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- Fire Emblem games almost always have a trio of pegasus knights, but which ones of them are good, and which are not? Find out in this tier list video. There are so many of these that I'm splitting them up into two videos, so if there's any that I ended up forgetting let me know and I'll include them in part 2!
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is this a pokemon reference?
@@lugero7579 Yeah it's the Pokemon Fan Club guy from RBY
ayy pokemon fanclub prez reference lol
also obviously Palla is the best
Can I have my Elysian Whip voucher now?
Count me in.
"Is there such a thing as a bad pegasus?"
My endgame Clair with 12 ATK: 🗿
You don't need to watch the video to know that FE12 Palla is on S tier.
tfw you forgot FE12 RR Est :(
Also ST!Caeda
Birthright Subaki is entirely outclassed by Hinoka who joins a chapter later with significantly better bases and better growths. I tried them longterm - as lvl 10 Falcon Knights promoted at level 20 they had same hp, Subaki was leading in skill and defense (about 6 points), while Hinoka had same lead in strength, luck and absolute chasm of a lead in speed and res (about 15 points). In terms of utility... it's Birthright - map design is only slightly ahead of Gaiden. I can think of only 2 chapters (12 and 21) where fliers have anything at all to do.
Birthright Hinoka is a well stated unit with great long term potential - high A/low S tier, not quite as strong as Camilla, but she's not far behind. Subaki maybe mid C tier (so almost right).
Rev Subaki is a completely different story. Of course he's weak, but so is every unpromoted unit in Rev not named Silas and he joins early enough that you can train him into something worthwhile. He's not going to sweep enemies, but he's good enough - especially if you want to recruit Saizo, Orochi and Reina in chapter 11 on turn 1 to save yourself a headache with green units, he's the only one who can make that happen at base and overall there's much more for fliers to do in Rev. I would put him low A/ high B tier.
Rev Hinoka is a strong candidate for D tier considering her bases aren't much better than in Birthright, despite joining much later at much higher level, still unpromoted. Unless you do paralogues or grind she's not leaving the bench.
23:39 It is actually written Hermina in heroes polls now (until they change their minds again). I think it's quite funny going from latin word for woman (Femina) to a different name (with no origin nor meaning consensus but female form of Herman is one I like) but still kinda of means the same thing to an English speaker. I can just assume for heroes whoever was assigned to naming duty thought fem was a bit lewd and found a good escape clause.
Loving these tierlists as ever, Mekkah!
"If her dad was Claude, then she [Fee] is probably at her worst." - Have to disagree with this one. Having Claude as her father means Fee will get access to B-rank staves, such as Recover, Physic, and Restore, upon promotion. Moreover, her boosted magic stat lets her do serious work with the Light Brand, or other magical swords. And while her attack stat hurts, I still found her one-rounding high-HP low-defense enemies (like Dark Mages) with the Brave Lance (which she should probably have from her time of joining). The biggest boon, though, is her high Resistance stat (base of 9, growth of 35%, +5 upon promotion). This makes her immune to most enemy status staves, while taking little damage from siege tomes. I found her invaluable on the Endgame map due to this; Fee could safely take out the squads of Fenrir/Sleep/Silence Dark Mages just chilling out in the mountains, some of whom were inaccessible to my grounded units. I would consider Claude!Fee a solid B-tier unit.
As for the Fates units, I definitely wouldn't call Subaki trash. He has weirdly low speed, and not the best strength, but it's balanced out by surprisingly high defenses. Plus, he's got flying mobility, which he can use to help other units get around through the Pair Up system. I do think C-tier is fair, considering the competition, but I'd make him a high C. Hinoka is debatably A-rank on Birthright, where she joins early, but her late jointime on Revelation definitely hurts her. Ironically, Reina works better as the "earlygame Pegasus" when it comes to Rev. Hinoka, though, I would call a B-rank on Rev; she still has flying mobility, good-enough-stats, and ability to Dragon's Vein.
Just my thoughts, thanks for reading!
I agree with your comment about Fee since it´s impossible to have a bad Fee. Reina is more of an early game prepromote so in rev don´t think she qualifies for this one. Conquest is the only Fates route i played but i´ve heard the pegasus knights are pretty bad at combat but still flying + rally and possibly staffs might grant them enough utility outside of that
Subaki's flying utility and bulk are useful in REV until you get other better flyers like Berula or Camilla. He just gets outclassed pretty quickly sadly.
In BR he's a lot worse. Almost every BR is route and the way maps are designed means that flying utility isn't as useful as it is in something like FE6. He also doesn't start off with very good combat and because BR gives you most of the army in the earlygame he just gets benched usually. After promotion he can preform nicely, but almost anyone can in BR.
What's actually important is that Mekkah likes Xenoblade music
Aight took me a second but "Gradivoo" slayed me
Does constance from 3 houses not count? A dark flier is a form of Pegasus knight and she literally starts as one in cindered shadows.
Shana or Thany whatever you call her is pretty bad in the fighting department. She can easily go 10 levels and not get any strength. Her sisters are so much better at fighting. But of course for chip damage in the beginning and being able to rescue is nice.
Constance doesn't count?
Literally anyone is garbage in Lunatic mode of Awakening except for Robin basically.
Nowi is solid. Chrom, Miriel, and Sumia are salvageable. Lissa and Maribelle are invaluable. Fred is extremely helpful early on. A few DLC characters are good.
Lunatic is rough, but some units can contribute. Robin is best though.
I dont know why there is Xenoblade music but I absolutely approve it!
I remember him saying he's never played the games but really likes the music in a recent stream so that's probably why :)
I know push for him to play xenoblade de when it comes out. (Push in a nice way do not go "play this game or I will unsub"
Xenoblade 2 has my all time favourite soundtrack, so this is a great if you ask me.
Honestly, watching Mekkah try to play through XC would be great. I mean, in that game, dodge-tanking is a reliable strategy
You're all about the XC hype but I distinctly hear dem sweet XenoX tune
Just noticed how tiny Florina's potrait is lol
So cute!
don't lewd the pagasus loli :)
Also
FIORAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
(Geddit because Xenoblade music haha)
@@ChoiceSnarf
No
@@ggamer3023
I fell in love at first sight when I saw Florina though.
I love how the 2 Elincias and Sigrun look like an evolution chain XD
Princess Elician evolve to Queen Elician! Evolve to ... Sigrun?
Elincia (Normal/Flying)
_level 23->_
Queen Elincia (Grass/Flying)
_dawn stone->_
Sigrun (Fairy/Flying)
Lv: 7 / Lv: 24 / Lv: 69
Play BURNING SIGIL today!
Subaki was invited to girl pajama party
He’s the kinda guy to pretend to be gay to end up at the sleepover
"Perfect!"
I am kinda sad that they gender locked riding flying horses again after opening it up.
@@Robin_Robout Yeah. Something I liked about Fates is how customizable everything is, even with certain characters having access to classes that were usually restricted by gender such as Fighter and Troubadour.
@@Robin_Robout that’s what makes Subaki one of the more memorable characters for me though. People crap on fates but it was unique in some great ways
looks like you forgot shigure from fates. constance from 3 houses could also count since she joins as a dark flier, but excluding her is understandable if you haven't played cindered shadows
Yeah if Cynthia counts so should Shigure.
Caelidori or whatever too
You can technically get Shigure as early as chapter 6-7 in birthright and revelation while in those games you can get caeldori early as the chapter after Sabaki joins
@@xoidbergskywalker9139 do you mean anagram Cordelia lol
Constance doesn’t have a proficiency in Lance
“Is there such a thing as a bad pegasus?” As someone who always had bad luck with pegasus knight growths... Yes.
Syrene
I don't care if I end up disagreeing with you (though I probably won't), I shall like this video for the Xenoblade music, and leave a comment to please the algorithm.
We live in a Whitewing world, and Palla is our god
Marcia: joins early (chapter 9 path of radiance)
Cordelia joins mid/late (chapter 7 awakening)
Flawless logic
I suppose it's because Cordelia joins after Sumia.
@@PeevedLatias And Fiora joins after Florina, yet both are "early game".
@@Omojuze41 and let alone Fiora is actually mid-game
@@Omojuze41 i think the mid game line in fe 7 is exactly when you enter bern most exactly the chapter called the attack of the four fangs
*Reads Title*
I'd ESTimate that there will be at least a few bad ones
*see's description*
Well nvm....
Caeda > Palla?
Unsubbed.
You're missing Shigure, but seeing how much you know about fates you probably don't need to put him on...
At least he's available for the next video, so there's still a chance to correct this!
I've never ended up using shigure in any playthrough of all 3 fates games is he any good
@@liyoung03 honestly I have no idea I never use him either lol. He's probably decent though being a child unit
@@OnlineVideoSurfer lets hope Mekkah sees this 🙏
@@liyoung03 he is pretty good, personally i used him as a combat healer and he did a pretty good job
"If her dad is Claude, she's going to be at her worst."
Mekkkah, as the prophet of the Claude!Fee church, you wound me. Do you know the benefits of a Claude!Fee? She gets holy blood. Holy blood! This means instead of the pitiful C rank staffs that Fee normally gets on promotion, only letting her use Heal and Mend, she can now use every staff in the freaking game! (Aside from her brother's Valkyria.) This means you can have a flier with Physic, or Fortify, or Ward, or whatever you need! Sure, her combat will be less than stellar, but the sheer utility you get from having a staff flier is too much for me to sit down and let you write her off as this being her "worst incarnation."
She can't use Rescue or Fortify. But Restore/Recover/Physic are very nice things for her to have, and the high resistance makes her ignore all the status staffs in the last two chapters. She's a bit shaky early on (though still fine because inheritance can fix most of her issues) but I'd say Claude!Fee is outright her best incarnation for chapter 10/Final. She still kills dark mages easily and has solid combat against most other units, but also brings very good staff utility (she's the best Restore user in the game due to having more move than anyone else except for Leif, whose resistance can get him put to sleep) with no fear of status staffs or non-boss magic attackers.
I thought the holy blood made it so it was boosted up to A rank. Was I wrong?
@@greenstat1c Minor holy blood only boosts rank by one, so since Falcon Knight has C staffs normally she ends up at B.
Aah, okay. Even still, Claude!Fee is still far from her "worst appearance". That would have to go to, like, Arden
@@greenstat1c Arguable, since Arden gives her higher str/def than Claude, so that Fee is better at 1-range combat. It's not like she needs the speed to double. Claude!Fee isn't really bad though considering how good it makes her magic, and sometimes the use of Physic is nice.
I used Ingrid in my SIlver Snow maddening route, and she was one of the only viable units by the end thanks to her massive speed growths.
I strongly agree, without Ingrid and her insane dodges, I wouldn't have defeated Edelgard and later Nemesis on the Golden Deer route. She was one of the best units in that maddening run.
@@LadyIno I'm more a Petra fan but Ingrid is pretty dang good too.
"Uuuuhhhhh where is E-"
*checks description*
"Oh."
What did it used to say?
Reuben from Stitch Est
Mekkah: says Shanna is top 3 in Normal mode and top 8 in hard mode in pitfalls VI
Also Mekkah: "Shanna is B tier"
Wat
That game has by far the weakest cast lol.
Like he said in this video: Shanna is underwhelming sometimes.
That video is also really old and like I explain, my opinion got a little worse. But yeah also gaps between units in that game are huge. Top 8 leaves room for Rutger, Perceval, Milady, dancer, Alance and then some. Some of these are not S tier.
@@Mekkkah I wouldn't really call lance better than Shanna nor do I honestly see her being worse than Florina
@@Mekkkah Allan/Lance are not better than Shanna at all. The possibilities they lack compare to her because of terrain are massive, and they are not OP combat units either, just very nice.
Real comment time and not Pokemon copypasta:
- I usually recommend forging FE11 Caeda's first Wing Spear to +6 MT because this lets her OHKO armor knights. She only needs +4 MT for cavaliers and horsemen.
- Karin can flier cheese escape maps like chapter 9 and chapter 13 because she can give Leif to someone and then dismount to become rescuable herself. Worth pointing out.
- I don't really see how Fiora can be placed above Florina. Non-LM Florina can catch up to Fiora's base stats by the time she joins, but she also has 4 and a half chapters of availability in which she does a lot of flier / mount utility work. So non-LM Florina would be almost strictly better than Fiora, and LM Florina would blow Fiora out of the water.
I feel like Vanessa is too high in A tier? I know that for LTC especially, she has problems with gaining levels reliably while Seth is plowing through the game and often won't be ready to promote when you need her to, with another problem being how costly the Elysian Whip is to get. And by the time that Cormag joins with another Elysian Whip, he is just better. Basically it seems that she has the same problems as Shanna and Florina. In casual efficiency, these can be worked around because you wouldn't factor in the turn costs of getting items, but if you're going at this slower pace, then Florina should have plenty of opportunities to catch up and perform similarly in the context of her own game.
I think you’re understating Non-LM Florina’s stat problems in relationship to Fiora. Despite FE7’s reputation for low enemy stats, 9 speed on a lance unit with low con is extremely mediocre, and in combination with her low base strength makes her combat extremely bad. She’s liable to get doubled by fast enemies if she equips an iron lance while often being unable to double even Weighed down Pegasus knights, and has awful power when using the slim lance (same as base Rebecca), which rarely even lets her double since many enemy types typically don’t go below 7 speed for a while (Cavs, Nomads, mages), which would be out of range even with a level up. Hector hard mode’s exp penalties also hurt her more than most because she has an awful enemy phase and struggles to get kills the most of your units outside of Rebecca. Meanwhile Fiora has a notably easier time getting leveled because she can actually double most enemies in her join map with a slim lance, she has a decent hard hitting option that she can use and not put herself in extreme danger in the axereaver, and joins before a very good map for leveling units (19x). While she shares many of the problems Florina has, it should be noted that she is significantly faster compared to Florina, with +4/5 AS depending on the weapon used when comparing the two at base, which is a massive gap (7/9 level ups on average), especially since Fiora still isn’t as fast as would be ideal for certain situations (she would like +1 speed/promotion for more consistent doubling with better weapons in the upcoming chapters). This annoyance for Fiora is a significant source of problems for Florina, who wouldn’t consistently double in Fiora’s join chapter trained with a slim lance (about 70% chance of 11+ speed at level 7 trained which isn’t awful, but not consistent, especially since nomads often have 8 speed). Also to be considered is utilizing Florina’s flyer utility often hurts her exp gain as well, since the more you utilize it, the less kills she can get. The amount of bias or luck need for her to be better or even equal to Fiora is massive, since her speed is practically guaranteed to be notably worse, and as stated before, Fiora still doesn’t hit a fair few thresholds at base. Tl;dr - I think that Fiora is a lot better than LM Florina because LM Florina has trash combat for a long time.
@@carpediem6841 We have to set some ground rules for what kind of playstyle we're talking about, because how Florina and Fiora play out greatly depends on whether you're going super fast or taking a bit more time.
If you're going the full LTC route (minus rigging), then Florina and Fiora are both going to be pretty bad combat-wise. You want a falcoknight for chapter 21 and possibly even earlier, which forces you to early promote a pegasus knight and they will be pretty bad for the rest of the game. In that case it is basically a strict comparison of flier utility, where Florina wins by being able to do stuff for a full 5 chapters more than Fiora (because Fiora joins at the tail end of chapter 19). Some of this is pretty important, like dropping Marcus across the cliff in chapter 16. Despite Florina's bad bases, you can grind her the 5 or so levels that she needs to catch up to Fiora's bases in this LTC context, at which point they are functionally similar. So in this case, Florina > Fiora due to availability.
If you're going a casual efficiency approach where you can take a few more turns per map, then Florina can potentially gain a lot more EXP. If she can catch up to Fiora in LTC, then she will surpass Fiora's bases in this casual efficiency context, while still having the availability lead. So in this case, Florina > Fiora due to availability and stats.
I suppose we can disagree about whether this is or isn't undue "favoritism," since your point seems to be that Florina is so bad at fighting that it's extremely hard to do even the basic task of setting up kills for her and funneling EXP into her that way - which I don't really agree with. Nearly all of the pegasus knights on this tier list below S tier (plus Marcia) demand lots of favoritism to perform well enough to deserve their high placements on the tier list.
dondon151 I’m more speaking to casual efficiency rather than LTC, which I’m less familiar with, and I’m sure gives Florina the upper hand. I don’t necessarily think it’s extremely hard to set up kills for Florina, I just think that you have to do it an excessive amount for a unit like Florina, without a very notable payoff since she’ll end up very similar to Fiora, if not a bit worse. I’m not sure what exact level you’re thinking for Florina, but it seems to be rather high if she has stat leads on Fiora (I.e. level 10+), which doesn’t seem possible to me without sending her to 17x and feeding her high level pirates or taking an excessive amount of time on ch 18 to feed her kills. I tend to lean more on the casual efficiency side of things when I play, but I don’t typically spend more than 3 or 4 turns on pirate ship, and dislike using her in 17x if I’m baiting the pirates due to reliability issues with the pirates. Like I said, I’m not sure what exactly the level estimates are for Florina for a given chapter, but it comes off as very high, because Florina needs to beat Fiora in level by a good amount to have any lead in speed or a notable lead in strength. As far as the favoritism thing goes, while I do think some level of favoritism can be extended to Florina, since she has an extremely good class, I find the favoritism needed to get her actual combat up to a passable level very tedious compared to most other units, both on this list, and in general. I suppose my main point of disagreement would be how high of a level she would be, so I’ll end it by asking how high of a level should Florina be in your mind in the maps between her join map and 19.
@@carpediem6841 ruadath had her at L7.67 going into chapter 19. This was in an LTC context, so some rigging was involved, but he also completely skipped chapter 17x. So I'd say those two cancel out approximately, and then when you factor in the slower pace of casual efficiency, level 9-10 seems pretty reasonable. Honestly it could be higher if you wanted to apply extreme favoritism.
dondon151 Well, I suppose that if you bring her to 17x, she’ll be able to reach higher level, but I’m not sure how reasonable getting 2 to 3 extra levels would be without camping out ch 18, or giving her some excessive levels in 16/17x. Then we get into to the problem of her stats at 8/maybe 9, not exactly being better than Fiora. Like I stated in my first response, Florina is notably slower than Fiora, who has some speed issues, and Florina’s speed is notably worse, with a lower average and lower reliability to gain that average. Her strength is slightly better than Fiora at level 9 on average, but it’s hardly a guarantee, and they have very similar growths. I’ll leave it at this - I have a disagreement with saying a unit who needs to be excessively babied for a bad strength/speed trade off with another unit is better than that unit. Even with the extra maps, that has to considered with the excessive babying and worse combat for a decent amount of maps after both join
That's a lot of green hair
NinjaCell an blue
Palla is so broken that her genes contaminated the pool.
Nice, Xenoblade music!
I still haven't used Florina in any playthrough.
I would've put Fiora in the mid/late section, but that's me.
Fiora's great. I find that later on, Farina and Heath overtake her (except in speed), but she's still great.
yeah fiora is closer to the end of the game
@ZXKW you should try using Florina she starts frail but she'll be worth training.
Caeldori from Fates is missing in the late/mid tier
Shigure, too
It's a Fates kid? Wouldn't that be really hard to judge since there's no join time and all the variable parents?
Bartholomew Peter he put in cynthia though despite her being an awakening child unit
Same could probably be said for Cynthia (and to a lesser extent Fee) and she’s still there
@@appelofdoom8211 Oh... well he's gonna have some trouble with that one. Fee kinda works the same regardless of her parentage though.
Subaki and Hinoka are pretty accurate. Hinoka is a royal, but she isn't completely broken and Subaki is a sky knight without a speed stat.
Yes, I too like getting hyped for Xenoblade Definitive by watching FE videos
Kinda object to Cordelia being Mid game. She joins in Chapter 7 of a 25 chapter game, that's pretty early.
If FE3 Book 2 Palla already wasn’t that game’s best unit (at least in outdoor maps), she should be in S-tier for that great portrait alone, that game in general has some pretty good ones, that and I love characters who do little poses in their portraits rather than just show their faces.
but their eyes...they are so souless lmao
She's also great indoor too!
meanwhile FE4 every character has the same hair. what the hell went wrong? at least FE5 didn't suffer that fate
huh? Cordelia joins in ch7? I would of considered her an early flier unit. A mid unit in awakening would be Olivia, Cherche and say'ri.
say'ri is... a swordmaster
@@dimitrialexandreblaiddyd8246 Yes I know. Just trying to say Cordelia comes relatively early compared to mid game characters like Olivia and Say'ri
The units you will be restarting chapters over.
I've had actually so many times where especially in fe7 my peg knights would get shot down by Batista.
At least some of them are actually really useful especially in rescue straits.
Ye Batista jacked af tbf
Batista is so jacked up that he's oneshotting a flying Pegasus Knights from far away
Man, I hate it when my Peg Knights get Spine busted by an animalistic buffed up wrestler/actor
Nerf Batista.
Wait you guys are actually using pegasus knights in fe7 i thought it was a joke
I feel that Hinoka is a bit underrated, her bases are extremelly high for her level, and her growths are stupidly good, she doesn't have a real weak stat at any point of the game.
Also Falcoknights on Fates can use staves, so you can easily rescue units or heal with their high mobility.
A fates run that i made, I directly made Hinoka spear fighter at level 10, and she became way better than Oboro, and Oboro isn't a mediocre unit.
Looking more at the tier, and where Sumia is, yeah, she should be there, but idk, just felt to point that out.
Re: Ingrid. I got around her awful durability at the start by setting heras Byleth's Adjunct so she levelled up alongside Byleth until she got to a point where she was useful. After that, she was a crucial part of a lot of maps such as remire village and any that needed switches or levers pulled.
She's so good. She really is a power house and a great utility unit. It also helps that fliers were significantly buffed, especially with that Wait/Avoid class bonus.
In the Bernadetta WAIFU, Mekkah started it with Bravely Dafault music.
Now he starts with Xenoblade 2 music.
Mekkah is a man of culture confirmed.
tbf all the music in Bernie WAIFU was thrown in there by Cyan.
This is mostly Xenoblade 1 music.
@@ChoiceSnarf There's still a good amount of 2 music, and even a little bit of X
Fliers are such a mood in a game like Fire Emblem... sometimes even more frail than your healers, but SO much utility.
Random Derp why is that a mood 😂
PoR Elincia was in the Est tierlist too
Also,are you not counting Dark Fliers as in Constance? And there’s Emma too. The DLC unit in Echoes.
I don’t think he really played the dlc for either game
Owen
I was wondering.
Yeah I'm not just not counting Dark Fliers
Mekkah
Fair.
Man I really love those two characters.
R.I.P Caeldori
I can't help but feel like someone at IS really, really liked their OC, the Whitewings.
There’s gotta be a way to do this without spending the first 20 minutes ranking 3 characters repeatedly. It’s confusing
Aside from clair's positioning i agree with pretty much all of this. I think Clair makes a strong case for D tier and a slightly weaker but still valid case for E
"Is there such a thing as a bad pegasus?"
Yes, his name is Subaki. No str, utility for one chapter in Revelations (The wind tribe one) cuz he is the only one who can fly and then he's useless.
I haven't played Revelations, I just played Birthright hard so far. I'm gonna finish conquest eventually but in BR he was... fine i guess. Honestly i spent more time just using him as someone to fill a character slot while the big boys did all the work.
His personal skill is one of the best, though.
If you give him every single resource possible with no extra stat boosts or whatever, he can solo the game with Corrin in Birthright. That doesn’t mean anything though because I was able to do it with even Hana, anyone with a Def stat can solo Birthright easily. Of course, in a normal playthrough with no babying, he’s trash.
@@birdoisunderrated1938 this is honestly the best way to put it. He's "amazing" but only if you force feed him everything and in that case nearly every character is amazing
Enemy pegasus knights in three houses must be on some kind of steroids
To help you with the Fates fliers:
• In Birthright, Hinoka is a very solid unit with good bases and good growths thanks to being a royal. She's one of the few mounted units in Hoshido, which automatically makes her viable: rescue-dropping, avoiding terrain like swamps, water, acid and deserts, gains staves as a Falcon Knight. Her personal skill gives +2 damage to all allies within 2 spaces, and she comes with the Guard Naginata, a weaker Steel Naginata without the -3 Speed and instead gives +5 Def/Res; in addition to her already solid defenses of 9 and 15, she now has 14 Def and 20 Res, making her a flying tank if need be. Nobody can use C lances yet, and the only competition are Subaki and Oboro. She comes with Darting Blow, pushing her speed to 21 when initiating. Even her base speed of 16 is only rivaled by Kaze whose damage output is lower. She's also a good candidate for the Bolt Naginata. I feel like Hinoka is better than Sumia, as while Sumia is great, she needs some babysitting and requires to be paired with Frederick or Kellam to be viable when she joins, while Hinoka is good to go immediately.
• In Revelation, she's not as amazing, as she joins much later and competes with Camilla who joins earlier and is stronger, even if slower and less accurate, but she remains solid.
• Subaki... is not great. HOWEVER, he's not useless, far from it. His combat is below average, but he makes great use of his flying advantages, in the same way as Shanna and Karin. He joins 1 chapter and 3 levels before Hinoka, but already has the same Skill, and Defense as Hinoka with 1 less point in HP and Strength. His HP & Defense growths are good and he has an amazing Skill growth. Combined with his personal skill that gives him +15 Hit/Avo when at full HP and the availability of the Guard Naginata, Subaki can become a reliable bulky flier that never misses. Sadly, his offense isn't good at all; by the halfway point, he's already started falling off a bit depending on his growths, and by the final quarter... yeah, forget using him for any offense. A solid option is to early promote him into Falcon Knight and work on his staff rank to turn him into a bulky flying healer and status inflicter. In Birthright, I'd say he's easily better than Clair, for a similar reason to Hinoka vs Sumia. He doesn't require babysit and can take hits; unlike Clair, his offense drops, but he's viable from the start and remains useful, even if said utility changes.
• Same concept for Revelation, but worse. Hinoka joins later, so he can't take advantage of the Guard Naginata she comes with, you have access to Camilla early, and the lack of Hinoka makes Reina's presence even more impactful than in BR. Use him for flying utility, then bench when Reina arrives.
Really off-topic but god I'm so hyped for Xenoblade DE lol I hope the new soundtrack will live up to the standars of the original
Im very biased as Marcia is my favorite FE character but Im glad you just barely put her in S tier lol, in PoR shes kind of insane
imo shes the best character in PoR after Titania, because she has decent str growth, high spd growth, and her def/res growths arent terrible, not to mention she has decent bases (8 str 11 spd at level 5). And you already mentioned how shes a little underleveled when she joins, but can be offset with BXP, and can use the full guard which you get almost exactly halfway in the game. Not to mention that you can also forge her a max MT weapon (or multiple) because you get so much money in Tellius. You also get her before most cavs, since we know PoR is just a cav dominant game, as the only ones you have at that point are Oscar and Titania, though you do get Kieran soon after
100% biased tho
I disagree with Clair being so low, one of your statements about other hnits needed Lance's isnt the best. Forsyth isnt that great, Lukas won't see much combat on Alms open maps, and Clive is utter garbage(at least in Echoes), you get Zeke later but that's Way later and Mathilda is the only other worthwhile unit to use. Clair is honestly no bad when it comes to Alms route
Clair is complete garbage. Trash base str, trash base HP, trash base defense, trash base level. Alm route is so full of archers Clair is not safe anywhere. Whatever isn't a bow unit kills Clair in 2 hits and Clair does 1x2 damage to it. Clive on the other hand is pretty solid, good base str, good base HP, good base def, and salvageable spd (same base spd as Clair btw). He can help all throughout Act 3 and Act 4, no rule says you can't use both Clive and Mathilda.
@@Juan-zs6jt I never said you cant use both Clive and Mathilda but Mathilda comes halfway through act 2 which is far worse then Clair coming in halfway through Act 1. Clive is alright at first hes a slightly less bulky more movable Lukas but that's his only feat. At least later on Clair gets effectiveness agasint Monsters. What you described is literally the pegasus stereotype. Which can be fixed by stat fountains and such(at least in Echoes.
@@kai_824 Clair's effectiveness against monsters means jack because you barely fight monsters in Alm's. Clair's strength is so trash she wouldn't be able to kill them. Silver Sword Kliff, mages, and Hunter's Volley are much better at killing at monsters because they are good at killing enemies period. Fountains! Clair doesn't have any claim to those. 2 Spd for Silque to get Warp, 1 Spd for Paladin Clive. 3 Magic for Silque. No early fountains left for Clair. Even if she takes them, she is not gonna kill anything. She is a pegasus stereotype that actually happens, the other earlygame pegasus knights overcome their weakenesses by being ferries or having actual base stats. Clair's base stats are total trash and she cannot ferry.
She was actually on my final team, she was better than Est, but couldn't keep up with Palla and Catria. She was good regardless though, one shotted or two shotted a couple of enemies.
Well as for Clive, I benched him as soon as I could cus he was constantly either dying, missing or not dealing enough damage (it's been a year since I played Echoes but I remember fucking TOBIN saving Clive from enemies before, Clair on the other hand had WAY more survivability because she constantly dodged or engaged monsters/mage units well
EDIT: Clive has a 1 Res :'D he is basically useless after the game picks up with Witches, Nuibaba's abode and so on.
Unrelated but Mekkah better play Xenoblade DE
"Is There Such A Thing As A Bad Pegasus"
Clair and Subaki: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
Subaki I agree with. Clair tho, nahh, shes solid
Also Xenoblade music with the tier list containing Fiora I like that.
@@vrajgandhi5371 It's ironic since Subaki thinks he's perfect but he's far from perfect.
Clair is waay better relative to her game lol.
I disagree on Subaki being bad. He joins extremely early in both routes he's avaiable in, which is extremely useful in Rev, due to him being the only flier for a while (that alone makes him a great unit in Rev).
He doesn't have the best stats of the roster, but he is in a game where there are a lot of ways to circumvent stat deficienies, such as pair up, reclasses or tonics. And even with that aspect removed, he is surprisingly tanky, which not many units in Birthright can claim. And when completely falls off stat-wise, Ryoma will handle all the combat anyway. Also, prepromoting him to Falcoknight enables all kinds of rescue-strats, due to rescue having fixed range and requiring an E rank.
I hope I made my thoughts clear.
Peg Knights pretty and good
“Clair is bad”
She’s been such a carry in Echoes for me, I adore her! I’m even planning to +10 her!
Same. Clair has come in clutch many, many times for me in Echoes
The moment you mentioned Clair I was thinking about how ridersbane carried her through the early levels but it probably would've been better on Clive, and then you said the exact same thing a minute later.
Also I did play through all of part two without Palla and Catria. It was the worst thing ever.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 music is so good I'm having a hard time concentrating on what you're saying.
Ok so I've gotten to Subaki so
Birthright Subaki is really good, but Birthright is stupid easy so it's hard to say if he's good because he's good or if he's good because the game is piss. He doubles pretty reliably, is quite tanky and is strong *enough* though he will usually need a Str tonic to ORKO on higher difficulties. People think he sucks because Hinoka joins very early and is considerably better than him, but that doesn't make Subaki himself bad.
Hinoka is basically Camilla who hasn't promoted yet, though she's in a worse class overall but it's made up for by Birthright being easier than Conquest. Very bulky, ORKOs most enemies on Hard and doubles everything. Doesn't need any investment to be amazing.
Subaki is trash in Revelations. Hinoka should be pretty decent.
For Ingrid on BL Maddening I have a habit of making her a mage now. Her MAG isn't particularly bad and she gets Thoron relatively early. Considering that Anette would rather be rallying most of the time in the early game, and can't enemy phase at all, Ingrid makes a suitable-ish mage. Though I'd also say that Sylvain does the same thing better overall, but he doesn't get Thoron and would rather invest heavily into lances anyways. But using Ingrid as an actual physical unit early on is extremely painful. Low damage, doubled pretty often? Sure that's like every in-house student on Maddening NG but still.
Subaki is bad because he has growths of 30 (+10) str, 20 (+15) spd and bases of 8 str and 10 spd.
sumia and chrom build support really fast and give each other enough speed to double even on lunatic
if you solo you can probably grab galeforce around midgame
rally speed is also really nice and requires less investment
can also reclass to great knight for Luna and defense
Sumia x Chrom is a bad pairing, Chrom doesn't give Sumia what she needs, str and def. Frederick does that, and Sumia gives Freddy speed.
Can you stream Xenoblade Chronicles on release ? It´s my fav game of all time and I would like you to experience it aswell
Gonna comment on early TRS pegasus knights
Sasha: really shitty start as princess but u need try to get her to promo before split 1 and promotion has her one mastery point away from Levin Swords which are busted on outdoor maps and dominates most of midgame especially on Runan Route. Kinda suffers lategame due to indoors where Pegasus Knights lose a lot of magic which hurts their ability to use Levins. She gets Vantage at level 8 and paragon at level 10 with adept at 15 in top of being a strong candidate for Super Proof. Draco promo can make her a little bit better if u do it late game since she is indoors. B tier
Martel: earlygame pegasus with lots of mobility, starts with 5 wpn level but has sufficient time to get to Levin which is 8 wpn level in TRS. Performs as well as Sasha roughly once she gets there but can potentially get to levins earlier and not as bad of a start compared to Sasha and gets earth saint which is a decent skill where she does a critical hit ignoring terrain bonuses. A tier
Frau: Joins map 15 on Holmes route but is a mastery potion away from using Levin Swords at base and is a strong candidate for it at that point in the game where it's like a map or two after she joins. Gets Anti-Evil at 25 which is basically Slayer and comes at a relatively convenient point in the game (late split 2 to split 3) in either Runan or Holmes route where u fight monsters more frequently at that stage in the game. Suffers same problem as other pegasus knights where her combat kinda blows indoors but she is a good candidate for dragon flute if you are going to pick one for late game promotion. Going to give her A tier since she comes early enough and roughly does as well as Sasha and Martel from the moment she joins to the end of the game.
I think that most TRS players would place Martel in the same echelon of units as Narron and Raffin. She's generally considered one of the best units in the game and is an easy placement in S tier. The chapter 1 WLV Plus practically has her name written on it because it transforms her from having iffy combat to amazing flying 1-2 range.
Sasha is just Martel with 10 chapters of investment before she pays off and does kind of the same thing with a higher lategame ceiling. Having a second pegasus knight is good because you can split them up between Runan and Holmes. Probably A tier based on being Martel without an earlygame.
Frau I have never used seriously, but she joins 10-11 chapters later than Martel with nearly identical base stats? I don't see how she could even be in the same tier as Sasha, who not only has a couple of chapters of availability as pegasus knight, but will also have much better stats. She just has diminishing returns when you already have Martel, Raffin, and potentially Sasha as leveled up fliers, and unlike Martel, she can't claim an easy WLV Plus to get her out of an offensive rut. You can make her work, but it takes her time to get going and she already joins halfway into the game. I'd put her in B tier at best.
Pretty fly for a pegasi
I think the biggest problem with subaki is that Hinoka joins 1 chapter after him and is just better in every aspect. He is useful to transport units in that chapter because it's a desert chapter though. Then a few chapters later you will get Reina and you know how good that girl is. Soon after that Scarlet joins as well and Takumi can promote into a flier too so there are a so many better options. The only good thing that subaki has to offer is his daughter (who is also better then him but not worth picking over the others) and a reclass to a samurai which can turn him in a dodge tank... When his HP are full. And instead of reclassing him you could reclass jakob into an early game Great Knight who get's exp like an unpromoted unit. Subaki has his use in the escape chapter but that goes for every flier because the "rescue mechanic" in this game doesn't require constitution. But if you really want to have 3 fliers at that point of the game (or just play him anyway in this chapter it's a good candidate to be skipped) you could S Rank Silas with someone to catch the Boss of sophies chapter. And while I think that Hinoka isn't that great as well, Subaki is just outpowered by everyone else. Even Hana is more useful if you reclass her to a cleric because after her promotion in a priestess she can use her stronger offensive stat plus reaching S Rank Staffs. But that's another story.
In conclusion: Subaki is not completly trash - but there are so many other units that he can't keep up with after a short amount of time. Investing in other units is much more worth.
Hinoka isn't terrible but when you have takumi or ryoma around it's kind of pointless to have her.
But if you are lucky with ingrid oh god she massacres everything in sight. She might be low on defense sometimes but it doesn't matter when you have 60 speed.
60 Speed doesn't matter when she hits like a wet noodle, especially on Maddening.
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She doesn't hit like a wet noodle unless you've neglected to grow her strength. It's ironic but she's slightly worse as a Pegasus than she would be as a brigand without flight.
Ingrid shines in a class that boosts her strenght growth rate: make her a wyvern lord and she'll get to a 50% strenght growth, then give her deathblow and you're ready to go, great strenght and amazing speed paired together.
60 speed? How did you get Ingrid to lv speed 47 times? Seriously though mine usually never breaks the low 40s
Mekkah, please add Shigure (Azura’s son) and Caeldori (Tsubaki’s daughter) to the lategame Pegasus knights list!
If Claude is Fee's dad, she gets B staves on promotion, which lets her use warp, recover, physic, and restore, but I don't know how much better or worse that makes her considering what it does to her skills and stats.
12:23 lmao, I just checked her averages, and she's at 3 capped stats in lv. 17 Draco. Anyone who's played FE12 can confirm that she starts capping stats way sooner than that and would have to swap classes just to maximize those, too.
Falcon Knight Catria with the Speed shard is the quintessential answer to Chs. 15-20, allowing her to survive two rounds of combat with Speed-capped Warriors using forged axes and fly to them before any of the rest of the army has to face them. If it weren't for her and Kris, I'd probably skip New Mystery (which is still a fair recommendation to this day, tbh, since the game is mostly garbage).
FE3 Book 2 Shiida faces fearsome Dragon Whip competition, as you only get two early, and you usually want to give those to Palla/Catria. The third one comes in mid-late game, which is terrible considering that game has dismounting in many late chapters.
She's still nice at combat but far worse than Vanessa, FE12 Shiida, Sumia...and I'd even say Shanna and Karin are better overall for utility.
You forgot about Shigure and Caeldori from fates
Just waiting for that bad dragon's in fire emblem tier list
Very happy to see this. Pegasus Knight is clearly the best class in Fire Emblem. And no, Shadow Dragon being the first one I played doesn't colour my opinion at all...
Sumia is amazing on Hard Mode, useful from start to finish. Lunatic she is relegated to pair up duty but she does that really good.
My favorite class, I didn't appreciate them when I first played but as I got more experience I really got to appreciate the class's intricacies
I think Karin is getting overrated a bit, there aren't really that many chapters in Thracia where flight is a big deal, especially since some of them are only super flighthappy in LTCish play, but LTC play takes away other maps where it might have been nice via the Warp staff (13 is good for flight in LTC, but she's bad there in any other style due to relying on dodging ballistas to keep up). Flight is good on chapter 6, 9, 10, 15, 17A and 23. That's pretty much it really (I guess 16B too but what kind of crazy person goes B route), couple others where it's alright but not a big deal beyond just being mounted, and she's outright bad on any map where she can't use flight/rescue to achieve big things. You were torn on her versus Shanna, but Shanna has more good flight maps (7, 8x, 9, 11A, 14, 15, the first three Ilia maps and 21), flight is generally a bit better on those maps (flight only outright breaks chapter 15 in Thracia, in Binding Blade it breaks 8x, 14, 15, half of Ilia and 21) and her combat is better even before getting into being promoted in the western isles. Pretty clear tier gap between the two in my mind.
I've almost never had good luck with Pegasus Knights, most the time they don't do much damage, and get killed by too much. My first time playing Awakening Sumia died on the first chapter I got her like twice after restarting so I never really used her again. Subaki and Hinoka could NEVER solidify a kill in any of the fates games, and for some reason could never seem to double so I gave up on them so fast in favor of Kinshi Knight Kiragi or Reina. In Shadows of Valentia Catria and Palla scared me too much to use because they join right before a bunch of maps with bows all over the place so ended up never using them. I guess I'm just not fit to use Pegasus Knights like ever lol
Wouldn't Gaiden/SoV Palla and Catria technically count as mid-game Pegasus Knights, not early-game?
Having played all three paths in fates... Drop Hinoka and Subaki down a tier each. Hinoka is tied with Sakura for least impressive royal and Subaki is a wet noodle. Seriously, he keeps going on and on about how perfect he is and I'm just like "Okay, go be perfect on the bench, you soggy piece of cardboard."
Me seeing Marcia S tier
*plays path of radiance*
Marcia scuffed every playthrough with terrible str/hp growth luck
big sad
I'm just not a big fan of pegasus knights in games where I can put a wywern rider instead (I know she's great if you invest in her like Jill, I just seem to get a scuffed one very often if I just give her xp and no booster)
My Native Blu Lions Ingrid has been pretty strong throughout. It might just be because I fucked my Dimitri so hard or because I'm making my Sylvain into a wyvern, or w/e but Ingrid was able to get alert stance really quick and do work from the start. She's actually the unit that let me finally open up in maddening and do more than just turtle and bait 1 unit at a time.
I find that Fiora is actually more durable than Vanessa, and not because of her defense (they have the same base and growth and Vanessa is a lower level), but because of the nature of the games in which they are. Fiora faces weak archers with only x2 effectiveness, while the enemies in Sacred Stones are actually somewhat stronger than the FE7 ones, and that game also has x3 effectiveness so if Vanessa faces an archer earlygame, even if it is an iron bow she is very likely to get one-shot, whereas Fiora just doesn't have this issue and can usually take a steel bow to the face if she has full health.
One thing that doesn't necessarily go into ranking units in a tier list but that I'd still like to point out is the fact that Fiora and Florina support each other if you're planning to use both, meanwhile Vanessa and Tana don't, so generally, Fiora's performance tends to be better when she has her sister around, just something to consider.
For the Con argument, well yeah it's true, not getting weighed down by lances is cool, but Fiora just gets so fast so easily that Con doesn't really matter to her. You could counter this with the fact that Fiora doesn't need all that speed anyway because the enemies are really weak, but if she just doubles everything regardless of equipment then I think her speed is just on par with Vanessa. Even then, you still have swords on Fiora after she promotes to mitigate the Con Issue and it is occasionally useful to use those, for example when the game throws multiple Axe users at you, something it does from time to time. Vanessa also has that option tho, so I dunno where this argument is headed.
Fiora does have a great opportunity to shine in the gaiden chapter right after she joins, where she can fly over the mountains and deal with the Pegasi there on her own, and you can even let her chip away the Snipers that spawn there since (to my knowledge) they don't move, although I could be wrong on that. This does give her a huge opportunity to level up tho and if you wanna promote her at level 10 that chapter can pretty let you do that this early. After that she'll just be an amazing unit throughout.
Although that might just be my Fiora bias speaking, since I absolutely adore her. I think both her and Vanessa are great units in their respective games, it's just that my experiences with Fiora have been consistently better than Vanessa, I still like Vanessa tho. Pegasus Knights in general are just my favorite class. And for good reason.
Edit: I also think either Ingrid should be brought down one tier, or Fiora bumped up, because although my experience with 3H is limited Ingrid is definitely harder to train than Fiora, who has an easier time killing things and doubling them upon joining, that and even without doing combat Fiora can still rescue-drop. That's what I think at least.
On Ingrid I disagree.
Shifting her from Peg to Wyvern Rider improves her ovetall Str rather than keeping her in the Peg class and wait for Falcon Knight. Her str points will drastically improve from what I have seen, but that's me.
Wyvern Lord generally add on to her weaknesses making her a more wellrounded unit, patching her defense and strength instead of adding to her speed and Res.
I’ve been waiting for this one thanks dude.
I once had a Florina that capped like 4 stats 3 or so chapters before endgame. Pretty much carried me through the whole game. Good times...
Makkah: Fe 9 Marcia unless I just give her all my bonus exp has never turned great regularly or just needs so much active protection from me, I would say she’s a very high investment unit, there’s no oh I’ll just leave her to fight and gets levels from these enemies, if you need to burn most your Bexp to turn a unit into an active participant the unit can’t objectively be as high, bias and love for a unit aside although I don’t actually believe any of us can really be unbiased on tier lists or unit cause of our differing experiences.
I’m new to the series and wanted to let some units die for drama but I always seemed to lose Flo’Rina first by accident and reset. I can’t let Lyn’s girlfriend die! I can definitely see them as one of the best types of units, they’re like helicopters airdropping troops and supplies.
Why did you put Sumias daughter in here but not Subakis daughter
Subaki is pretty bad. his growths and bases are awful. Hinoka is better, but she could benefit from being in a class that is better offensively such as wyvern lord (which she can be if she marries a corrin with that talent) she also comes with the guard naginata which does not have much power but gives her a +5 boost to def and res when equipped. It's not a personal weapon, but i feel like she is the best at using it, and you get more of them from the shop anyway.
That being said, birthright is the easiest out of the three routes even in lunatic, so take that with a grain of salt.
> vanesssa, Florina should be the same
> FE3 palla and catria and cadea aren't that good lol, dismounted for like half the game, and lances are ass, also enemies scaling is shit so there's also many good units like them
> Fee and femina aren't the same
> Fee is better than all the gba Pegasus knights, Karin, sumia + cordelia
> Clair shouldn't be that low lol, she's underrated as many units in echoes are
I pray you’ll remember Clive for Other Cav tier list
Xenoblade 2 music?? In a Fire Emblem video?? Dude, don't cross nerddoms, the universe might grow a neckbeard!
So glad they got rid of that constitution stat. now who would want a slow pegasus knight? That's why the female constitution is lower, not any mysoginistic reasons behind
I heavily disagree with Ingrid, she's B tier at most, all the times I tried using her both out of house and in house, her strength was way too low, even with death blow. She's really fast and has great avoid but that doesn't matter if she can't deal any damage.
Yeah, B seems right for her. I actually don't think she's that bad in house either, and bows plus death blow will usually work around the strength problem if you go wyvern (a lot of units will usually get a strength boost there anyway). That said, there isn't much that's unique or special about her, and she has no real niche until maybe the very late game where you can start dodge tanking. She might be the definition of a good but not great unit.
You just got unlucky then. If you put her in classes that boost strength, she's great. It's ironic that most prefer her as a wyvern and not as a Pegasus when this is a Pegasus tier list. But understandable when you've already trained her axe rank to just keep her as a wyvern.
@@l.n.3372 I do think people tend to overstate Ingrid's strength growth. It's not worse in any meaningful way than most other similar units. Early game she gets tempest lance which helps a lot, and wyvern (or even paladin) will boost her strength to the necessary minimum even if she is completely stat screwed. It matters a little bit in the early-mid game, but even then that's not a unique problem for her.
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People jump on the 'Ingrid low strength train' all while claiming their Petra was a wyvern and strength blessed. Or how their wyvern Leonie was strength blessed etc. It's so frustrating how people never acknowledge that Leonie and Petra function very similarly and can likewise be better off in a strength based class, yet assume Ingrid shouldn't for no reason. Don't be surprised when units with strength classes succeed more than units in classes that don't give strength.
Now I've played Blue Lions more than most but I've never had a bad Ingrid, and I didn't even use wyvern Ingrid on my first run either.
@@l.n.3372 For reference, in my GD run, I had both Leonie and Ingrid as falcon knights, both had the same class progression: Soldier>Brigand>Pegasus>Falcon.
By the first few chapters of the timeskip, Leonie was straight up better than Ingrid. She had both more speed and strength than her.
ngl the pegasus knights influenced my preference of girls with head bands
Xenoblade music? Sign me up!
14:29 Also the dracoknight speed cap is 23 so she's still going to cap speed. Palla is the god of fe12.
37:20 of course the strat is to just rescue drop seth in rough terrain :p