Actually if you are reading this and an American, more likely your name is NOT in those vaults. The names generally are added to the vault after the census records are released by the government to the public which is 72 years after the census is made. So if your name is not in the 1950 census, odds are your name is not there.
Just so know where ever you live in this word their are LDS chapels who have individuals called to help any one learning about there ancestors. They are called Family History specialist, it is free to any one.
that is true because use to be one those now putying my time looking for poof and fact there much history that proofs the book of mormon i listed two places was going bring down here will have search my face book for link temple zero there proofing the high preist hood really exist only found a couple year ago in city of david no way any could know unless god total them poofing joseph smith in counter with god
The records are often those owned by other groups or government and the church is asked to store them safely. Some are made available to be researched but it depends on what the owners want. They are safe, secure and protected.
LOL ... not the Mormons in my hood .... they gang stalkers. Non-mormons in my city are afraid and terrified of Mormons, ... view them as the mafial level evil
@@tattoofthesunthis isn’t the type of end all argument that you think it is. The entire purpose of the letter is to mislead and lead members astray. It worked for like 5 minutes one year and we lost a couple members but it’s not happening so much anymore lol
@ the entire purpose of the letter is to share one’s experience with asking questions after going through historical documents and comparing them to Joseph Smith and his various claims along the same timeline
@@mikeboyd3225 it’s pretty serious. Consider Ethan Smith (lived in Vermont in the 1820-30s ) who wrote The Twelve Tribes of Israel in America and which Smith based the BoM on. Then the Book Joseph wrote based on Egyptian hieroglyphs he got from a traveling salesman in the Midwest along with two mummies recently dug up. Consider Emma Hale’s father Isaac and his written affidavits. Consider Oliver Cowdery’s reason for leaving after seeing Joseph and Fanny Alger having sex.
If people don't believe in the church's theology then why in the hell would they care? You can access these records on government censuses etc. These records aren't a big secret.
@@thething7484 maybe I miss worded that in the moment. What I’m really referring to Is the infrastructure. The shell companies that the tithing money is hidden in as well as investment portfolio and then all the property that they own. I consider that being blown.
Very good journalism. It was almost completely accurate. The claim that different temples act differently is nonsense. Individuals submit names for temple ordinances whether they are members or not and whether they are related or not. Thanks Mason.
How would I go about finding out if I have relatives listed in those records? My family is Christian, but not Mormon and we have fairly good family records, but if they have immigration records that could be helpful.
For whatever reason, and meant to serve whatever belief system that inspired it, this could prove quite the trove to archeologists centuries from now, even long after we, as a species, are long gone. Splendid journalism!
Most evangelical churches believe that you have to be baptized or you will go to hell. It is sad what is bound on earth is bound in heaven. We are the only church on the face of the Earth that is prepared to give everyone whoever lived a chance to be baptized. Now they do not have to accept that when they are on the other side, but at least the work is done for them. I’ve always wanted to ask Evangelico what happens to the billions of people who lived on this earth who never had the chance to get baptized or even know Jesus Christ?
What if you're wrong though... wouldn't focusing on the temple be a mute point for those who are already here that still need to hear the gospel? I admittedly just left for a myriad of reasons but the way I see the temple now is like spiritual necromancy. It's not a good look and lessens the importance of our time on earth now. If it's all solved in the millennium when we are with God what's the point what's the urgency when God literally created and can do anything and everything? You think a little time will stop him. God is more than that.
Did god create cancer? How bout war? Rape? Murder? Child abuse? If he “could” do absolutely anything, then why doesn’t he stop any of this? Would you allow your child to suffer if you had the ability to stop their suffering? Or would you let them suffer in the hopes it would teach them a lesson? How sadistic and cruel that would be. Your statement makes no sense. Even if he is real, there are some things he simply cannot do. He cannot destroy himself; he cannot create a being more powerful than he; No, there are a great many things that even god as we know him could not do, per the rules we have assigned to him.
God is adjust God and he’s not gonna rip anyone off. There are many people in heaven that never heard the name. Jesus let’s think about Noah Adam Eve Moses you see what I’m saying they were all before Christ time. Mormons are great people unfortunately they are worshiping the wrong. Jesus Jesus is not brothers with Satan. The Jesus they worship cannot save. That’s the problem, it’s a religion that is close to Christianity but off by hundreds of miles and other ways they try and add to what Jesus did on the cross. They say they are saved by grace after everything they can do. It’s not after everything we can do it’s Jesus that saves us. we have to accept it. We have to accept his free gift. I think they find it very hard. They don’t have to work their way in heaven the Bible says that if we are truly saved and have Lord in our heart, we will have gifts of the spirit, another words, we will exhibit, patience, kindness, etc. it’s a result of gratitude of being saved. We don’t do these things to be saved. I have a big heart for the Mormon people and I feel for those who question their religion because they can’t get out most of them if they want to because of the social pressures and family pressures, one thing that tells us it’s not true religion is a simple fact that they will excommunicate. If you decide to leave the church that is not Christlike. Your family turns against you that is not Christlike that tells you right there this is about “religion“ and not about Christ religion is a man-made construct plus if you look at the DNA contradicts so much of what the book of Mormon says let’s keep praying for our brothers and sisters that are Mormon that they will come to find the true, the one that died for them and save them regardless of what they do if you look at the rituals in the temple, it’s downright weird. I mean it really is strange. Some of the things I do another thing is they exclude people instance norm cannot attend a wedding in the evangelical. Church is going to exclude someone from attending a wedding there welcome just like Jesus welcomed all of them Jesus date and spent time with the centers prostitutes. The tax collectors won’t allow anyone into the temple, it’s not a Mormon. That’s another big sign. There’s a problem.
Actually most evangelicals do not rely on Baptism for salvation. Most recognize this simply as an outward expression of their faith. It is simply a public expression and symbolism of How Jesus cleansed them from their sin. Death, burial, and resurrection. Baptism does not actually do anything to save anyone. And regardless of who has or has not been baptized, if someone does not place their faith in Jesus, they will spend eternity in hell, and no one can alter that outcome after death. This is actually what the Bible teaches. Mormons have added fictitious writings in other books that contradict and lead people away from the truth of the Bible. They give out Bibles, and encourage people to read them, but then they proceed to obliterate its core doctrine with their false teachings, which they refer to as deeper doctrine. There is actually plenty of evidence to prove that the Book of Mormon is a complete fabrication. Unfortunately any of their efforts to baptize the dead are futile.
I wish there had been a link to the repository in the show notes, or a view of the address in the video, all I'm seeing is live seminars on the site I found...oh well
Joseph mostly used 1823’s The Twelve Tribes of Israel aka View of the Hebrews by a local pastor named Ethan Smith. Joseph was a product of the religious revival speakers and meetings of the time. Joseph was an ambitious guy who wanted a different life for his family. His uncle started a similar community to the Mormons, he had like twenty families in a commune. His grandfather wrote his own autobiography. His mother and him attended meetings and Joseph became sharpened over time with the pros and cons of the traveling revivalists he saw. Joseph then observed what worked on his fellow men in palmyra and Canandaigua and Rochester and what didn’t. Smith realized that what mattered was the personality of the speaker because people wanted to believe in the person rather than the content of their beliefs (to an extent) from there, Smith was on a mission to gain attention, a hold on a following, wealth from followers and eventually- the reputation of success that his family had failed to get. The main thing is that Joseph KNEW people wanted something new to latch onto during the revival going on in Western NY at the time. Smith was ambitious, well read and attended a ton of lectures and speakers. He appealed to locals who wanted an explanation for the Native American tribes whose burial grounds were all over the finger lakes region and the Ontario Lake basin.
@@mikeboyd3225 they also have a multi billion dollar stock portfolio made up of property and funds and it is stored in shell companies. They take money from members and other countries, and it all goes to the college, the organization and the investments.
They are because they're trying to get to the "highest" Heaven by performing good works. "....It is the GIFT of God, not of works lest any man should boast."
@ If you don’t think works matter you’re mistaken. Why do you think God gave Moses the Ten Commandments? If all we had to do was say I believe Jesus is my Savior God would have given Moses one Commandment. It matters how we live. It matters if we commit murder or rape. It matters if we lie or steal or covet. It matters if we take Gods name in vain. It matters how we live. But in the end we are still saved by the Grace and Mercy of God because Jesus Atoned for our sins. We have to rely on repentance and forgiveness. The Apostle Paul said faith without works is dead. It matters how we live. We should all try to live like Christ lived. Have a nice day. God Bless.
If it wasn't for the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints saving those records. I would not have known the names of my great grandparents and other relatives! So leave them alone!
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Local here, did you mean to say Wasatch that way? 1:35 Imo little cottonwood is more visually appealing than big cottonwood but nothin tops mill creek's hikes.
@@MasonObscura All good, found it amusing. was- like moss with a w and Hatch without the h. Woss-atch It was last night but I believe it was said with more of a long a (like ah) instead of a shorter one a (like at). Hope you had a safe drive outta here with the weather.
I was LDS until I was excommunicated. It was made a happier event when I was informed by letter that my name had been deleted from the records. I guess they thought God wouldn't be found after that since I was heretical. Really? I think I did good!
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I thank our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth you are out. Read all of the New Testament for it is the real truth! Don't add or subtract from it. It is a gift by Grace through faith, not by works, should any man boast. Read this again and again until you understand what Jesus did for all. You can't work your way into God's Kingdom, none deserve to be there, no not one!!
if works don’t matter then why did God give Moses the 10 Commandments. Wake up egghead how you live matters. That’s why we have repentance and forgiveness.
And it says many will come to me saying that we rebuked out demons and we healed the sick and we fed the poor and he will save the part from me cast into eternal fire for I do not know you
This video is a very fair portrayal of LDS doctrine. I'm aware that the LDS religion can seem peculiar when people view it out of context but the more you understand what they believe, the more you will realize that it isn't strange at all. I have yet to find a theology that makes as much sense as the Latter-Day Saints. It's the only theology that is in harmony with the Bible, true scientific principles, and first century christians simultaneously. It's the only one that shares extensive common ground with Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism and Islam. It even shares much in common with ancient religions found in places like Egypt. It makes sense that if all theology and truth originally sprang from one source, that the remnants of that truth would be found all over the place. The Latter-Day Saints claim that the original truth has been restored in these days and after having spent well over a decade studying their doctrines and many others, I have yet to find another belief system that even comes close to rivaling what is found in the LDS church. When you understand their doctrine better, you understand everything else better too.
Bruh, where are you getting your info from? I wouldn’t call their belief in Native Americans being descendants of Lamanites to be a “true scientific principle”, especially when it’s been proven to be false by archeological and genetic research. Also don’t even get me started on the Egyptian funerary scrolls they believe to be the lost book of Abraham or the Kinderhook Plates.
The idea of proxy baptism far predates LDS theology. It even predates the catholic church. You can find proxy baptism all over first century christian records like the Dead Sea Scrolls (which were discovered 120 years after Joseph Smith restored Jesus Christ's church). It's mentioned in the Bible as well so it's not a new idea.
People who want to hate on the Church for proxy baptisms don’t realize that if it’s not real, it doesn’t matter at all. But if it is, all of humanity will thank us later!
You think the Mormons would be as forgiving as you are if people did proxy baptisms of Mormons into their religion that the Mormons oppose? .... What the Mormons are doing is idolatry & witchcraft, and they need to stop it before the wrath of the true living God of the Bible is kindled against them.
They should look up 1st Corinthians 15:29. The Apostle Paul is talking to the Saints in Corinth about the Ordinance of Baptism for the dead. They practiced that Ordinance in the Church that Christ started on the earth. Try to explain that away!!!
Hey if they want to have the world's biggest collection of names for genealogy, I can tell you that this has helped me with my family tree search big time. So you started out by kind of misleading us, What is the Mormon Church doing with this information???????? And you don't have to be a Church member to access the records. Just go online. Familysearch, ancestry. etc.
The human race has come to near extinction a number of times and had to begin again. This will allow humanities next iteration to know something about the last one.
The man on the cross next to Jesus wasn't baptized, didn't go to church & never got a chance to perform "good works,"which the Bible says are as filthy rags. He died & went to Heaven as Jesus said. Baptism is only a symbol & profession of faith, NOT what gets anyone to Heaven. My stillborn daughter & my 95 yr-old friend (who accepted Jesus through faith by grace) are in Heaven & they weren't baptized. The idea of three "heavens" is a slap in the face of God Himself.
You left out part of the name of the church and I'm thinking you did it on purpose.... It is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" not the Church of Latter-day Saints.
Because people have destroyed records before, but its IMPORTANT to have records, theyre like receipts of your existence. Dont go to Ancestry cos you have to pay, go to FAMILY SEARCH where its FREE
If you find the higher plane boring, you will re-incarnate endlessly and possibly become a minion of the demiurge of this fallen plane, if you aren't already.
You get to choose your heaven by the choices you make and the desires you have. "Mormon" heaven (The Celestial Kingdom) is a place where you can live with our Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ and your family. If that's not what you want well, the terrestrial and telestial kingdoms are available.
I'm LDS in regional South Australia, i always thought it was smart to keep some records for families. It's an act of kindness and isn't harming anyone. Unlike our governments which keep and track everything you do and misuse that information for their benefit. I just want to see the native american records kept there. See Chief Midegah of the Ojibwah nation, he's leading the charge for the church to listen to the Native Americans and acknowledge them. they have more records. "the birch bark scrolls''are being released now.
When SHTF the time to learn what's being taught in Temples currently may not be available to be learned. Now is the time. The Temple is a symbolic way to learn spiritual safety in a temporal body, not a war bunker.
My concern is that there are too many information in the hands of the organization. We’re not only saying deceased person’s name, date and place of birth, death and marriage, names of parents, children and spouse. We’re talking data such as legal ID numbers and other details contained in official documents. That’s my concern.
They are tracking bloodlines to find elite families. The whole reason they started polygamy was to proliferate their genes. The early leaders were related to royal European stock.
@@lunchplateboy Also not very Christian like to listen to and worship the word of a pedophile & also the same guy that was secretly marrying his followers wife’s. Proverbs 30:6 “DONT add to his words, or he will rebuke you, and you will be proved a liar”. The Book of Mormon as described as an “extension to the Bible”
This made me think of when Timothy was charged to oppose false teachers (read verses down below:) "...so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work-which is by faith." 1 Timothy 1:3-4
The fact of the matter is that nearly all of Christianity condemns 99% of the world’s population to Hell because they never had a chance to accept Christ or at the very best they have zero theology on the matter and have no idea what to do with those who never had a chance to accept Christ. I’d say genealogy work for the purpose of proxy missionary for the dead to give them opportunities to accept Christ are more in line with what Christ would be doing than what most of Christianity is following.
It's funny they would do Anne Frank 9 times, everyone knows that diary was fake (written with a ball point pen before they existed) and she was just a character played by Audrey Hepburn. Both the same age, from Amsterdam and there is an official media record of her meeting "Anne Frank's Father"...why else would there be all those connections and the similar looks?
They have a LOT more than genealogical records in there. Genealogy is the boring cover story. They don't openly advertize the rest of they really have in there, including a bunch of artifacts the general population will never see - same as the Vatican. Look into what (or rather WHO) they found when they dug the vaults - they had to make a "deal" with the people who already owned the land and area INSIDE the mountain. (David Wilcock discusses this on one episode of his show, and there are records dealing with the military when they opened the mountain.) There is a LOT more space in there than they advertise - it opens up clear over to the Grand Mesa in CO, and extends the other direction all the way under Salt Lake valley over to Dugway for eg. (there are pyramids in Magna and those connect underground too), there is also a massive underground lake in there connecting to underground aquifers and old world water systems, and tons of ancient infrastructure and tunnel networks they exposed - they didn't just blow a hole in a granite mountain, they opened up part of the old world that had been buried. They tell the PUBLIC it's for microfiche genealogy records - we all know we could print the entirety of those records on a crystal chip and lock that up in a vault the size of a breadbox - don't need an entire mountain for that.
From Granite mountain to Grand Mesa is over 200 miles direct. If there’s underground tunnels that are interconnected between the two, then that is incredibly impressive.
@@tonymartinez457 Challenge the info I posted there. Go try to prove that info wrong. Whether you do or don't, you will end up learning things that make your mind fly apart like glass ;-)
your right there we store food there to for red cross send with are trucks when need there ones with a bee hive on them church give 55.8 millions for releaf
Bro, come join rhe church! You are intelligent and have a good heart. Just read rhe Book if Mormon and pray about. For real brother, you would ve a great member of the church. 🤙🏾
I actually had a guy tell me that to do dna matching you had to dig up the bodies to test. lol. Nothing to do with the Granite mountain vaults or baptism but it was funny!
Does a pair of Mormon missionaries show up on the ‘other side’ and spend a few minutes discussing what’s wrong with their heaven? The Mormons are up to something else. I’m sure it has to do with more power and riches in the long run.
People that have passed on are taught the gospel, yes. Christ taught that you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven unless you have been born of water (baptized). The idea of proxy baptism far predates LDS theology by the way. It even predates the catholic church. You can find proxy baptism all over first century christian records like the Dead Sea Scrolls (which were discovered 120 years after Joseph Smith restored Jesus Christ's church). It's mentioned in the Bible as well so it's not a new idea.
I was raised mormon, and as a teen we all used to take trips to the nearest temple and spend hours doing baptism by-proxy. At no point were we ever baptised for anyone that we were connected to, just random names of the deceased. They seem to just horde records and baptise everyone they can. Some sort of 'patriarch' just prays over the names, and decides that they've accepted 'the gospel' in one of the lower kingdoms.
I'm curious, was it other Mormons you were proxy baptizing or everyday folk who had passed? I'm not religious, but it would definitely give me the fizz to know that total strangers were having a ceremony just for me.
@@KSMvidcast None of them would have been Mormons, guaranteed. Mormons would have already been baptised at 8yrs old, or on conversion. That's why genealogy is so crucial for them. It's like they're harvesting souls and fabricating consent. I recall my parents 'doing the work' for all my deceased family. Every one of them that I remember alive were disgusted with Mormanism, and we were alienated a fair bit.
This is actually not accurate at all. First, the “random” names you were doing baptisms for were actually the names of the family members and ancestors of other members of the church who had researched and found them. Just because you didn’t know who they were doesn’t mean they were just random names. They are the family of individuals who researched them and then took those names to a temple and asked for someone to do the proxy baptism for them. Second, there is no “patriarch” or any other person who proclaims that a deceased individual has accepted, declined or placed in some “lower kingdom”. That is just frankly completely made up. No one proclaims anything, the work is done and the belief is that that individual for who the work was done will be able to choose if they accept that baptism but no one ever claims that they did or that they did not accept it. By the way, the doctrine of Baptisms for the Dead is a biblical doctrine and was practiced anciently as recorded in Corinthians 15:29 Lastly, the last 2 verses of the Old Testament prophesy that in the last days the prophet Elijah would appear and: 5. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. That prophecy is believed by Latter-day Saints to refer to the genealogical research and mapping of ancestors to afford every person who has ever lived on the earth who desires baptism and salvation an opportunity to receive it lest all of those billions of people who never heard of Christ in their lifetime are just lost. So the question for the other Christian faiths, what happens to those people who lived and died having never heard of Jesus Christ? And are you doing anything to try and help them?
@@joebidebThis might not age well. Joseph was a Prophet who taught more and revealed more about Christ than any previous dispensary Prophet besides the Savior Himself. Be careful not to metaphorically stone Christ's Prophets.
@@joebidebStart with the fact that we pray to Jesus Christ, not Joseph Smtih. Then continue with the fact that the Book of Mormon has more names and titles of Christ mentioned inside it than the Bible. Finally, ask any Mormon about who they worship. You’ll get your answer every time.
"The Church OF Jesus Christ OF LATTER DAY SAINTS" Their name says they have their own MADE UP Jesus. Made up by them. Not the Jesus of the Bible. And if you study their beliefs, you see this is true. Jesus, of the Bible, was very particular about who people believed he was.
Pretty sure Jesus Christ is not on board with a council of corrupt men who came up with the doctrine of the trinity 325 years after His crucifixion. I mean you realize that your entire understanding of the nature of God the Father and Jesus Chris is not a biblical doctrine but rather dictated by 318 bishops who had a very secular debate about it right?
It's true. LDS theology has a lot in common with Scientology. I've also heard us compared to Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism, Islam and many other religions. We share much in common with everybody it seems!
Actually if you are reading this and an American, more likely your name is NOT in those vaults. The names generally are added to the vault after the census records are released by the government to the public which is 72 years after the census is made. So if your name is not in the 1950 census, odds are your name is not there.
I'm guessing they have all the records of the church members
But be patient, it will be...
Even if they had my name I still wouldn't care, it's public information 😂
Just so know where ever you live in this word their are LDS chapels who have individuals called to help any one learning about there ancestors. They are called Family History specialist, it is free to any one.
that is true because use to be one those now putying my time looking for poof and fact there much history that proofs the book of mormon i listed two places was going bring down here will have search my face book for link temple zero there proofing the high preist hood really exist only found a couple year ago in city of david no way any could know unless god total them poofing joseph smith in counter with god
I’m not Mormon either, but I’m sure glad that they’ve helped make the genealogy hobby much easier
The records are often those owned by other groups or government and the church is asked to store them safely. Some are made available to be researched but it depends on what the owners want. They are safe, secure and protected.
Children who die under the age of accountability (which is 8 years old), are not baptized; only sealed vicariously or by proxy to their parents.
I make fun of Mormons constantly and they don't care. Just the nicest folks.
LOL ... not the Mormons in my hood .... they gang stalkers. Non-mormons in my city are afraid and terrified of Mormons, ... view them as the mafial level evil
Very interesting topic...Thank you for your efforts
Enjoyed this video. I am a member of the church and appreciate you taking the time on this subject.
Hey read the CES Letter yet?
@@tattoofthesunthis isn’t the type of end all argument that you think it is. The entire purpose of the letter is to mislead and lead members astray. It worked for like 5 minutes one year and we lost a couple members but it’s not happening so much anymore lol
@ the entire purpose of the letter is to share one’s experience with asking questions after going through historical documents and comparing them to Joseph Smith and his various claims along the same timeline
@@tattoofthesun
CES letter was a joke and should be thought of as such.
@@mikeboyd3225 it’s pretty serious. Consider Ethan Smith (lived in Vermont in the 1820-30s ) who wrote The Twelve Tribes of Israel in America and which Smith based the BoM on. Then the Book Joseph wrote based on Egyptian hieroglyphs he got from a traveling salesman in the Midwest along with two mummies recently dug up. Consider Emma Hale’s father Isaac and his written affidavits. Consider Oliver Cowdery’s reason for leaving after seeing Joseph and Fanny Alger having sex.
If people don't believe in the church's theology then why in the hell would they care? You can access these records on government censuses etc. These records aren't a big secret.
Exactly. They have billion dollar investment portfolios and just blow money on stuff like this
@@tattoofthesunit’s not blown it’s a good investment lol.
@@thething7484 maybe I miss worded that in the moment. What I’m really referring to Is the infrastructure. The shell companies that the tithing money is hidden in as well as investment portfolio and then all the property that they own. I consider that being blown.
fun fact one of the first major stories in the book of mormon is nephi killing a man to get geneological records we take this stuff seriously
I see your point and I agree!
also helping freind hide the ark this show who freind was tomb of lehi and show the because the were killing the hi preist temple zero
He was a thief, a liar, and a murderer. Great story to tell impressionable Primary children.
@@carolyearsleyProphets of God have been labelled as all sorts of things by unbelievers throughout time. But they were still Prophets of God.
@@patrickribouet580 There is a difference between calling a prophet as such and one actually being so. Oui?
Very good journalism. It was almost completely accurate. The claim that different temples act differently is nonsense. Individuals submit names for temple ordinances whether they are members or not and whether they are related or not. Thanks Mason.
Thanks for the input. Good to know!
So the organization gets everyone to fall in line?
How would I go about finding out if I have relatives listed in those records? My family is Christian, but not Mormon and we have fairly good family records, but if they have immigration records that could be helpful.
So family tree website is good but you'll have to fill in a few generations back to access what the church has on record.
Unlike Poland in the 1600-1800s, no matter *_who_* has political power, the records of those who once lived survive.
Nicely done! 👏👏👏
For whatever reason, and meant to serve whatever belief system that inspired it, this could prove quite the trove to archeologists centuries from now, even long after we, as a species, are long gone. Splendid journalism!
Great point!
If “we, as a species, are long gone,” then who are these archeologists you speak of??
@@woodystube1000 The next sentient species on Earth, if there is one. Or one from another world entirely.
@@woodystube1000killer whales around the year 1372 PAW(Post Atlantic War)
That’s crazy. I didn’t know this.
Most evangelical churches believe that you have to be baptized or you will go to hell. It is sad what is bound on earth is bound in heaven. We are the only church on the face of the Earth that is prepared to give everyone whoever lived a chance to be baptized. Now they do not have to accept that when they are on the other side, but at least the work is done for them. I’ve always wanted to ask Evangelico what happens to the billions of people who lived on this earth who never had the chance to get baptized or even know Jesus Christ?
All nice what you believe but the issue is that the whole thing is a scam. 😅
What if you're wrong though... wouldn't focusing on the temple be a mute point for those who are already here that still need to hear the gospel? I admittedly just left for a myriad of reasons but the way I see the temple now is like spiritual necromancy. It's not a good look and lessens the importance of our time on earth now. If it's all solved in the millennium when we are with God what's the point what's the urgency when God literally created and can do anything and everything? You think a little time will stop him. God is more than that.
Did god create cancer? How bout war? Rape? Murder? Child abuse? If he “could” do absolutely anything, then why doesn’t he stop any of this? Would you allow your child to suffer if you had the ability to stop their suffering? Or would you let them suffer in the hopes it would teach them a lesson? How sadistic and cruel that would be. Your statement makes no sense. Even if he is real, there are some things he simply cannot do. He cannot destroy himself; he cannot create a being more powerful than he; No, there are a great many things that even god as we know him could not do, per the rules we have assigned to him.
God is adjust God and he’s not gonna rip anyone off. There are many people in heaven that never heard the name. Jesus let’s think about Noah Adam Eve Moses you see what I’m saying they were all before Christ time. Mormons are great people unfortunately they are worshiping the wrong. Jesus Jesus is not brothers with Satan. The Jesus they worship cannot save. That’s the problem, it’s a religion that is close to Christianity but off by hundreds of miles and other ways they try and add to what Jesus did on the cross. They say they are saved by grace after everything they can do. It’s not after everything we can do it’s Jesus that saves us. we have to accept it. We have to accept his free gift. I think they find it very hard. They don’t have to work their way in heaven the Bible says that if we are truly saved and have Lord in our heart, we will have gifts of the spirit, another words, we will exhibit, patience, kindness, etc. it’s a result of gratitude of being saved. We don’t do these things to be saved. I have a big heart for the Mormon people and I feel for those who question their religion because they can’t get out most of them if they want to because of the social pressures and family pressures, one thing that tells us it’s not true religion is a simple fact that they will excommunicate. If you decide to leave the church that is not Christlike. Your family turns against you that is not Christlike that tells you right there this is about “religion“ and not about Christ religion is a man-made construct plus if you look at the DNA contradicts so much of what the book of Mormon says let’s keep praying for our brothers and sisters that are Mormon that they will come to find the true, the one that died for them and save them regardless of what they do if you look at the rituals in the temple, it’s downright weird. I mean it really is strange. Some of the things I do another thing is they exclude people instance norm cannot attend a wedding in the evangelical. Church is going to exclude someone from attending a wedding there welcome just like Jesus welcomed all of them Jesus date and spent time with the centers prostitutes. The tax collectors won’t allow anyone into the temple, it’s not a Mormon. That’s another big sign. There’s a problem.
Actually most evangelicals do not rely on Baptism for salvation. Most recognize this simply as an outward expression of their faith. It is simply a public expression and symbolism of How Jesus cleansed them from their sin. Death, burial, and resurrection. Baptism does not actually do anything to save anyone. And regardless of who has or has not been baptized, if someone does not place their faith in Jesus, they will spend eternity in hell, and no one can alter that outcome after death. This is actually what the Bible teaches. Mormons have added fictitious writings in other books that contradict and lead people away from the truth of the Bible. They give out Bibles, and encourage people to read them, but then they proceed to obliterate its core doctrine with their false teachings, which they refer to as deeper doctrine. There is actually plenty of evidence to prove that the Book of Mormon is a complete fabrication. Unfortunately any of their efforts to baptize the dead are futile.
Great video!
Nice presentation, Thank you .
I wish there had been a link to the repository in the show notes, or a view of the address in the video, all I'm seeing is live seminars on the site I found...oh well
www.familysearch.org/en/
There you go. Thanks for reminding me! I'll add it to the description.
@@MasonObscura you're a gem 💎✨
Thank God for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are as amazing people.
They're new age luciferians who practice witchcraft ... they're mean vicious people who hate and despise non-mormons.
Joseph mostly used 1823’s The Twelve Tribes of Israel aka View of the Hebrews by a local pastor named Ethan Smith. Joseph was a product of the religious revival speakers and meetings of the time. Joseph was an ambitious guy who wanted a different life for his family. His uncle started a similar community to the Mormons, he had like twenty families in a commune. His grandfather wrote his own autobiography. His mother and him attended meetings and Joseph became sharpened over time with the pros and cons of the traveling revivalists he saw. Joseph then observed what worked on his fellow men in palmyra and Canandaigua and Rochester and what didn’t. Smith realized that what mattered was the personality of the speaker because people wanted to believe in the person rather than the content of their beliefs (to an extent) from there, Smith was on a mission to gain attention, a hold on a following, wealth from followers and eventually- the reputation of success that his family had failed to get.
The main thing is that Joseph KNEW people wanted something new to latch onto during the revival going on in Western NY at the time. Smith was ambitious, well read and attended a ton of lectures and speakers. He appealed to locals who wanted an explanation for the Native American tribes whose burial grounds were all over the finger lakes region and the Ontario Lake basin.
@@mikeboyd3225 they also have a multi billion dollar stock portfolio made up of property and funds and it is stored in shell companies. They take money from members and other countries, and it all goes to the college, the organization and the investments.
They are because they're trying to get to the "highest" Heaven by performing good works. "....It is the GIFT of God, not of works lest any man should boast."
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If you don’t think works matter you’re mistaken. Why do you think God gave Moses the Ten Commandments? If all we had to do was say I believe Jesus is my Savior God would have given Moses one Commandment. It matters how we live. It matters if we commit murder or rape. It matters if we lie or steal or covet. It matters if we take Gods name in vain. It matters how we live. But in the end we are still saved by the Grace and Mercy of God because Jesus Atoned for our sins. We have to rely on repentance and forgiveness. The Apostle Paul said faith without works is dead. It matters how we live. We should all try to live like Christ lived. Have a nice day. God Bless.
Thank you for this video man 🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿
If it wasn't for the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints saving those records. I would not have known the names of my great grandparents and other relatives! So leave them alone!
Wat about the cabbage patch kids? Info is great tho🤔
Do they keep records of people they have blacklisted .... including non members and people who have never participated in Mormonism?
Grow up!
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Great video. Them pesky “Mormons.” I’m totally kidding. Love you guys.
I used to do maintenance in these vaults. Cool place
So why are they storing our records? How is this related to proxy baptism?
Local here, did you mean to say Wasatch that way? 1:35
Imo little cottonwood is more visually appealing than big cottonwood but nothin tops mill creek's hikes.
Unfortunately with this job I end up mispronouncing place names quite a bit. Is it said more like "way-satch" or "sack?"
@@MasonObscura All good, found it amusing.
was- like moss with a w and Hatch without the h. Woss-atch
It was last night but I believe it was said with more of a long a (like ah) instead of a shorter one a (like at).
Hope you had a safe drive outta here with the weather.
Thanks for the info. Made it in and out safe during my trip!
I was LDS until I was excommunicated. It was made a happier event when I was informed by letter that my name had been deleted from the records. I guess they thought God wouldn't be found after that since I was heretical. Really? I think I did good!
But behold, I say unto you that ye must PRAY ALWAYS, and not faint; that ye must not perform any thing unto the Lord save in the first place ye shall pray unto the Father in the name of Christ, that he will consecrate thy performance unto thee, that thy performance may be FOR THE WELFARE OF THY SOUL.
#Keeppraying #Keepbelieivng #Jesuslives #Jesusloves
I thank our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth you are out. Read all of the New Testament for it is the real truth! Don't add or subtract from it. It is a gift by Grace through faith, not by works, should any man boast. Read this again and again until you understand what Jesus did for all. You can't work your way into God's Kingdom, none deserve to be there, no not one!!
if works don’t matter then why did God give Moses the 10 Commandments. Wake up egghead how you live matters. That’s why we have repentance and forgiveness.
And it says many will come to me saying that we rebuked out demons and we healed the sick and we fed the poor and he will save the part from me cast into eternal fire for I do not know you
It's only those who do the will of the Father that are saved, so what is his will for his children?
How did they build this 🤯
They are in a vault to protect those documents.
I wonder if the records will get water logged.
No.
This video is a very fair portrayal of LDS doctrine.
I'm aware that the LDS religion can seem peculiar when people view it out of context but the more you understand what they believe, the more you will realize that it isn't strange at all.
I have yet to find a theology that makes as much sense as the Latter-Day Saints.
It's the only theology that is in harmony with the Bible, true scientific principles, and first century christians simultaneously.
It's the only one that shares extensive common ground with Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism and Islam.
It even shares much in common with ancient religions found in places like Egypt.
It makes sense that if all theology and truth originally sprang from one source, that the remnants of that truth would be found all over the place.
The Latter-Day Saints claim that the original truth has been restored in these days and after having spent well over a decade studying their doctrines and many others, I have yet to find another belief system that even comes close to rivaling what is found in the LDS church.
When you understand their doctrine better, you understand everything else better too.
Bruh, where are you getting your info from? I wouldn’t call their belief in Native Americans being descendants of Lamanites to be a “true scientific principle”, especially when it’s been proven to be false by archeological and genetic research. Also don’t even get me started on the Egyptian funerary scrolls they believe to be the lost book of Abraham or the Kinderhook Plates.
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Raised by the church much? I was brought up in a church too but I don't go on about it...
@@savage.4.24 Where did I say that?
Thank you for your unbiased thero research.
Not a cult!
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yeah, the people who believe that have never lived in a mormon controlled city, or have been gang stalked by them. LOL
@@richardjones1699 not
The first chapter of the New Testament is the Geneology of Jesus Christ step-dad Joseph.
thank you
I like this content, but not the idea of baptism by proxy.
The idea of proxy baptism far predates LDS theology. It even predates the catholic church.
You can find proxy baptism all over first century christian records like the Dead Sea Scrolls (which were discovered 120 years after Joseph Smith restored Jesus Christ's church).
It's mentioned in the Bible as well so it's not a new idea.
“Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead if the dead rise not at all? Why then are they baptized for the dead?”
Well Christians practiced it while Christ was alive as recorded in the New Testament and Dead Sea Scrolls.
It is up to the individual the baptism is done for to accept it. They have the choice.
People who want to hate on the Church for proxy baptisms don’t realize that if it’s not real, it doesn’t matter at all. But if it is, all of humanity will thank us later!
You think the Mormons would be as forgiving as you are if people did proxy baptisms of Mormons into their religion that the Mormons oppose? .... What the Mormons are doing is idolatry & witchcraft, and they need to stop it before the wrath of the true living God of the Bible is kindled against them.
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Classic Cult reasoning !
@@paulbrungardt9823 y’all will take anything we say and slap the word cult on it like it means something lol
They should look up 1st Corinthians 15:29. The Apostle Paul is talking to the Saints in Corinth about the Ordinance of Baptism for the dead. They practiced that Ordinance in the Church that Christ started on the earth.
Try to explain that away!!!
Some things should be taken with a grain of salt.
Yeah like your comments.
Hey if they want to have the world's biggest collection of names for genealogy, I can tell you that this has helped me with my family tree search big time. So you started out by kind of misleading us, What is the Mormon Church doing with this information???????? And you don't have to be a Church member to access the records. Just go online. Familysearch, ancestry. etc.
The human race has come to near extinction a number of times and had to begin again. This will allow humanities next iteration to know something about the last one.
humans will belive literally anything no matter what
Except truth.
You really believe that?
I don’t believe what you’re saying. So now what do we do?
My dad was a Mormon and he used to preform this ceremony a lot.
Creepy.
The man on the cross next to Jesus wasn't baptized, didn't go to church & never got a chance to perform "good works,"which the Bible says are as filthy rags. He died & went to Heaven as Jesus said. Baptism is only a symbol & profession of faith, NOT what gets anyone to Heaven. My stillborn daughter & my 95 yr-old friend (who accepted Jesus through faith by grace) are in Heaven & they weren't baptized. The idea of three "heavens" is a slap in the face of God Himself.
I thought this was a video mostly on the granite vault. It’s mostly about proxy baptism. 😑
So basically, this is the equivalent to a Mormon fort Knox ?
You left out part of the name of the church and I'm thinking you did it on purpose.... It is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" not the Church of Latter-day Saints.
I didnt do it on purpose. I was filming and talking in 10 degree weather. I was rushing.
I think he was was rigjt....the church of latter day saints....perfect.
The Church of the Deceived would be a better name.
@@youaregodspursuit-47As the atheist would call every Christian on the planet…. Not the “own” you think it is, is it?
The LDS Church is simultaneously one of the weirdest, and one of the coolest religious institutions.
Because people have destroyed records before, but its IMPORTANT to have records, theyre like receipts of your existence. Dont go to Ancestry cos you have to pay, go to FAMILY SEARCH where its FREE
No baptism by proxy for me please. Mormon heaven sounds boring and I would rather meditate in my last hours and do the whole parinirvana thing. 🙏
If you find the higher plane boring, you will re-incarnate endlessly and possibly become a minion of the demiurge of this fallen plane, if you aren't already.
You get to choose your heaven by the choices you make and the desires you have. "Mormon" heaven (The Celestial Kingdom) is a place where you can live with our Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ and your family. If that's not what you want well, the terrestrial and telestial kingdoms are available.
@@tonymartinez457 Don't forget the other place for those who are truly 'bored'.
@@hendo337 Just to be clear we do not believe in reincarnation.
I have no problem with this practice
Wasatch - does not rhyme with Sasquatch.
They got the lowdown on him and his posse too, and they're not happy about it. 😂😂😂😂
I want my shit back😅😅
I'm LDS in regional South Australia, i always thought it was smart to keep some records for families. It's an act of kindness and isn't harming anyone. Unlike our governments which keep and track everything you do and misuse that information for their benefit. I just want to see the native american records kept there. See Chief Midegah of the Ojibwah nation, he's leading the charge for the church to listen to the Native Americans and acknowledge them. they have more records. "the birch bark scrolls''are being released now.
This is just Baptip Crazy
Baptizing culturally relevant people, very interesting.
They aren't so much culturally relevant as they are historically important.
Not just relevant people. That is not true. All said records are available to public. Nothing secret.
When SHTF only current temple recommend holders can enter for refuge and safety.
You may get in but maybe not your family...weird 😂
Huh?
@@lunchplateboy
True
Where did you come up with that bit of nonsense?
@@joebideb What are you even trying to say? It’s just gibberish.
When SHTF the time to learn what's being taught in Temples currently may not be available to be learned. Now is the time. The Temple is a symbolic way to learn spiritual safety in a temporal body, not a war bunker.
My concern is that there are too many information in the hands of the organization. We’re not only saying deceased person’s name, date and place of birth, death and marriage, names of parents, children and spouse. We’re talking data such as legal ID numbers and other details contained in official documents. That’s my concern.
They are tracking bloodlines to find elite families. The whole reason they started polygamy was to proliferate their genes. The early leaders were related to royal European stock.
The LDS leadership has tons of money to spend on their projects.😊
Of course because the Leader Himself is the one who created this earth and everything in it.
@@crisantocabrerajr.3508 Jospeh Smith didn’t make shit. He’s your god not real Christians God
@@alexalvarado767Very Christ-like language you’re using there…..
@@lunchplateboy Also not very Christian like to listen to and worship the word of a pedophile & also the same guy that was secretly marrying his followers wife’s. Proverbs 30:6 “DONT add to his words, or he will rebuke you, and you will be proved a liar”. The Book of Mormon as described as an “extension to the Bible”
@@lunchplateboy what’s also not Christian like is following the doctrine of a man that was a pedo and was marrying his followers wives in secret.
This made me think of when Timothy was charged to oppose false teachers (read verses down below:)
"...so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work-which is by faith."
1 Timothy 1:3-4
1 Timothy 1.4 Says not to bother with genealogy and to live by faith so this mountain fortress that is nuclear bomb proof is a waste of money
Good thing we have living prophets and apostles to guide us with modern revelation
You don't think protecting records from all over the world is a good thing from a historic point of view?
The fact of the matter is that nearly all of Christianity condemns 99% of the world’s population to Hell because they never had a chance to accept Christ or at the very best they have zero theology on the matter and have no idea what to do with those who never had a chance to accept Christ. I’d say genealogy work for the purpose of proxy missionary for the dead to give them opportunities to accept Christ are more in line with what Christ would be doing than what most of Christianity is following.
That was taken out of context, or else why are there so many genealogies in the Bible?
It's funny they would do Anne Frank 9 times, everyone knows that diary was fake (written with a ball point pen before they existed) and she was just a character played by Audrey Hepburn. Both the same age, from Amsterdam and there is an official media record of her meeting "Anne Frank's Father"...why else would there be all those connections and the similar looks?
Mormon ripped me off,,,,,not a fan.
They have a LOT more than genealogical records in there. Genealogy is the boring cover story. They don't openly advertize the rest of they really have in there, including a bunch of artifacts the general population will never see - same as the Vatican. Look into what (or rather WHO) they found when they dug the vaults - they had to make a "deal" with the people who already owned the land and area INSIDE the mountain. (David Wilcock discusses this on one episode of his show, and there are records dealing with the military when they opened the mountain.) There is a LOT more space in there than they advertise - it opens up clear over to the Grand Mesa in CO, and extends the other direction all the way under Salt Lake valley over to Dugway for eg. (there are pyramids in Magna and those connect underground too), there is also a massive underground lake in there connecting to underground aquifers and old world water systems, and tons of ancient infrastructure and tunnel networks they exposed - they didn't just blow a hole in a granite mountain, they opened up part of the old world that had been buried. They tell the PUBLIC it's for microfiche genealogy records - we all know we could print the entirety of those records on a crystal chip and lock that up in a vault the size of a breadbox - don't need an entire mountain for that.
Is this a joke, or have you lost your mind?
From Granite mountain to Grand Mesa is over 200 miles direct. If there’s underground tunnels that are interconnected between the two, then that is incredibly impressive.
You have a good imagination 😂
@@tonymartinez457 Challenge the info I posted there. Go try to prove that info wrong. Whether you do or don't, you will end up learning things that make your mind fly apart like glass ;-)
your right there we store food there to for red cross send with are trucks when need there ones with a bee hive on them church give 55.8 millions for releaf
Imagine we get wiped and future humans or aliens find this through archeology and conclude that we were all mormons. What a shame 😂😂
I remember watching a "Whicker's World" episode about this in 1975...fascinating....
Bro, come join rhe church! You are intelligent and have a good heart. Just read rhe Book if Mormon and pray about. For real brother, you would ve a great member of the church. 🤙🏾
What a ridiculous false "Church"!
3:16 Who is going to dig up a body to dip in holy water?!
no one why use live bodys lol
I actually had a guy tell me that to do dna matching you had to dig up the bodies to test. lol. Nothing to do with the Granite mountain vaults or baptism but it was funny!
The best documentary abiut the mormons is that south park episode
Does a pair of Mormon missionaries show up on the ‘other side’ and spend a few minutes discussing what’s wrong with their heaven? The Mormons are up to something else. I’m sure it has to do with more power and riches in the long run.
People that have passed on are taught the gospel, yes.
Christ taught that you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven unless you have been born of water (baptized).
The idea of proxy baptism far predates LDS theology by the way. It even predates the catholic church.
You can find proxy baptism all over first century christian records like the Dead Sea Scrolls (which were discovered 120 years after Joseph Smith restored Jesus Christ's church).
It's mentioned in the Bible as well so it's not a new idea.
Christ’s work continues after this life for those who have passed away so yes, missionaries teach those who are dead.
LDS/ cult
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I was raised mormon, and as a teen we all used to take trips to the nearest temple and spend hours doing baptism by-proxy. At no point were we ever baptised for anyone that we were connected to, just random names of the deceased. They seem to just horde records and baptise everyone they can. Some sort of 'patriarch' just prays over the names, and decides that they've accepted 'the gospel' in one of the lower kingdoms.
Very interesting. Thanks for the first hand account.
I'm curious, was it other Mormons you were proxy baptizing or everyday folk who had passed? I'm not religious, but it would definitely give me the fizz to know that total strangers were having a ceremony just for me.
@@KSMvidcast None of them would have been Mormons, guaranteed. Mormons would have already been baptised at 8yrs old, or on conversion. That's why genealogy is so crucial for them. It's like they're harvesting souls and fabricating consent.
I recall my parents 'doing the work' for all my deceased family. Every one of them that I remember alive were disgusted with Mormanism, and we were alienated a fair bit.
You must not understand. Maybe you aren't an active member and don't know exactly how it works.
This is actually not accurate at all.
First, the “random” names you were doing baptisms for were actually the names of the family members and ancestors of other members of the church who had researched and found them. Just because you didn’t know who they were doesn’t mean they were just random names. They are the family of individuals who researched them and then took those names to a temple and asked for someone to do the proxy baptism for them.
Second, there is no “patriarch” or any other person who proclaims that a deceased individual has accepted, declined or placed in some “lower kingdom”. That is just frankly completely made up. No one proclaims anything, the work is done and the belief is that that individual for who the work was done will be able to choose if they accept that baptism but no one ever claims that they did or that they did not accept it. By the way, the doctrine of Baptisms for the Dead is a biblical doctrine and was practiced anciently as recorded in Corinthians 15:29
Lastly, the last 2 verses of the Old Testament prophesy that in the last days the prophet Elijah would appear and:
5. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
That prophecy is believed by Latter-day Saints to refer to the genealogical research and mapping of ancestors to afford every person who has ever lived on the earth who desires baptism and salvation an opportunity to receive it lest all of those billions of people who never heard of Christ in their lifetime are just lost.
So the question for the other Christian faiths, what happens to those people who lived and died having never heard of Jesus Christ? And are you doing anything to try and help them?
Your missing out. Read the Book of Mormon, find Crist.
Learn to spell.
Find CHRIST, not Joseph Smith!
@@joebidebThis might not age well. Joseph was a Prophet who taught more and revealed more about Christ than any previous dispensary Prophet besides the Savior Himself. Be careful not to metaphorically stone Christ's Prophets.
@@xrpreacher6000 Obama!
Proof please
@@joebidebStart with the fact that we pray to Jesus Christ, not Joseph Smtih. Then continue with the fact that the Book of Mormon has more names and titles of Christ mentioned inside it than the Bible. Finally, ask any Mormon about who they worship. You’ll get your answer every time.
@@DavidPeel-fo9xv
I was a mormon for 60 years!
I know ALL ABOUT IT!
You can pull the nail out of the cross but you still have the hole it made.
jest like jesus hands
"The Church OF Jesus Christ OF LATTER DAY SAINTS" Their name says they have their own MADE UP Jesus. Made up by them. Not the Jesus of the Bible. And if you study their beliefs, you see this is true. Jesus, of the Bible, was very particular about who people believed he was.
Pretty sure Jesus Christ is not on board with a council of corrupt men who came up with the doctrine of the trinity 325 years after His crucifixion. I mean you realize that your entire understanding of the nature of God the Father and Jesus Chris is not a biblical doctrine but rather dictated by 318 bishops who had a very secular debate about it right?
@@Agate_Island It is pretty interesting how they came up with the trinity concept by combining teachings of the Bible with paganism.
Crazy crazy people
plagiarized material
Believing that heaven has different levels is a weird concept. Almost Scientology-esque, but before it's time.
It's true. LDS theology has a lot in common with Scientology. I've also heard us compared to Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism, Islam and many other religions. We share much in common with everybody it seems!
I tend to think of it more in terms of “vibration”. We will vibrate in spirit form with what we align with or vibrate towards. IMHO