Before I started to wise up to the options out there, I would be seriously limited to my motherboard choices because I always looked for ones with plenty of onboard SATA. Then I moved to a NAS and got a bunch of drives out of my primary work case... just to run into the same problem again! I'm glad I enjoy this journey through constantly evolving tech...
This is probably the best video on the internet...ever. I have the ASRock Rack x570 2x 1g and 2x 10g with my R5-3600. I am looking forward to replacing my desktop so I can put my 5900x in it.
I've seen so many of these and just always assumed they're jank and as enticing as they always are passed them up for fear that they'll set my server rack and all its contents on fire. Good to know these are fairly safe as far as not killing any devices plugged into them or setting things on fire. Ill definitely be in the market for some of these
I had a hard time finding this video. I would not call this "Cheat codes" but rather "Creative adaptability". Very useful info. Many parts I was not aware of.
wish modern consumer boards could do that lane reallocation thing that the old cheesegrater mac pros did. have all x16 physical slots and then you can assign the lanes to them electrically to match your needs.
Just make very sure you can power that card you add. M.2 to PCIe and a mellanox 10G card did not work in my NUC because there's no 12V from the SATA port.
This kind of thing can be fun. I got a 5-port SATA m.2 card for use with a Raspberry Pi CM4, but since I had it I thought I would see what happens when I put it into my NVMe Thunderbolt enclosure I have for my M1 Mac Air. Damn thing works! 4 lane m.2 to PCIe slot adapters (with full molex power connectors) *do* exist if you can weed out all the miner garbage. The good ones aren't cheap.
Hey cool, I just recently bought that same i225 M.2 NIC for an opnsense router than I built. As you can see in this video the cable between the M.2 card and the RJ45 port stands vertically from the board quite a bit. Those cables/headers were too tall for my Dell Optiplex 7040 micro case so I bought some 90 degree headers and replaced the ones on the M.2 card and the RJ45 port. Unfortunately I've done something wrong, maybe damaged one of the PCB's, not sure. Now it doesn't work properly when I plug in a network cable. The link lights behave weird and it takes a while to establish a connection but it only links at 100Mbps. Not good for 2.5Gbps NIC. I'll get the multimeter out some day soon and try to see if there's some high resistance on one of the wire connections. I'm hoping that maybe after I desoldered the original headers that I just didn't clean up the board properly with isopropyl and when I soldered the new headers on the connection was dirty. I have a bad feeling though that I damaged one of the tracers or pads. The electronics on an M.2 card are pretty damn small. The router is humming along happily though with a Realtek 8125 2.5Gbps M.2 NiC. I've got another intel i225 one on the way which has a different connector that comes off sideways so I don't have to attempt any more modifications. The Realtek performs really well, about the same as the intel in terms of speed and stability.
Thanks for the i225 tip. Was wanting to avoid using the 1 x1 slot on my mobo for 2.5gbit and I wanted to avoid Realtek, just which I could get the dual port in the same m.2 size.
Ryzen hardware PCIe bifurcation On the correct motherboard Can the 16 PCIe lanes direct from the AM5 socket be used for bifurcation or must they be from the the chipset?
Early Google data center networks were cobbled together from 8-port 10Gig switches and 14m max length CX-cables. Sometimes you just can't get exactly what you need, from any vendor, at any price.
This comment reminds me of the old days with that dingbat emo goth gamer nerd who used to cut Wendell off just as he would begin to speak...The breakdown of Google Fiber networks from so long, long ago! Good riddance to the camera 🐖that tried to ruin everything and cheat Wendell. That guy who's name I won't speak... What a piece of work. //SMH// 😔
@@Aint1S Logan isn't that bad. Wendell needed him to cut him off when he started going into ridiculous pedantic geekiness back then. He was not ready for public consumption at that stage. The break up actually forced him to become better at "public" speaking (via video).
Talking about no W680 boards, where is the upgraded HP Microserver Gen 10 Plus with 12th gen? :| It can be a C chipset again, but why can't we buy a newer microserver platform (Deskmeet has no ECC, not enough NICs, 3.5").
What blower fan model did you use to cool those V100s? I've tried a few blower fans for GPU cooling and they always end up being loud... Thanks for a great video as usual
In the last few days I just realized m.2 E key slot have some secrets :) But most likely not supported widely. I miss the adapters to get the second independent or cnvi lane from E key slot. 2 Having two nvme x1 slots from E or splitting cnvi and nvme into two slots.
This is exactly what I want to use in one of my home servers. It's just a b450 board but the top gpu slot supports 4x4x4x4 bifurcation. I'm looking at trying to get a 10gbit nic and additional nvme slots. Unfortunately, it's expensive enough that I'm comparing pricing against a more feature-packed motherboard without needing the duct tape.
I'm putting a wireless router/NAS together soon and I'm looking for a bifurcation card that can do 4 x PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2 slots. If I could find one of those cards but also does 10 gigabit then that would be a nice bonus and would probably increase my options for choosing a mini-ITX board, right now 2.5Gb seems to be the most for mini-ITX. Like you said though, price may mean it's probably more economical to just buy a higher end board would the bells and whistles already on it.
wait a second there is a m.2 gpu option so i can post my board? oh well i already have a apu (did not need lots of cpu power) and a m.2 sata card and have used every pci based slot in the system, all i have left is usb ports anyway
m.2 -> pcie x4 for a mono/dual sfp+ pci card. Shouldn t you mention if the provided power/wattage from m.2 slot can feed the 10gbe sfp+ pci card? What if no? How could you bypass that? (you should make a video showing this and that the card works fine afterwards) That is why most often these adapters come with a 4 pin power header (a little bigger than the one who would power a fan like device)
The adapter doesn't have power lines connected because the slot power budget is NOT anywhere near PCIe slot power budget. If you don't use the 4 pin power header (or sata or whatever they use) then the card has no power.
I've been having dreams of motherboards with (near) 0 built in i/o except for PCIe and m.2 slots fucking everywhere. and knowing all this just makes it worse.
caveat emptor: I got an old laptop where the BIOS disabled the mPCIe slot if it didn't see a specific wifi card on it, couldn't upgrade the GPU using one of those riser/miner cables: BIOS just wouldn't allow it to happen. Software lock down.
Wenn Amds is conaktet over all cors and test in dos console and givs acent to hex code how lockaidet the test option wen its blockadet .its not a Option it lost my data mail mail performance if its the last cpu of the world it lost my data mail performance and not a options this time .how transfahre ist Complicadet in Multiconstrutuin ist crasht all options and my sistem sorry wen specter not work but securitie do it on amd better option is a big chip than an virualisation on it
MORE LANES. I'm so tired Wendell, please just put double the lanes in Ryzen. Or a motherboard that can do x8 (pci4) x8(pci3) x8(pci3), I know I know, the conversion etc.
M.2 slots should become standardized general purpose PCIe slots for mini PCs. Imagine if every mini PC came with one or two general purpose four lane M.2 slots with a standardized opening on the case.
I have really been enjoying the recent several videos surrounding self hosting and homelab related topics. Thank you!
Before I started to wise up to the options out there, I would be seriously limited to my motherboard choices because I always looked for ones with plenty of onboard SATA. Then I moved to a NAS and got a bunch of drives out of my primary work case... just to run into the same problem again! I'm glad I enjoy this journey through constantly evolving tech...
This is probably the best video on the internet...ever.
I have the ASRock Rack x570 2x 1g and 2x 10g with my R5-3600. I am looking forward to replacing my desktop so I can put my 5900x in it.
Glad I'm not the only other nutcase doing this kind of stuff. Good video.
Loving the enthusiastic chef vibes kicking it up a notch 🌶
This is so useful, thank you so much!
I've seen so many of these and just always assumed they're jank and as enticing as they always are passed them up for fear that they'll set my server rack and all its contents on fire. Good to know these are fairly safe as far as not killing any devices plugged into them or setting things on fire. Ill definitely be in the market for some of these
I could listen to Wendell all day long. Level1 has just so much great content.
I had a hard time finding this video. I would not call this "Cheat codes" but rather "Creative adaptability". Very useful info. Many parts I was not aware of.
Great video! I've been rocking 10gbe through a riser connected to a m.2 to pcie adapter for a couple years now 😄 Gotta use those lanes!
Good grief, why haven't 2.5+ NICs fallen in price yet?
Because enterprise.
Because everyone that really wanted speed has bought used 10Gbit NICs for 10$ or so
2.5g switches have dropped...but not the nics, definitely annoying.
@@marcogenovesi8570 Kinda where I'm at, cheap enterprise switch that I bought only supports 1G and 10G anyways.
2.5g nic is about 20$ on aliexpress
Please Sir, may I have another serving of a video like this that talks about more weird tech?
Been watching for some time, but this is my new favorite channel!
This is why you're the best of the best, Wendell. Thanks.
wish modern consumer boards could do that lane reallocation thing that the old cheesegrater mac pros did. have all x16 physical slots and then you can assign the lanes to them electrically to match your needs.
Just make very sure you can power that card you add. M.2 to PCIe and a mellanox 10G card did not work in my NUC because there's no 12V from the SATA port.
Wendell is a madman! I love it
This kind of thing can be fun. I got a 5-port SATA m.2 card for use with a Raspberry Pi CM4, but since I had it I thought I would see what happens when I put it into my NVMe Thunderbolt enclosure I have for my M1 Mac Air. Damn thing works!
4 lane m.2 to PCIe slot adapters (with full molex power connectors) *do* exist if you can weed out all the miner garbage. The good ones aren't cheap.
Hey cool, I just recently bought that same i225 M.2 NIC for an opnsense router than I built. As you can see in this video the cable between the M.2 card and the RJ45 port stands vertically from the board quite a bit.
Those cables/headers were too tall for my Dell Optiplex 7040 micro case so I bought some 90 degree headers and replaced the ones on the M.2 card and the RJ45 port. Unfortunately I've done something wrong, maybe damaged one of the PCB's, not sure. Now it doesn't work properly when I plug in a network cable. The link lights behave weird and it takes a while to establish a connection but it only links at 100Mbps. Not good for 2.5Gbps NIC.
I'll get the multimeter out some day soon and try to see if there's some high resistance on one of the wire connections. I'm hoping that maybe after I desoldered the original headers that I just didn't clean up the board properly with isopropyl and when I soldered the new headers on the connection was dirty. I have a bad feeling though that I damaged one of the tracers or pads. The electronics on an M.2 card are pretty damn small.
The router is humming along happily though with a Realtek 8125 2.5Gbps M.2 NiC. I've got another intel i225 one on the way which has a different connector that comes off sideways so I don't have to attempt any more modifications. The Realtek performs really well, about the same as the intel in terms of speed and stability.
I have used a lot of those add on cards.. they work great ..
Thanks for the i225 tip. Was wanting to avoid using the 1 x1 slot on my mobo for 2.5gbit and I wanted to avoid Realtek, just which I could get the dual port in the same m.2 size.
5:28 what was that device pocket planet pd planet?
I freaking love this video.
Look at you with your fancy ConnectX-5 while I'm stuck with ConnectX-2 and ConnectX-3 cards since they're 10Gb and reasonably priced 🙂
Just opened the video, and I defo need more I/O 🤞🏼
Ryzen hardware
PCIe bifurcation
On the correct motherboard
Can the 16 PCIe lanes direct from the AM5 socket be used for bifurcation or must they be from the the chipset?
The w680 are available now. Also the ROG Maximus Z790 Apex Encore seem to have the best PCIe layout for home labing that will give you pcie 5.0
The gears r spinning again. U've been rolling 20s every video since the forbidden router, bro
Early Google data center networks were cobbled together from 8-port 10Gig switches and 14m max length CX-cables. Sometimes you just can't get exactly what you need, from any vendor, at any price.
This comment reminds me of the old days with that dingbat emo goth gamer nerd who used to cut Wendell off just as he would begin to speak...The breakdown of Google Fiber networks from so long, long ago! Good riddance to the camera 🐖that tried to ruin everything and cheat Wendell.
That guy who's name I won't speak... What a piece of work. //SMH// 😔
@@Aint1S
Logan isn't that bad. Wendell needed him to cut him off when he started going into ridiculous pedantic geekiness back then. He was not ready for public consumption at that stage. The break up actually forced him to become better at "public" speaking (via video).
Talking about no W680 boards, where is the upgraded HP Microserver Gen 10 Plus with 12th gen? :|
It can be a C chipset again, but why can't we buy a newer microserver platform (Deskmeet has no ECC, not enough NICs, 3.5").
Can someone share a link to the Supermicro Server video Wendel referenced I cannot seem to find it anywhere
What blower fan model did you use to cool those V100s? I've tried a few blower fans for GPU cooling and they always end up being loud... Thanks for a great video as usual
In the last few days I just realized m.2 E key slot have some secrets :) But most likely not supported widely. I miss the adapters to get the second independent or cnvi lane from E key slot. 2 Having two nvme x1 slots from E or splitting cnvi and nvme into two slots.
This is exactly what I want to use in one of my home servers. It's just a b450 board but the top gpu slot supports 4x4x4x4 bifurcation. I'm looking at trying to get a 10gbit nic and additional nvme slots. Unfortunately, it's expensive enough that I'm comparing pricing against a more feature-packed motherboard without needing the duct tape.
I'm putting a wireless router/NAS together soon and I'm looking for a bifurcation card that can do 4 x PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2 slots. If I could find one of those cards but also does 10 gigabit then that would be a nice bonus and would probably increase my options for choosing a mini-ITX board, right now 2.5Gb seems to be the most for mini-ITX.
Like you said though, price may mean it's probably more economical to just buy a higher end board would the bells and whistles already on it.
Hot damn I was just wondering last night if there’s m.2 -> NIC type devices
I've done some of this random adaptors and duct tape stuff at work... Sometimes it's the only way forward.
m.2 to VGA......those are a thing?
I'd love to see an AIC that has an X570 chipset on it, with m.2 sockets for breaking out all the downstream lanes.
I love this channel
M.2 to Intel 2.5g? That is freaking sweet!
wait a second there is a m.2 gpu option so i can post my board? oh well i already have a apu (did not need lots of cpu power) and a m.2 sata card and have used every pci based slot in the system, all i have left is usb ports anyway
This might let me add 2.5gbe to my wireless only laptop. Time to get the dremel...
PCIe m.2 wizardry at its finest 👍
Kindest regards, friends
LOVE this
This video was useful! Thanks you!
m.2 -> pcie x4 for a mono/dual sfp+ pci card. Shouldn t you mention if the provided power/wattage from m.2 slot can feed the 10gbe sfp+ pci card? What if no? How could you bypass that? (you should make a video showing this and that the card works fine afterwards)
That is why most often these adapters come with a 4 pin power header (a little bigger than the one who would power a fan like device)
The adapter doesn't have power lines connected because the slot power budget is NOT anywhere near PCIe slot power budget. If you don't use the 4 pin power header (or sata or whatever they use) then the card has no power.
I like the $25 cheat codes and wish the $125-$250 would come down in price to make things like Thunderbolt affordable
Wendell is like every tech TH-camr's Dad.
13:54 Goodness gravy! I can get a whole server for only 15$?! What a meal!
Tasty tasty meal
How many giggle bites does that one have though? I heard servers need more giggle bites than regular pea seas.
how many Nicks can one person have?
This is a video I would expect from Ltt good job.
I've been having dreams of motherboards with (near) 0 built in i/o except for PCIe and m.2 slots fucking everywhere. and knowing all this just makes it worse.
Mini metro as a pc lines theme ? where : >
Since when Wendel is doing NSFW content?
caveat emptor: I got an old laptop where the BIOS disabled the mPCIe slot if it didn't see a specific wifi card on it, couldn't upgrade the GPU using one of those riser/miner cables: BIOS just wouldn't allow it to happen. Software lock down.
Loving the hacks!
Wenn Amds is conaktet over all cors and test in dos console and givs acent to hex code how lockaidet the test option wen its blockadet .its not a Option it lost my data mail mail performance if its the last cpu of the world it lost my data mail performance and not a options this time .how transfahre ist Complicadet in Multiconstrutuin ist crasht all options and my sistem sorry wen specter not work but securitie do it on amd better option is a big chip than an virualisation on it
Do they have any m.2 to 10g?
MORE LANES. I'm so tired Wendell, please just put double the lanes in Ryzen. Or a motherboard that can do x8 (pci4) x8(pci3) x8(pci3), I know I know, the conversion etc.
M.2 slots should become standardized general purpose PCIe slots for mini PCs. Imagine if every mini PC came with one or two general purpose four lane M.2 slots with a standardized opening on the case.
The real shame is the missing AliExpress boards with Ryzen Embedded with 10Gbe or the weird Epyc chips that have on-die 10+ gig ethernet
love me some pcie
Not for work he says. Challenge accepted
love cheat codes labbing
Ahh, I like the home brew cheats. :-)
How did you know I was looking for this exact thing? lol
2k lord I wish. More cheats pls
(Do not try this at work, only to be performed at home by serious homegamers)
I will stay with my T7910 with two E5-2650v4
Why do you need so much NICs? Not everything is a router in my life
You really need to take a long hard look at your life if that' true.
Redundancy usually
So even Wendell does NSFW content now?
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Yea Money can buy anything, be more down to earth and stop spending money to solve a problem that does not exist.
Could you provide a timestamp your comment is directed at?
You are barking to the wrong tree. This is a tech channel for enthusiasts. Go somewhere else to spit your hate lol
Sir this is a Wendy's
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