but it's really amazing in its own right!
I absolutely love the Victory Class Star Destroyer. It's been a long time favorite of mine.
Venator master race
They should have used a prototype ISD or a victory to destroy Kamino in bad vatch
Venator class was meant to support acclamator II class, which was not a trasnport carrier, but a battleship or actual destroyer.
Not just a ship that could happen to shoot and carry craft, but a dedicated shooting ship.
0:36 if u pause and look at the forward observation station as it it is called on the wiwki ( the long barel that looks like a canon that is beside the turet) why is it there and not like under the bridge instead, it sticks out like a sore thumb?
I've never underappreciated the Victory, in fact it's my favorite capital ship of the Republic and Empire. It's my mainline warship in Empire at War for the Empire and it always won my heart, and my battles. Entire campaigns in EAW and it's mod RAW were won off the back of these chads! These boys were, and always will be, my first choice of flagship. Long may the Victory stand as a legend of both the Republic and Empire.
I heard admiral dua lingo for a sec, and I was genuinely worried that it spread to Star Wars
This was a great vid! Thank you for putting your time and effort into researching and producing it! I REALLY enjoyed it!
As a commander, I would choose the Venator as my personal flagship. But I would also have it be the only carrier of the group, while other ships protected it.
Ideally, a battle group would be one Venator, two Victorys, 4 Arquitens, 2 Dreadnoughts, and between 2-4 Consular Corvettes.
The Victories, along with 2 of the Corvettes and Arquitens would be the spearhead of an assault, backed up by fighters from the Venator. The Dreads would stay back to defend the Venator as last lines of defense, with two other Corvettes hanging back to watch the battle unfold and strike where needed.
Venators are ideal command ships for battle groups, but I wouldn't want it to ever be by itself.
The Venator is fine for shuttling hundreds of starfighters between battles, like some kind of glorified soccer mom minivan, but the Victory is where the real firepower lies.
Venator, without a doubt that is the one I would choose. Send the fights and bombers out in waves and keep at maximum range for as long as possible with the main ship. If that doesn't work, there is always ramming speed. 😈
To be fair, Victory is the PERFECT star destroyer, it is well balanced all around without being USS Wasted Potential in any part
Complete lack of sublight speed on the base model coupled with ammo dependency causes issues.
Victory class all the way. The Venator also lacks a central support beam that runs lengthwise through the ship (due to the massive dorsal hanger in the front of the ship), making the Venator essentially two ships glued together. One well placed bomb in that massive hanger could have the potential to just break the ship in two. The Venator is a great support carrier, but not a great front line cruiser.
Something I just now realized is how these ships work so well within classical navel combat. I mean wind powered man'owars right up to 20th century battleships. Their most powerful weapon is the broadside. They can bring the most and biggest guns they have from the side of the ship. The traditional desired position of these ships is called "Crossing the T" where your ships have their broadsides facing the fronts or backs of the enemy, like the cross bar of the letter T. The star destroyers likewise seem most powerful and best defended from their broadsides. They're weakest from the top and below because not only do they have fewer weapons pointing in those directions (fact check me plz) but also because their surface is the most flat from those orientations. From the side they are skinnier, and their hulls create the greatest deflection. That makes them harder to hit and when you do hit them your projectile is more likely to bounce off. Angled armor also increases the amount of armor that a projectile must go through. If you have 3 in. armor but then tilt it, you then have 4 inches of armor that must be penetrated. If you look at modern tanks, they have slopped or rounded armor for this reason. This would explain why in TLJ they attack with a bombardment from the weakest direction of the star destroyer, the top. Whether the model creators realized it or not they seemed to have designed a functionally superior battle star ship design. We might one day see real star destroyers in the galactic navies of humans. Neat huh?
I mean, in a surprise attack, you would have a slight advantage in a Victory due to its heavy armor. Even if the crew is caught off-guard, the armor and shield would still give them enough time to counter. A venator would be wiped out in a mater of minutes. However, in a ship to ship battle I would choose the venator, use all of its assets to my advantage. It had the range due to its massive number of fighter, bomber and support ships in its arsenal. You could scout the enemy and set up ambush or surprise attacks and hit them from there while the venator is at a safe distance. If the enemy comes close, the Venators weaponry were pretty much like that of a carriers. It can dish out tons of damage due to it's ridiculous rate of fire, not to mention you can change the settings of the cannons. A pack of Venators would be deadly especially if they concentrate on one target not to mention they have light craft to support them. They are also much more quicker and more maneuverable compared to the Victory. But if I would go on planetary assault, I would go with Victory. Simply put I don't really know why I'm comparing the two since they are intended for different purposes. Would rather use them both in tandem. The Venators fighter and bomber wing to strike the enemy from afar while the Victory protects the Venators in case of surprise attack
Corporate Sector Authority used lot of Victory Star Destroyers in two base variants- one with cut armament and lesser starfighter complement which still was strong ship, and one with base armament and fighter count.
I love your content, man. You make every aspect of SW interesting and you answer questions I never even thought to ask in the first place.
I'm a Venator typa guy myself
I would choose the Victory over the Venator-class any day for a space battle. While it may have considerably less starfighter support, it makes up for it in its role in fighting toe-to-toe with the various CIS military vessels. Especially the Bulwark.
Both of the ships were excellent design, and had pros and cons about them yes
the victory in the Empire at War Remake mod is a jack of all trades. Its so good.
I would combine the best qualities of the Victory class with the Venator class.
If it came to being captain of a individual ship.. definitely take a victory class. But being a Fleet Capt, I'd use a venator to keep a separate position from the mainline ships.
I've always thought the Vic didn't really *need* point-Defense weapons given that massive missile array it was packing. Why waste resources on laser cannons when the ship already has the ability to delete entire squadrons in one shot?
I'd use the victory for an offensive role in my fleet with the Venator serving as my capital ship but Venators being support units supporting the fleet with not only extra firepower but with it's fighters. Those medium turbo laser turrets are not to be underestimated.
have to be honest that is a beautiful ship very powerful and very cool if I was in the Star wars universe I would love to dog fight that ship to see it in action ☺️ good video very informative 👍
What the fuck
? what ?
I remember that Victory Class ships were the core of the naval combat in Star Wars: Empire at War
I really like the victory I. I feel like the most flexible fleet composition would consist of the Imperial, Victory, and Venator ships since they all really complement each other well and cover each other’s weaknesses pretty effectively. Starfighter screens and attack squadrons through the venator, as well as point defense. Imperial can slug it out with the best of them, and the victory can act as a long range artillery piece with its missiles. If they get the engine upgrade, even better, since they can act as destroyers
I loved the Victory class star destroyer so much in Empire at War.
Uh, I think in Canon, the Victory class Star destroyers had a number of design flaws which only got sorted out after the rise of the Empire. In fact, a lot of Imperial tech in Canon was developed later than it was in Legends, a major reason being design flaws.
I believe that they had a very terrible hyperdrive system since the VSD was rushed into service so the republic would have something to go against superior CIS capital ships (venator sucked ship to ship). It may or may not have been fixed with the victory II.
@@general8191 Victory 1 had an incredible hyperdrive and a terrible sublight. Victory 2 traded its assault and normal concussion missiles for ion cannons and way faster sublight.
While I like the power of the victory class star destroyer, I kinda prefer the versatility of the Venitor class star destroyer. But I'd be more than happy with either.
The Venator class Star Destroyer is an oddly misnamed ship given it's a Star Carrier by all metrics.
So that's how they went from the Venator to a space dorito. Now it makes a lot more sense.
I also just realized the point of the wedge design. It effectively turns the front into a broadside. Guns and weapons can be swung forward creating a nearly 300 degree field of fire. They should have called it the Argus class. My greek myth nerds know what I'm talking about.
Germans and Japanese: more guns aren’t optional, they’re mandatory.
Were there any naval battles on record where the Victorys were used in number well into the front, as battleships to duke it out with CIS battlewagons exclusively (perhaps escorted by Crusader anti-starfighter corvettes - unless they are actually loaded with point defense cannon), while Venators and Acclimators were held in the rear for their designed roles, somewhat protected?
It would be very cathartic watching an animation of Victorys and V-Wings dominating Munificients, Recuscators, and Providences, while Venators sat safe, tending the starfighter squadrons. And then after orbital supremacy having been achieved, watching around eight Acclimators maneuver into atmospheric entry to unload over 100,000 Clones to take control of the surface.
All this with zero losses in space of Clone ground units, due to having exactly the correct starships in the exactly correct positions, exactly performing their engineered and intended roles.
3:02 The Republic seriously should have done that in the first place...
I would have chosen the Venator, after all, command doesn't need to be heavily fortified so long as it remains camouflaged. Knowing personally the exact qualifications and extremities of performance those you're commanding would also be of greater use to an effective commander. Lastly, as Jedi commanders often descended to deploy ground forces the loss of such a craft would have proven far less devastating to the logistics of fleet dispersal (remember, republic forces were stretched pretty thin... it's logical to assume that with the addition of a Victory came a loss of allocated Venators). I also would have personally preferred a Victory reinforcement vs starting off with one, this ensures that the most devastating ship in our arsenal is in peak untarnished and fully loaded at a point in the fight where presumably the enemy has taken at least some damages and the appearance comes more as a surprise/shock to the enemy so we can deal a far more effective counter attack. For me, all these factors and more point me towards the Venator as my command ship.
I loved them in the Empire at War games. Mixed things up a little
I'm pretty sure there is a chance if you have the money, you could create a hybrid of Victory I & II, that still has the missiles systems while keeping the benefits of the second
One small, but major correction: Those bulbs on top of a Star Destroyer bridge are the comms array, NOT the shield generator.
I wish the Armada game development team would look more at stuff like this.
It may not be as tough, but the Venator holds my heart
I would love to see this ship in canon again. If Thrawn made the Victory 3 class as is rumored for the Empire of the Hand then it was a beautiful ship if Thrawn saw something in them. Hopefully we will see them in Thrawn's return during Ashoka and the Mandalorian.
I think the Victory-class Star Destroyer is a cool ship in Star Wars, but I love the Venator-class more.
I prefer the Venator because rapid ship deployment and some anti capital ship countermeasures, trump any large heavy hitter in terms of tactics, which was proven by the countless losses experienced by the empire to various rebel cells and eventually the rebellion
Hmm, the Ven’ or the VSD? I’d want my task force to have a mix of both, as envisaged by Leera (Lira?), and maybe with anti-starfighter escorts aplenty - prolly the Arquitens light cruiser, and a bunch of Crusader and (my favorite) CR-90 corvettes - and of course Acclimators. I really think I’d want to send the VSDs and Crusaders in to smash it up with the CIS capitals and try to protect the Venators and Acclimators to make sure I can scoop back up my Clone boys and starfighters. I’d also order up that ventral cannon that young Vader dreamt up for each Venator, and also have two or three installed on each Victory.
I like the fire power of the Victory class but I'd still choose the Venator. I like having more air support than big guns. That's just my preference
I'll always love the Venator class as it my preferred design over the tridimensional star destroyer
I would have loved to seen the venter ship and the victory ship fight along side each other
Great vid, my favorite star destroyer is the Victory class.
I have always had a soft spot for the Venator class as it is sort of a jack of all trades . While being a carrier.
From where is the picture at 1:46 of thr venator with 2 light cruisers?
I would of loved to see 3 old victorys supported by 2 old venators fighting against a standard imperial star destroyer patrol .. It would of been awesome