It works even when flying over open terrain because by the time you hear it, it's pretty much too late without a heads up. Add in dense forest etc and you won't hear these till there on top of your heads. There's many uses for them. Remember they will likely be just for raids. Hit n runs. Not really meant to disembark from per say all the time.
@@Echo-01it also came accompanied by having half the army on leave due to it being a holiday, 3k missiles fired simultaneously and the fact that it was strictly directed towards civilian areas and none of those dudes even attempted to head towards army bases.
@@ValhallaVFT good leadership should be open to hearing that. Army has slowly been weeding out toxic leadership which is good, but it's still there all the time. Given I have no idea what it's like in group.
Yeah, this has GOTTA be a misdirection I can’t think of any tangible benefit to turning a stealthy free fall team into a gaggle of Everglades fan boats
The world distance record for a paramotor flight is 1133 KM. If you need to provide ISR or ghetto air support in a conflict where SAM's and MANPADs aren't an issue than flying around in one of these with a camera on plus a dozen precision glide bombs the size of an RPG is something I could see working.
HAHAHA, I enjoyed the narrator during the SOF Week Video. Hold on, what's this? Cutting-edge augmented parachute systems, unparalleled agility, and determination.... .. ... .............................................. Apologies for any grammar I'm going to spin you up on some things because I enjoy your channel, and I want to help you out with some food for thought and paramotor terminology. I'm not here to insult your intelligence because I agree with a lot of what you have said, and whoever is in charge of this needs to put more thought into it. A paramotor consists of a two to three-blade prop, an engine/motor, frame, struts, outer ring, net, harness, and gas tank) A paraglider is not considered a canopy. It's referred to as a Wing because it acts and flies more like a plane wing than a freefall canopy. You can get into some really detailed stuff when it comes to 2D steering and wing tip steering, but that's a rabbit hole you can read into on your own time. Dudek Paragliders is a good place to start for that info. (It's part of the reason why it flies like a wing, not a canopy) There are some additional parts for the wing, such as a speed bar, which changes the angle of attack/pitch of the wing to achieve greater speed. It is more of a low-altitude slalom thing, but it is still effective at higher altitudes depending on winds at elevation. Especially if you can get a tailwind. However, you have to be careful because speed bars have some inherent safety points you need to be aware of and monitor. A paramotor, depending on the tank size, can have an endurance of 2-3 hours, which ultimately depends on your prop type, wing loading, weather, and winds. Wings are measured in square meters usually referred to as meters and not square feet. I don't know the math to tell you a wing to canopy ratios, but it's kind of close to, a 20m wing is roughly going to be somewhere in the vicinity of 220 - 250 sq ft. "Don't quote me on it though". There's an equation to figure out the exact number. So, let's be real for a second, and I'll start with a brief background and then get into some points that I have which reflect some of your points. I purchased a paramotor and wing when I was in the Q during language right before we both graduated; it may have been a couple of classes apart, whatever - it's been a decade. That aside, I'm in the process of expanding the Legion TH-cam channel into an additional channel that focuses on content around overlanding, scuba diving (recreational, tech, public safety, and mil), and commercial aerial systems & platforms to include paramotors, STOL aircraft, and freefall. I've flown paramotors and skydived for the entirety of my SOF career, and as much as I enjoy Paramotoring, I think it could have a place in SOF, but it's a long shot. That said, one of the things that I'm going to expand that channel into is cross-country paramotoring and high-altitude gliding. There are a couple of minor setbacks to that content, but hopefully, all that will be complete by the end of the year. 1. YES, YOUR ABSOLUTELY CORRECT PARAMOTORS ARE LOUD! EVEN AT ELEVATION (15-16k), they can be hard to hear, but it is a very distinct noise. Think about the scan eagles and other low flying ISR, you can hear it for days. It's relatively the same for a paramotor. 2.Textbook incompetence on the narrators' part. Paramotors are not cutting-edge. If my memory serves me right, they've been around since the 80s. Where the sport of Paramotoring initially started when a bunch of paragliders rigged lawn mower and dirt bike engines to a fabricated frame and harness in their garages. Not much has changed, the systems just look cooler and are more efficient. It's really old technology. 3. Unparalleled Agility.. Please .. Unless your flying a speed wing which is NOT recommended for Paramotoring due it's small size 6-11 meters (Think Swooping Size). You're a freight train in the air. Sure, you can load certain 18 - 20m slalom-style wings to gain speed and agility, but these dudes are flying probably a 26 - 30+ meter (260 - 400 sq ft) wing due to wing loading and "safety" - risk-averse commanders. 4. I'm going to throw some punches on this one as far as their motors go. I can't make out the Trike Manufacture, but the foot launch systems look like a Parajet Maverik (Parashit, British Company, Horrible Customer Service - I use to own a Parajet) and/or a Miniplane. It could be something else, but those are the closest ones I know of when it comes to the frame, strut, and ring construction. It's definitely not a fly products, I don't think their stuff is a Blackhawk, but the trike might be. When it comes down to it most paramotors are manufactured in Europe. That said I now own a Nirvana (15k-18k System) think Ferrari of the paramotor world. - The Trike demonstrates how poorly they thought out the application. (Great in theory, poor in execution) They should only be using foot launch systems. The Trike will restrict landing and launch zones (LLZs) for the entire stack to maintain accountability. Foot launch is the way to go because it opens up the stack to tighter and more restricted launch and landing zones. - Ozone Wings ... Great for paragliding, soaring, cross-country flying, and (acro - which commanders would never allow) - Look Up the Acro Infinity I'll include a link. th-cam.com/video/O-qyDnnf_pE/w-d-xo.html That said O-Zone is not the cutting edge for Paramotor's. If they wanted cutting edge, they should be running Dudek, Mac Para, or ITV which have substantial reputations, especially when it comes to paramotoring and paramotor slalom if we're attacking the narrator's comments (i.e., Speed and Agility) link below th-cam.com/video/z-aEWA96uD4/w-d-xo.html 5. There are a lot of sub-skill sets in Paragliding and Paramotoring: Soaring, Cross Country, Acro, Slalom, Hike and Fly, and Speed Flying to name a few. In my opinion, the only place Paramotoring has in the military is Night Time High Altitude Infiltration due to its Low to No Radar Signature. All other skills would be easily compromised, detected, and shot down. That said - High Altitude Infiltration - This is where you get into the nerd side of things, but I'll keep it simple to the following breakdown. Launch from your LLZ (Launch and Landing Zone), Under Power you fly up to 15 - 16k or higher depending on (IF) they are carrying air to your release point. Now, before I get too far into the rest of it, this is where you get into a lot of nitty-gritty details, where you can shoot holes in this all day long. A Full Kit Operator (Say 225-275lbs) is going to require a larger wing 26 - 30 meter wing, conservatively a 30-30+ meter wing. Which like I stated above, is a freight train in the air. With that, when it comes to planning considerations, you have to look at the distance between your launch site and landing site (there and back), winds and weather, and fuel, which is broken down into a bracket of items to include auxillary tanks, which affects wing loading, which gets into launch weight and speed, which then gets into endurance and glide ratios which becomes a circle jerk and a ton of cross-checking to make sure your math is correct. This is where planning can get really shitty because you can calculate how fuel consumption will affect your wing loading and glide ratios at certain points in the flight, and depending on wing loading you can actually under-load a wing, which introduces wing collapses to the equation. When it comes to the sports side of the house, most of the fatalities and serious injuries occur due to stupidity at low altitudes and wing collapses. Outside that if you're smart with the sport it's actually relatively SAFE. So that said, at that release point, you kill the engine/motor and go silent at 15 - 16k AGL (not considering geographic location cause that will affect max cruising altitude), and glide to your landing and follow-on launch zone or site. This is where planning is really important because this is where it is all about your wing loading and glide ratios. (i.e. MATH, and if you fuck that up your off target and your not landing where you plan) 6. So let's have some fun with this. Compromise & Contingency PACE Plan P: Take Contact in the air on infil (post launch, mid-flight pre-release point, mid-flight post-release point, and on final approach.) A: Sustain a casualty in the air. (Self-Aid Only Situation) C: Sustain a casualty at any point during the Op. (Sure the Trike would be a med platform option, but how far are you carrying that dude while breaking Contact) E: Take Contact when you are trying to exfil (Talk about getting caught with your pants down) Ultimately, I would consider this more of a one-way trip option, and I'm not fond of the idea that we are spending 20 - 30k of taxpayer dollars on a setup for it to get stolen by some foreigner. It's a really cool sport, but I'm going to be honest: I LOVE the idea of it, it's GREAT in thoery, but I don't think it's a wise execution. It's an incredibly involved process, and the JM, Pathfinder, Aviation, Planning, and Competency aspects of this are extensive if you want it to be successful. But I'll give credit to the Palestinians who pulled it off. If it becomes a thing in the US Military, good on us. I hope and pray they execute it correctly cause I'll tell you what: you have a bad launch, and the wing lines get caught in the prop. You are not going anywhere.
All the points you made have validity. Except, that this little show was put out to entertain and manage the masses and VIP’s who are worshippers of the tacticults.
Two of these (civilian) flew over my house. Heard them coming for a while and they are SLOW - might as well come in on a fast, armed, chopper. I commanded a MAROPs ODA and we tried to evaluate jetskis as an infil platform - denied. Now I hear some (other) units have them... DOL
I understand they have some electric versions which I assume would be much quieter. If that's the case, I could see these used in certain exfiltration situations as they can take off from the ground with very little runway.
Damn, what secret SOF unit is Munchkin part of? The Intelligence Meowpport Activity? We're gonna see him paraglide down to fucking Yemen to setup destabilization efforts lol
3:35 funny you said that. That’s the first thing that came to mind when I saw the thumbnail. NOISE. I thought one of the purposes of Halo was to do this quietly 🤔
As a retired Green Beret, I worked with MARSOC as a contractor within their Sensitive Projects section 2 years ago. One of the teams I worked with on a separate training mission was a paraglide infiltration team. That team had been testing the paraglide system for about a year, which would be around mid-2020. The Team Chief (senior enlisted man on their teams) explained to me that it was forced upon them and absolutely no one wanted it. They absolutely hated the idea. So basically it was choke-slammed down their throats, had to figure out the system, train up on how to use them, etc, etc., and they are not cheap. They were the laughing stock of MARSOC, and now are the laughing stock of USSOCOM. I felt bad for them being forced to use them. Everything you said about the paraglide system is correct. Completely useless infiltration system. The “good idea fairy” has struck again…
Correct me if im wrong but I think these things can fly like 80+ miles on a single tank which would allow them to insert from friendly territory and go way deep into enemy territory under the cover of darkness. Plus, they're relatively cheap so I could see them being utilized in single use insertions.
Definitely ridiculous. But I think there’s more use with it than ODA and MSOT dive teams. The only commands that are truly setup to do a legit dive mission are NSW and AFSOC, and in my opinion the SDV teams are the only ones who have the support to even be doing that. Using these for a large offset or in an area with a lot of aviation traffic could work. I guess there’s also some kind of advantage to being able to insert and extract with these 🤷♂️. I was on an MSOT jump team years ago so I’m in agreement with you on where the application of a clandestine insert platform could be used.
Ya it works for flying over the top of a wall from the other side. So I guess it would be practical if we decide to invade Mexican over our own border wall.
Infiltration methods have evolved over the years, but this seems like a step backwards. Sure, it worked for a group of terrorists attacking a bunch of unsuspecting music fans, but US SOF don't really operate like that, unless I'm missing something. Airborne operations have largely fallen into two broad categories since 1942 or so: parachute (static-line, free fall) and direct aircraft insertion (glider/heliborne). Essentially, today's military relies mostly on heliborne (Air Assault), with SOF forces still conducting parachute operations. We still maintain a rather large conventional Airborne capability, but a look at the past 75 years shows how much we utilize static-line drops nowadays (I think 173rd had one in Vietnam and again in Iraq, and the 82nd in Panama). What I'm getting at is this: over the past 80 years, the US military has determined that the most practical and efficient means of airborne insertion (and the only one that doubles as extraction) is the helicopter (or I guess Osprey for Marines). Special missions requiring more stealth can insert a small team via parachute, but by and large everyone from Combat Cooks to Tag Team Delta have entered the fray via Blackhawk or a similar aircraft. Paragliders seem cool and may have some limited practicality, but I'd think that's offset by the fact that they would probably be one-time use. Touch down, pull the pin on a couple of incendiaries taped to the frame/engine. Unless you're dropping into Dien Bien Phu... If so, strap an extra case or two of MREs and some ammo cans on them, mount a machine gun to the front, and design them to convert to tripods on the ground, with built-in swamp coolers.
@@ValhallaVFT 💀 I don’t know that much about the US military, but I did know they are messed up. Could you make a video on the messed up parts of the military, maybe focusing on sof since that’s your background.
I think with some of these you can take off from the ground and travel a fair distance at pretty good speed. Might not be the best infil but maybe okay exfil in some scenarios. I personally wouldn’t want to exfil on that thing but idk
Awesome! Trade out that lawn mower whine for some ultra high radar signature with that metal cage and motor in the clouds. Our military is run by idiots.
Question: Did the 18E course used to be longer? I have a book from 1999 that says it is 32 weeks. Now, an internet search is saying 14 weeks. Note: asking on this video simply because it is most recent and I think you’ll most likely see my question here. As a cat dad myself, seeing a GB wear that shirt is awesome! Does yours let you be a faithful servant like mine does?
Back in the day, before digital radios, they used to make dudes learn teletype and functional morse code as part of the commo man course, I'm sure that wasn't quick. I've heard stories of some instructors who could send and receive two different messages at the same time, one receiver being over each ear.
Side note you actually can static line a paraglider. Acro gliders will typically ride a balloon up to altitude and static line their wing. Like I said in the other post. It's a sport and experimental form of aviation. Not something I would employ in a Tactical Environment as much as I think it would be a cool story to tell... There's a very specific place for this and the Marine Corps is not it!
😏 They got some smaller electric ones that seem to look 👀 pretty slick. 🤔 They're always developing something to stay one step ahead of the enemy. 💪😎👌🇺🇲 😜🤑💰👹🇺🇲
What do you think about motorcycles in the military? I don't know why but this is getting bigger and have seen a lot of videos about motorcycles being used in warfare
Marine Corps Reconnaissance tested this in the 90’s and immediately wrote it off as being completely impractical and outright useless. Why are they doing this again?
The ONLY thing I can think of using this infil method is target dispersion. Like a helo is kinda putting all ur eggs in one basket. But still if you are halo or haho you can still stay together or apart and with no noise soooo? Being savy on the method of flying these isn't bad for extraction necessarily...you'd have to have it dropped to you. AND you'd have to secure a space bigenough and open enough to take off. Big. Open. Space. Not too tactical. So, in conclusion. Yeah wtf guys? This is stupid.
Oh wow, this looks so familiar, where was this exact method used before? 🤔 Yeah, maybe somebody saw it and went hmmm lets look at that. Or maybe... It was someone's idea of a test run. That Oct 7th thing definitely wasn't dreamed up by the people that carried it out. It has all the hallmarks of some or other OGA planning all over it.
Seems I seen these at the ROK Airborne School back in the 90s. The Defense Industrial Complex is scraping the bottom of the barrel as at any sleazy corporation, no one gets to say that sucks and why you see bullshit everywhere.
Looks like the similar paragliding platform the Oct 7th no-good doers used. Did the US copy them or they've hidden it from the public for decades, cause it doesn't seem Novell. MARSOC doing the demo for it too, was funny and not SEALs
I don’t see a point to this infiltration platform, more of a purpose as an emergency dropped exfiltration platform if it was a last ditch effort. But even then, it wouldn’t work in heavily wooded areas, you’d need enough “runway” and easy enough terrain for it to be usable. Then with the time it would take to set it up, how you would even utilize it as an emergency exfil platform it still wouldn’t work, you’d be better off using your cheverlegs and just hoofing it or fighting until you got some sort of exfil. Like you said, the good idea fairies come out when there’s no combat. Socom needs to look back at lessons learned, instead of trying to reinvent the wheel on this one. I can almost guarantee whoever thought this up for Marsoc probably just thinks paragliders are cool 😂😂
I assume more for extraction than insert, gettin your ass shot of, too late to "get to the chappa", got that stashed close buy, you're up and outta the kill zone lickety split.
MARSOC is so desperate to find their niche in the SO community they volunteered to ride a flying lawnmower on to the target. MARSOC's new motto: We'll cut down the weeds so you don't get ticks. Sorry, couldn't pass it up.
Chinese is test some kind helicopter-ish but with rear motor like this one, the head-rotor acts as “wing”. P/S: i found it, gyrocopter: th-cam.com/video/iCjz3HZ8M8w/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Ro9U9CAVCkhMcC4G
why couldn't you launch this from a plane? we launch tanks from planes. i imagine they use up all the fuel at high altitude, then glide to the target. certainly something like this would greatly extend your range over a normal parachute, since it's capable of actually gaining elevation and maintaining horizontal flight. burying them would be a problem, however mobility teams can't hide their vehicles either. so perhaps they use them to exfil.
@@ValhallaVFT i know that but this is a pretty lightweight thing. it doesn't really seem THAT improbable. guys jump with heavy machine guns & tactical nukes strapped to them. hell, they made special bicycles just for paratroopers to jump with.
Rediculous? Worked good enough for Hamas on Oct 7th.What is ridiculous is how guys who think parachuting and tanks are still relevent.Both are from ww2 and both failed in ukraine.
If spotted from ground wouldn’t a shoulder fired anti-air platform with heat seeking capes just…you know… destroy it like fish in a barrel. Also like for munchkin.
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I was at one of the bars by the water there at SOF Week. When they flew by, many people immediately laughed and made Hamas jokes.
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Didn’t like HAMAS do this awhile back? 😅
Ya, that’s what the picture in the middle of the video is.
I mean to be fair it did work at what it was supposed to do
Well, they beat western sof to it 😅
It works even when flying over open terrain because by the time you hear it, it's pretty much too late without a heads up.
Add in dense forest etc and you won't hear these till there on top of your heads.
There's many uses for them. Remember they will likely be just for raids. Hit n runs. Not really meant to disembark from per say all the time.
@@Echo-01it also came accompanied by having half the army on leave due to it being a holiday, 3k missiles fired simultaneously and the fact that it was strictly directed towards civilian areas and none of those dudes even attempted to head towards army bases.
Go Munchkin! We have 8, all rescues. Seriously, great content.
I’m trying to convince my wife to get another one, in addition to the Rottweilers, no luck so far.
I was never in the military. But this channel fascinates the hell out of me. Motivating
And very informative. Keep up the content my
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This insertion platform sorta feels like an officer was pitched a ridiculous idea and signed off on it to get his “leading change” check in the box.
Bro this shit happens all the time. Ive had to develop more than one commo truck that was dumb AF just due to officers during my career.
@@ValhallaVFT lol I bet! It’s almost like those officer types don’t have enough accountability for their questionable decisions
@@troyelliott1063 the problem typically is nobody wants to be the one to say, “sir that’s fucking dumb, we’re not doing it” so shit like this happens.
@@ValhallaVFT good leadership should be open to hearing that. Army has slowly been weeding out toxic leadership which is good, but it's still there all the time. Given I have no idea what it's like in group.
@@ValhallaVFT also the officer that thought of this saw the attacks in october last year and stole this from them, that's wild.
Yeah, this has GOTTA be a misdirection
I can’t think of any tangible benefit to turning a stealthy free fall team into a gaggle of Everglades fan boats
The world distance record for a paramotor flight is 1133 KM.
If you need to provide ISR or ghetto air support in a conflict where SAM's and MANPADs aren't an issue than flying around in one of these with a camera on plus a dozen precision glide bombs the size of an RPG is something I could see working.
Not long until we see an E-scooter troop
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Might have some application in an urban environment. Those things are quiet and mobile. Not even joking.
@@Tyra_San Funny you say that I have seen videos from ukraine of guys using electric unicycles. They are suprisingly badass
I would have thought an “F Troop” would have these MOE. (Just quietly:)
Already is one of
British SBS has jet packs now.
I’ve seen those. Actually kind of wild, not sure there’s much more practical application either, but cooler than this at least.
HAHAHA, I enjoyed the narrator during the SOF Week Video. Hold on, what's this? Cutting-edge augmented parachute systems, unparalleled agility, and determination.... .. ... ..............................................
Apologies for any grammar
I'm going to spin you up on some things because I enjoy your channel, and I want to help you out with some food for thought and paramotor terminology. I'm not here to insult your intelligence because I agree with a lot of what you have said, and whoever is in charge of this needs to put more thought into it.
A paramotor consists of a two to three-blade prop, an engine/motor, frame, struts, outer ring, net, harness, and gas tank)
A paraglider is not considered a canopy. It's referred to as a Wing because it acts and flies more like a plane wing than a freefall canopy. You can get into some really detailed stuff when it comes to 2D steering and wing tip steering, but that's a rabbit hole you can read into on your own time. Dudek Paragliders is a good place to start for that info. (It's part of the reason why it flies like a wing, not a canopy) There are some additional parts for the wing, such as a speed bar, which changes the angle of attack/pitch of the wing to achieve greater speed. It is more of a low-altitude slalom thing, but it is still effective at higher altitudes depending on winds at elevation. Especially if you can get a tailwind. However, you have to be careful because speed bars have some inherent safety points you need to be aware of and monitor.
A paramotor, depending on the tank size, can have an endurance of 2-3 hours, which ultimately depends on your prop type, wing loading, weather, and winds.
Wings are measured in square meters usually referred to as meters and not square feet. I don't know the math to tell you a wing to canopy ratios, but it's kind of close to, a 20m wing is roughly going to be somewhere in the vicinity of 220 - 250 sq ft. "Don't quote me on it though". There's an equation to figure out the exact number.
So, let's be real for a second, and I'll start with a brief background and then get into some points that I have which reflect some of your points.
I purchased a paramotor and wing when I was in the Q during language right before we both graduated; it may have been a couple of classes apart, whatever - it's been a decade. That aside, I'm in the process of expanding the Legion TH-cam channel into an additional channel that focuses on content around overlanding, scuba diving (recreational, tech, public safety, and mil), and commercial aerial systems & platforms to include paramotors, STOL aircraft, and freefall. I've flown paramotors and skydived for the entirety of my SOF career, and as much as I enjoy Paramotoring, I think it could have a place in SOF, but it's a long shot. That said, one of the things that I'm going to expand that channel into is cross-country paramotoring and high-altitude gliding. There are a couple of minor setbacks to that content, but hopefully, all that will be complete by the end of the year.
1. YES, YOUR ABSOLUTELY CORRECT PARAMOTORS ARE LOUD! EVEN AT ELEVATION (15-16k), they can be hard to hear, but it is a very distinct noise. Think about the scan eagles and other low flying ISR, you can hear it for days. It's relatively the same for a paramotor.
2.Textbook incompetence on the narrators' part. Paramotors are not cutting-edge. If my memory serves me right, they've been around since the 80s. Where the sport of Paramotoring initially started when a bunch of paragliders rigged lawn mower and dirt bike engines to a fabricated frame and harness in their garages. Not much has changed, the systems just look cooler and are more efficient. It's really old technology.
3. Unparalleled Agility.. Please .. Unless your flying a speed wing which is NOT recommended for Paramotoring due it's small size 6-11 meters (Think Swooping Size). You're a freight train in the air. Sure, you can load certain 18 - 20m slalom-style wings to gain speed and agility, but these dudes are flying probably a 26 - 30+ meter (260 - 400 sq ft) wing due to wing loading and "safety" - risk-averse commanders.
4. I'm going to throw some punches on this one as far as their motors go. I can't make out the Trike Manufacture, but the foot launch systems look like a Parajet Maverik (Parashit, British Company, Horrible Customer Service - I use to own a Parajet) and/or a Miniplane. It could be something else, but those are the closest ones I know of when it comes to the frame, strut, and ring construction. It's definitely not a fly products, I don't think their stuff is a Blackhawk, but the trike might be. When it comes down to it most paramotors are manufactured in Europe. That said I now own a Nirvana (15k-18k System) think Ferrari of the paramotor world.
- The Trike demonstrates how poorly they thought out the application. (Great in theory, poor in execution) They should only be using foot launch systems. The Trike will restrict landing and launch zones (LLZs) for the entire stack to maintain accountability. Foot launch is the way to go because it opens up the stack to tighter and more restricted launch and landing zones.
- Ozone Wings ... Great for paragliding, soaring, cross-country flying, and (acro - which commanders would never allow)
- Look Up the Acro Infinity I'll include a link.
th-cam.com/video/O-qyDnnf_pE/w-d-xo.html
That said O-Zone is not the cutting edge for Paramotor's. If they wanted cutting edge, they should be running Dudek, Mac Para, or ITV which have substantial reputations, especially when it comes to paramotoring and paramotor slalom if we're attacking the narrator's comments (i.e., Speed and Agility) link below
th-cam.com/video/z-aEWA96uD4/w-d-xo.html
5. There are a lot of sub-skill sets in Paragliding and Paramotoring: Soaring, Cross Country, Acro, Slalom, Hike and Fly, and Speed Flying to name a few. In my opinion, the only place Paramotoring has in the military is Night Time High Altitude Infiltration due to its Low to No Radar Signature. All other skills would be easily compromised, detected, and shot down. That said - High Altitude Infiltration - This is where you get into the nerd side of things, but I'll keep it simple to the following breakdown.
Launch from your LLZ (Launch and Landing Zone), Under Power you fly up to 15 - 16k or higher depending on (IF) they are carrying air to your release point.
Now, before I get too far into the rest of it, this is where you get into a lot of nitty-gritty details, where you can shoot holes in this all day long. A Full Kit Operator (Say 225-275lbs) is going to require a larger wing 26 - 30 meter wing, conservatively a 30-30+ meter wing. Which like I stated above, is a freight train in the air. With that, when it comes to planning considerations, you have to look at the distance between your launch site and landing site (there and back), winds and weather, and fuel, which is broken down into a bracket of items to include auxillary tanks, which affects wing loading, which gets into launch weight and speed, which then gets into endurance and glide ratios which becomes a circle jerk and a ton of cross-checking to make sure your math is correct. This is where planning can get really shitty because you can calculate how fuel consumption will affect your wing loading and glide ratios at certain points in the flight, and depending on wing loading you can actually under-load a wing, which introduces wing collapses to the equation. When it comes to the sports side of the house, most of the fatalities and serious injuries occur due to stupidity at low altitudes and wing collapses. Outside that if you're smart with the sport it's actually relatively SAFE.
So that said, at that release point, you kill the engine/motor and go silent at 15 - 16k AGL (not considering geographic location cause that will affect max cruising altitude), and glide to your landing and follow-on launch zone or site. This is where planning is really important because this is where it is all about your wing loading and glide ratios. (i.e. MATH, and if you fuck that up your off target and your not landing where you plan)
6. So let's have some fun with this. Compromise & Contingency PACE Plan
P: Take Contact in the air on infil (post launch, mid-flight pre-release point, mid-flight post-release point, and on final approach.)
A: Sustain a casualty in the air. (Self-Aid Only Situation)
C: Sustain a casualty at any point during the Op. (Sure the Trike would be a med platform option, but how far are you carrying that dude while breaking Contact)
E: Take Contact when you are trying to exfil (Talk about getting caught with your pants down)
Ultimately, I would consider this more of a one-way trip option, and I'm not fond of the idea that we are spending 20 - 30k of taxpayer dollars on a setup for it to get stolen by some foreigner.
It's a really cool sport, but I'm going to be honest: I LOVE the idea of it, it's GREAT in thoery, but I don't think it's a wise execution. It's an incredibly involved process, and the JM, Pathfinder, Aviation, Planning, and Competency aspects of this are extensive if you want it to be successful.
But I'll give credit to the Palestinians who pulled it off.
If it becomes a thing in the US Military, good on us. I hope and pray they execute it correctly cause I'll tell you what: you have a bad launch, and the wing lines get caught in the prop. You are not going anywhere.
Off course he has a fluffy cute tactical gray cat. Goes with the whole veteran look.
Combat munchkin cat.
@@ValhallaVFT W man
Cat daddy tank top + Munchkin = FPM (Fucking Power Move).
I'd go the wingsuit route before this.
Wingsuits provide actual application in that you can travel like 50 miles on one out of an 18,000 foot jump. This however… ya.
All the points you made have validity. Except, that this little show was put out to entertain and manage the masses and VIP’s who are worshippers of the tacticults.
And the fact this much time, effort and money was put into that doesn’t make it better lol.
They were duly entertained, as in every year the show has been rolled out. It’ll misguidedly inspire, and the budget isn’t gonna spent itself. 😉
Didn’t we see it being successful in Israel on October 7th 2023 ?
To fly over the top of a border wall from
One side to the other, sure. Guess we could use it to invade Tijuana.
Two of these (civilian) flew over my house. Heard them coming for a while and they are SLOW - might as well come in on a fast, armed, chopper. I commanded a MAROPs ODA and we tried to evaluate jetskis as an infil platform - denied. Now I hear some (other) units have them... DOL
Reminds me of my Old "GI. Joe/Cobra Toys" I had when I was a Kid!! Haha!! 😅
Your radar signature would be huge with that metal engine and prop cage
This is from the movie The Finest Hour with Rob Lowe. 😂
The propeller glider thingys. That’s hilarious.
Seen a few people say that, maybe that’s where they got the genius idea from.
@@ValhallaVFT Would actually be a good idea if you couldn’t hear them from a mile away.
I understand they have some electric versions which I assume would be much quieter. If that's the case, I could see these used in certain exfiltration situations as they can take off from the ground with very little runway.
I dunno who signed off on this one but when they came buzzing over the bay I busted out laughing
6:39 NOT THE AVIATION COLONEL 😂😂😂
Damn, what secret SOF unit is Munchkin part of? The Intelligence Meowpport Activity?
We're gonna see him paraglide down to fucking Yemen to setup destabilization efforts lol
I was there at SOF week, and I was really surprised when I saw the paramotors.
3:35 funny you said that. That’s the first thing that came to mind when I saw the thumbnail. NOISE. I thought one of the purposes of Halo was to do this quietly 🤔
As a retired Green Beret, I worked with MARSOC as a contractor within their Sensitive Projects section 2 years ago. One of the teams I worked with on a separate training mission was a paraglide infiltration team. That team had been testing the paraglide system for about a year, which would be around mid-2020. The Team Chief (senior enlisted man on their teams) explained to me that it was forced upon them and absolutely no one wanted it. They absolutely hated the idea. So basically it was choke-slammed down their throats, had to figure out the system, train up on how to use them, etc, etc., and they are not cheap. They were the laughing stock of MARSOC, and now are the laughing stock of USSOCOM. I felt bad for them being forced to use them. Everything you said about the paraglide system is correct. Completely useless infiltration system. The “good idea fairy” has struck again…
Well we all know what happens when officers start making tactical decisions, this a great representation of that.
Seemed to work well on October 7th for infiltration
Ya when you only have to fly a couple hundred meters to get over a wall I suppose it works .
Correct me if im wrong but I think these things can fly like 80+ miles on a single tank which would allow them to insert from friendly territory and go way deep into enemy territory under the cover of darkness. Plus, they're relatively cheap so I could see them being utilized in single use insertions.
reminds me of James bond...
Definitely ridiculous. But I think there’s more use with it than ODA and MSOT dive teams. The only commands that are truly setup to do a legit dive mission are NSW and AFSOC, and in my opinion the SDV teams are the only ones who have the support to even be doing that.
Using these for a large offset or in an area with a lot of aviation traffic could work. I guess there’s also some kind of advantage to being able to insert and extract with these 🤷♂️. I was on an MSOT jump team years ago so I’m in agreement with you on where the application of a clandestine insert platform could be used.
Always coming up with some wacky stuff😂
I just spit out my drink. Stand By I have many things to say about this!
Holy crap!! Just like in the Navy Seal movie The Finest Hour starring Rob Lowe!!! WTF?!
Haven’t seen it, maybe that’s where they got the idea lol.
WTF hamas used this shit october 7th and everone made fun of them.
Ya it works for flying over the top of a wall from the other side. So I guess it would be practical if we decide to invade Mexican over our own border wall.
Do u think JSOC uses similar just quieter equipment?
Infiltration methods have evolved over the years, but this seems like a step backwards. Sure, it worked for a group of terrorists attacking a bunch of unsuspecting music fans, but US SOF don't really operate like that, unless I'm missing something. Airborne operations have largely fallen into two broad categories since 1942 or so: parachute (static-line, free fall) and direct aircraft insertion (glider/heliborne). Essentially, today's military relies mostly on heliborne (Air Assault), with SOF forces still conducting parachute operations. We still maintain a rather large conventional Airborne capability, but a look at the past 75 years shows how much we utilize static-line drops nowadays (I think 173rd had one in Vietnam and again in Iraq, and the 82nd in Panama).
What I'm getting at is this: over the past 80 years, the US military has determined that the most practical and efficient means of airborne insertion (and the only one that doubles as extraction) is the helicopter (or I guess Osprey for Marines). Special missions requiring more stealth can insert a small team via parachute, but by and large everyone from Combat Cooks to Tag Team Delta have entered the fray via Blackhawk or a similar aircraft. Paragliders seem cool and may have some limited practicality, but I'd think that's offset by the fact that they would probably be one-time use. Touch down, pull the pin on a couple of incendiaries taped to the frame/engine. Unless you're dropping into Dien Bien Phu... If so, strap an extra case or two of MREs and some ammo cans on them, mount a machine gun to the front, and design them to convert to tripods on the ground, with built-in swamp coolers.
This is funny, and at the same time makes me cringe that our military is doing this.
💯, Sadly this isn’t even that cringe compared to a lot of stuff that’s going on in comparison.
@@ValhallaVFT 💀 I don’t know that much about the US military, but I did know they are messed up. Could you make a video on the messed up parts of the military, maybe focusing on sof since that’s your background.
I think with some of these you can take off from the ground and travel a fair distance at pretty good speed. Might not be the best infil but maybe okay exfil in some scenarios. I personally wouldn’t want to exfil on that thing but idk
You could climb up to a designated altitude and offset and glide in to a target without the motor running.
Awesome! Trade out that lawn mower whine for some ultra high radar signature with that metal cage and motor in the clouds.
Our military is run by idiots.
I like Cat Munchkan☆
This is some James Bond stuff lol
Hamas copy cats. No insult to Munchkin intended.
Question: Did the 18E course used to be longer? I have a book from 1999 that says it is 32 weeks. Now, an internet search is saying 14 weeks.
Note: asking on this video simply because it is most recent and I think you’ll most likely see my question here.
As a cat dad myself, seeing a GB wear that shirt is awesome! Does yours let you be a faithful servant like mine does?
18E course is 16 weeks. Or was as far as the last I heard. I’m not aware of any time it was twice that long.
Back in the day, before digital radios, they used to make dudes learn teletype and functional morse code as part of the commo man course, I'm sure that wasn't quick. I've heard stories of some instructors who could send and receive two different messages at the same time, one receiver being over each ear.
My Vietnam SF como buddies all tell of guys who could operate two pads at once. They sent messages all over Vietnam in morse code. @realWARPIG
Side note you actually can static line a paraglider. Acro gliders will typically ride a balloon up to altitude and static line their wing. Like I said in the other post. It's a sport and experimental form of aviation. Not something I would employ in a Tactical Environment as much as I think it would be a cool story to tell... There's a very specific place for this and the Marine Corps is not it!
Is that the video I sent you? 😂
Yessir lol.
@@ValhallaVFTthat’s super funny. I thought it was but wasn’t sure! 🤙🏻🤙🏻. Great video brother!
😏 They got some smaller electric ones that seem to look 👀 pretty slick.
🤔 They're always developing something to stay one step ahead of the enemy.
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😜🤑💰👹🇺🇲
What do you think about motorcycles in the military? I don't know why but this is getting bigger and have seen a lot of videos about motorcycles being used in warfare
We used them in Afghanistan actually, good for rural areas so you don’t have to drive on roads and deal with IEDs.
@@ValhallaVFT Thanks for your response I really appreciate it
It might be good for infil/exfil in certain situations.
But you could use it to get to altitude and glide to your DZ
Marine Corps Reconnaissance tested this in the 90’s and immediately wrote it off as being completely impractical and outright useless. Why are they doing this again?
No war, officers looking for OER bullets.
When will MARSOC be raiding a music festival?
Apparently soon. They just missed EDC.
They raid music festivals quite often good sir..we marines do the work you army fellas can’t handle 🫡
Yes I see what you are saying. It's crap!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good idea fairy run wild 🤪
The ONLY thing I can think of using this infil method is target dispersion. Like a helo is kinda putting all ur eggs in one basket. But still if you are halo or haho you can still stay together or apart and with no noise soooo? Being savy on the method of flying these isn't bad for extraction necessarily...you'd have to have it dropped to you. AND you'd have to secure a space bigenough and open enough to take off. Big. Open. Space. Not too tactical. So, in conclusion. Yeah wtf guys? This is stupid.
Thinking outside the box ! Unconventional. , means unconventional duh! Surprise MoFo!
Is that only for MARSOC? I wonder how the Marines destroy those drones while their hands are busy?
Oh wow, this looks so familiar, where was this exact method used before? 🤔
Yeah, maybe somebody saw it and went hmmm lets look at that. Or maybe... It was someone's idea of a test run. That Oct 7th thing definitely wasn't dreamed up by the people that carried it out. It has all the hallmarks of some or other OGA planning all over it.
Seems like a SOCOM guy who paraglides on his off time wanted to not pay for his equipment and gas, so get the Military to pay for it.
Unparalleled! 😂
Bring back WWII Glider Corp ! ! !
Hey hoooeee
The new Nintendo Duck Hunt Go!
I feel like marines with jet packs was a way better idea than this loud ass way to just get blown out the sky lmao
Next will be windsurfing skateboarding for MOUT situations. 😂
The only benefit I could possibly see is
😂
This is what happens when civilians, with zero combat experience, are put in charge of appropriations.
If it works, it works. Cut engines, glide in.
They have the Awac and refueling paragliders also duh
These are for a different war than the GWOT. A lot of GWOT tactics are effectively useless in a near-peer contested battle space.
And you think this will be effective in near peer lol?
Munchkin :D
They were using these 30 years agp
Seems I seen these at the ROK Airborne School back in the 90s. The Defense Industrial Complex is scraping the bottom of the barrel as at any sleazy corporation, no one gets to say that sucks and why you see bullshit everywhere.
where is the flying rocket soldier?
So me and a majority of people I know who were there laughed about the poor timing cause of October……..
Looks like the similar paragliding platform the Oct 7th no-good doers used.
Did the US copy them or they've hidden it from the public for decades, cause it doesn't seem Novell.
MARSOC doing the demo for it too, was funny and not SEALs
Socom punking marsof..we got got good this time
We need an under-Earth infiltration team that tunnels underground
Somebody call Elon, doesn’t he have a company that does that.
Been a reality for quite some time now..
We usually call them Engineers.
I see cat I like video
I don’t see a point to this infiltration platform, more of a purpose as an emergency dropped exfiltration platform if it was a last ditch effort. But even then, it wouldn’t work in heavily wooded areas, you’d need enough “runway” and easy enough terrain for it to be usable. Then with the time it would take to set it up, how you would even utilize it as an emergency exfil platform it still wouldn’t work, you’d be better off using your cheverlegs and just hoofing it or fighting until you got some sort of exfil. Like you said, the good idea fairies come out when there’s no combat. Socom needs to look back at lessons learned, instead of trying to reinvent the wheel on this one. I can almost guarantee whoever thought this up for Marsoc probably just thinks paragliders are cool 😂😂
lol welllll…I mean it’s a proven insertion option💀
Technically true.
AKA ... Target
Are those photos photoshopped?
Unfortunately no lol, other than the fingernails on Miley they’re all real.
I assume more for extraction than insert, gettin your ass shot of, too late to "get to the chappa", got that stashed close buy, you're up and outta the kill zone lickety split.
It worked for hamas
If ida seen that shit ida thought hamas was attackin
MARSOC is so desperate to find their niche in the SO community they volunteered to ride a flying lawnmower on to the target. MARSOC's new motto: We'll cut down the weeds so you don't get ticks.
Sorry, couldn't pass it up.
Intriguingly aside from Hamas, China also uses this method
Chinese is test some kind helicopter-ish but with rear motor like this one, the head-rotor acts as “wing”.
P/S: i found it, gyrocopter:
th-cam.com/video/iCjz3HZ8M8w/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Ro9U9CAVCkhMcC4G
Would you join the military today? Under the current state of the country/world
For 18 year olds? Yes, easiest and best decision to set you up for success in life by far.
Oct 7 anyone?… wtf
why couldn't you launch this from a plane? we launch tanks from planes. i imagine they use up all the fuel at high altitude, then glide to the target. certainly something like this would greatly extend your range over a normal parachute, since it's capable of actually gaining elevation and maintaining horizontal flight. burying them would be a problem, however mobility teams can't hide their vehicles either. so perhaps they use them to exfil.
Because a human being is attached to it, we don’t throw tanks and vehicles out with people in them lol, they crash and burn in all the time.
@@ValhallaVFT i know that but this is a pretty lightweight thing. it doesn't really seem THAT improbable. guys jump with heavy machine guns & tactical nukes strapped to them. hell, they made special bicycles just for paratroopers to jump with.
So like Hamas….
Ya I wonder why I put a picture of Hamas doing it in the video huh.
Mr. Munchkin. Abbr. Mm
Rediculous? Worked good enough for Hamas on Oct 7th.What is ridiculous is how guys who think parachuting and tanks are still relevent.Both are from ww2 and both failed in ukraine.
Yeah, but it would be funny
If spotted from ground wouldn’t a shoulder fired anti-air platform with heat seeking capes just…you know… destroy it like fish in a barrel.
Also like for munchkin.
How dare you insult the crayon eating community.
😂 I say it with love
@@ValhallaVFT good, you don’t want that simple jack heat coming at you. They’re too strong.
Sounds like there copying hamas
Cartoonish
😂😂😂1960s gen 1 drones