Ulfric made the wrong decision in killing Toryg since he could have just asked him to secede from the empire. His intention may be pure, but the rebellion wasn't a way that really benefits Skyrim.
Honestly, i used to believe the same thing. However, nowadays, I've come to realize what may have been going in through Ulfircs mind. The very fact that ulfric would even have to CONVINCE, meaning theres a chance that he says no, Torygg to do what Ulfric and many others in Skyrim already want and see Skyrim needs, is already damning evidence that the High King was blind to the peoples suffering. Moreover, even if Ulfric were to CONVINCE Torygg to succeed, as a boy he wouldn't be capable enough to lead Skyrim afterwards. What's the point of succeeding if his naivete and inexperience would lead to Skyrims eventually fall? Skyrim needs a High King who can make the tough decisions, not one who needs to be told.
That's my biggest issue with Ulfric: he's violent first and then he stops and thinks. He's angry and reckless, which means he's easy to manipulate and deceive.
@@serbreton823 Let's assume you're right and that was Ulfric's thought process. But does it mean he's right? This is what I fundamentally dislike about Ulfric: he has a giant chip on his shoulder and he's reckless. He made his statement, his little power move, but at what cost? At the cost of half of his own Nords thinking he's a power-hungry wannabe tyrant. At least having a discussion with Torygg before challenging him would have made Ulfric seem reasonable, that he tried to give peace a chance, even if he only did it as a facade. The warm welcome at Torygg's court should have signalled to him that his bid for independence can have legitimacy and acceptance from everyone. Then the Empire would have had a really hard time fighting against a united Skyrim. But as things stand, half... over half of Skyrim is against Ulfric and for the Empire, including people who in principle agree with Ulfric, who get where he's coming from like Legate Rikke. Heck, I myself get his grievances, but how he pursues independence is what's off-putting to me. You have people who agree with him still fight against him (Rikke and even Tullius gets his grievances), but how many people do you hear who agree with the Empire in principle, but fight on Ulfric's side? I don't know of any. That means he's alienating a lot of potential allies, even people inclined to agree with his complaints... still choose to go against him. That's bad. Ulfric ultimately doesn't get that it's not just what you want, but how you seek it that's important and that's a massive political failure on his part.
@octavianpopescu4776 IF that was the case, and Ulfric is easy to manipulate, then there wouldn't be much of a war going on. Any tactician worth their salt would be able to trick ulfric into making foolish military decisions or political decisions (in regards to High Hrothgars peace treaty) all without the dragonborns involvement by playing to his pride, anger, and recklessness. From my perspective it seems like he's passionate not hot headed or reckless.
He's a hero but also a broken man, so the line is rather thin. However, the Empire has been an impossible choice for me. There is 1. The almost-execution at game begin, 2. Handing Thorald who was a citizen back then (and not a SC) to the Thalmor, leaving him to rot and being tortured in their prison, just as many other Nords and other races too, 3. Tullius ignorance vs. Nord tradition - while Nords in his army are dying for the Empire, he doesn't even know about Sovngarde, 4. The simple fact that we are a mere asset in the Imperial army while in the rebellion we are seen as a brother/sister, … just to name a few reasons. If this will be the end of men long-term, then so be it. Galmar got this right: “I will not live as a slave, nor will I die as one.”
Ulfric is the only true King of Skyrim. All Hail the King! (My dunmer joined him) All he wanted was a FREE Skyrim. And he wasn't racist, he just wanted the races in SKyrim to declare for one side. There was no neutrality, you either fight for Skyrim or you are against it. Yes, rough stance, but its because he needs loyal people, in war, to make sure there are no Imperial spies among his ranks
Which is undeniably a stance that fails, because every Stormcloak (including Ulfric himself) remain utterly paranoid about the pervasiveness of Imperial spies in his ranks. And his racial policies backfire on him in spectacular fashion too, since the non-Nords are unashamedly pro-Empire.
I think both sides have ups and downs. Stormcloaks are trying to do the right thing, but if they take out the imperials then they have to fight the thalmor which is a fight they cannot win at this moment. Imperials are just being controlled by the thalmor, but according to tullius, he is preparing to fight against the thalmor so they can do some good too. I think the best outcome would be if the stormcloak and imperials combined their forces to drive the thalmor out which they could maybe do with the amount of soldiers they'd have. But then it'd be so much politics about rulings and area control etc xD Overall, just pick what you want, it doesnt really matter in the end. I like the stormcloaks most just because i like Ulfrics voice xD
@@TheGaming_Man In regards to your question, Ulfric is at best a Well Intentioned Extremist, delusional at worst. His goal is essentially to recreate what he saw as this pre Empire golden age of Skyrim. And he is totally okay kicking out all non Nords and murdering any other Jarls who aren't on-board with his goals.
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Ulfric is a blunt instrument. Appropriate to his sigil, he is very much a bear. And there are times when a bear is what's needed. But ruling Skyrim and being a High King requires more than just a blunt instrument. It requires brains, sophistication and logistical know how, all of which the Empire has more of.
I kind of disagree with that. I think that the politicking has been going on for too long, court intrigues and all that have taken over and left actual ruling of the province in the background, and a lot of change is needed.
@@madcrusader123 yeah, and Tullius is just as able to cut through the crap as Ulfric. However, the difference between the two is that Tullius is also far more competent in more subtle matters like intelligence gathering and policy decisions. When Ulfric wants to send a message, he commits a murder and half the country denounce him. When Tullius wants to send a message, he sends letters, bribes and spies. Tullius achieves much more subtle aims, like changing Jarls as needed, and obtaining their allegiance. But no one in Skyrim denounces him as a murderer.
The thing about skyrims civil war that makes me laugh. Is how those who never played previous games. The Empire is never the good guys. They show in the escape from Helgan that the Empire has torture chambers. But the storm cloaks had not one. Yet because they call him "wacist " which Is a magical curse. Even if it's not true. Didn't see any of the Empire controlled cities take in any refugees from morrowind? Even a few of the Dunmer in gray quarter admit it's not as bad as the Empire says. But everyone of the skybabies will get physically mad if you point any of this out. Sad as this plays out often in TRW
I thought the same thing. In fact if you know the Elder Scroll lore well enough you will note that most races are pretty xenophobic towards eachother. Especially Elves. As far as the Argonians outside the city.... well. seeing as there would probably be tension between former slaves of Dunmer, I would want to keep the two races separate too. Also, seeing that there was just a war where Mer slaughter Man.(Again) I wouldnt be too fond of Elves either. Just a perspective . Truthfully, I personally simp hard for high elves and dark elves.
He is the reason I don't side with the rebels, even though I can see their side. He doesn't deserve to be high king. I wish the game let you challenge him the way he challenged Torygg and lead the rebellion instead.
In the end of the civil war (stormcloak side) He still doesn't declare himself high king and leaves Jarl Eliseif as High Queen under the condition she doesn't try anything against him. Still leaves it for the moot to decide. I don't side with the empire because I hate people that bend their knees to the Aldmeri Dominion. I do really hate the Aldmeri Dominion (Not all Altmers agree with the Aldmeri Dominion). Another reason I side with the Stormcloaks is because a rebellion is necessary when the governing forces have become tyrannical and is no longer for freedom of the people
@@JorgeSanchez-yz9wc Bruh. He lets the moot "decide" because he wants the legitimacy of being chosen by the moot and it doesn't cost him anything to do so. He literally just finished removing and replacing all the jarls who opposed him. The moot's "decision" is like north koreans having "elections" and getting to vote for Kim Jong Un lmao. It's just a formality.
@sheogorath1374 Not all the jarls he replaces want him as high king. They might share his vision of a free Skyrim, but not all of them believe he's high king material. So who's not to say a different Jarl might be chosen to be high king instead of Ulfric? There's lots of what-ifs and Bethesda won't say what's cannon and what's not and I get why but, it'd be nice to know
@@JorgeSanchez-yz9wc I have a hard time believing that he would put anyone who doesn't support him in charge and there is nothing in the game to indicate otherwise. Bethesda doesn't say what's cannon because they will obviously follow the same formula of "something huge happened after the game that fucked up the region you played in and it renders all your actions meaningless". They did it with Morrowind ( volcano eruption ) and they did it with Oblivion ( the great war). Knowing Bethesda, Skyrim is about to get nuked by the Thalmor or something so no matter what you choose, it doesn't matter.
@sheogorath1374 I can understand why. Only Gods know how many times I've played through the Civil War, so I have put a lot of thought into both sides. Yeah true that, gotta love morrowind though. I can't wait for the Skywind and skyblivion mods to come out
Yes and no...I feel he was being selfish, felt he knew that he could have asked Toryyg to rebel, and he would have... but he wanted to be the High King. He had the nords best interest at heart, but that was where it stopped. The only reason he will like the dragon born, regardless of race, is because honor and duty demanded it
He's not bad per se. But I support a united Empire. And what happens when the Thalmor stops sending resources to the Stormcloaks? Will they still be able to fight the high elves by themselves?
if you look at the history of the Nords, they once fought against the elves and it didn't end very well for those elves, the same applies to the redguards. personally, I hope that the Empire would never take over the whole continent again, the world is a more interesting place in terms of storytelling potential than it is scattered. more scheming, alliances and potential conflicts and the thalmor can always be defeated with an alliance.
@JimmyRings771 absolutely. The Aldmeri Dominion has been lucky so far, but if they think that all of Tampriel would just give up if the Empire fell, they are completely delusional. + Morowind and its Dunmer would hardly look away either if some new "Empire" tried to command them once again and the Argonians have the Hist trees. = in the longer term, the Aldmeri Dominion is doomed.
@JimmyRings771 + it's a world where the gods are real, so wouldn't one of them intervene if things got really bad. so I don't think Tampriel is doomed.
I was against Ulfric in my first playthrough because it just seemed smarter to team up against the Thalmor instead of fighting eachother. But my second time playing I decided to do the Stormcloak side of the Civil War and the speech about "I fight because I must" gave me chills. I am now a Stormcloak for the rest of my life
Ulfric's "I fight because I must" speech is really quite impressive. I've been playing Skyrim for a couple of times now and I still can't decide who's right.🤨
@@trueblue6201 Well not really. Without ranting too much, Ulfric allowed these Elves into his city as refugees with no money that fled after the Red Mt. erupted. So it's basically the gray quarter is more like a homeless shelter that he's allowing them to stay in. (Also note that Dunmer are like one of, if not, the most racist species)
Hate ulfric, love the stormcloaks. Ulfric is a great general, that fights well and can keep the morale of his men up. He’s also a terrible statesman, I don’t want him being high king at all; I’d rather give him a large surplus of equipment and send him directly at Skyrim’s enemies with as many men as are want to go. If he was a good leader for civilians he would’ve used the city’s gold to provide the Dunmer and argonians separate guarded caravans out of Skyrim instead of fostering negative racial tensions in his city.
Yes war will leave everyone weak against aldmeri dominion. But better to fight back the opressors and die a man than submitting like empire does... "i fight because i must"
The empire isn't submitting it is biding its time. They very much so intend to fight back. Another great war between the Aldmeri and the Empire is basically guaranteed. It's a matter of Weakening the empire side for the Aldmeri / for Ulfric. Basically if you research the lore you'll know the empire completely intends to fight against the Aldmeri again. Both sides are building up troops and as a matter of fact, by the time of Skyrim, the Aldmeri have lined northern Elseweyr with troops while the Empire has fortified southern Cyrodil with troops. A fight is guaranteed / on the verge of breaking soon. Ulfric causing instability in Skyrim only helps the elves.
@@farhansaber9330 Skyrim and hammerfell seems a better chance to me the empire is dying they have too many problems if you remove the dragonborn involvement with politics as his goal is defeating dragons and alduin, you got a rebellion and an assassination plot on the emperor the odds are against them and i highly think they will fail and the emperor will die and ulfric will win
@@farhansaber9330 so you what you sre saying that they intended to fight back but dont minds surrviving sone thalmor bullyibg for a few years on its people. Thats a weak country and will be taken advantage off
@@farhansaber9330 I see this point a lot, But to the Nords that have spent years and years under the thumb of a Aldmeri controlled Empire Every day innocent Nords are KILLED by the Empire on the behalf of the Aldmeri just because they worship Talos How many people have to be persecuted before enough is enough ? Despite the Empire preparing, Skyrim is lightly defended by the Imperials? Maybe the Empires plan is to abandon all provinces but Cyrodil and converging all there forces in one area letting everywhere else be defeated. The current Empire is fucked , Its weak , Its spineless and its only hope is a war with a faction that has only gotten stronger while the Empire weakens even before the events of Skyrim Heres what the Empire would do in such a war The Empire struggles against A single provinces rebellion IT cant Defeat the Aldmer The Empires best chance is for it to splinter and each region defends itself , Hammerfell is doing it and are beating the Aldmeri back and once each regional Aldmeri force is destroyed they can converge and unite AND before you say Ulfric is a puppet No he is not All there is to that point is that the Aldmeri consider his rebellion useful to them, but you have to remember the Aldmeri are cocky and always think there are right. This shit has happened so many times in real life Country aids a rebel - Rebel wins - Rebels turns on them- Country surprised Pikachu face.
The empire submit inorder to rebuild and regroup and now they have a dragonborn if the dragonborn kills ulfric which I don't like doing but I must when the moot meets to decide the king surely they won't vote in elisyf if they have any sense at all they'll vote in balgruuf a far stronger king who doesn't care for the thalmor and then the dragonborn with the forces of Skyrim can overthrow the mede dynasty and install the dragonborn that's my headcannon anyway
In my opinion neither im imperial but i love the nords. If he just waited longer he would've git what he wanted the empire and Skyrim would've got the chance to fight the thalmor no one in Skyrim cares besides the thalmor even tulius doesnt care about the thalmor worhsip balgruuf despite siding with the empire still lets heimskar preach about talos and worships talos the empire will be free from thr thalmor and balgruuf high king hopefully. So he isn't a hero or villain just a fool if you ask me i always carry am amulet of talos and always get his blessing im whiterun if ulfric rralised that the empire was planning to fight the thalmor again he wouldn't have to die
@@AaronRodgeerhe was wrong for encouraging it. Leads to more problems than it solves. Escort them to morrowind it’s not that far probably only a few months tops depending on lore scale.
@@trueblue6201 The thing you need to understand with Elder Scrolls races is that as a general rule, especially if we compare them to modern sensibilities, everyone is super racist. Different races manifest it in different ways and some are more blatant about it than others, but everyone believes themselves superior in someway, and everyone else are either weak, cowardly, barbaric, idiotic, arrogant, etc, or some combination thereof. As for Argonians specifically, most races can at least understand each other to a degree. They might not like each other, but the other can be understood to an extent because knowledge about them exists. Everyone else has a recognizable civilization, even if they still think its inferior. Take Nords and Altmer. The Altmer think Nords are barbarians, but they still have relatively complex architecture, have a vaguely feudal society, worship beings we know to be gods, and so on. They're 'primitive,' but recognizably an intelligent and more or less civilized race. The Argonians don't really have that to help. They look like man-sized lizards, and they're exceptionally isolationist. As a result all the general populace knows about them is that they like swamps and worship trees, don't have the same non-vocal queues everyone else uses, look like animals, and they live in mud huts. Because of this theres not a whole lot there to convince people they're much better than the semi-civilized races like Goblinoids, Giants, etc. Also, it doesn't help that as of ESO the Khenaten Flu (probably butchered the spelling) came out of Black March a little back and killed a buttload of people where it hit in Southern Tamriel.
Ulfric is a hero imo. He watched his country lose it's independence, invaded by outsiders, his country's religion get outlawed but said invaders. It's Elder Scrolls Red Dawn.
@@Sir_1nu No Tulius is one of the smartest men in the entire game. How the hell was he supposed to know we were dragonborn or Alduin had returned until after the execution gets started. The whole beginning sequence is Talius ambushing Ulfric then rushing his execution. Before the high elves can use their political influence to have Ulfric transferred to their custody so that Ulfric can "escape" their custody. Further dragging out the civil war distracting the empire. The only thing that stopped him from succeeding was an impatient man wanting to die, a bad choice from the imperial legate overseeing the execution on who was next, and the first dragon seen in over a millennia.
@@tylerpetersen6226 and don't even say that it was the captain who wanted to execute us, that captain is under the direct command of the General and if Tulius is the kind of General who let his subordinate mindlessly execute or accuse people without strong evidence then that General is an absolute stupid buffoon
Ulfric made the wrong decision in killing Toryg since he could have just asked him to secede from the empire. His intention may be pure, but the rebellion wasn't a way that really benefits Skyrim.
Honestly, i used to believe the same thing. However, nowadays, I've come to realize what may have been going in through Ulfircs mind. The very fact that ulfric would even have to CONVINCE, meaning theres a chance that he says no, Torygg to do what Ulfric and many others in Skyrim already want and see Skyrim needs, is already damning evidence that the High King was blind to the peoples suffering. Moreover, even if Ulfric were to CONVINCE Torygg to succeed, as a boy he wouldn't be capable enough to lead Skyrim afterwards. What's the point of succeeding if his naivete and inexperience would lead to Skyrims eventually fall? Skyrim needs a High King who can make the tough decisions, not one who needs to be told.
That's my biggest issue with Ulfric: he's violent first and then he stops and thinks. He's angry and reckless, which means he's easy to manipulate and deceive.
@@serbreton823 Let's assume you're right and that was Ulfric's thought process. But does it mean he's right? This is what I fundamentally dislike about Ulfric: he has a giant chip on his shoulder and he's reckless. He made his statement, his little power move, but at what cost? At the cost of half of his own Nords thinking he's a power-hungry wannabe tyrant. At least having a discussion with Torygg before challenging him would have made Ulfric seem reasonable, that he tried to give peace a chance, even if he only did it as a facade. The warm welcome at Torygg's court should have signalled to him that his bid for independence can have legitimacy and acceptance from everyone. Then the Empire would have had a really hard time fighting against a united Skyrim.
But as things stand, half... over half of Skyrim is against Ulfric and for the Empire, including people who in principle agree with Ulfric, who get where he's coming from like Legate Rikke. Heck, I myself get his grievances, but how he pursues independence is what's off-putting to me. You have people who agree with him still fight against him (Rikke and even Tullius gets his grievances), but how many people do you hear who agree with the Empire in principle, but fight on Ulfric's side? I don't know of any. That means he's alienating a lot of potential allies, even people inclined to agree with his complaints... still choose to go against him. That's bad. Ulfric ultimately doesn't get that it's not just what you want, but how you seek it that's important and that's a massive political failure on his part.
@octavianpopescu4776 IF that was the case, and Ulfric is easy to manipulate, then there wouldn't be much of a war going on. Any tactician worth their salt would be able to trick ulfric into making foolish military decisions or political decisions (in regards to High Hrothgars peace treaty) all without the dragonborns involvement by playing to his pride, anger, and recklessness. From my perspective it seems like he's passionate not hot headed or reckless.
@@serbreton823 The Thalmor played him like a fiddle. They did it before, so they can do it again.
He's a hero but also a broken man, so the line is rather thin.
However, the Empire has been an impossible choice for me. There is 1. The almost-execution at game begin, 2. Handing Thorald who was a citizen back then (and not a SC) to the Thalmor, leaving him to rot and being tortured in their prison, just as many other Nords and other races too, 3. Tullius ignorance vs. Nord tradition - while Nords in his army are dying for the Empire, he doesn't even know about Sovngarde, 4. The simple fact that we are a mere asset in the Imperial army while in the rebellion we are seen as a brother/sister, … just to name a few reasons.
If this will be the end of men long-term, then so be it. Galmar got this right: “I will not live as a slave, nor will I die as one.”
Ulfric is the only true King of Skyrim. All Hail the King! (My dunmer joined him) All he wanted was a FREE Skyrim. And he wasn't racist, he just wanted the races in SKyrim to declare for one side. There was no neutrality, you either fight for Skyrim or you are against it. Yes, rough stance, but its because he needs loyal people, in war, to make sure there are no Imperial spies among his ranks
Which is undeniably a stance that fails, because every Stormcloak (including Ulfric himself) remain utterly paranoid about the pervasiveness of Imperial spies in his ranks. And his racial policies backfire on him in spectacular fashion too, since the non-Nords are unashamedly pro-Empire.
I think both sides have ups and downs. Stormcloaks are trying to do the right thing, but if they take out the imperials then they have to fight the thalmor which is a fight they cannot win at this moment. Imperials are just being controlled by the thalmor, but according to tullius, he is preparing to fight against the thalmor so they can do some good too. I think the best outcome would be if the stormcloak and imperials combined their forces to drive the thalmor out which they could maybe do with the amount of soldiers they'd have. But then it'd be so much politics about rulings and area control etc xD Overall, just pick what you want, it doesnt really matter in the end. I like the stormcloaks most just because i like Ulfrics voice xD
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@@TheGaming_Man In regards to your question, Ulfric is at best a Well Intentioned Extremist, delusional at worst. His goal is essentially to recreate what he saw as this pre Empire golden age of Skyrim. And he is totally okay kicking out all non Nords and murdering any other Jarls who aren't on-board with his goals.
@@TheGaming_Man Also, the lofi beats don't suit the Skyrim vibe imo
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Ulfric is a blunt instrument. Appropriate to his sigil, he is very much a bear. And there are times when a bear is what's needed.
But ruling Skyrim and being a High King requires more than just a blunt instrument. It requires brains, sophistication and logistical know how, all of which the Empire has more of.
I kind of disagree with that. I think that the politicking has been going on for too long, court intrigues and all that have taken over and left actual ruling of the province in the background, and a lot of change is needed.
@@madcrusader123 yeah, and Tullius is just as able to cut through the crap as Ulfric. However, the difference between the two is that Tullius is also far more competent in more subtle matters like intelligence gathering and policy decisions.
When Ulfric wants to send a message, he commits a murder and half the country denounce him.
When Tullius wants to send a message, he sends letters, bribes and spies. Tullius achieves much more subtle aims, like changing Jarls as needed, and obtaining their allegiance. But no one in Skyrim denounces him as a murderer.
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The thing about skyrims civil war that makes me laugh. Is how those who never played previous games. The Empire is never the good guys. They show in the escape from Helgan that the Empire has torture chambers. But the storm cloaks had not one. Yet because they call him "wacist " which Is a magical curse. Even if it's not true. Didn't see any of the Empire controlled cities take in any refugees from morrowind? Even a few of the Dunmer in gray quarter admit it's not as bad as the Empire says. But everyone of the skybabies will get physically mad if you point any of this out.
Sad as this plays out often in TRW
I thought the same thing. In fact if you know the Elder Scroll lore well enough you will note that most races are pretty xenophobic towards eachother. Especially Elves. As far as the Argonians outside the city.... well. seeing as there would probably be tension between former slaves of Dunmer, I would want to keep the two races separate too. Also, seeing that there was just a war where Mer slaughter Man.(Again) I wouldnt be too fond of Elves either. Just a perspective . Truthfully, I personally simp hard for high elves and dark elves.
Would like to see someone recreate the ambush where ulfric ralof & the player get captured
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He is the reason I don't side with the rebels, even though I can see their side. He doesn't deserve to be high king. I wish the game let you challenge him the way he challenged Torygg and lead the rebellion instead.
In the end of the civil war (stormcloak side) He still doesn't declare himself high king and leaves Jarl Eliseif as High Queen under the condition she doesn't try anything against him. Still leaves it for the moot to decide. I don't side with the empire because I hate people that bend their knees to the Aldmeri Dominion. I do really hate the Aldmeri Dominion (Not all Altmers agree with the Aldmeri Dominion). Another reason I side with the Stormcloaks is because a rebellion is necessary when the governing forces have become tyrannical and is no longer for freedom of the people
@@JorgeSanchez-yz9wc Bruh. He lets the moot "decide" because he wants the legitimacy of being chosen by the moot and it doesn't cost him anything to do so.
He literally just finished removing and replacing all the jarls who opposed him. The moot's "decision" is like north koreans having "elections" and getting to vote for Kim Jong Un lmao. It's just a formality.
@sheogorath1374 Not all the jarls he replaces want him as high king. They might share his vision of a free Skyrim, but not all of them believe he's high king material. So who's not to say a different Jarl might be chosen to be high king instead of Ulfric? There's lots of what-ifs and Bethesda won't say what's cannon and what's not and I get why but, it'd be nice to know
@@JorgeSanchez-yz9wc I have a hard time believing that he would put anyone who doesn't support him in charge and there is nothing in the game to indicate otherwise.
Bethesda doesn't say what's cannon because they will obviously follow the same formula of "something huge happened after the game that fucked up the region you played in and it renders all your actions meaningless".
They did it with Morrowind ( volcano eruption ) and they did it with Oblivion ( the great war).
Knowing Bethesda, Skyrim is about to get nuked by the Thalmor or something so no matter what you choose, it doesn't matter.
@sheogorath1374 I can understand why. Only Gods know how many times I've played through the Civil War, so I have put a lot of thought into both sides. Yeah true that, gotta love morrowind though. I can't wait for the Skywind and skyblivion mods to come out
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Yes and no...I feel he was being selfish, felt he knew that he could have asked Toryyg to rebel, and he would have... but he wanted to be the High King. He had the nords best interest at heart, but that was where it stopped. The only reason he will like the dragon born, regardless of race, is because honor and duty demanded it
Blood and iron.
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He's not bad per se. But I support a united Empire. And what happens when the Thalmor stops sending resources to the Stormcloaks? Will they still be able to fight the high elves by themselves?
if you look at the history of the Nords, they once fought against the elves and it didn't end very well for those elves, the same applies to the redguards. personally, I hope that the Empire would never take over the whole continent again, the world is a more interesting place in terms of storytelling potential than it is scattered. more scheming, alliances and potential conflicts and the thalmor can always be defeated with an alliance.
@JimmyRings771
absolutely.
The Aldmeri Dominion has been lucky so far, but if they think that all of Tampriel would just give up if the Empire fell, they are completely delusional.
+ Morowind and its Dunmer would hardly look away either if some new "Empire" tried to command them once again and the Argonians have the Hist trees.
= in the longer term, the Aldmeri Dominion is doomed.
@JimmyRings771
+ it's a world where the gods are real, so wouldn't one of them intervene if things got really bad. so I don't think Tampriel is doomed.
I was against Ulfric in my first playthrough because it just seemed smarter to team up against the Thalmor instead of fighting eachother. But my second time playing I decided to do the Stormcloak side of the Civil War and the speech about "I fight because I must" gave me chills. I am now a Stormcloak for the rest of my life
Ulfric's "I fight because I must" speech is really quite impressive. I've been playing Skyrim for a couple of times now and I still can't decide who's right.🤨
Proof that nacionalism destroys brain cells
It is impressive speech and great acting. It is undermined by the condition of the Dark Elves in Windhelm and the racism he encouraged.
@@trueblue6201 Well not really. Without ranting too much, Ulfric allowed these Elves into his city as refugees with no money that fled after the Red Mt. erupted. So it's basically the gray quarter is more like a homeless shelter that he's allowing them to stay in. (Also note that Dunmer are like one of, if not, the most racist species)
@@trueblue6201after playing Morrowind. I don't feel bad for the Dark Elves.
Hate ulfric, love the stormcloaks.
Ulfric is a great general, that fights well and can keep the morale of his men up. He’s also a terrible statesman, I don’t want him being high king at all; I’d rather give him a large surplus of equipment and send him directly at Skyrim’s enemies with as many men as are want to go.
If he was a good leader for civilians he would’ve used the city’s gold to provide the Dunmer and argonians separate guarded caravans out of Skyrim instead of fostering negative racial tensions in his city.
Yes war will leave everyone weak against aldmeri dominion. But better to fight back the opressors and die a man than submitting like empire does... "i fight because i must"
The empire isn't submitting it is biding its time. They very much so intend to fight back. Another great war between the Aldmeri and the Empire is basically guaranteed. It's a matter of Weakening the empire side for the Aldmeri / for Ulfric.
Basically if you research the lore you'll know the empire completely intends to fight against the Aldmeri again. Both sides are building up troops and as a matter of fact, by the time of Skyrim, the Aldmeri have lined northern Elseweyr with troops while the Empire has fortified southern Cyrodil with troops. A fight is guaranteed / on the verge of breaking soon. Ulfric causing instability in Skyrim only helps the elves.
@@farhansaber9330 Skyrim and hammerfell seems a better chance to me the empire is dying they have too many problems if you remove the dragonborn involvement with politics as his goal is defeating dragons and alduin, you got a rebellion and an assassination plot on the emperor the odds are against them and i highly think they will fail and the emperor will die and ulfric will win
@@farhansaber9330 so you what you sre saying that they intended to fight back but dont minds surrviving sone thalmor bullyibg for a few years on its people. Thats a weak country and will be taken advantage off
@@farhansaber9330 I see this point a lot, But to the Nords that have spent years and years under the thumb of a Aldmeri controlled Empire
Every day innocent Nords are KILLED by the Empire on the behalf of the Aldmeri just because they worship Talos
How many people have to be persecuted before enough is enough ?
Despite the Empire preparing, Skyrim is lightly defended by the Imperials? Maybe the Empires plan is to abandon all provinces but Cyrodil and converging all there forces in one area letting everywhere else be defeated.
The current Empire is fucked , Its weak , Its spineless and its only hope is a war with a faction that has only gotten stronger while the Empire weakens even before the events of Skyrim
Heres what the Empire would do in such a war
The Empire struggles against A single provinces rebellion
IT cant Defeat the Aldmer
The Empires best chance is for it to splinter and each region defends itself , Hammerfell is doing it and are beating the Aldmeri back
and once each regional Aldmeri force is destroyed they can converge and unite
AND before you say Ulfric is a puppet
No he is not
All there is to that point is that the Aldmeri consider his rebellion useful to them, but you have to remember the Aldmeri are cocky and always think there are right.
This shit has happened so many times in real life
Country aids a rebel - Rebel wins - Rebels turns on them- Country surprised Pikachu face.
The empire submit inorder to rebuild and regroup and now they have a dragonborn if the dragonborn kills ulfric which I don't like doing but I must when the moot meets to decide the king surely they won't vote in elisyf if they have any sense at all they'll vote in balgruuf a far stronger king who doesn't care for the thalmor and then the dragonborn with the forces of Skyrim can overthrow the mede dynasty and install the dragonborn that's my headcannon anyway
In my opinion neither im imperial but i love the nords. If he just waited longer he would've git what he wanted the empire and Skyrim would've got the chance to fight the thalmor no one in Skyrim cares besides the thalmor even tulius doesnt care about the thalmor worhsip balgruuf despite siding with the empire still lets heimskar preach about talos and worships talos the empire will be free from thr thalmor and balgruuf high king hopefully. So he isn't a hero or villain just a fool if you ask me i always carry am amulet of talos and always get his blessing im whiterun if ulfric rralised that the empire was planning to fight the thalmor again he wouldn't have to die
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He cant be viewd as anything but a hero
Sure, he can. He was an ego maniac. He also encouraged racism and bigotry against Argonians and Dark Elves.
@@trueblue6201 was he wrong tho
@@AaronRodgeerhe was wrong for encouraging it. Leads to more problems than it solves. Escort them to morrowind it’s not that far probably only a few months tops depending on lore scale.
@@AaronRodgeer Are you saying he was right to discriminate against Dark Elves and Arogians?
@@trueblue6201 The thing you need to understand with Elder Scrolls races is that as a general rule, especially if we compare them to modern sensibilities, everyone is super racist. Different races manifest it in different ways and some are more blatant about it than others, but everyone believes themselves superior in someway, and everyone else are either weak, cowardly, barbaric, idiotic, arrogant, etc, or some combination thereof.
As for Argonians specifically, most races can at least understand each other to a degree. They might not like each other, but the other can be understood to an extent because knowledge about them exists. Everyone else has a recognizable civilization, even if they still think its inferior. Take Nords and Altmer. The Altmer think Nords are barbarians, but they still have relatively complex architecture, have a vaguely feudal society, worship beings we know to be gods, and so on. They're 'primitive,' but recognizably an intelligent and more or less civilized race.
The Argonians don't really have that to help. They look like man-sized lizards, and they're exceptionally isolationist. As a result all the general populace knows about them is that they like swamps and worship trees, don't have the same non-vocal queues everyone else uses, look like animals, and they live in mud huts. Because of this theres not a whole lot there to convince people they're much better than the semi-civilized races like Goblinoids, Giants, etc. Also, it doesn't help that as of ESO the Khenaten Flu (probably butchered the spelling) came out of Black March a little back and killed a buttload of people where it hit in Southern Tamriel.
Ulfric is a hero imo. He watched his country lose it's independence, invaded by outsiders, his country's religion get outlawed but said invaders. It's Elder Scrolls Red Dawn.
Literally this: th-cam.com/video/LLrBuCRtQGs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pT9Rv8T77eoE8_W8&t=39
He is not a hero or a villain just a bit of an idiot. Sure it isn't Astrid or Delphine levels but it is pretty high up there.
He is an idiot AND a villain. Did you play the main quest?
So does Tulius who mindlessly wanted to execute the Dragonborn in the first place which is the only one who can beat Alduin
@@Sir_1nu No Tulius is one of the smartest men in the entire game. How the hell was he supposed to know we were dragonborn or Alduin had returned until after the execution gets started. The whole beginning sequence is Talius ambushing Ulfric then rushing his execution. Before the high elves can use their political influence to have Ulfric transferred to their custody so that Ulfric can "escape" their custody. Further dragging out the civil war distracting the empire. The only thing that stopped him from succeeding was an impatient man wanting to die, a bad choice from the imperial legate overseeing the execution on who was next, and the first dragon seen in over a millennia.
@@tylerpetersen6226 smartest? You kidding me? Executing people without enough evidence doesn't sound smart to me😂
@@tylerpetersen6226 and don't even say that it was the captain who wanted to execute us, that captain is under the direct command of the General and if Tulius is the kind of General who let his subordinate mindlessly execute or accuse people without strong evidence then that General is an absolute stupid buffoon