It's worth mentioning that Fan Castle meant the end of all peace between Wu and Shu. After this, Liu Bei lost focus and went after Wu when he should have pressed on against Wei. This ultimately lead to the destruction of both Shu and Wu. If this had not happened, it's possible Shu would have come out on top. Who knows?
shu march too far inside wu territory. and they lost. after that, shu march too far inside wei territory, and then lost again. the reason shu can develop so much was because they did expand progressively, not a long march as they did lose
Shu was always meant to failed, that’s the reason why they’re so aggressive in the later years. Their entire existence is built upon restoring the Han if they play the defensive in the long run their population and resources would simply got overwhelmed by the north and east
Battle of Hulao Gate- DO NOT PURSUE LU BU!!! Battle of Chibi- Liu Bei and Sun Quan give Cao Cao a nasty beating Battle of Guandu- Cao Cao squashes Yuan Shao and becomes the Man Battle of Hefei- Zhang Liao’s finest hour as he gives Sun Quan a beating Battle of Wan Castle-Stone Cold Dian Wei’s last stand Battle of Fan Castle- Guan Yu dies and Liu Bei goes bonkers Battle of Yiling- Liu Bei goes to war against his hated brother-in-law Battle of Changban- Zhao Yun becomes the most badass babysitter Battle of Xiapi- Lu Bu dies and Cao Cao scores another key employee
@TheNightowlGaming As you know, The Battle of Hulao Gate is a fictitious battle. As for The Battle of Yiling, Gan Ning actually died of Natual Causes, before the battle started. Same goes to Huang Zhong.
I enjoyed the skirmish from the old games called "Guan Yu's Escape", when he has found Liu Bei but is fighting for Cao Cao. You'd control the God of War and protect the carriage while clearing 5 consecutive gates against 5 of the great Wei generals.
Facts bro!!! Fan Castle(and Yi Ling) basically were the fall of all major characters, from all three kingdoms…Cao Cao, Xiahou Dun, Lu Meng, Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Yu Jin, Pang De, Cao Ren, Gan Ning, Liu Bei, Ma Chao, Huang Zhong, Guan Ping, etc…. And Chi Bi was just 🔥 pun intended
Sorry, a year late, but ... yeah. Fan Castle is just the start. God Guan Yu died, true, but before and during the Battle of Yi Ling, so many heroes of that era perished, esp for Shu kingdom. Even people like historically famous Huang Quan and Meng Da defected, while the famous vanguards like the Zhang Nan-s are generals who help built the province up are outright killed in battle. Didnt help that my real life idol Cow Cow and his likely real life brother Xiahou Dun passed away right before too. By the way, think Ma Chao didnt participate in this one. He was the big name stationed at Hanzhong's Mengjia Gate to keep enemies in check.
DW8 boasted my favorite interpretation of the Stone Sentinel Maze. Felt like a real break from normal gameplay. The most impressive to me was Fan Castle. Four different versions of that battle, and all of them might be top 10.
I love that DW8 felt like it took most of the best stuff from DW4 and remastered it. It's my Dark Horse Third Favorite. 4 will always be my favorite, followed by 5.
1-Hulao Gate: Everybody is there! And of course do not pursue Lu Bu. Still in every game it is hype point. 2-Battle of He Fei: Most nostalgic in DW3, it is final stage for some characters , first time beating enemy horde was challenging. This stage still good in later games. 3-Battle of Xia Pi: Lu Bu's demise, rare Wei-Shu alliance and challenging as well. My favorite versions are DW4 and DW7, it is decent in other games too especially in DW8. 4-Fall of Shu: That's a tricky choice, I'm implying three different stages , In DW4 the last battle against Shu after Wu Zhang Plains, in DW7 Jin's conquest of Shu and in DW8 Wei's hypothetical final 5-Battle of Chi Bi: Oh, nostalgia. I don't know the lore back than in DW2, I got fairly good start but out of knowhere a fire attack happened it turned out freaking nightmare and in some point Shu army attacks as well. It was really challenging. In DW3 it was annoyingly difficult, in DW4 good challenge than it followed historical path but DW8 hypothetical version is really interesting. 6:Battle of Fan Castle: Got really more importance later, kinda became ending for many Wei characters. Best versions are DW5, DW7 (beatiful ending) and DW8 7-Battle of Guandu: Another DW2 nostalgia. This time started disadvantage, again I knew nothing about lore, my base nearly fall, I desperately tried other path and suddenly I find secret supply base, massive morale boost. Guandu is always an enjoyable stage. 8-Yellow Turban Rebellion: Iconic beginning of the series. Again everybody is there. Why some games cut it from specific kingdoms is not understandable. Best version is DW4 , three different stage explores it so good. 9-Battle of Tong Gate: One of the unique battles, in DW4 you can make Han Sui defect. In DW7 and DW8 it is good stage as well. 10-Battle of Xia Kou: My favorite DW5 stage. Gan Ning's sudden apperence and him killing Ling Tong's father is hilarious. Gan Ning is a nightmare in this stage. DW4 version is not bad either, I don't remember if it remain in DW7 and DW8. Honorable mentions: Dong Zhou lives (DW4), Guan Yu's escape (DW3), Eliminate Zhang Jiao (DW4), Lu Bu's Revenge (DW 4), Lu Bu's Revolt (DW4). DW4 has best hypothetical stages.
What a great list and I enjoyed reading through it, Idk why YT didnt notify me of this one, but some very interesting takes, nice to see that there are plenty of DW fans out there 😁🔥
@@TheNightowlGaming Growing up with arcade beat em ups, DW2 blew my mind when it first came, I'm a fan of Warriors games since then. Keep it up, your videos are really good.
Fan Castle and Chi Bi are so important Fan Castle: It's so miserable and desperate fight, Wei and Wu are trying so hard to kill Guan Yu going full force and Guan Yu trying so hard to make his last stand alongside with his children trying to flooding the castle with that heavy rain that makes the battle even more tense Chi Bi: Wu and Shu trying to hold everything to make their plan goes right (and really goes), and after that Cao Cao is having nightmares about how pathetic was his defeat and his lost fleet
Hulao gate is classic to me in the game but the northern campaigns are so nostalgic to me for the book. Yiling is one of my favorites also due to the historical significance
Fan castle definitely number 1 for me. It was definitely a dramatic shift. And a impressive feat to defeat Guan Yu. Chibi is fun, Cao Caos only battle loss (other than the trap that got Dian Wei killed) . And I like the battle of Guan Du. I like that Zhao Yun could've potentially fought Guan Yu if it weren't for officer placements
@@DynastyZwarrior90 this is old but there’s plenty. Battle of the Han River and the battle of Wancheng are the two you’re thinking of but also the battle of Ruxu. You could also throw in battles like Jiangling that occurred after the battle of Chibi in Jing province. Also this is just battles he was personally commanding. Keep in mind at Chibi he had a 220k-50k advantage, and at Ruxu 400k-80k so it’s not like he was infallible. I think Lu Xun might be an even better battle commander because you have to remember Cao Cao’s true genius was being the whole package because real life isn’t dynasty warriors and at that time being a master of court politics was much more important that being a battlefield commander as emperors didn’t command men in the field anyway.
Fan Castle was a tremendous shift, yes. I don't think that Guan Yu's loss alone was as dramatic as everybody makes it out to be, but the fallout of his death certainly was. Guan Yu's troops being defeated and routed, meant Shu lost controll of a central province and a strong foothold. Shu's large scale attack on Wu would harm both their relations as well as both their armies, giving Wei a significant edge it was lacking when they were facing 2 kingdoms, rather than one. Liu Bei not being able to contain his emotions was what spelled the downfall for Shu and with it, the end of the 3 Kingdoms Era.
@@TheNightowlGaming after Guan Yu, Zhang Fei and Liu Bei followed shortly, I believe some of Zhang Fei's and Guan Yu's children were killed too... I don't remember other famous officers falling in their wake too (at least not on the side of shu) , but either way, some of the Shu Kingdom's corner stones were just taken away. Naturally it collapsed first of the 3.
Fan Castle was the most dramatic battle with Guan Yu almost single handedly beating Wei forces to the brink of total collapse. Guan Yu killed Pang De, captured Yu Jin, and almost had Cao Ren captured, too. And then Wu's betrayal quickly turned the tide of the war. Had Wu stayed out of this battle, Shu would have a decent chance to unify China.
In a story structure sense, Fan Castle is when peoples Plot Armor ends. Guan Yu's death is the first of the core cast to go, and like an avalanche, his is the first stone to move. It's the end of a status quo of the three kingdoms being mostly even, with any of them potentially coming out on top. In other words, if one wanted filler, they'd have to set it prior to Fan Castle, because once that battle happens too much is going to happen too quickly.
While not as important , The Nanman Campaign has always been the one I most look forward to. I loved it since 3 (even if it was horribly overused between Shu and Wu). It's very tactical with having you capture Meng Huo all those times, has unique generals and mounts (usually), hiddens paths, tigers, great music, and on top of all that usually has a kinda' funny/goofy feel to it without the weight of most other battles.
True, I can see the argument for it, I found the Nanman campaigns to be tedious, just imo though, definitely an iconic stage though because of how different it is from every other stage
Agreed I think it was the first stage in which the terrain was changed 180 The terrain, the roster, all that special unit like tiger, all special area like acid pool, the map in some area can't be navigated, The battle where Meng Huo need to be defeated multiple time (doesn't help my English was so shit at that time I thought he was Mystic and reviving every time he defeated). Truly the moment where brute forcing doesn't do any good.
Ok need to comment....first and foremost, in my opinion you are one of the best when it comes to the Dynasty Warriors games as far as how you break things down and the logic you use.
My number 1 would be he fei castle (especially in dw5), the idea of opening gate after gate and finally making my way to Cao pi was so much fun, and the castle just looked soooo badass!!
personally i would feel the honourable mention would go to the Nanman Campaign. never could forget the sheer horror of seeing elephants charging towards you the very first time in DW 3!
Jei ting was a good fight after fan castle like Wei yan, jiang Wei and zhao yun and Zhang Liang were still alive in this time. In wei there was xu zhu and sima yi and wu Zhang plains all the playable Wei characters are dead in the actual story line except sima yi and a bunch of generals that aren’t really prominent so honestly wu Zhang he plains was fun because the challenge but also depressing. Jei ting was the last battle we’re at least a good amount of the roster was alive
I knew it would be chi bi it's one of the most iconic fights through my playthrough of dynasty warriors, it's one where omg I have to do this fight but not in a bad way. I still have that fight ingraved into my mind. I deffo remember getting like two shorted by lu bu so many times and god this is normal what is it like on hard I still to this day fear facing him
Nostalgic Vibes... My first Dynasty Warriors that I was playing during my childhood days was DW4, a purely Masterpiece DW game in my opinion. My favourite Dynasty Warriors games of the Entire Franchise will always be 3, 4, 5 and 6 on PS2. 🤷🏻♂️✌️
Not a big thing but just so you know the 3 kingdoms period doesn’t officially begin at the very least until Cao Pi forces the emperor’s abdication in 220 so the Battle of Fan Castle is technically not even a part of the three kingdoms period. Wei doesn’t conquer Shu till 264 and Jin doesn’t conquer Wu till 280 so the 184-220 is only about a 1/3rd of the way. It’s just that the book ROTK focuses heavily on the fall of the Han to set up the three kingdoms period. Remember this is a modern retelling of a 14th century retelling of the 2nd and 3rd centuries so we could be completely wrong about Guan Yu or Lu Bu.
I kinda figured Chi Bi and Fan Castle would be in the top 2. Chi Bi was the biggest defeat Wei ever faced, it laid the foundation the Shu/Wu alliance, and is the only time, outside of hypothetical routes, that we see a Naval battle in the game. Fan Castle, as you said, was the beginning of the end for the era of the Three Kingdoms. Guan Yu fell, then Zhang Fei, then Liu Bei, then Zhuge Liang, then Shu became a mere shadow of what it used to be. While I don't think Shu could ever have become the sole kingdom of the land like Jin would, I do think they could have split the land in two with Wu had they not focused on revenge. Btw, I know it's speculated that Zhang Fei's men were secretly Wu troops but is it ever proven? As far as I can tell Zhang Fei got angry drunk and was betrayed by his men for being an asshole towards them
Agree with the choices, but would have a different order 1 Chibi 2 Hulao Gate 3 Fan Castle 4 Yellow Turban Rebellion 5 Wuzhang 6 Hefei 7 Yiling 8 Xiapi 9 Guandu 10 Changban Noteworthy that all 8 of the stages from DW2 are part of the list, with the other two being introduced in DW3 and DW4.
Huh... none of the Jin battles (other than Wu Zhang Plains, which we still think they're Wei) made it in, not exactly a good look for the closing stages of the Three Kingdoms. ^^;
I understand the need to not being able to spare good men but, to go and leave your brother all alone there.. That's just sad and unwise.. Zhao and Huang were beyond capable of solidifying the north. Zhang barely faired there and I feel like he would have been better suited with Guan in the middle. Awesome job on this video!!!
thank u! cant help but agree, but I think with both them there, they would've both still died given both their reputation and dissent of men growing bigger, it would have been an epic end though
@TheNightowlGaming I feel like Zhang was always cautious about anyone who wasn't either Liu Bei or Guan Yu. That's the only reason why I feel like it would work, or at least not lose his cities so quickly. Zhang wouldn't have needed to leave the cities to join in Fan castle. You're very welcome!
@@patrickhazelwood8318 ahh true so while Yu goes on the offense Fei's on defense, I could see that and then Mi Fang and Fushi probably dont rebel making it harder to push thru
@TheNightowlGaming Exactly. Not to mention he'd also be away from his original assassins. So it's like 3 or 4 sons, plus the two brothers, looking over the middle district. A lot more fortified imo.
Sorry, one year late ... Historically HuLao Gate isnt that biggy. But in the game ... DAMN~! Think on Hard mode, I had beaten Lu Bu just twice, max. That's as close as it gets to fighting a god in DW. And the cutscenes ... DAMN~! ChangBan bridge maybe isnt so important historically, but you actually made a good point. Historically, Zhao Yun did save baby Liu and Zhang Fei did stop the Cow army at the bridge. Yes, real life event. Wow. Else, have commented elsewhere. Dont mind if I just cut and paste my words there to here - "Fan Castle is just the start. God Guan Yu died, true, but before and during the Battle of Yi Ling, so many heroes of that era perished, esp for Shu kingdom. Even people like historically famous Huang Quan and Meng Da defected, while the famous vanguards like the Zhang Nan-s are generals who help built the province up are outright killed in battle. Didnt help that my real life idol Cow Cow and his likely real life brother Xiahou Dun passed away right before too." Hence, will put Yi Ling much nearer to the top of the list. Else, the battles on the list are all important. Nitpicking on Yellow Turban perhaps - it's the time when Cao Cao is just an official, Liu Bei just infantry, bro Guan Yu an archer (even during Hu Lao). Highest ranking is Sun Jian, just a general under Yuan Shu. And it happened all across China. But ingame? A fun battle, ha. Someone mentioned Tong Gate too. Damn straight. It's where Cao Cao truly swallowed the northwest. The reports kept coming that more and more reinforcements are arriving, totaling at least 100,000. Everyone was like, oh shit oh shit, but the more Cao Cao heard, the more he smiled. Think he LOL-ed at the very end of the reports. Someone asked, my lord, are you ok? Cao Cao explained - look, the tribes are mobile cavalry troops. If we have to chase them one by one, it would take years. But now, they came together and saved me the trouble. We can destroy them in a single battle. Everyone reflected, and applauded Cao Cao's genius. Xu Huang showed his too. One of the key generals (did Zhang He lead the vanguard? I cant remember everything. 😅) Suggested a few tactics, the main one been flanking them across the river. Scored another great victory, nothing special about this about Xu Huang at this point, ha. Jieting was Zhuge Liang's 1st and best chance. Have mentioned elsewhere how he blew it by politically choosing Ma Su, and everyone should know what happened next. The 2nd and 3rd/4th(?) are so non-eventful that even the story struggled Wu Zhang Plains was dramatic in story, but it's just Sima Yi chilling inside forts and repelling Zhuge Liang with the usual advantages. Guan Du consolidated Cao Cao's position in the entire north. All these battles can be in any order. As long as Chibi is number one. No way around it. If Zhou Yu didnt succeed, China would be Cao Cao's. (Maybe not a bad thingy, given how terrible wars are, but ... yeah. Life goes on.)
My list is totally different but it goes 10. Wu Territory 9.Chang Ban 8.Cheng Du 7. Hei Fei 6. Hei Fei Castle 5. Guan Du 4.Fan Castle 3. Yi Ling 2.Chi Bi 1.Wu zhang plains
For me it's Hulao Gate, Yellow Turban rebellion, Yiling, Xiapi and Chengdu Hulao Gate: do not pursue Lu Bu ahh mission Yellow Turban Rebellion: The start of the fall of the Han Yiling: Liu Bei wages war on Wu after learning of Guan Yu and Zhang Fei dead Xiapi: Lu Bu and Chen Gong get executed, Zhang Liao serves Wei Chengdu: the final battle between Wei (under Sima Zhao) and Shu before Liu Shan surrenders his kingdom
Hulao Gate and Fan Castle for me are the 👌🏻 Facing Lu Bu and Guan Yu, what can be better battle?😂 The battle of Guan Du also was good in DW6, in chaos difficulty was..🤬🤣 the fucking Wen Chou, Yuan Tan and Yan Liang...
My favorite battle in the series is honestly either Hu Lao Gate OR the battle of Chang Ban Fan castle is close in 3rd place for me though. Unfortunately DW9 rendition of chibi is just awful... no linked ships to run across even the "FIRE ATTACK" didnt set th3 ships on fire 🙄🙄
I would be remiss if I didn't point out a few things.... 1, Chang Ban was VITAL and you even made the argument that it should have been higher. You correctly stated without that battle outcome the way it was, there was no 3 kingdoms period. Correct. Cao wanted to kill Bei. Had he of captured him, Liu Bei would have been killed. 2, it wasn't the yellow scarves who started the rebellion. They were just the first big group to bring war. It was actually the Eunics that brought about the chaos of the land. It was them who caused the whole thing to start. The games ALWAYS left that pivotal aspect out for some reason.
Yellow Turban Rebellion (any map; magic is fun). Hu Lao Gate (class Lu Bu scenes). Wuzhang Plains (Sima Yi vs Zhuge Liang). Guan Du (very enjoyable to see Yuan Shao's forces rather than the typical Wei, Wu, Shu). Chibi (lots of boats and fire). Fan Castle (lots of water and some betrayals). and I think Hefei (where Zhang Liao is a badass) I like the Battle of Xiapi in DW8 XL. The Battle of Changban is pretty boring. The Yi Ling maps in the later games are not really memorable for me.
You should do a video about the top 10 costumes for a character of different games… for example zhao yun #6 costume is like clearly the best, zhao yu #3 is would be in the top 10 ect
It's worth mentioning that Fan Castle meant the end of all peace between Wu and Shu. After this, Liu Bei lost focus and went after Wu when he should have pressed on against Wei. This ultimately lead to the destruction of both Shu and Wu. If this had not happened, it's possible Shu would have come out on top. Who knows?
Yeah who knows indeed, it's interesting to think about
shu march too far inside wu territory. and they lost.
after that, shu march too far inside wei territory, and then lost again.
the reason shu can develop so much was because they did expand progressively, not a long march as they did lose
Shu was always meant to failed, that’s the reason why they’re so aggressive in the later years. Their entire existence is built upon restoring the Han if they play the defensive in the long run their population and resources would simply got overwhelmed by the north and east
Battle of Hulao Gate- DO NOT PURSUE LU BU!!!
Battle of Chibi- Liu Bei and Sun Quan give Cao Cao a nasty beating
Battle of Guandu- Cao Cao squashes Yuan Shao and becomes the Man
Battle of Hefei- Zhang Liao’s finest hour as he gives Sun Quan a beating
Battle of Wan Castle-Stone Cold Dian Wei’s last stand
Battle of Fan Castle- Guan Yu dies and Liu Bei goes bonkers
Battle of Yiling- Liu Bei goes to war against his hated brother-in-law
Battle of Changban- Zhao Yun becomes the most badass babysitter
Battle of Xiapi- Lu Bu dies and Cao Cao scores another key employee
Just saw this! But yes! 10x yes! haha 🔥
@TheNightowlGaming As you know, The Battle of Hulao Gate is a fictitious battle. As for The Battle of Yiling, Gan Ning actually died of Natual Causes, before the battle started. Same goes to Huang Zhong.
I enjoyed the skirmish from the old games called "Guan Yu's Escape", when he has found Liu Bei but is fighting for Cao Cao. You'd control the God of War and protect the carriage while clearing 5 consecutive gates against 5 of the great Wei generals.
Yeah that was a great stage I always liked seeing the interaction between him and xiahou dun
"GUAN YU! Why are you acting this way?"
This was a great stage forgot about this until your comment.
It was a Campaign Level as well, not just a Skirmish, in Dynasty Warriors 4 and 5
Facts bro!!!
Fan Castle(and Yi Ling) basically were the fall of all major characters, from all three kingdoms…Cao Cao, Xiahou Dun, Lu Meng, Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Yu Jin, Pang De, Cao Ren, Gan Ning, Liu Bei, Ma Chao, Huang Zhong, Guan Ping, etc…. And Chi Bi was just 🔥 pun intended
😂😂 the pun is amazing and yeah gglad to see people agree, fan castle was the end of an era !
Sorry, a year late, but ... yeah. Fan Castle is just the start. God Guan Yu died, true, but before and during the Battle of Yi Ling, so many heroes of that era perished, esp for Shu kingdom.
Even people like historically famous Huang Quan and Meng Da defected, while the famous vanguards like the Zhang Nan-s are generals who help built the province up are outright killed in battle. Didnt help that my real life idol Cow Cow and his likely real life brother Xiahou Dun passed away right before too.
By the way, think Ma Chao didnt participate in this one. He was the big name stationed at Hanzhong's Mengjia Gate to keep enemies in check.
I don't think anyone could argue with that top 3 including the order of it, great video keep it up
Appreciate it very much!
In terms of stage design, DW 8 did a great job with the map building. Hu Lao Gate was the best for me.
100% I like Wuzhang plains map the best
DW8 boasted my favorite interpretation of the Stone Sentinel Maze. Felt like a real break from normal gameplay.
The most impressive to me was Fan Castle. Four different versions of that battle, and all of them might be top 10.
I love that DW8 felt like it took most of the best stuff from DW4 and remastered it. It's my Dark Horse Third Favorite. 4 will always be my favorite, followed by 5.
1-Hulao Gate: Everybody is there! And of course do not pursue Lu Bu. Still in every game it is hype point.
2-Battle of He Fei: Most nostalgic in DW3, it is final stage for some characters , first time beating enemy horde was challenging. This stage still good in later games.
3-Battle of Xia Pi: Lu Bu's demise, rare Wei-Shu alliance and challenging as well. My favorite versions are DW4 and DW7, it is decent in other games too especially in DW8.
4-Fall of Shu: That's a tricky choice, I'm implying three different stages , In DW4 the last battle against Shu after Wu Zhang Plains, in DW7 Jin's conquest of Shu and in DW8 Wei's hypothetical final
5-Battle of Chi Bi: Oh, nostalgia. I don't know the lore back than in DW2, I got fairly good start but out of knowhere a fire attack happened it turned out freaking nightmare and in some point Shu army attacks as well. It was really challenging. In DW3 it was annoyingly difficult, in DW4 good challenge than it followed historical path but DW8 hypothetical version is really interesting.
6:Battle of Fan Castle: Got really more importance later, kinda became ending for many Wei characters. Best versions are DW5, DW7 (beatiful ending) and DW8
7-Battle of Guandu: Another DW2 nostalgia. This time started disadvantage, again I knew nothing about lore, my base nearly fall, I desperately tried other path and suddenly I find secret supply base, massive morale boost. Guandu is always an enjoyable stage.
8-Yellow Turban Rebellion: Iconic beginning of the series. Again everybody is there. Why some games cut it from specific kingdoms is not understandable. Best version is DW4 , three different stage explores it so good.
9-Battle of Tong Gate: One of the unique battles, in DW4 you can make Han Sui defect. In DW7 and DW8 it is good stage as well.
10-Battle of Xia Kou: My favorite DW5 stage. Gan Ning's sudden apperence and him killing Ling Tong's father is hilarious. Gan Ning is a nightmare in this stage. DW4 version is not bad either, I don't remember if it remain in DW7 and DW8.
Honorable mentions: Dong Zhou lives (DW4), Guan Yu's escape (DW3), Eliminate Zhang Jiao (DW4), Lu Bu's Revenge (DW 4), Lu Bu's Revolt (DW4). DW4 has best hypothetical stages.
What a great list and I enjoyed reading through it, Idk why YT didnt notify me of this one, but some very interesting takes, nice to see that there are plenty of DW fans out there 😁🔥
@@TheNightowlGaming Growing up with arcade beat em ups, DW2 blew my mind when it first came, I'm a fan of Warriors games since then. Keep it up, your videos are really good.
Fan Castle and Chi Bi are so important
Fan Castle: It's so miserable and desperate fight, Wei and Wu are trying so hard to kill Guan Yu going full force and Guan Yu trying so hard to make his last stand alongside with his children trying to flooding the castle with that heavy rain that makes the battle even more tense
Chi Bi: Wu and Shu trying to hold everything to make their plan goes right (and really goes), and after that Cao Cao is having nightmares about how pathetic was his defeat and his lost fleet
Yes two big pivotal battles, the games do them well
Hulao gate is classic to me in the game but the northern campaigns are so nostalgic to me for the book. Yiling is one of my favorites also due to the historical significance
WOw yiling! its cool to see everyones different perspectives on this 🔥🔥
Fan castle definitely number 1 for me. It was definitely a dramatic shift. And a impressive feat to defeat Guan Yu. Chibi is fun, Cao Caos only battle loss (other than the trap that got Dian Wei killed) . And I like the battle of Guan Du. I like that Zhao Yun could've potentially fought Guan Yu if it weren't for officer placements
Nice thats cool to see everyones different favorites 🔥🔥
Battle of guan du was great in dw5
He lost at Hanzhong as well (even though it was later). He also lost a few early battles against Dong Zhuo/Lu Bu I think.
@@DynastyZwarrior90 this is old but there’s plenty. Battle of the Han River and the battle of Wancheng are the two you’re thinking of but also the battle of Ruxu. You could also throw in battles like Jiangling that occurred after the battle of Chibi in Jing province. Also this is just battles he was personally commanding. Keep in mind at Chibi he had a 220k-50k advantage, and at Ruxu 400k-80k so it’s not like he was infallible. I think Lu Xun might be an even better battle commander because you have to remember Cao Cao’s true genius was being the whole package because real life isn’t dynasty warriors and at that time being a master of court politics was much more important that being a battlefield commander as emperors didn’t command men in the field anyway.
I always enjoyed Xia Pi, Lu Bu's last stand, also generally the first mission you do with your created officer in DW4, very nostalgic
Respectable, Xiapi allways been an interesting battle
I like the dw8 version of that battle !
Especially when the music changes after awhile because of the flood Attack
Fan Castle was a tremendous shift, yes. I don't think that Guan Yu's loss alone was as dramatic as everybody makes it out to be, but the fallout of his death certainly was.
Guan Yu's troops being defeated and routed, meant Shu lost controll of a central province and a strong foothold.
Shu's large scale attack on Wu would harm both their relations as well as both their armies, giving Wei a significant edge it was lacking when they were facing 2 kingdoms, rather than one.
Liu Bei not being able to contain his emotions was what spelled the downfall for Shu and with it, the end of the 3 Kingdoms Era.
Not only that but the death of so many important people after Guan Yu, it was just a crazy time
@@TheNightowlGaming after Guan Yu, Zhang Fei and Liu Bei followed shortly, I believe some of Zhang Fei's and Guan Yu's children were killed too... I don't remember other famous officers falling in their wake too (at least not on the side of shu) , but either way, some of the Shu Kingdom's corner stones were just taken away. Naturally it collapsed first of the 3.
@@torbenfranke1859 And Cao Cao died shortly after too along with XIahou Dun, two big deaths in the three kingdoms world
Fan Castle was the most dramatic battle with Guan Yu almost single handedly beating Wei forces to the brink of total collapse. Guan Yu killed Pang De, captured Yu Jin, and almost had Cao Ren captured, too. And then Wu's betrayal quickly turned the tide of the war. Had Wu stayed out of this battle, Shu would have a decent chance to unify China.
In a story structure sense, Fan Castle is when peoples Plot Armor ends. Guan Yu's death is the first of the core cast to go, and like an avalanche, his is the first stone to move. It's the end of a status quo of the three kingdoms being mostly even, with any of them potentially coming out on top. In other words, if one wanted filler, they'd have to set it prior to Fan Castle, because once that battle happens too much is going to happen too quickly.
While not as important , The Nanman Campaign has always been the one I most look forward to. I loved it since 3 (even if it was horribly overused between Shu and Wu). It's very tactical with having you capture Meng Huo all those times, has unique generals and mounts (usually), hiddens paths, tigers, great music, and on top of all that usually has a kinda' funny/goofy feel to it without the weight of most other battles.
True, I can see the argument for it, I found the Nanman campaigns to be tedious, just imo though, definitely an iconic stage though because of how different it is from every other stage
Agreed
I think it was the first stage in which the terrain was changed 180
The terrain, the roster, all that special unit like tiger, all special area like acid pool, the map in some area can't be navigated, The battle where Meng Huo need to be defeated multiple time (doesn't help my English was so shit at that time I thought he was Mystic and reviving every time he defeated).
Truly the moment where brute forcing doesn't do any good.
Totally agree about the Hulao gate mission.
Hu Lao OP
After 7 games, Battle of Xiapi finally gets its specific battle theme, especially during DW8 XL
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Ok need to comment....first and foremost, in my opinion you are one of the best when it comes to the Dynasty Warriors games as far as how you break things down and the logic you use.
Ayee I appreciate that very much!
My number 1 would be he fei castle (especially in dw5), the idea of opening gate after gate and finally making my way to Cao pi was so much fun, and the castle just looked soooo badass!!
He fei castle was always an uber big map to play, so fun!!
personally i would feel the honourable mention would go to the Nanman Campaign. never could forget the sheer horror of seeing elephants charging towards you the very first time in DW 3!
def a good one!
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Jei ting was a good fight after fan castle like Wei yan, jiang Wei and zhao yun and Zhang Liang were still alive in this time. In wei there was xu zhu and sima yi and wu Zhang plains all the playable Wei characters are dead in the actual story line except sima yi and a bunch of generals that aren’t really prominent so honestly wu Zhang he plains was fun because the challenge but also depressing. Jei ting was the last battle we’re at least a good amount of the roster was alive
Yeah Jie Ting was a good battle and a good moment within the game where Zhang He really shows his prominence 🤙🤙
I think you hit it on the mark when it comes to historical significance with these battles.
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Nostalgia @1000%
Haha nice hope you enjoyed the video!
I knew it would be chi bi it's one of the most iconic fights through my playthrough of dynasty warriors, it's one where omg I have to do this fight but not in a bad way. I still have that fight ingraved into my mind. I deffo remember getting like two shorted by lu bu so many times and god this is normal what is it like on hard I still to this day fear facing him
Haha 100% Lu Bu always had that factor (until DW9) 😁😁
I i always liked Wu Zhang Plains personally. A nice big battle full of fun to be had. He Fei Castle was fun.
Great battles
Nostalgic Vibes... My first Dynasty Warriors that I was playing during my childhood days was DW4, a purely Masterpiece DW game in my opinion. My favourite Dynasty Warriors games of the Entire Franchise will always be 3, 4, 5 and 6 on PS2. 🤷🏻♂️✌️
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My favorite battle is fan castle
Battle of chilbi is very icon
Ayeeee agree
Chi bi is my favourite track out of all the wu sound tracks
Nice!
Dynasty Warriors 8 has Zhao Yun going along with Liu Bei
4:09 Yuan Shao seems to be back to his original design or something close to it
Yea Yuan Shao seems to be going back to his roots, his voice doing the same would be nice too
Fan Castle is a linchpin in the story. It sets off the entire back half of the story. Great pick for number 2
Such a meaningful one
Not a big thing but just so you know the 3 kingdoms period doesn’t officially begin at the very least until Cao Pi forces the emperor’s abdication in 220 so the Battle of Fan Castle is technically not even a part of the three kingdoms period. Wei doesn’t conquer Shu till 264 and Jin doesn’t conquer Wu till 280 so the 184-220 is only about a 1/3rd of the way. It’s just that the book ROTK focuses heavily on the fall of the Han to set up the three kingdoms period. Remember this is a modern retelling of a 14th century retelling of the 2nd and 3rd centuries so we could be completely wrong about Guan Yu or Lu Bu.
of course! Hope you enjoyed the vid!
Yes chibi is no 1. It is a very iconic battle as we fight on fleet armada clever tactics between zhuge-zhou yu, also the COOL OST
Definitelly!
I completely forgot that the English dub called him "Cow Cow" 😂
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I kinda figured Chi Bi and Fan Castle would be in the top 2. Chi Bi was the biggest defeat Wei ever faced, it laid the foundation the Shu/Wu alliance, and is the only time, outside of hypothetical routes, that we see a Naval battle in the game. Fan Castle, as you said, was the beginning of the end for the era of the Three Kingdoms. Guan Yu fell, then Zhang Fei, then Liu Bei, then Zhuge Liang, then Shu became a mere shadow of what it used to be. While I don't think Shu could ever have become the sole kingdom of the land like Jin would, I do think they could have split the land in two with Wu had they not focused on revenge. Btw, I know it's speculated that Zhang Fei's men were secretly Wu troops but is it ever proven? As far as I can tell Zhang Fei got angry drunk and was betrayed by his men for being an asshole towards them
i dont know about proven, but fleeing to Wu mightve been a decision made out of panic since thye wouldve been killed if they stayed
Agree with the choices, but would have a different order
1 Chibi
2 Hulao Gate
3 Fan Castle
4 Yellow Turban Rebellion
5 Wuzhang
6 Hefei
7 Yiling
8 Xiapi
9 Guandu
10 Changban
Noteworthy that all 8 of the stages from DW2 are part of the list, with the other two being introduced in DW3 and DW4.
Absolutely, some crucial fun battles
Huh... none of the Jin battles (other than Wu Zhang Plains, which we still think they're Wei) made it in, not exactly a good look for the closing stages of the Three Kingdoms. ^^;
Yeah they werent really that impactful, in a way, the way the games displayed these top 10 were always massive
personally I like Chi Bi, but really that's only because I watched Red Cliff and that was a fantastic movie
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I understand the need to not being able to spare good men but, to go and leave your brother all alone there.. That's just sad and unwise.. Zhao and Huang were beyond capable of solidifying the north. Zhang barely faired there and I feel like he would have been better suited with Guan in the middle.
Awesome job on this video!!!
thank u! cant help but agree, but I think with both them there, they would've both still died given both their reputation and dissent of men growing bigger, it would have been an epic end though
@TheNightowlGaming I feel like Zhang was always cautious about anyone who wasn't either Liu Bei or Guan Yu. That's the only reason why I feel like it would work, or at least not lose his cities so quickly. Zhang wouldn't have needed to leave the cities to join in Fan castle.
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@@patrickhazelwood8318 ahh true so while Yu goes on the offense Fei's on defense, I could see that and then Mi Fang and Fushi probably dont rebel making it harder to push thru
@TheNightowlGaming Exactly. Not to mention he'd also be away from his original assassins. So it's like 3 or 4 sons, plus the two brothers, looking over the middle district. A lot more fortified imo.
Sorry, one year late ... Historically HuLao Gate isnt that biggy. But in the game ... DAMN~! Think on Hard mode, I had beaten Lu Bu just twice, max. That's as close as it gets to fighting a god in DW. And the cutscenes ... DAMN~! ChangBan bridge maybe isnt so important historically, but you actually made a good point. Historically, Zhao Yun did save baby Liu and Zhang Fei did stop the Cow army at the bridge. Yes, real life event. Wow.
Else, have commented elsewhere. Dont mind if I just cut and paste my words there to here - "Fan Castle is just the start. God Guan Yu died, true, but before and during the Battle of Yi Ling, so many heroes of that era perished, esp for Shu kingdom.
Even people like historically famous Huang Quan and Meng Da defected, while the famous vanguards like the Zhang Nan-s are generals who help built the province up are outright killed in battle. Didnt help that my real life idol Cow Cow and his likely real life brother Xiahou Dun passed away right before too."
Hence, will put Yi Ling much nearer to the top of the list. Else, the battles on the list are all important. Nitpicking on Yellow Turban perhaps - it's the time when Cao Cao is just an official, Liu Bei just infantry, bro Guan Yu an archer (even during Hu Lao). Highest ranking is Sun Jian, just a general under Yuan Shu. And it happened all across China. But ingame? A fun battle, ha.
Someone mentioned Tong Gate too. Damn straight. It's where Cao Cao truly swallowed the northwest. The reports kept coming that more and more reinforcements are arriving, totaling at least 100,000. Everyone was like, oh shit oh shit, but the more Cao Cao heard, the more he smiled. Think he LOL-ed at the very end of the reports. Someone asked, my lord, are you ok? Cao Cao explained - look, the tribes are mobile cavalry troops. If we have to chase them one by one, it would take years. But now, they came together and saved me the trouble. We can destroy them in a single battle. Everyone reflected, and applauded Cao Cao's genius.
Xu Huang showed his too. One of the key generals (did Zhang He lead the vanguard? I cant remember everything. 😅) Suggested a few tactics, the main one been flanking them across the river. Scored another great victory, nothing special about this about Xu Huang at this point, ha.
Jieting was Zhuge Liang's 1st and best chance. Have mentioned elsewhere how he blew it by politically choosing Ma Su, and everyone should know what happened next. The 2nd and 3rd/4th(?) are so non-eventful that even the story struggled Wu Zhang Plains was dramatic in story, but it's just Sima Yi chilling inside forts and repelling Zhuge Liang with the usual advantages. Guan Du consolidated Cao Cao's position in the entire north. All these battles can be in any order. As long as Chibi is number one. No way around it. If Zhou Yu didnt succeed, China would be Cao Cao's. (Maybe not a bad thingy, given how terrible wars are, but ... yeah. Life goes on.)
Never too late my friend, I enjoyed reading thru it, love the game and everything about it, so fun!
Zhao Yun: My Lord, I saved your child...
Liu Bei: *Yeets said child onto the ground to hug Zhao Yun*
Me: BRUH!!!
My list is totally different but it goes
10. Wu Territory
9.Chang Ban
8.Cheng Du
7. Hei Fei
6. Hei Fei Castle
5. Guan Du
4.Fan Castle
3. Yi Ling
2.Chi Bi
1.Wu zhang plains
For me it's Hulao Gate, Yellow Turban rebellion, Yiling, Xiapi and Chengdu
Hulao Gate: do not pursue Lu Bu ahh mission
Yellow Turban Rebellion: The start of the fall of the Han
Yiling: Liu Bei wages war on Wu after learning of Guan Yu and Zhang Fei dead
Xiapi: Lu Bu and Chen Gong get executed, Zhang Liao serves Wei
Chengdu: the final battle between Wei (under Sima Zhao) and Shu before Liu Shan surrenders his kingdom
Great ones for sure
Hulao Gate and Fan Castle for me are the 👌🏻 Facing Lu Bu and Guan Yu, what can be better battle?😂
The battle of Guan Du also was good in DW6, in chaos difficulty was..🤬🤣 the fucking Wen Chou, Yuan Tan and Yan Liang...
hah for sure
My favorite battle in the series is honestly either Hu Lao Gate OR the battle of Chang Ban Fan castle is close in 3rd place for me though. Unfortunately DW9 rendition of chibi is just awful... no linked ships to run across even the "FIRE ATTACK" didnt set th3 ships on fire 🙄🙄
Yeah DW9 hopefully was a learning lesson for them
I would be remiss if I didn't point out a few things....
1, Chang Ban was VITAL and you even made the argument that it should have been higher. You correctly stated without that battle outcome the way it was, there was no 3 kingdoms period. Correct. Cao wanted to kill Bei. Had he of captured him, Liu Bei would have been killed.
2, it wasn't the yellow scarves who started the rebellion. They were just the first big group to bring war. It was actually the Eunics that brought about the chaos of the land. It was them who caused the whole thing to start. The games ALWAYS left that pivotal aspect out for some reason.
ahh nice
Yellow Turban Rebellion (any map; magic is fun).
Hu Lao Gate (class Lu Bu scenes).
Wuzhang Plains (Sima Yi vs Zhuge Liang).
Guan Du (very enjoyable to see Yuan Shao's forces rather than the typical Wei, Wu, Shu).
Chibi (lots of boats and fire). Fan Castle (lots of water and some betrayals).
and I think Hefei (where Zhang Liao is a badass)
I like the Battle of Xiapi in DW8 XL.
The Battle of Changban is pretty boring. The Yi Ling maps in the later games are not really memorable for me.
nice!
It's so funny that guan yu appear at battle of yiling (dynasty warriors 3)😂
Yup lol!
He Fei Castle should've been on this list
Definitely a good battle but I think I made this one based on significance
Im so glaf i changed the dw9 VA to Chinese
Yeah.. hopefully the new game doesn't make the same mistake
@@TheNightowlGaming that's the biggest hope
You should do a video about the top 10 costumes for a character of different games… for example zhao yun #6 costume is like clearly the best, zhao yu #3 is would be in the top 10 ect
That idea is on the list!
I hated that one too european for my taste