The issue comes when a man OR woman doesn’t show or say from the jump they can’t be monogamous or simply don’t want to. More time they lure you in with false security and then decide they want to cheat. People should just be honest from the get go.
Zee zee should have brought on a better serial Cheater man, he weren’t really making sense & being honest. He was doing a lot of beating around the bush
Every villain has a backstory involving trauma. Every cheater and heartbreaker starts off as the heartbroken. Cheating becomes a defence mechanism against heartbreak by maintaining a feeling of power and emotional independence. It’s also a way of subconsciously exacting revenge on “women” who are now the perceived threat. Its like a warrior extending a hand of trust and peace whilst holding a sword behind his back with the other.
This boils down to trauma, immaturity selfishness, lack of self control and lack of respect for your partner. Cheating is a choice and if you know damn well you would hurt someone you supposedly care for or love and you would feel truly heartbroken should they do the same, you wouldn’t do it . Temptation is always going to be there and If it’s so hard to ignore them just be bloody single and date and sleep with who you please.
If open relationships is your thing then cool. So long as the people who you’re involved with know this then no problem. It’s when open relationships are your thing and you lie or mislead the other person then that’s when it’s an issue. Everyone is entitled to the type of relationship they wish to be in.
@@yasminclarke8271 most people are in open relationships! But they are just not verbally open about it! A lot of women have side dudes! It’s not possible to be with one person, any woman who genuinely believes a man will be with them and only them is delusional and naive
@@thetgrenadegranada1570interesting, so why are so many men hurt when they find out the woman they are seeing has a side dude!!! Maybe you should say any man or women who believes that is naive. I won’t justify cheating, like I said if being with more than one person is your thing then be clear about that with the people you are seeing, but I guess your options would drop wouldn’t they.
Personally as a man if your going into a relationship and you know monogamy is not for you then as a man you need to own up to that and be straight up with the woman and let her know that she is not the only woman you will be sleeping with and that way it gives the woman a choice to think about if she will be ok with the man having other women involved in his life, no point sneaking around and lying to your woman, men need to just man up and own up to their polygamous nature and stop lying to women pretending to be monogamous.
Richie points were clear on early experiences that make men cheat. Different reasons why men and women cheat. Garvey's point on conversation and reasoning, is not the final resolution, as there is no justifiable reason to cheat, otherwise it wouldn't be called cheating. Zeze, has to accept other people's experiences as well, on this one.
@@Casanova966 I agree! Which is why i think men shouldn't bringing up the entire animal kingdom when talking about cheating lol what a lion does has nothing to do with what you do in your committed relationship
@@not0bvious Men and women do not show commitment the same. Women show it through fidelity & emotional connection, we show it with time, leadership, effort, protection & resources. We are not the same, get that through your head. Men don't cheat, we have sex.
@pet grave Lol half of these men would be balling crying if their wives and girlfriends did the same things to them but want to bring up mammals, reptiles and gold fish. 🤣If they just said i'm very promiscuous and I want to sleep with others then that's that.
Just going by his body language and the way he kept on looking away when was telling certain stories, even I got the impression that he wasn't being 100% sincere. He may have stepped out once or twice but going by what I saw hear, I doubt he was a serial cheater
This guy isn't a great ambassador for cheaters lol He's unable to articulate narrative to a degree that positions clarity, understanding and most of all being concise. It was a painful listen especially around the trauma part.
Well he’s trying to explain the inexplicable. Human are not apes and have engaged in monogamy since the beginning of time. The urge to cheat is based on a lack of self control and the inability to make good decisions. Promiscuity is also more prevalent among those with a lower iq, hence his inability to explain himself.
The way Zeze dismissed the man for explaining his reasons behind his past behaviour was so damn ignorant! of course trauma can influence how a man behaves in a relationship, especially childhood trauma! Vulnerability and trust is required for honest and intimate relationships. There are a lot of broken people walking around that mask their fear of vulnerability by not attaching emotionally to somebody and keeping their options open.
@@Zezemillz1 But women do use trauma as an excuse to sleep around. Wether committed or not is neither here nor there because I’m pretty sure most aren’t relaying that information to all their sexual partners for fear of being labelled a ho3.
@@Zezemillz1 Why do you assume it's an excuse? Trauma is real and probably one of the biggest factors behind dysfunctional relationships, millions of men, women and children are walking around traumatised whether they know it or not, we've all got work to do, he was explaining to you that he recognised negative, toxic patterns and had the self awareness to work on himself and evolve and you tell him to fuck off like his own experience isn't valid? The way you shut him down straight away was pure ignorance. Then we wanna complain about men not opening up and showing vulnerability, which I'll say again, is integral to healthy, intimate and honest relationships. Your reaction to him is a massive part of the problem.
Trauma can be a reason. Some People who has been in trauma then start to hurt those around them as a coping mechanism. That hurt can be emotionally, physically etc.
This guy clearly hasn’t thought through his views so when challenged he begins to waffle and never clearly answers a question, this conversation should have just been with the guy in the green.
Unlike Zeze & Garvey, I completely I agree with Rich when he mentioned trauma and explained his point of view. Similarly, I’ve experienced this first hand with an ex, so I completely understand his perspective. The condescending aura and dismissiveness towards him was so unnecessary!
I think Rich is right, as women we use our past experiences for certain things, e.g if you ask single women who may be seen as “hoes” what their reasons are for their behaviour, there will be a traumatic experience that has got them there. I do think as women, we need to actually hear men more, would save us heartache.
I keep losing hope in women because its so easy just like zeze did here to laugh dismiss men’s trauma. But coming across this comment put abit of faith that there are women who actually listen.
@@YoungMrD29 She's a minority don't get your hopes up. No one really cares about anyone else's trauma fix your issues and live your best life no one is here to be anyone else's therapist.
Zeze mocked it lol but can we get an educated put together male representative next time please. that brudda was waffling and then tried to blame women! yes trauma, yes a girl mite of hurt you first but the truth is if a person can they will cheat!!!
As much as I love zeze we would deffo clash on this topic. I’m at a age where I’ve done a lot of healing and I was deffo affected by infedelity in my pre teens and it caused me trauma I would only later identify about a decade later through counselling. This is why men’s suicide rate going up. Like myself I’ve only found few ppl in my entire life that are open and understanding to listen and help men. We appear strong but remember we are human beings too
@pet grave didn’t say I was a cheater it’s always good to read someone’s statement. I’m not here for argument or negativity. Accept someone’s opinion don’t have to agree. I spoke about the trauma I have suffered trauma from women and I reacted in a different way than cheating. There is a reason for everything and nothing is coincidence
Sa ra is right. Women will know when their man is stepping out. We’re very observant mainly because we want to make sure we’re being good partners. So when behaviour is off in some areas of the relationship, there’s almost always something behind it.
Please bring Sa ra back again.i dont think we saw the best of him .he is very smart guy.this topic really didnt bring out what he is passionete about.👍👍👍
"Women have been sold the dream of monogamy" lol, i have to laugh. So who sold the dream of monogamy then? Men create the problems of the world and then blame it on women. Men pretend they support an open relationship until they realize that means their partner can pursue another relationship as well...
Society is made up of men and women, Disney movies that produce these lies are produced and created by men and women. Not sure what you're waffling at.
@@kwabenatmi6760 Quit acting naive. Most religious scriptures were written by men. Most laws that we still practice today were written SOLELY by men. The founding fathers of the United States is just one example. Most wars ever waged were started by men. Just because society is made up of both men and women does not mean the power dynamics between men and women are equal. Let's have a real conversation about how destructive men and their egos are before we start talking about nonsense like equality as if it exists.
@@not0bvious I'm not going to argue with somebody who blames all the faults and problems on the world on men i'm about collective and societal accountability on both sides. I don't care what that looks like to you, you can stay in the comments and moan.
@@kwabenatmi6760 What? You commented on my comment saying you don't know what i'm "waffling" about. I clarify my comment and now you don't want to hear it? Please stop talking lol. Im not a man hater i'm just stating facts. If you're about accountability then you can acknowledge the men in this video were chatting rubbish for an hour straight. We don't have to agree??? You're weird for even thinking this is an argument
The sa ra guy is a prime example of fake smart. Didn’t not appreciate how him and zeze shut that brother down. This is why Kevin Samuels say women don’t listen and women are surprised that men are running to him in droves
Bruddah im so glad you see the truth. So many people here just side with the sly hate and un willing to understand and have real conversations. They both have opinions fixed before having a conversation.
Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. 3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5 Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 1 Corinthians 7:1-5
This topic had so much potential but I felt like Richie detoured the conversation topic by talking about his experience and waffle quite a lot. It was all confusing it would've been better if it was jus Sa Ra
Everyone on here talk about honesty.. A man can't even be honest about his woman gaining weight, so you think having an open relationship discussion is going to level things out? People are so delusional and hypocritical that it's sickening.
The only self aware man I have seen in life is Castillo and I think that’s why we love him. He knows himself on a very deep level .. similar to a woman, he understands his emotions and why he doesn’t like things or does things.. he knows where things steamed from and he can explain them in so much detail that we have no option but to sympathise and be empathetic towards him. This ode you brought for the interview cannot express himself and he doesn’t know what he is trying to say keeps on saying “ no no it’s not that” then what is it man!?!?
@29:00 old dude in the hat is a mess. He claims that he cheats due to seeing red flags, based on early dating trauma, but then says that he reveals his cheating because he wants to get serious with them.. 🤔
The way the brothers trauma was dismissed and ridiculed was Amazing! smh. Guy’s before opening up to women or guys that think similar to women make sure its someone who will listen.
This would have been the perfect conversation to have with Castillo, as we all know he is very straightforward and honest about his past and he can articulate himself as well. I’m a big fan of seeing Sa Ra on here, but I don’t think this was the best topic for him and it was quite a comfortable conversation with Zeze and Sa Ra agreeing with most their points. I’d love to see an episode where they actually have disagreements and they have to fully back up their arguments. Good video and topic though- 2021 (The Year of Difficult Conversations)
Love this convo! Very educational! Ppl need to take notes 📝.. love zeze's realness and her willingness to understand men's ways even tho she did that "serial cheater" guy dirty to some extent lol.. as a guy I see his point but Garvey nailed it! 👌 the model needs to change because its not working. Well done guys, keep up the work!
Men will blame infidelity on everything & everyone but themselves. Not cheating is extremely simple, no one is forcing you to be monogamous but these men get a kick out of cheating on their spouses, it’s a thrill. The end.
A lot of time was wasted failing to understand what rich was saying. I get where he was coming from. It's his experience. I think humans are adaptable and there are many reasons for people cheating. Me personally, i was brought on that 'there is no excuse for cheating sh*t' by my dad from young, i grew and have never cheated in my life and girls love me so i have had a lot of opportunity. Kind of supports Rich's theory of experiences as we grow, influencing our ability to be faithful or not. I can see value in both sides of the argument. Nobody is right or wrong. I definitely know more man that cheat than don't.
Zeze - pleasure watching and hearing you do your thang. I would argue that women may not necessarily confess their indiscretions. And, why men cheat isn't that complicated and can be attributed to peer group pressure. Keep up the great work!
The trauma view is very valid. Anyone laughing or dismissing that perspective on it should understand that ALL OF US in some way are living our lives in certain ways due to trauma. We all do certain things because of trauma, we all act in a certain way because of trauma, whether that's from one experience of it or many, our subconscious rules our lives and we are shaped by the experiences we have = who we are/who we become. Being hurt from a young age in a relationship will most definitely impact the way we navigate future relationships and the way we treat other people. Until we seek therapy, the same pattern continues. We all do this and it's disrespectful to shut down Rich's openness of his experience and how he felt this resulted in him cheating. Very valid.
LOL you see how she moved from the topic when she said she don't care about those type of guys. And basically she endorse men cheating. I'm coming to this video late but I seen a clip of it and I wanted to see it in context women prefer their men having the ability to cheat because women find men attractive that attract other women simple as that and this is more of a western issue and culture is my belief. Also she knows what they were talking about when it's just sex women have the ability to love somebody and still cheat on them not as easy as a man but there's a lot of women that will pass a guy around in the neighborhood because he's good at pleasing them nothing else so we got to be realistic about it.
@@hardknocke9 the point is there is no logic. Cheating is illogical open relationships, polygamy, polyamory, open communication etc is logical. Everyone knows what’s going on that is logical. Try again.
@@Nathalee_ Lol communication is the only thing I’ll probably give you, the rest are options not logic. Again you haven’t learned anything, what’s logical to you may not be logical to me. Yes we could communicate but I may not get the result I want so its not logical to me.
@@hardknocke9 lol if we don’t want the same things we don’t need to continue with whatever. Don’t come and try lie, fool, trick and deceive people and then play like it means nothing. Lowe it. It’s an option to do what you want visa versa stop trying to make cheating ok because it is not that’s like saying liking children’s ok because it’s the persons nature and because it’s logical to them it should be understandable to whoever and accept it. Just get out of here. If it’s not logical then go and be by yourself because your clearly with someone who doesn’t have the understanding that you want so go find that and stop acting like it’s ok to lie and string people along because “sex is an act” rhetoric 🙄 go and learn about a woman’s logic because no one is trying to understand you you don’t even understand yourself.
It's the generalisations for me. It would be good if there was a debate which included all ends of the spectrum because let's face it, not ALL men cheat and not ONLY men cheat (they just get caught). My relationship is a perfect example, me a woman would like to be in an open relationship, whereas my partner, a man, only wants to be monogamous. If this conversation was taken out of the lens, that only men need to account for infidelity or being open to having more than one partner, it would be an interesting conversation. E.g. a conversation including a faithful man and woman, unfaithful/poly man and woman, and side man and woman
Ultimately I do not condone cheating and agree with Garvey that if you want a poly relationship, you should say and let the partner decide ei they're happy with that or not
I liked this show ZeZe although the solutions are not really there! I truly believe from a women’s point of view that we see men so masculine that they don’t feel but as much as you didn’t agree with the guy, you have to respect his experiences and what he went through and his reasons for turning to other women. I also felt like insecurities played a massive part his life experiences and so he was dealt several same cards. I go on vibes, women are out here wanting man so badly but they themselves are not feeling themselves and so they attract the same type of man and it doesn’t work. Well done 👍🏾 a massive supporter of yours xxx 😘
Imagine if anyone said to a woman telling you "I had trauma in my past and this is how I ended behaving the way I did" said "how long does your trauma last though?" Jesus Christ the dude isn't given 5 seconds to express himself without being jumped on, I get that he's harmed women before with cheating and that's fucked but you invited him to talk and you just shout over him as soon as he says a word.
@@thedreamer3454 no cap but think about it like this its also because your a product of your environment and your environment tells you your a dickhead if your gyal cheats... so the don always cheats first to look gangsta
@@yusufiper2535 nah thats some bull. Many reasons men cheat. One main reason Men cheat is because they have a hunger to attract women. The facts are u teach a lion to hunt all its life... Then when they are an adult u say... Nah stop hunting mate.... U would be like huh... This is in my nature. So having to mentally stop something that you HAVE to do to attract the other party all your life and now your being told stop instantly. Its like stopping drugs cold turkey. So mentally its hard for men to stop doing it because doing so is a sense of achievement and survival. Whereas women 1 can connect with the counterparts easier due to their being and will always be able to attract a male because they are the pickers.... They get what they choose we get what we are given. So thats one of the reasons ot so hard to stop.
There is many reasons why a man my step out.. Guy1- immature not in love,many options 🚶♂️ Guy2- in love every thing nice -but sex drive and affection...not matching 🚶♂️ Guy3-good vibe but feels partner is having a affair 🚶♂️ Guy4-is polygamous but finds it hard to explain that to he's partners and keep them. 💚🤫
I’m sorry but all I hear is a lack of accountability. IF we are going to use being a mammal and or biology to explain why men can’t be monogamous then by that logic we as women should in fact be the ones to have multiple partners not men due to the fact that we have a limited amount of eggs and need to select a mate that has the most desirable genetic traits that will guarantee the success of our offspring. Therefore men should be doing their best to illustrate why we should pick them!
I believe cheating is down to immaturity! Either not mature enough to ask for a polygamous relationship! Or not emotionally mature enough to knock the whole wall down... And completely give yourself to another!
my man has gone through therapy and they're still doubting he had trauma
Sad
This why men don’t talk. No point since women just shut you down. This why Kevin Samuels is taking over right now
He is the wrong the for the show. They should’ve got a different type of cheater. That man is a victim
No idea if it's an off day but he didn't seem all together in that episode. Felt bad for him
I like zeze millz but she needs to be a little more open minded to her guests..it’s a podcast lol
Zeze looks extra beautiful in this episode, her skin is glowing 😍✨
Think she's underrated....
Her hairdo is adding to that glow as well.
This hair really suits her. 😍
She’s a beautiful woman Inside and out in my opinion
She as cute as hell but I prefer her when she has short hair ❤☻
The issue comes when a man OR woman doesn’t show or say from the jump they can’t be monogamous or simply don’t want to. More time they lure you in with false security and then decide they want to cheat. People should just be honest from the get go.
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Exactly that!
Nothing more, nothing less! 🤷🏾♀️
Thank you.
Exactly 🙌🏾
Exactly True! However, the harsh reality is they want to have their cake and eat it too. They gunna lie regardless to get what they want!
Zee zee should have brought on a better serial Cheater man, he weren’t really making sense & being honest. He was doing a lot of beating around the bush
Hahaha not sure why “Better serial cheater” made me chuckle, but I completely agree with you here 😆
Could have asked Castillo! He is honest and articulate
@@icequeen620 facts!
shoulda brought offset 🤷🏽♀️
I understand everything he said he made perfect sense
Every villain has a backstory involving trauma. Every cheater and heartbreaker starts off as the heartbroken. Cheating becomes a defence mechanism against heartbreak by maintaining a feeling of power and emotional independence. It’s also a way of subconsciously exacting revenge on “women” who are now the perceived threat. Its like a warrior extending a hand of trust and peace whilst holding a sword behind his back with the other.
This boils down to trauma, immaturity selfishness, lack of self control and lack of respect for your partner. Cheating is a choice and if you know damn well you would hurt someone you supposedly care for or love and you would feel truly heartbroken should they do the same, you wouldn’t do it . Temptation is always going to be there and If it’s so hard to ignore them just be bloody single and date and sleep with who you please.
Being with one person is not natural! Man or woman! Open relationships are the best
If open relationships is your thing then cool. So long as the people who you’re involved with know this then no problem. It’s when open relationships are your thing and you lie or mislead the other person then that’s when it’s an issue. Everyone is entitled to the type of relationship they wish to be in.
@@yasminclarke8271 most people are in open relationships! But they are just not verbally open about it! A lot of women have side dudes! It’s not possible to be with one person, any woman who genuinely believes a man will be with them and only them is delusional and naive
@@thetgrenadegranada1570interesting, so why are so many men hurt when they find out the woman they are seeing has a side dude!!! Maybe you should say any man or women who believes that is naive. I won’t justify cheating, like I said if being with more than one person is your thing then be clear about that with the people you are seeing, but I guess your options would drop wouldn’t they.
Personally as a man if your going into a relationship and you know monogamy is not for you then as a man you need to own up to that and be straight up with the woman and let her know that she is not the only woman you will be sleeping with and that way it gives the woman a choice to think about if she will be ok with the man having other women involved in his life, no point sneaking around and lying to your woman, men need to just man up and own up to their polygamous nature and stop lying to women pretending to be monogamous.
Castillo should have been on here talking about cheating instead of Rich
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Richie points were clear on early experiences that make men cheat. Different reasons why men and women cheat.
Garvey's point on conversation and reasoning, is not the final resolution, as there is no justifiable reason to cheat, otherwise it wouldn't be called cheating.
Zeze, has to accept other people's experiences as well, on this one.
The man in the hat really knows how to complicate himself
Men love comparing humans to other animals but if we treat you like dogs you suddenly have a problem? can we not be obtuse and call a spade a spade?
We are animals, doesn't mean we should tolerate your bad attitudes.
@@Casanova966 I agree! Which is why i think men shouldn't bringing up the entire animal kingdom when talking about cheating lol what a lion does has nothing to do with what you do in your committed relationship
@@not0bvious Men and women do not show commitment the same. Women show it through fidelity & emotional connection, we show it with time, leadership, effort, protection & resources. We are not the same, get that through your head. Men don't cheat, we have sex.
@pet grave Lol half of these men would be balling crying if their wives and girlfriends did the same things to them but want to bring up mammals, reptiles and gold fish. 🤣If they just said i'm very promiscuous and I want to sleep with others then that's that.
We don't complain we just say you should call your fathers and brothers the same. That's all
We need to get Sa Ra on again.
The guy in the hat was talking in circles
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Trauma can also damage the way you interpret things too. This was tough.
the serial cheater is soooo defensive!
His first two examples of "cheating" were after he discovered his girlfriends had already cheated on him. He wasn't the cheater.
admiring zeze's beauty throughout the vid
Yeah it looks like she lost some weight too. That girl is fine 🥰
@@mayurikurotsuchi9170 Yh ur just lying now
Right!!! Stunna 😍👌🏿
Average at best
The guy in the hat is making absolutely no sense ?
Make this a series please. I still left this episode none the wiser
The cheater guy is mad confusing, my head hurts 🤣
The serial cheater has never cheated. He got his heart broken in year 10 and stayed bitter 😄
Facts!!
Just going by his body language and the way he kept on looking away when was telling certain stories, even I got the impression that he wasn't being 100% sincere. He may have stepped out once or twice but going by what I saw hear, I doubt he was a serial cheater
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All through this sit down, I know Garvey was thinking "whos mans is this?" looll
This guy isn't a great ambassador for cheaters lol He's unable to articulate narrative to a degree that positions clarity, understanding and most of all being concise. It was a painful listen especially around the trauma part.
Well he’s trying to explain the inexplicable. Human are not apes and have engaged in monogamy since the beginning of time. The urge to cheat is based on a lack of self control and the inability to make good decisions. Promiscuity is also more prevalent among those with a lower iq, hence his inability to explain himself.
The way Zeze dismissed the man for explaining his reasons behind his past behaviour was so damn ignorant! of course trauma can influence how a man behaves in a relationship, especially childhood trauma! Vulnerability and trust is required for honest and intimate relationships. There are a lot of broken people walking around that mask their fear of vulnerability by not attaching emotionally to somebody and keeping their options open.
Women experience trauma everyday. I can guarantee if we used that as an excuse for cheating it wouldn’t be valid.
@@Zezemillz1 But women do use trauma as an excuse to sleep around. Wether committed or not is neither here nor there because I’m pretty sure most aren’t relaying that information to all their sexual partners for fear of being labelled a ho3.
@@Zezemillz1 Why do you assume it's an excuse? Trauma is real and probably one of the biggest factors behind dysfunctional relationships, millions of men, women and children are walking around traumatised whether they know it or not, we've all got work to do, he was explaining to you that he recognised negative, toxic patterns and had the self awareness to work on himself and evolve and you tell him to fuck off like his own experience isn't valid? The way you shut him down straight away was pure ignorance. Then we wanna complain about men not opening up and showing vulnerability, which I'll say again, is integral to healthy, intimate and honest relationships. Your reaction to him is a massive part of the problem.
Trauma can be a reason. Some People who has been in trauma then start to hurt those around them as a coping mechanism. That hurt can be emotionally, physically etc.
This guy clearly hasn’t thought through his views so when challenged he begins to waffle and never clearly answers a question, this conversation should have just been with the guy in the green.
To be honest he's giving better explanation that the stats guy.
@@radarinfinite1032 Wat
That Rich guy was not honest 😂🤣
He was definitely rattled!!
Garvey was on point 💯
I think men do have a difficulty with moving on from 1 heartbreak.
Yeh cause most have a massive ego
Everyone does
At least you were listening to him. That was his whole point. That men are more fragile with heartbreak but its hidden for masculine purposes.
Unlike Zeze & Garvey, I completely I agree with Rich when he mentioned trauma and explained his point of view. Similarly, I’ve experienced this first hand with an ex, so I completely understand his perspective.
The condescending aura and dismissiveness towards him was so unnecessary!
When youve got two people siding in a conversation it makes it hard to articulate your poing
When you're asked direct questions and you don't answer directly, you are seen as weak..it's human nature
Cee not even weak, just confused and/or someone who refuses to say what they’re thinking for whatever reason.
@@NL-fg6it Matt Hancock for example
It was ignorant, rude and totally lacking in empathy.
I think Rich is right, as women we use our past experiences for certain things, e.g if you ask single women who may be seen as “hoes” what their reasons are for their behaviour, there will be a traumatic experience that has got them there. I do think as women, we need to actually hear men more, would save us heartache.
I keep losing hope in women because its so easy just like zeze did here to laugh dismiss men’s trauma. But coming across this comment put abit of faith that there are women who actually listen.
@@YoungMrD29 She's a minority don't get your hopes up. No one really cares about anyone else's trauma fix your issues and live your best life no one is here to be anyone else's therapist.
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i know she is just good to know there are still there. Came across more than 4 on this comment section.
ZEZE should get Derrick Jackson up up loool
That would do numbers lol
Zeze mocked it lol but can we get an educated put together male representative next time please. that brudda was waffling and then tried to blame women! yes trauma, yes a girl mite of hurt you first but the truth is if a person can they will cheat!!!
I could have cheated a million times but never have. Girls love me and I've always had opportunities but never have cheated.
Rate Zeze, but I think she should of listened👂🏾 more.
How long is she supposed to listen to a brudda that doesn’t know how to get to the point ?
As much as I love zeze we would deffo clash on this topic. I’m at a age where I’ve done a lot of healing and I was deffo affected by infedelity in my pre teens and it caused me trauma I would only later identify about a decade later through counselling. This is why men’s suicide rate going up. Like myself I’ve only found few ppl in my entire life that are open and understanding to listen and help men. We appear strong but remember we are human beings too
@pet grave didn’t say I was a cheater it’s always good to read someone’s statement. I’m not here for argument or negativity. Accept someone’s opinion don’t have to agree. I spoke about the trauma I have suffered trauma from women and I reacted in a different way than cheating. There is a reason for everything and nothing is coincidence
That cheater chatted a whole lot of nothing.
Coming from a man, I agree. He threw around the word trauma way too casually when referring to girls cheating on him. Smh. Victim complex.
He can only be understood by people with high intellectual capacity...
@@tiny-beatz2277 so you didn't get it
@@mariaade1100 I got it Zeze is the one who is not getting the guy
@@tiny-beatz2277 he was chatting rubbish. If you like rubbish good on you
Sa ra is right. Women will know when their man is stepping out. We’re very observant mainly because we want to make sure we’re being good partners. So when behaviour is off in some areas of the relationship, there’s almost always something behind it.
Please bring Sa ra back again.i dont think we saw the best of him .he is very smart guy.this topic really didnt bring out what he is passionete about.👍👍👍
Sick episode wish it was longer great topic 👊🏾❤️
Too many variables and not enough honesty. This topic won’t progress anytime soon. I agree that conversations need to be had
Sa Ra is a great guest, I remember him from the ESN forum days!
"Women have been sold the dream of monogamy" lol, i have to laugh. So who sold the dream of monogamy then? Men create the problems of the world and then blame it on women. Men pretend they support an open relationship until they realize that means their partner can pursue another relationship as well...
Society is made up of men and women, Disney movies that produce these lies are produced and created by men and women. Not sure what you're waffling at.
@@kwabenatmi6760 Quit acting naive. Most religious scriptures were written by men. Most laws that we still practice today were written SOLELY by men. The founding fathers of the United States is just one example. Most wars ever waged were started by men. Just because society is made up of both men and women does not mean the power dynamics between men and women are equal. Let's have a real conversation about how destructive men and their egos are before we start talking about nonsense like equality as if it exists.
@@not0bvious I'm not going to argue with somebody who blames all the faults and problems on the world on men i'm about collective and societal accountability on both sides. I don't care what that looks like to you, you can stay in the comments and moan.
@@kwabenatmi6760 What? You commented on my comment saying you don't know what i'm "waffling" about. I clarify my comment and now you don't want to hear it? Please stop talking lol. Im not a man hater i'm just stating facts. If you're about accountability then you can acknowledge the men in this video were chatting rubbish for an hour straight. We don't have to agree??? You're weird for even thinking this is an argument
@@not0bvious Have a nice day and keep it moving I don't want to engage in discussion with you respectfully.
The sa ra guy is a prime example of fake smart. Didn’t not appreciate how him and zeze shut that brother down. This is why Kevin Samuels say women don’t listen and women are surprised that men are running to him in droves
Bruddah im so glad you see the truth. So many people here just side with the sly hate and un willing to understand and have real conversations. They both have opinions fixed before having a conversation.
Sa ra is smart he just talkes about race too much but he is good.
sa ra is smart…
Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. 3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5 Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
1 Corinthians 7:1-5
This topic had so much potential but I felt like Richie detoured the conversation topic by talking about his experience and waffle quite a lot. It was all confusing it would've been better if it was jus Sa Ra
I agree
Why is Richie even there?....
Everyone on here talk about honesty.. A man can't even be honest about his woman gaining weight, so you think having an open relationship discussion is going to level things out? People are so delusional and hypocritical that it's sickening.
Appreciate ya big time Rich!! 👊🏾👊🏾
Idk if it’s cause I’m fried but I can not understand that guy in the hat he’s a top waffle 😂😂
Same 😂
He really just doing himself a disservice 😂😂😭
I don’t understand him either. 😂🤣
Must be your faded wig
It's the camera man for me😂
I know you were watching his tripod 👀💯
The only self aware man I have seen in life is Castillo and I think that’s why we love him. He knows himself on a very deep level .. similar to a woman, he understands his emotions and why he doesn’t like things or does things.. he knows where things steamed from and he can explain them in so much detail that we have no option but to sympathise and be empathetic towards him. This ode you brought for the interview cannot express himself and he doesn’t know what he is trying to say keeps on saying “ no no it’s not that” then what is it man!?!?
Sounds like he has done alot of self reflection aka self aware
every time my man in the hat speaks I automatically start rapidly blinking
😂🤣😂
not this 🤣
@29:00 old dude in the hat is a mess. He claims that he cheats due to seeing red flags, based on early dating trauma, but then says that he reveals his cheating because he wants to get serious with them.. 🤔
At the end of the day it is greed . just cos there are women here galore doesn't mean they are all for you. It is just greed
The way the brothers trauma was dismissed and ridiculed was Amazing! smh. Guy’s before opening up to women or guys that think similar to women make sure its someone who will listen.
Big up SaRa needs his own platform like this in his own right
I do have my own platform & my own show.
@@SaRaGarvey2012 😄👍🏽
Zeze smashing it as usual love her confidence x
I had to watch this episode with a couple magnum's still.
Black men always boozing
This would have been the perfect conversation to have with Castillo, as we all know he is very straightforward and honest about his past and he can articulate himself as well.
I’m a big fan of seeing Sa Ra on here, but I don’t think this was the best topic for him and it was quite a comfortable conversation with Zeze and Sa Ra agreeing with most their points. I’d love to see an episode where they actually have disagreements and they have to fully back up their arguments.
Good video and topic though- 2021 (The Year of Difficult Conversations)
what is the guy in the hat talking about. We need a do-over this could have been a great conversation
yeah i cant lie, they need an actual good looking, proven cheater, not a self proclaimed one.
I love these kinda conversations ✅
The guy with the hat was chatting bare jambazz
Omds I only know this word from oluwa blanco 😂😂😂😭
Wow..! ..Zeze is on point with this interview..!
Love this convo! Very educational! Ppl need to take notes 📝.. love zeze's realness and her willingness to understand men's ways even tho she did that "serial cheater" guy dirty to some extent lol.. as a guy I see his point but Garvey nailed it! 👌 the model needs to change because its not working. Well done guys, keep up the work!
Men will blame infidelity on everything & everyone but themselves. Not cheating is extremely simple, no one is forcing you to be monogamous but these men get a kick out of cheating on their spouses, it’s a thrill. The end.
That guy is confusing himself. He just speaking for the sake of making a sound.
The beanie guy is confused
A lot of time was wasted failing to understand what rich was saying.
I get where he was coming from. It's his experience.
I think humans are adaptable and there are many reasons for people cheating.
Me personally, i was brought on that 'there is no excuse for cheating sh*t' by my dad from young, i grew and have never cheated in my life and girls love me so i have had a lot of opportunity.
Kind of supports Rich's theory of experiences as we grow, influencing our ability to be faithful or not.
I can see value in both sides of the argument. Nobody is right or wrong.
I definitely know more man that cheat than don't.
Lmaoo when Zee called him out on his bullshit 👏🏾
Very good interview!
Direct
Pragmatic
Sensible points from all parties!
32:07 That’s my dawg (In my Smokey from Friday voice) 😂
The most developed societies have practiced monogamy. It leads to the most harmonious, stable, prosperous societies.
It’s all about honesty… allowing everyone to make a decision and role with it.
Zeze - pleasure watching and hearing you do your thang. I would argue that women may not necessarily confess their indiscretions. And, why men cheat isn't that complicated and can be attributed to peer group pressure. Keep up the great work!
Zeze your glowing, you look so beautiful
Listening us underrated. When someone talks, let them finish and process it and then ask the questions.
The trauma view is very valid. Anyone laughing or dismissing that perspective on it should understand that ALL OF US in some way are living our lives in certain ways due to trauma. We all do certain things because of trauma, we all act in a certain way because of trauma, whether that's from one experience of it or many, our subconscious rules our lives and we are shaped by the experiences we have = who we are/who we become. Being hurt from a young age in a relationship will most definitely impact the way we navigate future relationships and the way we treat other people. Until we seek therapy, the same pattern continues. We all do this and it's disrespectful to shut down Rich's openness of his experience and how he felt this resulted in him cheating. Very valid.
LOL you see how she moved from the topic when she said she don't care about those type of guys. And basically she endorse men cheating. I'm coming to this video late but I seen a clip of it and I wanted to see it in context women prefer their men having the ability to cheat because women find men attractive that attract other women simple as that and this is more of a western issue and culture is my belief. Also she knows what they were talking about when it's just sex women have the ability to love somebody and still cheat on them not as easy as a man but there's a lot of women that will pass a guy around in the neighborhood because he's good at pleasing them nothing else so we got to be realistic about it.
Some man ain’t getting no Sunday dinner 🥘 today
😂👍🏾
Most black men can actually cook
@@thetgrenadegranada1570 I’m one of them.... but wifeys food is always a little bit sweeter
Nice to see KS talking points in the UK
Zeze love and sex are two completely different things
But sex is a result of love.
IE
When you don’t love yourself you give it away to anyone you think likes a piece of you.
@@Nathalee_ May be to a woman’s logic lol you still haven’t learned anything about a man’s logic.
@@hardknocke9 the point is there is no logic. Cheating is illogical open relationships, polygamy, polyamory, open communication etc is logical. Everyone knows what’s going on that is logical. Try again.
@@Nathalee_ Lol communication is the only thing I’ll probably give you, the rest are options not logic. Again you haven’t learned anything, what’s logical to you may not be logical to me. Yes we could communicate but I may not get the result I want so its not logical to me.
@@hardknocke9 lol if we don’t want the same things we don’t need to continue with whatever. Don’t come and try lie, fool, trick and deceive people and then play like it means nothing. Lowe it. It’s an option to do what you want visa versa stop trying to make cheating ok because it is not that’s like saying liking children’s ok because it’s the persons nature and because it’s logical to them it should be understandable to whoever and accept it. Just get out of here.
If it’s not logical then go and be by yourself because your clearly with someone who doesn’t have the understanding that you want so go find that and stop acting like it’s ok to lie and string people along because “sex is an act” rhetoric 🙄 go and learn about a woman’s logic because no one is trying to understand you you don’t even understand yourself.
It's the generalisations for me. It would be good if there was a debate which included all ends of the spectrum because let's face it, not ALL men cheat and not ONLY men cheat (they just get caught). My relationship is a perfect example, me a woman would like to be in an open relationship, whereas my partner, a man, only wants to be monogamous. If this conversation was taken out of the lens, that only men need to account for infidelity or being open to having more than one partner, it would be an interesting conversation. E.g. a conversation including a faithful man and woman, unfaithful/poly man and woman, and side man and woman
Ultimately I do not condone cheating and agree with Garvey that if you want a poly relationship, you should say and let the partner decide ei they're happy with that or not
Never thought I'd see T-Pain on this show..
🔥🔥get girls on who have cheated!🔥🔥
LOVEEEE THE HAIR!
Sa ra needs to be on here more for the men’s prespective of many subjects
LOL no he doesn’t, he only speaks for a particular type NOT ALL
Zeze can you tell us what watch you're wearing. It looks amazing.
I liked this show ZeZe although the solutions are not really there! I truly believe from a women’s point of view that we see men so masculine that they don’t feel but as much as you didn’t agree with the guy, you have to respect his experiences and what he went through and his reasons for turning to other women. I also felt like insecurities played a massive part his life experiences and so he was dealt several same cards. I go on vibes, women are out here wanting man so badly but they themselves are not feeling themselves and so they attract the same type of man and it doesn’t work. Well done 👍🏾 a massive supporter of yours xxx 😘
Part 2 please
Part 2? Part 1 was bad enough
@@natemclarke I only attract married men for some reason. Think I'm gonna be more open and give it a shot
@@shanadams8870 your trash 🗑
@@Joshua-re3xw why because I want two husbands?
Imagine if anyone said to a woman telling you "I had trauma in my past and this is how I ended behaving the way I did" said "how long does your trauma last though?" Jesus Christ the dude isn't given 5 seconds to express himself without being jumped on, I get that he's harmed women before with cheating and that's fucked but you invited him to talk and you just shout over him as soon as he says a word.
zee and garvey cappinn rich talking facts
He was hurt so he cheated 😂😂😂
@@thedreamer3454 no cap but think about it like this its also because your a product of your environment and your environment tells you your a dickhead if your gyal cheats... so the don always cheats first to look gangsta
@@yusufiper2535 nah thats some bull. Many reasons men cheat. One main reason Men cheat is because they have a hunger to attract women. The facts are u teach a lion to hunt all its life... Then when they are an adult u say... Nah stop hunting mate.... U would be like huh... This is in my nature. So having to mentally stop something that you HAVE to do to attract the other party all your life and now your being told stop instantly. Its like stopping drugs cold turkey. So mentally its hard for men to stop doing it because doing so is a sense of achievement and survival. Whereas women 1 can connect with the counterparts easier due to their being and will always be able to attract a male because they are the pickers.... They get what they choose we get what we are given. So thats one of the reasons ot so hard to stop.
@@thedreamer3454 exactly my point product of their environment
@@yusufiper2535 but the 1st thing you said was rubbish. Lets not act like that made any sense lol.
A lot more understanding and reasoning needs to happen before commitment, definitely
There is many reasons why a man my step out..
Guy1- immature not in love,many options 🚶♂️
Guy2- in love every thing nice -but sex drive and affection...not matching 🚶♂️
Guy3-good vibe but feels partner is having a affair 🚶♂️
Guy4-is polygamous but finds it hard to explain that to he's partners and keep them.
💚🤫
This was actually funny to watch. The end made me laugh
Zezes a peng one. Natural black queen 👑
31:49 why is the cameraman throwing up signs like Shipudden 😂
I’m sorry but all I hear is a lack of accountability. IF we are going to use being a mammal and or biology to explain why men can’t be monogamous then by that logic we as women should in fact be the ones to have multiple partners not men due to the fact that we have a limited amount of eggs and need to select a mate that has the most desirable genetic traits that will guarantee the success of our offspring. Therefore men should be doing their best to illustrate why we should pick them!
The guy in the hat didn’t need to be there he’s just there taking up space
Facts
basically
I believe cheating is down to immaturity!
Either not mature enough to ask for a polygamous relationship! Or not emotionally mature enough to knock the whole wall down... And completely give yourself to another!
Ask for a polygamous relationship?, she'll leave you.
@@alphabogeyman7462 well then she is not for you
Zeze’s skin and hair looking extra peng in this episode
Zeze spoke faaaaaaaaacts everything ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
the guy in the hat just sounds like an extreme narcissist , the discussion should’ve just been between Zeze & SaRa
No your just not getting it kmt
45:27 the moment it finally sank in wid the video man that woolly hat dude was talking the most shit 😂😂🤦🏿♂️
Smashed it bare jokes 💯💞
she is gorgeous! 🧚🏽♀️🦋✨