I love this bike. Great review. I ride the Enve SES Aero bars that are flared like this at 37 top 42 drops. They are, by far, my favorite bars ever. The flare is completely appropriate for all situations. The narrow top is awesome, but the ability to also have a wider grip in the drops for sprinting is the absolute best. I would never pay that kind of money and have to settle for a 4 year old groupset. If I'm paying $16k for a bike, I'm building it the way I want from the ground up. I'm not sure I get who buys these super expensive bikes as is off the showroom floor.
I’ve been looking for a vid like this with full details from the RBf1 side. I’m in my early 50s, can turn the gear, and seriously love how the bike is the pinnacle of current design . Red Bull racing aero is Aidrian Newey and his team . He’s why red bull wins races. I’m getting one of these, it’s time I go nuts for one special bike. Sadly they are already hard to find arriving any time soon.
Great review. I do wonder how much fun riding on a race track actually is. Really cool conceptually, but I imagine riding on a track designed for 250kph and more makes you feel super slow when going 30-60kph :D
Generally, yes - it does feel like being a little toy in a giant's world. That said, it depends on the track. Dropping into Laguna Seca's corkscrew is cool on any bike. The Florida F1 track is dead flat and not the coolest place to ride a bike. Giant did a launch at Magny-Cours in France that was halfway in between, kinda like this Austin track. Bike races on a car track would also make for boring spectating, because the track is just so wide. It's like road stage races on giant US highways made for semis vs the Giro on tiny little serpentine lanes. Still cool to see the scene there in Austin. I don't care about car racing but I love to see fans fired up about their thing.
I did a 12H bike race in Monza, from sunset to dawn, it was fun because we were doing relays and we were at night with lights etc. but I wouldn't do it daytime, especially because I have driven (cars and motorbikes) pretty hard on the same track and it is meant to be driven/ridden full gas. That BMC looks speedy though.
I used to take my bike to the racetracks I rode my moto on. The first thing you realize is that that flat straight road you think it is on the motorcycle is actually a 5% climb in some cases 🤣 Places you wouldn't think to be a big grade are sometimes almost double digits! It's alright but the racetracks are soooooo wide. Riding on tight, technical canyon roads will always be more fun for going slow. If you're on a fast moto or car, those tracks get tight and technical, very fast :)
Top tier bike, F1 technology, worked on by the best aerodynamicists. Targeted for the masses but built for the pros, alongside a pro pricetag. I wish you goodluck BMC, you will need it.
Basically the same geo but stiffer. I love the SLR, for the record. Definitely an out-an-out race bike but just a skootch less aggressive on the front end than most, and what strikes me as a perfect balance of compliance and stiffness. I have relatively broad shoulders so a 40cm bar would still be aggressive for me. Normally I ride a 42. I rode a 44 for 10+ years.
@TheRidewithBenDelaney ok, thanks for that!! I own the SLR01.. I have heard from a few sources now the R is extremely stiff, best for racing, and the SLR01 is better, all rounder... Yeah the 36cm bars seem too narrow.. I agree a size 40cm bar would of been better! I rider 42cm prefer the leverage like you said, especially off the saddle up hills..
Hi Ben, I am in the market for a new ride and have come down to two bikes the BMC Teammachine R and the Specialized Tarmac SL8 S-Works. I am from Austin and curious to know how you found the Team Machine R on the Austin road's vs the track at COTA. I am also curious to know what it is like in Cross Winds and does the lower bottom bracket affect the ground clearance if you where to Crit race this bike? You made reference to the Specialized Venge. Is the Team Machine R as stiff as the Venge or stiffer?
Hey Geoff. Crosswind feel is definitely about the wheels, right? The DT's on the top model are decent there, but perhaps not the absolutely best for stability. Some brands lean more towards wind tunnel speed, some more towards stable feel. I just did the two ride and didn't have crazy gusts to deal with. In general, the wider the rim (for the same depth), the more stable the things feel. For BB drop, my notes have it at 69mm, vs 72 Tarmac, 70 Madone, 73 Melee, etc. So no worries there. R vs Venge for perceived stiffness? Shoot, man - the differences are way too small and the time between riding the two bikes way too great for me to say anything of value there! Good luck and have fun.
Hi Ben appreciate your feedback, so thank you so much for your response. I have ridden the SL8 over 30km and it felt smooth and very efficient to ride, it has a very compliant riding style nowhere as stiff as the Venge. I am not able to ride the BMC R so just trying to decide which way to go. @@TheRidewithBenDelaney
My dream is that the UCI mandates that if a brand is to sponsor a professional team, these brands are restricted to making one road bike that will receive UCI approval. This would reduce confusion for consumers about which bike is the "best" road bike for their riding style. This would encourage companies and consumers to think more about the things that actually matter when it comes to going fast and being comfortable, which are wheels, tires, gearing, and contact points/positioning of the rider. We would see fewer chassis being offered, but likely more emphasis put into how they are built up. So, in the case of Canyon, you would have a road bike that was perhaps slightly heavier than the Ultimate, slightly less aero than the Aeroad, and slightly less compliant than the Endurace, rolled into one chassis, and then you would have the option of 60/45/35 rims, 25, 28, 32 tires, 54+40/52+36/etc rings, zero setback+long and slammed cockpit/15mm setback + short and tall cockpit. Every frame seemingly becoming aero, light and integration already has us about 90% of the way here already. For instance, an Endurace with 60mm rims with 25c tires, a 53+39, 11-30 cassette, sized down with a ton of saddle-bar drop and a 120 stem with 40c bars is WAAAYYYYY more of a race bike than a Aeroad with 30mm rims, 30c tires, 50/34 +11-36, and a stack of spacers under the short stem with 44cm bars. And likewise, that Aeroad would be close to the Endurace in terms of comfort if they were both set up this way. So, Canyon would end up making the Ultimate a bit heavier and more aero to approach the Aeroad, with slightly longer and slacker geo to approach the Endurace, and then have all the options available above when you order the Ultimaerondurace, and people would actually end up with a bike that suits their exact needs.
Engineers always have a range of modulus fibers to work with, balancing stiffness (modulus) with strength. High modulus typically means lower impact strength. So I assume what he meant by 'more aggressive' in their choice was favoring more high modulus than BMC had done. Good question. Road.cc has a good explain on carbon in bikes here: road.cc/content/feature/what-does-ud-woven-and-high-modulus-fibre-mean-292479
Here's the 'we're not giving anything away' response I got from BMC: ""The choice of carbon fibre was based on a joint mission for a stiffer and lighter frame, which involved a refined recipe with different ingredients.” So hopefully my first answer was more helpful. Cheers.
It is surprising that there's no Red Bull logo or flair. It seems like someone who bought it/bought into it in part for that F1 vibe would want some visual representation of that.
When talking to a BMC rep at Gran Fondo Asheville, they stated that the Timemachine Road name is dead and will only be used for the Time Trial bikes going forward.
If could buy the bike would just the replace bars/ stem to some other bar/stem that fit better right away. Or nor even have shop not install the them install the the ones I choose. Bar that small will work with smaller people or smooth roads but taller people/ rough pavement the stock bar got a go. Size 60/XL frame with such small bars seems out place and not comfortable. BMC would been better to have three sizes of their bar/stem then match to fame size. The philosophy of narrow bar is there but need range to make or work for various types of people.
"Not an aero bike" clearly means that Timemachine replacement is coming soon. That's fine, but the naming scheme is weird then. Teammachine SLR and R, then a Timemachine...?
I still ride 2019 Giant TCR Advanced with mechanical 105, only paid $900 for it, can't really see the point in paying 10x as much to go 2mph faster (maybe)
I enjoy my 2017 BMC Teammachine .I also have a Spez Roubaix and a new Cannondale topstone gravel bike . Since buying the Topstone ,it is the only bike i ride . Tubeless 38mm tyres are as fast as road ones and the bike is heaps more versatile . I can keep up with the roadies and i am faster if the road surface is rough . BMC is a top bike ,but it is for racing full on .Bike for the pro,s that get paid to suffer .I want to ride fast but comfortable .Get a gravel bike like the Topstone
How many bikes would achieve the gains of this bike if you simply put 36 cm bars on? I'm guessing almost all. And, 36 is too narrow for many if not most men, and some women, too.
Depends on the rider. I'm 6 ft (183 cm) tall but have narrow shoulders, and ride bars 38 cm bars that measure 36.5 cm at the hoods because I actually find them more comfortable. I originally tried narrow bars just to get more aero, but now have a more natural hand position.
The bike industry really has lost its mind. It’s no wonder that the tax payer has had to bail this company out recently. How the hell can you not spec how wide the bars are on a 15k bike. Mindblowing how ridiculous this sounds. It’s easy to see why canyon are the only bike manufacturers with growth forecasts for this year. And while I’m on this rant. There’s absolutely no way this bike has the aero gains they’re publishing. It’s impossible and complete BS.
FUGLY But "Hey, it's F1 something, something" And everyone knows F1 is great, right? Boring-as-hell to watch these daze but people just love to watch cubic money being wasted I guess? Is there ANYTHING more dull than riding a bicycle around a motor racing circuit? Perhaps a stationary trainer? Did they explain why the team they used to supply bikes to ditched them? Is any pro team gonna take BMC/RedBull's fat chex to ride 'em next season? Are these made in their state-of-the-art Swiss factory?
I really hope you get 10X the subscribers. Your content is so much more realistic then the others just pushing market info.
Hey, me too! I appreciate the support.
Love the “what does need have to do with it?!” 🙌🙌🙌🤗🤗🤗😂
Thanks, Ben. I really enjoy your videos. I feel that you thread the bike review needle, which is not easy, the best.
I love this bike. Great review. I ride the Enve SES Aero bars that are flared like this at 37 top 42 drops. They are, by far, my favorite bars ever. The flare is completely appropriate for all situations. The narrow top is awesome, but the ability to also have a wider grip in the drops for sprinting is the absolute best.
I would never pay that kind of money and have to settle for a 4 year old groupset. If I'm paying $16k for a bike, I'm building it the way I want from the ground up. I'm not sure I get who buys these super expensive bikes as is off the showroom floor.
Hi Ben, great video, I enjoyed it. What size were you riding here? Trying to picture myself how the proportions of a slammed 61 would look...
Another great review. Looked like you were enjoying the ride. Nothing like going fast. Cheers…
If I can't enjoy riding sweet bikes then I'm doing it wrong. 😃
Good review. That was a really cool experience in Austin.
I’ve been looking for a vid like this with full details from the RBf1 side. I’m in my early 50s, can turn the gear, and seriously love how the bike is the pinnacle of current design . Red Bull racing aero is Aidrian Newey and his team . He’s why red bull wins races. I’m getting one of these, it’s time I go nuts for one special bike. Sadly they are already hard to find arriving any time soon.
Great review. I do wonder how much fun riding on a race track actually is. Really cool conceptually, but I imagine riding on a track designed for 250kph and more makes you feel super slow when going 30-60kph :D
There should be more cycling events on race tracks, at least in the US. Spectators are what's sorely lacking in the sport here.
Generally, yes - it does feel like being a little toy in a giant's world. That said, it depends on the track. Dropping into Laguna Seca's corkscrew is cool on any bike. The Florida F1 track is dead flat and not the coolest place to ride a bike. Giant did a launch at Magny-Cours in France that was halfway in between, kinda like this Austin track.
Bike races on a car track would also make for boring spectating, because the track is just so wide. It's like road stage races on giant US highways made for semis vs the Giro on tiny little serpentine lanes.
Still cool to see the scene there in Austin. I don't care about car racing but I love to see fans fired up about their thing.
I did a 12H bike race in Monza, from sunset to dawn, it was fun because we were doing relays and we were at night with lights etc. but I wouldn't do it daytime, especially because I have driven (cars and motorbikes) pretty hard on the same track and it is meant to be driven/ridden full gas. That BMC looks speedy though.
@@industryrule-4080I've loved racing on tracks. But they don't really bring many spectators. Crits in big cities draw bigger crowds
I used to take my bike to the racetracks I rode my moto on. The first thing you realize is that that flat straight road you think it is on the motorcycle is actually a 5% climb in some cases 🤣 Places you wouldn't think to be a big grade are sometimes almost double digits! It's alright but the racetracks are soooooo wide. Riding on tight, technical canyon roads will always be more fun for going slow. If you're on a fast moto or car, those tracks get tight and technical, very fast :)
Top tier bike, F1 technology, worked on by the best aerodynamicists. Targeted for the masses but built for the pros, alongside a pro pricetag. I wish you goodluck BMC, you will need it.
Built for the pros and not a single UCI World Tour team riding them
🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑
@@riderzonthastormTudor pro cycling does Mon ami.
How does this compare to the Teammachine SLR01? Also, do you like the 36cm bar width, or do you prefer the wider bars on the SLR01?
Basically the same geo but stiffer. I love the SLR, for the record. Definitely an out-an-out race bike but just a skootch less aggressive on the front end than most, and what strikes me as a perfect balance of compliance and stiffness. I have relatively broad shoulders so a 40cm bar would still be aggressive for me. Normally I ride a 42. I rode a 44 for 10+ years.
@TheRidewithBenDelaney ok, thanks for that!! I own the SLR01.. I have heard from a few sources now the R is extremely stiff, best for racing, and the SLR01 is better, all rounder... Yeah the 36cm bars seem too narrow.. I agree a size 40cm bar would of been better! I rider 42cm prefer the leverage like you said, especially off the saddle up hills..
Great content Ben.
Hi Ben, I am in the market for a new ride and have come down to two bikes the BMC Teammachine R and the Specialized Tarmac SL8 S-Works. I am from Austin and curious to know how you found the Team Machine R on the Austin road's vs the track at COTA. I am also curious to know what it is like in Cross Winds and does the lower bottom bracket affect the ground clearance if you where to Crit race this bike? You made reference to the Specialized Venge. Is the Team Machine R as stiff as the Venge or stiffer?
Hey Geoff. Crosswind feel is definitely about the wheels, right? The DT's on the top model are decent there, but perhaps not the absolutely best for stability. Some brands lean more towards wind tunnel speed, some more towards stable feel. I just did the two ride and didn't have crazy gusts to deal with. In general, the wider the rim (for the same depth), the more stable the things feel.
For BB drop, my notes have it at 69mm, vs 72 Tarmac, 70 Madone, 73 Melee, etc. So no worries there.
R vs Venge for perceived stiffness? Shoot, man - the differences are way too small and the time between riding the two bikes way too great for me to say anything of value there!
Good luck and have fun.
Hi Ben appreciate your feedback, so thank you so much for your response. I have ridden the SL8 over 30km and it felt smooth and very efficient to ride, it has a very compliant riding style nowhere as stiff as the Venge. I am not able to ride the BMC R so just trying to decide which way to go. @@TheRidewithBenDelaney
Thanks Ben > always appreciate the content.
But for $16K, this thing better pedal itself...(haha)
And make you a nice espresso every morning!
That shirt is radioactive 😂 my eyes! A bit like that paint job on that R
Moiré in full effect.
that would work just fine... BMC has long put out nice stuff (even if pricier than most).
So is this bike out yet? Haven’t seen any place online that stocks them… nor any reputable dealers in Bay Area California
It is out and online, yes. No idea on volume or regional stock, sorry.
My dream is that the UCI mandates that if a brand is to sponsor a professional team, these brands are restricted to making one road bike that will receive UCI approval. This would reduce confusion for consumers about which bike is the "best" road bike for their riding style. This would encourage companies and consumers to think more about the things that actually matter when it comes to going fast and being comfortable, which are wheels, tires, gearing, and contact points/positioning of the rider. We would see fewer chassis being offered, but likely more emphasis put into how they are built up. So, in the case of Canyon, you would have a road bike that was perhaps slightly heavier than the Ultimate, slightly less aero than the Aeroad, and slightly less compliant than the Endurace, rolled into one chassis, and then you would have the option of 60/45/35 rims, 25, 28, 32 tires, 54+40/52+36/etc rings, zero setback+long and slammed cockpit/15mm setback + short and tall cockpit. Every frame seemingly becoming aero, light and integration already has us about 90% of the way here already. For instance, an Endurace with 60mm rims with 25c tires, a 53+39, 11-30 cassette, sized down with a ton of saddle-bar drop and a 120 stem with 40c bars is WAAAYYYYY more of a race bike than a Aeroad with 30mm rims, 30c tires, 50/34 +11-36, and a stack of spacers under the short stem with 44cm bars. And likewise, that Aeroad would be close to the Endurace in terms of comfort if they were both set up this way. So, Canyon would end up making the Ultimate a bit heavier and more aero to approach the Aeroad, with slightly longer and slacker geo to approach the Endurace, and then have all the options available above when you order the Ultimaerondurace, and people would actually end up with a bike that suits their exact needs.
There was a mention of choice of carbon fibers being different for red bull in the designing of the bikes. So what was the differences ?
Engineers always have a range of modulus fibers to work with, balancing stiffness (modulus) with strength. High modulus typically means lower impact strength. So I assume what he meant by 'more aggressive' in their choice was favoring more high modulus than BMC had done. Good question. Road.cc has a good explain on carbon in bikes here: road.cc/content/feature/what-does-ud-woven-and-high-modulus-fibre-mean-292479
He could also have meant being more aggressive in spending on types of fibers. I'll ask!
Here's the 'we're not giving anything away' response I got from BMC:
""The choice of carbon fibre was based on a joint mission for a stiffer and lighter frame, which involved a refined recipe with different ingredients.”
So hopefully my first answer was more helpful. Cheers.
The stylist guys spent 2 seconds coming up with black and white?
It is surprising that there's no Red Bull logo or flair. It seems like someone who bought it/bought into it in part for that F1 vibe would want some visual representation of that.
I guess what we can take from BMC insisting that this is not an aero bike is, that there is a new Time Machine waiting around the corner 😇
When talking to a BMC rep at Gran Fondo Asheville, they stated that the Timemachine Road name is dead and will only be used for the Time Trial bikes going forward.
there is not.. the TImemachine Road is dead
Cool drone @10:58.
In slo-mo, too! 🙂
If could buy the bike would just the replace bars/ stem to some other bar/stem that fit better right away. Or nor even have shop not install the them install the the ones I choose. Bar that small will work with smaller people or smooth roads but taller people/ rough pavement the stock bar got a go. Size 60/XL frame with such small bars seems out place and not comfortable. BMC would been better to have three sizes of their bar/stem then match to fame size. The philosophy of narrow bar is there but need range to make or work for various types of people.
"Not an aero bike" clearly means that Timemachine replacement is coming soon. That's fine, but the naming scheme is weird then. Teammachine SLR and R, then a Timemachine...?
Wonder why they still stuck around with pressfit BB :p
Seems like the Giant TCR with 105 Di2 and carbon wheels for US$3,500 is the best value.
I still ride 2019 Giant TCR Advanced with mechanical 105, only paid $900 for it, can't really see the point in paying 10x as much to go 2mph faster (maybe)
2mph faster? that's a lot.@@lechprotean
In my country it is 11600.- usd for an Ultegra 12sp. Just saying… 🤷🏻♂️
Cool. Where are you? Global pricing & bikes is a weird one.
I enjoy my 2017 BMC Teammachine .I also have a Spez Roubaix and a new Cannondale topstone gravel bike . Since buying the Topstone ,it is the only bike i ride . Tubeless 38mm tyres are as fast as road ones and the bike is heaps more versatile . I can keep up with the roadies and i am faster if the road surface is rough . BMC is a top bike ,but it is for racing full on .Bike for the pro,s that get paid to suffer .I want to ride fast but comfortable .Get a gravel bike like the Topstone
sure wouldn't get a Topstone if you simply wanted to ride a race bike (even if you don't race).
A white handlebar... WHY???
How many bikes would achieve the gains of this bike if you simply put 36 cm bars on? I'm guessing almost all. And, 36 is too narrow for many if not most men, and some women, too.
Interesting that the track was smooth to a cyclist where both F1 and NASCAR drivers describe it as too bumpy
They're going a wee bit faster... But yeah, it was smooth to me!
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney I thought your FTP was 300 kilowatts, I guess it was 300 watts! Haha
Like the original thoughts and verbiage. So many bike channels sound like an echo or just flashing tattoos and cool hats with poor content.
I bet a 16cm bar would have tested faster if they tried
Ha! 'Our fastest bar ever is.... no bar at all!"
Aero bike
36 cm bars are dangerous a
Depends on the rider. I'm 6 ft (183 cm) tall but have narrow shoulders, and ride bars 38 cm bars that measure 36.5 cm at the hoods because I actually find them more comfortable. I originally tried narrow bars just to get more aero, but now have a more natural hand position.
Overpriced bike
The bike industry really has lost its mind. It’s no wonder that the tax payer has had to bail this company out recently. How the hell can you not spec how wide the bars are on a 15k bike. Mindblowing how ridiculous this sounds. It’s easy to see why canyon are the only bike manufacturers with growth forecasts for this year. And while I’m on this rant. There’s absolutely no way this bike has the aero gains they’re publishing. It’s impossible and complete BS.
Ugly! Ugly! I had a MBC and the rear triangle wonders due to the skinny rear tubes. The front fork is just big Noooo.
Why don’t they just charge $20,000 so only true wankers and euro pro peloton riders will have optimized equipment to ride.
Aero bikes are a joke unless you go 30mph all the time
Someone wasn’t listening in physics class
Another RIDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE new bike 💯👎
And press fit also 😢
Another ridiculously expensive bike that absolutely nobody forces you to buy.
@@derfx89 depends - they're trying to normalise these price ranges. But when you do the math, it should NOT costs that much.
FUGLY But "Hey, it's F1 something, something" And everyone knows F1 is great, right? Boring-as-hell to watch these daze but people just love to watch cubic money being wasted I guess? Is there ANYTHING more dull than riding a bicycle around a motor racing circuit? Perhaps a stationary trainer? Did they explain why the team they used to supply bikes to ditched them? Is any pro team gonna take BMC/RedBull's fat chex to ride 'em next season? Are these made in their state-of-the-art Swiss factory?
calm down there Larry! take a chill pill and let some of those frustrations melt away
Nobody is making you give up your beach cruiser
mr. 'opinions' enters the chat...
pop a xanax you miserable wanka
No frustrations, just questions. Gotta probem with that?@@BoomsRiddico4868