check out the OSCA02...they're almost identical those two...go for the best priced one... I recommend buying the "plain" ones, with NO suffix ...for example NO " OSCA02M or OSC2002M "...in this case the "M" stands for a CHINA oriented flavor of Android support. The "plain" versions will run LOTO Windows software and you can get HScope Android support separately from the Play Store later if you so desire.
Hey Martin. Are there plans on getting support for this device with your hscope software? If so, any time frame in mind? I am interested in using the extra bandwidth and sample rate with this model rather than whats available with the OSC482 and OSC802. Thanks for all the hard work you put into this project.
Thx Denis...great video. You a doing the "Tinkering" community a great service by making us both aware and more informed about these products. Your technical capacities are impressive. Do you mind if I ask what you did/do in your working life. If you prefer to keep that private I totally understand. Cheers ...Ian P.S...got my OTG adapter ...H-Scope...Amazing
+TheGibby3340 - in a previous life I was in trades (machinist & millwright) The automotive is shade tree mechanic since I was a teen...long time ago...LOL You'll love HScope. Make sure you're on the BETA version. It's (153) currently. And there have been features added that are outstanding. Am busting my chops on HC-06 bluetooth modules that are not cooperating and words of support like yours Ian help me stick with it. Tough business, at times! Denis
logical canuck Oh wow. It doesn’t surprise me Denis your work it exacting. I have a wee toy lathe (copy of the Emco 8) I am a rubbish machinist though. But working on it. 😀
Not really sure but for the other models like 482 and so I had learned that you can add all the options afterwards that easy especially the logic analyzer. In one of the loto official store offers they mentioned that purchasing the logic module later would NOT WORK unless you ship the unit you have back to the manufacturer - I guess for a firmware update. And that made me think twice cause there are usually for the 482 and osca02 about 7 models available where you can not be sure that purchasing it would mean that it works. The signal generator S01 for osc482 is working without any update, later you had told me that on all the models the right otg adapter would let hscope work so there is no need to get the osc482M or even osc482F cause I wanted to get the Logic Analyzer and therefore would have been forced to get the 127€ model F instead of a model L for 80€ and 12€ hscope licence. But of cause if your logic module is working out of the box or maybe you had gotten it from a different one like the osca02L then at least the OSC2002 has no firmware protection and works with any logic analyzer (compatible one) I guess. Or did you get the OSC2002L cause I already found different versions like OSC2002 for 121€, OSC2002M for 152€ (basicly an otg adapter + hscope licence for 31€) OSC2002L for 144€ for the logic analyzer one. But I can not find the offer or link where they had said that the unit has to be shipped back to get the Logic module running cause a later purchase alone would not do the trick. But I have ordered a OSC482L to stay on the safe side and get at least Logic module support and hope for the android support so that I can buy the app from Marin via google store. thx
OSC482L bundles the logic analyzer cables. To my knowledge, the oscilloscope is no different than "plain" OSC482 logic analyzer supported in Win10 software only
could you do a video of a comparison with all your scopes using a clamp-on amp tool to measure relative compression test, i,m still working on noise problems w/1008
+henry robinson - I'm not sure that would make for much of a video, Henry... The HT1008 noise you're referring to...is it along the lines of what I discuss in GADGETS#17? th-cam.com/video/T3rbQ5Pm1YI/w-d-xo.html If so, not much can be done about that...it's a noisy scope; that's it 😐 That's the thing the two LOTO oscilloscopes I've featured have really impressed me. And those HS10x scopes we build here are quiet too. But both HANTEK are "noisy". Still very usable and still amazing technology at that price but noisier than I'd like. That said, the relative compression test with amp clamp is very easy and well within the capabilities of your HT1008. There's a learning curve to this stuff...but I'm sure you'll get there my friend.
Thanks for the video. Wondering how OSC2002 compares to Owon VDS1022I. Not by paper specs, but in real-world use, and when comparing only hardware properties and not the ones artificially boosted by a computer (which has unlimited disk memory). Price-wise OSC2002 costs 25 EUR more than VDS1022I. Is it worth it? At least, VDS1022I has USB isolation, which makes it more "fool-proof". I'm a hobbyist, working on occasional projects (Arduino, Raspberry) and also home device repairs (audio/TV), and have no space to keep a proper bench scope on my table. Also, I have impaired vision, so with USB scopes, I can zoom the image on the computer screen to make it easier for me to see. I wish there were full-featured USB alternatives to Rigol budget scopes for a lower price. USB scopes have no screen, no knobs, no complex firmware - should be cheaper right? But, unfortunately, it doesn't work that way in real life.
OWON is noisy. Also consider software in choosing. LOTO has good software. The OSC2002 you're pricing here is near the top end of LOTO lineup. You might consider OSCA02 which is very close and better priced. And for $65 you can find OSC482 which is a very decent oscilloscope. Whichever you chose, I recommend you buy the version with no "suffix" attached to model number...just "plain"... Any of the above better than the OWON, IMO
I'm really enjoying this content, right up my street I have a question does the performance of the tablet or pc that you use have an effect on the performance of the scope? thanks
The hardware is the hardware no matter if OSC2002 is with LOTO Windows or Android HScope. The ease of trigger, capture and features like labels, 720 overlays, markers, file saving and sharing, display quality, mobility and more make HScope the better software. I've come to appreciate the memory depth of this oscilloscope. It is basically the same as the new A02 (HScope recognizes 2002 as A02) so, whichever of the two models is cheaper...
LOTO supplied OSC482 and OSC2002 to The Gadgets Playlist. They can be found on AMAZON.com (and eBay, Banggood, Aliexpress) for $65 and $150 respectively. Thanks so much for the comment!
there were 2 OSC482 screenshots: 1) with LOTO Win10 software with a 2.4MSa/s rate and that was sharp. LOTO captures pages which get saved sequentially with page boundaries. 2) HScope can capture at that high sample rate in SCOPE mode but will save 1 page buffer only. The screenshot shown was in AUTOMOTIVE mode which uses a streaming method without any page boundary. But the limit is 125KSa/s for this. Yes, something fast like CAN BUS doesn't get as well defined at that low sample rate, but IMO this is still clear enough to diagnose an issue according to car technician requirements. We are not trying to actually decode the CAN BUS where sharp square waves would be needed.
OSC2002 has plenty of bandwidth for detailed CAN BUS waveforms with its 100 MSa/s sample rate. If you check this video at 5:50 and again at 8:10 you can see the excellent quality of that waveform. These were taken using the LOTO Win10 software.
Hi sir, i'm looking to buy my first oscilloscope. Would you choose Loto OSC2002 or Picoscope 2204A? Thanks in advance. Love your gadgets series, so many innovations for cents of cost, keep it up! 🙂
+Djuka Begovic - what is your area of interest, automotive, electronics...? And, is it as a DIY or professional use? And, are you into contemplating Android tablet use or Windows?
@@ShaunTsInsanity - then, none of the above. I would go with LOTO OSC482, less money and more suited for automotive than OSC2002. And leaves Android option available should you decide on it later. The PICO 2204A is less scope for more money. But it does have a +/-20v input. This can be done on OSC482 with 4x attenuator featured on the Gadgets Playlist.
logical Canuck. i had ordered the osc482 Android from Banggood a month ago and they wound up sending me the osc2002L. so my question is, do you know if Hscope will be adding this model to the list? im having a hell of a time getting them to swap it out and its of no use to me as a pc only scope. than you..
There will be no problem using OSC482L with HScope. All the "L" means is that they've bundled a plain OSC482 with the logic analyzer cable. You'll be good to go, Ron!
@@ronsneydjr3509 - you do not want the "F" or the "M" as they have a version of Android built in that is not the HScope version available on Play Store that I recommend. The "L" is the proper OSC482 with an extra cable thrown into the box. You will be OK Denis
@@theGADGETSplaylist they mistakingly sent me a loto OSC2002L usb oscilloscope... instead of the osc482 that i ordered. maybe i didnt explain it right the first time. but thank you for the fast response..
@@ronsneydjr3509 I'm sorry Ron! For some reason, even though you had CLEARLY written 2002, I kept seeing 482... OSC2002 is not supported at this time. My understanding is that it will be recognized as a A02 when that model gets HScope support in near future and will function. Again, sorry for not spotting that 2002 properly being so sure we were talking about 482. I was seeing what I wanted to see, I guess...
+Васян Нирванов - The 1GS/s is divided by 5 no matter if you use the other "channels" or not. If you use only 2 CH, each will still be 200MS/s. Here's a link to the OSC2002 manual and a model comparison chart: drive.google.com/open?id=1_xrtEeWmfWJs7BIHy_Yy8_QXcDr5b-WD
Is there a Hscope licenses for the 2002 yet? I have this model as it was sent for me to test . I gave my input a few times and gave it some recognition on my Instagram page where it got several hundred likes . But I feel the Hscope software would run this scope much better them the Loto S.W.
Your timing could not be better, Mark! OSC2002 got HScope yesterday! Indirectly...it is recognized as A02...so purchase that licence. It is $21.99 Make sure you are on the BETA program.
@@theGADGETSplaylist Awesome ! I see it listed for $16 USD , now I have the Automotive module I use with my Hantek will that module work with the Loto or will I need to buy a different module ?
hi i search about Combustible hc Gas Detector sensor for Arduino(mq9)or(mq 135) its must have 5 volt reference to work my idea to but this sensor in pipe like (Combustion Leak Detector) and check signal from sensor on scope ...the sensor signal will identify if engine head cracked and and leak please if you like idea make your searching on this sensor
+black mind - I REALLY do like your idea! There's lots of potential to this. There are presently lots of projects in progress on The GADGETS Playlist and this is summer. Our summers are short up here and need to be enjoyed. But I will definitely pursue MQ9. I'll even order sensors since things always take so much time to get here. Thanks for your input:)
LOTO OSC2002 now has HScope support with the purchase of model A02 licence !!!
thats great news i just got the osc2002.
@@ronsneydjr3509 did you find the OSCA02 licence?
Does this means the automotive license too ?
@@rajdindial6740 yes AUTOMOTIVE module is a separate license. A 1 time purchase and module will work with all your HScope supported models...
As an electronics hobbyist I think the OSC2002 is just what I need.
check out the OSCA02...they're almost identical those two...go for the best priced one...
I recommend buying the "plain" ones, with NO suffix ...for example NO " OSCA02M or OSC2002M "...in this case the "M" stands for a CHINA oriented flavor of Android support.
The "plain" versions will run LOTO Windows software and you can get HScope Android support separately from the Play Store later if you so desire.
Hola se ve que es un magnifico osciloscopio pero hay algo muy importante y es que respondes todos los comentarios felicidades
Lo intento y agradezco que te des cuenta :)
Very nice introduction to this new device, thanks!
Hey Martin. Are there plans on getting support for this device with your hscope software? If so, any time frame in mind? I am interested in using the extra bandwidth and sample rate with this model rather than whats available with the OSC482 and OSC802. Thanks for all the hard work you put into this project.
Thx Denis...great video. You a doing the "Tinkering" community a great service by making us both aware and more informed about these products. Your technical capacities are impressive. Do you mind if I ask what you did/do in your working life. If you prefer to keep that private I totally understand. Cheers ...Ian P.S...got my OTG adapter ...H-Scope...Amazing
+TheGibby3340 - in a previous life I was in trades (machinist & millwright)
The automotive is shade tree mechanic since I was a teen...long time ago...LOL
You'll love HScope. Make sure you're on the BETA version. It's (153) currently. And there have been features added that are outstanding.
Am busting my chops on HC-06 bluetooth modules that are not cooperating and words of support like yours Ian help me stick with it. Tough business, at times!
Denis
logical canuck Oh wow. It doesn’t surprise me Denis your work it exacting. I have a wee toy lathe (copy of the Emco 8) I am a rubbish machinist though. But working on it. 😀
@@TheGibby3340 - you got a lathe...cool, I'll know where to go when I need machining done😉
Not really sure but for the other models like 482 and so I had learned that you can add all the options afterwards that easy especially the logic analyzer. In one of the loto official store offers they mentioned that purchasing the logic module later would NOT WORK unless you ship the unit you have back to the manufacturer - I guess for a firmware update.
And that made me think twice cause there are usually for the 482 and osca02 about 7 models available where you can not be sure that purchasing it would mean that it works. The signal generator S01 for osc482 is working without any update, later you had told me that on all the models the right otg adapter would let hscope work so there is no need to get the osc482M or even osc482F cause I wanted to get the Logic Analyzer and therefore would have been forced to get the 127€ model F instead of a model L for 80€ and 12€ hscope licence.
But of cause if your logic module is working out of the box or maybe you had gotten it from a different one like the osca02L then at least the OSC2002 has no firmware protection and works with any logic analyzer (compatible one) I guess.
Or did you get the OSC2002L cause I already found different versions like
OSC2002 for 121€,
OSC2002M for 152€ (basicly an otg adapter + hscope licence for 31€)
OSC2002L for 144€ for the logic analyzer one.
But I can not find the offer or link where they had said that the unit has to be shipped back to get the Logic module running cause a later purchase alone would not do the trick. But I have ordered a OSC482L to stay on the safe side and get at least Logic module support and hope for the android support so that I can buy the app from Marin via google store.
thx
OSC482L bundles the logic analyzer cables. To my knowledge, the oscilloscope is no different than "plain" OSC482
logic analyzer supported in Win10 software only
could you do a video of a comparison with all your scopes using a clamp-on amp tool to measure relative compression test, i,m still working on noise problems w/1008
+henry robinson - I'm not sure that would make for much of a video, Henry...
The HT1008 noise you're referring to...is it along the lines of what I discuss in GADGETS#17?
th-cam.com/video/T3rbQ5Pm1YI/w-d-xo.html
If so, not much can be done about that...it's a noisy scope; that's it 😐
That's the thing the two LOTO oscilloscopes I've featured have really impressed me. And those HS10x scopes we build here are quiet too. But both HANTEK are "noisy". Still very usable and still amazing technology at that price but noisier than I'd like.
That said, the relative compression test with amp clamp is very easy and well within the capabilities of your HT1008. There's a learning curve to this stuff...but I'm sure you'll get there my friend.
Thanks for the video.
Wondering how OSC2002 compares to Owon VDS1022I. Not by paper specs, but in real-world use, and when comparing only hardware properties and not the ones artificially boosted by a computer (which has unlimited disk memory).
Price-wise OSC2002 costs 25 EUR more than VDS1022I. Is it worth it?
At least, VDS1022I has USB isolation, which makes it more "fool-proof".
I'm a hobbyist, working on occasional projects (Arduino, Raspberry) and also home device repairs (audio/TV), and have no space to keep a proper bench scope on my table. Also, I have impaired vision, so with USB scopes, I can zoom the image on the computer screen to make it easier for me to see.
I wish there were full-featured USB alternatives to Rigol budget scopes for a lower price. USB scopes have no screen, no knobs, no complex firmware - should be cheaper right? But, unfortunately, it doesn't work that way in real life.
OWON is noisy.
Also consider software in choosing. LOTO has good software.
The OSC2002 you're pricing here is near the top end of LOTO lineup. You might consider OSCA02 which is very close and better priced.
And for $65 you can find OSC482 which is a very decent oscilloscope.
Whichever you chose, I recommend you buy the version with no "suffix" attached to model number...just "plain"...
Any of the above better than the OWON, IMO
I'm really enjoying this content, right up my street I have a question does the performance of the tablet or pc that you use have an effect on the performance of the scope? thanks
The hardware is the hardware no matter if OSC2002 is with LOTO Windows or Android HScope.
The ease of trigger, capture and features like labels, 720 overlays, markers, file saving and sharing, display quality, mobility and more make HScope the better software.
I've come to appreciate the memory depth of this oscilloscope. It is basically the same as the new A02 (HScope recognizes 2002 as A02) so, whichever of the two models is cheaper...
Thanks for sharing sir. Im impressed with the scope software, very clean n neat information and control layouts. Where did you buy yours from?
LOTO supplied OSC482 and OSC2002 to The Gadgets Playlist.
They can be found on AMAZON.com (and eBay, Banggood, Aliexpress) for $65 and $150 respectively.
Thanks so much for the comment!
Denis was the sample rate too low on the 482 h scope screen shot...I was expecting a better capture
there were 2 OSC482 screenshots:
1) with LOTO Win10 software with a 2.4MSa/s rate and that was sharp. LOTO captures pages which get saved sequentially with page boundaries.
2) HScope can capture at that high sample rate in SCOPE mode but will save 1 page buffer only.
The screenshot shown was in AUTOMOTIVE mode which uses a streaming method without any page boundary. But the limit is 125KSa/s for this. Yes, something fast like CAN BUS doesn't get as well defined at that low sample rate, but IMO this is still clear enough to diagnose an issue according to car technician requirements. We are not trying to actually decode the CAN BUS where sharp square waves would be needed.
@@theGADGETSplaylist thanks denis. Always a pleasure.
@@rajdindial6740 welcome Raj:)
Hello sir .! I buy this week a OSC2002L is possible see the can bus lines ? Or need something bigger .!
OSC2002 has plenty of bandwidth for detailed CAN BUS waveforms with its 100 MSa/s sample rate.
If you check this video at 5:50 and again at 8:10 you can see the excellent quality of that waveform. These were taken using the LOTO Win10 software.
@@theGADGETSplaylist thanks you sir for your time .! Appreciate it .. I’m very happy have a good day .. excellent video
@@juliogarcia6323 my pleasure Julio:)
Hi sir, i'm looking to buy my first oscilloscope. Would you choose Loto OSC2002 or Picoscope 2204A? Thanks in advance.
Love your gadgets series, so many innovations for cents of cost, keep it up! 🙂
+Djuka Begovic - what is your area of interest, automotive, electronics...?
And, is it as a DIY or professional use?
And, are you into contemplating Android tablet use or Windows?
@@theGADGETSplaylist Automotive mostly, with some basic electronics. DIY use.
I would mainly use Windows laptop, but Android option is nice to have.
@@ShaunTsInsanity - then, none of the above.
I would go with LOTO OSC482, less money and more suited for automotive than OSC2002. And leaves Android option available should you decide on it later.
The PICO 2204A is less scope for more money. But it does have a +/-20v input.
This can be done on OSC482 with 4x attenuator featured on the Gadgets Playlist.
@@theGADGETSplaylist Thank you very much for fast and detailed answers. Really appreciate it. Cheers! 🍻
@@theGADGETSplaylist ThankYou very much, I was looking for a detailed answer like this.
logical Canuck. i had ordered the osc482 Android from Banggood a month ago and they wound up sending me the osc2002L. so my question is, do you know if Hscope will be adding this model to the list? im having a hell of a time getting them to swap it out and its of no use to me as a pc only scope. than you..
There will be no problem using OSC482L with HScope.
All the "L" means is that they've bundled a plain OSC482 with the logic analyzer cable.
You'll be good to go, Ron!
@@theGADGETSplaylist yes, i know. but they sent me the osc2002L not the osc482f.
@@ronsneydjr3509 - you do not want the "F" or the "M" as they have a version of Android built in that is not the HScope version available on Play Store that I recommend.
The "L" is the proper OSC482 with an extra cable thrown into the box.
You will be OK
Denis
@@theGADGETSplaylist they mistakingly sent me a loto OSC2002L usb oscilloscope... instead of the osc482 that i ordered. maybe i didnt explain it right the first time. but thank you for the fast response..
@@ronsneydjr3509 I'm sorry Ron!
For some reason, even though you had CLEARLY written 2002, I kept seeing 482...
OSC2002 is not supported at this time. My understanding is that it will be recognized as a A02 when that model gets HScope support in near future and will function.
Again, sorry for not spotting that 2002 properly being so sure we were talking about 482. I was seeing what I wanted to see, I guess...
if i only use 2 chanels for scoping, will it provide me more MS\s ? or it will be the same near 200MS\s per chanel?
+Васян Нирванов - The 1GS/s is divided by 5 no matter if you use the other "channels" or not.
If you use only 2 CH, each will still be 200MS/s.
Here's a link to the OSC2002 manual and a model comparison chart:
drive.google.com/open?id=1_xrtEeWmfWJs7BIHy_Yy8_QXcDr5b-WD
Is there a Hscope licenses for the 2002 yet? I have this model as it was sent for me to test . I gave my input a few times and gave it some recognition on my Instagram page where it got several hundred likes . But I feel the Hscope software would run this scope much better them the Loto S.W.
Your timing could not be better, Mark!
OSC2002 got HScope yesterday!
Indirectly...it is recognized as A02...so purchase that licence.
It is $21.99
Make sure you are on the BETA program.
@@theGADGETSplaylist Awesome ! I see it listed for $16 USD , now I have the Automotive module I use with my Hantek will that module work with the Loto or will I need to buy a different module ?
@@markhb3346 it will work:)
@@theGADGETSplaylist great ,thanks for the input greatly appreciated
wisdom view as usual
how much it going for in price
about $150US or $200CAN
hi i search about Combustible hc Gas Detector sensor for Arduino(mq9)or(mq 135) its must have 5 volt reference to work my idea to but this sensor in pipe like (Combustion Leak Detector) and check signal from sensor on scope ...the sensor signal will identify if engine head cracked and and leak
please if you like idea make your searching on this sensor
+black mind - I REALLY do like your idea!
There's lots of potential to this. There are presently lots of projects in progress on The GADGETS Playlist and this is summer. Our summers are short up here and need to be enjoyed.
But I will definitely pursue MQ9. I'll even order sensors since things always take so much time to get here. Thanks for your input:)
@@theGADGETSplaylist I'm glad you like it
many thanks for your time