Been using a double prongbelt for ages now because i wear my belt higher for deads then for squats. Havent seen these adjustable leverbelts in the Netherlands yet, but looks good. Especially getting the belt off is sometimes a hassle with a prongbelt.
Thank you introducing this awesome product. I do own inzer lever belt and pioneer cut belt. I was able to use pioneer belt right away without breaking it down, whereas it took me several weeks to breakdown the inzer belt. I may certainly buy this lever and replace it in my inzer belt. Thanks
Just copped. Thanks for paying the shipping with the code Brandon. Can’t wait to use it on my 13 mm Inzer. I’ll be able to use my sweater and lift now lol
@n00bie same lmfao, after buying and building a home gym off a McDonald’s salary... shit I can’t afford to keep buying all these new things, and I keep finding more stuff I want
Greatest-est belt invention ever. I like wearing a lever belt for most lifts as a bracing reminder, but hate having to adjust the belt for specific PRs. Problem solved. Thank you Pioneer. God bless America.
Just ordered mine with your promo code. Thanks for the heads up, I've been waiting for this for a couple months. It's nice that they're offering the lever separately instead of baiting us into buying a new belt. The # in stock is dropping quickly on their website. Question though- my one concern with this type of lever is whether you can leave it unhinged without it falling off your waist. Like if you unhinge it just into the loose setting, will it fall off your waist? The nice thing about the old belt is that even if you flipped the lever to the loose setting, it will still be snug enough to not fall off your waist? Is this the case with the new lever? I guess this might depend on how tightly you wear the belt, but it'd be good to hear from you on this.
This is my only gripe I passed on to Pioneer. When unhinged the system can be undone if you bump something. I've found I put it on the largest setting and close it so it's very breathable yet won't come undone.
2:57 That chip on the lever was after how long of use? May get the silver one because of the fragile coating. Any other wear on it like scuffing or chipping of the hooks?
This is the only issue I noticed and passed on to Pioneer. Belt can come unclasped when loose between sets. I tend to put it on it's biggest setting and close it there instead.
I haven't had this problem. When you open it it might come loose, but it takes one second to put it back in the wave with it opened and then it stays in place fine.
I literally bought a cheap belt online from some random fitness store, for approx. $40. Still holds up after 2 years of use. Quality is really good, for that price; 11mm thick, quick-release prong-system. Been wondering about swapping it out for a Pioneer or SBD, but I honestly don't think there's any point, yet.
It came out to 125 canadian shipped, expecting to get a duty charge that should be another 25 to 50 dollars. I paid under 150 shipped for my inzer with a buckle, so paying the same amount as my entire belt for the buckle is where the remorse comes from Hoping I love it once I use it and it's worth the money. Everything else I've bought from them has lasted and I still like / use even years later.
@@BasementBrandon Whould have been nice if you whould have measured it in the review. Just a tip to consider next time :) But its sad that Pioneer doest show these information on the product site.
look like its gonna be a great item.... my concern would only be and this would be something tested over time of use, is the prongs that go into the adjustable side breaking from pressure.
About 6 weeks into my SBD belt & im loving it so far. Broke in like a glove. However I’m surprised how terrible it’s held up cosmetically & even functionally. When you unclip the lever it rubs against two spots of the leather & actually digs into it causing it to tear. Ended up using gorilla tape to stop that. All in all I think pioneer would be an better option for sure & I’ll eventually get one lol
@@connorwilliamson3729 I probably should, but honestly wear & tear seems inevitable. Seems like the belt is made for performance more so than longevity. Which is fair.
Sounds like just your belt I have never had any issues from tears of any kind they are pretty much life time guarantee and most reviews I read when buying one mentioned this
Used your code for stoic knee sleeves. Can’t wait to use them, been using some random no name brand and they have gotten really worn out and don’t really even help.
Are pioneer belts approved. ? Never have competed but mite soon in usapl. I'm guessing my lillibridge wraps by pioneer are. Great company so far. Great customer service.
For local meets they're fine, just in regionals or nationals you likely can't wear them. However they make products for A7 and IronTanks who paid the fee, so you can wear those versions.
My old starting belt I've been using for years finally broke(cheap amazon one) so I was just looking at investing in a pioneer or SBD. Since this is just the buckle, would you recommend just getting their regular lever belt & switching it out? Or do they or anyone else make 13mm belts without any hardware I could attach it to?
Dan Bell has this belt and it came undone on him at the bottom of a Squat. Now I don't think any of us will squat as much as he does but I'll just play it safe and stick with my SBD belt.
That was on one of the prototypes however (he helped test them). Before they went to double pins and with different angels. He's hit 1000+lbs in them multiple times since!
Great review, appreciate the insight. Been waiting for this lever for a while but have a slight concern after watching the instructional video on the Pioneer site. As Matt is screwing on the back plate for the part where the lever prong will latch on to, he says it may stick out a bit. But since that part of the belt ends up being the outer layer on the overlap, shouldn't matter too much (I guess meaing it won't jab into you). But my concern, admittedly probably just a cosmetic one, is as you close the lever and the two ends of the belt slide across each other, whether the back plate will scruff up the surface of the belt it may come in contact with. My belt is all leather (i.e. no suede covering) and while a worn in leather is a cool look, wouldn't want it too scratched up.
I'm looking into buying my first belt, and from past experience I fall between holes on many that I've tried. Looking forward to the comparison to the pioneer cut. I've also seen that inzer has a pr ratcheting belt for a similar price thats ipf approved. Has anyone had any experience with it?
Im trying to decide between pioneer lever or a rogue leather lever belt. Which would you rec? Also i git a basement gym too. Better temp control. Basement>garage
What's the deal with fed (e.g. ipf) approval if you say swap out this lever onto an inzer lever belt? Also how easy is it to put on an inzer belt hole-wise.
If your in the IPF it prob won't be allowed b/c the IPF wants money for it even though Pioneer makes IPF approved belts (A7 & Iron Tanks). If you're usapl, it should be fine for any meet outside of maybe nationals.
I have seen some cheap lever belts on ebay. Would consider doing a review on them? One that I am looking at now is the brand deagle. Im assuming that they are just Chinese replica stuff but if its the exact same thing as the expensive name brands, I rather spend less. Thanks.
Eh I'm not really interested, I get emails from companies overseas all the the time who want to send me theirs. they use low quality leather that gets way too pliable over time for my liking.
Hi, thanks for the video! I’m getting this pioneer adjustable belt (too bad i just missed the discount for it). Question… Should I get the 3” or 4” size? I’m 5’2” and want to use mainly for deadlifts, but also squats.
So this is just for a lever, next month they'll be selling the option to buy them on a belt already. For right now it's really for people who own a belt already.
My curiosity would be how well the prong mechanism thing would hold up.. I mean, it’s not going into holes like the SBD lever does. It seems like the SBD design would be more stable. Any thoughts on this?
Do you know if when they make it an option to buy PAL with a belt it will be cheaper than buying a belt and PAL now? Since now it's gonna be 180$ together...
Sorry to bother, but would you be able to measure the PAL buckle movement range in centimeters or inches? Meaning how much is the tightening (minimum...maximum) range as SBD belt buckle pulls exactly 8 cm. I have not got this information from anywhere, even A7Europe can not provide that information :(
@@BasementBrandon Yeah like if you close the mechanism, what is the distance that it pulls the leather slabs to go underlapping each other? Like if SBD mechanism is open in some/any hole, then you close it, it tightens 8 cm / little over 3". In PAL lever you have like 2" adjustment between 0,5" but what is the minimum/maximum pull of that lever mechanism :)
I’m amazed at how many people complain about the price of the SBD belt $227 when they’re buying all sorts of things at a mark up like bars, dumbbells, weights, shoes, etc.. The SBD belt is a quality belt that will last you for the rest of your life so you only have to buy it once rather than buying several different belts. Sometimes spending on a quality product is necessary. Just look at how many people by Rogue instead of Titan. At the end of the day, it comes down to what you would rather have supporting you under an extreme heavy load. The pioneer is an excellent belt and will do the job. The SBD will too as a premium option. It’s great there’s more options now.
99.9% of the population will be served by this really well. You can still buy a prong belt. I’ve been on the same prong hole for 10kgs of weight gain, just can’t see how you would need more options.
I would say it depends on where you want to be in the future. If you imagine you'll gain some weight, go bigger. If you think you'll diet down ever, go down. You can also work with Pioneer to cut the belt so it's right in the middle of your waist line.
@@BasementBrandonsorry to bother lol so for the double suede belt black garment leather is a choice of color for outside of belt do you think that would be good choice or just the standard black suede color
I think it depends on if you want room to grow or not. I'm around that size and wear a medium but if I got any bigger it would be a stretch to fit. So size up for room to grow, or go Medium if you're at your assumable biggest waist.
@@BasementBrandon If you are around 34", why do you think if you get any bigger then size medium would be stretch to fit (leather slab ends not reaching each other and underlapping in open position -> worse to use?)? If you would gain 2 or 3", would it still be usable? Both A7 and Pioneer customer services and size tables are saying size medium for me as I am 37...38" but I am really considering buying large as I use XL in SBD but would like to have half inch increments... For all to know, a7 and pioneer in size M has slab length 104 cm and size L has 114 cm. SBD in XL is 114,5 cm. Really would like to see know that when that medium belt adjusted to 93 cm in closing position and then open, is there a gap between leather slab ends and then you have to put them right over each other before closing again so the ends won't collide and mechanism stucks... as mechanism movement is like 8 cm. I really believe that medium is useless near 40".
Hey man I got the medium my waist is about 94 cm or 35-37 inch I can fit with 1 hole left to get bigger tried with 2 holes left to get bigger but feels a bit tight. Should I stick with the medium or switch to large and is there any downsides with more overlap from bigger belt I am 79 and going to do cut and bulk cycles around 74-79 I think maybe in the future if i go up to 82s will bulk more atm plan to compete at 74s
This is going to be more preference. Do you want more room for smaller holes or more room for bigger holes? I like less overlap on the belt when possible, but again it's more just preference. You may also be able to send Pioneer your measurements and request that your actual waist be made the middle hole, and they'll cut accordingly.
Might just buy one for my inzer belt. Can you tell your buddies at pioneer to waive off the shipping/customs charges for me as I live in the UK?? 😭😂 Is this now your go to belt?
If I have a strength shop lever belt, which is IPF approved, and buy the pioneer adjustable lever and use it with my strength shop belt, will it still be IPF approved?
I’m a lever person. Although I would still use my pioneer cut prong when I travel in the past bc I find my weight fluctuates a lot on the road. This new lever should solve that issue.
Im from spain. It will cost 45$+fees and taxes+ the belts prize. So, it will cost 220 bucks. Is pioneer that good in your opinion? Sbd will cost 200. Titan (brahma) 160. What would you do in my case?
@@BasementBrandon Thank you for the reply! I was looking for a weightlifting belt, since I already have the lever do you have any recommendations for a belt?
@@BasementBrandon I think I'll just ask for 1" hole spacing. I can get a dyed lever belt for 150 and the buckle for 60, still less than an SBD and wayyy nicer. I'll keep you posted
of course I just got my pioneer cut one sent to me just when they announced this.....sigh....thats always the way it goes. These guys make some sick belts though, damn its nice.
@@BasementBrandon it’s alright I used another powerlifters prong belt for college nationals 2020. My hamstrings almost fell off my leg but I made it to the end!
As a funny aside, I prob shouldn't have shown my red and black belt when saying how you're locked into those colors with SBD lol.
I was chuckling at that when you were talking about the SBD belt. 🤦♂️🤣
Do you know if this lever is adaptable to the rogue 13mm lever belt?
@@austen1115 It is.
What size is your belt and what size is your abdominal diffently wanna get one of Pioneer belts
@@titogonzalezpimping Medium and I'm a size 33 waist
A smaller hole is always better than a bigger hole ... zing.
I'm getting good at working these in without missing a beat!
@@BasementBrandon 🤣🤣🤣
Too much Pornhub will ruin your life - be a muslim and save the world.
I was already looking at pioneer for my new belt. This is it.
Good timing lol
Pioneer is the shit. I love my Pioneer Cut
Im getting another one just bc i love it so much but i wasnt sure if i wanted the lever and now i must
This man is a king, used the code. Can't wait to have this on my 13mm pioneer.
appreciated man
@@BasementBrandon basement gyms have to stick together. Garages are for toys.
Good luck breaking it in.
@@000elemental000 one of us, one of us.
Just ordered a 10mm stock belt with the v2 PAL and used your code. Much appreciated!
Awesome! Thank you!
I tried the promo code, it didn’t take!
I really admire your ability to make an innuendo in almost every single video
Got to get it in.
I just ordered mine and saved 10% with your coupon code BASEMENT. Thank you!!
You rock, thank you.
Been using a double prongbelt for ages now because i wear my belt higher for deads then for squats. Havent seen these adjustable leverbelts in the Netherlands yet, but looks good. Especially getting the belt off is sometimes a hassle with a prongbelt.
Have seen a few people get stuck lol
Thank you introducing this awesome product. I do own inzer lever belt and pioneer cut belt. I was able to use pioneer belt right away without breaking it down, whereas it took me several weeks to breakdown the inzer belt. I may certainly buy this lever and replace it in my inzer belt. Thanks
Thanks for the kind words and the insight.
Thanks for the information!
what thickness did you get for the pioneer?
Just copped. Thanks for paying the shipping with the code Brandon. Can’t wait to use it on my 13 mm Inzer. I’ll be able to use my sweater and lift now lol
appreciate it! let me know what you think.
Dammit Brandon, I thought I was finished spending money on gym stuff.
No one is done until I'm done... and I'll never be done lol
Just do what I did, sleep on it then decide to purchase only to see they sold out.
@n00bie same lmfao, after buying and building a home gym off a McDonald’s salary... shit I can’t afford to keep buying all these new things, and I keep finding more stuff I want
Just ordered mine. I've been waiting a while for this! Thanks for your input.
Hope you enjoy it!
Greatest-est belt invention ever. I like wearing a lever belt for most lifts as a bracing reminder, but hate having to adjust the belt for specific PRs. Problem solved. Thank you Pioneer. God bless America.
Glad you dig it.
I have their single pronged belt, and it is great. Easily the best belt I've ever used. Totally recommend Pioneer.
appreciate the feedback!
Respect to pioneer for not making you buy a whole new belt...classy!! #stayclassy
They should give the option next month to help cut down on costs (instead of buying one with a lever and buying a new PAL one to replace it).
3:10 I feel like he's hinting at something...but I just can't figure out what🧐
:)
3:16 life lessons with Brandon
Gather round kids!
@@BasementBrandon I thought you said “gather the kids”
Nearly called the police lol
@@harryruffin1548 Hide yo kids, hide yo wife.
I got a dominion strength , starting strength 3 inch suede belt for deadlifts and ovp and love it. Pioneer, “ pioneer cut” is next on my list
Right on!
Used your code. Just ordered mine. Can’t wait to use it!
I appreciate that!
Just ordered mine with your promo code. Thanks for the heads up, I've been waiting for this for a couple months. It's nice that they're offering the lever separately instead of baiting us into buying a new belt. The # in stock is dropping quickly on their website. Question though- my one concern with this type of lever is whether you can leave it unhinged without it falling off your waist. Like if you unhinge it just into the loose setting, will it fall off your waist? The nice thing about the old belt is that even if you flipped the lever to the loose setting, it will still be snug enough to not fall off your waist? Is this the case with the new lever? I guess this might depend on how tightly you wear the belt, but it'd be good to hear from you on this.
This is my only gripe I passed on to Pioneer. When unhinged the system can be undone if you bump something. I've found I put it on the largest setting and close it so it's very breathable yet won't come undone.
I bought my inzer belt because of one of your videos nearly a decade ago. We’ve come a long way together Brandon.
Here we are!
Thanks for the videos and coupon codes! Just bought a pioneer belt!
Hope you dig it
2:57 That chip on the lever was after how long of use? May get the silver one because of the fragile coating. Any other wear on it like scuffing or chipping of the hooks?
Any coating is going to chip some, this was a test unit so I put it through its paces. My other black lever has similar wear after 5 years.
When loosening the lever, will belt remain in place? Like, can you were it not cinched like you can with a traditional lever.
This is the only issue I noticed and passed on to Pioneer. Belt can come unclasped when loose between sets. I tend to put it on it's biggest setting and close it there instead.
I haven't had this problem. When you open it it might come loose, but it takes one second to put it back in the wave with it opened and then it stays in place fine.
I literally bought a cheap belt online from some random fitness store, for approx. $40. Still holds up after 2 years of use. Quality is really good, for that price; 11mm thick, quick-release prong-system. Been wondering about swapping it out for a Pioneer or SBD, but I honestly don't think there's any point, yet.
Right on!
Bought it, but already having some buyers remorse, could have bought a another inzer belt for the price of this.
Hopefully its worth the money.
So you spent 65 and you don’t like it for what? I’m about to purchase it myself because it seems interesting.
Why the buyers remorse?
It came out to 125 canadian shipped, expecting to get a duty charge that should be another 25 to 50 dollars.
I paid under 150 shipped for my inzer with a buckle, so paying the same amount as my entire belt for the buckle is where the remorse comes from
Hoping I love it once I use it and it's worth the money. Everything else I've bought from them has lasted and I still like / use even years later.
Thanks for the code. Got my order in.
Right on, appreciate that. Hope you enjoy.
Just pulled the trigger. Thanks for the helpful review!
Hope you enjoy it!
really love the stuff pioneer is doing!!!! need to start lifting again
Hah me too
I’m DEFINITELY buying this
Right on!
Is the belt that you have in the video 4 or 3 inches wide as well as 10mm or 13mm thickness.
4" and I have both 10mm and 13mm
Used mine for the first time today. I prefer it over my SBD.
damn fr dawg
@@vexavezzby9533 Yes sir, I am for real.
Nice!
what belt is that shown in video (not the lever, but the black belt you are showing) ?
It's a pioneer 10mm suede belt.
What is the hole spacing and size of this levers? I first want to check if it would fit on my ATX Lever Belt.
Not sure off hand but Pioneer should be able to provide.
@@BasementBrandon Whould have been nice if you whould have measured it in the review. Just a tip to consider next time :)
But its sad that Pioneer doest show these information on the product site.
Why I like your gym style so much? Kind of fashionable you know.
appreciate it.
Just placed an order on a PAL with your code. Thanks, BB :)
Thanks dude, appreciated!
Used your code for a new belt. Thanks - great video
Appreciate that man!
Definitely want to get one now! Thanks for the review 💯
No problem 👍
had mine for 3 years now. still holding but very well
look like its gonna be a great item.... my concern would only be and this would be something tested over time of use, is the prongs that go into the adjustable side breaking from pressure.
Dan Bell squatted over 1000lbs in it without issue. I think that's pretty telling.
About 6 weeks into my SBD belt & im loving it so far. Broke in like a glove. However I’m surprised how terrible it’s held up cosmetically & even functionally. When you unclip the lever it rubs against two spots of the leather & actually digs into it causing it to tear. Ended up using gorilla tape to stop that. All in all I think pioneer would be an better option for sure & I’ll eventually get one lol
You should email them, they do a good job at replacing or refunding malfunctions
agreed
@@connorwilliamson3729 I probably should, but honestly wear & tear seems inevitable. Seems like the belt is made for performance more so than longevity. Which is fair.
@@adammikhaiel283 for the price? Ts should not be doing that lol,
Sounds like just your belt I have never had any issues from tears of any kind they are pretty much life time guarantee and most reviews I read when buying one mentioned this
Used your code for stoic knee sleeves. Can’t wait to use them, been using some random no name brand and they have gotten really worn out and don’t really even help.
Hope you like them!
Getting my pioneer today! Thanks for the video...BTW SBD is now $280!
Dang
Are pioneer belts approved. ? Never have competed but mite soon in usapl. I'm guessing my lillibridge wraps by pioneer are. Great company so far. Great customer service.
For local meets they're fine, just in regionals or nationals you likely can't wear them. However they make products for A7 and IronTanks who paid the fee, so you can wear those versions.
Mr. FedEx man is dropping mine today.
They said the same thing yesterday though.
I got 2, one for my 4” belt and one for my 3” deadlift belt.
Balling
@@BasementBrandon
😂😂😂
My old starting belt I've been using for years finally broke(cheap amazon one) so I was just looking at investing in a pioneer or SBD.
Since this is just the buckle, would you recommend just getting their regular lever belt & switching it out? Or do they or anyone else make 13mm belts without any hardware I could attach it to?
Most belts I think have to come with a buckle, Pioneer will start selling this as an option on belts next month I believe.
Dan Bell has this belt and it came undone on him at the bottom of a Squat. Now I don't think any of us will squat as much as he does but I'll just play it safe and stick with my SBD belt.
That was on one of the prototypes however (he helped test them). Before they went to double pins and with different angels. He's hit 1000+lbs in them multiple times since!
Hey Brandon,
Do the teeth of the lever get smashed on the legs during the bottom position of a squat or deadlift ?
They do not!
@@BasementBrandon Thanks.
My gym is a SBD dealer so I bought the SBD belt. I’m very happy with it. This looks pretty nice though.
Right on
Great review, appreciate the insight. Been waiting for this lever for a while but have a slight concern after watching the instructional video on the Pioneer site. As Matt is screwing on the back plate for the part where the lever prong will latch on to, he says it may stick out a bit. But since that part of the belt ends up being the outer layer on the overlap, shouldn't matter too much (I guess meaing it won't jab into you). But my concern, admittedly probably just a cosmetic one, is as you close the lever and the two ends of the belt slide across each other, whether the back plate will scruff up the surface of the belt it may come in contact with. My belt is all leather (i.e. no suede covering) and while a worn in leather is a cool look, wouldn't want it too scratched up.
I don't imagine it would, but I guess time will tell!
I'm looking into buying my first belt, and from past experience I fall between holes on many that I've tried. Looking forward to the comparison to the pioneer cut.
I've also seen that inzer has a pr ratcheting belt for a similar price thats ipf approved. Has anyone had any experience with it?
Haven't tried it myself.
Spud does a ratcheting soft belt. Might be a somewhat similar comparison if you can't find many reviews.
Mine came in yesterday. Love it.
Nice!
Idk if this has been answered but what is the total range of one hole setting? 28-30"? 28-31"? I'm assuming 2" as there are 4 1/2 slots. Thanks!
Whoops just had to learn to read their site lol
Reading isn't my strong point
Uncle Brandon, Thanks for the discount code. This PAL order is going to be a gift for a friend.
Want to be my friend too??
Why not?
thanks for the review. pulled the trigger on this for my inzer belt. Wish i had a custom pioneer but its just as expensive as the sbd haha
Right on! You will have to bore out the holes slightly I believe!
YES! Used mine today. Love it.
Awesome to hear!
i just ordered mine thanks
Let me know what you think
@@BasementBrandon i received it and it was awesome
Thanks for great video, and i just ordered it.
Nice, did you go black or satin?
Im trying to decide between pioneer lever or a rogue leather lever belt. Which would you rec?
Also i git a basement gym too. Better temp control. Basement>garage
Depending on which Rogue belt you're looking at, it may be made by pioneer.
@BasementBrandon ok thanks. Ill buy pioneer. Was leaning that way. I'll use code . Thanks 4 vid
@@matthewchalk6855 🙏
What's the deal with fed (e.g. ipf) approval if you say swap out this lever onto an inzer lever belt? Also how easy is it to put on an inzer belt hole-wise.
If your in the IPF it prob won't be allowed b/c the IPF wants money for it even though Pioneer makes IPF approved belts (A7 & Iron Tanks). If you're usapl, it should be fine for any meet outside of maybe nationals.
I have seen some cheap lever belts on ebay. Would consider doing a review on them? One that I am looking at now is the brand deagle. Im assuming that they are just Chinese replica stuff but if its the exact same thing as the expensive name brands, I rather spend less. Thanks.
Eh I'm not really interested, I get emails from companies overseas all the the time who want to send me theirs. they use low quality leather that gets way too pliable over time for my liking.
Basement code doesn't seem to work for Titan Fitness
I don't have a code for Titan at this time.
Hi, thanks for the video! I’m getting this pioneer adjustable belt (too bad i just missed the discount for it). Question… Should I get the 3” or 4” size? I’m 5’2” and want to use mainly for deadlifts, but also squats.
In my experience, shorter people and females may find a 3" a bit more comfortable on the ribs.
Hello. I’m a little confused. I don’t have a belt and not sure what I should get when I go to that page. I got nothing. Any advice?
So this is just for a lever, next month they'll be selling the option to buy them on a belt already. For right now it's really for people who own a belt already.
@@BasementBrandon thanks. Good luck to you and your absolutely huge lats! 😂
My curiosity would be how well the prong mechanism thing would hold up.. I mean, it’s not going into holes like the SBD lever does. It seems like the SBD design would be more stable. Any thoughts on this?
You could make the argument that the SBD holes will wear out faster from repeated use b/c it's leather vs metal on the Pioneer.
You could argue that but due to the thickness on SBD that doesn’t happen had mine 4 years and the unused holes look exactly the same as the used ones
Do you know if when they make it an option to buy PAL with a belt it will be cheaper than buying a belt and PAL now? Since now it's gonna be 180$ together...
They told me December.
@@BasementBrandon will it be cheaper to buy it then? Should I wait?
I think if you live in America this is probably the choice, but in the UK I dint think the difference in price would make a difference.
Right on
Sorry to bother, but would you be able to measure the PAL buckle movement range in centimeters or inches? Meaning how much is the tightening (minimum...maximum) range as SBD belt buckle pulls exactly 8 cm. I have not got this information from anywhere, even A7Europe can not provide that information :(
I'm not 100% clear on the ask. Do you mean what is the range of motion on one end of the belt from open to close?
@@BasementBrandon Yeah like if you close the mechanism, what is the distance that it pulls the leather slabs to go underlapping each other? Like if SBD mechanism is open in some/any hole, then you close it, it tightens 8 cm / little over 3". In PAL lever you have like 2" adjustment between 0,5" but what is the minimum/maximum pull of that lever mechanism :)
@@mattilaukka1307 I got just under 8cm
@@BasementBrandon Thanks man!
How would someone choose between a 10mm vs 13mm belt?
Also, does this lever works on titan belts too?
It's tough if you haven't owned one before. I think for most 10mm is fine. 13mm can dig into ribs a lot more depending on the material.
Do they plan on somehow getting the lever usapl/ipf approved because if not, it's useless to most people if they can't wear it in comp
You can wear their stuff in USAPL now outside of Nationals. You an also use the A7 or Iron Tanks belt that they make in the IPF (or Nationals).
I've seen so many youtubers promoting pioneer belts and I really want to buy from them but they're not IPF approved which sucks
If your doing local meets its dosent matter. Even at a state / provinical / national meet just say its a inzer
They make ones for Iron Tanks and A7 that are approved.
If I grab the belt for A7 that is ipf approved and then throw this lever on it, is it still "ipf approved"?
@@CaptainFox924 Unfortunately not b/c the IPF sucks like that.
How's the matt black colour on the Lever holding up? Would you suggest that or stainless steel?
Actually really well (better than I thought it would).
SBD sells just the lever buckle for 45 bucks, I'm making my own version in 10mm using their buckle.
nice!
I’m amazed at how many people complain about the price of the SBD belt $227 when they’re buying all sorts of things at a mark up like bars, dumbbells, weights, shoes, etc.. The SBD belt is a quality belt that will last you for the rest of your life so you only have to buy it once rather than buying several different belts. Sometimes spending on a quality product is necessary. Just look at how many people by Rogue instead of Titan. At the end of the day, it comes down to what you would rather have supporting you under an extreme heavy load. The pioneer is an excellent belt and will do the job. The SBD will too as a premium option. It’s great there’s more options now.
The issue is you can get a belt that is as good if not better quality for half that price.
Awesome, this solves some issues!
Def a big step forward IMO
I think the number of slots is a bit too small for significant adjustments similar to a prong belt
I find it to be just about right, allows for a few sizes difference. Prong belts I only really end up using 3 holes or so.
99.9% of the population will be served by this really well. You can still buy a prong belt. I’ve been on the same prong hole for 10kgs of weight gain, just can’t see how you would need more options.
Just ordered mine earlier this week. You think they are going to release a PAL Version 2 ?
Yes they will, just a small lip on it to help with less stiff belts IIRC
Hey, does the lever come loose overtime? And do you need to tighten the screws overtime?
It doesn't. I usually find the only time I have to tighten or change it is when my waist changes too much 😅
@@BasementBrandon Alrighty! Thanks for the answer :)
Is the rogue 13mm lever belt a good belt for me? I’m 15 and I’ve been working out for about 5 months. My gyms belt sucks so I want my own.
I think 13mm is prob overkill for most as a first belt. I'd go 10mm.
If I’m right on the border of two sizes should I size up or size down when buying? Im afraid to have it too loose or too tight
If I order I’ll be sure to use your code!
I would say it depends on where you want to be in the future. If you imagine you'll gain some weight, go bigger. If you think you'll diet down ever, go down. You can also work with Pioneer to cut the belt so it's right in the middle of your waist line.
How about Strong lever belt from Mark Bell
I don't like the softer leather they use and prefer made in USA
Ordered!!!
Thanks
Hope you like it!
Hey, would you recommend the double suede lever belt or the original powerlifting lever belt?
Personally I find a 13mm double suede to be my preferred, but it's personal preference.
@@BasementBrandon awesome appreciate the time to reply thanks so much !
@@BasementBrandonsorry to bother lol so for the double suede belt black garment leather is a choice of color for outside of belt do you think that would be good choice or just the standard black suede color
TBH I'm not sure the visual difference. If you have instagram I'd DM them and ask, they could prob give you some better insight!
I’m a 34 waist. Would you recommend a medium or a large for the pioneer belt? Medium is 31-40 and large is a 35-44.
I think it depends on if you want room to grow or not. I'm around that size and wear a medium but if I got any bigger it would be a stretch to fit. So size up for room to grow, or go Medium if you're at your assumable biggest waist.
@@BasementBrandon would you recommend a 10 or 13 mm?
@@dereknelson2756 For most prob a 10mm. I have a video that breaks it down b/c it really depends on how stiff you want it.
@@BasementBrandon I’ll check it out. Thanks.
@@BasementBrandon If you are around 34", why do you think if you get any bigger then size medium would be stretch to fit (leather slab ends not reaching each other and underlapping in open position -> worse to use?)? If you would gain 2 or 3", would it still be usable?
Both A7 and Pioneer customer services and size tables are saying size medium for me as I am 37...38" but I am really considering buying large as I use XL in SBD but would like to have half inch increments...
For all to know, a7 and pioneer in size M has slab length 104 cm and size L has 114 cm. SBD in XL is 114,5 cm.
Really would like to see know that when that medium belt adjusted to 93 cm in closing position and then open, is there a gap between leather slab ends and then you have to put them right over each other before closing again so the ends won't collide and mechanism stucks... as mechanism movement is like 8 cm.
I really believe that medium is useless near 40".
Hey man I got the medium my waist is about 94 cm or 35-37 inch I can fit with 1 hole left to get bigger tried with 2 holes left to get bigger but feels a bit tight.
Should I stick with the medium or switch to large and is there any downsides with more overlap from bigger belt
I am 79 and going to do cut and bulk cycles around 74-79 I think maybe in the future if i go up to 82s will bulk more atm plan to compete at 74s
This is going to be more preference. Do you want more room for smaller holes or more room for bigger holes? I like less overlap on the belt when possible, but again it's more just preference. You may also be able to send Pioneer your measurements and request that your actual waist be made the middle hole, and they'll cut accordingly.
@@BasementBrandon I am asking for 13 mm SBD belt
@@shouman3277 in that case it's really your preference
@@BasementBrandon will more overlapping affect my squat or be very painful?
@@shouman3277 It should not.
Thanks Brandon. I’m going to get that
Hope you like it
Is discount code still the same? BASEMENT isn't accepted.
Pioneer stopped all discount codes as of Nov 1.
@@BasementBrandon thanks for responding
this is nice af..was about to buy it but i would rather buy another inzer belt as the price range is pretty close
This is better than inzer though. Inzer use cheap ass fake leather inside
I sold my inzers after using pioneer.
Might just buy one for my inzer belt. Can you tell your buddies at pioneer to waive off the shipping/customs charges for me as I live in the UK?? 😭😂
Is this now your go to belt?
Lol I'll pass it along.
Lol, thanks for this video. Definitely copping one of these for my 13mm Pioneer lever belt.
Right on!
If I have a strength shop lever belt, which is IPF approved, and buy the pioneer adjustable lever and use it with my strength shop belt, will it still be IPF approved?
From the looks of the website, this lever looks to only be USPA approved right now.
@@BabichTom sure, but is there currently language that prohibits this in USAPL
I don't believe so b/c the IPF sucks like that and wants to charge more to approve a lever...
I’ve tried a pioneer cut from a friend and personally feel like the lever gets a tighter fit. Do you prefer a lever over a prong?
I’m a lever person. Although I would still use my pioneer cut prong when I travel in the past bc I find my weight fluctuates a lot on the road. This new lever should solve that issue.
Im from spain. It will cost 45$+fees and taxes+ the belts prize. So, it will cost 220 bucks. Is pioneer that good in your opinion? Sbd will cost 200. Titan (brahma) 160. What would you do in my case?
I think in that case I'd prob go with SBD unless you want a more customized belt.
Thanks. Appreciate it
Just bought for Inzer belt!
Solid!
I ordered mine but only got the lever parts, do they mail the belt separately?
Depends what you ordered. Since most people already have a belt, the item linked was only for the lever.
@@BasementBrandon Thank you for the reply! I was looking for a weightlifting belt, since I already have the lever do you have any recommendations for a belt?
@@ravimaurya2335 prob would suggest a nylon belt in that case for actual weightlifting.
I see the lifting belts becoming modular. So SBD better come with some options
You think so?
Will this fit on an Ikarus lever belt with 3/4" hole spacing?
Not sure TBH
@@BasementBrandon I think I'll just ask for 1" hole spacing. I can get a dyed lever belt for 150 and the buckle for 60, still less than an SBD and wayyy nicer. I'll keep you posted
of course I just got my pioneer cut one sent to me just when they announced this.....sigh....thats always the way it goes. These guys make some sick belts though, damn its nice.
The Pioneer Cut is a brilliant belt! 😊
I do like mine but I'm a lever guy!
I do live that garage life.....and winter is coming....Like actual winter lol
RUN
Would that prong work with my strength shop lever belt?
it should.
Are the pioneer belts approved on nationals level? Example: raw nats?
No, however they make belts for A7 and Iron Tanks that are.
@@BasementBrandon it’s alright I used another powerlifters prong belt for college nationals 2020. My hamstrings almost fell off my leg but I made it to the end!