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- I rank all the Snipers according to their usefulness in a tier list.
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Honestly a Dragon/Beast tier list would be cool.
@Mason Abney
FE3 Tiki?!
She's pretty unimpressive in book 1 honestly, I know she's good in book 2 but I haven't tried her out so I'll give you the benefit of a doubt
@Mason Abney your forgetting the royal laguz
Chris F. She’s kinda busted in FE3 (who gave the idea to allow her to fly, because they need a raise), especially considering the way her “transformation gauge” works, being based on her pretty good luck stat and growth (basically she has a 50% chance to stay transformed for 5 turns or 50% to stay for 5 plus half of her luck stat). In Book 1, she’s basically your best shot at beating Medeus should you not have the Falchion, as even people with the Regalias aren’t gonna be doing much, and when it comes to the chapters, she can fly over the mountains and rivers in chapters 16, 17 and 19.
Book 2 is where the real fun starts, as not only does she join earlier, allowing her flying utility with the Divinestone to be even more useful, but her joining chapter has a secret shop that sells Wyvern and Mage stones. With the former, she can once again fly, but also have 12 movement, or even the capped 15 movement if you give her the boots, allowing her to pick just about any target. If you give her the latter, she will have 15 defense, and most notably, 20 resistance, allowing her to safely face the Meteor and Bolganone Dark mages in the endgame.
Overall, one of the more interesting Manaketes to talk about, and she’s in the third game, shame that they removed that mechanic in the DS titles.
I think due to Tellius you’d have to split the dragons & beasts into seperate lists (could include the dragon Laguz in the dragon list though maybe?)
Most have some pretty poopy availability
I think it's worth noting that it's relatively easy to get shamir into brigand for +6mt. It makes her damage more reliable on maddening. She can also get S+ bows for 5 more might and +10 critical, and there's not much reason not to since she starts with A bows and sniper is a great endgame class.
I think pegasus on her isn't super useful to dip into. As a sniper, she has almost no reason not to use Hunter's Volley every player phase, and Sniper Shamir is arguably better than Falcon Knight Shamir. At the very least Sniper Shamir is endgame good and requires no focused investment. Like you said, she's so low maintenance.
I agree with her placement though. She's so good, but a rung lower than the lords
shamir's performance is really straightforward, just like her personality.
the lack of anyone reaching S tier is how i know this is a good list.
RD Shinon not being on the same tier as the FE6 snipers at the very least is criminal.
Bro he gets the double bow at the end game (which sucks) but he literally wipes the floor with basically any unit... Or does that not count cause he is a marksman?
@@The00Christian he joins as a sniper, and that's all that matters. hell, you don't even have to be a sniper at all to be on this list, since shura's base class is adventurer, so his role is more akin to a thief (it's the promoted form of the outlaw, which is the thief in all but name and weapon type).
@@The00Christian I agree Shinon should probably be higher, but I don't think characters should get too many points based on how they perform in the Tower of Judgement. Those five chapters are, in my opinion, the greatest power trip section in any game I've ever played, so any character you bring along, if you've treated them well, will curb stomp and make you feel amazing. Its the reward for suffering through 4-P to 4-4. Murdering Izuna also helps, to be fair
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(sees shamir at top)
all is good
I gave you your 69th like.
Your welcome.
"George is a 3 star unit" *Gets put in B tier*
"Shinon is a 5 star unit at his best, a 3 star elsewhere" *Gets put in C*
???
He might have changed his mind?
Ale Isshiki from his comments about George in this video doesn’t seem that way. Decent, low investment unit that can do some stuff and has some utility (so basically a three star ish unit)
George needs no investment for 3 stars.
Assuming Shinon needs luck and investment to reach three stars
@@pinkstarmona1695 Shinon needs nothing to reach 3 stars lmao. Shinon just works. Mekkah's placement of him makes no sense. He's better than all of B tier.
Theitsybitsyspider no he isn’t lol
I really think you're underestimating RD Shinon a lot. He's a completely serviceable unit and has utility in the tower that others don't, his combat in Part 3 also isn't half bad and aside from Mia he is one of the only GM who can double reliably at base.
It's also probaply for him to cap stat early, so you can early promote him an he still doubles enemies where titania for example struggles
I think Mekkah did agree with all the positives you mentioned. Does that mean you think his earlygame/endgame benefits should be weighed more strongly than his mid-availability drawbacks?
I think he basically said that. Endgame he's good, early part three he's good, in the middle he struggles
Agreed, Shinon is great. Big wall of text incoming so apologies in advance.
Mekkah mentions that Shinon can't one-round with the 1-2 range crossbow, but nobody one-rounds reliably with 1-2 range weapons in part3 until hand axes/javelins
become forgeable which takes a while. And even then it's just Haar. Ike will absolutely not one-round reliably with a wind edge. Maybe Ike (and Mia too for that matter) can if he's given the adapt skill. Titania isn't doubling anything until like part 3 endgame so that's a no. Oscar and Nephenee are just too weak. Janaff and Ulki don't even have an 1-2 range option.
Shinon is also a great user of the adapt skill which actually gives him a pretty decent shot at one-rounding if you're lucky enough. It's also not like Shinon just dies on enemy phase, the guy got some bulk too.
The fact that Shinon is one of the very few in part3 that one-rounds ever, even if it's just player phase or even if it requires the adapt skill to do so, is extremely valuable. On many maps you want to make haste for bonus exp, map objective to unlock Lehran or item drops/steals (like the energy drop in the defense map or the bolting tome in the early swamp map) so just clearing stuff on player phase can really be appreciated.
And this is just part3. Part4 is probably his worst, but he's definitely not bad. On the Greil army is Shinon, alongside his fellow Snipers, among the only ones that one-round the 4-1 pegasus knights and especially the boss, because noone other than like Mia and Nailah can double those lasses. In 4-4 he can abuse ledges like no other and shoot down all those reinforcements. On Hawk army I've had Leonardo with a Nolan support clear out the entire southern portion of 4-2 (first Hawk army chapter) on his own with crossbows (yes I actually like using Leonardo on Hard mode, I think he's pretty underrated), and if Leo can, so can Shinon. If you bring Shinon to the Hawk army you can also give him beastfoe and just destroy everything with crossbows in the Izuka chapter. I know this chapter can be finished within a turn or 2 using the rescue staff but still. -I guess he's also usable on Micaiahs army where there are a lot of wyvern reinforcements that he can shoot down, but eh, Greil and Hawk are better for him.- edit: nvm completely forgot Wyvern aren't weak to arrow, crossbow Shinon def isn't one-rounding those I think, my b.
And like mentioned, he is just nuts in the tower.
TLDR; Shinon deserves better imo.
@@nielsa6783 Very interesting! I've always liked Shinon but I've never actually played HM in RD until my current run (still on part 2), so that's an interesting take that I will just have to take your word for. Crossbows are definitely the most unique part of RD and I've never really utilized them. It sounds pretty useful to be able to one-round some stuff. One thing I am wondering is how much enemy healing is there in early(ish) part 3? I guess if it's not too much then 2 rounding is more fine for all these units, and hand axes/javelins are certainly easier to come by than the crossbows.
Also do you usually take provoke off him?
I have to say, Innes seems to be a markedly superior Sniper to Louise, particularly in Eirika’s route. He joins earlier and has just as strong offense as Louise, but he’s also able to reliably one-round Gargoyles and such throughout the game, whereas Louise has trouble surviving the large amounts of hard-hitting Wyverns in the FE7 lategame and isn’t as reliable.
I'd agree that Innes is better than Louise but FE8 is also an easier game. Most FE8 enemies don't take much to KO them.
Of course
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I think Innes has remarkable durability and really set a trend for future archers and snipers to be more sturdy
Meh, personally I think there are a lot of available units in FE8 that I'd rather deploy than Innes, whereas I'm almost always deploying Pent in FE7, and often it's worthwhile to let Louise tag along.
I think Louise is getting a LOT of credit on this list for her Pent support. As a unit herself, she's definitely not better than Innes.
Gonna comment on Rachel from TRS: she's the real Jagen of TRS. Has innate mercy on human enemies which makes her useful for raising units such as Sasha earlygame. She contributes fairly well on monster maps such as Holmes route so she is able to still kill things. You can remove her mercy skill via an event but that requires picking Ruka sadly. She's still very solid regardless as she can use a lot of bows at base. Maybe B tier for average? A well designed unit.
Edit: Tomas in New Mystery is so ass on maniac/lunatic he doesn't even one shot dracos in chapter 17 with silver bows at base and he wants an arm scroll to use Parthia if he wants a shot of doing something in chapter 21 against those wyverns.
I add on this comment for Sylwiss from Berwick Saga
She awesome...pretty solid stats especially bow skill. Nice skills with overwatch, aim and being able to attack one more range is just nuts. Her recruitment though is...a bit of a pain in the butt but it possible. Overall, she a really solid Sniper within Berwick Saga thanks to the new combat system and the range system. Even so...she is objective not as a god-like as Sherlock (Not in the early game) the machine gun bow archer but is a million times better then Estoben. A tier or B tier...that up to you.
@@royalhistorian5109 The most fun I had with Sylvis was when I got Vantage for her through eating Stuffat Tal-Fenek. Killer Crossbow (0-1-Range!) + Killer Arrows + Vantage is absurdly broken in a game where enemy-phasing isn't really common.
@@Eliholz Oh yea...I forgot about that. Even so, I won't rate Sylvis top tier due to lack of bulk but then again...not a lot units can take a hit without a shield. Overall, I like Sylvis...she fun to use.
Rachel (Raquel?) is so good and I don't mind keeping the mercy skill at all, except that she likes to waste tons of bow uses by proccing continue on "dead" enemies.
Tomas is the savior of all.
"Dont hate me Tomas fans" he says to the like 3 people who have used Tomas before
I used tomas as a joke, the 3 people who used tomas only include 2 Tomas fans
I still find it incredibly macabre that you kill Shura, a thief, and steal the boots off his corpse. And it plays the "item get" tune like it's a happy occasion. Fates is so weird.
Thanks to GOT, I now have a proper image to go with that th-cam.com/video/PmmGplTqWZs/w-d-xo.html (Skip to 2:12)
I always kill him to get the boots tbh
Corrin caught me slippin, he got me for my foams
@@agromchung which is better? +1 mov in a game where turtling is encouraged, or a unit that can trivialize the ninja cave (one of the most infamous levels in conquest) with minimal investment and can pull his weight in every subsequent chapter with the exception of eternal stairway?
I'm gonna have to disagree with Shura's placing, he easily goes into A tier. Conquest Shura is an absolute monster if used correctly. With a meal and a fast pair up he can one round the master ninjas on lunatic the chapter after joining if he's a master ninja, even if you don't use an arms scroll on him for this he can still be a really good chip unit for the ninja chapter and the rest of the game. Not to mention he has access to replicate from his Mechanist reclass, get replicate and then reclass back into Adventurer for 2 staff bots at the price of 1 deployment slot.
Shura is fast, strong, all around reliable damage dealer who debuffs to *boot* and can be made into a great support unit with rallies from Adventurer and Berserker and access to staffs.
I think bow knight is a way better option than adventurer; 9 move is just too good, e.g. 9 move lock touch lets you skip the Hans room in ch 26.
He can one-round the master ninjas in CQ 17 without changing classes because you can force them to fight him at 2 range, and then you get to exploit bow WTA over shurikens
The fact thag shura = Fe11 jeorge is cringe
LegendOfSonic
Shura? Who is that?
I think you are referring to boots.
As for shamir, a few extra points, she can kill the death knight in chapter 6 at base in maddening with lance of ruin knightkneeler (she comes with knightkneeler), and if you are indeed reclassing her, her best option is archer for hit+20, fughter for str +2 and brigand for deathblow, and then just sniper with her only focus being bows for midlate game bowfaire. This plan also isnt hard because if you reclass her straight away, shell have good stats anyways for the early chapters which makes it so you can train her whilst still being able to make good use of her, and soloing auxiliary battles with her is actually pretty easy and gets her the skills even faster. And lastly remember that the knowledge gem also exists for this build
dondon's addenda to Mekkah's comments:
- FE6 had 2 snipers on the list and somehow you forgot to talk about the Brave Bow! Klain and Igrene sometimes circumvent their doubling issues with this, and unlike the Brave Axe and Brave Lance forcing the user to get up close and risk getting murdered due to AS loss, the Brave Bow is often risk-free. It also has the highest accuracy of the obtainable brave weapons in FE6.
- I agree with Louise's placement but largely disagree with the reasoning behind it. FE7 has a deployment slot shortage, so choosing to deploy Louise means that you think a deployment slot is worth +3 defense to Pent, because she isn't doing much else and chances are that you can still do something useful with her unit slot. For a unit with a bad enemy phase, her combat is also fairly mediocre. At her join time, she will be strictly outclassed by Rath, except for the part about giving support to Pent.
- The comment section is vastly overrating FE10 Shinon. I think that there is an argument for B tier (and I would probably place him there), but he is basically a filler utility unit past chapter 3-4. The problem is that FE10 has rout maps in 3-8, 3-10, 3-E, and most of part 4, where Shinon is killing at most like, 4 out of 40+ enemies on the map. And every bit of investment that Shinon gets in early part 3 is investment that could've gone to someone that does things in part 4. Then there is the allure of the Double Bow, which I think you put too much focus on despite downplaying its role in Shinon's performance - that's how irrelevant it is. 4-E-1 is rout, which means that Shinon is bad, until you pick up the Double Bow and relay it to him, at which point the map should be half over. His existence is irrelevant in the rest of 4-E because those maps can be beaten in 1 turn. Then he chips an aura and the game is over. So Shinon does not have much of a peak at the end of FE10, and to get there came at the detriment of at least another unit.
how shes going to get outclassed by Rath because by the time he joins you already dont have to worry about training up another cavarly (even in HHM)
Thanks dondon
@@ohandthefracking Base + promo Rath already beats Louise in physical bulk and is behind 1 point in str and 5 points in spd. If you account for some level ups between their join times, Rath will tie or beat Louise in str by chapter 26 and be slightly behind in spd at worst, which doesn't really matter because both will double the same things. So the choice between deploying her or Rath comes down to whether you want a mounted unit or +3 def for Pent in specific situations. Rath has some advantages over other mounted units such as taking less penalty from forests and snow and being able to rescue every other character.
Brave Bow is pretty nice, I actually think it's a pro for Louise too. Not Innes sadly cause brave weapons come too late in FE8, and it doesn't really matter for other snipers I think. I feel like Igrene usually won't need Brave Bow but Klein definitely gets a bit better due to it.
Low deployment slots in HHM is true. I did find her to be worth the slot in a lot of chapters after she joined in negative growths and probably would still with 0%, but with growths she is definitely outclassed by pretty much anyone who has been trained and is still being deployed (cavaliers, magic users, etc)
And yeah I didn't even mention that endgame in FE10 is just so short. I'm not even assuming everyone 1 turns the upcoming map, but even for casual players it's good to note that in 4-E-2 no matter what Shinon does it's not going to help the main objective of the map. I think 1-turning 4-E-3 is a bit too difficult/complex to assume for most players so I'd give Shinon some credit there for being able to attack without getting countered and then being able to counterattack on EP, plus he has an easy time making use of Ena thanks to his flexibility. 4-E-4 is an easy one turn though and he'll only attack twice at most in 4-E-5 unless he gets vigored.
I'm glad someone else agrees that comment section is over hyping shinon. People keep saying that crossbows fix his 1 range but neglect the fact that 28 atk is less than every greil merc at base except mist. The the next best crossbow, aqqar(34 mt), isn't even useable until 3-e because it's dropped by the 3-11 boss. This is all neglecting the cost of crossbows.
Innes requires almost nothing to be good up until the final chapter and has easy access and lack of competition for Nidhogg
I just tried to figure out who would even compete with him and i think the only other Archer is Neimi? Yeah.. very much a lack of competition there.
@@Aurirang Nidhogg Ranger Gerik new meta
Or better yet, Warrior Ross
But why would you use Innes in the first place unless fighting gargoyles?
@@Aurirang im sorry but Neimi herself has 0 competition for Orion's Bolt and dont underestimate ranger
@@vanjagalovic3621 I found him pretty good at baiting mages. Mind, half the cast of Sacred Stones are good at baiting mages and multiple other things while Innes' only really good at that, but it's a use at least.
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Real Mekkah hours.
A thief tier list would be cool
There would only be two tiers
"Game without buyable keys" and "game with buyable keys"
RD Sothe would be top tier
almost any thief from Thracia 776 would be S tier and Dew/Patty would be at the high place
Matthew is my favorite, because he was in the first one I played.
@@BornToBeWired
He's decent since you are forced to use him for half the game.
Shura should be in S tier because +1 move on Camilla is really good.
Tbh, I like saccing him for the Boots for Camilla so I can have an 11 move Camilla from map 23 on (Both boots + Kaze pairing for a ton of Speed and +1 move). It's just so fun to have an 11 move Camilla.
Love the tier list vids - watch every one of them! Keep up the great work! P.S. I know it’s probably a lot of work but it would be cool to see clips from the games the units originally come from in the bottom right corner
Louise in D-Tier Mangs will be triggered😂
True that. Let's make Mangs watch that portion of this video over and over again in case he loses his current FE6 Ironman run.
@@chaoticcaper9015 yeah 😂 i think he will lose the Ironman of FE6😂
It's funny how the first seven are blond and after that they stopped making blond snipers altogether
Mekkah: _about Louise_ I think the most significant part of her is her husband and not really her
Mangs: >:(
Its the truth.
Why would Mangs wanted to elope with Louise anyway?
Innes and RD shinon should be higher. Innes on eirika route stays viable the whole game and can easily use the nidhogg.
Innes being able to use Nidhogg doesn't mean much if you're only using the thing to shoot 1 enemy a turn. You still can't counterattack 95% of the enemies the game throws at you on enemy phase. He is really strong against monsters with the Nidhogg, but so is every other sacred weapon user. And compared to some of the bonuses those weapons give, like Garms speed boost, Nidhogg isn't even all that impressive among the sacred weapons.
It's the same as saying Lyn is good because Mani Kati. Or RD Ilyana is good because Rexbolt. Just having access to an exclusive weapon doesn't make the weapon, nor the user, good by default.
I mean RD shinnon is one of my favorites but Mekkah made some really good arguments in the video for why he isnt actually as good as you'd think. Theres a very large portion of the midgame where he's just dead weight
@@DaniDoyle Not really Shinon will only need to tanks one or two 1 range hit, and the rest would be enemies with javelins, hand axes and bows. Since I support him with Gatrie, Gatrie will always right by his side plua some other units like Titania. Heck he tanks better than Titania like ffs. After he gets double bow, LOL. He literally carries my whole run. Not to mention the 3 range shinon. LMAO.
@@youtubedeletedmyaccountlma2263 enemies with 1-2 range aren't going to attack a sniper at two range. Fire emblem ai is bad but its not THAT bad.
@@DaniDoyle Noo, I mean you can put shinon at frontline without much problem. As long as he is accompanied by few other units that can tank. Shinon can endure few hits without problems. (Aka the hits that attack him on one range). What he will clean up is those who have 2 ranges.
Lets provide an scenario
Imagine an alley with only allows one unit to cross at a time.
So first enemy decides to attack shinon at one range and shinon can't do much. So shinon either avoids or tank it like a champ.
Then the second enemy who has javelin will attack shinnon at 2 range because he can't attack shinon at 1 range. Thus all those enemies with 2 ranges dies
what no Bloslav, eveyone knows he is the best shot ever...
(See Mang's Crimson Arm LP for info)
He is an archer tho, not a sniper
@@vishwaarun888 thats...actually a good point, retracted then
I don't see how Shinon isn't at least high B, even without heavy investment he gets 2-3 range naturally on promotion, caps all of his stats easily, and contrary to what you said I would say he almost always one rounds k.o's except against armor units (which there are admittedly a lot of). Maybe it's due to the fact that I usually give out forged weapons like candy and smuggle the Greil mercenaries extra cash (also worth noting you can forge a better silencer for cheaper than the cost of the 2nd silencer on HM). He also has dead eye which isn't reliable but it guarantees a kill whenever it does proc which is nice. He also gets access to the double bow in end game 1, and Shinon is essentially the only viable archer without heavy investment which is really nice for the dragons in end game 3.
Not to mention he can double all of the enemies in the tower, has access to 1-2 range even if it isn't amazing, actually makes good use of provoke, gets 1-3 range when he gets the double bow, and the only real investment he requires is killing an enemy on player phase. If he weren't good at getting kills, he wouldn't consistently place top 5 kills in all of my runs.
The problem shinon has is the lack of 1 range until e-1 and in the part of the game with the thickest enemy density and multiple rout chapters. He has really good combat stats but he is realistically only going to kill one enemy per turn at the most. If there was a fe3h mini bow or close counter in this game, he probably would have been A or S teir.
You should make a tier list video about which games has the best map design or expand this series into listing things outside of characters or units
RD Shinon basically is a wall. He’s so bulky so that I don’t remember him die in all of my playthroughs even once. Although I understand you don’t need a sniper to tank, RD essentially is not that Enemy phase emphasized, and enemy usually prioritizes attacking those who can’t counter, thus Shinon can effectively protect Rhys or Mist if necessary.
Besides, Silencer is also a fantastic weapon which is basically his personal weapon. He is one of few who has a chance to one round some very bulky enemy throughout part 3 and part 4.
Last but not least, there’s few competition when it comes to deploying slots in RD. Shinon is those units that you can always bring with you for every chapter he is available. I know endgame is his biggest advantage but that doesn’t mean you need to do a whole lot for him to shine. Even if you don’t want to bring him to the tower that’s totally fine, because he’s still pretty decent in all maps. Especially in part 4 Greil army, he still gets job done even in base level. I would say Shinon is at least a top B, and significantly better than Klein or Igrene respectively.
Innes is pretty good on the desert mission for one reason, he is able to smack valter and not have to worry about counter attacks via longbow or destroy him with the silver bow. Only issue is valter's high speed might make it to where you cant steal the fili shield so bows are effective, but that is only on hard mode if I remember correctly.
Why is Fe10 Shinon so low
Shura technically isn't a sniper but an adventure that gains staff
Tomatoe Tomatoe
Shinon in C tier is really unfair. He is easily an A tier unit. He is one of the few Greil mercenaries who can consistently one round enemies and he's stupidly tanky. There's never a period where he stops killing enemies and by endgame he is one of the best units in the whole game. He's only A because lack of strong 1-2 range until Double bow. I could maybe see a B tier as well, but C?
Shinon is alright in most of part 3 but after a while the fact that his enemy phase is pretty limited really starts to hurt him, especially with how rout heavy late part 3 and early part 4 are. He does basically get exclusive double bow access but since you get it in 4-F-1 there's not a lot of time to use it effectively. The one map where the 1-2 range is useful is 4-F-3 but Shinon would need dragonfoe to make the most out of it.
Innes has the one advantage of being able to use Nidhogg fairly easily. For a GBA game, it is a bow that can one tap late game monster enemies, and realistically he is your only unit you are really getting much Bow rank on. So like, unlike Jeorge and Parthia, Innes has a Regalia weapon that actually lets him do work on very prevalent late game enemies.
Also his character is surprisingly okay.
The gargoyles in FE8 aren't nearely as dangerous as the enemy flyers in FE11 and 12. Also both FE DS games are more player phased while FE8 is very enemy phased
love shinon in RD, always procs his skills and onerounds anything at 3 range
The prepromote sniper usually end up as pretty solid if not good units.
Although I'd peg PoR Shinon as a funny one - good for the on and off maps he's in, but then he's gone for a longass time. And rejoins with the same 9 str. 2x effectiveness. Ouch.
I gotta say I really like using some of these units since you do get them for free. You did mention context was a very important factor in these rankings, but I think an additional thing worth considering is how the mounted bow users in each game stacks up against the snipers in terms of competition for good bows. I guess I'm mostly thinking of Shin/Sue, Rath and Astrid (FE9), since Brigid doesn't really feel the need to use anything apart from Yewfelle. I guess a lot of the time Klein is running around with a free Silver anyway but maybe this affects Ingrene more? just extra food for thought.
Also only unit with perma 1 range is highest tier shocker
If you wanna compare sniper to their mounted conuterparts.
In FE6 Sue and Shin have better utility and more movement which is very useful in the large maps of FE6, they can also use swords upon promotion, but only iron swords. However both come with a D rank in bows and need to be trained up. Sue even when trained up likely won't have much better combat than Klein and Igreene because of the lack of super canto, her low strength and low bulk. Shin is much better due to hard mode bonuses and his higher strength and will likely be your best bow user in the endgame and even a viable pick for the tower. Dayan is pretty good, having access to silver bows and killing edges at base, though he is hurt by his low availability and needing to go to Sacae in order to get him.
In FE7 Rath just strictly outclasses Louise due to having a mount and you'll usually only deploy Louise over him if you want her to suppor Pent. Though overall neither is very good in FE7.
In FE8 Neiimi and Gerik can promote to horsemen, but they likely won't get the Nidhogg. Still you're never gonna train Neiimi in fast playthrough, but Gerik will likely be better than Innes because Gerik has access to a mount.
Astrid is strictly better than Shinnon is every are in POR. These roles are revesed in RD since Shinnon has better bases and availability this time and having a mount isn't as useful. It's funny to compare these two and see how different they are game to game.
Overall, mounted bow users are strictly better unless it's FE6 or 10.
>captured healer with e rank staves
No Mekkah, that's the exact opposite of how it works
I used Thomas in FE1 two weeks ago. He starts close to promotion at a time where Gordin was clearly behind on levels from having only chipped. No real reason to use him over Jeorge but he worked.
RD Rolf, while his class is Sniper, shouldn't be on this list.
Agree
why not? there's no reason why he shouldn't.
Sniper Wolt is SSSS tier
The Julian tier list is coming. Can’t give up hope yet.
What’s the beginning background music? Sounds like a Pokémon mix
It is, it's even wroten on the corner lmao
Ahhh that’s why, I didn’t watch the video I listened to it on my earphones while at work. Thanks dude.
We need BZZZZTTTTTT for the background music of the next one plz
I just noticed that in FE3, the Regalia weapons give you double experience, so Jeorge using Parthia will get 90 exp killing shit, so he gets exp quite easily, though he needs a bit of wpnlvl level ups to use Parthia in the first place
oh cool
I generally find that no one else has much demand for the arms scroll
Funny how when you made your archer tier list, I remember saying how if RD Shinon was in a tier list, he'd actually terrorize all the other archers and Snipers.
After putting Shinon in c tier, I can't understand that mindset... Like at all. Especially if you keep Shinon in Ike's party for Part 4, he fights in a fog of war map with sandbags, so he can attack enemies from behind them, and then the next map involves using him in a mansion. So I don't understand your reasoning unless you put Shinon in Micaiah or Tibarn's party instead. Also, crossbows aren't horrible, and I have played using Crossbows on both Shinon and other Reavers and those things crit a lot and can clean house against flying units. Especially when you realize you get plenty of solid crossbows by Part 4 (Aqqar has high might, and Taksh has high crit). Crossbows are also some of the most accurate weapons in the entire game, so they aren't useless, and Shinon can easily make usage of them.
Now some people use the excuse that Shinon has to contend with other units that use canto. Sorry to disappoint, but the only unit other than Marksmen who can use the double bow by endgame is Astrid, and despite her growths, Shinon will do significantly better than her by a wide margin.
Sure Shinon can't attack up close unless using a crossbow or the double bow, but his high defense and res (for a marksmen, mind you) are a staple feature as to why he's so great. I would almost say that even during the first part of the greil mercs that Shinon is your best unit, even nore so than Ike, as Shinon can double easier and take better magical damage than Ike which, if you're unlucky like I was, can die to an elthunder crit quite easily.
Bottom line: S tier stands for Shinon tier, no questions asked. Even RD Rolf I would consider high C, low B tier.
I never bothered with Rolf. his existence is like, My Sensei is better than me. Look how broken he is!
If we're talking about H5 Shadow Dragon Jeorge VS. Reverse Lunatic New Mystery Jeorge, New Mystery is better, in my opinion. NM Jeorge just has that incredible base bow rank and pretty decent base stats, as well as innate access to a decent weapon rank with a cavalry class in the Horseman, being in FE12 Reverse Lunatic where bows are honestly some of the best tools you have to avoid heavy damage taking, I think that this outweighs the utility he has in Shadow Dragon. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I think you already have a lot more tools in Shadow Dragon to avoid damage with effective weaponry than simply ranged weapons in FE12. That game definitely gives you a bit less effective weapons, from my memory at the very least.
The Shura dilemma is pretty weird. Because having the extra move is crucial for low-turn clears of some of the worst chapters (ch. 22 and 23 are both a really big deal where you need the +1 and a mov pair up to get a unit to the seize point in time). That being said, he is still an exceptionally good unit even in Conquest. His bases are phenomenal, especially speed (which is at a premium in CQ). IIRC he can reach the double/not get doubled threshold for ninjas/master ninjas in ch. 17 immediately after his join chapter which is super useful, especially on a bow unit with free WTA. He also gets access to the ninja reclass line which is super nice because he's the only CQ character with natural access to ninja that has both good offensive stats (no speed on Laslow) and acceptable mixed bulk (no defense on Kaze), and it goes without saying that ninjas are the best unmounted classline in Fates because they have the best 1-2 range options. His main disadvantage as a combat unit is actually something you accidentally touched on when discussing him in that he doesn't get supports with anyone other than Corrin (and Kana I guess, if you bang him) which limits the amount of free stats he can give/get through guard stance. Even still, he's probably at least a top 10 or maybe even top 8 unit in CQ performance wise. It's just that if you're playing efficiently you will always be taking the boots; even outside of a strictly LTC context, being able to bum rush 22/23 is super nice (playing those chapters legit suuuuuucks) and can be done with a pretty wide array of sufficiently invested 8 move fliers, so many players will have access to those clears. So...yeah. B tier? Maybe? I don't really know either tbh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
One note on FE1 and FE3 Jeorge - that game LOVES its enemy snipers through walls, especially in FE1/FE3B1. 1-2 range options are incredibly limited, so a good sniper can really help in taking those on. THAT SAID, I don't know if that moves FE3 Jeorge up to B-tier, because Jeorge has low enough HP that he tends to get 1-shot by a crit, and enemy snipers have high enough Skill and silver bows, so you will almost always be facing crit chance if you try to take them on. Not that getting 1-shot by FE3 snipers is unique to Jeorge, but it does limit his ability to take them on in enemy phase.
*_Hot Take:_*_ Bow users aren't responsible for carrying the player._
Well, except Takumi
Actually, in my FE6 playthrough they did.
Too many wyvern riders I guess ?
I'd say Shura is A-tier in RV, Low-B-tier in CQ and low-C-tier in BR.
He can also use staves though, and with how many different staves Fates has, that's some good utility if you need it.
Background playlist?
I feel like I would put RD Shinon below Shamir instead of in C tier. His best is better than all of the units above him, except maybe Shamir, and his worst is still better than the worst of the B tier. Also, Shinon gets a 1-3 range option in endgame part 1, and he exceeds that highly erotic speed doubling threshold. Like he starts out 5*, and then he finds his way back to 5* if you keep using him.
Mekkah, you left out that Louise is very effective at killing Luna Druids. With the A Support, she'll have 23 Crit Avoid and 57 avoid at base.
That is true! Though I hear Pent is less effective at dealing with Druids. :))))))
@@Mekkkah But only if they carry Luna. :D
Also if there's exactly two of them.
Louise in D rank... Sad Mangs noises.
I would say Shamir also really wants to go back to brigand for death blow, effective +12 with hunters volley is way too good to pass up.
Still A rank, but I think having to go back for it hurts a bit.
Does Sniper Noir count? Or she not included since doesnt start as one?
kids are hard to rate
Shinon is insane in endgame. 1 - 3 range, 22 +3 Mt bow and can run down the double bow's uses all he wants until it gets blessed. He is a great user of Bexp to boost his Str (and Def) since he caps a lot of stats as a Sniper. Hit support should fix his accuracy issue at 3 range (and 1 range) but generally it's good enough anyway unless it's against a boss.
Non-Jagen Paladins could be a fun one if you didn't do it already. Sirius and Perceval will probably run a train on the competition.
FE4/5 might make things complicated with all their different mounted classes, but I think it'd be worth including some of the knockoff Paladin classes, like Dussel's Great Knight.
Huh best Waifu happens to be the best Sniper, noice :3. I Would love to see a tier list with Dragon/Beast
Villager tier list would be neet to see. Most of them are weak at first so I wonder what you think of them
Recruiting Rachel is a pain. Her dad Frederick can survive some turns, but she's practically dead unless someone's already there to recruit her the moment she shows up. I heard somewhere that this was done on purpose, some kind of "you can't recruit everyone" troll emblem or something. And even if you defy this and recruit her, all you get for your trouble is an average sniper with an S-rank bow; a bow that only she will probably use as all your other archers are probably on the bench.
Hello it is I, the world's only Tomas stan (I started it ironically and now I'm in too deep, help)
I used FE12 Tomas precisely once, and it was in a 'randomizer' where I just randomly rolled reclasses for every unit and Tomas rolled Paladin when I only really had one Paladin who was actually good and that I was actually using (Ryan, another archer, funnily enough) and I had a ton of money saved up bc I'd been stingy with it so I just drill grounded him a bunch and made him a really nice forge and he ended up pretty good in his own right after a couple chapters of catchup so yeah if the viability of every unit you have is up to the whims of the RNG and he happens to get lucky then he's pretty decent
I always forget that Faval was a bowfighter not a sniper. I even asked myself at the start vwhere's fava?l!" Before being like "oh on the archer list"
I literally have the same problem
Mid/Late game Paladin type class tier list?
I used Innes the entire game after I recruited him on hard mode and he was actually good so I would put him at at least c
How about a General tier list, like Xavier, Douglass, and for memes Amelia.
Way to make a 47 minute video out of 12 minutes worth of content. Love you anyways.
As a router he may not be the best, but Shinon in RD is an A tier at the very least. Its very easy to get him to 3rd tier, and consistently caps most offensive stats relatively early into part 4. He also gets the Double Bow in Endgame and +1 range as a marksman, making him both more solid on enemy phase and a safe option against the dragons/Dheginsia
Ha the Sniper list. Shura surely will be ranked... *Surprised Pikachu face*
I totally agree with Shamir btw. She has everything she needs to get into Bow Knight by training riding only which I was going for in my first playthrough. Now after completing the game two times of course flier is the best option with additional skill hunting of her other classes. Three Houses Prepromotes really are awesome.
Radiant Dawn Shinon and Conquest Shura both deserve A tier.
They are better than all those units you placed in B tier.
Do a Troubadour/Valkyrie tier list!
what game is played in the background?
@@Meku-cq6hh wow, thanks ^^
I'm surprised Rachel doesn't have her own tier of awfulness. No enemy phase? Pitifully low bases for the time you get her at? Might actually die before you get to her? Her combat being bad even under ideal circumstances? No availability? She felt like she was added to TLP literally last second and it really shows in her kit.
Wow I got a cod add with faze using sniper rifle before this video
Eirika Innes>Louise
Longbow in Shadow Dragon is secret shop only. Its stats suck even more than usual though iirc.
You should do an obnoxious recruitment tier list. Xavier vs pelleas vs karla etc
the funny thing is that the archetype of obnoxious recruitments is called the lorenz archetype (named after general lorenz of archanea), but he wasn't actually that difficult to recruit. all he needed was caeda (or marth in the ds version of shadow dragon) talking some sense into him. i think the difficult part with lorenz is the fact that he shows up in the same chapter as camus, who looks and acts like he should be recruitable but isn't because he's blindly obedient to his worthless doormat of a king, while lorenz seems like a generic enemy general at first, so it's an interesting subversion of expectations. (also, in FE1, he can only be recruited by caeda, but he's surrounded by ballisticians that will nuke her if given the chance. they don't have 3-10 range in the famicom version and are basically just archers but worse, but their ballistae are still powerful and have triple might against fliers, and caeda has the bulk of wet tissue paper, so recruiting him without losing caeda is pretty risky, unlike in FE11 where he stands motionless on the seize point, having swapped places with camus, and can be safely reached by marth or caeda if they go around the west side of the mountain.)
Shamir being so good is also because Sniper in 3Houses is so good. Despite being an advanced, it generally outshines master classes (yes all of them, Hunter's Volley is just that good).
Also.
Go in for the kill.
Go in for the kill.
Go in for the kill.
Go in for the kill.
She's a crit machine in every single play through.
FE1 George is a perfect candidate for the Parthia because he requires the least to invest in. Once he gets the weapon levels for it, he’s good to go. As for other potential wielders, Thomas is probably the next closest with a base of 9 and the same 50% growth as George. He just joins a few chapters later and is 1 point behind George in weapon rank.
Sedgar’s probably not getting it with a base of 3 and a 30% growth. Castor could fare a little better due to an earlier join time and a higher base of 6, but he’s got an even worse growth of 20% in weapon level. Gordon has a chance of being able to use it, but that requires training and using him. Base 5 level with a 50% growth, so it could be feasible. Wolf seems like he could do it: fairly early join time, rank 6 in weapon level, but has a MASSIVE 60% growth!!!! (Hoo boy).
The problem of training up another Parthia user comes from training up another bow user to get the weapon level for it. It’s not a guaranteed thing to level up weapon rank so unless you’ve been training up another unit or you’re a fan of FE1 Thomas, then George is probably the way to go. Plus you can use the Parthia to give him resistance to make him a MAGEKILLER (or use a barrier or pure water on literally any ranged attacker or physical attacker. It’s not about killing a mage more than it is to not get doubled by them)
tl;dr FE1 George is okay, but he’s more okay than the rest of the bow users at using Parthia. Good video.
ok heres a good one: bandit tier list
you did christmas cavaliers how about just doing all horsies? and then exlcude FE4 and FE5 and then add them in a seperate video
Shura has to be A tier below Shamir, he has awesome pair up stat bonuses, he has access to variety of amazing bows in Fates like Hunter’s Bow, Shining Bow for utilising his good magic, and he comes with the ability to use Mend at base and a crazy high base speed stat.
Also Dual Yumi
R we gonna get part two of the byleth maddening solo run?
Tweeted about it yesterday, it's almost done!
@@Mekkkah thank you, looking forward to it!
Let's get that early-game fighter tier list. Wanna see you rank my main man Nolan.
I think Bow Knight or Wyvern Knight/Lord are still Shamir's best classes (and she gets to Bowknight very easily) on hard mode. Hard mode is still mostly enemy phase, except for map objectives that let you warp/stride/dance skip, in which case Shamir isn't doing anything anyways. On Maddening, I agree that Sniper for Hunter's Volley is better, since the game is mostly done on player phase as very few units can survive more than one enemy at a time. Shamir has amazing utility pre time-skip, Catherine and her can largely take care of the game by themselves. Unlike Catherine, she does fall off post-timeskip but Hunter's Volley keeps her relevant.
hey, why isn't takumi here? i assume it's because you haven't played birthright, so you'd only be able to rate him based on revelation.
I definitely agree on Shamir being the best sniper in the series, and this goes even beyond the fact that we talk about the "sandbox" game in which every character can become good, like Three Houses. Usually stats like Skill (or Dex) and Luck are considered pretty unimportant, but they are exactly what makes Shamir just absurdly good at killing enemies. Her crit rate is absolutely bonkers, and provided with a good battalion (Fraldarius soldiers, preferably) and several other perks she easily gets to 90-100% crit rates and just OHKOs pretty much every enemy, except some fat Fortress Knights. Those she just needs to double.
Obviously, the good argument here is "well, give all those skills to any other unit, and they'll be just as good", but if you look at Shamir's competition, nobody really is there to compete. Bernadetta struggles with all of her offensive stats and is just plain pathetic without her personal skill being activated, Ashe is very mediocre and excels at being a Wyvern Rider, which fixes his weak growths, Ignatz in general is pretty much the worst unit among the students. I even tried out Felix as a Sniper/Bow Knight, and even he wasn't as good offensively, despite having a mount, a bigger range and slightly higher Speed. The only real competition Shamir has is Leonie, but again, while being exceptionally good, Leonie isn't always guaranteed to kill an enemy.
So in conclusion, Shamir is one of those units that takes the least amount of effort or/and investment to be good. She is good from the start. High bases, high weapon ranks, reliable growths is Strength and Speed and incredibly high ones in Dex and Luck turn her into a unit capable of taking down enemies from a distance in one clean hit. Which her whole personality just revolves around.
Anyway, sorry for this rant. If it wasn't obvious, I just love Shamir and may just be a little biased towards her lol
To be fair in FE6 skill is actially a very important stat.
what's the background music at the start?
The entire music for this video is from Pokémon Lofi Music ~ 1 Hour Mix by GlitchxCity, but the specific song at the very beginning is Pallet Town (Lo-Fi Remix) by Footnote. Hope this helped.
@@sugoidude7823 haha i knew it sounded familiar, cheers
what does player phase game and enemy phase game mean? i feel like i've been hearing it a lot lately. Maybe make a vid on it? I'd definitely watch that lol
To really simplify it games with weak enemies are enemy phase and games with strong enemies are player phase. If enemies don't do much damage and get one rounded by your unit, you can throw that unit into crowds and have a bunch of units run in and kill themselves during their own phase. If enemies do heavy damage preventing you from taking several attacks in a row, or if they're bulky enough to survive a round of combat you won't kill as many during enemy phase and thus will have more enemies to attack during your own phase.
Player phase games are games where the player is encouraged to initiate combat with enemy. Enemy phase games are games where the player is encouraged to let the enemy initiate combat. Player phase games typically have stronger enemies which your units will have difficulty surviving hits from. Conquest and 3 houses also implement skills that make allowing the enemy to initiate disadvantages. Enemy phase games are like path of radiance and genealogy where you throw your units at the enemy and readily allow your units to see multiple rounds of combat during the enemy phase
strong enemies is player phase vs weak enemies is enemy phase. that's it.
FE Conquest is a player phase game.
FE6 is a player phase game.
FE7 and FE8 are enemy phase games.
Technically speaking Shura is not a Sniper but an Adventurer a weird class that can use bows and staves, so really he is more usefull than more people think especially because he can win expierience outside of combat and fates staf exp is higher than other FE games.
Or you can reclass him as a ninja and it works to
Fighter Bros next. PaR and RD got hawk bros instead
Three house tier list?
Shinon not good throughout part 3 & 4? Hmm...
First of all, as you noted, his stats are good enough that he'll be able to kill enemies without much trouble so long as he gets a decent amount of EXP. No issues there. But does he really get left behind by the maps?
3-P: If you care about BEXP, having him man one of the ballistas can actually be really valuable, as he can pick up key kills against enemy mages to help the laguz survive, though he typically does need to crit (with decent odds). Otherwise, a lot of the Greil mercs can't one-round, so Shinon is definitely making a difference.
3-1: Shinon can attack across the wall much more effectively than the rest of your army, especially valuable in a rout, particularly if you care about turn count.
3-2: This chapter is mostly a Haar party, but Shinon still performs about as well as anyone that isn't Haar.
3-3: Lots of fences and tight spaces, so Shinon's strong 2 range combat is very valuable here.
3-4: You're going uphill, and Shinon is accurate enough to clear letges so you can go upletge. The Paladins can't even access the latter half of the map.
3-5: Defense chapter with a fort and letges. The value of a Sniper here should be pretty obvious. Leave the ballistas to Rolf.
3-7: Nothing you do here matters, but at least he can cross the water, unlike the Paladins. Good opportunity to train him, and anyone else you're using.
3-8: An indoor map, which limits Haar's mobility. Haar can solo the map, but it's faster to let him solo half or so while the rest of your army takes the other half, and Shinon can do some work there.
3-10: Another Haar party, but again it's faster if Haar isn't expected to solo the whole map, and again, Shinon puts in work in the part that Haar isn't soloing. Although by this point, an Ike/Mia team might be capable of taking the other half without caring about Shinon's contributions.
3-11: Bridge map with sandbags and pitfalls. Mostly you want fliers, and if you have enough of them, there's an argument that you don't even deploy Shinon here. You get Ike, Ranulf, Sigrun, Tanith force-deployed, and you'll probably want to take Haar, Reyson, Janaff, Ulki, and Marcia, leaving just 3 units slots, two of which will probably be occupied by Mia and a healer. If you brought Jill over from the Greil mercs, that probably sends Shinon to the bench. Though I'm sure not everyone trains Marcia or uses both Janaff and Ulki. Still, if you do bring Shinon, he can attack enemies across the sandbags and pitfalls, although sometimes there are pitfalls in front of the sandbags, so that's something to watch out for.
3-E: Similar to 3-10, Shinon probably isn't making a huge impact here.
So for part 3, I think you're not too far off, but I think you underestimated how long Shinon stays highly relevant. It's not just the first 3-4 chapters, it's the first 6, and in the 7th chapter there's no reason not to train him. There are really only 4 chapters where Shinon isn't making an impact.
Part 4 is trickier because you have to choose where to send him, so he really only needs to be good in one or two maps to be good in all of Part 4.
4-P & 4-3: I wouldn't send Shinon into the desert, let the fliers handle that.
4-1 & 4-4: This would be my choice. 4-1 lets him utilize the sandbags while the enemy phase units advance to the south. 4-4 is another map where Shinon can help kill enemies upletge, and can kill enemies downletge on the right side. As an indoor map, mounted units are penalized (plus most or all of your fliers are probably in the desert). There are also pretty tight corridors that make Shinon's 2 range more valuable. That being said, with Ragnell, Ike can do everything Shinon can do better, and a whole lot more besides. Still, Ike can't be everywhere at once.
4-2 & 4-5: There are some dense thickets in 4-2 that Shinon can help clear a path through. 4-5 is a Tibarn party.
I think Shinon is doing work in Part 4, but even if you don't that still gives him 6 good chapters and 6 mediocre chapters (and 1 lolchapter) before endgame, at which point he becomes legitimately amazing. That's at least B tier, maybe low A tier, imo. Think about how many units in Radiant Dawn are actually better than that - it's not too many.
why isn't jeorge in s tier I thought he was a 5 star unit
Nice one
My guy, if you give shinnon the daunt skill in radiant dawn, he is invincible in lvl 20
Tomas actually can’t even kill the dracos in his joining chapter on lunatic, so he’s outclassed by jeorge and macellan, who can kill them at base with the parthia as snipers
He still can chip them Enough lol
Snipers are either blonde, have green hair, or are Shamir or Shinon
Manaketes next please!
Shamir as best sniper in the series. Based tier list.
Before starting Shinon better be an S tier in Radiant Dawn. Guy will never die. Holy shit you have never really used Shinon huh? That guy can tank everything and you can really put him front lines with a crossbow to weaken everything and he saves your weak units with Provoke. S tier for sure. Only problem is the time when you get the double bow. He gets 2 Silencers in the game and just give him the "killer" version of the crossbow and any other unique high mt crossbow.
1. Why would you buy the silencer, just forge a steel bow. A fully forged steel bow has one less might but cost 2625g instead of 8000g.
2. Taksh(30mt, 10crt) is avalible in 3-12 (dawn brigade chapter), aqqar(34mt) is in 3-11(boss drop), arbalest(38mt 15crit) is in 4-4. Realistically in part 3 you are only going to have the crossbow until 3-e of which the aqqar is not the killer version. You only get the arbalest for about half a chapter before the double bow shows up.
The problem with the crossbow in general though is the might. 28 atk for the standard crossbow is less than the base atk all of the greil mercs except mist.
How about a Valentian mages tier list, including Conrad and the villager mages?
I liked Shura, he was an amazing ballistatician.