The New BMC Teammachine is (Almost) Perfect | The NERO Show Ep. 53
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Chapters
00:00 intro
00:30 BMC TEAMMACHINE R
18:30 NEW BIKE FEELS
20:34 DEATH OF TRAINING SETUP
26:15 GRAVEL WORLD CHAMPS V2
38:15 PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE
48:49 WHO DO YOU CALL?
52:23 HYDRA-PACK FLEX
55:15 ADS IN THE SHOW
Footage courtesy of:
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@PatrickLino
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I absolutely love the new BMC I’m a huge sucker for aero bikes. And this too me is an ideal look for aero bike for me ❤❤
I might have to get one!!😊
I really enjoy mine, its fast, light, great handling and acceleration, holds speed extremely well with ENVE 6.5 wheels.. S-WORKS SL7 + Trek Madone SLR = BMC Teammachine R 01
HED cycling did a focus group for their wheels, I was apart of it, it was a lot of talk on shape, carbon lay up, color, hubs, ect ect. It was really really fun to be apart of it being that I am local to the company. Each person that was apart of it received a discount code to use towards a HED product.
Thanks for the info!
Tupperware tea party, nice
Love that Keegan didn’t make any excuses after crashing as well. He’s the real deal
im not sure how that gravel compares to what he's used to or other technical aspects, but i know the short course may not play to his strengths.
Hi wife of a cyclist here. my husband can 100% call me for a flat tire. is he out riding while I'm working? sure. we have our own hobbies though. I get to do my things as well. yes we have kids and things to do in the house, but we share those respbilities. He rides 300 miles a week and it's not an issue!
You have to take into consideration these guys are afraid to call their wives, and refer to them as their "partners".
@@charliedillon1400Don’t be a wanker
A cyclist’s wife stumbled on a cycling podcast? Rare 👌🏼
I used to take my kids with me in the Burley on some group rides when they were younger. My wife never complained. Once they got older, they moved to a trailer bike. Trek made one with 6 gears, which they learned how to shift gears by the time they were 8, they were on geared bikes. One had a Kona Jake 24 CX bike, the other was on a Felt F24. One is 21 and the other 17 and they still ride today.
Lmao this sounds so made up
For Gravel Worlds starting position was based on UCI points. Keegan had a mid pack start at best, so him being able to make up that ground to even make the first group selection is an accomplishment. He also mentioned that the 2nd group didn't have any motivation to try and bridge.
EDIT: I'd also like to see what a 5-7 hour race would look like.
It was 5 hours and guys Mohoric Just get better the longer it is
I think Keegan's call up position was more or less at the back. Don't think he has any UCI points to speak of.
@@christianschwedler2447 His only UCI race was Cape Epic
Yes, that was it. I heard it on the Adventure Stache podcast but can't quite remember what his ultimate call up range was. But it was something really bad. Wasn't it in the 180-ish range? Even if it wasn't quite that bad, he must have spent quite some energy in the first 30 minutes to ultimately show up on G2. Really, really impressive!
This show is the best. I always appreciate both of your perspectives, thank you. No connections for me when it comes to the major bike brands. One can only dream one day haha. - P.S. I may be looking for a training coach next season.
Alright wooooooo. Hopefully they don’t have some wacky feminist on this time ❤
congrats man! I'm a big fan of your work!
Hey, don't go GCN on us Patrick! Bloody hell.
Let's get Patrick on the Nero Show, please. 😀
Loving the reviews Patrick! Now we just need to get a Bianchi Oltre over to you somehow 😉
Spek and Trashelized! - Love it.
I wasn’t hearing things!
Thanks!
The "Who do you call?" segment at the end - that was certainly worth $2. Memories ...
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Re: planned obsolescence: if it's mechanical it's your job to keep it running. If it has software then you're only renting.
Is this really the case for electronic shifting? There are no meaningful functional improvements to be had and no security updates whatsoever. Also nobody expects compatibility between old and future groupsets really, mechanical doesn't solve this either. I don't think the usual software rules apply here. What are your examples?
@@macht4turbo if you crash and need to replace components, how are you going to pair them if your masters decide that their app doesn't support this particular electronic groupset generation anymore?
@@channul4887 Come on, don't be hyperbolic, how are you repairing a broken mechanical derailleur, when your old mechanical groupset doesn't have replacement parts anymore? Products had lifecycles all along. Don't get me wrong, that should be as long as possible, but electronics don't always make everything worse...Batteries should always be user replaceable for example. With sustainability being a big factor right now and for the forseeable future as well, manufacturers will have to adapt to that as well.
@@macht4turbo"how are you repairing a broken mechanical derailleur, when your old mechanical groupset doesn't have replacement parts anymore?"
Give me an example of mechanical groupset that can't be fixed. I'll wait patiently.
And besides, my point wasn't about spares - these can always be fabricated. It's the legacy software that is the problem. You can have a warehouse of spares, but if you can't use them because you're limited by software, that warehouse is worthless.
Mechanicals except full meltdown or crashed with a press they can repaired. The problem with electronics is that they stop logic boards to be fabricated, they change ports and voltages and you end up with a brick where no parts are available unless you find new old stock or used from some marketplace.
I watch you guys while I’m doing my zone 2 now
Pair that with the Wild Ones podcast to have enough time in your zone 2 ;)
In Vic, the RACV offer a ‘Bike Assist’ package that will come and rescue you when you get mechanicals. It also comes as part of the car Total Care package.
Hey it's 2023, no more kink shaming! I personally love the look of it but agree. It would be perfect if it had 32 clearance.
You've probably been told a hundred times by now, but Payson McElveen has done what you asked and ridden the gravel worlds with a camera recording the first hour highlights of carnage. Great POV footage.
The trimob kit in the background! Deadly!
that stem into paint job on the BMC is so sick, and they look even nicer in real life, the occasional time I've seen one in real life (the previous version) I've thought they look sweet
I think with the BMC Teammachine R, the best option is to build it from frameset up. Frameset $6000, Wheels (your choice) $2000, groupset - discounted SRAM Red $2000-$3000. Still come in $2-3k cheaper.
Happy to see Patrick Lino being mentioned on the show, I love his content!
DUDE, if you thought Keegan was supposed to win this race you better start watching more cycling. That's ridiculous. The fact that Keegan got in the top 10 is an enormous accomplishment. For F' sakes, he beat Wout! Yes, Wout wrecked...so did Keegan, multiple times. I was hoping for top 20 at best for Keegan. He is a monster here in America, but lets face it, cycling isn't the same animal here as in Europe. With all that said, make this race a proper American Gravel race, double the distance and make it as much gravel as possible and Keeg's may have won this. Bravo Keegan, made America proud.
Yep amazing performance. Prepared to have my mind changed on my original take.
Chris, by far the best gloves I ever used (have a couple of pairs now, as they are favs) are Sportful. Even when I crashed and broke my hand, gloves are just fine still even after sliding on the hand for a couple of meters. Can't recommend them enough. And they fit my hand perfectly as well.
Second that - though i wasn't as surprised as i've bought Sportful bib shorts/tights and jerseys because of the high quality of their products which they sell at very reasonable prices.
Hey guys, thanks for the heads up. I'll check them out
What style of Sportful glove do you have?
@@larrymcgoldrick3471 I have a pair of the TC Gloves (total comfort) Sportful gloves but these are for super long days. These are fingerless.
My favourite fingerless gloves these days are the Santini Brisk gloves which I now pretty much all the time and rate these the best I've ever owned. They are pretty cheap to buy at 35 UKP and aero to boot. They are light, discreetly padded you don't even notice you have them on.
@@larrymcgoldrick3471 These are my favs - Sportful Neo glove ; These are good for the hottest of days - Sportful Air 21; and these are if you are looking for "slick" gloves, but are my least favourites of the three - Sportful Race 21. The point is, they really fit nicely on my hands and the bottom is made of a strong material and they didn't tear even when I fell and was sliding on the road for a couple of meters. Nothing visible on them and got additional points in my book after that.
I think it's called the Teammachine because it has the same geometry as the SLR but in the most aero form.
Presumably if they still do a time machine it would have a more "aero" longer lower geometry.
Great show guys 👌
I have a mid compact, so my biggest gear is 52-11. The only time I've ever spun it out, and could have needed more, was downhill through the Legacy Way Tunnel in this years Tour de Brisbane. 115rpm and 70km/h for a couple of minutes was a pain in the backside. But that's the only time.
Gloves for the win
To train I run a set of alloy Velocity A23 with ultegra hubs and gatorskin tires, I switch to ZIPP 404 firecrest tubulars with veloflex pro tour race tires. Feels so good
Specialized gloves have worked for me for. Low profile and they hold up well. Body Geometry Grail Short Finger Gloves
Can confirm specialized does focus group testing.
I opted for TH-cam premium about 4 months ago and WOW why didn’t I do it before!! Fantastic as I’m a huge You Tube watcher. Great episode guys…👏🏻👍🏻
Thanks man!
Chris wearing his PATTERSON PASS T-SHIRT YAY Norcal represent
Chris for gloves I like the handup "most days" gloves. They're relatively thin and have lasted a year so far. The mesh gloves are nice for summer riding but only last me about half a year.
Thanks for the tip!
Thanks Chris and Jesse!
BMC have problems with arithmetics, the top end model is priced at 14,999€ but if you source the components individually online and only buy the frameset from BMC, you can build that same model for around 10,700€!!
DT Swiss ARC 1100 DICUT db 62 Wheelset: 1,800€
SRAM RED eTap AXS 2x12 Groupset with Hydraulic Disc Brakes & Quarq Powermeter: 2,900€
BMC Frame + Handlebars + bottle cages as per the website: 5,999€
Total: 10,699€
So that leaves 4,301€ for what, the saddle & bottom bracket???????
Cancellara owns the Tudor team, so his ambassadorship is kinda a given. It's also more of a developing squad with ambitions to compete at the top level one day.
Jesse made quite a statement with that shirt! Great show guys.
more or less than the pic without socks on the Giant 😂
Audio top notch. Good work guys.
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5:57 been riding 32mm with TPU tubes and OMG you dont wanna stop riding
Always watch your show on YT - making the leap to premium . Good to know it’s the best way to help you guys. Good chat boys ✅
56-42 is the only chainring choice that's respectable
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As usual awesome job guys🤙🏼 the sound is finally better👍🏼
Trust me mate, it was a MASSIVE relief to finally get that sorted.
@25:00 Hi Chaps, Yes, the clunker is the way to go. I run the Marathon 365s and also some Maxxis gravel tyres on the all-year bike. However, the front sus fork (2.5kgs) has gone! A steel 1.2kg fork has replaced it. Ill be flying up the climbs now the clunker is 14kgs ;) The race bike is 6.5kgs for reference. @25:50 Roeckl gloves for the win.
Glad the audio got sorted out. Keep up the good work.
At Unbound a couple years ago, the Trek team had bladder pockets sewn into their skinsuits. I have a pic of Keil Reinjen's up close. Pretty slick setup.
photo of Jesse riding the Airhub - NO SOCKS !! Must be a Sydney thing !
You guys need to do a show with Patrick Lino. Cool guy great content and I've learned alot from him.
Chainrings: when the smallest cogs dropped from 14 in the 60’s to 13 in the ‘80’s, the 52or 53 /42 was standard. When 12 in the’90’s then 11 in the 2000’s the compact 50/34 equaled the top gear and allowed for better climbing. Now with a 10 the average rider can use a 48 or 44 sub compact, have an even better low gear.
Remember that corn cob 5 speed freewheels have moved to 11-34 cassettes with 12 gears.
All great for us older punters!
Gravel worlds has the same issues MTB marathon have in that its very hard to film because of the course.
At least the Gravel Worlds got some live coverage; the XC Marathon got nothing. A few minutes of highlights was all we got to see.
'Planned obsolescence' interestingly dates to at least the 1920s when international lightbulb manufacturers conspired ( really - it was known as the Phoebus Cartel ) to manufacture bulbs that needed replacing at about 1000 hours.
Cream of the Crop and not one mention of Macho Man Randy Savage. Because the cream always rises to the top
Love the Patterson Pass RR shirt! One of the hardest and hottest race I’ve done. 😅
agreed
When Diamondback did the Podium, a great bike btw, they started with the wheels then designed the frame around that configuration. A few years ago I went to the Canyon store in Carlsbad and told them I'd be interested in the Aeroad if I they would make it a bit more comfortable, shorter and higher, just barely, and room for bigger tires. They looked at me like, "Who do you think you are?" Two years later they built the bike I asked for and I bought it.
So you asked them to make an aeroad into an Endurace and you’re surprised they raised an eyebrow?
I have the podium, super interesting to know!
@@doindumbstuff4119 Imagine how surprised I was when they updated the Aeroad doing exactly what I said I wanted.
Have a training wheel setup with disc brakes. Can get shims to alight rotors on multiple wheel sets. Also allows for pit wheels.
Love the pod! Y’all should include a link in the description to the kits 🤙🏼
Listening to your chainring chat made me realize that an interview of Russ from Pathlesspedaled by you two would be very interesting. Y’all could not be more different from him in terms of cycling interests/priorities, and I think that would make for a fascinating episode. I like and appreciate all cycling TH-cam, and seeing such different cycling TH-cam personalities interact would be great.
He's mentioned Path Less Pedaled as a channel he would never watch and has no interest in.
That is what would make it fascinating.
When Trek, Lance, and Steve Hed, were designing the Equinox tri-bike, they wanted to know if the geometry was right for tall riders. A mechanic at my LBS, 6' 4", did triathlons, tested it for them, I bought that bike and can say it can go fast in a straight line. Think that's the kind of ficus group you're looking for.
If you see how the Cape Epic is covered, they could take a few pages from that book.
Yeah, but I think the Cape Epic has more money to enable the live coverage.
One of the first things I did when I got my new bike (first Disc) in Jan was to by a set of training wheels. Keep the good carbon for racing with slick tires and alloy (ok DT SWISS so good alloy) with harder commutating tires.
Gloves: Started riding road bikes after years of MTB. I wear the Troy Lee Designs Ace 2.0 gloves for EVERYTHING. They are light, comfy, no Velcro closure, touch sensetive thumb and index finger tips, and they just last! I've never had any issues with not being able to feel the shifters or anything like that due to the full fingers. Definitely give them a try.
Thanks for sharing
I'm very tempted to get the BMC Teammachine R 🤤
It's so good!
@ChrisMillerCycling I'm keen on the red and dark maroon one, mate!! But the ETA isl March 2024
"its 2024" video from the future 😂. Seriously though the clearance should be wider at that price. Always liked BMC framesets they seem to be quality. That old Mac is going to boot up randomly and I'm going to run for the door
My uni apparently also do focus groups/Human-Factors research for cycling/cycling related brands. I know that they did a cycling-chamois project for VAUDE, which would also include asking people what they want from a chamois. I think Simplon also did something, though I'm not sure
Audio is so much better!
I'm a lightweight climber. I've had compacts since my first road bike in 2010. Perfect for me not being a powerful guy and lots of steep climbs in the area. Only had an issue a few times in races on slight downhills with a big tailwinds. Riders/mates made fun of me in a light-hearted way all the time back in the day for having a compact. Not because it was a "disadvantage", but because "hard men" rode 53-39's lol
The audio has worked! Yippee!! 🤣🤣🤣
Gloves...bought a pair of Supacaz on special from Pushys -
Sounds great!
On the Gravel Worlds, I believe that the way the UCI has positioned the race, it will always suffer from the impression of not being 'legitimate gravel'. The UCI has put the race late in the season (and likely anchored it in Europe) for the sole purpose of attracting the World Tour road riders. The UCI should allow existing major gravel races to bid go host the Gravel Worlds, potentially awarding multi-year contracts and allow the event to be held in the heart of the gravel season (May - August). The would allow the riders that are legitimately competing as full gravel riders to have a reasonable shot at the title and it would also likely increase the stature of the event as a 'real' gravel event. As it is, the first two editions of the race certainly do not feel like they have done anything to respect what the sport of gravel racing has built.
Yeah, good point. However, they need the World Tour pros to 'sell' the event.
It also clashed with the final MTB World Cup, so none of them turned up....(though PFP was absent with Covid).
Big fan of the attaquer gloves.Summer and winter - both seemed to last well with regular washing machine cycles.
Re gloves, I have tried many many pairs. The AeroCoach AttackSpeed are by far the best I have used and they're aero :)
I have been using the Giro Hoxton for probably 10 years, they stopped making them except for the long fingers, and when I found out they stopped making them, I bought 3 more pair, and still have those 3 extra pair unused as these things last a long time. Merino tops, leather palms, no padding, and finger pulls on the top. I love them. I have longer finger versions for winter, but know a woman that said she could make short fingers out of them longer finger versions if needed in an hour. So far not need to go that way. They need to bring these gloves back.
You guys were cracking me up during the who do you call segment! And Chris on having unuseable chainrings, haha.
Also, got a youtube premium 3 month trial back in summer. It expired recently and I tried going back to ads....I paid for a year up front later that day. I watch more youtube than any other streaming service so its well worth the money.
Great show guys. IF I call my wife to get me, it is a given that I am taking her for breakfast... win win!
Yes23, jersey noted :)
Bar bag was a vibe call? Uugggh!! I can't even bring myself to attach one to my bike when I am doing an Etape or Marmotte type event.
Adverts, drop the read outs, annoying to skip on premium.Wack the automatic ads up to the max and let the penny pinchers suffer 😂
I read it is officially 30mm wide and probably can fit 32mm for the BMC Teammachine R 01
I recommend the Galibier Regale Leather gloves, not only do they look good (which is important for Chris), they do last (as long as you leather treatment every now and then) me a year as the only gloves in use, compared to regular gloves which last a few months in rotation.
re: Race vs training wheels - longtime racer here - the thought of not having a set of each, with durable tires on the training set - just boggles the mind. Fast, less durable race tires along with deep wheels for race day. Aluminum, wide hoops with big tires for long training miles in any condition. I'm not buying a new race bike without also buying a second set of race wheels at the same time.
Cool shirt Jesse!
13:15 im sorry, but youre kinda wrong about Tudor. They are quite prominent in Europe.
I have been in a focus group for specialized mountain bikes. It was during crankworx in Rotorua, I think payment was just in product. Not specific to a single bike but questions about what features mattered to us.
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I'd personally have loved to have seen a static pic of the BMC in a corner of your video while you're talking about the details of the frame!
Gearing: when I built my Allez with Ultegra 6800 I used a 53/39 and 11-32 with a long cage derailleur. I could climb, but I could also HAMNER descents! I've got it on a first gen venge now and there are descents that I can spin it out. Also, using bigger cogs in the flats/rollers, is slightly more efficient, (marginal gains?) So there's that too. I really like having the range.
About to build a 1x gravel bike with grx 12spd, 42 x 10-51
Tons of third-party AXS batteries exist and I’m sure SRAM will keep manufacturing the compatible batteries for a long, long time. They’ll probably even sell updated batteries as the tech improves. Also SRAM added 11-speed backward compatibility to its AXS shifters.
Cutting me deep Jessie. my iphone 7 is going strong and I have no plans to part with it any time soon. Although I may have to replace the battery again soon (for the fourth time..)
I thought you were about to chat about tyres, then you didn't. Is love to hear about gp5000 vs p zero and what did you guys ride in the wet. Everyone I know just doesn't ride in the wet, but I still ride to work. Great show guys, I listen to the pod cast, I come to TH-cam to comment.
So what is the opinion on the Wilier Triestina Filante SLR? A lightweight aero bike some 3 years ahead of the pack and still relevant today. Don't see many around though as it is in superbike territory with a superbike price!
"Badly Made Carbon, Bicycle Made Crap" - Hambini
I believe if you challenge someone to come up with a more complicated/confusing naming scheme as BMC did, they gonna have a hard time 😂😂 it’s not only the categories they also have stuff like Roadmachine01 and Roadmachine ONE … and then there is the Roadmachine01 one roadmachine01 two etc
I run a sub compact 48/32 with 11/34 cassette, but i also do bikepacking and i can't imagine doing that with a standard or even 52/36. For that matter i also run 32mm tires and wouldn't go any narrower any more.
Scandium Alloy is used at the highest level though. Gannas hour record bike is made of it. Anyways, I own a Standert myself and absolutely love it. Would be awesome if you get one Chris, and share your thoughts!
Twenty years ago I was in my 40s when late one Saturday night I had to call family and ask that they come and get me at a fuel station about 40 miles from home, just one of those things and I didn't see the problem with being helped after, sure, I fell short of my goal after a long week of work and was happily getting in a big ride that way. And all in all it was an unpleasant pick-up. And these days I would say, in general, that family needs to realize that cycling for us is largely a pursuit of health and fitness to meet the demands of life, an enjoyable pursuit, yet a challenge and hard work and such And in retrospect, I should've said something like that, but our society often has a disdain for exercise and personal inconvenience and that was the case that night. So maybe now I'd suggest that riders chat with their partners and request that they have their backs in case of a ride home or whatever. Not really a crime to get out there and ride your bike and you shouldn't have to feel guilty about needing help.
You need to see the race coverage from the Cape Epic from Sourh Africa. They are the best at live MTB/Dirt TV.
Yeh that’s true, it’s very well done
I have rear box rim training wheels and front older aero wheels and separate race wheels. Of course, I'm old.
Interested to hear what Chris thinks about Puck Moonen's new pinerello? Big fan
The marketing for the new bmc can’t have been that good - watching this video was first time seeing it 😂😂
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Yep, the "training bike" is steel, hub dynamo (for permanent lights vs the air hub), winterproof (and road salt rusted for extra drivetrain inefficiency), full fenders and rack and bags. The race bike has to be worth at least 100W.
Liked this one although too much time on the BMC, agreed with Jesse for the whole episode and he didn't say anything dumb for once, although I think he may have come close but thought better of it at one point 🤣
LoL😂
You’re the show that GCN wishes it was
I think that's debatable; GCN is still far too 'performance orientated' and doesn't do enough ordinary cycling; commuting/non-race Touring, etc
I dont need to watch ,I like in the first 5 seconds
My new favorite gloves: Castelli - Rosso Corsa Pro V or the Competizione 2. Minimal padding.
Chainring: Sram app tells you what chainring and sprocket you're on. Guess what, with the small chainrings and 12 speed, I'm generally in the middle of the cassette.
Perhaps chains will become obsolete, and a different drive paradigm altogether will transcend. Something even beyond belt drives might be waiting in the wings. Weather proof and less lubrication intense systems perhaps? I'm thinking in terms of decades, not just a few years. BTW, first nice road racing bike I had, in the late 80's, was a Dura Ace system with 53/42 chainrings, and a mostly straight block 12-21 eight speed cassette. Arrgh, that thing was a knee challenge!