That has to be an interesting thought process: wtf is this build? I feel like I've seen this somewhere oh goddammit this is uthermal doing his bullshit ...I'm gonna end up on youtube, aren't I?
Part of that insane supply count is coz your units being trained in gates instead of being warped, so they stay inside the gates for another 30 seconds but already counted. Anyway, great games! I didnt realised how i was addicted to your daily uploads :(
Doesn't make any difference. When you warp, it also counts the supply in the exact same moment. When you have 100 minerals and click on zealot. The insane supply is because he's focused on making units non stop. Just that. warping or not makes no difference.
@@IamHopers subtract warping time from training time. That would be a time where your supply is ahead of actual units you control, compared to warp gates case. Ofc you need to actually build these units, therefore i said "part of".
I'm betting the second match will end up in harstem's inbox "toss is imba or do i suck" videos sent by the terran, seeing the holy toss army at his doorstep.
This is an impressive demonstration that "Just having more stuff" is a pretty good strategy. Not a lot of fancy tech or upgrades or whatever. Just lots and lots of stuff.
I think the benefits of not having to warp in an focus more on macro and micro really benefits this strategy. Basically your gates are never idle. Yes you need more gates because of the slower production rate but early game you will have more money and are able to expand faster and more
Are you planning on doing more of this series? I had been hoping for a long time to see a no warpgate run and was so excited when this series started. I would love it if more of this series was done!
I havnt watched must uthermal as it's a lot of beating up on people way below your skill. But I saw this and was absolutely inspired and it's been so good to absolutely abuse vs zerg. They seem to be really caught in the idea that they're ahead that they get stomped by my silly mass colossus game plan. Thanks uthermal for the 8 easy wins yesterday.
I have to ssk, have you considered a timing +1 attack with zealot/sentry vs zerg and maybe even terran? You can open with a forge+ cannon, nexus first.
As proud Silver/Gold player I don't use warp gate at all. Void Rays/Tempest are the way to go. They shoot up and down and use a lot of supply so there is less stuff to both macro and micro. This is the way. I did play full Gateway games as well, warp gate is something that I don't want to learn. Will steal some of the strats from Marc if I cannot play Stargate for some reason.
If you skip the warp gate you should definitely try out some pylon first before probe builds as you can put down the proxy stargate around 1:56 which is quite bonkers
New challenge idea: Brood Lord rushes. I guess combine it with corruptors to defend them. And then there is the early game...I suppose you have to allow Lings, maybe Muta or just corruptors
I imagine that the loss of MMR is accepted with grace, for the pleasure of facing such of-meta builds. Very cool, even in a loss. How much more so with the big W!?
Could you maybe make mass mutas work, because you can outplay the oponent so well with harassment and even kill most of the armys! ❤ Nice Protoss challenge as well btw!
Can you do a no orbital command challenge? Or at least a no MULE challenge as you always say scans are expensive since scanning lost the income of the mule.
I never understood warp gates. When i protoss i don't use them cause you can make so much more without them. You give up so much production to warp wherever you want
If you ever compete again. I want you to do only 1, 2 and 3 base all-in builds(follow ups allowed when it fits). Roll for which timing(1,2,3) before the match, pick your Race+build(or random race) and go to town. You play best when you don't even know what your strategy is (lol). I think 1,2,3 base builds give you enough variety so your opponent can't always hard counter your turbo cheese. (I suppose some builds like nuke-spam don't need to be All-ins, just hard timings) Cannon rushes, prism+immortal micro, factory in the main base, battlecruiser+blue flame rushes, skyToss+Mothership bombs, Nuke spam, thor drop, PROXY REAPER(i thought this was your main build :( ,,,etc.
Being able to warp-in gives you the units right away. If your being attacked you can have units right then to defend as opposed to waiting for them to produce.
Warp gate makes your units produce faster than they would otherwise I think Spawn anywhere you have pylon power and build instantly. For example if I am max and my units die then I can instantly reinforce instead of waiting
The cooldown difference varies per unit, but warpgate is about 25% quicker on average. There is a complete table for all the units on the Liquipedia page of the Warp Gate.
There's theoretically a small advantage in that if you are just focused on spamming units out and keeping the queue active, instead of waiting for a good moment to warp in units, you may end up with more consistent production.
uThermal MMR 6692, BigGame MMR 3823, predetermined outcome it seems to me. I love the challenges and his amazing energy and gameplay and commentary, but it's so gross to know how lopsided the matchup is.
skipping a 50/50 upgrade as the only restriction does feels rather insignificant if the focus is not on gateways. its it's like playing stimless to grandmaster and just playing mech, starport, etc
I don't know, I understand Marc is just so much better that nothing matters, but I feel like TvP is just completely broken in LOTV. I know pro terrans can make it work, but with all the early game options protoss has they can just take the third nexus off no units at all, doesn't feel like a fair game for terran.
Relatively new watcher here, I hope you don't continue with "Coming Up" segments at the beginning of your videos, it's so tacky, and just diminishes the impact when you get to that part of the video, please reconsider. Your videos are fine like you've been doing them, there's no need to change.
The thumbnail is awful. Also shouldn't you build gateways (at least later ones) a bit more forward instead of tucking some of them behind gasses in the main?
That Oracle is an MVP. Carried the whole game. Deserves a promotion to admiral and reassignment Carrier. And survived till the end 💪😎
He was, in fact, tragically felled from the skies at 19:58
everyone's trying to kill him!
@@foresttdog respect 🫂
Frankly, who let this man cook up potentially an even more oppressive protoss
9:12 "Is this the uThermal no gateway thing?"
Yeah, I mean, building gateways is too meta for Marc so we don't do that here :D
We only probe rush in this house
I'm the Zerg in that video and realized it was him about halfway through and panicked and forgot to build roach speed. LOL meant no warpgate.
@@notalbertpotatolol, just goes to show how uncommon no warp gate is
That has to be an interesting thought process:
wtf is this build?
I feel like I've seen this somewhere
oh goddammit this is uthermal doing his bullshit
...I'm gonna end up on youtube, aren't I?
@@coasterphreak that was it pretty much. And then me going "welp I died so fast it might not make it to video"
Part of that insane supply count is coz your units being trained in gates instead of being warped, so they stay inside the gates for another 30 seconds but already counted.
Anyway, great games! I didnt realised how i was addicted to your daily uploads :(
Doesn't make any difference. When you warp, it also counts the supply in the exact same moment. When you have 100 minerals and click on zealot.
The insane supply is because he's focused on making units non stop. Just that. warping or not makes no difference.
@@IamHopers subtract warping time from training time. That would be a time where your supply is ahead of actual units you control, compared to warp gates case. Ofc you need to actually build these units, therefore i said "part of".
First dude was such a sport. Getting destroyed never been so fun 😂
I'm betting the second match will end up in harstem's inbox "toss is imba or do i suck" videos sent by the terran, seeing the holy toss army at his doorstep.
This is an impressive demonstration that "Just having more stuff" is a pretty good strategy. Not a lot of fancy tech or upgrades or whatever. Just lots and lots of stuff.
I like it when your opponents are classy. Hats off to the first opponent for being a chill bro.
crazy idea: make a brood war video
Maybe I will ^_^
Please do!🙂
but play like an sc2 player LOL
But play it like SC2 😂
Didn't get a chance to catch it this morning, but I'm excited to finally see this ep
There's an interesting timing, because you can create a unit in the gateway, inmediately turn it into a warpgate and then no cooldown for warping in.
200 supply at 8:00.... Yet based on the preview picture, one gateway that can't get any units out of....
Also I didn’t see the supply at 200 at 8 minutes in either game. Did I miss something?
This play-style is crazy. Love to see it.
Love to see you play protos,you play smoother than your main race now.thats mine humble opinion 😊
I think the benefits of not having to warp in an focus more on macro and micro really benefits this strategy. Basically your gates are never idle. Yes you need more gates because of the slower production rate but early game you will have more money and are able to expand faster and more
What if when you went for the fast third Nexus you make it a hidden base?
maybe to finish games, instead of sending a probe to make a pylon, they can make a proxy nexus to recall to?
Are you planning on doing more of this series? I had been hoping for a long time to see a no warpgate run and was so excited when this series started. I would love it if more of this series was done!
Ohh nice I was waiting for a follow up of this I can’t wait to watch !
I havnt watched must uthermal as it's a lot of beating up on people way below your skill.
But I saw this and was absolutely inspired and it's been so good to absolutely abuse vs zerg. They seem to be really caught in the idea that they're ahead that they get stomped by my silly mass colossus game plan. Thanks uthermal for the 8 easy wins yesterday.
A bit of sadism peeked out in this episode. The futur opponents are going to suffer. XD
Thanks for the fun. ^^
Dude I waited so long for part two more please
Seemingly enjoy these videos a lot despite my dislike for protoss. You make it entertaining!
Same. Marc makes even the Protoss games fun :)
Love the series keep it going, really fun to watch
When I need to just get away.....uthermal channel.
technically you can make some warp gates(not for challenge ofc) to use it with warp prism, while making units in normal gateways
I have to ssk, have you considered a timing +1 attack with zealot/sentry vs zerg and maybe even terran? You can open with a forge+ cannon, nexus first.
As proud Silver/Gold player I don't use warp gate at all. Void Rays/Tempest are the way to go. They shoot up and down and use a lot of supply so there is less stuff to both macro and micro. This is the way. I did play full Gateway games as well, warp gate is something that I don't want to learn. Will steal some of the strats from Marc if I cannot play Stargate for some reason.
BEST PROTOSS BUILD AND NO WAPR GATE IN THE SENTENCE I LOVE YOU BUDDY
do you think that no warp gate early game and only getting it late or mid game would be best? you got a large army fast
5 gateways and 1 pylon to power them all!
Now you can only make brood war units!
Did you try +1 air weapons at warp gate timing for mind games and early game boost? Sounds nasty!
If you skip the warp gate you should definitely try out some pylon first before probe builds as you can put down the proxy stargate around 1:56 which is quite bonkers
Protoss looks hilariously OP in first game!
Gas steal all the terran. Also, why not play with the classic BW skin for the buildings?
New challenge: get the protoss nerfed
@Harstem needs to try this
Uthermal can you make a serral breakdown? Like how he do his build or something?
So you play it like Brood War, I can respect that haha
Hey Marc, How to beat Serral with his zerg? Any options? 😊😊😊
Impossible
I love your Protoss builds!!!
Love this series!
No warp gate should be protoss mech to gm?
Terran-style protoss buildings
New challenge idea: Brood Lord rushes.
I guess combine it with corruptors to defend them.
And then there is the early game...I suppose you have to allow Lings, maybe Muta or just corruptors
I imagine that the loss of MMR is accepted with grace, for the pleasure of facing such of-meta builds. Very cool, even in a loss. How much more so with the big W!?
Go to 200 supply as soon as possible one game! Wanna see what it looks like
Man this does look strong. ❤
I just did the second build twice but with warpgate (at some point) and destroyed a 5.8 terran both times lol its actually sick
Try half warp gates half normal production. Bet it would be invincible.
Could you maybe make mass mutas work, because you can outplay the oponent so well with harassment and even kill most of the armys! ❤ Nice Protoss challenge as well btw!
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
it's hard to imagine an RTS better than SC2.
Can you do a no orbital command challenge? Or at least a no MULE challenge as you always say scans are expensive since scanning lost the income of the mule.
losing the oracle at the end 😭
Nice video
I never understood warp gates. When i protoss i don't use them cause you can make so much more without them. You give up so much production to warp wherever you want
I tried to get a image of a anthropomorphic octopus tending to her garden in the shade and they are too risqué
What too much anime does to a mfer
@@andrewduan5123 It’s part of a Beatles’ song
“I like to be
Under the sea
In a octopus’s garden
In the shade”
21:37 :D
do photon cannon only, no rush 5, 200 probes
Upgrade rush on random!
If you ever compete again. I want you to do only 1, 2 and 3 base all-in builds(follow ups allowed when it fits). Roll for which timing(1,2,3) before the match, pick your Race+build(or random race) and go to town. You play best when you don't even know what your strategy is (lol).
I think 1,2,3 base builds give you enough variety so your opponent can't always hard counter your turbo cheese. (I suppose some builds like nuke-spam don't need to be All-ins, just hard timings)
Cannon rushes, prism+immortal micro, factory in the main base, battlecruiser+blue flame rushes, skyToss+Mothership bombs, Nuke spam, thor drop, PROXY REAPER(i thought this was your main build :( ,,,etc.
Please tell me the time difference between warp in with cooldown and building a unit directly from the gateway.
Being able to warp-in gives you the units right away. If your being attacked you can have units right then to defend as opposed to waiting for them to produce.
Warp gate makes your units produce faster than they would otherwise I think
Spawn anywhere you have pylon power and build instantly. For example if I am max and my units die then I can instantly reinforce instead of waiting
So he is handicapping himself
The cooldown difference varies per unit, but warpgate is about 25% quicker on average. There is a complete table for all the units on the Liquipedia page of the Warp Gate.
There's theoretically a small advantage in that if you are just focused on spamming units out and keeping the queue active, instead of waiting for a good moment to warp in units, you may end up with more consistent production.
uThermal MMR 6692, BigGame MMR 3823, predetermined outcome it seems to me. I love the challenges and his amazing energy and gameplay and commentary, but it's so gross to know how lopsided the matchup is.
I like this.
21:37 :)
Is this the protoss but actually zerg strategy?
amazing. uthermal continual delivering GOAT tier content
NGL warp gate always did seem like a waste of time for anything other than positioning.
Let's go!
Bro you be building pylons so randomly and running 4+ gates off 1 pylon. Easy way to shut you down
I feel like this challenge should be Gateway units only, not just no Warp Gate.
gg
Big game another BW name. Big game hunters.
Ever?? 😂
skipping a 50/50 upgrade as the only restriction does feels rather insignificant if the focus is not on gateways. its it's like playing stimless to grandmaster and just playing mech, starport, etc
🤩
Can someone write this down pls
Need dual oracle 1 shot scv
I don't know, I understand Marc is just so much better that nothing matters, but I feel like TvP is just completely broken in LOTV. I know pro terrans can make it work, but with all the early game options protoss has they can just take the third nexus off no units at all, doesn't feel like a fair game for terran.
Relatively new watcher here, I hope you don't continue with "Coming Up" segments at the beginning of your videos, it's so tacky, and just diminishes the impact when you get to that part of the video, please reconsider. Your videos are fine like you've been doing them, there's no need to change.
Nah its fine, just skip it lol
The thumbnail is awful. Also shouldn't you build gateways (at least later ones) a bit more forward instead of tucking some of them behind gasses in the main?