I fucking love the idea "How old do you guys live?" "Man, I dunno. None of us have ever survived long enough to find out, but i'm the oldest one around."
@@attackofthecopyrightbotshe straight up said he’s never heard Geralt’s name pronounced out loud when Pat is constantly talking about the Witcher and almost always says his name when he does.
@@whitegemgames I've heard Pat saying Geralt for almost 8 years minimum IN THE PODCAST HE HAS SHARED WITH WOOLIE Woolie's ability to selectively vanish reality from his memory to suit either the current bit or his argument is genuinely fascinating.
Kiryu and Geralt are basically guys who are a year away from retirement and are trying to avoid getting any more work assigned to them before they can finally leave. Although, from what we've seen in the story trailer for Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth, that game seems to be taking Kiryu more towards the kind of old man they're discussing.
@@dawsondebell1603 "Ichiban, you're a rad guy, you've found how you're going to live your life and you're not letting anyone, even me, stop you. But I have a doctor's appointment at 3, I do not have time for your Dragon Quest induced mental disorders right now." *Receive You starts blaring and Kiryu obliterates some drunk spring break tourist who thought he was hot shit and started a fight* "Well if you're just gonna do that, that ain't fun..." "I literally have a foot in the grave Ichiban, and the other is on a banana peel"
Woolie getting how Gerald's name is pronounced wrong is completely understandable, but trying to cover his ass by going 'I've not heard it spoken before' when Pat had said his name like four times in the past ten minutes is INSANITY. His lies know no bounds. Woolie the Liar lives on, imposing his tyranny on the world.
Kratos honestly fits the old guy description, especially in the norse saga. I am aware of him being more than human, but that doesn't stop him from being grumpy all the time and have other people talk about Kratos not being in his prime.
while he definitely gives off tired old man energy in the norse saga I'd say the fact he is an immortal demigod disqualifies him, at least to me. The coolest thing about old characters is the fact that this is their last rodeo, their last hurrah, an immortal character just can't do that.
Kratos has huge old man energy because after fleeing Greece, his immediate plan is to just become a hermit in the woods forever and never interact with anyone ever again.
I think Pat already played this game before, but the Observer is a great example of playing as an old man who made a lot of bad choices, investigating the murder of his own son while trapped inside of a quarantined apartment building in a bleak cyberpunk future. You really get that feeling of a old men weary of life but still dedicated to finding the truth
Disco Elysium actually fits that pretty well. Harry may not be super old chronologically, but his self-destructive behavior and depression age him a _lot._
Lady Butterfly from Sekiro is an old assassin who trained the main character. There's also AC Syndicate's Jack the Ripper DLC where you play as the Jacob's sister, now much older.
I absolutely love Unohana from bleach. She's an ancient being, older than everyone but the head captain. Doesn't really look her age but speaks and acts like a sweet grandma, but literally every single soul reaper fears her like she's death incarnate, because she might as well be, below her fake sweet persona. She's the best.
I don’t remotely remember what it’s called, but there’s a game where you play as a super old woman walking down a path in a park. You get to a bench at the end, sit down, and die sitting up. 10/10 experience, really.
Weird that they have Old Snake as one of the shining example considering A. all that oldness is artificial clone stuff and B. He's still built and fit enough to have a lengthy fight scene with Ocelot at the end of the game
@ricardomiles2957 yeah but it's weird they don't want to count guys like Kiryu and Kratos even when they do show at different points that they are coming up in age at this point
@@alexalicea5481 Because Kratos is literally a god with no defined sense of mortality, sure Atreus makes jokes about him "Hurting his back" when hes STILL performing insane feats of strength. But Snake literally almost collapses after a 5 foot drop from a helicopter, its sad because this is same guy you've seen take a leap off a bridge several stories down onto a sea vessel and be relatively unphased by it. Kratos' loss of power has nothing to do with his age, but his departure from Greece as freya said, theres no tragic imminence of death, no withering flame that once kept the entire world alight still stubbornly flickering in its final moments.
The coolest thing about old characters to me is the fact that this is their last rodeo, their body simply won't hold out for much longer, to me that brings a very distinct somber quality to a story that nothing else can, so the whole "I'm old but also immortal" types ruin it for me. Also, the added badass factor of seeing a decrepit old man do cool shit is peak.
Playing an old, way out of his prime martial class character in dnd going in his last hurrah is one of the coolest character concepts possible. I picture a 60 something, gray beard, wrinkled face, sun damaged dude full of scars and possibly using a cane out of combat that can move normally while fighting but has to take a real breather after every battle, fighting against his own body. God I want to play one like right now.
Fire Emblem has a good showing of old men and women in its cast, if we're counting playable units in RPGs. The original Jagen is a guy who's whole deal is being a famous knight who's gotten super old, so he starts out stronger than the rest of your party to start with but all the young un's with high potential go on to outclass him. Marcus has a fun thing of being both dad-old and grandpa-old depending on which game he's in, and you also have characters like Niime and Lindon, who are really strong magic-users but are especially frail due to their age. Not to mention all boatload of elderly mages and priests in FE1 and 3. Everyone tends to point and laugh at all the literal child soldiers in Fire Emblem, but it's pretty full at the other end of the spectrum as well.
That one silver hair and beard dude from engage that is supposed to be super old but is like 50 lmao. Mycen from shadows of Valentia is probably the coolest old dude in a fire emblem game that I've experienced
The fact neither of them brought up Disco Elysium. Yes Harry is only 55 years old but there are actual, literal gameplay mechanics built around the fact his body and brain are super old and busted due to injury and addiction. Edit: As pointed out Harry is indeed only 43 years old, I misremembered as Kim is the one who *thinks* Harry is in his late fifties and makes comments to that effect. Still, even in his early 40's I firmly assert Harry is an old man protagonist.
A legit old man character is one that's 60+ and can't be too active at the risk of pulling something. Kratos and Geralt types don't count since they have their own forms of immortality that keep them in their 50's, even if they're starting to push it. It's easy to have an old character in any kind of game (mentors are a common route), but what Pat and Woolie kind of talked away from is what it takes to make one a main protagonist.
Heihachi’s only old in appearance, though. His age doesn’t seem to affect his fighting ability at all. If anything, he probably gets stronger with age.
For The Witcher and Geralts age, early on someone mentions he's nearly at 100, so from when he first merets Ciri to end of Witcher 3, he's around 86-99 👴
This was one of the things I liked most about the Splinter Cell games pre-Conviction, because they're always going on and on about how slow and how much of an old fuck Sam Fisher is. They even show it in the gameplay because he never does any unreasonable dramatic physical movements that an aging former SEAL would be incapable of, and when combat/interrogations do occur, Sam always takes the most efficient, least physically demanding route to completing the task at hand (this especially is shown in the interrogations, in which he relies more on being psychologically intimidating than he does on physical force, which kind of got ruined with Conviction and Blacklist, but that's a separate rant I won't go into).
Ezio in revelations arguably counts, it's definitely how the story wants him to be perceived but the fact that they didn't want to meaningfully change the gameplay really undermined it. He can't do a bunch of his old moves, that's fine we'll just give him the hook blade and now he can do them even better than the previous games. He's a tired old man but he needs to have kids for the story to make sense so here's a cute romantic subplot. The combat is easier than ever so he can still kill 100 guards by mashing Square. It's honestly a shame, that game would stand out a lot better if they leaned into the idea that he's weaker now and has to focus more on stealth and avoiding combat. but all we got was a slightly nerfed eagle vision.
I freaking screamed just like Pat when I heard Woolie say that I understood he meant he has not actively used the name so he hasn't internalized it but what he ended up saying was so funny
Game devs and the medium in general are relatively young. Give it a few decades and we'll get a bunch of games like this, just like how middle aged dads started cropping up a decade ago.
I’d say Kain from Legacy of Kain counts but only in Defiance. In Blood Omen 1&2 is younger though so he doesn’t count. I get that Vampires last thousands of years, but even by their standards Kain looks and acts like an old man in that game. He’s got more in common with Vorador from the original than his own past self by that point. Also whenever I think of Old Snake, I think of when you get the young Snake mask and it malfunctions because Meryl calls him old so it goes straight from like 30s to mid 80s.
It may be worth mentioning that in Assassin's Creed 3 there are sections where you play as the protagonist from the first game, Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad, really late into his life. One chapter(?) had him so old he could only walk and throw knives, and one chapter(?) where he seals himself away with the MacGuffin. I think you play as him walking up to the chair for his final rest in that part.
I'm glad this is the topic because lately I've been thinking about a hypothetical game where you're am ultra powerful wizard but you're old as fuck and the real challenge is just slowly walking to the next place.
Tellah from final fantasy 4, he is a retired sage who only remembers basic spells and has to use a special ability to recall more advanced stuff. He’s locked to a relatively small mp pool that leaves him out of steam if you don’t take breaks for him, and occasionally on leveling up his physical stats can decrease.
Chronos: Before the Ashes is a VR game where every time you DIE, you're character gets older, this decreses physical damage but increses magic damage as you become wise but frail.
I feel like this doesn't actually answer the spirit of the question, though, because the game doesn't actually tell stories, the stories are emergent and largely exist in the player's perception... and also, the older sims don't actually play appreciably differently to any other adult sim.
@@CaptainGCN Same reason I wouldn't count most RPGs where you can slap a wrinkle filter over your character's face. Like, yeah, the option's there, but rpg stories tend to assume the player character is young-ish. Old enough to have some skills, but young enough to still be discovering the world and extent of their own abilities. That's kind of the reason why old people don't tend to be protagonists, but mentors or spirit guides or whatever; because one tends to assume the old guys already had their character arc.
Man i read all those witcher books, i don't understand at all where Pat got this idea that Geralt isn't supposed to be handsome, everyone is throwing themselves at him constantly.
Frieren is literally about this but imo, the reason they use young looking people is simply because they are more body-able in a believeable fashion. The elderly, even in fantastical settings, are understandably too old to fight and thus the conflicts become more abstract and limiting. I know MGS4 exists but i dont think its the proof that makes other descision inexcusable
Not the main character but Fromsoft is always doing the final bosses that are "old man who survived where many die young" I look forward to the idea of having eventual sequels for stuff like with dmc, witcher, etc where the protagonist is just that grizzled old as hell dude who can wipe the floor with everyone even tho he looks like he is late to bingo.
Radagon and Elden Beast: wait, you guys fight old men? Shout-outs to Sekiro having an old female assassin, Lady Butterfly, as a boss, which doesn't get represented much in media.
I think there are a lot of potential games like this in combat heavy generes. And specifically in a semi-stealth games like Metro series. There is a great deal of cinema out there about "old dogs" - old men, way past their prime, doesn't have speed of a young self, but they have dedication and ferocity of old, will power. I can see a game where you go clear up a camp of bandits who stole some stuff from a local village and then have a respite amongst people, patting children on the head, drinking with young folks and stuff. And most importantly it's one game you can make about self sacrifice and not make it stupid. An old man solo fighting overwhelming forces, just to let others escape is a very big trope in media. The trick here is to make gameplay suitable for the character of this age and not make him jumping over walls and stuff.
I think old women are like a million times more rare than old men. The only ones that come to mind are Wynne from Dragon Age, a unit from that DS Valkyrie Profile game whose name I don't know and Ana from Overwatch (don't worry though, she came with a younger, sexier optional skin on release!). The thing is that old people, specially in fantasy settings, are usually just there as a stepping stone for the younger characters to go over. Narratives are never about the things old people go through from their point of view. I expect that, as developers and gamers get older, games willing to take that narrative and run with it are going to pop up more frequently.
I think the sad problem with representation of old women in media when it comes to Japan at least has to do with not being comfortable to depict women above 25, as to them, those are your golden years and you should get married before that (cause you're apparently not attractive afterwards for some reason according to the culture there.) It's part of a societal term called Christmas Cake if I remember right. Rather screwed up perspective to say the least.
Old Snake actively dying of old age throughout MGS4 will never not be interesting, but what's more interesting to me is that i guess Solid has rapidly aged to the point of being older than Big Boss because he got absolutely bodied by what is supposed to be an 80-90 year old man who was also supposed to be dead like it was nothing.
They shortened his telomeres Solidus is the only actual clone of Big Boss in the colloquial sense of the term, being a pure genetic recreation and also aging like 4 times faster than Solid and Liquid Solid and Liquid are genuinely his sons, Eva was used as a surrogate mother.
Ya know I wish the last Pirates of the Caribbean movie wasn't afraid of Johnny Depp aging as well as the character. He was still spry and agile and doing all these back flips and shit. I wish it was like he can barely bend forward and that now whenever he gets into conflict he has to use problem solving skills instead of fighting skills to get out of the situation. I think that would've been a lot more fun and interesting. You could still have the fun fighting with the new characters but change Jacks approach
The only game I know of where you can play as the old, and it has no real effect on gameplay, other than them dying, is Three Kingdom games. I once got Cao Cao to live 4 years beyond his death in 220, by keeping him in the capital and away from war and disease, I treated him like a fragile piece of porcelain (that is a Chinese pun, I'm allowed to make them, we get a pass for our own puns), but he's not telling stories about putting down the Yellow Turban Rebellion or whatever. But then again, kids die young in that game too, like "whoops, they got the plague, sorry about that." The disease part that was brought up by Woolie, I kinda wish gamed that. Pat mention his limp when he sleeps on his leg wrong, I have a permanent one because Crohn's disease destroyed my ankle. I would LOVE a game where the character is sick proper and it's a gameplay mechanic. Even asthma, and you gotta rush for your inhaler, that would be anxiety producing. Wait...it's be like durability in BotW....might not be fun.
Eh only thing I don’t like is that the creator of that game was on the podcast and basically said in a snarky way that red dead redemption is a shit game, lol said something about fans of that game think is perfect which is funny to him. Yeah I’m petty but screw him, not gonna buy his game after hearing that.
@@bajscast lol I know, I don’t agree with most of his takes on rockstar but I know they’re not perfect either, it sucks they gave up on rdr2’s multiplayer.
ive been replaying Ace Attorney showing it to my gf and when im looking at the character ages it makes me die inside, the oldest characters you see outside of like 2 exceptions are 30 or 31
The best part of MGS4 was the morale meter, where Sunny just bringing up The Eggs is enough to make your next mission more difficult. Snake has to do that whole sneaking mission knowing those eggs are gonna be waiting when he gets back.
If Vampires don't count, Kratos doesn't count. Just because he grew a beard, if you shaved that off he'd still look pretty much identical to how he looked hundreds of years ago in the previous games. He's still an immortal god. If Kratos counts just because he's grumpy and world-weary after everything he's experienced, then Vampires should definitely count.
What is the game that the person who wrote in made? I don't know how to spell their username to try and search for it and despite saying "Hey that game had limited scope and released, look how great that is!" Pat makes no mention of its title.
I'd have to agree that being "gruff old man that is more athletic than most 20 year olds" doesn't count as old. They're just doing old as an aesthetic. Geralt.. I'd say in-game (and that disastrous netflix show) he's very much a gigahunk, barely any fucking wrinkle to be found, and I can't say I noticed that "old man tiredness" Pat keeps mentioning. He's just a stoic with a bit of smugness to him. Ironically, Old Snake, despite not being actually old is a better fit.
So the factor in what constitutes an "old person" in gaming isn't just age or attitude, but senescence. People who have reached a point in their lives where their body is now winding down. Hence why Old Snake counts despite not being that old chronologically. And why anyone on the GDILF tier like Geralt is suspect.
In regards to what Daigo did in Y4... Most of the people I've seen are also angry about it for reasons similar yet opposite to Pat's. Usually it was from people who liked Daigo in Y2 and Y3, but saw his actions in 4 as character assassination only done so there would be another boss fight.
I fucking love the idea "How old do you guys live?"
"Man, I dunno. None of us have ever survived long enough to find out, but i'm the oldest one around."
This whole conversation just makes me wish Tony Hawk's Existential Nightmare was real
It's real, it just isn't a video game.
So here I am… lookin older all the time… getting older all the time…
I for one am glad he's doing alright considering all his body has been through.
He said it himself, he lives it everyday
aka THEN
Pat still calling out Woolie's lies, will never go out of style.
woolies not a liar he just talks about things he doesnt know anything about
@@attackofthecopyrightbotshe straight up said he’s never heard Geralt’s name pronounced out loud when Pat is constantly talking about the Witcher and almost always says his name when he does.
@@whitegemgames
"I literally said his name JUST NOW!"
Woolie just can't accept that something is his fault and shifts the blame onto others.
@@whitegemgames I've heard Pat saying Geralt for almost 8 years minimum IN THE PODCAST HE HAS SHARED WITH WOOLIE
Woolie's ability to selectively vanish reality from his memory to suit either the current bit or his argument is genuinely fascinating.
Kiryu and Geralt are basically guys who are a year away from retirement and are trying to avoid getting any more work assigned to them before they can finally leave. Although, from what we've seen in the story trailer for Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth, that game seems to be taking Kiryu more towards the kind of old man they're discussing.
Makes sense that he just skips ahead past the RPG mechanics because he's too old for this. Lol
@@dawsondebell1603
"Ichiban, you're a rad guy, you've found how you're going to live your life and you're not letting anyone, even me, stop you. But I have a doctor's appointment at 3, I do not have time for your Dragon Quest induced mental disorders right now."
*Receive You starts blaring and Kiryu obliterates some drunk spring break tourist who thought he was hot shit and started a fight*
"Well if you're just gonna do that, that ain't fun..."
"I literally have a foot in the grave Ichiban, and the other is on a banana peel"
Lisa the Painful. The horrible choice simulator of a man trying to rescue his daughter.
for a given value of rescue
I still think Brad is probably the most empathetic and even sympathetic old shit bag in video games, like he’s trying but god damn does he suck
Brad's the best
Yeah, he's not thaat old, but he is fucking fat and probably not much in shape.
LISA is like Nier Gestalt with more (?) exposed nipples and exponentially more sweat, it's great
Woolie getting how Gerald's name is pronounced wrong is completely understandable, but trying to cover his ass by going 'I've not heard it spoken before' when Pat had said his name like four times in the past ten minutes is INSANITY.
His lies know no bounds. Woolie the Liar lives on, imposing his tyranny on the world.
Kratos honestly fits the old guy description, especially in the norse saga. I am aware of him being more than human, but that doesn't stop him from being grumpy all the time and have other people talk about Kratos not being in his prime.
Idk how much id count that because he's a super human demi God
To be fair in their playthrough of God of War they did make the joke about Kratos being an fussy old man.
while he definitely gives off tired old man energy in the norse saga I'd say the fact he is an immortal demigod disqualifies him, at least to me.
The coolest thing about old characters is the fact that this is their last rodeo, their last hurrah, an immortal character just can't do that.
Kratos has huge old man energy because after fleeing Greece, his immediate plan is to just become a hermit in the woods forever and never interact with anyone ever again.
@@dumbino7745 What if the immortal person is forever really old and feels like they're going to die any second now but they physically just can't?
Psychonauts 2 is a game about helping a bunch of old people who are dealing with old people problems.
that old guy using garlic in vampire survivor.
Whose move speed is SPECIFICALLY lower than everyone else because he's old and just shuffling along.
I think Pat already played this game before, but the Observer is a great example of playing as an old man who made a lot of bad choices, investigating the murder of his own son while trapped inside of a quarantined apartment building in a bleak cyberpunk future. You really get that feeling of a old men weary of life but still dedicated to finding the truth
Disco Elysium actually fits that pretty well. Harry may not be super old chronologically, but his self-destructive behavior and depression age him a _lot._
In comparison to 90 percent of the cast Harry is an old fuck
Ok .. That's the biggest lie Woolie has ever told, lol
With hilarious video proof a couple of minutes before in the same bit.
Honestly there’s not enough badass old ladies in media; only one I can think of is Genkai from Yu Yu Hakusho.
Lady Butterfly from Sekiro is an old assassin who trained the main character. There's also AC Syndicate's Jack the Ripper DLC where you play as the Jacob's sister, now much older.
Eileen the Crow in Bloodbizzle
Kreia in KOTOR2, maybe not physically the strongest but she was insanely powerful as a force user.
There's an old lady who's a master martial artist in Rise of the Shield Hero but I think she's barely a step above background character.
I absolutely love Unohana from bleach. She's an ancient being, older than everyone but the head captain. Doesn't really look her age but speaks and acts like a sweet grandma, but literally every single soul reaper fears her like she's death incarnate, because she might as well be, below her fake sweet persona. She's the best.
Woolie's first instinct to being wrong is to try and figure out why it happened, regardless of if the theory holds any water
I don’t remotely remember what it’s called, but there’s a game where you play as a super old woman walking down a path in a park. You get to a bench at the end, sit down, and die sitting up.
10/10 experience, really.
Oh yeah! It was a super indie game like one person made it. Gosh I wish I remember the name of that game!
I think it was The Graveyard
Weird that they have Old Snake as one of the shining example considering A. all that oldness is artificial clone stuff and B. He's still built and fit enough to have a lengthy fight scene with Ocelot at the end of the game
I think they say pretty early on the game it's the muscles on his suit that are doing the job and Naomi says he should be dead at that point
@ricardomiles2957 yeah but it's weird they don't want to count guys like Kiryu and Kratos even when they do show at different points that they are coming up in age at this point
@@alexalicea5481 Because Kratos is literally a god with no defined sense of mortality, sure Atreus makes jokes about him "Hurting his back" when hes STILL performing insane feats of strength. But Snake literally almost collapses after a 5 foot drop from a helicopter, its sad because this is same guy you've seen take a leap off a bridge several stories down onto a sea vessel and be relatively unphased by it. Kratos' loss of power has nothing to do with his age, but his departure from Greece as freya said, theres no tragic imminence of death, no withering flame that once kept the entire world alight still stubbornly flickering in its final moments.
@@sasaki999pro Kiryu is an old fuck tho.
You're forgetting that Ocelot was in his 70s in that final fight, so the two of them are fighting about as well as two men at that age can.
The coolest thing about old characters to me is the fact that this is their last rodeo, their body simply won't hold out for much longer, to me that brings a very distinct somber quality to a story that nothing else can, so the whole "I'm old but also immortal" types ruin it for me. Also, the added badass factor of seeing a decrepit old man do cool shit is peak.
Playing an old, way out of his prime martial class character in dnd going in his last hurrah is one of the coolest character concepts possible.
I picture a 60 something, gray beard, wrinkled face, sun damaged dude full of scars and possibly using a cane out of combat that can move normally while fighting but has to take a real breather after every battle, fighting against his own body.
God I want to play one like right now.
Everyone in Red Dead Redemption feels old but then nobody makes it to 60 in 1886.
Hosea was probably up there.
By the time you've reached 20 you're already to the mid point of your life expectancy
60 was a pretty common age to reach at that time if you made it to adulthood, actually
Game takes place in 1911 where I’m sure the life expectancy was even higher but a bullet could cut that real short:
god pat righteoulsy screaming at woolie for lying is ALWAYS funny i love these guys
The Golden girls rpg is the persona game atlus is too cowardly to make
They know even the world arcana wouldn't match Betty whites true strength
Sophia doesn't have time for all of this drama, you start a fight with her she's just pulling out a Glock and turning you into Alex Murphy.
I am a hot flash. The true self!
Persona fans will never go for a game starring old ladies, they're way too much into underage characters.
@@tychoazrephet3794 so true
Fire Emblem has a good showing of old men and women in its cast, if we're counting playable units in RPGs. The original Jagen is a guy who's whole deal is being a famous knight who's gotten super old, so he starts out stronger than the rest of your party to start with but all the young un's with high potential go on to outclass him. Marcus has a fun thing of being both dad-old and grandpa-old depending on which game he's in, and you also have characters like Niime and Lindon, who are really strong magic-users but are especially frail due to their age. Not to mention all boatload of elderly mages and priests in FE1 and 3. Everyone tends to point and laugh at all the literal child soldiers in Fire Emblem, but it's pretty full at the other end of the spectrum as well.
That one silver hair and beard dude from engage that is supposed to be super old but is like 50 lmao.
Mycen from shadows of Valentia is probably the coolest old dude in a fire emblem game that I've experienced
@@wumbojet being 50 in a fantasy medieval setting is an achivement. Most dont live that long
Kiryu and Geralt are both two dudes who are desperately trying to ensure the next generation doesn't follow in their bloody footsteps.
Isn't Geralt 110yrs?
Call of Juarez: Gunslinger, you play as a guy in his 30's, but all the missions are flashback stories being told by the old man narrator.
The fact neither of them brought up Disco Elysium. Yes Harry is only 55 years old but there are actual, literal gameplay mechanics built around the fact his body and brain are super old and busted due to injury and addiction.
Edit: As pointed out Harry is indeed only 43 years old, I misremembered as Kim is the one who *thinks* Harry is in his late fifties and makes comments to that effect. Still, even in his early 40's I firmly assert Harry is an old man protagonist.
Oh shit yeah you're right.
You may want to check out the "Date of Birth Generator" thought, because Harry is nowhere near 55 years old.
Harry is in his 40s
The pronunciation of Henry Ca Ville is going Aw-Ree
I'm so glad Pat finally beat the Cried for Daigo allegations .
He is truly free now
A legit old man character is one that's 60+ and can't be too active at the risk of pulling something. Kratos and Geralt types don't count since they have their own forms of immortality that keep them in their 50's, even if they're starting to push it. It's easy to have an old character in any kind of game (mentors are a common route), but what Pat and Woolie kind of talked away from is what it takes to make one a main protagonist.
Whenever you play as an old character it's always a character who is enhanced by some something or a demi God
not enough Heihachi appreciation
Heihachi’s only old in appearance, though. His age doesn’t seem to affect his fighting ability at all. If anything, he probably gets stronger with age.
For The Witcher and Geralts age, early on someone mentions he's nearly at 100, so from when he first merets Ciri to end of Witcher 3, he's around 86-99 👴
This was one of the things I liked most about the Splinter Cell games pre-Conviction, because they're always going on and on about how slow and how much of an old fuck Sam Fisher is. They even show it in the gameplay because he never does any unreasonable dramatic physical movements that an aging former SEAL would be incapable of, and when combat/interrogations do occur, Sam always takes the most efficient, least physically demanding route to completing the task at hand (this especially is shown in the interrogations, in which he relies more on being psychologically intimidating than he does on physical force, which kind of got ruined with Conviction and Blacklist, but that's a separate rant I won't go into).
Everyone is forgetting old man altair. hes like 1oo when you play as him
Ezio too if you count the Embers short-film. You pretty much get to experience his life from birth to death.
i mean, i guess but they short segments, pretty much corridor sections with an AoE ability to compesate the lack of movement
ye, cuz he an old man. one of the the best old man segments imo@@ricardomiles2957
Ezio in revelations arguably counts, it's definitely how the story wants him to be perceived but the fact that they didn't want to meaningfully change the gameplay really undermined it. He can't do a bunch of his old moves, that's fine we'll just give him the hook blade and now he can do them even better than the previous games. He's a tired old man but he needs to have kids for the story to make sense so here's a cute romantic subplot. The combat is easier than ever so he can still kill 100 guards by mashing Square. It's honestly a shame, that game would stand out a lot better if they leaned into the idea that he's weaker now and has to focus more on stealth and avoiding combat. but all we got was a slightly nerfed eagle vision.
In the same vein. Surge 1 has you start out in a wheelchair, something i've never seen in any other game.
Crocodiles do indeed die of old age.
It's Lobsters that are theorized to have immortality if given infinite room to grow and sustenance.
I freaking screamed just like Pat when I heard Woolie say that I understood he meant he has not actively used the name so he hasn't internalized it but what he ended up saying was so funny
i know it's kinda awkward but i like "castles super beast" a lot
it's like "attornies general" or "notaries public"
Game devs and the medium in general are relatively young. Give it a few decades and we'll get a bunch of games like this, just like how middle aged dads started cropping up a decade ago.
I’d say Kain from Legacy of Kain counts but only in Defiance. In Blood Omen 1&2 is younger though so he doesn’t count. I get that Vampires last thousands of years, but even by their standards Kain looks and acts like an old man in that game. He’s got more in common with Vorador from the original than his own past self by that point.
Also whenever I think of Old Snake, I think of when you get the young Snake mask and it malfunctions because Meryl calls him old so it goes straight from like 30s to mid 80s.
I literally said in my head “kiryu’s getting there” a bit before pat said it, word for word
if only Woolie would read comments on youtube i would've left an example, probably sent a letter but it would be too long for a podcast.
Funny thing about Old Snake is that he should be chronologically 42 during MGS4. Yet off to the golden age tier he goes I guess.
Yeah he has artificial cancer
he's aging faster than the average human being
Being a clone does that shit
He has shortened telomeres due to gene editing, Solidus is the only pure genetic clone and ages even faster though
It may be worth mentioning that in Assassin's Creed 3 there are sections where you play as the protagonist from the first game, Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad, really late into his life. One chapter(?) had him so old he could only walk and throw knives, and one chapter(?) where he seals himself away with the MacGuffin. I think you play as him walking up to the chair for his final rest in that part.
You're thinking of Assassin's Creed Revelations.
@@leithaziz2716 Oops! My error, you are correct!
I'm glad this is the topic because lately I've been thinking about a hypothetical game where you're am ultra powerful wizard but you're old as fuck and the real challenge is just slowly walking to the next place.
Witcher 3 is the best example. The game literally ends with Geralt getting a home and retiring from his job with his wife or daughter. lol
Tellah from final fantasy 4, he is a retired sage who only remembers basic spells and has to use a special ability to recall more advanced stuff. He’s locked to a relatively small mp pool that leaves him out of steam if you don’t take breaks for him, and occasionally on leveling up his physical stats can decrease.
Don't know if it's mentioned, but Watch Dogs Legion lets you recruit elderly folk, and they play (and talk) like old folk to boot!
Chronos: Before the Ashes is a VR game where every time you DIE, you're character gets older, this decreses physical damage but increses magic damage as you become wise but frail.
ayy glad they mentioned Adios! after the first minute that was the game i immediately thought of
I dig the perspective his character brings to that game.
said to the tune of Old Man River
Remarai, to answer your questions, the Sims is what you are seeking. I was screaming internally how you can play as an old man in that game series.
I feel like this doesn't actually answer the spirit of the question, though, because the game doesn't actually tell stories, the stories are emergent and largely exist in the player's perception... and also, the older sims don't actually play appreciably differently to any other adult sim.
@@CaptainGCN Same reason I wouldn't count most RPGs where you can slap a wrinkle filter over your character's face. Like, yeah, the option's there, but rpg stories tend to assume the player character is young-ish. Old enough to have some skills, but young enough to still be discovering the world and extent of their own abilities.
That's kind of the reason why old people don't tend to be protagonists, but mentors or spirit guides or whatever; because one tends to assume the old guys already had their character arc.
Man i read all those witcher books, i don't understand at all where Pat got this idea that Geralt isn't supposed to be handsome, everyone is throwing themselves at him constantly.
Frieren is literally about this but imo, the reason they use young looking people is simply because they are more body-able in a believeable fashion. The elderly, even in fantastical settings, are understandably too old to fight and thus the conflicts become more abstract and limiting. I know MGS4 exists but i dont think its the proof that makes other descision inexcusable
Not the main character but Fromsoft is always doing the final bosses that are "old man who survived where many die young"
I look forward to the idea of having eventual sequels for stuff like with dmc, witcher, etc where the protagonist is just that grizzled old as hell dude who can wipe the floor with everyone even tho he looks like he is late to bingo.
Radagon and Elden Beast: wait, you guys fight old men?
Shout-outs to Sekiro having an old female assassin, Lady Butterfly, as a boss, which doesn't get represented much in media.
(X) prompt was successful, that was some fine detective work, Phelps
Disco Elysium Detective is an expression of pain, Planescape torment is an old corpse, Max Payne is a tired old man, BJ in the last wolfenstien,
Doesn't Gollum count? He's a little more spry than the average grandpa but he's got the look.
We don't talk about Gollum
i feel like his "wacky gremlin creature" vibe overshadows any potential "granpa" energy.
Woolie the Liar; Lets the legend come back to life
I think there are a lot of potential games like this in combat heavy generes. And specifically in a semi-stealth games like Metro series. There is a great deal of cinema out there about "old dogs" - old men, way past their prime, doesn't have speed of a young self, but they have dedication and ferocity of old, will power. I can see a game where you go clear up a camp of bandits who stole some stuff from a local village and then have a respite amongst people, patting children on the head, drinking with young folks and stuff. And most importantly it's one game you can make about self sacrifice and not make it stupid. An old man solo fighting overwhelming forces, just to let others escape is a very big trope in media.
The trick here is to make gameplay suitable for the character of this age and not make him jumping over walls and stuff.
The grizzled old vet is my favorite archetype. Joel, Kratos, Sebastian, and Max Payne are some of my favorites.
1:22 could someone spell that game out? Can't tell how to search for it from pat's pronounciation
"The Cat Lady", guys? Im sure one of them did an lp of that game.
I think old women are like a million times more rare than old men. The only ones that come to mind are Wynne from Dragon Age, a unit from that DS Valkyrie Profile game whose name I don't know and Ana from Overwatch (don't worry though, she came with a younger, sexier optional skin on release!).
The thing is that old people, specially in fantasy settings, are usually just there as a stepping stone for the younger characters to go over. Narratives are never about the things old people go through from their point of view. I expect that, as developers and gamers get older, games willing to take that narrative and run with it are going to pop up more frequently.
oh, i forgot about Wynne. good remembering
I think the sad problem with representation of old women in media when it comes to Japan at least has to do with not being comfortable to depict women above 25, as to them, those are your golden years and you should get married before that (cause you're apparently not attractive afterwards for some reason according to the culture there.)
It's part of a societal term called Christmas Cake if I remember right. Rather screwed up perspective to say the least.
Old Snake actively dying of old age throughout MGS4 will never not be interesting, but what's more interesting to me is that i guess Solid has rapidly aged to the point of being older than Big Boss because he got absolutely bodied by what is supposed to be an 80-90 year old man who was also supposed to be dead like it was nothing.
They shortened his telomeres
Solidus is the only actual clone of Big Boss in the colloquial sense of the term, being a pure genetic recreation and also aging like 4 times faster than Solid and Liquid
Solid and Liquid are genuinely his sons, Eva was used as a surrogate mother.
if someone made a game exactly as described, people would call it a walking simulator.
The earthen heart sifu in Live A Live is a decent example both in narrative (searching for a successor) and in gameplay (can't earn exp )
Kiryu is def like old man/middle aged gaming
My favorite old man game is Adios
Galuf from FF V and Cid from FF XVI are one of the best old men in an RPG!
By Witcher 3 geralt is near or past 100. Vesemir is somewhere between 150-200, I need to re read the book the information online is very inconsistent
I think the Kane & Lynch games count, especially the second where theyre both balding and greyed and tired thru the entire game lol
Im shocked that no one is bringing up the fact that Jolee Bindo from Kotor is a crusty old jedi who talks about back in his day.
There's the Harman Smith parts of Killer 7,but that isn't much
Ya know I wish the last Pirates of the Caribbean movie wasn't afraid of Johnny Depp aging as well as the character. He was still spry and agile and doing all these back flips and shit. I wish it was like he can barely bend forward and that now whenever he gets into conflict he has to use problem solving skills instead of fighting skills to get out of the situation. I think that would've been a lot more fun and interesting. You could still have the fun fighting with the new characters but change Jacks approach
Shoutout to Henry Hatsworth in the thumbnail
There was that one old man from Siren.
I feel like Kings Quest 5 might count? King Graham in that one is pretty old.
I'd say Brad from Lisa. He's not THAT old but his whole thing is to be a broken old man going on a last trip
The Sexy Brutale is an old man game.
depends on how you define "old", but disco elysium. tequila sunset is like, 50 at the youngest.
He's in his mid-40s, but I still think he counts. Years of substance abuse and poor life choices have considerably aged him.
sam fisher
and then they gave him generic troy-baker voice in Blacklist.
The only game I know of where you can play as the old, and it has no real effect on gameplay, other than them dying, is Three Kingdom games. I once got Cao Cao to live 4 years beyond his death in 220, by keeping him in the capital and away from war and disease, I treated him like a fragile piece of porcelain (that is a Chinese pun, I'm allowed to make them, we get a pass for our own puns), but he's not telling stories about putting down the Yellow Turban Rebellion or whatever. But then again, kids die young in that game too, like "whoops, they got the plague, sorry about that."
The disease part that was brought up by Woolie, I kinda wish gamed that. Pat mention his limp when he sleeps on his leg wrong, I have a permanent one because Crohn's disease destroyed my ankle. I would LOVE a game where the character is sick proper and it's a gameplay mechanic. Even asthma, and you gotta rush for your inhaler, that would be anxiety producing. Wait...it's be like durability in BotW....might not be fun.
Hadn't heard of Adios. Sounds interesting, wishlisted for a sale for now.
Eh only thing I don’t like is that the creator of that game was on the podcast and basically said in a snarky way that red dead redemption is a shit game, lol said something about fans of that game think is perfect which is funny to him. Yeah I’m petty but screw him, not gonna buy his game after hearing that.
@@derpstick5467 Pat also thinks red dead redemption 2 is a shit game
@@bajscast lol I know, I don’t agree with most of his takes on rockstar but I know they’re not perfect either, it sucks they gave up on rdr2’s multiplayer.
"To the Moon" I feel fits that category. Wasn't a bad game at all from what i remember, more story than game though.
woolie over here changing the thumbnails
ive been replaying Ace Attorney showing it to my gf and when im looking at the character ages it makes me die inside, the oldest characters you see outside of like 2 exceptions are 30 or 31
Yanni Yogi? Oldbag? The Judge?
harmon from killer 7?
Kings quest 2015 is my favorite example.
Wait does Julius Belmont count even though you play as him in the extra game mode
HBO Joel counts a lot more than PS Joel.
The best part of MGS4 was the morale meter, where Sunny just bringing up The Eggs is enough to make your next mission more difficult.
Snake has to do that whole sneaking mission knowing those eggs are gonna be waiting when he gets back.
"When did the sun get so flat...?"
Old men
Running the world.
Nobody mentioned Sam Fisher in Splinter Cell Conviction
I kinda get what they mean tho. Pass that point
But still
If Vampires don't count, Kratos doesn't count. Just because he grew a beard, if you shaved that off he'd still look pretty much identical to how he looked hundreds of years ago in the previous games. He's still an immortal god.
If Kratos counts just because he's grumpy and world-weary after everything he's experienced, then Vampires should definitely count.
woolie the liar strikes again
What is the game that the person who wrote in made? I don't know how to spell their username to try and search for it and despite saying "Hey that game had limited scope and released, look how great that is!" Pat makes no mention of its title.
I'd have to agree that being "gruff old man that is more athletic than most 20 year olds" doesn't count as old. They're just doing old as an aesthetic.
Geralt.. I'd say in-game (and that disastrous netflix show) he's very much a gigahunk, barely any fucking wrinkle to be found, and I can't say I noticed that "old man tiredness" Pat keeps mentioning. He's just a stoic with a bit of smugness to him.
Ironically, Old Snake, despite not being actually old is a better fit.
Old men protagonists are still more common than old women protagonists.
So the factor in what constitutes an "old person" in gaming isn't just age or attitude, but senescence.
People who have reached a point in their lives where their body is now winding down. Hence why Old Snake counts despite not being that old chronologically.
And why anyone on the GDILF tier like Geralt is suspect.
Does Ezio count?
In regards to what Daigo did in Y4... Most of the people I've seen are also angry about it for reasons similar yet opposite to Pat's.
Usually it was from people who liked Daigo in Y2 and Y3, but saw his actions in 4 as character assassination only done so there would be another boss fight.
What did he do in Y4?