@@SoloNtuneOfficialSorry, I don’t use Logic so I don’t have a video demonstrating the same lesson on it BUT everything shown in this video is easily replicated in Logic, and any DAW really. Nothing is Pro Tools specific other than the way it looks on screen
I’m so glad I googled how to mix on a mastered beat and you showed up on the top video suggested. I’ve spent countless hours learning how to mix and no one explains every step and thought process of the techniques is such detail. You are very good at explaining things in a understandable way. Definitely brought so much value to the table and the whole hiphop community as we all know how often a song is mixed on a one track instrumental. Thank you! Instantly subscribed and can’t wait to learn more from you!
I have came across so many people who sing over master beat due to them not having the equipment to mix and master like most of us, this is such a BIG HELP!, i usually just turn down the gain of the beat but after trying this out. holy cow, what a difference! THANK YOU! good mixing!
I’m mainly only having problems with the low end of these beats, but tbf I ain’t seen a video that just says to leave the beat at the beginning or compress it so I will definitely try it method since one I’m working has some quite sections like this. Except I have had better results with waves center that ozone imager
I never seen anyone break it down like this. I have to try these steps and see if they work for me. I only mix to 2 track beats since stems are pretty expensive
Totally. I also haven’t seen anyone break this down like this, which is why I made this video. As they say “be the change you want to see in the world” - let me know if this helps after implementing, even if it’s just one thing that works better 👊🏼
@@5piece Will do! I am literally doing it now lol. I am halfway through, then I will test it with the mixdown I have done of the song before finding this vid. I did subscribe as well
@@5piece So I have finished one song and I may not have taken as much time as I have wanted to on it but I notice some really good improvements. The first tip on gain staging and clip gaining to -0.1 then moving the fader on the beat down to around -6db was a good tip. Before, I was just putting the trim plugin on the beat track and pulling the beat down that way. Running the vocals and beat to their Aux tracks were a good tip as well. I was able to do some serious volume matching with the vocals and beat with the fader trick. The bx compressor on the beat aux really brought out the beat as well. Lastly, trackspacer and only using it around 1k and 5k did some good as well. I was doing it at 300 hz and 3k. I will sit down and spend more time on fine tuning more but I do like the results. I do have issues with 2-track beats and the bass or low end being to boomy and high to where I cannot push the mastering to much. Not sure if you made a vid on that but that would help. It could be that the beats I am getting are not that high quality but I am unsure
@@Ayedeezzyawesome, glad to hear all of these little tips have made a difference! Using a trim plugin actually could work just fine, so long as you follow a similar principle (bringing it down -6db ish to start and going from there) I honestly don’t have a video on treating low end / boomy tracks like that just yet but I appreciate you pointing that out so I can add it to the list and see what I can do in upcoming video. I would likely reach for a MB Comp or Dynamic EQ for that as well, so hopefully I can show off that approach in a video soon. Appreciate you reporting back on this! 👊🏼
HI !greetings from spain, i am speechless, you are the best!!!, i have been studying this for 2 years, i have seen all kinds of engineers, but the only one who has explained everything and i mean EVERYTHING including db and volume of each sound, has been you, really thank you very much.!!
Hey quick question man i’ll say i’m at an intermediate level of mixing vocals after about 2 years now . Is there a way i could send or email you a mix just for a second opinion? I feel i’m stuck somewhere just don’t know where .
New subscriber Im taking a step back to get my levels more correct. Question- do you know a ruff estimate on how much a 1 time mixing engineer would be and would they suggest recording at levels -10db to -20db before sending them the vocals Thank you
Appreciate this question. Lots of variables here, like all things mixing, there isn't exactly a one-size fits all answer. Mixing engineers range from $50 to thousands depending on the person's experience and track record. I find a happy medium for an actual, GOOD engineer is at least $300-$500 per song, but it really depends. Low price points PROBABLY mean the engineer is probably inexperienced or templating everything to the point where your record may come out good, or not even close. Good if your music is "cookie-cutter" but I find every song is unique and requires its own love and attention. A good mixer will obviously mix music that is similar to what you make, and music that you think sounds good (otherwise, why hire them!?). They'll also work with you, communicate clearly throughout the process regarding what's required and timelines, provide revisions in case they don't nail it on mix 1, and in the end, give you everything you need to release the song properly (including radio edits, performance edits, DJ packs and so on). Or at least, an engineer like ME would do that ;) In terms of recording level headroom, yes - you'll want to have headroom on vocal recordings. I did a video on this many years ago, but its worth revisiting: th-cam.com/video/xF0XDNb8Jck/w-d-xo.htmlsi=A0vCTAmgVItm31lr
Should i use strategy 1 sidebyside with strategy 2 or 3 ?? , or should i use only 1 strategy at a time ?? . if i'm use the trackspacer strategy should i use it with strategy 1 ?? . thank you
I can't tell you which will work best in your scenario because every one is different - therefore you need to use your judgement and experiment to find what sounds best. If it was me, I'd try each strategy one by one (and even combine them, which I did at times in this video) until I achieve my desired outcome. Mixing is simply acquiring many strategies and then deploying them when you need to solve problems - there isn't a single method that works.
In the first strategy, you used Ozone 11, and then in the second strategy, you applied the dynamic EQ, but you didn’t disable Ozone 11. You also did the same in the other strategies. So, do you always use Ozone 11 in combination with one of the other strategies?
Each strategy is not exactly mutually exclusive - you can definitely mix and match as you see fit or as you need to. Like all things mixing, there isn't just one path - you have many options and strategies available, and ultimately need to use your judgement to discern which strategy will work, and sometimes be bold enough to stack them if need be to achieve your desired outcome (like ya boy 5 did here) ;) Hope this helps.
Good question! I believe i was here for this quick demo, but generally I will play with those settings and even use the M/S mode if it makes sense. Perhaps I should revisit this in a future video dedicated to automation-style solutions only ;)
@@5piece oh nice, I didn't even see the M/S mode cool! Yea I had seen Jaycen Joshua adjusting those parameters back in the day but it wasn't a 2 track so I think he could take more liberty with those settings... was curious to see your approach to that. Thanks so much looking forward to more vids from you Sir!
Watch what I do with an EQ at 37:11 and how I find the most intelligible frequency of the vocal that way. Then use that information and set your high and low cut in the trackspacer to mirror that
What are you referring to exactly by "do this"? If you're referring to shooting the video after I mixed the song, then technically YES but of course after removing what I did in the mix and basically re-creating it during each section of the video to demonstrate the points I'm making (otherwise my videos would be hours long of me working through things). Plus sometimes I make a decision in the moment that I later, after a break and listen on fresh ears, decide to remove/undo so I'd rather demonstrate something closer to the final product with committed decisions. If you meant something else, let me know, and I'll try to help,
This guy says we should use a transient shaper on the beat as it creates more room for the vocals, while you say to leave the beat alone, who's right? th-cam.com/video/B_bhf_K9hFw/w-d-xo.html
Nobody is right or wrong - they're all different strategies. A single video doesn't dictate what anyone should do 100% of the time (including my own). You should therefore acquire as many strategies as you can and then use them when the time comes. Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it won't but most importantly you'll be using your judgement and taste in real time to make the best call. And worth saying: just because I DIDN'T include a strategy doesn't mean that I don't use it ever ;) There's tons of stuff that didn't make this video because honestly, this is a nuanced and evolving topic. My focus here was try to give you the stuff that I know will work more often than not (at least from my POV at the time) - I still left plenty room on the table for more later.
Everyone else seems to say I'm making tons of sense here, so I have to assume there is a misunderstanding here. The only part I notice I'm clipping at is early on during the SETTING LEVELS section, where I fully address and discuss that (at 8:05) and explain how later in the video we're going to address things. To paraphrase, I admit that things are loud (and implying the clipping) and then encourage you to not worry about that and instead focus on achieving an optimal blend as later on in the video we'll take some steps to fix this (and much later in the video, I specifically re-blend the instrumental and vocal as a step to help mitigate this). In my experience, you'll likely revisit your levels a few times - especially as you add processing and other things. If you didn't make it that far into the video, and didn't notice what I said there, then I can understand the confusion but encourage you to actually peep this from start to finish as all things are inevitably addressed in the end. If you're referring to a different part of the video, please let me know Also worth mentioning: are you HEARING clipping? Or simply seeing the meter go into the yellow? Just because a channel is clipping is not necessarily the same as it audibly clipping and producing negative artifacts. Many professional mixers purposely distort channels like this, but of course we know what we're doing and can mitigate the negative side. Food for thought.
Links to everything including plugins and song used can be found in the description 👀 hope this helps TH-cam family!
Do you have a video with this technique using logic?
@@SoloNtuneOfficialSorry, I don’t use Logic so I don’t have a video demonstrating the same lesson on it BUT everything shown in this video is easily replicated in Logic, and any DAW really. Nothing is Pro Tools specific other than the way it looks on screen
I’m so glad I googled how to mix on a mastered beat and you showed up on the top video suggested. I’ve spent countless hours learning how to mix and no one explains every step and thought process of the techniques is such detail. You are very good at explaining things in a understandable way. Definitely brought so much value to the table and the whole hiphop community as we all know how often a song is mixed on a one track instrumental. Thank you! Instantly subscribed and can’t wait to learn more from you!
Love to hear it. Welcome to the community and excited to help you more in future videos! 👊🏼
Thanks!
Thanks so much Michael! Really appreciate your support, means a lot and really helps the channel 🙏🏼
That imaging trick in method 1 really works it makes the vocals mesh with the beat so well good job brother. GREAT Tutorial!
Thank you! Glad you found that one helpful. I definitely agree. Can be super subtle but effective enough 👊🏼
I have came across so many people who sing over master beat due to them not having the equipment to mix and master like most of us, this is such a BIG HELP!, i usually just turn down the gain of the beat but after trying this out. holy cow, what a difference! THANK YOU! good mixing!
Totally feel you! Made this one for folks just like you. Glad it helped 🙏🏼👊🏼
The only real video on the subject, no bullshit, pertinent and complete. Thanks sir.
THIS MIGHT BE THEE BEST MIXING VIDEO IVE SEEN IN YEARS
That means a lot! Thanks for watching 👊🏼
Top tier vid. Best mixing tutorial for 2 tracks I've seen.
Means a lot 🙏🏼 more THOROUGH vids coming soon 🤘🏻
I’m mainly only having problems with the low end of these beats, but tbf I ain’t seen a video that just says to leave the beat at the beginning or compress it so I will definitely try it method since one I’m working has some quite sections like this. Except I have had better results with waves center that ozone imager
I never seen anyone break it down like this. I have to try these steps and see if they work for me. I only mix to 2 track beats since stems are pretty expensive
Totally. I also haven’t seen anyone break this down like this, which is why I made this video. As they say “be the change you want to see in the world” - let me know if this helps after implementing, even if it’s just one thing that works better 👊🏼
@@5piece Will do! I am literally doing it now lol. I am halfway through, then I will test it with the mixdown I have done of the song before finding this vid. I did subscribe as well
@@5piece So I have finished one song and I may not have taken as much time as I have wanted to on it but I notice some really good improvements. The first tip on gain staging and clip gaining to -0.1 then moving the fader on the beat down to around -6db was a good tip. Before, I was just putting the trim plugin on the beat track and pulling the beat down that way. Running the vocals and beat to their Aux tracks were a good tip as well. I was able to do some serious volume matching with the vocals and beat with the fader trick. The bx compressor on the beat aux really brought out the beat as well. Lastly, trackspacer and only using it around 1k and 5k did some good as well. I was doing it at 300 hz and 3k. I will sit down and spend more time on fine tuning more but I do like the results. I do have issues with 2-track beats and the bass or low end being to boomy and high to where I cannot push the mastering to much. Not sure if you made a vid on that but that would help. It could be that the beats I am getting are not that high quality but I am unsure
@@Ayedeezzyawesome, glad to hear all of these little tips have made a difference! Using a trim plugin actually could work just fine, so long as you follow a similar principle (bringing it down -6db ish to start and going from there)
I honestly don’t have a video on treating low end / boomy tracks like that just yet but I appreciate you pointing that out so I can add it to the list and see what I can do in upcoming video. I would likely reach for a MB Comp or Dynamic EQ for that as well, so hopefully I can show off that approach in a video soon.
Appreciate you reporting back on this! 👊🏼
@@5piece no problem and thank you for sharing!
videos like this remind me that even with the 2 track, I STILL HAVE CONTROL OVER EVERYTHING!!! 🔥🔥🔥
You can definitely make it work if you’re strategic 😉
HI !greetings from spain, i am speechless, you are the best!!!, i have been studying this for 2 years, i have seen all kinds of engineers, but the only one who has explained everything and i mean EVERYTHING including db and volume of each sound, has been you, really thank you very much.!!
From 🇨🇦 to 🇪🇸 to the 🌍! Appreciate you for rocking with me and showing love!
Amazing breakdown. As a bedroom artist, you're a godsend. Bless, my brotha.
Woah perfect timing. You’re a kind reader and it’s 40 mins. Major W.
Appreciate you 👊🏼 it’s long, but it’s in-depth and really does cover what I think is the most important stuff to be mindful of. Hope it helps 🙏🏼
You just gave out some serious sauce🔥!
You already know! Still got more up the sleeve though so stay tuned for upcoming vids 👀
Thanks for this video it definitely helped 🙏🏾 I would love to see a follow up on mastering for this
Appreciate you! Working on something as we speak 😉
Great instrumental
Also, this must now be the best and most thorough video on how to do this properly. Thanks.
Thank you for posting this excellent video - very much appreciated.
You're very welcome! Glad it helped 🙏🏼👊🏼
I've been struggling with this for so long but you explained this so well. I cant wait to try this out 👏
You got this! Happy to help my friend 👊🏼
Great video! Really learned a lot. Sat thru the whole video completely intrigued and entertained ❕
Really glad to hear that. This is definitely one of my longer ones too 😅 appreciate your support! 🙏🏼
Thanks man, great video! Really helpful...
Glad it helped!
This shit so fire bro. More gems for the mental file cabinet
Thanks for making this video bro!
No problem. I got you 👊🏼
Best tutorial i ever came across appreciate it !!
Happy it helped! Thank you for watching 🙏🏼
Hey quick question man i’ll say i’m at an intermediate level of mixing vocals after about 2 years now . Is there a way i could send or email you a mix just for a second opinion? I feel i’m stuck somewhere just don’t know where .
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Appreciate you!
Thanks man! This is really helpful! Keep these coming 🙏🙌
Appreciate you! Glad it’s helpful and more is definitely on the way 🚀
This was great thank you so mich
5 another great great video..Appreciate you my G
Thank you my friend. Appreciate you rocking with me as always! 🙏🏼
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Thank you! Cheers! 🙏🏼
New subscriber
Im taking a step back to get my levels more correct. Question- do you know a ruff estimate on how much a 1 time mixing engineer would be and would they suggest recording at levels -10db to -20db before sending them the vocals
Thank you
Appreciate this question. Lots of variables here, like all things mixing, there isn't exactly a one-size fits all answer.
Mixing engineers range from $50 to thousands depending on the person's experience and track record. I find a happy medium for an actual, GOOD engineer is at least $300-$500 per song, but it really depends.
Low price points PROBABLY mean the engineer is probably inexperienced or templating everything to the point where your record may come out good, or not even close. Good if your music is "cookie-cutter" but I find every song is unique and requires its own love and attention.
A good mixer will obviously mix music that is similar to what you make, and music that you think sounds good (otherwise, why hire them!?). They'll also work with you, communicate clearly throughout the process regarding what's required and timelines, provide revisions in case they don't nail it on mix 1, and in the end, give you everything you need to release the song properly (including radio edits, performance edits, DJ packs and so on). Or at least, an engineer like ME would do that ;)
In terms of recording level headroom, yes - you'll want to have headroom on vocal recordings. I did a video on this many years ago, but its worth revisiting: th-cam.com/video/xF0XDNb8Jck/w-d-xo.htmlsi=A0vCTAmgVItm31lr
U got any slots open to mix for a new client? Nevermind I went to the website. I will be submitting for a quote.
Sounds good! Feel free and we’ll go from there 👌🏼
Ur the man 🎉
Should i use strategy 1 sidebyside with strategy 2 or 3 ?? , or should i use only 1 strategy at a time ?? . if i'm use the trackspacer strategy should i use it with strategy 1 ?? . thank you
I can't tell you which will work best in your scenario because every one is different - therefore you need to use your judgement and experiment to find what sounds best.
If it was me, I'd try each strategy one by one (and even combine them, which I did at times in this video) until I achieve my desired outcome. Mixing is simply acquiring many strategies and then deploying them when you need to solve problems - there isn't a single method that works.
Do you have any templates available?
In the first strategy, you used Ozone 11, and then in the second strategy, you applied the dynamic EQ, but you didn’t disable Ozone 11. You also did the same in the other strategies. So, do you always use Ozone 11 in combination with one of the other strategies?
Each strategy is not exactly mutually exclusive - you can definitely mix and match as you see fit or as you need to.
Like all things mixing, there isn't just one path - you have many options and strategies available, and ultimately need to use your judgement to discern which strategy will work, and sometimes be bold enough to stack them if need be to achieve your desired outcome (like ya boy 5 did here) ;)
Hope this helps.
@@5piece thank you brother that was very helpfull!!
King ❤ Thank you so kuch
I got you! 🙏🏼👊🏼 thanks for watchinf
Thanks so much for the video Dan, hey are you using the default attack and release on Trackspacer?
Good question! I believe i was here for this quick demo, but generally I will play with those settings and even use the M/S mode if it makes sense. Perhaps I should revisit this in a future video dedicated to automation-style solutions only ;)
@@5piece oh nice, I didn't even see the M/S mode cool! Yea I had seen Jaycen Joshua adjusting those parameters back in the day but it wasn't a 2 track so I think he could take more liberty with those settings... was curious to see your approach to that. Thanks so much looking forward to more vids from you Sir!
Shit sound good asf watching this in my car
Love to hear it
Top down mixing vídeo 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Glad I got your vote ! 👊🏼
How can i find my vocal frequency for the trackspacer, should i Lowcut 500 and highcut 4000hz in trackspacer ?
Watch what I do with an EQ at 37:11 and how I find the most intelligible frequency of the vocal that way. Then use that information and set your high and low cut in the trackspacer to mirror that
thank you so much now i get it @@5piece
@@InaktiverUserI got you 👊🏼
You do this after you have mixed the song ?
What are you referring to exactly by "do this"?
If you're referring to shooting the video after I mixed the song, then technically YES but of course after removing what I did in the mix and basically re-creating it during each section of the video to demonstrate the points I'm making (otherwise my videos would be hours long of me working through things). Plus sometimes I make a decision in the moment that I later, after a break and listen on fresh ears, decide to remove/undo so I'd rather demonstrate something closer to the final product with committed decisions.
If you meant something else, let me know, and I'll try to help,
We need a estimated level on how loud the vocal should be
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What DAW is this you’re using?
Avid Pro Tools
This feels like cheating 😭🔥 thanks bro you just saved my mix
Knowledge is power 🚀 glad to be of service
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How much do you charge for a mix ??
Would love to help. Submit a quote request here: 5piecemusic.com/mixing-mastering-quote/
Next up 3D Vocal mixing? i would love that 5. :)
Appreciate the suggestion! Will add it to the list and see what I can do my friend 🙏🏼
name of the artist please
“Thessaloniki” by EverythingOShauN- you can find a link to song in the video description 🤘🏻
Show the actual vocal track
And are you using a vox bus your missin out on the important stuff
This guy says we should use a transient shaper on the beat as it creates more room for the vocals, while you say to leave the beat alone, who's right?
th-cam.com/video/B_bhf_K9hFw/w-d-xo.html
Both. It depends on the individual beat! Thats the point there isn’t a one size fits all you need to listen and decide
Nobody is right or wrong - they're all different strategies. A single video doesn't dictate what anyone should do 100% of the time (including my own). You should therefore acquire as many strategies as you can and then use them when the time comes. Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it won't but most importantly you'll be using your judgement and taste in real time to make the best call.
And worth saying: just because I DIDN'T include a strategy doesn't mean that I don't use it ever ;) There's tons of stuff that didn't make this video because honestly, this is a nuanced and evolving topic. My focus here was try to give you the stuff that I know will work more often than not (at least from my POV at the time) - I still left plenty room on the table for more later.
Yo master is clipping your not making sense
Everyone else seems to say I'm making tons of sense here, so I have to assume there is a misunderstanding here.
The only part I notice I'm clipping at is early on during the SETTING LEVELS section, where I fully address and discuss that (at 8:05) and explain how later in the video we're going to address things.
To paraphrase, I admit that things are loud (and implying the clipping) and then encourage you to not worry about that and instead focus on achieving an optimal blend as later on in the video we'll take some steps to fix this (and much later in the video, I specifically re-blend the instrumental and vocal as a step to help mitigate this).
In my experience, you'll likely revisit your levels a few times - especially as you add processing and other things. If you didn't make it that far into the video, and didn't notice what I said there, then I can understand the confusion but encourage you to actually peep this from start to finish as all things are inevitably addressed in the end.
If you're referring to a different part of the video, please let me know
Also worth mentioning: are you HEARING clipping? Or simply seeing the meter go into the yellow? Just because a channel is clipping is not necessarily the same as it audibly clipping and producing negative artifacts. Many professional mixers purposely distort channels like this, but of course we know what we're doing and can mitigate the negative side. Food for thought.