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South of the farming guild, there are a TON of Dragon Warhammer bots in the crypts. Every world, they tend to go to the northeast corner out of sight. But if you are on northeast they have to pass you first, you'll be amazed how many there are..
please stop taking the manscaped sponsorship, encouraging companies that spend more on marketing than on making long lasting products is bad for everyone
I'd say it's maybe been a little bit more then a couple years that bots have been talking bein an altar host that's where i first noticing it happening even in Colonello video the bot goin off on abour red pill movies then i had to check it out for myself was enjoyable to watch hopefully i find a bunch of bots one day and make them all talk to ea other seems like it'd be an interesting conversation and entertaining.
Funny you mentioned the player base getting CS degrees. Ive played since 03 on and off and was running python scripts on my main during college. They caught me last year as it was just more or less very advanced AHK scripts. Haven't run them since I got a temp ban. Half the fun was getting scripts to work.
Good, now just code the pking bot to say "Sit" everytime it kills somebody and "L0L0L0L)L" everytime it specs fail and you've got your average runescape player psychology mapped out.
Petition to start a bot farm that exclusively explores the map with poor 'pathfinding' hooked up to the literal Oblivion dialogue set to go off at random intervals. Imagine going into the more obscure parts of OSRS to find a level 3 wandering around rambling on about lore from a different universe lmao. Take it a step further and give the account creation a random Elder Scrolls name generator and you're set.
I once had an experience with what I can only assume is a bot, I was doing tob in world 416 and I made a slight error and my team didn't immediately say "???????????????????????????????????????????????????????" so I can only assume that they weren't human.
I was fishing in Catherby and saw a guy in full graceful with a rcb equipped running back and forth between a few tiles. I said "nice broken bot script." and he said "yeah because bots have full graceful lol" I would have thought that he wasn't a bot from that, if not for the fact that he continued running between those tiles for the next hour while I fished. I'm guessing it was a broken water orb bot based on the equipment and location.
If you have run bots that respond to players in game, or find any suspected bots talking to players in game, I'd love to hear about it (reach out on twitter or email sirpuggertipoff@gmail.com. BotScape series will be returning soon!
it would be AI that makes videos for youtube about bots. TH-cam is the biggest business in the world. and this guy literally made a carrer out of bots. it si actually good from him that bots exist
I keep hearing about the "dead internet theory" and always shrugged it off as nonsense, but then when I start seeing videos like these... I wonder how many 'people' I've spoken with on RS that aren't actually human. Probably a very small number; as you said, this technology is still brand new, but it won't be forever. It's still rather obvious whether you're talking with a real human being or a machine, but there will come a time where you will simply stop noticing the difference between the two. Definitely one of the more creepier thinks of the modern age...
Quit being racist against machines haha >.< When a family has 16 kids no one accuses them of botting to help run the farm. But do the exact same thing with AI and suddenly everyone is up in arms about it.
The year is 2029, OSRS and many other MMORPG's are sadly no longer popular with their communities, due to mismanagement and strong competition. In response to declining player amounts, Jagax worked with general AI engineers to provide players as content for their remaining player base. The tech being 3 years old at this point, it had become very cheap, and a low player base was their main issue in onboarding new players. After using data harvested from thousands of combined hours of players play time, they were able to rebuild the economy, PVP, minigames, and other player affected features well enough that the human player count began to climb back into to the hundreds and eventually thousands. There were side effects of course, not noticeable to the average player though. Sometimes they would remove bots when their were too many or acting outside their vision for the game, and some players would have dozen of active friends disappear overnight from their friends list, certain clans would lose massive amounts of members, and items on the GE would be volatile following deletions as sometimes listing being deleted would raise price, or bots who consumed those items disappearing would lower prices. Eventually, many players suspected the player count was mostly bots. However, this was due to many AI players botting; and by banning these players Jagax ultimately increased AI and human confidence in their AI assisted moderation team.
Well I'm not to involved with Twitter stuff but apparently with Elon buying it there's been a ton of people losing supposed bot followers by the thousands and it's just entertaining
Manscaped's electronics have a 3 month warranty. They also have a subscriptions that sends blades for said electronics every 3 months. Makes you think.
I remember finding a bot in the Wildy and it talking to me and then a few weeks later a video surfaced about them. They were the ones when you attack they would say “stop” or “wait” and then say “nice gear” or “nice acc” and then “good luck” and log. Super sketch
I don't create or condone bots but it's very easy to code bots. The problem with programming is that plagiarism is key-that is to say, once the starter code is written, creating new bot scripts becomes easy. When I say plagiarism, I'm referring to code being copy-pasta because there's a limit to the number of ways you can code one thing. This means once a decent amount of bot-code for Runescape was completed, it's all about copy-pasting that code in different ways to make it do "similar activities". For example, turning a cooking bot into a smithing bot just requires the bot to recognize the difference between fire/range and an anvil. In this example, banking is done the same with switching raw food for bars. This means the code for a cooking bot can be used for a smithing bot with a change in the recognition of the required inventory, and the banking portion is the same as it just switches "important icons" from cooking to smithing. I'll say it again, programing is about plagiarism/copy-pasta and it didn't require the community to become programmers. It only required them to have a basic understanding of which line of codes does what and rearrange available codes to work how they want it to. A programmer would have an easier time by far but there's no way they would build it from the ground up when there's clearly open source scripts available to copy-pasta and save lots of time. To compare how a regular person would rewrite a script, all your have to do is look at the human body: 1. How do you walk forward? You lift one leg and let your body fall forward before letting that foot reach the ground and follow up with your other leg. 2. How do you walk backwards? You invert the "code" (method) of walking forward. It's an inversion of the copy-pasta! 3. etc. What's hilarious is that it's much easier to implement moving a character that's already automated by the game's character movement as you skip a lot of the human body steps as you only need to click once to automatically move a long distance in osrs. Of course, the hard part would be coding things to work the way you want from the ground up-how do you recognize an object?, How do you interact with object N (, N+1, N+2, etc.)?, How long do you have to wait before you can start your next action (time or recognition of inventory)?, and so on. Once all these starting factors are coded once, it can be copied into each and every script so you don't have to code it again, and if someone gets a hold of that script, they can copy it as well. There were new objects with the new minigame but once they're added to the database of actions, it's all about playing the game a couple times to understand "what you need the bot to watch out for and do" and then arranging the available code to work (and troubleshooting when it doesn't).
Having bots hold conversations (responding to questions) in Runescape is a pretty difficult problem. You can't have them read the chat log or even respond to overhead text in populated areas or they'd be typing 2-3 sentences every 10 seconds responding to every person that's talking. And if you're running a bot farm at a single location each bot is going to have a similar enough answer to raise suspicion, even if they don't all answer at the same time.
Wouldn't the solution there be code to have certain players take priority and then ignore inputs from other players until that prioritized player is detected to have left then set a random cool down period before responding to someone else and obviously the bots try to avoid picking the same player via different code to keep track of "ally" bots
@@legojay14 I guess that could work in a crowd, but how about a situation with 2-3 other players all talking together? The bot will talk to one and ignore the other two, while all humans will be talking together adding to the conversation. And the part about not talking to the same players, now you're talking about code running a network of bots instead of each bot running its own code. I saw some that looked like that before on one of Pugger's LMS bot vids and that was impressive, but not at all easy to make or manage. Your idea might even be even more complicated than what that code does. I don't code bots, my experience is more with the academic side of machine learning, so I don't know when things stop being profitable, but this is a lot of work to test and bugfix in order to have a bot not do what a bot does.
@@Stormskip you'd probably have the bot to store names in a temp file then take the input from each person and respond to be able to keep track of who's saying what, the issue with this would be the ai might be under stress replying to lots of people at once or trying to and the reply rate would be immense if 100 people triggered the bot with a key word or sentence for example "hello" or "how are you" you would more than likely crash the server , id assume this bot is triggered with key sentences or words probably both and has a max radius it can see / respond to a player , if I ever found one of these bots I would probably try see if it takes input args , maybe ask the Devs if they have special keywords or they're just using a API to respond rather than them having to manually code different responses ,hence only talking about reading and writing ??
You could just make sure it only responds if the person is mentioned or if someone else has already said that response then not to say anything at all or even just have the one bot say it , all of them don't have to say anything there are logical ways around this
@@JDM-Chaser Unless you're wanting the bot to talk with someone over multiple sessions, names are short enough to just store in memory you don't need to make a file. And having a bot track a whole conversation is ambitious to say the least. Even the sophisticated bot in this video couldn't remember that Puggers said he already ate a frog. The neural nets that are built to mimic conversation have a difficult time tracking information over long sentences, let alone multiple sentences. Computers just don't learn the same way we do, we can't easily teach them key words. I agree the bot in the vid is likely triggered by sentences like 'hello', but it probably only has a few sentences it responds with and selects which sentence based on keywords. Basically I'm thinking it's just a long switch statement that selects based on what a number of string searches find. Or, based on the response to woodcutting level, it picks a sentence based on RNG if it isn't responding to 'hello'. Lol.
Bot makers need to program their talking bots to speak in some uncommon language. Like Swahili, or Vietnamese. That way, it won't matter that the bot is saying nonsense; because 99% of people seeing it talk will already think an uncommon foreign language is nonsense.
and then they automatically switch to the idea of them being gold farmers since hur dur speak another language must be gold farmer. not all people but a lot think like this
@@PaulRudd1941 French is the second most commonly spoken language in the world after English. It'd be a terrible one to pick if they're trying to escape notice by running the odds that no one will understand them.
RuneScape has seriously pioneered the scripting of anything to another level. Like without RuneScape I feel like we would be decades behind on macro technology because not many things require this much effort. People pushing the limits of technology is actually amazing, it’s also really sad at the same time. But still, I think even you Mr.P through all of these videos and research you’ve done have found a keen interest in this script technology. Imagine having a bar tender robot at a bar that could have a conversation with you and get your drinks on time. This stuff is actually the future of our reality, and it baffles me it came from a game my childhood stems from and how I learned to actually converse as a child and learning to type. Just wow
Adversity is the father of invention and grandfather of evolution. If Jagex literally did nothing, few would bother making anything more advanced then a color bot that clicks anything that looks vaguely flax colored.
Yes and no. While it is something that's "uncanny" in the sense of you interacting with a lifeless machine, the same can be said of simply your own smartphone assistant. All they're doing is plugging in an additional layer of programming, which in this case is using OCR (taking text from the screen). Then just relaying back (what we could call 'answering' us lol) the response from whatever source it's sending the chat/dialogue. Similar to how you may have a different "conversation" with Siri or Alexa, in that you may say the same thing but both give a different response as/in their own "way".
Youre so wrong about it, "scripts" as you know that were generaly named "Cheats(they still are)" but ppl started really using it when it came to games that had real money tied to it, and those were early mmo's they didnt got any real progress since it was very easy to do, remember anti cheat was very bad, then came Steam with their games and cheats took off there, took whole 6 month after wow was released to have bots in it, this was a game changer and bot became very good but again stood still for a loong time untill egoshooter were the new stuff and ppl began to cheat since it was a "i am better than you place" even the code writer had to semi- compete since better cheats= more buyers, egoshooter right now are so advanced that AI learning is a huge part of it, making them almost undetectable (still in the early phases) waht i saw was impressive and if this will make its way to runescape as standart (isnt right now, ive recently got the knowhow how to do it). then either jagex will have a real anticheat team or the game will have a bad time.
He just said he ate a frog. Then the bot says Its good for you, you should try it sometime. Nope. Not a super-advanced artificial intelligence robot LOL 🤣😂
several years ago I made a 10 hp 1 def account, it had 99 magic, 90 str, 90 range, and 70 attack with a few skilling 99's and overall base level of 30 asides from hp/def. I ended up selling it for just over $300 when I left the game. (this was an autoclicked account with over 100m xp auto clicked and no bans)
Bots were doing this first on RuneScape Classic. I remember seeing auto chat responses back in 2004 or so.. if you said hi they would just say hello I’m busy or semi afk or some shit
tbh, i feel like it's fairly easy to tell bots by their incredibly accurate use of punctuation. maybe i'm crazy, but the players that i've talked to in RS usually never use "i'm" they just say "im" and there are lots more misspellings.
I also never use capitalization (besides for a lone "I"), in addition to not using apostrophes in contractions when chatting in-game. I think its more like if they always use apostrophes + they always use periods at the end of every message - including single sentence ones.
i think the easiest way to pick them out is their use of punctuation and capitalisation; they’re always super on point That and how promptly they respond
Honestly kind of wild seeing this bot work. Moves the mouse off the screen and doesn't do work for a random amount of time AND types back to others. Crazy.
I do not care if anyone believes me but I know what that botting community is, I am a member. It is very technicaly and the scripts are all personally made for the individual. I am willing to show proof to pugger for a vid.
Part of what's made the bot creation so common/flourishing is the openness with which code & databases are shared. Especially if it's related to AI. Just the same applies to the process of catching bots as well. It's just funny though because it's a virtual obstacle course in where one AI is looking to overcome the exercises (defenses) & once it accomplishes that, it's now the other (jagex/ban hammers) looking for another way to thwart it.
For every slayer bot you find that should allow you to get another task considering they are rare otherwise you'll struggle to train the skill it seems
The conversation you had with the chat bot reminds me of that one time I decided to run through Edgeville after entering town from the wilderness side screaming about the Borg coming, and that people should run. So pretty much being randomly bizarre.
I was convinced several years ago when I stopped playing that there’s more bots/gold farmers than there are real people playing, and I’ve only been more convinced of that as I see videos like this
I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the people who write RuneScape scripts do it as practice for their own skills, but it’s also probably fun for them because they combine a hobby and their work. If I was learning computer science, to get some extra experience I would totally try to write increasing harder and better scripts
Sometimes I lay in bed with a wireless mouse and play from across the room, where I wouldn't be able to read the chat and wouldn't have my keyboard to respond. Does that mean I'm going to get banned? I just wonder how many times innocent people are banned.
Years ago I asked that Cleverbot if he plays Runescape he replied, "I play Old School Runescape the only good version of Runescape" I was creased and as an RS3 player as if he did me like that. Wish I got a screenshot, I tried asking him it since but he says other stuff now. Update: I asked him again just there, he says he doesn't play Runescape but he plays Minecraft, LMFAO
i have a few screenshots from 2013 of 3 different accounts randomly saying jokes while at training at rock crabs, I thought it was sus at the time so i'm not surprised i'm seeing this now hahaha
THey almost need to make RS into a game where you control your own bots. Like Lordship. Give the POH and update to house bots, like the butler, then allow them to run around the map. Collect items, kill things, compete with the third party bots. Just an idea. Between the POH and Miscelania, you can have your own bots.
On the one hand...that is one scary botting development if bots can use AI software now to chat. I'm kinda impressed honestly. On the other hand I'm annoyed, though, since I'm bad with social skills (often when I leave a comment or chat with others I end up looking like an utter noob) so I often just give updates on how my Classical Languages studies are going. I really hope I don't end up getting attacked by players asking 'you botting bro???' 24/7 :(
@@Friedrich2DerGrosse Not that great due to mental health and hygiene issues... but I'm working on a translation as a personal project and it's going well. I hope you're doing well yourself. Love the name.
@@marraine7299 I can relate to that hard bro/sis. I've been dealing with depression, anxiety, low self esteem, you know the whole package, for many years. And then the pandemic hitted me getting out highschool so the insolation, not knowing what to do with my life and losing contact with most of my friends made my mental state really bad. This last two years i began the "climbing back" tho and i'm way better as a person. Bit of a rant, just to say that with up's and low's we need to keep grinding. Mind if i ask you what's the translation about? And thanks i've become a bit of a history nerd this two years of pandemic.
@@Friedrich2DerGrosse I feel that. I'd already been dealing with depression and untreated PTSD...then my mom went psycho during the pandemic and things skyrocketed. I'll have to move back in sadly due to a number of issues but I should be fine. I'm glad to hear you're doing better yourself. I hope the upward trend continues! I'm trying to translate the Iliad from Ancient Greek into English with some slang, swears, pop culture references, etc (I have the work on Google Drive, so I share it with whoever wants to see it and give feedback). I probably won't finish it since I move next month and once I move, my mom won't let me 'waste my time on it' anymore (which saddens me since I really wanted to sell it)... but I'm continuing anyway as proof to myself that the depression ain't killed me I guess. And yeah, my favorite thing to translate is Greek and Roman historical texts. History nerds of the world, unite! :)
@@marraine7299 That's a shame. Try to use the time while you're back to improve and regroup and maybe eventually move out again, i know that's easier said than done but cutting toxicity/bad environments do wonders for our mental health. Perhaps you could continue to work mobile? Google Drive it's available on phones and you could use it to "sneak" some work in. Any hobbie that brings us joy isn't a waste of time, what you do it's better than, for example, watching TV since you're crafting something with passion, patience and dedication and that's something not everybody has or can do! You also mentioned "selling it" so there's even the possibility of financial gain and maybe kickstart a future carrer as a writer! Btw, when you translate you do it from "old english" to modern one or you do it directly from Greek or Latin?
I've written custom bots within 20 minutes after updates, honestly they're pretty simple to get going and if you've got a template (previous update version bot) then it can take even less time to get one up and going, it's the testing that takes more time than anything really
my buddy made a script in 2007-2008 that would respond with 100s of code words. was super advanced for the time… well he ended up getting a job offer from facebook for 6 digits are year lol
I am seeing a lot of bots at Lumbrage bank using the spinning wheel on the second level and running back to the upper bank. I’ve seen them in multiple worlds usually about 2 to 3 at a time I have reported them. You can buy flax for very cheap and both strings are currently around 200 GP
Bot tip : At sand crabs south of Port Piscarilius, there are multiple naked bots on EVERY world training magic. I don't know what they're up to, but they're all cb 25-46 with bot like names. It's crazy how many there are.
What you can do is "Are you a bot?" And if they respond, I say it again, If they respond diferently, I say "are trees the ro bots?" And if they respond "Im not a bot" I report them
Some of these bots seem like a great improvement to RuneScape.. populate random empty mini game worlds & locations with bots? Sure, free way to play dead content
You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down and see a tortoise. It's crawling toward you. You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that?
I'm the final boss of the turing test because I always get these AI's to very distinguishably not know what to reply with. It's all about logic attacking. I literally start every convo with 'what's poppin' and half of them don't know what I'm doing.
I remember bots at zammy wine spawn years ago would respond to you but it would be really cryptic nonsense and obviously not even an attempt at conversation. Wonder if anyone remembers them lol
I'm genuinely so scared people will report my lvl 3 skilled. It's got a few 80s and 79s but mostly 50s and I randomly talk to people but almost no one responds
I don't like botters but the idea of coding a bot seems so cool, and I wish I had more free time to learn to code a bot myself. I love runescape too much and so I wouldn't want to make anything disruptive, but there's so many things I'd love to see if I could code, just as a proof of concept. So cool. Love these vids.
It's interesting to see this from the botters perspective. I code for a living and I figured these guys must be doing things like random sleeps to appear more human to Jagex. Interesting video!
One thing i always thought of if you want to create a working bit that dosent get banned just get it to respond to messages But į didnt think its acctualy possible
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South of the farming guild, there are a TON of Dragon Warhammer bots in the crypts. Every world, they tend to go to the northeast corner out of sight. But if you are on northeast they have to pass you first, you'll be amazed how many there are..
please stop taking the manscaped sponsorship, encouraging companies that spend more on marketing than on making long lasting products is bad for everyone
I'd say it's maybe been a little bit more then a couple years that bots have been talking bein an altar host that's where i first noticing it happening even in
Colonello video the bot goin off on abour red pill movies then i had to check it out for myself was enjoyable to watch hopefully i find a bunch of bots one day and make them all talk to ea other seems like it'd be an interesting conversation and entertaining.
Funny you mentioned the player base getting CS degrees. Ive played since 03 on and off and was running python scripts on my main during college. They caught me last year as it was just more or less very advanced AHK scripts. Haven't run them since I got a temp ban. Half the fun was getting scripts to work.
"Whats your woodcutting level?"
"I'm a civil war reenactment participant."
dammit these bots are getting better all the time, they could be anyone
“Jesus Christ, it’s Jesus Christ”
Waiting for the episode where he finds out hes the only human and we are all bots
@@xZpsychox you* are a bot and I’m the AI and puggie is the professor gero
Even my runescape gf could be a bot smh!
They could be you. They could be me. The could even be-- *Reported*
Good, now just code the pking bot to say "Sit" everytime it kills somebody and "L0L0L0L)L" everytime it specs fail and you've got your average runescape player psychology mapped out.
Or set it up to do that everytime it kills a monsters
@@adammelson1945 I wouldn’t even report that bot. I’d be laughing so hard 😂
Huaj huaj huaj OOH WOW!!!
Whenever they get pked, have them say "lag"
You deserve more likes
I was so disappointed that AI chat bot bit didn’t turn into an Audible ad.
The bots speak like oblivion NPCs lmao. Just play some oblivion music in the background and the video is perfect.
Have you heard of the High Elves?
Petition to start a bot farm that exclusively explores the map with poor 'pathfinding' hooked up to the literal Oblivion dialogue set to go off at random intervals. Imagine going into the more obscure parts of OSRS to find a level 3 wandering around rambling on about lore from a different universe lmao. Take it a step further and give the account creation a random Elder Scrolls name generator and you're set.
even if its a bot im glad im not the only one reading webnovels while afking
Okay botter
Sounds like botter talk to me
I once had an experience with what I can only assume is a bot, I was doing tob in world 416 and I made a slight error and my team didn't immediately say "???????????????????????????????????????????????????????" so I can only assume that they weren't human.
I was fishing in Catherby and saw a guy in full graceful with a rcb equipped running back and forth between a few tiles. I said "nice broken bot script." and he said "yeah because bots have full graceful lol"
I would have thought that he wasn't a bot from that, if not for the fact that he continued running between those tiles for the next hour while I fished.
I'm guessing it was a broken water orb bot based on the equipment and location.
The script has been fixed now, it shouldn't happen again. 😀
@@boxcutter2207 oi m8, u got a permit for that box cutter there m8?
@@von... No sir-ey! I certainly don't!
those cooking bots are all level 125 cooking with over 170m xp now :o
okay that ending caught me offguard
So off guard it was testicular Cancerous
@@rashadjames6769 And just over 10 minutes. A Friend style
If you have run bots that respond to players in game, or find any suspected bots talking to players in game, I'd love to hear about it (reach out on twitter or email sirpuggertipoff@gmail.com. BotScape series will be returning soon!
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Absolute gimp.
Ur randell out of that recess progrzmme from back in the day
Sir randell !
Are we just going to ignore the fact that a chat bot told him he is living in a simulation? MATRIX HERE WE COME!
And she told him too get out of here, here being E A R F T H
khaaa
@@jussinurkkala6154 Se o meirä
Only the ones that are deceived by propaganda are in the matrix.
Omg omg they can have an intelligent conversation now! What do we do?!
Can't wait to ask if bots can have testicular cancer!
😂😂😂😂😂😂 😂😂😂😂😂
I think that the first AI humanity create would be a runscape bot.
it would be AI that makes videos for youtube about bots. TH-cam is the biggest business in the world. and this guy literally made a carrer out of bots. it si actually good from him that bots exist
@@GamingDualities so basically you’re saying if the boys didn’t exist he wouldn’t have a job
@@rashadjames6769 mybe. mybe not, just pointing out a contradiction. there is a possibility is all what I am saying.
@@GamingDualities oh yeah a big contradiction I see you’re point there really is one
@@rashadjames6769 on top of that he is using charity and cancer awernes to make money. hard to trust TH-camrs these days
I keep hearing about the "dead internet theory" and always shrugged it off as nonsense, but then when I start seeing videos like these... I wonder how many 'people' I've spoken with on RS that aren't actually human. Probably a very small number; as you said, this technology is still brand new, but it won't be forever. It's still rather obvious whether you're talking with a real human being or a machine, but there will come a time where you will simply stop noticing the difference between the two. Definitely one of the more creepier thinks of the modern age...
Quit being racist against machines haha >.<
When a family has 16 kids no one accuses them of botting to help run the farm. But do the exact same thing with AI and suddenly everyone is up in arms about it.
The year is 2029, OSRS and many other MMORPG's are sadly no longer popular with their communities, due to mismanagement and strong competition. In response to declining player amounts, Jagax worked with general AI engineers to provide players as content for their remaining player base. The tech being 3 years old at this point, it had become very cheap, and a low player base was their main issue in onboarding new players.
After using data harvested from thousands of combined hours of players play time, they were able to rebuild the economy, PVP, minigames, and other player affected features well enough that the human player count began to climb back into to the hundreds and eventually thousands.
There were side effects of course, not noticeable to the average player though. Sometimes they would remove bots when their were too many or acting outside their vision for the game, and some players would have dozen of active friends disappear overnight from their friends list, certain clans would lose massive amounts of members, and items on the GE would be volatile following deletions as sometimes listing being deleted would raise price, or bots who consumed those items disappearing would lower prices.
Eventually, many players suspected the player count was mostly bots. However, this was due to many AI players botting; and by banning these players Jagax ultimately increased AI and human confidence in their AI assisted moderation team.
What if we're ai? You could be an ai. I could be an ai. Heck, even sirpugger could be a bot.
Well I'm not to involved with Twitter stuff but apparently with Elon buying it there's been a ton of people losing supposed bot followers by the thousands and it's just entertaining
Cool comment! I am a writer, and a reader. I just finished a book :)
Manscaped's electronics have a 3 month warranty. They also have a subscriptions that sends blades for said electronics every 3 months. Makes you think.
That convo with the ai telling us were in a simulation hit hard
That ending was perfect. Tricked me into getting right over 10 minutes of watch time
I remember finding a bot in the Wildy and it talking to me and then a few weeks later a video surfaced about them. They were the ones when you attack they would say “stop” or “wait” and then say “nice gear” or “nice acc” and then “good luck” and log. Super sketch
I don't create or condone bots but it's very easy to code bots.
The problem with programming is that plagiarism is key-that is to say, once the starter code is written, creating new bot scripts becomes easy. When I say plagiarism, I'm referring to code being copy-pasta because there's a limit to the number of ways you can code one thing. This means once a decent amount of bot-code for Runescape was completed, it's all about copy-pasting that code in different ways to make it do "similar activities".
For example, turning a cooking bot into a smithing bot just requires the bot to recognize the difference between fire/range and an anvil. In this example, banking is done the same with switching raw food for bars. This means the code for a cooking bot can be used for a smithing bot with a change in the recognition of the required inventory, and the banking portion is the same as it just switches "important icons" from cooking to smithing.
I'll say it again, programing is about plagiarism/copy-pasta and it didn't require the community to become programmers. It only required them to have a basic understanding of which line of codes does what and rearrange available codes to work how they want it to. A programmer would have an easier time by far but there's no way they would build it from the ground up when there's clearly open source scripts available to copy-pasta and save lots of time.
To compare how a regular person would rewrite a script, all your have to do is look at the human body:
1. How do you walk forward? You lift one leg and let your body fall forward before letting that foot reach the ground and follow up with your other leg.
2. How do you walk backwards? You invert the "code" (method) of walking forward. It's an inversion of the copy-pasta!
3. etc.
What's hilarious is that it's much easier to implement moving a character that's already automated by the game's character movement as you skip a lot of the human body steps as you only need to click once to automatically move a long distance in osrs.
Of course, the hard part would be coding things to work the way you want from the ground up-how do you recognize an object?, How do you interact with object N (, N+1, N+2, etc.)?, How long do you have to wait before you can start your next action (time or recognition of inventory)?, and so on. Once all these starting factors are coded once, it can be copied into each and every script so you don't have to code it again, and if someone gets a hold of that script, they can copy it as well. There were new objects with the new minigame but once they're added to the database of actions, it's all about playing the game a couple times to understand "what you need the bot to watch out for and do" and then arranging the available code to work (and troubleshooting when it doesn't).
Kyled00m more people need to know this cause u are on point 100%
Having bots hold conversations (responding to questions) in Runescape is a pretty difficult problem. You can't have them read the chat log or even respond to overhead text in populated areas or they'd be typing 2-3 sentences every 10 seconds responding to every person that's talking. And if you're running a bot farm at a single location each bot is going to have a similar enough answer to raise suspicion, even if they don't all answer at the same time.
Wouldn't the solution there be code to have certain players take priority and then ignore inputs from other players until that prioritized player is detected to have left then set a random cool down period before responding to someone else and obviously the bots try to avoid picking the same player via different code to keep track of "ally" bots
@@legojay14 I guess that could work in a crowd, but how about a situation with 2-3 other players all talking together? The bot will talk to one and ignore the other two, while all humans will be talking together adding to the conversation. And the part about not talking to the same players, now you're talking about code running a network of bots instead of each bot running its own code. I saw some that looked like that before on one of Pugger's LMS bot vids and that was impressive, but not at all easy to make or manage. Your idea might even be even more complicated than what that code does.
I don't code bots, my experience is more with the academic side of machine learning, so I don't know when things stop being profitable, but this is a lot of work to test and bugfix in order to have a bot not do what a bot does.
@@Stormskip you'd probably have the bot to store names in a temp file then take the input from each person and respond to be able to keep track of who's saying what, the issue with this would be the ai might be under stress replying to lots of people at once or trying to and the reply rate would be immense if 100 people triggered the bot with a key word or sentence for example "hello" or "how are you" you would more than likely crash the server , id assume this bot is triggered with key sentences or words probably both and has a max radius it can see / respond to a player , if I ever found one of these bots I would probably try see if it takes input args , maybe ask the Devs if they have special keywords or they're just using a API to respond rather than them having to manually code different responses ,hence only talking about reading and writing ??
You could just make sure it only responds if the person is mentioned or if someone else has already said that response then not to say anything at all or even just have the one bot say it , all of them don't have to say anything there are logical ways around this
@@JDM-Chaser Unless you're wanting the bot to talk with someone over multiple sessions, names are short enough to just store in memory you don't need to make a file. And having a bot track a whole conversation is ambitious to say the least. Even the sophisticated bot in this video couldn't remember that Puggers said he already ate a frog. The neural nets that are built to mimic conversation have a difficult time tracking information over long sentences, let alone multiple sentences. Computers just don't learn the same way we do, we can't easily teach them key words.
I agree the bot in the vid is likely triggered by sentences like 'hello', but it probably only has a few sentences it responds with and selects which sentence based on keywords. Basically I'm thinking it's just a long switch statement that selects based on what a number of string searches find.
Or, based on the response to woodcutting level, it picks a sentence based on RNG if it isn't responding to 'hello'. Lol.
Bot makers need to program their talking bots to speak in some uncommon language. Like Swahili, or Vietnamese.
That way, it won't matter that the bot is saying nonsense; because 99% of people seeing it talk will already think an uncommon foreign language is nonsense.
and then they automatically switch to the idea of them being gold farmers since hur dur speak another language must be gold farmer. not all people but a lot think like this
Shhh don't give them any ideas.
Ever played Evony? 75% of the Bots are Vietnamese for this specific reason.
@@sn1perjoe462 but that's not forbidden or ?
@@PaulRudd1941 French is the second most commonly spoken language in the world after English. It'd be a terrible one to pick if they're trying to escape notice by running the odds that no one will understand them.
The bot saying "How long have you been reading?" was hilarious
RuneScape has seriously pioneered the scripting of anything to another level. Like without RuneScape I feel like we would be decades behind on macro technology because not many things require this much effort. People pushing the limits of technology is actually amazing, it’s also really sad at the same time. But still, I think even you Mr.P through all of these videos and research you’ve done have found a keen interest in this script technology. Imagine having a bar tender robot at a bar that could have a conversation with you and get your drinks on time. This stuff is actually the future of our reality, and it baffles me it came from a game my childhood stems from and how I learned to actually converse as a child and learning to type. Just wow
Adversity is the father of invention and grandfather of evolution. If Jagex literally did nothing, few would bother making anything more advanced then a color bot that clicks anything that looks vaguely flax colored.
the creators are RuneScape are one of the richest people in the u.k
Yes and no. While it is something that's "uncanny" in the sense of you interacting with a lifeless machine, the same can be said of simply your own smartphone assistant.
All they're doing is plugging in an additional layer of programming, which in this case is using OCR (taking text from the screen). Then just relaying back (what we could call 'answering' us lol) the response from whatever source it's sending the chat/dialogue. Similar to how you may have a different "conversation" with Siri or Alexa, in that you may say the same thing but both give a different response as/in their own "way".
Youre so wrong about it, "scripts" as you know that were generaly named "Cheats(they still are)" but ppl started really using it when it came to games that had real money tied to it, and those were early mmo's they didnt got any real progress since it was very easy to do, remember anti cheat was very bad, then came Steam with their games and cheats took off there, took whole 6 month after wow was released to have bots in it, this was a game changer and bot became very good but again stood still for a loong time untill egoshooter were the new stuff and ppl began to cheat since it was a "i am better than you place" even the code writer had to semi- compete since better cheats= more buyers, egoshooter right now are so advanced that AI learning is a huge part of it, making them almost undetectable (still in the early phases) waht i saw was impressive and if this will make its way to runescape as standart (isnt right now, ive recently got the knowhow how to do it). then either jagex will have a real anticheat team or the game will have a bad time.
He just said he ate a frog.
Then the bot says Its good for you, you should try it sometime.
Nope. Not a super-advanced artificial intelligence robot LOL 🤣😂
several years ago I made a 10 hp 1 def account, it had 99 magic, 90 str, 90 range, and 70 attack with a few skilling 99's and overall base level of 30 asides from hp/def. I ended up selling it for just over $300 when I left the game. (this was an autoclicked account with over 100m xp auto clicked and no bans)
'Let's talk about 2 things most of my viewers have.... testicular cancer i-- '
damn bro you got me hahaha
Hahaha that ending 😂😂 great vid!! Love to see it as always
This is one thing I always think about when I'm a noob just tryna have a convo ppl thinking I'm a bot
Some of the community is so nice to new people they make a bot to get the free handouts. Others wait in the dark until you cross that line.
bots have used quick chat and responded to it since i played rs2 i remember it at the barbarian village fishing spot
Runescape BotAI nowdays: "Every second you're not specing into maul, I'm getting closer"
Bots were doing this first on RuneScape Classic. I remember seeing auto chat responses back in 2004 or so..
if you said hi they would just say hello I’m busy or semi afk or some shit
The "please say hello to me" I am legend meme is top tier
tbh, i feel like it's fairly easy to tell bots by their incredibly accurate use of punctuation. maybe i'm crazy, but the players that i've talked to in RS usually never use "i'm" they just say "im" and there are lots more misspellings.
I dunno, I'm one of those players who's really anal about punctuation, so we _are_ out there. Definitely in the minority though, I will admit that.
@@LoremasterYnTaris anal is against the rules in osrs, u should report them
its probablly all made up for youtube content creation bussines. wont be suprised
To be fair, I have a thing for proper grammar; even in video games lol
I also never use capitalization (besides for a lone "I"), in addition to not using apostrophes in contractions when chatting in-game. I think its more like if they always use apostrophes + they always use periods at the end of every message - including single sentence ones.
i think the easiest way to pick them out is their use of punctuation and capitalisation; they’re always super on point
That and how promptly they respond
A neural networking bot with a sizable network could get so smart you wouldn't be able to tell it apart from a real player.
Honestly kind of wild seeing this bot work. Moves the mouse off the screen and doesn't do work for a random amount of time AND types back to others. Crazy.
Puffer: How long have you been reading?
Bot: I’m not sure I’m more of a reader than a mather.
Next minute sirpugger is the number underworld bot runner that ever existed 😀
So almost no ones a human. And half of those humans are buying infernal capes. The absolute state of it
I do not care if anyone believes me but I know what that botting community is, I am a member. It is very technicaly and the scripts are all personally made for the individual. I am willing to show proof to pugger for a vid.
@sirpugger
The twist at the end is gonna be that Sir Pugger was a bot all along
"talk about the two things most of my viewers have. April is Testicular Cancer..." bruh lmao
"What's the first thing in runescape you do if someone near you might be a bot"
I aint no snitch. Im minding my own business lmao
If I find someone who looks like a bot, I just report them and go about my day as usual.
I realize bots are bad for the game but I don't know what I'd do without SirPugger's videos
if someone asks you a question, make the bot say "piss off" then clam up after
nobody would ever know
Part of what's made the bot creation so common/flourishing is the openness with which code & databases are shared. Especially if it's related to AI. Just the same applies to the process of catching bots as well. It's just funny though because it's a virtual obstacle course in where one AI is looking to overcome the exercises (defenses) & once it accomplishes that, it's now the other (jagex/ban hammers) looking for another way to thwart it.
“Something most of my viewers have, testicular cancer” -Sirpugger, probably
For every slayer bot you find that should allow you to get another task considering they are rare otherwise you'll struggle to train the skill it seems
Don’t think I’ve even dropped a comment on a TH-cam vid, but your vids are mad fun to watch
bots have had these auto reply functionalities for at least a decade, I even fooled a player moderator back in RS2 lol
sir pugger: hey
bot: nothing much just checkin mah balls for testicular cancer
I knew there were bots who did this but this is next level xD
When the bots start talking to eachother
The conversation you had with the chat bot reminds me of that one time I decided to run through Edgeville after entering town from the wilderness side screaming about the Borg coming, and that people should run. So pretty much being randomly bizarre.
I was convinced several years ago when I stopped playing that there’s more bots/gold farmers than there are real people playing, and I’ve only been more convinced of that as I see videos like this
What a shame - tis was my childhood.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the people who write RuneScape scripts do it as practice for their own skills, but it’s also probably fun for them because they combine a hobby and their work. If I was learning computer science, to get some extra experience I would totally try to write increasing harder and better scripts
This is how I learned
Oh, God. The robot apocalypse is gonna have 99 agility
These ads are getting smarter. -Not a bot comment
Sometimes I lay in bed with a wireless mouse and play from across the room, where I wouldn't be able to read the chat and wouldn't have my keyboard to respond.
Does that mean I'm going to get banned?
I just wonder how many times innocent people are banned.
sirpugger would probably think im a bot, im always semi afking
Years ago I asked that Cleverbot if he plays Runescape he replied, "I play Old School Runescape the only good version of Runescape" I was creased and as an RS3 player as if he did me like that. Wish I got a screenshot, I tried asking him it since but he says other stuff now.
Update: I asked him again just there, he says he doesn't play Runescape but he plays Minecraft, LMFAO
i have a few screenshots from 2013 of 3 different accounts randomly saying jokes while at training at rock crabs, I thought it was sus at the time so i'm not surprised i'm seeing this now hahaha
How many actual players will get reported as bots thanks to this, I wonder.
THey almost need to make RS into a game where you control your own bots. Like Lordship. Give the POH and update to house bots, like the butler, then allow them to run around the map. Collect items, kill things, compete with the third party bots. Just an idea. Between the POH and Miscelania, you can have your own bots.
I would make them all yellow and have them spam lol/rofl/lmao and call myself IamGrew
On the one hand...that is one scary botting development if bots can use AI software now to chat. I'm kinda impressed honestly. On the other hand I'm annoyed, though, since I'm bad with social skills (often when I leave a comment or chat with others I end up looking like an utter noob) so I often just give updates on how my Classical Languages studies are going. I really hope I don't end up getting attacked by players asking 'you botting bro???' 24/7 :(
How are you classical languages studies going?
@@Friedrich2DerGrosse Not that great due to mental health and hygiene issues... but I'm working on a translation as a personal project and it's going well. I hope you're doing well yourself. Love the name.
@@marraine7299 I can relate to that hard bro/sis. I've been dealing with depression, anxiety, low self esteem, you know the whole package, for many years. And then the pandemic hitted me getting out highschool so the insolation, not knowing what to do with my life and losing contact with most of my friends made my mental state really bad. This last two years i began the "climbing back" tho and i'm way better as a person. Bit of a rant, just to say that with up's and low's we need to keep grinding. Mind if i ask you what's the translation about? And thanks i've become a bit of a history nerd this two years of pandemic.
@@Friedrich2DerGrosse I feel that. I'd already been dealing with depression and untreated PTSD...then my mom went psycho during the pandemic and things skyrocketed. I'll have to move back in sadly due to a number of issues but I should be fine. I'm glad to hear you're doing better yourself. I hope the upward trend continues!
I'm trying to translate the Iliad from Ancient Greek into English with some slang, swears, pop culture references, etc (I have the work on Google Drive, so I share it with whoever wants to see it and give feedback). I probably won't finish it since I move next month and once I move, my mom won't let me 'waste my time on it' anymore (which saddens me since I really wanted to sell it)... but I'm continuing anyway as proof to myself that the depression ain't killed me I guess. And yeah, my favorite thing to translate is Greek and Roman historical texts. History nerds of the world, unite! :)
@@marraine7299 That's a shame. Try to use the time while you're back to improve and regroup and maybe eventually move out again, i know that's easier said than done but cutting toxicity/bad environments do wonders for our mental health. Perhaps you could continue to work mobile? Google Drive it's available on phones and you could use it to "sneak" some work in. Any hobbie that brings us joy isn't a waste of time, what you do it's better than, for example, watching TV since you're crafting something with passion, patience and dedication and that's something not everybody has or can do! You also mentioned "selling it" so there's even the possibility of financial gain and maybe kickstart a future carrer as a writer! Btw, when you translate you do it from "old english" to modern one or you do it directly from Greek or Latin?
I've written custom bots within 20 minutes after updates, honestly they're pretty simple to get going and if you've got a template (previous update version bot) then it can take even less time to get one up and going, it's the testing that takes more time than anything really
im not suprised bots get made faster you make being a botter seem fantastic
Even sadder is there r ways Jagex can stop this shit but they don't for one reason. Money 👍
my buddy made a script in 2007-2008 that would respond with 100s of code words. was super advanced for the time… well he ended up getting a job offer from facebook for 6 digits are year lol
Bro the AI thing at the end totally got me
I am seeing a lot of bots at Lumbrage bank using the spinning wheel on the second level and running back to the upper bank. I’ve seen them in multiple worlds usually about 2 to 3 at a time I have reported them. You can buy flax for very cheap and both strings are currently around 200 GP
Bot tip : At sand crabs south of Port Piscarilius, there are multiple naked bots on EVERY world training magic. I don't know what they're up to, but they're all cb 25-46 with bot like names. It's crazy how many there are.
What you can do is "Are you a bot?" And if they respond, I say it again, If they respond diferently, I say "are trees the ro bots?" And if they respond "Im not a bot" I report them
Now Pugger will be able to talk on his bot only series!
holy shit that alexa conversation spooked me lmao
That ending was good. Lmao.
I remember when all bots could type was 123456789ty lmao. The old grotworm bots pre eoc specifically
To prove their bots, just ask it the same question over and over
Really appreciate you highlighting the balls in the Manscaped segway. Get your nuts checked fellas. If it feels wrong, it probably is.
Kinda funny how the game is probably like 50% bots, 25 % gold farmers and 25 % "legit" players.
the game economy is being controlled by youtubers. youtube is the biggest business in the world
Some of these bots seem like a great improvement to RuneScape.. populate random empty mini game worlds & locations with bots? Sure, free way to play dead content
You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down and see a tortoise. It's crawling toward you. You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that?
I'm the final boss of the turing test because I always get these AI's to very distinguishably not know what to reply with. It's all about logic attacking. I literally start every convo with 'what's poppin' and half of them don't know what I'm doing.
When the bots integrate with chatgpt api, gonna be scary
I've been doing sarachnis recently (pet hunting) and seems to be a lot of bots sitting in the red spider room training with a cudgel
i swear the firestander guy that used to stand on the barb village fire on 301 was one of these bots
I remember bots at zammy wine spawn years ago would respond to you but it would be really cryptic nonsense and obviously not even an attempt at conversation. Wonder if anyone remembers them lol
I'm genuinely so scared people will report my lvl 3 skilled. It's got a few 80s and 79s but mostly 50s and I randomly talk to people but almost no one responds
These bots talking is creepy as hell. Now I have a new game to play. Guess the chat bot lmao.
Bots doing agility at Seer's village, and they keep hopping worlds every half hour or so to rotate accounts. Almost all the same skills.
Fishcare2703, 99gold2116, 53jackalpig; Just a few I have seen. Never more than one per world.
GOTR already released?!?1? That's CRAZYYYYYYYY Script Factory is INSANE
hahaha the ending I really thought the vid was finished :D
I don't like botters but the idea of coding a bot seems so cool, and I wish I had more free time to learn to code a bot myself. I love runescape too much and so I wouldn't want to make anything disruptive, but there's so many things I'd love to see if I could code, just as a proof of concept. So cool. Love these vids.
It's interesting to see this from the botters perspective. I code for a living and I figured these guys must be doing things like random sleeps to appear more human to Jagex. Interesting video!
What did the super artificial intelligence mean by “you have to get out of here” 😱😱
I got a 2 week ban a year after botting when I was younger, never again.
One thing i always thought of if you want to create a working bit that dosent get banned just get it to respond to messages
But į didnt think its acctualy possible