Two real artists. Who cares if they weren´t the best instrumentalists, they had something much better and much more rare. They were poets, innovators, culture-shapers. There will never be another Lennon or Bowie, they were truly unique.
@@Samantha_C1Hello Samantha, God Bless You For Blessing Them. I Am 63 Years Old and Grew Up On These 2 Very Special, Gifted Artists. Grace and Peace To You and Your Family Ralph In CT.
He was a songwriter first, not super technically skilled. He’s thinking of it in terms of contributing solos or guitar parts, which was most common form of rock collaboration in the 60s. George could go to just about any session and not have to worry. John is right thinking that there probably wasn’t much there for him. Fame worked because he helped write it.
I'm not surprised to hear him say that. He's admitted that musically (meaning, live playing) The Beatles were at their peak when it was him, Paul, George and Pete Best, from '60 - '62. He said once they got their record deal and sacked Pete, their musicianship took a steep dive that they never recovered from--even though they did go on to become highly proficient in the studio.
@@Cosmo-Kramer, he was looking back with rose-tinted glasses. Those who saw them in the early days say they were rotten musicians. They clearly improved as the years went on.
@@RS-ni3lj If by "early days", you mean prior to Pete joining the band and their first trip to Hamburg, yes, they were dreadful. But in August of '60 they went to Hamburg, jelled as a band now that they had permanent drummer, and Pete created the "Atom Beat", which became the band's signature sound, making them the class of two cities. Two years later, at the height of their playing ability, they sack Pete over jealousy (he got all the girls, and the fans in Liverpool were calling them, "Pete Best & The Beatles"), and hire the non-threatening Ringo as soon as they got their record contract. From that point forward, they were engulfed by Beatlemania, and were glued to the studio, never having time to stay sharp live, and their quality as a live act degraded badly, never to return.
@@jameskrautheim4987 young man, a simple observation at 3:30 displays the tremendous love and confidence Yoko had towards John. Read your history. Imagine was inspired by her artworks of the 60s and co written by Ono. Drop the hate it doesn't suit you.
John Lennon is one of those people I keep coming back to for inspiration, ironically not for the ways he was a musical genius, but for all the ways he WASN'T. He's absolutely right, he had a basic musical understanding, he couldn't shred, he didn't have George's chops, and he couldn't have kept up playing with Cream. He's probably almost as technically skilled as most 40-year-old bar band guitarists working day-jobs and jamming at night are today. What set John apart, and in many ways what made Ringo a great drummer, was how they leveraged a limited toolset to produce music that not only could be done with their own limited skills, but DEMANDED the sounds they were able to make in order to sound "right." Elton John was an infinitely better piano player (still is), but he couldn't have done Imagine like Lennon did. Amidst all the obnoxious competition in the music industry, the endless fighting over whether Hendrix is a better guitar player than Van Halen or whatever, John Lennon was a reminder that sometimes the obsession over "how good you are" is just blowing smoke. It doesn't always have an effect on how good the music is. In his brief career, both with the Beatles and as a solo artist, Lennon made some of the best, most iconic, most unforgettable music ever made. And to those of us who can't play like Van Halen or Steve Vai, he's a reminder that we still have the skills to do it if we quit all this worrying about who plays notes the fastest, and make the best music we can out of the gifts we have.
Very astute essay. I concur with every point, and I'm glad someone (else) presented them. I am a lifelong chef and musician; they are the only things I am any good at. It took me years and years to figure out how to get out of my own way and write a good song, and when I did, it all came tumbling out. Less is more, sometimes. You can take 5 ingredients and make the best meal anyone ever had. I like my Steely Dan, but if you know your limitations musically, you can still generate comparable masterpieces in your own courtyard. Lou Reed had similar bit of advice in an interview 40 years ago. He said, "You don't need a lot to get a song started. Just, say, there's a room, an L-shaped room, and, say a long table running along one wall. And that's even too much." Of course, none of this prevents me from writing the occasional song with 21 chords, lol!
Really well said. There's a lot of silly debate going on here. Pete was better than Ringo...Ringo was better than Pete and so forth. The truth is that none of the four of them (assuming Ringo as the fourth) was so great that any of them would play as a top studio musician in today's climate. What's more they were not a great live band by late 1960s standards. The roof top proves that they "could" play live if they had a limited repertoire, a kick ass keyboardist as a side man, and a shot at playing each number through 4 or 5 times to get the best cut. They are not exactly The Who or Hendrix or Santana crushing it at Woodstock. The Beatles above all else is a collection of great songs executed and produced well in the studio. It's about composition and, if there is virtuosity, brilliant singing in 3 part harmony.
Two very special and talented men who I will always admire. Another thing occurred to me when John said “ I didn’t know much about the earlier stuff cos I’d left England by then”. It’s really hard to appreciate the limited communications and media coverage back then as in if you were out of town you were out of touch with the current trends! You had to be there to know what was happening! Fascinating really when you consider it 🧐
I’m very thankful for having been around to see both of these giants as well as others like Hendrix, George Harrison, Bob Marley, John Bonham, etc. etc. etc. What a great time to be alive, as far as music is concerned.
But, Bowie firing The Spiders by announcing it to the audience the night of their last concert could have been handled with more class. Not the move of a genius. But at that point, fame had gone straight to his head. He blew it. Still, he was a great entertainer.
@@BCTGuitarPlayer it was the end of his persona they were probably told it was beforehand(the spiders) he and his persona were very different, it was part of his act
John Lennon was, and still is my biggest Idol. And when he said: "I'Couldn't hang around with these guys and jam a little bit, because of my limited guitar playing", I realized, that MY guitar playing is very much more limited. But isn't the meaning of music more about writing good songs instead of being an instrumental acrobat?
Great footage and such shear honesty. I could see how John was just shy around others because of his limited chords, and musical knowledge. Still those are the best and typically most talented uninhibited human beings. Of course there's different formulas as well. Look at Paul, who could get on with anyone, anywhere and just be creative. George was a bit in between, and Ringo personality wise was just cool, laugh, and keep great rythm. All together it was far and away some of the most magical music we'll ever know. I'm so thankful for others and myself who experienced it. Total pros and Live here for David who was such a dynamic artist as well. He has a gleam on his face when he speaks of John. David also got Prince to go Independant. These cats knew how to pass on good insight because of the mutual respect. It shows.
Both cool but Lennon truly is the greatest rock pop star of all times Lyrically he is untouchable. As a personality he was flawed but there was a very cool and nice person behind the tough guy persona.
When Lennon spoke I always think "Yes! I so agree and understand what you're saying." He was like so many intelligent men who had tough breaks and built a hard defensive shell around themselves. What's deep down is fabulous, but they often can't show it.
I was a kid living on 28th with my family in manhattan. When he was killed . We went to Central Park the next day . It was one of my most memorable moments as a pre teen ... I’ll never forget that ...
I was 26 and living in Manhattan at the time. I spent the next day playing four-handed piano with a friend and smoking pot. I still weep at the thought of that day.
Yes. I was 16 -living in the mid west with his pictures on my wall. When he was killed i wanted\ to go to Centrsl Park so bad but could not. They show the central park vigil on TV. glad you were able to go & thank you for telling us here. ☮️💟
1:05 That is an absolutely perfect summation of what made Lennon/The Beatles so Great. It’s one thing to create Great Art… It’s another thing-to create Great _Music._ The Beatles created the _Greatest Music,_ AND the _Greatest Art._ Who else could’ve written “A Day In The Life”? How do you write a haunting, existential nightmare-that people Sing along with? How do you turn an entire Dostoevsky Novel-into a 4 minute Pop Song? “Tomorrow Never Knows”… How do you turn a Spiritual, Psychedelic Odyssey-into a Song that creates “Alternative Music” and goes on to shape every Genre of Music-60 years later? How can one Artist create the _Greatest Art…_ AND the Greatest Pop Music… AND be the most Popular Artist in The World? _How?_ Literally, _how_ is-what The Beatles did-even possible? I’m gonna go slam my head against a wall until it starts to make sense.
a lot of Paul’s and the other Beatles. People give John far too much credit for the avant-garde stuff when it was Paul who was the avant- guard one before 1968
Just imagine if John had lived just ten more years. Or Jimi Hendrix. Or Brian Jones. Or Freddie Mercury. Or Jim Morrison. Imagine the collaborations. The ideas. The new and exciting directions. All the music that never was brings a tear to my eye.
they would probably wither and keep playing concerts for the easy bucks. i don't think you can stay creative forever. look at those who are still alive jagger, bono, sting, knopfler, collins. They stopped being creative, their careers are in the past. Those who died died in their prime, left being at the top. But no king rules forever.
@@dx.feelgood5825 true to some degree. bowie might be that one exception. but you have to admit as well that by the time he died his career mostly burned out
@@dx.feelgood5825 see that's what i'm talking about. they burn out. they all do. not that there's nothing left in them and strong emotions associated with death sentence can manifest in a spur of creativity. queen's last album, partly created during last months of freddie is a great piece of music too.
These two giants were so modest within themselves yet to the rest of us, they were geniuses. I don't know if they ever realized the tremendous contribution they made to music, to the culture and to our lives.
are you suggesting ,he. should've told Paul not to have a manager or The Beatles ???he wanted them to sign up with Allen Klein,,who wanted 20% of the takings!!,(although he did clawback some money for them),Paul rightly saw the greedy slimy claws which Lennon didnt and said stuff him I'm out of here.I dont think Paul had a manager after the Beatles ...Lennon eventually saw what a slime bag he was after multiple court cases and lawyers fees,,,
@@strokerace4765 Never say that in front of muso people ,everything you say after that statement will not be given any credence whatsoever ever .I learned that at an early stage of my own career .
Both stars in their own right, but Bowie Was in a Galaxy All His Own and Thank the Universe he entered our Culture and actually Evolved it to a totally new Stratosphere!😍😎
@@matthewlawton9241 nonsense. As good as Bowie was, The Beatles were in a league of their own. They never missed. They wrote all their own material. Never limited themselves to a single idea or genre. Had three amazing songwriters (with two being pure genius) Every album was a game changing number one, they also were the first from Britain to break America paving the way for the enormous British Invasion. In 2006 the biggest survey of its kind was done in the Uk for best albums ever made. 4 Beatles alone made the top ten, with Sgt Pepper number one. Bowie was brilliant, a maverick, a charming legend who’s influence most certainly has it place in music folklore. But to compare him to the Beatles is an insult, and to say he was in a stratosphere above the highest selling musical act of all time is something he would laugh at himself.
I completely agree. Bowie, prodigious as he was, was far less original, musically, than John and the Beatles. Bowie was a brilliant pasticheur: that is, most of his musical compositions are pastiches of parts of other songs. They all did this to some degree, but Bowie took it to a new level. You take scraps here and there of what you hear, day in, day out, you throw them all together, reshuffle them a few times and presto! you have hits like "Fame," "Jean Genie," "TVC15," and so many others, which are great songs, but in fact mostly collages of other people's musical ideas.
Interesting how Bowie says Lennon was the one responsible for bringing elevated artistic ideas into pop music. Do we know how much of The Beatles' experimentation in this regard was down to Lennon? My feeling is that McCartney was just as important in this respect, especially when it came to more advanced musical aspects (e.g. orchestrating the crescendo in A Day in the Life; preparing the tape loops for Tomorrow Never Knows). Also let's not forget the big part that George Martin played. What would be amazing to see is in-studio, Get Back type footage of The Beatles working on their most creative albums - Sgt Pepper, Revolver. Just what was the creative dynamic like between Lennon and McCartney during that period; and what different aspects did each of them bring?
David Bowie talking about John Lennon and he was luminary of rock! His style was amazing and was sometimes a bit naive in what he said about the US Administration! But I have to say what he said about the US Administration was general right! It was very sad how he passed away so young! Only nine years younger than I am now! One thing about John Lennon is that he packed a lot in his life as did Bowie!
they both were geniuses, so funny and creative, and so true, i loved them both, and miss them that they are not here with us anymore... just evebodys dying oh shit :/
Bowie has such amazing bone structure to his face besides being a Rock N Roll legend. Great cheekbones and angular features. Could've been a model, although he would have had to buff himself up if male models back then were anything near as muscle-bound as they are today, but I digress.
@@markco61 That’s the beauty of film and also great pop music, they are Accessible, beautiful, complex, moving, uplifting, and connect people. Bach’s Goldberg Variation on the other hand is only a few of those features. Jesus Buddha Cult
It’s interesting after watching the get back series to know that Lennon was not confident as a musician. In hindsight he was probably the best rhythm guitarist and singer of his time.
Ive listened to this interview a couple times the last year or so. I read the comments for the first time today. The amount of folks saying Pete Best (God bless him) was as good or better than Ringo is crazy.
Estos dos son tremendos íconos de la música del siglo XX y XXI, pero Jhon Lennon claramente fue primero ya que con The Beatles desde app año 1962 a 1970, cambiaron todo, todo lo relacionado a la música pop. De allí nacieron fines de los 60 principios de los 70, otros grandes representantes como David Bowie, un genio del Glam Rock, el gran Duque Blanco, El Camaleón, que con varios discos, pero The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust, marcó una diferencia y se destacó como uno de los grandes.
The Beatles manager propelled them into what they became and after he died they were definitely in a very very different state. For Lennon to dismiss managers seems a very privileged thing to suggest
That is not how I interpreted his comments. I think John Lennon respected their former manager Brian Epstein, and what he did for the band, but, after he killed himself The Beatles had a lot of problems trying to work out what to do without him, they had a lot of bad characters trying to exploit them and so they decided just to start their own company and manage themselves. I think what John was meaning when he spoke to David was that if your current manager is not working for you then end it, and that you don't actually need a manager if you don't want one, because you can still be successful without a manager.
Brian Epstein was driven to get them signed, but was a financial idiot who lost millions. Brian Epstein made a lot of American businessman rich before John n Paul.
I heard in another interview Lennon did how Paul and George would go into studios with other artists and feel perfectly at ease helping out when he did not have the confidence to do that example Donovan mellow yellow that's Paul McCartney in the background saying quite rightly
Two very awesome musicians who had very humble beginnings have some great stories to share about the Fab Four. You should look them up. Peter Frampton and James Taylor. James was actually the first artist signed to Apple Records with much influence from Peter Asher.
It's like a Venn diagram, Lennon in one circle of magic, and Bowie in another circle of Magic and yet the circles overlap and here the mesmeric brilliance lay. Only annoying point here is Ono that ALWAYS has to open her trap, spoils it in a way ...
Just to politely say, John Lennon chose to get together with Yoko Ono, and chose to stay with her until his death. Their absolute union is well recorded. They were both deep thinkers and set each other off on a high of ideas.
Wow didnt know lennon co wrote fame, that was a cool tune, When I first heard it I thought it was someone like Ohio players or or some black artist, I bought the album actually my favorite tune on the album is China girl, hard to top that tune, and I didn't know it at the time but Stevie Ray Vaughn was in his band then too, he quit soon after to form his own band in Texas, He must have just known he'd hit big to leave an established performer and great money just for playing, tunes on the radio at that time 1975 man, Aerosmith Get your wings, Boston debut album that was huge, Frampton, Kiss, Lynard Synard, a new great band that still packs the seats today were coming out every week, that great first album from Bad Company, ZZ top's debut, Chicago, Live at Carnige hall, Edgar Winter's Frankenstein, Black Oak Arkansas, Foghat it goes on and on Rush Billy Squire, it were the golden age of rock. Those of us lucky enough to be teenagers back then had the greatest music ever
So John didn’t like his own voice and he didn’t think he was a good pianist or a guitarist. Then why are we billions listening to you sing and play almost everyday everywhere in the World
Interesting fact...........John came up with the hook, but it was "Aim" After a few practise runs, Bowie changed it to "Fame" which made much more sense, as it was relevant to what he and John were going through at the time. And a classic was born.
bowie and lennon made music from a position of true disillusion .. knowing that the adult world was broken.. whereas george harrisson grew up in emotionally secure families from what i've heard. thats prbably george found bowie not spiritually committed enough and a bit of a tourist .. but you have to keep yourself bouyant when you've grown up with trauma, grief and lonliness.. surrender isn't always an option
Some of John's lesser known tracks like Surprise Surprise have more interest than his more well-known 'worship my wisdom' songs like Instant Karma and Imagine. Bowie just comes off as a handsome empty scavenger, picking up whatever will give him attention and the next hit.
@@robertclive491 Nah, glam theater with characters with no personality, jumps from genius producer to genius producer (Eno, Rodgers) to caterwaul over for a hit, pretty much sums it up.
@@steveconn He didn't produce that either, Nimrod. Unless you're talking about Eno cowriting the song, which is far from the best on that album. You really seem to know so little about David Bowie it would be better if you just didn't speak of him. Since you hold him in such contempt this shouldn't be too hard for you I hope.
No both British, and Yoko was a big influence on John becoming a bit more obscure in his art not suprised he co wrote Fame sounds a bit tongue and cheek sarcastic associated with Johns dry British wit and John sort of mocked the industry after leaving the Beatles he did not want the "fame" everyone else adores and assumes he was crazy for abandoning but there is another side to that life and it's exploitations. John and David were both a bit obscure not typical pop stars as it were more artistic and sometimes controversial not what others always wanted or expected them to be.
They weren't equals, Bowie is far superior in many ways to John Lennon and John Lennon is superior to David Bowie in many ways. Both have influenced many and both are incredibly talented musically. Although Bowie has proven throughout his career that he's a genius Black Star honestly says enough.
Search TH-cam for the Lennon interview on Tom Snyder, 1973. It's 1 1/2 hours of low key, no fkn studio audience, conversation between the two. It was actually in the middle of his immigration/green card/deportation legal battle.
Sometimes if you play a melody backward you new a new melody or an inspiration for one. If you play “Move On” by Bowie you will notice that the chord sequence replicates All the Young Dudes (also written by Bowie), but Backwards. Someone has actually made a backwards video to show this : Play it from 30 seconds : th-cam.com/video/xkJJC7Ssrhs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-9KTAquuQRYdE0ZZ
When I was younger I never understood the hate against Yoko. The older I get, the more I understand. It's just like, "Shut up, Yoko. Nobody asked you. This is not your interview, OK?"
@@alukuhito Yeah this isn't her interview so why are her pathetic fanboys (you idiots) commenting about her? You definitely have some issues you need to work on yourself if you're letting her bother you this much. It's so annoying and frustrating, whenever I go into comment sections and I see her little fan boys unable to ignore her or just comment about the freaking video
No but I definitely get fed up with people like you who she has in the palm for hands, are in the comment section & y'all can't stfu about her. I noticed her in the video but I'm not incredibly pathetic so I wasn't that bothered and I commented something about the actual video not her cuz I'm not fucking obsessed with her like you idiots
@King Vegemite To be fair to the OP, there is just about as much evidence for Lennon rising as for Jesus rising, and more evidence that Lennon actually existed.
@King Vegemite AD is an antiquated naming convention. That's not evidence of anything other than someone else's belief. Try again. For the record, I am not saying that there was not a wandering Rabbi named Jesus a couple of millennia ago, I'm just saying there is scant real evidence outside of one or two suspect mentions. No historical record of the Slaughter of the Innocents, no historical account of the Resurrection of the Saints, no record of an earthquake rocking the temple of Jerusalem and the heavy curtain being rent, etc.
@King Vegemite I should also add that "AD" was created by Christian monks to move away from counting off eras based on the end of a Roman Emperor's reign, and it wasn't applied in any practical sense until it started being used to date documents in the 9th century. So, not really evidence of the existence of a man almost 900 years earlier.
I truly adore Bowie, but in interviews you get a feeling of something not authentic. Like he is trying to maintain a certain image (Cool, Intellectual, effervescing)
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Two real artists. Who cares if they weren´t the best instrumentalists, they had something much better and much more rare. They were poets, innovators, culture-shapers. There will never be another Lennon or Bowie, they were truly unique.
So true
they changed music forever
Amen 🙏 God bless them both.
Lennon was very most people would think he was a great guitarist
@@Samantha_C1Hello Samantha,
God Bless You For Blessing Them.
I Am 63 Years Old and Grew Up On These 2 Very Special, Gifted Artists.
Grace and Peace To You and Your Family
Ralph In CT.
Blows my mind that John says he had no confidence just jamming with others, the man wrote jems but was still insecure, amazing insight.
He was a songwriter first, not super technically skilled. He’s thinking of it in terms of contributing solos or guitar parts, which was most common form of rock collaboration in the 60s. George could go to just about any session and not have to worry. John is right thinking that there probably wasn’t much there for him. Fame worked because he helped write it.
He couldn’t ad lib.
I'm not surprised to hear him say that. He's admitted that musically (meaning, live playing) The Beatles were at their peak when it was him, Paul, George and Pete Best, from '60 - '62. He said once they got their record deal and sacked Pete, their musicianship took a steep dive that they never recovered from--even though they did go on to become highly proficient in the studio.
@@Cosmo-Kramer, he was looking back with rose-tinted glasses. Those who saw them in the early days say they were rotten musicians. They clearly improved as the years went on.
@@RS-ni3lj If by "early days", you mean prior to Pete joining the band and their first trip to Hamburg, yes, they were dreadful. But in August of '60 they went to Hamburg, jelled as a band now that they had permanent drummer, and Pete created the "Atom Beat", which became the band's signature sound, making them the class of two cities. Two years later, at the height of their playing ability, they sack Pete over jealousy (he got all the girls, and the fans in Liverpool were calling them, "Pete Best & The Beatles"), and hire the non-threatening Ringo as soon as they got their record contract. From that point forward, they were engulfed by Beatlemania, and were glued to the studio, never having time to stay sharp live, and their quality as a live act degraded badly, never to return.
Bowie so elegant and classy and Lennon so humble and modeste. The two talked from their heart
I had no idea how self-critical Lennon was. I always assume the opposite. They’re both very cool musicians.
Fuckin yoko
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All talent and true artistry come from introverts. How do you think they become masters of their art?
@@matthewlawton9241 the jerk of all jerks
it was his way of being humble and not being bothered by what he didn't want to be bothered with and that was playing music with others.
@@jameskrautheim4987 young man, a simple observation at 3:30 displays the tremendous love and confidence Yoko had towards John. Read your history. Imagine was inspired by her artworks of the 60s and co written by Ono. Drop the hate it doesn't suit you.
John Lennon is one of those people I keep coming back to for inspiration, ironically not for the ways he was a musical genius, but for all the ways he WASN'T.
He's absolutely right, he had a basic musical understanding, he couldn't shred, he didn't have George's chops, and he couldn't have kept up playing with Cream. He's probably almost as technically skilled as most 40-year-old bar band guitarists working day-jobs and jamming at night are today.
What set John apart, and in many ways what made Ringo a great drummer, was how they leveraged a limited toolset to produce music that not only could be done with their own limited skills, but DEMANDED the sounds they were able to make in order to sound "right." Elton John was an infinitely better piano player (still is), but he couldn't have done Imagine like Lennon did.
Amidst all the obnoxious competition in the music industry, the endless fighting over whether Hendrix is a better guitar player than Van Halen or whatever, John Lennon was a reminder that sometimes the obsession over "how good you are" is just blowing smoke. It doesn't always have an effect on how good the music is. In his brief career, both with the Beatles and as a solo artist, Lennon made some of the best, most iconic, most unforgettable music ever made. And to those of us who can't play like Van Halen or Steve Vai, he's a reminder that we still have the skills to do it if we quit all this worrying about who plays notes the fastest, and make the best music we can out of the gifts we have.
Very astute essay. I concur with every point, and I'm glad someone (else) presented them. I am a lifelong chef and musician; they are the only things I am any good at. It took me years and years to figure out how to get out of my own way and write a good song, and when I did, it all came tumbling out. Less is more, sometimes. You can take 5 ingredients and make the best meal anyone ever had. I like my Steely Dan, but if you know your limitations musically, you can still generate comparable masterpieces in your own courtyard. Lou Reed had similar bit of advice in an interview 40 years ago. He said, "You don't need a lot to get a song started. Just, say, there's a room, an L-shaped room, and, say a long table running along one wall. And that's even too much."
Of course, none of this prevents me from writing the occasional song with 21 chords, lol!
Really well said. There's a lot of silly debate going on here. Pete was better than Ringo...Ringo was better than Pete and so forth. The truth is that none of the four of them (assuming Ringo as the fourth) was so great that any of them would play as a top studio musician in today's climate.
What's more they were not a great live band by late 1960s standards. The roof top proves that they "could" play live if they had a limited repertoire, a kick ass keyboardist as a side man, and a shot at playing each number through 4 or 5 times to get the best cut. They are not exactly The Who or Hendrix or Santana crushing it at Woodstock.
The Beatles above all else is a collection of great songs executed and produced well in the studio. It's about composition and, if there is virtuosity, brilliant singing in 3 part harmony.
Did he inspire you to neglect your kids or beat your wife?
@@asawhitemanidjustliketosay Spoken like a true varsity athlete. Move along, son; the grownups are having a conversation.
@@lawsonj39 Just speaking truth
Bowie's analysis of Lennon's singularity as a creator is spot on
Two very special and talented men who I will always admire. Another thing occurred to me when John said “ I didn’t know much about the earlier stuff cos I’d left England by then”. It’s really hard to appreciate the limited communications and media coverage back then as in if you were out of town you were out of touch with the current trends! You had to be there to know what was happening! Fascinating really when you consider it 🧐
Sure but not exactly ;) Ziggy was huge in the US Lennon’s just being silly
@@jeffsframe9927 I think he meant at the very beginning when Bowie and glam rock were first taking hold in Britain.
Omg this nearly made me, a grown man, cry. My two fav song writers ever
Every day I’m thankful to have been alive at the same time as these artists
We aren't though, they're both dead :(
@@maxwellhaddow-mendes2703 That's a tacky joke.
@@joeybonin7691 It's not joke though, I was alive when Bowie was, not John though... I wish
I’m very thankful for having been around to see both of these giants as well as others like Hendrix, George Harrison, Bob Marley, John Bonham, etc. etc. etc. What a great time to be alive, as far as music is concerned.
@@joeybonin7691 why did you think that was a joke
I'm a huge Beatles fan John Lennon and George being my favorite though I love them all, but David Bowie class act genius
But, Bowie firing The Spiders by announcing it to the audience the night of their last concert could have been handled with more class. Not the move of a genius. But at that point, fame had gone straight to his head. He blew it. Still, he was a great entertainer.
@@BCTGuitarPlayer it was the end of his persona they were probably told it was beforehand(the spiders) he and his persona were very different, it was part of his act
Awesome seeing them two together absolutely incredible 😍😍
Cool episode -John Lennon was amazing & I love the song FAME so much!
Bowie was gorgeous here! 💟☮️
John Lennon was, and still is my biggest Idol. And when he said: "I'Couldn't hang around with these guys and jam a little bit, because of my limited guitar playing", I realized, that MY guitar playing is very much more limited. But isn't the meaning of music more about writing good songs instead of being an instrumental acrobat?
nop
Depends on your musical gol, i for one prefer to be a good composer than a virtuosist player, so yes in my opinion
Yes, that's right.
Lennon is also comparing himself to some of the greatest of all time.
@@benpietrzykowski9216 he was one of the greates, listen to his first two albums and you'll go somewhere else in your mind
Great footage and such shear honesty. I could see how John was just shy around others because of his limited chords, and musical knowledge. Still those are the best and typically most talented uninhibited human beings. Of course there's different formulas as well. Look at Paul, who could get on with anyone, anywhere and just be creative. George was a bit in between, and Ringo personality wise was just cool, laugh, and keep great rythm. All together it was far and away some of the most magical music we'll ever know. I'm so thankful for others and myself who experienced it.
Total pros and Live here for David who was such a dynamic artist as well. He has a gleam on his face when he speaks of John. David also got Prince to go Independant. These cats knew how to pass on good insight because of the mutual respect. It shows.
Two artists that i adore so so so much
Both cool but Lennon truly is the greatest rock pop star of all times Lyrically he is untouchable. As a personality he was flawed but there was a very cool and nice person behind the tough guy persona.
Both showing a great respect for each other and a genuine friendship in what can be a very fake music industry
John was shockingly humble
When Lennon spoke I always think "Yes! I so agree and understand what you're saying." He was like so many intelligent men who had tough breaks and built a hard defensive shell around themselves. What's deep down is fabulous, but they often can't show it.
I Hope they are all together in rock and roll heaven
An Mick, too!
Damn, can I just use these words to write a song?
@@rosemarymills1671 Mick who?
They deserve to be there happy af.
Awesome.
I was a kid living on 28th with my family in manhattan. When he was killed . We went to Central Park the next day . It was one of my most memorable moments as a pre teen ... I’ll never forget that ...
I was 26 and living in Manhattan at the time. I spent the next day playing four-handed piano with a friend and smoking pot. I still weep at the thought of that day.
Yes. I was 16 -living in the mid west with his pictures on my wall. When he was killed i wanted\ to go to Centrsl Park so bad but could not. They show the central park vigil on TV. glad you were able to go & thank you for telling us here. ☮️💟
Bowie was one of the greats
A 1 off, the best artist 4 me personally
@@stevenbennett2951 Me too.
He sure was. Love him.
No bowie is the best!
both John & David bowie are the greatest, genius. I love John more
Two favorite artists.. love these guys.
1:05 That is an absolutely perfect summation of what made Lennon/The Beatles so Great.
It’s one thing to create Great Art…
It’s another thing-to create Great _Music._
The Beatles created the _Greatest Music,_ AND the _Greatest Art._
Who else could’ve written “A Day In The Life”?
How do you write a haunting, existential nightmare-that people Sing along with?
How do you turn an entire Dostoevsky Novel-into a 4 minute Pop Song?
“Tomorrow Never Knows”…
How do you turn a Spiritual, Psychedelic Odyssey-into a Song that creates “Alternative Music” and goes on to shape every Genre of Music-60 years later?
How can one Artist create the _Greatest Art…_
AND the Greatest Pop Music…
AND be the most Popular Artist in The World?
_How?_
Literally, _how_ is-what The Beatles did-even possible?
I’m gonna go slam my head against a wall until it starts to make sense.
a lot of Paul’s and the other Beatles. People give John far too much credit for the avant-garde stuff when it was Paul who was the avant- guard one before 1968
@@Kos0818 John's mind was always avant-garde - naturally.
Just imagine if John had lived just ten more years. Or Jimi Hendrix. Or Brian Jones. Or Freddie Mercury. Or Jim Morrison. Imagine the collaborations. The ideas. The new and exciting directions. All the music that never was brings a tear to my eye.
they would probably wither and keep playing concerts for the easy bucks. i don't think you can stay creative forever. look at those who are still alive jagger, bono, sting, knopfler, collins. They stopped being creative, their careers are in the past. Those who died died in their prime, left being at the top. But no king rules forever.
@@an-cx1ho Bowie kept going till he died. His last album is considered his biggest masterpiece by a lot of people.
@@dx.feelgood5825 true to some degree. bowie might be that one exception. but you have to admit as well that by the time he died his career mostly burned out
@@an-cx1ho for awhile, but he also had like- a ten year break for awhile after his heart attack
@@dx.feelgood5825 see that's what i'm talking about. they burn out. they all do. not that there's nothing left in them and strong emotions associated with death sentence can manifest in a spur of creativity. queen's last album, partly created during last months of freddie is a great piece of music too.
These two giants were so modest within themselves yet to the rest of us, they were geniuses. I don't know if they ever realized the tremendous contribution they made to music, to the culture and to our lives.
Lennon told Bowie not to have a manager in 75. Shame he didn’t say the same thing to Paul in 69…
I think that's partly WHY he told him tbh
shame he didn't say it to himself in 69 , he hired that crook allen klein and then had to sue him years later
are you suggesting ,he. should've told Paul not to have a manager or The Beatles ???he wanted them to sign up with Allen Klein,,who wanted 20% of the takings!!,(although he did clawback some money for them),Paul rightly saw the greedy slimy claws which Lennon didnt and said stuff him I'm out of here.I dont think Paul had a manager after the Beatles ...Lennon eventually saw what a slime bag he was after multiple court cases and lawyers fees,,,
Well he learned about not needing a manager because of the Klein situation
Is there anybody to hold a light to these two today .Cant think anyone comes close .
6ix9ine obviously
@@ahmedkazmi9907
🤓 yeah , but aside from him (?)
Kanye West is better than The Beatles, The Stones and Queen combined! Mofo a genius
@@strokerace4765 Never say that in front of muso people ,everything you say after that statement will not be given any credence whatsoever ever .I learned that at an early stage of my own career .
@@strokerace4765 I actually agree that Kanye is brilliant despite being pretty messed up, but he is no Bowie.
So much humility. . I love John.
You do know he beat his wives neglected his son and was well documented as a homophobic?
@@asawhitemanidjustliketosay do you have direct quotes about what he said about gay people?
@@redlady935 look it up yourself, he beat a dj nearly to death for joking about him being gay
@@asawhitemanidjustliketosay I looked it up. That was when he was really young and he evolved since then and regretted his attitude and behaviour
@@redlady935 Still did it
Both stars in their own right, but Bowie Was in a Galaxy All His Own and Thank the Universe he entered our Culture and actually Evolved it to a totally new Stratosphere!😍😎
@@matthewlawton9241 nonsense. As good as Bowie was, The Beatles were in a league of their own. They never missed. They wrote all their own material. Never limited themselves to a single idea or genre. Had three amazing songwriters (with two being pure genius) Every album was a game changing number one, they also were the first from Britain to break America paving the way for the enormous British Invasion. In 2006 the biggest survey of its kind was done in the Uk for best albums ever made. 4 Beatles alone made the top ten, with Sgt Pepper number one. Bowie was brilliant, a maverick, a charming legend who’s influence most certainly has it place in music folklore. But to compare him to the Beatles is an insult, and to say he was in a stratosphere above the highest selling musical act of all time is something he would laugh at himself.
I completely agree. Bowie, prodigious as he was, was far less original, musically, than John and the Beatles. Bowie was a brilliant pasticheur: that is, most of his musical compositions are pastiches of parts of other songs. They all did this to some degree, but Bowie took it to a new level. You take scraps here and there of what you hear, day in, day out, you throw them all together, reshuffle them a few times and presto! you have hits like "Fame," "Jean Genie," "TVC15," and so many others, which are great songs, but in fact mostly collages of other people's musical ideas.
Maddy,you do know John Lennon was in a band called The Beatles 🤔 Check them out.
Bowie's take on across the universe is sublime
Loved watching this
Interesting how Bowie says Lennon was the one responsible for bringing elevated artistic ideas into pop music. Do we know how much of The Beatles' experimentation in this regard was down to Lennon?
My feeling is that McCartney was just as important in this respect, especially when it came to more advanced musical aspects (e.g. orchestrating the crescendo in A Day in the Life; preparing the tape loops for Tomorrow Never Knows). Also let's not forget the big part that George Martin played.
What would be amazing to see is in-studio, Get Back type footage of The Beatles working on their most creative albums - Sgt Pepper, Revolver. Just what was the creative dynamic like between Lennon and McCartney during that period; and what different aspects did each of them bring?
David Bowie talking about John Lennon and he was luminary of rock! His style was amazing and was sometimes a bit naive in what he said about the US Administration! But I have to say what he said about the US Administration was general right! It was very sad how he passed away so young! Only nine years younger than I am now! One thing about John Lennon is that he packed a lot in his life as did Bowie!
He did well to get rid of Ziggy, an idiotic character that prevented me from realizing Bowie's brilliance for a few years.
Love both of these guys 🤗❤️
they both were geniuses, so funny and creative, and so true, i loved them both, and miss them that
they are not here with us anymore... just evebodys dying oh shit :/
True Words, once the world was an interesting place, no one reads anything now, just reactory existing.
Bowie has such amazing bone structure to his face besides being a Rock N Roll legend. Great cheekbones and angular features. Could've been a model, although he would have had to buff himself up if male models back then were anything near as muscle-bound as they are today, but I digress.
Yes, he did. He pulled off the "no brow" look back in 1975 because of those high cheekbones and chisled jawline.
Lennon, brutally honest always.
"Artwork for the people... not the elitists" - that line alone says volumes.
@@markco61 That’s the beauty of film and also great pop music, they are Accessible, beautiful, complex, moving, uplifting, and connect people. Bach’s Goldberg Variation on the other hand is only a few of those features.
Jesus Buddha Cult
John Lennon/Paul. Mccartney were the best songwriters/musicians of the 20th century & now.
lol, john not realizing he would be a legend. Love it.
Nonsense! Lennon was already a legend while he was a Beatles and he very well knew it. He may not have liked it but he damn well did know it.
It’s interesting after watching the get back series to know that Lennon was not confident as a musician. In hindsight he was probably the best rhythm guitarist and singer of his time.
And songwriter
I can’t believe I’m only now noticing Bowie’s eyes 🤦🏼♂️
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched Bowie and never noticed until that one… I feel embarrassed about it 🤦🏼♂️
@@kevomacattack4368 Fake Bowie Fan...If you are a "fan".
@@antoniocarlin5026 He's not a true Scotsman?
Everyone has eyes
@@sexobscura Some people are born without eyes. Some folks have their eyes poked out. So no, not everyone has them.
Bowie and Lennon should've done more stuff together .
Ive listened to this interview a couple times the last year or so. I read the comments for the first time today. The amount of folks saying Pete Best (God bless him) was as good or better than Ringo is crazy.
Estos dos son tremendos íconos de la música del siglo XX y XXI, pero Jhon Lennon claramente fue primero ya que con The Beatles desde app año 1962 a 1970, cambiaron todo, todo lo relacionado a la música pop. De allí nacieron fines de los 60 principios de los 70, otros grandes representantes como David Bowie, un genio del Glam Rock, el gran Duque Blanco, El Camaleón, que con varios discos, pero The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust, marcó una diferencia y se destacó como uno de los grandes.
John plays the grinding guitar lick at the end of the riff.
Love them both!
Love seeing some Lennon on Bowie action
Legend on legend
The Beatles manager propelled them into what they became and after he died they were definitely in a very very different state. For Lennon to dismiss managers seems a very privileged thing to suggest
well his advice wasn’t that nobody should have management but rather david bowie at his point in his career didn’t need one
You make a fair point here.
That is not how I interpreted his comments. I think John Lennon respected their former manager Brian Epstein, and what he did for the band, but, after he killed himself The Beatles had a lot of problems trying to work out what to do without him, they had a lot of bad characters trying to exploit them and so they decided just to start their own company and manage themselves. I think what John was meaning when he spoke to David was that if your current manager is not working for you then end it, and that you don't actually need a manager if you don't want one, because you can still be successful without a manager.
@@dougburr4192 agreed
Brian Epstein was driven to get them signed, but was a financial idiot who lost millions. Brian Epstein made a lot of American businessman rich before John n Paul.
David Bowie was super cool, the man was on soul train!! Him and Elton John
Two LEGENDS.
David Bowie was an exceptional person, forget music - just a wonderful talented guy.
I heard in another interview Lennon did how Paul and George would go into studios with other artists and feel perfectly at ease helping out when he did not have the confidence to do that example Donovan mellow yellow that's Paul McCartney in the background saying quite rightly
Two very awesome musicians who had very humble beginnings have some great stories to share about the Fab Four. You should look them up. Peter Frampton and James Taylor. James was actually the first artist signed to Apple Records with much influence from Peter Asher.
It's like a Venn diagram, Lennon in one circle of magic, and Bowie in another circle of Magic and yet the circles overlap and here the mesmeric brilliance lay. Only annoying point here is Ono that ALWAYS has to open her trap, spoils it in a way ...
Just to politely say, John Lennon chose to get together with Yoko Ono, and chose to stay with her until his death. Their absolute union is well recorded. They were both deep thinkers and set each other off on a high of ideas.
@@Earnshawfully Couldnt have said it better myself. Not everyone liked her no. But I'll tell ya who did, John did. Thats all that matters.
I can see why jamming with CREAM would be intimidating for any mortal.
Wow didnt know lennon co wrote fame, that was a cool tune, When I first heard it I thought it was someone like Ohio players or or some black artist, I bought the album actually my favorite tune on the album is China girl, hard to top that tune, and I didn't know it at the time but Stevie Ray Vaughn was in his band then too, he quit soon after to form his own band in Texas, He must have just known he'd hit big to leave an established performer and great money just for playing, tunes on the radio at that time 1975 man, Aerosmith Get your wings, Boston debut album that was huge, Frampton, Kiss, Lynard Synard, a new great band that still packs the seats today were coming out every week, that great first album from Bad Company, ZZ top's debut, Chicago, Live at Carnige hall, Edgar Winter's Frankenstein, Black Oak Arkansas, Foghat it goes on and on Rush Billy Squire, it were the golden age of rock. Those of us lucky enough to be teenagers back then had the greatest music ever
Somehow, Yoko felt compelled to intervine and give her opinion.
How strange!!
Yeah, damn her for encouraging him and saying, “You can do it”.
Thats her!!! Ug!!!
I love the London accent.
The scary thing is that David Bowie was next on the hit list of Lennon’s killer
No way?
@@jacoblandman7345 Fact
So was Todd Rundgren.
Yeah. At least we had him a few years more
You mean, Poppy Bush?
They best friends had more then eye can see
So John didn’t like his own voice and he didn’t think he was a good pianist or a guitarist. Then why are we billions listening to you sing and play almost everyday everywhere in the World
The Melodies
jesusbuddhacult.com
Rock 'n' Roll with lipstick on! 😆
Interesting fact...........John came up with the hook, but it was "Aim" After a few practise runs, Bowie changed it to "Fame" which made much more sense, as it was relevant to what he and John were going through at the time. And a classic was born.
bowie and lennon made music from a position of true disillusion .. knowing that the adult world was broken.. whereas george harrisson grew up in emotionally secure families from what i've heard. thats prbably george found bowie not spiritually committed enough and a bit of a tourist .. but you have to keep yourself bouyant when you've grown up with trauma, grief and lonliness.. surrender isn't always an option
He is up there with the likes of Lennon.
Well, he is now...
Bowie so lovely
John could have been a comedian
No
@@stanmonzon5788 ....body cares what you think.
@@exclamationpointman3852 I know.
All scousers are funny. Even when they're not trying to be.
@@tonybones2822 :) yeah?
John was the introverted artist, Harrison called the shots
Some of John's lesser known tracks like Surprise Surprise have more interest than his more well-known 'worship my wisdom' songs like Instant Karma and Imagine. Bowie just comes off as a handsome empty scavenger, picking up whatever will give him attention and the next hit.
A very superficial analysis of Bowie's work, I doubt you're very familiar with it.
@@robertclive491 Nah, glam theater with characters with no personality, jumps from genius producer to genius producer (Eno, Rodgers) to caterwaul over for a hit, pretty much sums it up.
@@steveconn Eno never produced a Bowie record, moron.
@@robertclive491 Heroes, anyone? Checkmate, chump.
@@steveconn He didn't produce that either, Nimrod. Unless you're talking about Eno cowriting the song, which is far from the best on that album. You really seem to know so little about David Bowie it would be better if you just didn't speak of him. Since you hold him in such contempt this shouldn't be too hard for you I hope.
🤣anybody else giggle at the title?
This is very cool
Also John Lennon, avant garde is french for ''bullshit''.
The Real Thing is La Bruja De Texcoco, both Lennon and Bowie are history.
3 minutes in and Yoko suddenly appears lmao
I found it more annoying than funny.
This pair would be sweating like an 20 stone man in a Sauna today if Dylan gets sunk ! Fortunately they’ve had an early dart.
Why is nobody talking about those weirdass last seconds
If you think that’s weird wait til you see the film.
How come we the fans didn’t experience Lennon’s great avant grade ideas.
You did. They came in the form of Yoko's vocal contributions.
Well… Yoko was his avant guard idea. Plus he put avant guard sounds in his songs- they are not avant guard now but they were then.
Listen to his Wedding Album!
Revolution #9. Strawberry Fields.
It’s funny in the comments people talking like they were equals 😂. It’s Frank Sinatra and Robbie Williams.
No both British, and Yoko was a big influence on John becoming a bit more obscure in his art not suprised he co wrote Fame sounds a bit tongue and cheek sarcastic associated with Johns dry British wit and John sort of mocked the industry after leaving the Beatles he did not want the "fame" everyone else adores and assumes he was crazy for abandoning but there is another side to that life and it's exploitations. John and David were both a bit obscure not typical pop stars as it were more artistic and sometimes controversial not what others always wanted or expected them to be.
I am guessing you see Lennon as Sinatra and Bowie as Williams. Funny then that Lennon was in awe of Bowie.
@@ivankaramasov You know that how?
They weren't equals, Bowie is far superior in many ways to John Lennon and John Lennon is superior to David Bowie in many ways.
Both have influenced many and both are incredibly talented musically.
Although Bowie has proven throughout his career that he's a genius Black Star honestly says enough.
I had never heard Lennon speak casually, reminds me of Karl PIlkington a lil bit :D
Search TH-cam for the Lennon interview on Tom Snyder, 1973. It's 1 1/2 hours of low key, no fkn studio audience, conversation between the two. It was actually in the middle of his immigration/green card/deportation legal battle.
love
What does Lennon mean by when they needed a middle 8 and so did a Wonder middle 8 and did it backwards?
Sometimes if you play a melody backward you new a new melody or an inspiration for one. If you play “Move On” by Bowie you will notice that the chord sequence replicates All the Young Dudes (also written by Bowie), but Backwards.
Someone has actually made a backwards video to show this : Play it from 30 seconds :
th-cam.com/video/xkJJC7Ssrhs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-9KTAquuQRYdE0ZZ
Thank you MDC. You did us a favor
Lennon telling Bowie you don’t need a manager is hilarious. Lennon had a manager, YoKo!!!!
Does anyone else get fed up with yoko barching in into everything?
When I was younger I never understood the hate against Yoko. The older I get, the more I understand. It's just like, "Shut up, Yoko. Nobody asked you. This is not your interview, OK?"
@@alukuhito Yeah this isn't her interview so why are her pathetic fanboys (you idiots) commenting about her?
You definitely have some issues you need to work on yourself if you're letting her bother you this much.
It's so annoying and frustrating, whenever I go into comment sections and I see her little fan boys unable to ignore her or just comment about the freaking video
No but I definitely get fed up with people like you who she has in the palm for hands, are in the comment section & y'all can't stfu about her.
I noticed her in the video but I'm not incredibly pathetic so I wasn't that bothered and I commented something about the actual video not her cuz I'm not fucking obsessed with her like you idiots
whats that Diana clon bit at the end ¿ it puzzled me lol
Their opinions of each other are none of my business.
Legends
Any one know what the Stevie Wonder song was?
Is that manager Tony Defries?
John Lennon was better than Christ
@King Vegemite To be fair to the OP, there is just about as much evidence for Lennon rising as for Jesus rising, and more evidence that Lennon actually existed.
@King Vegemite AD is an antiquated naming convention. That's not evidence of anything other than someone else's belief. Try again. For the record, I am not saying that there was not a wandering Rabbi named Jesus a couple of millennia ago, I'm just saying there is scant real evidence outside of one or two suspect mentions. No historical record of the Slaughter of the Innocents, no historical account of the Resurrection of the Saints, no record of an earthquake rocking the temple of Jerusalem and the heavy curtain being rent, etc.
@King Vegemite I should also add that "AD" was created by Christian monks to move away from counting off eras based on the end of a Roman Emperor's reign, and it wasn't applied in any practical sense until it started being used to date documents in the 9th century. So, not really evidence of the existence of a man almost 900 years earlier.
@King Vegemite I'm sorry, I was under the impression I was talking to a grown-up.
@King Vegemite Christ neither
Nice!
I truly adore Bowie, but in interviews you get a feeling of something not authentic. Like he is trying to maintain a certain image (Cool, Intellectual, effervescing)
I think what you see is a cool and intellectual, but also very private guy who is not always comfortable in the interview setting.
John look suspicious too.
John Laid Non et David Beau Oui )))
Il n’y a que la langue française où on peut faire de tels jeux de mots…
@@chicklets4ever51 L'humour est presque tout ce qui nous reste!
@@crapaudmagique924 oui, mais c'est aussi en fonction de la phonetique française, qui permet toute sorte d'homonymies et homeonymies...
@@chicklets4ever51 Ok mais homeonymie c'est un néologisme?
@@crapaudmagique924 Ben, le prefixe "homo" veut dire "pareil," et "homeo" veut dire "presque pareil"...
Awwwww homies
Bowie wrote FAME? Well yeah ok but that groove, vibe and sound is complete "lift' of a b-side James Brown tune.
Yep. That's how Bowie wrote. Cut and paste. 'Jean Genie' is a rehash of the Yardbird's "I'm a Man", which was a cover of the Bo Diddley original.
He wrote it with John Lennon in the studio. Their collaboration was not planned.
Of course Yoko had to open her yap.