It’s Not Delivery, It’s Our Pizza Box Server!
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Mama mia, that's-a spicy server!
New Customers Exclusive - Get $25 off your purchase of any AMD and Intel Processor (limit one per customer): micro.center/c...
Check out Micro Center’s Custom PC Builder: micro.center/5...
Visit the Micro Center Community: micro.center/d...
Shop Supermicro SuperServer: micro.center/a...
forum.level1te...
**********************************
Check us out online at the following places:
linktr.ee/leve...
IMPORTANT Any email lacking “level1techs.com” should be ignored and immediately reported to Queries@level1techs.com.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Intro and Outro Music By: Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License
creativecommons... - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
1U servers are unreasonably noisy for homelab uses. I switched to 2U and haven't looked back. If it was 2U, this box would be a lot more appealing
Really depends on the specific servers. I've got a Dell R220, which is a similar form factor to this 1U server (
Think he kind of implies that at 5:47. Some homelab users can manage the noise, others can't and adjust accordingly.
Ya shudda gone with Greta Thunderthighs.
The Dell R220 could be quiet but the R620 is super loud. Depends on the model #.
Check out Asrock ASRock 2U12L6SC-2TS6 comes with dual 10 gig Ethernet
The biggest problem I have with this is the form factor. 1U = server room.
I have never met a silent 1U fan, but there are plenty of silent 80mm (2U) ones.
Now, sure, we double the density by going 1U vs 2U. But do the people who want to use these things actually NEED that density?
I personally would rather have a 2U server that I can sit in the same room with (the typical HomeLab) over a 1U that I have to keep in a different room.
Now, this IS on the higher end of cost for a HomeLab system. So maybe the target user IS one that has their own server room.
But even then, how many people with a real rack in their HomeLab are actually hurting for rack space?
People making their own racks don't need (or want) 1U servers.
So, why the 1U?
(I actually would like to hear from people who agree/disagree with me.)
100% this...Had several old Dell 1950 servers (1U)....will NEVER have another 1U server in my home lab again....
Yeh exactly, I rather have nice and quiet machine that I can chuck in the garage or something. I have the space, I don't need a 1u that doesn't stop screaming.
I both agree and disagree. I've got a Supermicro 1U in my rack right now and typically it's only loud during POST. Aside from that it's about the same volume as my SM 2U servers of the same generation _if_ we're doing a mostly apples to apples comparisons. Most of my 2U servers have several PCIe cards that run hot so the fans on my 2Us ramp up from time to time but when populated more comparably to the 1U they're about the same. I rigged a pair of USB powered 70mm fans with some homemade ducting on one of the 2Us just for better airflow to the PCIe cards, and that seemed to help so I may do a similar mod to the other cases, but as it stands, now the noise is fairly tolerable. But I still wouldn't want to work full time in that room. (currently the noise makers are 4x 2U servers, 1x 1U server, 2x 24 drive disk shelves, 1x Dell 5548 switch, 1x Dell 5548P switch and 1x Dell/Force 10 S4810 switch and a window unit A/C) Unrelated: I'm hoping to get some solar panels installed and see if I can get the servers running on 48VDC during the day. I know SM makes 48VDC power supplies for my servers, so it would save a few bucks on the ol' power bill.
The old 1U dell servers give 1U a bad name. My R430 is practically silent at idle, and it sits less than three feet away from my desk. The only time it spins up is under a heavy sustained load, and it only gets as loud as absolutely necessary.
@@aarrondias9950 Even then, what is the advantage?
1U is about density. Nothing is 'free'. You give up something when you design it to fit in 1U.
2U is going to be MUCH easier to service. Cable managing a 1U is a MUST.
And 2U is going to be less expensive overall too. Just think about how many of those $20 1U Noctua fans you would need to buy to get the same cooling as a single 2U one.
It's not just about 'real' enterprise gear in a HomeLab. That stuff is going to be loud because that just isn't part of the design spec.
I'm talking about 1U for anything that isn't networking gear or a mini-computer.
It just doesn't make sense to buy new 1U servers for a HomeLab.
I'm a simple man. I see home buildable server with Wendel, I upvote.
Right, we need more Wendell videos
I still have very fond memories of the Sun 10 and Sun 20 pizza boxes of my youth. This thing is very impressive, and of course it would run heaps of laps around anything from that era. But for their time, they were truly things of beauty.
Rackish nice Rack
In the future, could you provide Power use metrics for these builds? Like Watts peak vs idle, i think it could help people determine if these builds are possible for those with high electric cost. Just a thought, love the video.
That's up on Patreon we did a 3 way comparison. Spoiler: power use these days is dominated by mechanical drives
So sorry, when I saw the Icon for Homer all that went through my head was: I-am-data-Hooo-mer! I-am-data-Hooo-mer!
I'd love to see a setup with both Steam Cache and PiHole. I briefly considered doing it in my homelab, but was too lazy to work it out. Obviously it's probably not that difficult, but I've got enough other projects going that it'd be great to follow a guide!
AFAIK the best option is to run them separately and DNS chain them together
router -> pihole -> steam cache
Just the thing I was looking for! Ditto all the other guys regarding the 2U - would be perfect for my needs
This is the type of content I love to watch. Thank you.
Oh NO! What happened to Red shirt Wendell? Transporter accident? Is he now Kristdell?
Any interest in getting into Pi clusters as ESXi learning platforms? The Turing Pi 2 boards are supposedly shipping around Sept.
At least one madman has even deployed a FaaS cluster across an rPi4+hat+x4 rPi Zero 2's
I wish there's a microcenter like store in my country, but I doubt it'll do good with the market leaning more towards mobile device locally.
Wendell, let the people know about Helm. Charts are not just containers.
Also, "whatever" on MacOS is Sublime. Pretty much always Sublime.
I'd love to see you build an SMB security gateway, VPN in and out, surricata, DNS Filtering, IDS etc
Patrick from servethehome not good enough for ya?
@@tolpacourt Or Tom from "Something Systems" ? (Not sure what the Something is)
@@tolpacourt I cannot keep up with everyone who is dispensing this information. Also, I like watching Wendell talk about things.
Those banshee fans are reason enough to get something bigger. I hope Wendell had ear protection.
I've been interested in paperlessNG for a while now. I've spent far too long documenting my PDFs + PNGs but man do I don't have the time anymore to long term test the efficacy of that. I'm still burned out from trying to host a rackmount printer that would have it's data passed through a server.
Pizzabox needs some cisco firepower in action to cut those slices of data ...
I've worked with some 1U Cisco UCS C220 M4 servers. Under normal circumstances, they're quiet enough to live unobtrusively in a network room rack, but if you install a PCIe card that Cisco hasn't blessed, oh my do they get angry - at which point they can be heard through the walls and all across the building. Not a great situation if you don't have a well-insulated datacenter to host them (mind you, I'd still say they're fine for home lab use as long as you have a dedicated equipment room or basement, and stick carefully to Cisco's approved hardware list).
05:28 - Touché! 😂
I was comparing Wendell to Worf wearing red, but then I recalled the colors are different in TOS.
I'm running a white box with a 10400F, 64GB RAM, 2x16TB + 4x3TB with Proxmox and TrueNAS Core as VM with LSI passthrough for the drives, works like a charm.
The "I've spent too much money" look is real xD
What's going on with that picture on your wallpaper? I used it as a presentation wallpaper 4 years ago. Today I saw it in your video AND as a thumbnail for another, totally different youtube video. This is getting spooky.
I think it's time for me keep money aside for that. I need that backup machine around not to far ,those 2 systems are interesting. I guess those sliders can be screwed under a wooden desk and slide that server in. Good video well presented.
I would like to see a setup that focuses on containers, like Docker., where the system is configured to minimal idle power consumption, I'm curious how low it will go. Yes, it's a server, so probably not nearly as low as consumer hardware can go (under 5W with the right components) but still, I'd like to see how close it can get when configured with low idle power consumption in mind.
Whens the next mini server video??? I got one but needs to be upgraded... Want to see what you do with it!!
I would love to see a future video where you white box a racable, low power TrueNAS server!!!
Would love to see a steam cache tutorial on Truenas Scale
When I think pizza box I think of the old Macintosh LC475.
@Wendell Off Topic but if you talk to the Microcenter guys please put a pitch in for them to build a location in Utah. Sorry to everyone else for the pitch. We are campaigning. We order everything online here and it sucks. And we have a large tech industry here being the origins of Novell, WordPerfect, and now tons of other companies campuses like Adobe, SAP Qualtrics, Domo, DigiCert, Oracle, Plurasight, Podium, Sandisk, Vivint, Overstock, Microsoft and the infamous NSA data center.
Looks like an enlarged Nintendo game cartridge.
I am worried for Wendells safety wearing thay shirt.
@Level1Techs, I used and enjoyed Homer for awhile. In my homelab, I recently switched to Dashy and wanted to see if your have used that yet? I really like it and have been having fun with designing different dashboards with system stats too.
RIP Bill Bixby the Best Banner
@Level1Techs "all you need is four 20tb disks and some raidz1/raid5 version" - said in a very cavalier manner. I thought one disk redundancy was an incredibly huge no-no with such large disks?
Steam cache would be great, bonus if it's one that handles other caching as well (eg LANCache, though that one isn't available on TrueCharts yet, or wasn't last I looked at least)
I dunno where in my bedroom I'll put it but I'm sold ;)
That was an amazing peeling.
Can you do a looking glass kvm vfio tutorial from scratch on Manjaro or Arch?
You said you wouldn't necessarily recommend this for your home lab, is that because of the noise that the server will make?
Itsa me Mari... Wendell.
Great video !
Will the fans really be that loud ?
yes
I guess nature forces us to balance between size and loudness.
That's a deal breaker for most of us.
This thing needs to live where people don't.
2 grand though. Will it hold all my games and music and stuff?
I personally want a server for storage but also to run some development kubernetes environments on. I've not really found an elegant solution yet though. It's either something like truenas scale in which yea great storage solution but u gotta spin up a vm with kubernetes in it and then do kube stuff on there. Or u do Rancher Harvester and it's amazing for kube stuff but u gotta run truenas virtualized. If only Truenas allowed users to access the kubernetes directly
I have a harvester tshirt for using it when it was in alpha, so cool!
Too noisy? Seriously? You're crazy enough to build this just for "enthusiasm", but not crazy enough to cut a hole in the broom closet for an AC? And no, there's no such thing as a wife-approved 1u cooling solution... 🙂
How'd I end up watching this ad?
It’s pricey. I have a gigabyte b550 pro ac, Ryzen 4650G Pro and 16GB Samsung ECC in a fractal deifne R5
Supermicro does have lots of possible combinations. I have a 1U with an older X10 board with dual on-board 10Gb NIC, dual Xeon E5 and 128Gb of RAM. Small but powerful.
Not really a pizza box, those things were desktop-capable (quiet and cool), remember my Sun Ultra 5 from my first employer - that thing was a beauty
1) RAID IS NOT A BACKUP.
2) The fans in this (or any) 1U server is going to be quite loud, especially if you put any sort of a load on the CPU.
So first you say you're going to install TrueNAS based on FreeBSD, but then install TrueNAS Scale. Which is built on Debian..
GlusterFS fibre channel target using LIO/Targetcli, multipath, persistent reservations, with at least three nodes. please.
that is pretty cool
Any recommendations on full nextcloud setup? I am having issues with the mariadb container setup and getting it to connect. About to make a separate VM and test that way if nothing else. Thanks in advance
The same problem as always the nearest Microcenter is an 8-hour drive one way. It is not like I live in the middle of nowhere I live in the third highest population in the US and we do not have a single MicroCenter in the state... Come on MicroCenter. Put one in Orlando or in the Miami Dade area. Orlando would give you access to the Orlando area, Tampa-Saint Pete, and the Space cost. So come on down.
I spit up my drink on the Forbidden Router comment.
It making some real pizza
Would love to see a PFSense setup on this HW, or possibly one with more ethernet and SFP+
Steam Cache setup would be great to see
why is it rendered garbage as soon as you need to back up files outside of the default windows document folders lol? the place where you change the default folders is the same place you change the default 'every hour' frequency and default 'forever' retention, at least on my version for some reason lol
wat
truenas scale is Debian not BSD
I know it may be asking too much, but a tutorial on how to setup a Windows Server 2019 would make me a very happy viewer.
Microcenter gave that to you for free?
.....scale is not FreeBSD ! :p
Great accompanying video to Jeff Geerlings cheap NAS build!
I would like to see a pizza box with a Ryzen processor. Which engineer with common sense, spends 2000 bucks on an Intel pizza box, nowadays ? Unless you goal is spending as much money and wasting as much power as possible it does not make much sense..probably your sponsor forced you into this 😃
i would love to see this too! maybe a barebones chassis, BYO motherboard, slap some cheap ryzen horsepower in there and let 'er rip!
Leafpad on Linux
MICROCENTER! BUILD A FACILITY IN MISSISIPPI!!!!!
Woot!
Damn, could watch him build things whole day 🤣👍👏 so relaxing after i built today a home proxmox server from lying around parts...
Tried it all, my new server is a win7 Comp with a butt load of hard drives not connected to the internet. I use a Giant SSD USB drive to transfer my friends and families pics and phone data to the server once it's copied onto my system 76 laptop. The only Nas's worth it imo are the cheapo buffalo nas boxes and everything else is just a rabbit hole. A for effort though, you're need it when dealing with that impossible free butterFS??? file system crap. Is it a food or a file system??Nothing reads that data. Nothing!!! Lol
I have an old server with that same chassis!!! Unfortunately, it only has 1 power supply.... :-/
not a fan of truenas' way to do kubernetes.. its basically not kubernetes.. just docker with some custom made charts system .. and if you want to learn kubernetes.. truenas is not for you.
Yup, just uninstalled SCALE last night, was a bit of a mess. Non clustering k3s and an inability to run docker/docker-compose without using their GUI. Zero portability, couldn’t migrate any of my existing containers to truenas, and migrating away from truenas in the future also seemed like a pain. Having the ability to configure SMB/NFS and containers without all the abstraction and being able to migrate to any OS/Distro outweighed any benefit I get from their WebUI. Back to the command line and conf files for me.
its Di'server
pizza time
First
you should really stop telling people to put every application/service on one server or in other words one point of failure
Woah...how am I first to comment? Weird!!
SuperMicro. For when you just want a server without an attached salesman.