been using these exact units in our house. We cannot run cables due to the house construction, so this is great. Speeds are very good, in fact, better than our wifi setup! But this is of course OUR situation.
i have the TP-Link AV2000 and I get 130-200Mbps out of 200Mbps over 300m passing through 2 switchboards with TV, fans, 3 ACs, Fridge, lights, etc on. It really depends on your electrical wiring. If it's good, then you can expect great powerline rates and as such throughput. Btw my powerline rate is 600-750Mbps.
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Thanks, great review! I bought these for the purpose of remote locating a 4K security camera running at 30 fps. I wanted to locate the camera 150 ft away from the house at my main outdoor panel. I am pleased to say that it works perfectly with no frame loss, consistently for almost a year now. Between the two units, there are 4 circuit breakers and a 120v leg change. I decided to test it to extremes. From that panel there is a 300ft feed to my workshop. Add 2 more breakers for a total of 6 now, with a total length of AC cable of 450ft. I was impressed to see that the unit linked green immediately and transferred the 4K, 30fps video perfectly! Granted, I did not do actual data/speed testing like you did, but my goal was simply linking to a very high resolution security camera feed. I find the 1200 exceeds my expectations in my application, and has been perfectly reliable for almost a year now. Note that there are also 2 GFI outlets between the two 1200s also.
Greetings all. I just thought I would add, it's still working great!! Also, keep in mind that the one unit is outdoors, in a water proof enclosure, experiencing harsh Rochester winters and some hot 90 degree days too. I'm very pleased. I hope it's working as well for everyone else!
@@EricLatios Hi Eric, I noticed in the beginning of deployment, they did not get hot. I just checked the one in my basement now, and it is not even as warm as any cell phone wall wart that I have, that are plugged in, Not even charging a phone. This tells me they have low power consumption while operating. It's a good question Eric, because heat generation in electronics like this is definitely related to longevity. I'm happy to report that these units are STILL operating normally, no apparent degradation of data transfer, 3 green LEDs right now. They have experienced multiple lightning induced line spikes now too. I give kudos to the Engineering team on this product. Many consumer electronic products are dead by this point, (like ones designed with low grade electrolytics). I would have to give this product 5 stars at this point.
You need a phase coupler in order to achieve (almost) the same speed at every socket, the distance alone is not that important, the outer conductor phases are more important. Your 60-70mbit reading as opposed to the 200mbit is pretty much the loss you would expect from an outlet that doesn't use the same outer conductor as the one the adapter is plugged into, in which case the only way the connection exists is electromagnetic "crosstalk" between different wires, causing about 1/5 loss. A phase coupler connects all active outer conductor wires so you get the same speed everywhere.
Thanks for a very detailed review of the power line adapters. I am looking to buy one as its great if you live in a rental property and do not want to spend money and/or make any modifications to the house to lay Ethernet cables. If you vacate the property, you simply unplug them and take them with you.
Gigabits powerlines/LAN adapters works extremely well with a 4K TVs. The speed is good enough for playing 4k videos with zero buffetings. The benefit is easy to use, not more dealing with cables, etc.
Just bought the powerline 1200 and you are spot on. These things are very slow. Running gigabit and couldn't get over 25 MBps. then it dropped to 8 not to mention random disconnects. Great video, detailed and stopped my troubleshooting in its tracks. Thanks👍
Here are some stats for you: I was getting around 30MBPS between laptop and internet via wifi. I was looking for at least equivalent speed and more stability for zoom, so I bought a similar product from d-link - see link below. It says "Experience wired speeds of up to 1000Mbps". Given that the plan I have is for 50MBPS, I wasn't expecting a full gigabit. The setup was simple and worked well. It performed better the closer I was to the router, but the speed was so disappointing (from 5 to 10MBPS) that I returned the item to the store. I was thinking of trying the netgear product, but a google search shows that the problems I had with d-link seem to be common to netgear as well. us.dlink.com/en/products/dhp-601av-powerline-av2-1000-gigabit-starter-kit
@@aljacko1 idk, i was getting 400-800Mbs directly connected, i wanted to move my computers to a different area but didnt want to run wires, i got this and now i get anywhere between 3-40mbs
Two things to consider. You need to have these adapters connected on the same power outlet circuit to work. So they may not connect on every outlet throughout your house or apartment. The other thing is they run alarming hot. I had 4 TP-Link Powerline adapters and was afraid that they would catch on fire and burn the house down. I ended up removing them and installing TP-Link extenders which run a lot cooler.
That's true only if you have new AFCI breakers in your panel that block high frequency signals. Any homes older than 10 years should perform much better and will not have problems with connections between most outlets in the house.
no they don't. Or at least every single one that I've seen use the neutral wire and more and more they're starting to use the ground wire to increase bandwidth and really only moving through sub-panels causes issues due to the amount of bridge tab, inconsistent grounding can be a big problem too.
I use this and had it for more than 2 years I think now, definitely worth it guys! I play online a lot and it's important that I have a good connection to get the drop on people and this has been far better than using wifi and better than having a cord run throughout the houses I've lived at!
So you do get faster speeds from this than wifi? My router is probably 20-30ish feed from me and im getting like 120 down and 40 up, but wired overall just prioratizes ur pc so you get lower ping even if u had the same numbers. So do you think its worth me buying these powerlines or any other ones in specific? Looking for someone who has experience with an answer/opinion
@@kojimaisgod9500 well with a 200mbps(not the fastest but it works) I stand by consistently>speed. In the room I only actually get 50 Mbps (possibly faster speeds with a faster power line adapter). Gaming on the power line vs wireless is hands on way better with the power line adapter. I've tried wireless and it randomly lags with a higher speed overall.
@@noahw5887 due to the latency. High speeds are great for downloading games to your system, but having a consistent connection with low latency would be much better for actively gaming
Thanks for the review! I'm currently at the mercy of my roommates setup and our wireless router is downstairs, my room is directly above it but I still only pull like 30-40 mbps through my wireless connection. If this can basically double that from being hard wired (which I always prefer to be) then I'm definitely going to check it out, but I'll also be aware of the return policy from wherever I purchase it, just in case. I also know they make the adapters without the extra outlet so I'll probably go with that version because I don't mind losing the outlet it would take up~ Thanks again for posting this as it's one of the few powerline adapter reviews!
This may be a bit late in relation to the time when this video is published. I am living in the UK. In general, Powerline adapters are good when you are living in a rented property where you may not be allowed to drill through a wall as this may cause the loss of your deposit and/or get into trouble with the landlord. Secondly, if the construction of the property is concrete, i.e. the presence of steelwork inside the concrete, this will severely affect the WiFi signal. (Just to be sure, always check if there is a metal ladder between your WiFi router and your computer, It has been proven that metal lattice can "absorb" and hence reducing the WiFi signal strength) Thirdly, when you are in a situation where the actual length of the cable is near or greater than 100 ft. For example, the direct distance between the router to your computer maybe 15 or 20 ft, but when laying the cable and fixing it to the bottom of the wall then up the wall behind the door frame, etc., you get my drift. Lastly, this is more of a basic condition that has to be satisfied. Make sure the "source" powerline adapter and all the "recipient" powerline adapters ARE ON THE SAME RING (this is what the electricians in the UK called a circuit). For example, in my single storey flat or apartment, all the wall sockets, except those in the kitchen, are on one ring. All the sockets in the kitchen are on another ring. All the ceiling lights are on another ring. So, my router is in the sitting room. My computer is in my bedroom, I can connect the two using a pair of powerline adapter. But if I take my laptop into my kitchen, saying trying to watch a video teaching how to cook a certain recipe since the sockets in the kitchen are on another ring, I will not be able to connect my laptop to the router via powerline adapters (let ignore the WiFi factor for illustration purpose). The practice of which sockets are on one ring differs in different countries or even different electricians in the same country because this is governed by the total load on that ring. Powerline adapters were very handy devices before the birth of WiFi. Nowadays with 4G and 5G, powerline adapters are becoming redundant. Nowadays, the manufacturers are including WiFi extension function in the adapters. It sounds good but I personally will not pay for something that I won't use. One more thing about powerline adapters. Be careful not to plug in an electric device that draws a lot of power into the same ring as the powerline adapters are on, e.g. power tool, powerful vacuum cleaner, powerful hair drier. The interference they create will degrade the network signal. The worst case would result in irreparable damage to the NIC on the powerline adapter. The most common effect would be choppy video if watching TH-cam. I had experienced the loss of network connection. I hope this information help. Edit: I forgot one important aspect of using powerline adapters, which is that they DO NOT WORK with power extension! They have to be plugged into the wall sockets directly.
consider to use the device because I have a device in upstairs which can only connect to ethernet cable. considering the signals will go from the first floor outlet to the main house power switch box and then to the second floor power outlet, the speed lost is reasonable.
Your review is exactly what I needed. The only reason I wanted to buy these was to be able to game online with my friends, since my gaming desktop computer is quite far from my router and also not the same floor (router upstairs and PC downstairs). And your video proved to my beyond any doubt that it is clearly not for me... Thank you so much!
I have been using powerlines for years, and so long as your wiring is moderately recent, then you will get a much more stable connection and lower ping than wifi. My router is downstairs, and I game on my pc upstairs. I max out at about 220mb/s and much better ping. Up to you of course, but I recommend powerline for pretty much everything except huge data transfer, then a good old trust cable just can't be beat
Thank you for your honest review of this product. Also, for mentioning other manufactures with similar products offering 1GB speeds through the households wiring loom just won't deliver anywhere near that either. It makes you wonder who regulates such claims?? Just going off at a tangent, I recently had installed a 1GB fibre router. When hard wired into it with a Cat 5 - I got what was advertised. However, using wi-fi, the best was 375mbps - even stood right on top of it. Don't get me wrong it's one heck of an improvement from what I had previously but only found out afterwards that wi-fi has limits. Maybe you could make a video explaining these limitations. Subscribed to you today. Peter.
no one, talking about these power units, mention, the fact that all wall power socket go back to a fuse box, and there are limits to how many wall power socket share one fuse, and distance is not socket to socket, but much further, socket to fuse, to mains wire,- to another fuse to socket, in top room or garage etc, but these unit are good for those who rent
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The advertised speed ratings are completely ridicules and border on fraudulent. Testing and using different outlets on both ends can optimize throughput speed and provide the best results. One big plus with the power line Ethernet adapters is the consistency of throughput speed and general reliability of the connection, much better in this respect than a wireless connection in my experience. I have an IP camera and a backup server with storage devices setup in an outbuilding located about 75 feet from the house and get consistent 150 megabit per second speeds which is adequate for my purposes. Attempts using wireless extenders proved virtually useless resulting in inconsistent speeds and dropped connections. Being located in an urban area the number of wireless routers broadcasting in close proximity represents a very harsh electromagnetic environment requiring wireless Ethernet devices to be located fairly close to the access point to be usable. Thank you for sharing your experience.
The speed ratings are for the total available bandwidth, not for what can be achieved on a point to point connection. Its a bit like advertising the backplane bandwidth of a switch. It is usefull, but its not the link speed you'll actually get. Additionally, all those modern ethernet over power setups require a properly wired and grounded circuit, and all the adapters should be on the same circuit also to achieve anywhere near the speed they are capable of in theory. You'll lose 50% of the available bandwidth, and link speed when this isn't perfect. Quality of outlets, and having other noisy devices on the circuit both matter a lot Other 'blah over powerline' setups in the same house also matter a lot
for people who can't run ethernet cables in their household. your better off looking into MoCA devices (Multimedia Over Cable Alliance). they send the signal over your coax cables in your household. and your able to get about 90% or better of your over all bandwidth send to multiple parts of your household.
@@ibanjabur471 many MoCA adapters generally have a build in coax splitter or you can add a coax splitter to the line if needed. there handy for people who rent or have older wiring in the house. however you do generally need a MoCA adapter on the coax line going to you modem and another going to the room and/or area you wish to send use the wired connection to complete the circuit. there are many tutorials on YT explaining it all in more detail.
Great review. I am curious though, what download speeds are you paying for from your internet service provider? If you're paying for 300 mbps, then getting 250 from the powerline is pretty good. If you're paying for 1.5gbps and getting 250, then that's another story.
I'm paying for 1gb. On wifi my PC gets on avg around 100 mbps dl. On ethernet I get 850gb. I just cant do the cables through my apartment. My gf would kill me lol. My PC is only 5 ft from my router though. Wondering if this is a good fix for me?
@@xNobl3x Usually routers have their own ethernet ports. If it's really that close you your pc, then a 5ft ethernet cable should be able to connect the two, without laying cable through entire flat. Otherwise, with this, you'd still need an ethernet cable connecting your pc to the nearest electric outlet.
i know this is 4 years old but 50mbps with low latency is still fine for most people even with zoom cals or other work from home things. . A benefit to these i discovered .... I have a friend that went on vacation with me but still had to do 4 hours of PC work a day on a work supplied PC that would not allow any wifi . `The airBNB router was far away from the bedroom room. First we tired a wifi to ethernet adapter but the security system in her work PC wouldn't allow communication detecting the adapter somehow. then we tried powerline ethernet adapters and it worked great.
I just subscribed to FIOS, and predictably -- through these adaptors -- the signal was 30ish. Upgraded the two switches from 10/100 to 10/100/1000 and it's now 50ish signal. The powerline adapters (Zyxel) are 10/100.
thanks for the vid, you explained that really well. Im guessing though if you have 3phase power in your home you would have to make sure they are all on the same phase?
It's not the distance but the capacitance of the wires that limit the bandwidth. For example, your USB dongle works fine with 1m USB cable but not with 2.5m cable. Twisted pairs with differential signalling eliminate the problem.
I have a 2000mb powerline adapter which is twice the 1 GB nic that plugs into it to counter the losses. Both adapters are on the same power circuit and it works great near line speed . Proper house ethernet wired house would be far better but that isn't feasible in my situation with insulated double skin solid brick walls .
I bought a powerline adapter about 7yrs ago that I used a few times after moving house to get me by till I could run a cable. In that sense it has been handy and worth the 50 or I paid for them but I usually try to then get a cable sorted as soon as possible.But for 50 or so it's not too bad to have them as a backup
I'm not sure if anyone else covered this, but the room you are in will affect speeds based on which power phase you are on. Same phase room, good speeds. Opposite phase, poor speed or even no connection.
Got myself a TPLink AV600 powerline adapter to connect my PC in my room to the modem all the way in the parents' room. I got the thing second hand and cheapo for half the price ($15). It only tops up at 300mbps yeah, but that's already more than enough for my use case. Playing games online is FINALLY stable, especially for me because previously I've always been on wireless with lots of random lag spikes, mainly because my PC and the modem are too far apart and punching the hole through the house just for that wasn't an acceptable option to my parents. I also now can stream up to 4K videos smooth, and downloads whether it be movies or games finally don't range from 6 hours to 200 days, (I live in a third world country, this shits luxury to me!). So personally I'd say YES PL Adapters are worth it for people in the same boat as me. You lose some speed yeah but: 1. Its definitely cheaper than punching the hole in the wall 2. Easy to install and 3. I personally think stability>high speeds, especially if you're streaming videos or playing games online. My only suggestions are 1. Buy ones with a return policy, so you can test whether it'll run in your desired location. I took a risk buying it second hand and without knowing whether it'll run at the socket or not, but was lucky to have it working well. 2. Try to plug the thing as direct as possible to the wall socket. Mine doesn't come with a passthrough and so eats up socket. Using it with extension cables/adapters will lower your bandwidth.. (In my case, with adapters I got 8mbps and without em I got 25mbps!)
would this work if i'm in the basement and the router is all the way upstairs? upstairs my router gives like 150 mpbs download and in my basement i get like 2 and it is awful
Rule of thumb is: Net speed is about 3 times lower than the raw link speed (unlike Wi-Fi which is roughly 2 times lower). So the LED did not turn amber, because the *LINK* raw speed was over 80 Mbit/s. Using the rule of thumb, your raw speed was about 200 Mbit/s in the distant room, very much "Green" indeed!
I have Xfinity and pay for 100mbps. I can get 30-50 upstairs on the opposite side of the house from the router and that's for a ps4/online gaming. It works well. I'm using the model that doesn't have the outlet on it.
Nice since our router is in my parents master bedroom and my room right next to them I should have no issues with speed and bandwith with a powerline kit. Cause right now my wifi is CRAP even though I got a really good pcie wifi card aka the asus PCE-88 card. ;(
If you can't get them to work, make sure you are not using surge-protected outlets or extension cords. They filter the power, and also can interfere with the powerlink signals.
Yeah I gave this a try and while it's faster and more stable than wifi, I was looking for even more performance. I ended up punching a hole in the wall and running 10 gigabit ethernet via a cat6a cable. Realize though, I was looking for 10 times the normal home network bandwidth for video editing at 4K etc. Where running an actual ethernet cable isn't feasible and you need to run large distances, this is certainly an alternative to drilling through walls.
SuprUsr Stan cat6 will be the best, but I have been very happy with my moca 2.0 network adapters! They have very little impact on ping, and they blow any Powerline adapter I have ever bought to date out of the water both with speed and reliability.
@@SuprUsrStan That's also part of the issue, though. These devices are only as reliable as how many you own. Since they require a connection to operate, the more you own the slower it will be.
Very roughly speaking, there can be more than one circuit for power in a building - if the ethernet over power line devices are on different circuits they won't "see" each other. Best speak to an electrician if you know one (I'm not one but learnt from experience). Mine work very well. I only get a little over 20 meg/s into the house and get the same in an outbuilding 50 metres away via the devices.
I used the 2 port version one connecting a router from downstairs to my room upstairs. While ping was down about 10% the download speed was more than halved from my normal wifi speed for my pc. Ultimately I returned it to bestbuy which is where i recommend you buy it from.
@@avzerd9003 better latency than wifi across the house. the latency adds up say you have 50ms round trip plugged right into router you have to add wifi latency and congestion for maybe another 10-50 ms depending on conditions. powerlines add usually less than 5ms in my experience. I'd take 55 ms powerline over 60-100 ms wifi
@@skatcat743 so i usually run 33 the least in fps games and 44-400 the most yes my ping will spike for about 20 mins in a game and will it help me at least get to 23?
@@weticle7730 this would be better if you could you can run a ethernet cable all the way to your PC or Console. But if you want wireless, this would be the best option.
these things are terrible, it's 1/4 the speed of wifi for me. and even then it has a lot of lag spikes and disconnections. the most I could get was 1.5mbps download speed.
NOTE: for the best speeds, plug these directly into the outlet, not power strips... also its faster if you plug both adapters into outlets controlled by the same fuse box switch.
I got a TP-link 1200 which is about the same thing. To get the full performance you have to have both units on the same power circuit. I was surprised it worked at all going thru the circuit breakers to go from one circuit to another. I won't do this again. Mesh WiFi is the way to go.
I bought the Zyxel 500 over 6 years ago, had maybe 4 of them. They worked well, and we're very fast. They burnt out last year, and I replaced them with 2000 model. what I miss about the old ones, they had four 1 gigabit ports built in, whereas the new ones only have two. It was convenient not having to have an extra switch plugged in to those remote locations.
The 50 feet away is actually further than that. Unless the outlets are daisy chain together the signal has to go to the breaker box mostly located in the basement the to the outlet.
I used them for a while and I can say if your powerlines in the house are not perfect, forget. Only if U need access to a network device in a corner of an apartment, like a IPTV but not 4K
Devolo Magic 2 is much, much better but you should have mentioned that the advertised speed is the maximum not necessarily what you'll get. With the Devolo you can get the Devolo Cockpit which will give you all the speeds you can obtain in your net. The Devolo also has a WiFi model that hets up to 867 Mbits WiFi..
The Art Of Tech Support same here for me in the UK. I get around 65-70 Mbps internet speed which is what I see if I plug directly to the router or with the TP-link gear I have. Well worth it over the WiFi speed in most rooms.
one more reason should be the better lag and latency for gaming, you can have wifi adaptor and this wired in at the same time, switch to 5g wifi for downloading and streaming, and powerline for lag-free gaming
The speeds will vary from house to house. So in your house it may only get 225Mbps. While with them put into another home they will get 300Mbps or more. It is due to how the house is wired.
This may be something to consider. I have had to set a home office downstairs in the living room area because my WiFi doesn't work in the upstairs office unless I switch to the 2.4 GHz band but there is so much attenuation that I can't run my video teleconferencing. (This is an old house built in the cold war on a military base so the walls are a bit thick so wifi extenders are meh.)
Hi Stan - thanks for your great review. You had said you had 4 of these devices throughout your house already. Then at the end of your video you said you pulled CAT6 cables instead. So are you NO LONGER using your original 4 power-line devices? Thx.
Please somebody hurry, I am at Best Buy and I need to know! My first question is… I can leave my Wi-Fi signal off for this and just use ethernet? And will this be good enough for zoom conferences?
Nice video. A few years later things haven’t changed much. I’m probably going to try and use some old routers and reconfigure them as access points along with maybe one extender for a remote corner. You have good personality and you keep it mercifully simple with no music, big intro or 7 minutes of useless back story. Liked!
You may not under your power panel and how the electrons travel from one box to another. Similar to an Ethernet star topology network, all signal comes back to a central point. Well, most modern power panel systems does the same thing. Except your blending low voltage Ethernet with high 120 even 240 volt power coming on the same bus bar. And without any CDMA, you essentially may be experiencing collision, cross talk and EMI all on the same bar. These devices and most Ethernet switches never achieve full data rates because of the very same factors that I previously mentioned. Lastly, to assume just because the outlets are next to each other, possibly wired to each other does not mean that is the path the electrons will take. Ethernet over power is a very busy and nosey medium, and thus most Network Engineers do not choose to pick that option to extend Ethernet frames. Go a step further in your test and place signal analyzer, or wireshark network analyzer on the line to see the number of packet retransmissions.
The electrical grid is not good to transmit tcpip . The impedance matching and noise filtering are issues . I built something similar in electronics engineering school back when . They use an opto- isolator component . You can link different logic voltage levels in this case send and receive through the 60 cycle 120 volt grid . Easy to do but not the native cat 6 enviro . Back in jr high I made a 120 volt lightbulb switch on an off from a 555 timer running on 5 volts sending a 50 percent duty cycle square wave at 11hertz using a solid state relay . A very similar voltage isolation circuit .
Very nice video thanks. I thought the way these things work is that if both power line adapters are on the same line on the same side of the circuit breaker panel then they operate well. but if one power line adapter has to travel through the circuit breaker that's when performance degrades quickly. at least that was my understanding. And when they run power cables through the house, they daisy chain them through this outlets. does that possibly explain the much decrease performance when they were on other sides of the house?
This would depend on the wiring in the house most country's use a loop for top and bottom floors and the signal does pass through the circuit breaker fine In fact most of the times these are used this will be the case What makes problems is when trying this pre circuit breaker or when connected to circuit breaker post main panel that are not looped like most sockets are Also some plugs around the house will be what is called a spur So for example in the UK law only allows 1 spur consecutively away from the main loop these spurs will not have the same throughput as a socket on the main loop Only way of telling take face plate of socket and 6 wires coming In means loop and 3 would mean spur However In other country's that allow multiple spurs the first spur would have 6 wires too it gives the effect of having them In extensions which although lots of the times they will still work great speed will be reduced
@@helloman4251 Multiple tech sites do this... bottom line, speeds are: WiFi < Powerline < Direct LAN (ie: Powerline is faster than WiFi but slower than a direct connected LAN)
MoCA is great, but it requires there to be a coax outlet in the room. In rooms with no ethernet or coax in the wall, this is the only solution that will give you a wired connection without drilling holes and running cables through your house.
I am looking for a new one i had a D-link powerline and I've only had problems from the day i got it. I snapped it in half and went back to wifi for now.
Can I ask where you live I suspect that different electrical regulations per country would massively effect how well these can work I wounded if there is a UK review as regulations and quality of install of wiring circuits are second to none
....technically, no. The circuit breaker isn't what slows it down, at all. It's the fact that it has to go all the way to your breaker panel, then all the way back to wherever you have the second unit. The resistance of all the extra cabling it travels through is what slows it down
For not very large houses or areas, good wireless router or access point is better (preferably ac standard). Unless you are downloading something and you have very fast Internet, you won't even notice you are on WiFi
Thank you very much for your beautiful review - you said that you can pair more than 2 powerlines to the 1ST powerline but I did not see anyone sell more than 2 powerlines in one box. do you know where I can buy more than two? if I buy it separately would all the powerline would pair using the same method of pairining?
I was thinking about using one of these....until I found out it won't work if there's a circuit breaker between the devices you are trying to connect. So, for example, most of us have a circuit for appliances in the kitchen, and a different circuit for your bedroom or office. That means there is a circuit breaker between your kitchen and bedroom....and these products won't work.
@@terencecass7735 Interesting, Terrence. Perhaps it's just a brand issue or they have come up with a workaround. Can you share which brand / model you use?
I bought one of these kits a year ago and forgot I had it. I'll try it now after watching your video. I want to see if I can maintain a longer connection than my current WiFi which seems to fade out or straight disconnect after as little as a half hour or up to 6 hours.
I guess you have fibre to the premises, rather than fibre to the telephone cabinet in the street followed by copper to your house. Certainly in Europe and the UK most common is fibre to the cabinet. There are new build properties getting fibre to the premises but even there are still many new build developments that still have fibre to the outside telephone cabinet then copper to the premises. In other countries where huge apartment blocks exist then usually it is fibre direct. I really think you should be testing kit like this with much slower connections. Fibre commonly has download speeds of 100 mbs. Usually the average copper speeds are maybe 25 mbs download and 6 or 7 mbs upload, yes ! so slow. But even in most modern suburban cities the average broadband speeds are only about 25 mbs with fibre to the cabinet then copper to your house. Powerline adapters and range extenders will generally give only half of your bandwidth to other areas of your house. Generally they are ok for everyday use, but WiFi will always be prone to some interference and channel crowding. Ethernet Rj45 direct connection is best for your PC if you are an avid gamer. But at the end of the day it all depends on the quality of your internet service provider router in your house and also the hardware and connection infrastructure that the telephone companies use and provide to their customers.Did I hear correctly at the end you mentioned your 10gb connection !! . eh ? do you have a private wire to your house ? that would cost thousands of pounds or dollars in rental lol !.
My only concerns are security and spikes. Being connected to house wiring, could household network be listened to(or tapped) from outside the building? Yes, I am inside of my router, doesn't this place my network internals in the open? Just wondering..... How hardy are these devices? Can they be used along with spike/surge protectors? And of course noise. Any problems from ac, refrigerators, home appliances etc.. Nice evaluation....
This is really wierd. Very useful video, but in the furthest room in the house from WIFI, where I have my work laptop, I still get more than 100mpbs wifi/internet. I think its pointless for me to then get this ..... But I really liked the video. Thank you!
been using these exact units in our house. We cannot run cables due to the house construction, so this is great. Speeds are very good, in fact, better than our wifi setup!
But this is of course OUR situation.
New house?
i have the TP-Link AV2000 and I get 130-200Mbps out of 200Mbps over 300m passing through 2 switchboards with TV, fans, 3 ACs, Fridge, lights, etc on. It really depends on your electrical wiring. If it's good, then you can expect great powerline rates and as such throughput. Btw my powerline rate is 600-750Mbps.
@@mgjulesdev nice fantasy, now back to reality, its not reaching even 50m much less 300
this dude has a good vibe. thanks for the info and the good attitude!
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Thanks, great review!
I bought these for the purpose of remote locating a 4K security camera running at 30 fps. I wanted to locate the camera 150 ft away from the house at my main outdoor panel. I am pleased to say that it works perfectly with no frame loss, consistently for almost a year now. Between the two units, there are 4 circuit breakers and a 120v leg change. I decided to test it to extremes. From that panel there is a 300ft feed to my workshop. Add 2 more breakers for a total of 6 now, with a total length of AC cable of 450ft. I was impressed to see that the unit linked green immediately and transferred the 4K, 30fps video perfectly! Granted, I did not do actual data/speed testing like you did, but my goal was simply linking to a very high resolution security camera feed. I find the 1200 exceeds my expectations in my application, and has been perfectly reliable for almost a year now. Note that there are also 2 GFI outlets between the two 1200s also.
Thanks Tom - this is what I wanted to know - same thing - have a shed on the property with same kind of setup.
Just what I needed! Thanks for posting your expeience.
Greetings all. I just thought I would add, it's still working great!! Also, keep in mind that the one unit is outdoors, in a water proof enclosure, experiencing harsh Rochester winters and some hot 90 degree days too. I'm very pleased. I hope it's working as well for everyone else!
Does it heat up though? Are they warm to touch?
@@EricLatios Hi Eric, I noticed in the beginning of deployment, they did not get hot. I just checked the one in my basement now, and it is not even as warm as any cell phone wall wart that I have, that are plugged in, Not even charging a phone. This tells me they have low power consumption while operating. It's a good question Eric, because heat generation in electronics like this is definitely related to longevity. I'm happy to report that these units are STILL operating normally, no apparent degradation of data transfer, 3 green LEDs right now. They have experienced multiple lightning induced line spikes now too. I give kudos to the Engineering team on this product. Many consumer electronic products are dead by this point, (like ones designed with low grade electrolytics). I would have to give this product 5 stars at this point.
You need a phase coupler in order to achieve (almost) the same speed at every socket, the distance alone is not that important, the outer conductor phases are more important. Your 60-70mbit reading as opposed to the 200mbit is pretty much the loss you would expect from an outlet that doesn't use the same outer conductor as the one the adapter is plugged into, in which case the only way the connection exists is electromagnetic "crosstalk" between different wires, causing about 1/5 loss. A phase coupler connects all active outer conductor wires so you get the same speed everywhere.
Thanks for a very detailed review of the power line adapters. I am looking to buy one as its great if you live in a rental property and do not want to spend money and/or make any modifications to the house to lay Ethernet cables. If you vacate the property, you simply unplug them and take them with you.
What is your signal source at the rental?
Gigabits powerlines/LAN adapters works extremely well with a 4K TVs. The speed is good enough for playing 4k videos with zero buffetings. The benefit is easy to use, not more dealing with cables, etc.
Just bought the powerline 1200 and you are spot on. These things are very slow. Running gigabit and couldn't get over 25 MBps. then it dropped to 8 not to mention random disconnects. Great video, detailed and stopped my troubleshooting in its tracks. Thanks👍
I love this vid.
I’ve never seen such a gigabit LAN adapter.
I thought the specs were about 100Mbps/limited
I was hoping to hear what the laptops speed using just wifi would've been in both areas you tested the product.
Therrion ' I was too
Ya kind of pointless video without showing that
It’s about half of what you’re router provides but the stability benefit outweighs the speed loss. CoD now has no lag at all.
Here are some stats for you:
I was getting around 30MBPS between laptop and internet via wifi. I was looking for at least equivalent speed and more stability for zoom, so I bought a similar product from d-link - see link below. It says "Experience wired speeds of up to 1000Mbps". Given that the plan I have is for 50MBPS, I wasn't expecting a full gigabit.
The setup was simple and worked well. It performed better the closer I was to the router, but the speed was so disappointing (from 5 to 10MBPS) that I returned the item to the store.
I was thinking of trying the netgear product, but a google search shows that the problems I had with d-link seem to be common to netgear as well.
us.dlink.com/en/products/dhp-601av-powerline-av2-1000-gigabit-starter-kit
@@aljacko1 idk, i was getting 400-800Mbs directly connected, i wanted to move my computers to a different area but didnt want to run wires, i got this and now i get anywhere between 3-40mbs
Two things to consider. You need to have these adapters connected on the same power outlet circuit to work. So they may not connect on every outlet throughout your house or apartment. The other thing is they run alarming hot. I had 4 TP-Link Powerline adapters and was afraid that they would catch on fire and burn the house down. I ended up removing them and installing TP-Link extenders which run a lot cooler.
Need to be plugged into outlets that are on the same side of your break box.
That's true only if you have new AFCI breakers in your panel that block high frequency signals. Any homes older than 10 years should perform much better and will not have problems with connections between most outlets in the house.
no they don't. Or at least every single one that I've seen use the neutral wire and more and more they're starting to use the ground wire to increase bandwidth and really only moving through sub-panels causes issues due to the amount of bridge tab, inconsistent grounding can be a big problem too.
Wait what
I use this and had it for more than 2 years I think now, definitely worth it guys! I play online a lot and it's important that I have a good connection to get the drop on people and this has been far better than using wifi and better than having a cord run throughout the houses I've lived at!
So you do get faster speeds from this than wifi? My router is probably 20-30ish feed from me and im getting like 120 down and 40 up, but wired overall just prioratizes ur pc so you get lower ping even if u had the same numbers. So do you think its worth me buying these powerlines or any other ones in specific? Looking for someone who has experience with an answer/opinion
@@anthonyhebertjr5841no
Awesome review, thank you for being honest and upfront about the product and showing your test!
Consistency > speed.
Sounds like something someone with slow Internet would say
@@kojimaisgod9500 LOL
@@kojimaisgod9500 well with a 200mbps(not the fastest but it works) I stand by consistently>speed. In the room I only actually get 50 Mbps (possibly faster speeds with a faster power line adapter). Gaming on the power line vs wireless is hands on way better with the power line adapter. I've tried wireless and it randomly lags with a higher speed overall.
@@kojimaisgod9500 i have fast internet and i'd rather have much less thats consistent than this.
@@noahw5887 due to the latency. High speeds are great for downloading games to your system, but having a consistent connection with low latency would be much better for actively gaming
Thanks for the review! I'm currently at the mercy of my roommates setup and our wireless router is downstairs, my room is directly above it but I still only pull like 30-40 mbps through my wireless connection. If this can basically double that from being hard wired (which I always prefer to be) then I'm definitely going to check it out, but I'll also be aware of the return policy from wherever I purchase it, just in case. I also know they make the adapters without the extra outlet so I'll probably go with that version because I don't mind losing the outlet it would take up~ Thanks again for posting this as it's one of the few powerline adapter reviews!
Did it help at all? My room is directly above the router cuz it's in the living room.
@@brwnjokr7601 same i need to know lol
Literally my situation, how did it go??
Don't keep us hanging
@@brwnjokr7601 did it end up helping you?
This may be a bit late in relation to the time when this video is published. I am living in the UK.
In general, Powerline adapters are good when you are living in a rented property where you may not be allowed to drill through a wall as this may cause the loss of your deposit and/or get into trouble with the landlord.
Secondly, if the construction of the property is concrete, i.e. the presence of steelwork inside the concrete, this will severely affect the WiFi signal. (Just to be sure, always check if there is a metal ladder between your WiFi router and your computer, It has been proven that metal lattice can "absorb" and hence reducing the WiFi signal strength)
Thirdly, when you are in a situation where the actual length of the cable is near or greater than 100 ft. For example, the direct distance between the router to your computer maybe 15 or 20 ft, but when laying the cable and fixing it to the bottom of the wall then up the wall behind the door frame, etc., you get my drift.
Lastly, this is more of a basic condition that has to be satisfied. Make sure the "source" powerline adapter and all the "recipient" powerline adapters ARE ON THE SAME RING (this is what the electricians in the UK called a circuit). For example, in my single storey flat or apartment, all the wall sockets, except those in the kitchen, are on one ring. All the sockets in the kitchen are on another ring. All the ceiling lights are on another ring. So, my router is in the sitting room. My computer is in my bedroom, I can connect the two using a pair of powerline adapter. But if I take my laptop into my kitchen, saying trying to watch a video teaching how to cook a certain recipe since the sockets in the kitchen are on another ring, I will not be able to connect my laptop to the router via powerline adapters (let ignore the WiFi factor for illustration purpose). The practice of which sockets are on one ring differs in different countries or even different electricians in the same country because this is governed by the total load on that ring.
Powerline adapters were very handy devices before the birth of WiFi. Nowadays with 4G and 5G, powerline adapters are becoming redundant. Nowadays, the manufacturers are including WiFi extension function in the adapters. It sounds good but I personally will not pay for something that I won't use.
One more thing about powerline adapters. Be careful not to plug in an electric device that draws a lot of power into the same ring as the powerline adapters are on, e.g. power tool, powerful vacuum cleaner, powerful hair drier. The interference they create will degrade the network signal. The worst case would result in irreparable damage to the NIC on the powerline adapter. The most common effect would be choppy video if watching TH-cam. I had experienced the loss of network connection.
I hope this information help.
Edit: I forgot one important aspect of using powerline adapters, which is that they DO NOT WORK with power extension! They have to be plugged into the wall sockets directly.
consider to use the device because I have a device in upstairs which can only connect to ethernet cable. considering the signals will go from the first floor outlet to the main house power switch box and then to the second floor power outlet, the speed lost is reasonable.
Your review is exactly what I needed. The only reason I wanted to buy these was to be able to game online with my friends, since my gaming desktop computer is quite far from my router and also not the same floor (router upstairs and PC downstairs).
And your video proved to my beyond any doubt that it is clearly not for me...
Thank you so much!
I have been using powerlines for years, and so long as your wiring is moderately recent, then you will get a much more stable connection and lower ping than wifi. My router is downstairs, and I game on my pc upstairs. I max out at about 220mb/s and much better ping. Up to you of course, but I recommend powerline for pretty much everything except huge data transfer, then a good old trust cable just can't be beat
I can’t get near 20mbps..... I was just happy having more than 4 or 0.7mbps on average and now I find out 100mbps is considered descent?
A tip would be to not use xfinity
It doesn’t boost your speed. It just provides a stable hardwired connection in another room.
@@aljacko1 despite the speed loss is it much more stable than wifi?
@@ryou6453 ethernet cables tend to be more reliable and have consistent connection
@@anoobis8674 yes but compared to wifi....???
Thank you for your honest review of this product. Also, for mentioning other manufactures with similar products offering 1GB speeds through the households wiring loom just won't deliver anywhere near that either. It makes you wonder who regulates such claims?? Just going off at a tangent, I recently had installed a 1GB fibre router. When hard wired into it with a Cat 5 - I got what was advertised. However, using wi-fi, the best was 375mbps - even stood right on top of it. Don't get me wrong it's one heck of an improvement from what I had previously but only found out afterwards that wi-fi has limits. Maybe you could make a video explaining these limitations. Subscribed to you today. Peter.
This is cool, switching from wireless to wired. These devices make it easier than I expected with too many cables
Its not as cheap as you think
@@josephferencz6063 40-60 dollars isn't really that bad
@@syedali9179 exactly, you’d expect it to be at least 100-120 dollars lol
no one, talking about these power units, mention, the fact that all wall power socket go back to a fuse box, and there are limits to how many wall power socket share one fuse, and distance is not socket to socket, but much further, socket to fuse, to mains wire,- to another fuse to socket, in top room or garage etc, but these unit are good for those who rent
The advertised speed ratings are completely ridicules and border on fraudulent. Testing and using different outlets on both ends can optimize throughput speed and provide the best results. One big plus with the power line Ethernet adapters is the consistency of throughput speed and general reliability of the connection, much better in this respect than a wireless connection in my experience. I have an IP camera and a backup server with storage devices setup in an outbuilding located about 75 feet from the house and get consistent 150 megabit per second speeds which is adequate for my purposes. Attempts using wireless extenders proved virtually useless resulting in inconsistent speeds and dropped connections. Being located in an urban area the number of wireless routers broadcasting in close proximity represents a very harsh electromagnetic environment requiring wireless Ethernet devices to be located fairly close to the access point to be usable. Thank you for sharing your experience.
The speed ratings are for the total available bandwidth, not for what can be achieved on a point to point connection. Its a bit like advertising the backplane bandwidth of a switch. It is usefull, but its not the link speed you'll actually get.
Additionally, all those modern ethernet over power setups require a properly wired and grounded circuit, and all the adapters should be on the same circuit also to achieve anywhere near the speed they are capable of in theory. You'll lose 50% of the available bandwidth, and link speed when this isn't perfect.
Quality of outlets, and having other noisy devices on the circuit both matter a lot
Other 'blah over powerline' setups in the same house also matter a lot
I use one for my computer it works great I’ve had it for about a year now!! Definitely worth it guys 🙂
for people who can't run ethernet cables in their household. your better off looking into MoCA devices (Multimedia Over Cable Alliance). they send the signal over your coax cables in your household. and your able to get about 90% or better of your over all bandwidth send to multiple parts of your household.
Yeah but don’t we need two cox plugs on the ssme outlet as the modem or router and most houses have one per room
@@ibanjabur471 many MoCA adapters generally have a build in coax splitter or you can add a coax splitter to the line if needed. there handy for people who rent or have older wiring in the house. however you do generally need a MoCA adapter on the coax line going to you modem and another going to the room and/or area you wish to send use the wired connection to complete the circuit. there are many tutorials on YT explaining it all in more detail.
Watching this with an 1.1MB connection in my house. None of the flaws mentioned apply to me at all😂
Yeah out here with that 746 kb speed😢
Dylan Jacobs contact your isp chances are you not getting you garenteed speed
get a Cat7 cable lol
Something Physical cat 6 is all you need
@@dylanjacobs1359 how did your video even load wtf
Great review. I am curious though, what download speeds are you paying for from your internet service provider? If you're paying for 300 mbps, then getting 250 from the powerline is pretty good. If you're paying for 1.5gbps and getting 250, then that's another story.
I'm paying for 1gb. On wifi my PC gets on avg around 100 mbps dl. On ethernet I get 850gb. I just cant do the cables through my apartment. My gf would kill me lol. My PC is only 5 ft from my router though. Wondering if this is a good fix for me?
@@xNobl3x Usually routers have their own ethernet ports. If it's really that close you your pc, then a 5ft ethernet cable should be able to connect the two, without laying cable through entire flat.
Otherwise, with this, you'd still need an ethernet cable connecting your pc to the nearest electric outlet.
I have 3 tp powerlines av600 models in my house. My 2 smart TVs buffered on wifi but I now have them plugged into the wall and no more buffering
Getting a repeater is better, these things add so much Latency and cause issues with packet loss
i know this is 4 years old but 50mbps with low latency is still fine for most people even with zoom cals or other work from home things. . A benefit to these i discovered .... I have a friend that went on vacation with me but still had to do 4 hours of PC work a day on a work supplied PC that would not allow any wifi . `The airBNB router was far away from the bedroom room. First we tired a wifi to ethernet adapter but the security system in her work PC wouldn't allow communication detecting the adapter somehow. then we tried powerline ethernet adapters and it worked great.
I just subscribed to FIOS, and predictably -- through these adaptors -- the signal was 30ish. Upgraded the two switches from 10/100 to 10/100/1000 and it's now 50ish signal. The powerline adapters (Zyxel) are 10/100.
thanks for the vid, you explained that really well. Im guessing though if you have 3phase power in your home you would have to make sure they are all on the same phase?
It's not the distance but the capacitance of the wires that limit the bandwidth. For example, your USB dongle works fine with 1m USB cable but not with 2.5m cable. Twisted pairs with differential signalling eliminate the problem.
I have a 2000mb powerline adapter which is twice the 1 GB nic that plugs into it to counter the losses. Both adapters are on the same power circuit and it works great near line speed . Proper house ethernet wired house would be far better but that isn't feasible in my situation with insulated double skin solid brick walls .
I bought a powerline adapter about 7yrs ago that I used a few times after moving house to get me by till I could run a cable. In that sense it has been handy and worth the 50 or I paid for them but I usually try to then get a cable sorted as soon as possible.But for 50 or so it's not too bad to have them as a backup
Very informative and answered my questions. Thank you!
I used it for like hotel room and it worked well because i used for my IPad and my iPhone too
I'm not sure if anyone else covered this, but the room you are in will affect speeds based on which power phase you are on. Same phase room, good speeds. Opposite phase, poor speed or even no connection.
Got myself a TPLink AV600 powerline adapter to connect my PC in my room to the modem all the way in the parents' room.
I got the thing second hand and cheapo for half the price ($15). It only tops up at 300mbps yeah, but that's already more than enough for my use case.
Playing games online is FINALLY stable, especially for me because previously I've always been on wireless with lots of random lag spikes, mainly because my PC and the modem are too far apart and punching the hole through the house just for that wasn't an acceptable option to my parents. I also now can stream up to 4K videos smooth, and downloads whether it be movies or games finally don't range from 6 hours to 200 days, (I live in a third world country, this shits luxury to me!).
So personally I'd say YES PL Adapters are worth it for people in the same boat as me. You lose some speed yeah but:
1. Its definitely cheaper than punching the hole in the wall
2. Easy to install and
3. I personally think stability>high speeds, especially if you're streaming videos or playing games online.
My only suggestions are
1. Buy ones with a return policy, so you can test whether it'll run in your desired location. I took a risk buying it second hand and without knowing whether it'll run at the socket or not, but was lucky to have it working well.
2. Try to plug the thing as direct as possible to the wall socket. Mine doesn't come with a passthrough and so eats up socket. Using it with extension cables/adapters will lower your bandwidth..
(In my case, with adapters I got 8mbps and without em I got 25mbps!)
would this work if i'm in the basement and the router is all the way upstairs? upstairs my router gives like 150 mpbs download and in my basement i get like 2 and it is awful
Rule of thumb is: Net speed is about 3 times lower than the raw link speed (unlike Wi-Fi which is roughly 2 times lower).
So the LED did not turn amber, because the *LINK* raw speed was over 80 Mbit/s. Using the rule of thumb, your raw speed was about 200 Mbit/s in the distant room, very much "Green" indeed!
I have Xfinity and pay for 100mbps. I can get 30-50 upstairs on the opposite side of the house from the router and that's for a ps4/online gaming. It works well. I'm using the model that doesn't have the outlet on it.
Nice since our router is in my parents master bedroom and my room right next to them I should have no issues with speed and bandwith with a powerline kit. Cause right now my wifi is CRAP even though I got a really good pcie wifi card aka the asus PCE-88 card. ;(
If you can't get them to work, make sure you are not using surge-protected outlets or extension cords. They filter the power, and also can interfere with the powerlink signals.
Min 2:25 you state " I have 4 installed around my house" . but you do not reccomend the product.
Yeah I gave this a try and while it's faster and more stable than wifi, I was looking for even more performance. I ended up punching a hole in the wall and running 10 gigabit ethernet via a cat6a cable. Realize though, I was looking for 10 times the normal home network bandwidth for video editing at 4K etc. Where running an actual ethernet cable isn't feasible and you need to run large distances, this is certainly an alternative to drilling through walls.
SuprUsr Stan cat6 will be the best, but I have been very happy with my moca 2.0 network adapters! They have very little impact on ping, and they blow any Powerline adapter I have ever bought to date out of the water both with speed and reliability.
@@SuprUsrStan That's also part of the issue, though. These devices are only as reliable as how many you own. Since they require a connection to operate, the more you own the slower it will be.
I have a power line in my detached garage for my Amazon dot it works, I have great Wi-Fi signal like in my house it works.
How far is your garage from your house? I am looking to use this for my garage as well.
They only work on the same power line. If your garage is on a different circuit forget it.
Glen Harrison what does that actually mean
Very roughly speaking, there can be more than one circuit for power in a building - if the ethernet over power line devices are on different circuits they won't "see" each other.
Best speak to an electrician if you know one (I'm not one but learnt from experience).
Mine work very well. I only get a little over 20 meg/s into the house and get the same in an outbuilding 50 metres away via the devices.
Glen Harrison I live in a small house and the distance between them is like 20 or 25 meters away so I think they are on the same circuit
Hello, thank you for doing this review. It was very helpful.
I used the 2 port version one connecting a router from downstairs to my room upstairs. While ping was down about 10% the download speed was more than halved from my normal wifi speed for my pc. Ultimately I returned it to bestbuy which is where i recommend you buy it from.
People buy this for games where you need good latency. Ping is what matters most.
wdym this doesn’t give u better ping?
@@avzerd9003 better latency than wifi across the house. the latency adds up say you have 50ms round trip plugged right into router you have to add wifi latency and congestion for maybe another 10-50 ms depending on conditions. powerlines add usually less than 5ms in my experience. I'd take 55 ms powerline over 60-100 ms wifi
@@skatcat743 so i usually run 33 the least in fps games and 44-400 the most yes my ping will spike for about 20 mins in a game and will it help me at least get to 23?
@@skatcat743 if i’m playing games, would i want this or to use a wireless internet connection??
@@weticle7730 this would be better if you could you can run a ethernet cable all the way to your PC or Console. But if you want wireless, this would be the best option.
these things are terrible, it's 1/4 the speed of wifi for me. and even then it has a lot of lag spikes and disconnections. the most I could get was 1.5mbps download speed.
You're awesome Stanley, Thank you!!
NOTE: for the best speeds, plug these directly into the outlet, not power strips... also its faster if you plug both adapters into outlets controlled by the same fuse box switch.
I got a TP-link 1200 which is about the same thing. To get the full performance you have to have both units on the same power circuit. I was surprised it worked at all going thru the circuit breakers to go from one circuit to another. I won't do this again. Mesh WiFi is the way to go.
I bought the Zyxel 500 over 6 years ago, had maybe 4 of them. They worked well, and we're very fast. They burnt out last year, and I replaced them with 2000 model. what I miss about the old ones, they had four 1 gigabit ports built in, whereas the new ones only have two. It was convenient not having to have an extra switch plugged in to those remote locations.
Can you add 5port ethernet switches to these ?
@@Grief0032 I wouldn't see why not . For me it was the convenience of a built-in switch, without an extra box or something else to plug in.
The 50 feet away is actually further than that. Unless the outlets are daisy chain together the signal has to go to the breaker box mostly located in the basement the to the outlet.
How could they advertise a 1200mbps speed when it connects via a cable that only runs at 1000mbps?
get a better cable like a cat 6
it's not the cable. You're right these thing are a farce.
MoCA 2.5 also a better alternative if you have the coax already
I used them for a while and I can say if your powerlines in the house are not perfect, forget. Only if U need access to a network device in a corner of an apartment, like a IPTV but not 4K
Devolo Magic 2 is much, much better but you should have mentioned that the advertised speed is the maximum not necessarily what you'll get. With the Devolo you can get the Devolo Cockpit which will give you all the speeds you can obtain in your net. The Devolo also has a WiFi model that hets up to 867 Mbits WiFi..
Here in Australia in my area our internet tops out at 50 Mbps so those adaptors are great
The Art Of Tech Support same here for me in the UK. I get around 65-70 Mbps internet speed which is what I see if I plug directly to the router or with the TP-link gear I have. Well worth it over the WiFi speed in most rooms.
one more reason should be the better lag and latency for gaming, you can have wifi adaptor and this wired in at the same time,
switch to 5g wifi for downloading and streaming, and powerline for lag-free gaming
really well made video thanks alot
The speeds will vary from house to house. So in your house it may only get 225Mbps. While with them put into another home they will get 300Mbps or more. It is due to how the house is wired.
This may be something to consider. I have had to set a home office downstairs in the living room area because my WiFi doesn't work in the upstairs office unless I switch to the 2.4 GHz band but there is so much attenuation that I can't run my video teleconferencing. (This is an old house built in the cold war on a military base so the walls are a bit thick so wifi extenders are meh.)
We have a totally off-grid house. The inverters mean it is nor a solution. The best I could get was a poor transmission 20ft from the router.
Thanks for the info! Very helpful. 👍
Hi Stan - thanks for your great review. You had said you had 4 of these devices throughout your house already. Then at the end of your video you said you pulled CAT6 cables instead. So are you NO LONGER using your original 4 power-line devices? Thx.
Please somebody hurry, I am at Best Buy and I need to know! My first question is… I can leave my Wi-Fi signal off for this and just use ethernet? And will this be good enough for zoom conferences?
Nice video. A few years later things haven’t changed much. I’m probably going to try and use some old routers and reconfigure them as access points along with maybe one extender for a remote corner. You have good personality and you keep it mercifully simple with no music, big intro or 7 minutes of useless back story. Liked!
You may not under your power panel and how the electrons travel from one box to another.
Similar to an Ethernet star topology network, all signal comes back to a central point. Well, most modern power panel systems does the same thing. Except your blending low voltage Ethernet with high 120 even 240 volt power coming on the same bus bar. And without any CDMA, you essentially may be experiencing collision, cross talk and EMI all on the same bar.
These devices and most Ethernet switches never achieve full data rates because of the very same factors that I previously mentioned.
Lastly, to assume just because the outlets are next to each other, possibly wired to each other does not mean that is the path the electrons will take. Ethernet over power is a very busy and nosey medium, and thus most Network Engineers do not choose to pick that option to extend Ethernet frames.
Go a step further in your test and place signal analyzer, or wireshark network analyzer on the line to see the number of packet retransmissions.
I question the label super-user when you only have one monitor. J/K. Very nice review.
The electrical grid is not good to transmit tcpip . The impedance matching and noise filtering are issues . I built something similar in electronics engineering school back when . They use an opto- isolator component . You can link different logic voltage levels in this case send and receive through the 60 cycle 120 volt grid . Easy to do but not the native cat 6 enviro . Back in jr high I made a 120 volt lightbulb switch on an off from a 555 timer running on 5 volts sending a 50 percent duty cycle square wave at 11hertz using a solid state relay . A very similar voltage isolation circuit .
Loads are balanced over phases. I suppose you need to connect the units to outlets on the same phase?
Very nice video thanks.
I thought the way these things work is that if both power line adapters are on the same line on the same side of the circuit breaker panel then they operate well.
but if one power line adapter has to travel through the circuit breaker that's when performance degrades quickly.
at least that was my understanding. And when they run power cables through the house, they daisy chain them through this outlets.
does that possibly explain the much decrease performance when they were on other sides of the house?
This would depend on the wiring in the house most country's use a loop for top and bottom floors and the signal does pass through the circuit breaker fine
In fact most of the times these are used this will be the case
What makes problems is when trying this pre circuit breaker or when connected to circuit breaker post main panel that are not looped like most sockets are
Also some plugs around the house will be what is called a spur
So for example in the UK law only allows 1 spur consecutively away from the main loop these spurs will not have the same throughput as a socket on the main loop
Only way of telling take face plate of socket and 6 wires coming In means loop and 3 would mean spur
However In other country's that allow multiple spurs the first spur would have 6 wires too it gives the effect of having them In extensions which although lots of the times they will still work great speed will be reduced
Let's see how it performs over 250 metres(820 feet) to our cabin.
Ordered 4 Netgear np511 for about $7us each yesterday.
ik this was 8 months ago lol, but how did it perform
It would be good to see a comparison of WiFi speed versus the Powerline speed from the exact same locations.
Yep. Exactly what I was hoping
@@helloman4251 Multiple tech sites do this... bottom line, speeds are: WiFi < Powerline < Direct LAN
(ie: Powerline is faster than WiFi but slower than a direct connected LAN)
Wow, very detailed and helpful review. I’m going to buy it. I hope it works.
Clare Vision did it work?
Was it any good?
DID IT WORK? what speeds you got with this?
hey man thank you this just secured my purchase on this
Is it any good? How is your ping?
I need help because I get shit download speed at 5mb/s even though I have them not that far apart
Might just be your houses cables
Is your powerline blinking orange or red?
This video was very helpful thank you
great video man I'm struggling getting a good connection with WiFi so hopefully these work better
Hey did it improve your wifi?
Moca might be a better solution, if you have coax cable. Moca 2.5 seems to be able to deliver nearly gigabit speed.
MoCA is great, but it requires there to be a coax outlet in the room. In rooms with no ethernet or coax in the wall, this is the only solution that will give you a wired connection without drilling holes and running cables through your house.
Thank you just what I wanted to know
If the two power line adapters are not on the same house circuit it will not work, must be used on a circuit with the same electrical breaker.
I am looking for a new one i had a D-link powerline and I've only had problems from the day i got it.
I snapped it in half and went back to wifi for now.
Can I ask where you live I suspect that different electrical regulations per country would massively effect how well these can work I wounded if there is a UK review as regulations and quality of install of wiring circuits are second to none
Powerline adapters have been sold in the UK for at least a decade.
Use Network Adapter for Ethernet Over Coax called MoCA. It's AWESOME!!!
Circuit breakers are the reason the speed slows down. They are recommended to be on the same circuit.
....technically, no. The circuit breaker isn't what slows it down, at all. It's the fact that it has to go all the way to your breaker panel, then all the way back to wherever you have the second unit. The resistance of all the extra cabling it travels through is what slows it down
For not very large houses or areas, good wireless router or access point is better (preferably ac standard). Unless you are downloading something and you have very fast Internet, you won't even notice you are on WiFi
What would you consider a very large house?
Thank you very much for your beautiful review - you said that you can pair more than 2 powerlines to the 1ST powerline but I did not see anyone sell more than 2 powerlines in one box. do you know where I can buy more than two? if I buy it separately would all the powerline would pair using the same method of pairining?
Don't forget the rated speed is for both up/down 'synchronously' so if you're getting a link speed of 400mbps, it's 200/200 up/down :(
So I don’t have to have my WiFi on?!!! Please confirm 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I’m in Best Buy right now! I need to know!
I was thinking about using one of these....until I found out it won't work if there's a circuit breaker between the devices you are trying to connect. So, for example, most of us have a circuit for appliances in the kitchen, and a different circuit for your bedroom or office. That means there is a circuit breaker between your kitchen and bedroom....and these products won't work.
I have circuit breakers for different circuits and works fine. I can even go into the garage to work.
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Interesting, Terrence. Perhaps it's just a brand issue or they have come up with a workaround. Can you share which brand / model you use?
I bought one of these kits a year ago and forgot I had it. I'll try it now after watching your video.
I want to see if I can maintain a longer connection than my current WiFi which seems to fade out or straight disconnect after as little as a half hour or up to 6 hours.
Try out a mesh WiFi system.
How did it work?
I guess you have fibre to the premises, rather than fibre to the telephone cabinet in the street followed by copper to your house. Certainly in Europe and the UK most common is fibre to the cabinet. There are new build properties getting fibre to the premises but even there are still many new build developments that still have fibre to the outside telephone cabinet then copper to the premises. In other countries where huge apartment blocks exist then usually it is fibre direct. I really think you should be testing kit like this with much slower connections. Fibre commonly has download speeds of 100 mbs. Usually the average copper speeds are maybe 25 mbs download and 6 or 7 mbs upload, yes ! so slow. But even in most modern suburban cities the average broadband speeds are only about 25 mbs with fibre to the cabinet then copper to your house. Powerline adapters and range extenders will generally give only half of your bandwidth to other areas of your house. Generally they are ok for everyday use, but WiFi will always be prone to some interference and channel crowding. Ethernet Rj45 direct connection is best for your PC if you are an avid gamer. But at the end of the day it all depends on the quality of your internet service provider router in your house and also the hardware and connection infrastructure that the telephone companies use and provide to their customers.Did I hear correctly at the end you mentioned your 10gb connection !! . eh ? do you have a private wire to your house ? that would cost thousands of pounds or dollars in rental lol !.
My only concerns are security and spikes.
Being connected to house wiring, could household network be listened to(or tapped) from outside the building? Yes, I am inside of my router, doesn't this place my network internals in the open? Just wondering.....
How hardy are these devices? Can they be used along with spike/surge protectors?
And of course noise. Any problems from ac, refrigerators, home appliances etc..
Nice evaluation....
I bought the same kind and they should be here soon will update when they get here and if they are good for gaming
I have a Netgear device. It's gives similar speed outputs but it's faster. Downloads and video playback it's def faster. Def worth it
What about packet loss and latency? Speed matters up to a point, but latency and packet loss become more important after about 20 mbps honestly.
This is really wierd. Very useful video, but in the furthest room in the house from WIFI, where I have my work laptop, I still get more than 100mpbs wifi/internet. I think its pointless for me to then get this ..... But I really liked the video. Thank you!
Essentially, the house electrical wiring replaces RG45 cabling.
Your bufferbloat is all over the place. You should use some level of QoS on your network.