Would you buy a 15 inch MacBook Air? I think some people are missing the point of the video, which is that the *form factor* of the old 15" has a lot of potential as a new category for an ultralight MacBook Air that can now match (and exceed) this level of performance. I'm not saying Intel is better, this particular design is better, or that I would replace the new thicker design
Absolutely. The Pro series is overkill for my needs, but the Air screen is too small. I live in an apartment so don't have the space for a full desktop monitor but with lockdowns and work from home requirements, a 13" or even 14" is too small to work on all day every day. 15" is that sweet spot for longer use and portability and with the ability to use my 11" ipad pro as a second screen it is an ideal work from home set up for those in small living spaces..
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes I can’t recall how many times I’ve had the exact same conversation with my friends. I really like the bigger screen and I don’t need the power for my personal laptop. Unfortunately, the only option for me right now is the base model 16” I WANT a 16” Air
Sure, apart from the bezels, the touch bar, the butterfly keyboard, the awful thermals, not to mention the performance gap, and the price, it was a great laptop!
I switched from my old 2018 15” MBP to the new 16” M1 Max. I’m been trying to sell the old one and nobody wants it. Already down to $970 for it. No interest at all. That laptop was noisy, slow, buggy, meh.. the M1 MacBook Air destroys it in basically every way.
The 2018s have been specially hard hit for sure! Weirdly the 2016/17s haven't had too much impact even though they're the least powerful and have the worst butterfly keyboards!
I had the same device, had two logic board problems in 2 years. It's a oven cooking the internals until they fail. They worth $0 in my opinion and should be left in the storage and only used I case extreme need. They will die eventually like the Xbox 360 did.
@@movdqa I can't speak to that, but I waited til the 2019 16 inch MBP then pulled the trigger. I have not used it much for work, but due to pandemic, will be taking classes come August 2022 and plan to use it then. Best to all.
I have a 2019 15” for work and would never go back. The heat, noise, lack of battery life (which I’ve also had to replace twice due to bulging battery cells) and less color accurate, smaller screen (plus the nasty keyboard) are leagues different than the new pros. If you travel professionally than sure, maybe that extra half pound and an inch would kill ya but for most desk-focused people those size differences have no practical usability effect. The changes Apple made on the new Pros are focused in the right places, even if it resulted in a bit more size.
I like the butterfly keyboard beach of the sound of the click and the clack when it works it is wonderful I do have a few broken keys myself but if there were no broken key this would be my favorite... my personal favorite would be the keyboard from the OG MacBook Pro of 2006 and then Powerbooks
Apple silicon refresh would eliminate these drawbacks Just cuz it isn’t useful for you doesn’t mean others wouldn’t like it. A moderately big laptop that can still be carried around easily and doesn’t need cutting edge performance would slot in really well in the market … lots of people bought 15” mbp’s just for the size
@@ps5hasnogames55 I assure you, they are enjoying it. Stop dumping on others for enjoying the cup of tea you don't like. Windows user here, just in case.
I upgraded from the 2015 15" MBP to the 2021 16" MBP and there's basically no difference at all in size. I guess that's the good part of having missed out on the entire butterfly keyboard generation of MBPs. 😆
Same here!!! Before I got the 16” M1 I was worried it would be too big and was pleasantly surprised when they were more or less the exact same dimensions.
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I use a 16” from 2019, and my plan is to switch to a strong Apple silicon iMac, while having a light laptop on the side for travel and stuff. A 15” Air would be a dream come true for me as well
the time it took that 15" to wake up at 01:08 demonstrates one of the many things wrong with the Intel. I do prefer the form factor of the 15" or 16" Intel MBP but damn I don't miss the incredibly poor battery life, the constant feeling of being hot hot hot on your lap, or when you plug in an external monitor and the 5300M & 5500M models start getting hot and spinning up the fans while sitting there idling.
That's the problem with my 2020 XPS!! Its fast as heck .. i9 32gb, nice graphic card. But it Runs hot all the time, boot time is slow and problematic, and it's heavy, and it always dying. Plus win 11 is quirky at times. But l love screen and keyboard. I recently bought a 13 mbp m1 and love it. I do hate the lack of ports but everything else is gold!!
Special love content over 18 years old NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE tricks I do not know Megan: "Hotter" Hopi: "Sweeter" Joonie: "Cooler" Yoongi: "Butter So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today. Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım '' Erinder: '' Sezimdüü '' Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak '' Dene: '' Muzdak '' Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis. Aç köz arstan Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon. Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan. Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾 They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising 💗❤️💌💘
Intel is not the problem… I have early 2015 mbp 13 on mojave and it wakes from sleep in literally 1 second. Apple is just slowly sabotaging its own products through software updates to make new products seem “revolutionary”…
@@brunob8827 I don't think that delay there was anything intentional or malicious, I have the same laptop running Monterey and it too wakes from sleep in about a second or two (still slower than Apple silicon though, which is near instant).
@@seshpenguin thats good to hear, but I find it very confusing because some people have no issues with older macs but then on the other side there are ones that bash anything that is intel or last gen…
For me as an Software engineer in Spain, and also as a owner of the 2019 16 inch MacBook Pro and 16 inch m1 pro MacBook. I have to say it. Battery life is a game changer. I still use both of them because windows in my old 16 inch and I can feel the difference between them. Secondly, once you tried 120 hertz there is no come back to 60 hz. For me it is impossible. I like more the new keyboard. In my opinion, the new ones feels better. I like them more. With the black background it is nicer and easier to type. Also it doesn't get as hot as the old one. The only thing I really miss is the touchbar. I am Touch Bar guy, sorry. About the size, for my usage it is not very noticeable. My bag is big enough to carry both of them and also my iPad Pro. But I have to agree with you, the new ones feels more chunky and bigger than the old ones. Every time I use the intel MacBook I see it more futuristic than the new one, which it feels something more classic and older, like it was from an earlier generation. I will buy if Apple releases it, the new 15 inch MacBook Air, with that kind of design you are saying, I am a screen real state fan as well!! By the way, I was waiting for someone from the TH-cam community to share a video like you did to share my opinion and see what did they think about the new design. Now I don't feel lonely in this side. Love your content Luke. I learnt most of my English by watching your videos!!
I felt that the M1 macbook pros are not even ready for The applications to be able to run such as wrong such as using my DHW and plugins that are still not ready for the M1. I might get the 2019 16" macbook pro with more RAM, Storage, and i9 in the further future.
I agree with you i prefer old design than new was more futuristic the new ones are like old design apple is discounting all the 16 inch means is not selling good
Definitely never going back to 60Hz, and it's not even a new thing, I have a few CRT monitors and they all go way above 60Hz, and it's a struggle to use a 60Hz panel for me anymore when I could easily be using a 100Hz display instead.
Apple is never going to listen to us again after this generation of macbooks is done! We complained for 6 years, they listened and we complained again. Dont cry when they dont listen to us again.
Luke, I will admit that I thought this video was about getting some views only. After watching it I am glad I saw it. Some valid points have been made. Good work today sir.
this is the most contradictory video ive ever seen lol. I remember when every one and you too probably were hating on the 15inch mbp because its too thin and not properly cooled and the display could be edge to edge like other laptops had it and now the same one that was so hated is the better one?
Apple gave us incredible slim notebooks, users as always start whining for thermals, ports…. Then Apple made bigger notebooks with inferior ports compared to versatile Thunderbolt 4, bigger battery and impressive thermals considering the power… and now we whine about the size and we want the slim MacBook Pro again? Please… And yes i typed ultra fast on butterfly keyboard, it was super slim but super clicky… wasn’t perfect but the whining habit are really sad.
The new 16’ MacBook only weighs about 6 pounds… it’s still very easy to slip into a bag and actually feels solid this time around. Add the beast like performance and an upgrade in every other category and you have a computer that isn’t made for a tray table, because a 15 inch never was. (The air or iPad is better suited. ) Plus you don’t need dongles! For 7 years Apple sacrificed inputs for form-factor and now that they finally listened and made this thing all powerful, you revert to intel based on form factor?
I don't get this whole weight argument. They weigh nothing compared to laptops from 10 years ago, are people really that weak nowadays that a few pounds means they're exhausted in a short amount of time or what? Speaking of what's new for apple... Personally i think they need to slim down their lineups (pun intended). There are way too many options with different names ect. Keep the new mbp style but do a 12", 14" and 16" and just call them macbook. Get rid of the "air" lineup as the 12" would take its spot anyway. Same with phones. Tbh, if they got rid of all the excess weight (again pun intended) in their lineups and just simplified things plus bring the prices down just a bit to more reasonable levels they'd easily break even or even make profit as their products would be more affordable to more people hence more devices sold. I'd wager people don't upgrade as much as they want to due to everything being confusing about what/which/when/why devices they should get. TL:DR - Too many choices for average consumer, simplify and bring more people over from Android... win win for Apple.
@@dodo19923 Sedentary society. People need to do more deadlifts. I carry my 2021 16 in my old 2007 MBP 17 bag. It's actually swimming in that backpack. You could actually put two 17s in that thing with lots of padding and room for books and other stuff. I used to carry two backpacks in the thing, one for work and one for personal.
No way Jose! I won't give up my 16" M1pro chunky boy! nope! I don't need to work on airplanes...I'm good...bye old style Macbook....bring on the chunky boys!
I love the content but this I can’t agree with. I was just on two 3 hour flights with my 16 inch M1 Pro and had absolutely zero issues. It fit on my tray, I was able to do some work and get through a whole movie. Was it a little tight? Sure. Was I able to use an external mouse? No. But it was completely and totally fine and fit without a problem. I just don’t really understand when content creators make the 16 inch to be some sort of cinderblock. Yes it is slightly heavier but no, it will not completely change how it feels in your bag. It still ultimately feels like you have a laptop in your bag.
I feel that the 2019 macbook pro is the best keyboard apple has ever made on a laptop. It feels tactile enough and has enough travel for it to feel nice and pleasant to type on. I did try the new M1 Max macbook pro keyboard, though it feels nice, i do not like it as much as the 2019 keyboard. I hate the touch-bar though. I was a interesting concept but not implemented properly.
My 2017 15 inch MacBook pro feels really good to date. And for my web development workloads, it just runs perfectly. No crazy fan noise. No crazy heat issues. It still looks stellar and I am indifferent about the touch bar.
I did prefer the Butterfly keyboard in terms of feel. It was sort-of clicky, it was very low travel, and I don't know why, but I thought it felt REALLY good. But the reliability was definitely a deal-breaker.The new Magic Keyboard is definitely a good compromise between the feel of the Butterfly boards and the reliability of a normal switch.
Yea I'm on the same boat. The keyboard feels really "premium" If you can say that. But the reliability was what killed it, its just a fundamentally flawed designed.
@@seshpenguin I agree, I've just began rocking the butterfly keyboard and I love the feel of it, just the reliability of the keyboard is what is holding it back especially since apple is taking away the repair programs of older Macs with these keyboards
Im completely with you I have an old function row 2017 macbook pro and I love the feel of the butterfly keyboard but yeah im very very lucky I havent had any issues yet
That’s a tight rope you’re walking, bemoaning MacBooks for sacrificing thermals and performance, and then turning around and bemoaning MacBooks for being too chunky- and sacrificing thinness for performance.
My personal view is that the 13" MBP is the perfect size. When I'm at home I'll connect it to my large monitor and when I'm away from home I don't usually spend hours on my laptop so the smaller 13" screen is just perfect. But then I haven't had my hands on one of the 14" models yet! I had a 15" model when I was at uni and it just didn't work for me from a portability perspective!
My sister has the 13 M1 MBP, it’s straight up too small. The form factor is fine, but the screen is just way too small. The 14 inch is honestly perfect, with its super slim bezels, gives you way more screen in a similar form factor
I just made exactly the same comment! I don't know what airplanes he's flying on, I''ve had no problems using a 17" on planes, my new M1 16" is a perfect form factor for me.
100% agreement. I find a screen less than 16” basically unusable for coding. I carried my 17” MBP in my backpack to school on the bus and ran around with it on my back, and so many people were commenting on what a great size it was.
I really like the size of my 13” M1 MBP and it has all the performance I need… If the screen were a little larger I wouldn’t be mad about it, so I think a lot of people would go for a 15” MacBook Air, if the price was right. The battery life would probably be off the hook too.
Apple : Let make our laptops thin Tech TH-camrs : We wouldn't mind thicker laptops for a better thermal and keyboard Apple : Ok we listened and here is the M1 Pro/Max laptops. Tech TH-camrs : We wouldn't mind the previous thin design! WTF? 😂😂😂
It seems that youtubers are trying to make new content to satisfy the Google algorithms and they ran out of ideas and are posting dumb stuff like this.
TH-camrs: make videos expressing ideas Comments: oversimplify and ignore the points and concessions of the video TH-camrs: ... I never said to get rid of the thick design, rather add a new category for a large screen portable device that some would find appealing.
👍 agree! ....The problem is comparing the new 16" MacBook Pro M1 to older MacBooks. If you compare it to PC laptops, I was carrying around a 15" that was twice as thick, twice as heavy 🪨, and slightly bigger.... The new 16" MacBook Pro M1 is a dream slim, light-weight, 16" in a 15" form factor, laptop to me! ....and minus the poor battery life, fan noise, heat, and low performance........ 👍😎💜
How many time people really are going to be in an airplane in a month and working in an airplane? So that argument is kind a weak to me. I rather have a big real state when I travel and reach my destination than a small screen and when I reach my destination the screen size will slow me down
It is totally fine to keep using and loving the 2019 MacBook Pro, just like keep driving the car you bought 20 years ago. It just makes no sense to choose the 2019 MBP if it is at the same price with the M1 Pro MBP. Also, it is far too silly to call the 15” design as a MacBook “Air”.
Eh... I use a 4 port 13inch and I've never had any issues with just using a dongle with charging throughput. You're still only using one port, and I can just leave dongle connected to the charger. At this point in time, I'm just hoping that along with SD cards, cameras will follow suit and simply use a USB-C for transferring photos and video. Some people absolutely love the return of the SD card, and fair enough, but if you're a light-mid user, the amount of times that port actually gets used is negligible, and a dongle connected to your power cable is fine. HDMI? Same thing, the dongle works fine and the best thing about it is that those ports are then transferrable to any USB-C device, and if those ports break? Well it's a hell of a lot cheaper and more convenient to replace a dongle than it is to send the entire machine back to Apple for them to overcharge on repairs.
A 15 Inch MacBook Air would be the ideal laptop for me. I was considering getting the 16 Inch M1 Pro MacBook Pro purely because of the screen size. I don't care much for the performance of the M1 Pro and Max, M1 level performance is good enough for my needs. Let's see where Spring/Fall this year takes us, I can afford to wait another year or two.
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Totally agree. I would love a 15 inch M1 MacBook air.. A larger screen with similar spec to a Macbook air, not to chunky with good enough performance even if it is not M1Pro/Max level. And of course a more reasonable price then a MacBook pro. On the PC world, one can choose the screen size independent of the performance.
@@jeanjasinczuk7543 there’s one more thing to consider about air’s. The ports are atrocious. The newer pros excel at port selection. So an air 15 or 16 still might not be appealing.
Who chooses a MacBook Pro less powerful, with less ports, with less good screen, with less good sound, with butterfly keyboard, with touch bar and with heat problems because is smaller? I'm watching him XD
After replacing my 2019 intel 16 inch MacBook Pro, which I kept to the side, I returned my 16 inch M1 Pro MacBook. I returned it since, as a university student, I found I didn't have much use for it and didn't use it any differently than the Intel version. To put it another way, I returned it since I wasn’t using it to its full potential.
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Funny. May I ask why you tried to replace a perfectly functional and super fast 2019 mac laptop when you really never needed it? Was it the marketing hype ? TH-camrs overselling it?
@@mrparts Tbh with you, it was great percentage of both. I was under the impression that I needed a slightly larger screen and faster laptop, but I soon realized that I didn't use it any differently than I did before and that I had just wasted $3500 CAD on something I already had. So, if you're thinking about buying one of the new MacBooks, think about whether you really need it and what you're going to use it with and for, because, like me, I didn't use it to its full potential, so it was a waste of money.
@@xfinity319 Exactly, I have had several Macbooks and an old Mac pro (Cheese grater). Providing you can do what you want in reasonable time keep what you have. You will never get back what you paid for the latest cutting edge device. I'm sure people mostly upgrade for bragging rights and be able to tell everyone how fast blender works on the machine and quote how many percent Apple claim improvements over their last incarnation. I'm doing this on a 2009 white plastic macbook after graphic chip failures on my original MBP. Most of the time I am happy using an old Lenovo T420 running linux mint on, but hey... horses of courses and whatever floats your boat and keeps you happy, Stay well .
I prefer the butterfly keyboard. I loved the tactile feel and the rigid confident click no matter where you touched the keys. I do understand that I am in the rare in camp in that I didn’t have issues with mine but I still wished they fixed the issues rather than move back.
I have been looking to replace my old 13 in MacBook Pro from 2011 and wanted a larger screen. I only use it for light computing, web browsing and streaming so I do not need a powerful M1 Pro or Max. I would buy the new M1 MacBook Air if it had a bigger screen. 15 in would be perfect. I am not too bothered about the mini led display if that helps keep the cost down. Please do it Apple!!
The old design is amazing. Perhaps Apple Silicon would work fine in that smaller form factor with less ventilation issues, but I’m guessing Apple didn’t want to risk more thermal problems & starting with an all-new generation was a good idea.
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I travel business and first and the 16 inch M1 Pro MacBook Pro fits perfectly. Also as a video editor the monitor is top for editing HDR content. Cant go back to any other Mac.
15" MBP ain't that much smaller than 16" MBP, and it doesn't even fit in airplane tray tables well. So that intro doesn't make much sense. If they made a 15" MacBook Air that's close to the size of something like the XPS 15 9500, that'd be great.
I owned 2 butterfly keyboard MacBook (not Air, not Pro) ultralights and had zero keyboard issues over 5 years. Obviously the design has problems, but I kept my laptops clean and I learned to properly TOUCH type (high school typing class) so I never hammered on it like I observe millennials doing.
As a programmer idgaf I hammer away on those suckers, and will not stop if it breaks then it was poorly manufactured simple as that. Keyboard travel is part of the typing experience. And those butterfly keyboards lack any meaningful travel so I found myself hitting the same keys because sometimes they wouldn't be detected by a simple tap, and because there's barely any travel hammering away isn't all that satisfying or possible. I'm glad I never had to daily drive those god awful keyboards.
i also love the butterfly keyboard, please don't judge, because it's super thin, easy to use, and i've had absolutely no defect with it at all! when I was trying my dad's 12 inch macbook, it was great!
I’ve used the both the butterfly versions of 13 and 15 inch Touch Bar laptops, as well as the magic keyboard 13 and 16 inch Touch Bar laptops, not the new 14 and 16 inch pros though. The benefits of the butterfly laptops were that they were thinner, resulting in less sharp edge on the wrist. I noticed the sharp edges more on the magic keyboard models. The other benefits are less light bleed (nice at night), also full size left and right buttons (I would prefer full size up and down keys as well even if the down key extends below the rest of the Keyboard). For typing a lot all day though I prefer the magic keys, and I roll up a shirt to rest my wrists on and avoid the sharp edges. Optimal would be a tapered design with the magic keys. I like the Touch Bar for app shortcuts and customizable.
If you keep complaining about these new laptops that are finally fit for professional use, Apple's going to start "innovating" again, and the next MBP will come without a screen because "brave."
1:14 No you're not. Heavier than a M1 Pro 14" (by half a pound), slower, and with lower screen resolution. Only thing going for it is cheaper. Larger MB Air probably a good idea but you should have gone into where it might slot into the Apple laptop lineup in terms of cost.
I bought a fully loaded 27" i9 iMac at the end of last year. I'm positive the M1s will be better, but I need the compatibility for the moment and the horsepower is more than sufficient.
I believe the macbooks got thinner after 2015 up until the 16 inch came out (which is also still thinner than the newest 16 inch), so the size difference is significantly bigger for Luke.
@@ifihadfriends437 Yes good point on thickness, but I am referring to screen size. He said it doesn't fit on an airplane try and is harder to travel with. That has not been my experience going from a 15 to 16. My display is same size as the new ones.
@@MichaelBordenaro Honestly I think the 15 inch is already bit of a pain to travel with. I tend to go carry on only so that 2kg of non-malleable kind of sucks (to the point where I've seriously considered buying a little chromebook for travel.)
Old slim design with the power of new M1 max. .. Holy shit. That was my first though just after I saw the new macbooks with M1 pro and max processors..
@@nnnnnn3647 but thanks to that these devices are all day long on battery. This is what laptop should be. You can always have MBA with M1 if you want smaller laptop. We're not there yet to have the maximum performance in a matchbox sized device.
@@nnnnnn3647 you can do the same task on M1MBA as on 2019 Intel MBP. But if you want to go increased performance, increased battery and no noise from the fans at the same time then you don't get the smaller device. M1 iPad and M1 MBA (even the M1 MBP) are the devices that provide you answer to what you expected from ARM.
@@nnnnnn3647 They are still on the same batteries. Can't beat physics. Also I don't see anything surprising in fact, that 2 years newer CPUs are more powerfull, at expense of sick thermals and power consumption....
@@nnnnnn3647 lol it’s called being giving option. You have a desktop level processor on a tablet… what’s thinner and lighter than that? You’re also going to ignore how these don’t overheat at all compare to the intel MBP?
Although the regular 13" MacBook Air is good enough for my needs and don't really desire a bigger display, I know a ton of people who would really like to have a bigger MacBook but doesn't need all of the power from the M1 Pro. So I do hope Apple does make a 15" MacBook Air.
Very interesting video, Luke! As for my thoughts: Speaking only of the form factor, and not the tech specs, I prefer the look of the 2019 version - and the M1 MacBook Air/Pro - over the new, "retro" look. I actually don't understand the apparent fascination with going retro, and I especially HATE the retro look of the new M1 iMacs...they look cheap and toy-like, IMHO, and I would never buy such a cheap-looking desktop to replace my 27" 5K iMac designed by Jony Ive. I was considering getting a MacBook Air when the new, M2 version comes out, but if it looks anything like the renders I've seen - carrying on the retro look - I'll either not get one, or get the M1 version before they're sold out.
The look of the new macs is not just looks is to give enough space for have good cooling solutions. Old MacBook pros thermal throttled with the intel chips because those chips were not design for those thin chasis. Perhaps the M1 would perform good enough but with a bigger chasis they run cooler and less fan speed.
The 14/16 MacBook Pros are design-wise a harp back to the Titanium PowerBook, which was designed by Jony himself. They went "retro" with this design for no other reason other than the fact that the actual "pros" who were using the prior MacBook Pros absolutely hated the design with their guts because it was a functional disaster. So I feel like the analogy doesn't really work in the context of the 14/16 MacBook Pros. Plus you can always just get a silver version of the 24-inch iMac, that option's still there no matter what config. The colours are there for the ones who really want them. If you haven't already, you should take a look at the new Macs in store, the physical design makes straight intuitive sense once you can feel the products in your hand
As I said in my initial comment, I was ONLY speaking about aesthetics, NOT tech specs, cooling needs, port availability, etc., and, since everyone is entitled to their own opinion about aesthetics, I was expressing mine, that the older MacBooks LOOK better, IN MY OPINION, than the latest versions, essentially agreeing with Luke. And, since Jony Ive was at Apple until 2019, I assume he was, at least partially, if not entirely, responsible for the design of the 2016-2019 MacBooks, showing that his aesthetic sense evolved beyond his 2012 MacBook version - and his earlier original iMac and the "colorful" iBook. As I said, aesthetic sense varies from person to person, and everyone is entitled to their own: some people like the 1957 Dodge, others like the 1975 Corvette, neither opinion is "wrong," they are just an individual's opinion.
I have wrist problems and the butterfly keyboard is the only keyboard that doesn’t aggravate them. I’ve tried mechanical and ergonomic and nothing worked. The new magic keyboard thankfully has been fine too, but nothing felt as good to my wrists as the butterfly keyboards.
Special love content over 18 years old NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE tricks I do not know Megan: "Hotter" Hopi: "Sweeter" Joonie: "Cooler" Yoongi: "Butter So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today. Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım '' Erinder: '' Sezimdüü '' Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak '' Dene: '' Muzdak '' Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis. Aç köz arstan Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon. Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan. Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾 They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising 💗❤️💌💘
So I just got the 2017 macbook pro 15inch speced out almost and tbh I love it. The dedicated graphics are good for gaming, video production, and overall handles what I need. I had the 12inch macbook and never had issues with the butterfly keyboards and kinda liked it.
Special love content over 18 years old NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE tricks I do not know Megan: "Hotter" Hopi: "Sweeter" Joonie: "Cooler" Yoongi: "Butter So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today. Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım '' Erinder: '' Sezimdüü '' Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak '' Dene: '' Muzdak '' Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis. Aç köz arstan Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon. Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan. Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾 They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising 💗❤️💌💘
I miss the touchbar!! It had that kinda special and premium feel to it and was dynamic and convenient to use. I also liked the butterfly quite a bit. It felt quicker to me but it depends on what you‘re used to.
I am using 2020 intel 13 macbook pro about a yeaf and i cant understand people who hates touchbar that much. Its practical easy to use but too ahead for todays standards. It could be better but apple removed whole unit :(((
I switched from a 13 inch Touch Bar MBP, and the new 16 inch form factor is AMAZING I love looking at the screen and the entire build is so so much better
Finally someone recognise this problem :) For me the new 16" its just feel huge compared the old 15".. As a webdeveloper I dont need a M1 Pro, or Max, I dont care how fast it exports video, but I need the screen size fo coding! simply a M1 would be enough but with a big screen, but in smaller body, which I can easyl carry around wherever I want to work.. if apple would create 15" air, that would be instant get for me..
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The Butterfly keyboard is better for me when I have to type the long essay as the key travel is very short so I don’t feel as fatigued as the new keyboard. I have never encountered the stuck or double key at all in one and a half year (Bought it second hand and the kb was replaced to the one with silicone protection layer). Also I noticed less backlight leaks on the gap between the chassis and the keys. However, it just the keyboard that I liked on my old 2017 13” w/o touchbar. My new m1 pro 14” is far superior in every way
I didn’t mind the butterfly keyboard, the key travel wasn’t that much but the keys still felt clicky. HOWEVER, if anything got under them or after some time, they start to feel mushy or become unreliable. I can’t say I prefer it or not though because I haven’t used it in lil while
this is becoming too much like painfully honest techs channel... i love the new macbook, i hate the new macbook, i went back to the old mac, i went back to the m1, i hate all macs, i decided to go back to the m1 max... just hear me out 💩
11:00 I think I've solved how would a laptop could have less device footprint but large screen real estate. Once I get enough money, I might make a video on it. I don't want people to steal my idea lol. All I'll say is LG Wing.
I hope Apple keeps the Air series as the (relatively) low-cost entry laptop, with the M1 processor, and 13" and 15" options, and saves the Pro/Max/M2 silicon for the more expensive MB Pro line. I think they could make more money by gradually dropping the price, than they could by adding unnecessary performance to a machine that's already way over the top for entry-level users. The market for $400-$500 laptops is massive, and Apple could own it with an M1 Air in that range.
Tbh, I actually like the butterfly keyboard when it works. It sounds nice, I can easily slide by fingers from key to key, and I really like the slim key travel when pressed. I just really hate how a good amount of my keys either double tap or simply don’t register when tapped. It’s a pain for typing papers or programming. I wish Apple would have been able to truly fix it before dumping it.
Just bought a t9500 for my 2007 iMac, gonna do some surgery to get that beast up to Catalina. Your videos have been quite inspiring. I also have an M1 MBA, the iMac is gonna be for the Kids
I’ve been saying this since the release of the M1 Pro and Max! Apple hasn’t had a lower lever machine with a large screen like on the PC side, which a lot of people would love to have! Let’s be honest, the M1 MacBook Air’s performance is great right now, with fantastic battery life and not everyone needs the full pro spec machine however, having a larger screen in a fan less design with improved performance over the current machine? Heck yeah, we would take that!
Unfortunately, after using my macbook pro 13 inch base model from 2019 for two years and one month the screen has a black line on it for a couple of months, the keyboard is not as clicky as it was new and i have a stuck key... Thank god i bought one more year of warranty. It didn’t aged like i thought. But never crashed on me and always done the work its supossed to do.
Let me get this straight when the 14 and a 16 inch M ones came out this year everybody including you were raving about them. They didn’t do anything revolutionary with the ports they just gave them back to you and the mag safe. and I’m sure to do that they had to beef it up a little bit make a little thicker. Everybody was impressed with the performance they were happy to have the ports back people loved the display the keyboard the trackpad and a few months later you’ve decided it’s too thick it’s too heavy? I enjoy your videos but I am a little confuse why you didn’t figure this in before you purchased one it seems like the 14 inch would’ve been better for you To use when you’re traveling.I’m glad Apple is making things a little thicker I’m glad the phones are a little thicker so we have more batteries I’m over the thin crap let’s make things a thin as we possibly can I’m past that if it’s a little thicker a little heavier but you get an advantage from it signed me up.like I said I’m just confuse people don’t think things through when they purchase something but that’s your choice you spent the money whatever makes you happy I certainly wouldn’t go backwards in performance
@@AlejandroLZuvic Apparently didn’t stop you from understanding when I was saying seeing you agree to it I love the grammar police but you have a blessed day ……,,,,,,?????;;;;…. There you go
Hey Luke, I am rocking a 2017 MBP with 16Gb ram and 4GB GPU. the CPU is the i7 2.9. I want to say that I love the butterfly keyboard. I feel comfortable typing on it. I also love the touch bar to boot. I get upset, however, when I use my mac mini for editing simply because I'm not too fond of the keyboard.
Whilst I was initially reluctant to accept a modest trade-in figure from Apple for my 2019 15" MBP, I do not regret for one moment shelling-out for the current 16" M1 Pro MBP. The Intel model was - to put it kindly - a buggy, loud, overheating, crash-prone embarrassment of what was supposed to be a premium, high-performance computer. It certainly did not deserve the 'Pro' moniker. You said so yourself in your October 15th video - effectively saying that the dirt-cheap prices for Intel models would reflect their undesirability. Certain software issues with Catalina and Big Sur didn't help matters either, and Time Machine on Monterey is currently a disgrace. Granted, the current 16" model is perhaps not the most versatile unit to incorporate into cabin luggage - certainly not when good quality protective cases - not sleeves - are nowhere to be found. I would argue, however, that the current 16" model is not necessarily meant for that, but rather for working-from-home professionals who don't necessarily see the point in a heavier - and much less portable - desktop. I would probably have chosen a 15" model if Apple had offered it with an M1 Pro chip, but I have no problem with the extra weight in the 16" model either.
With all due respect, I think you missed the point of his video. He even acknowledged that pretty much everything but the form factor was not the greatest, and that the new MacBook Pros are better. What he was saying is that form factor and thinness would be perfect for a new 15” MacBook Air with Apple Silicon. He was pointing out that all of the compromises the Intel Macs had to make to be thin are next to gone with Apple Silicon. So no, he is not saying the 15” MacBook Pro is desirable for power users; he is saying that form factor would be desirable to causal users not needing or wanting the price, thickness, and power of the 16” MacBook Pro.
@@ucanthavemyname9802 Fair enough: The old 15" form-factor was indeed sleek, and it would've made a lot of sense to me, if the base M1 MBP had been offered as a 15" model as well. I don't really know why Apple retired that size. In my admittedly uneducated opinion, there are no redeeming features in the Intel model from 2019: Even the sleek form-factor did it no favours with regard to heat-management. Hence my initial post. Cheers for the feedback.
Hey Luke! I just got my MacBook Pro 2017 today (full spec) and I ask where you get your wallpaper from on your MBP. I love it. Just as much as I love *ALL* your videos!! Thanks xx
You're running out of video ideas Luke, we can see that! No one will choose intel over M1..only people who need specific x86 apps. End of the debate, have a nice day!
Sorry I actually really do prefer the butterfly keyboard. It feels faster to me to type on in short bursts than the "new style" keyboard. I have had carpal tunnel in the past and the ultra short key throw is nicer on the wrists to me also. I'm not sure about extended typing but for fast iMessage replies, web searches, etc I think the butterfly keyboard is better.
I really feel like the butterfly keyboard is unfairly maligned. It feels strange when you first sit down to use it, but after a couple of minutes you barely notice. I've had a few key problems, but working the key a bit always brings it back. Easy enough to fix.
Would you buy a 15 inch MacBook Air? I think some people are missing the point of the video, which is that the *form factor* of the old 15" has a lot of potential as a new category for an ultralight MacBook Air that can now match (and exceed) this level of performance. I'm not saying Intel is better, this particular design is better, or that I would replace the new thicker design
I would, yep. I love my M1 Air. I would love a bigger screen though
Absolutely. The Pro series is overkill for my needs, but the Air screen is too small. I live in an apartment so don't have the space for a full desktop monitor but with lockdowns and work from home requirements, a 13" or even 14" is too small to work on all day every day. 15" is that sweet spot for longer use and portability and with the ability to use my 11" ipad pro as a second screen it is an ideal work from home set up for those in small living spaces..
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes
I can’t recall how many times I’ve had the exact same conversation with my friends. I really like the bigger screen and I don’t need the power for my personal laptop. Unfortunately, the only option for me right now is the base model 16”
I WANT a 16” Air
Absolutely
I don’t think Apple will ever produce a 15 inch Air but I am all in if they do.😎
This has been my wish. A bigger Apple silicon MacBook Air
Sure, apart from the bezels, the touch bar, the butterfly keyboard, the awful thermals, not to mention the performance gap, and the price, it was a great laptop!
That’s a lot of things to exclude xD
Bezels really aren’t that important on a laptop especially on most MacBooks since they weren’t that bad
LOL 😆
Not bezels… it’s a full width notch.
You described a full laptop
I switched from my old 2018 15” MBP to the new 16” M1 Max. I’m been trying to sell the old one and nobody wants it. Already down to $970 for it. No interest at all. That laptop was noisy, slow, buggy, meh.. the M1 MacBook Air destroys it in basically every way.
The 2018s have been specially hard hit for sure! Weirdly the 2016/17s haven't had too much impact even though they're the least powerful and have the worst butterfly keyboards!
I had the same device, had two logic board problems in 2 years. It's a oven cooking the internals until they fail. They worth $0 in my opinion and should be left in the storage and only used I case extreme need. They will die eventually like the Xbox 360 did.
@ Max Tech - That’s cos the 2018 had thermal issues and the flawed butterfly keyboard.
I'd rather have a 2015 than any 2016-2018.
@@movdqa I can't speak to that, but I waited til the 2019 16 inch MBP then pulled the trigger. I have not used it much for work, but due to pandemic, will be taking classes come August 2022 and plan to use it then. Best to all.
I have a 2019 15” for work and would never go back. The heat, noise, lack of battery life (which I’ve also had to replace twice due to bulging battery cells) and less color accurate, smaller screen (plus the nasty keyboard) are leagues different than the new pros. If you travel professionally than sure, maybe that extra half pound and an inch would kill ya but for most desk-focused people those size differences have no practical usability effect. The changes Apple made on the new Pros are focused in the right places, even if it resulted in a bit more size.
Are you gay?
I like the butterfly keyboard beach of the sound of the click and the clack when it works it is wonderful I do have a few broken keys myself but if there were no broken key this would be my favorite... my personal favorite would be the keyboard from the OG MacBook Pro of 2006 and then Powerbooks
Apple silicon refresh would eliminate these drawbacks
Just cuz it isn’t useful for you doesn’t mean others wouldn’t like it. A moderately big laptop that can still be carried around easily and doesn’t need cutting edge performance would slot in really well in the market … lots of people bought 15” mbp’s just for the size
Amen!
mine has the worst battery ever and replacing it is more expensive than purchasing a new one.
As a web dev, video editor and "photographer", M1 Pro 14" FTW! Love the content Luke.
see who's here!!! I love your content... Will be back on Sunday when new vid drops 😄
lol enjoy the notch apple sheep
@@ps5hasnogames55 I assure you, they are enjoying it. Stop dumping on others for enjoying the cup of tea you don't like. Windows user here, just in case.
@@elfedorausado no one likes the notch, nor the fact apple made the entire top of the display useless in full screen lol
@@ps5hasnogames55 yet, still, they sell them and people buy.them
I upgraded from the 2015 15" MBP to the 2021 16" MBP and there's basically no difference at all in size. I guess that's the good part of having missed out on the entire butterfly keyboard generation of MBPs. 😆
Same here!!! Before I got the 16” M1 I was worried it would be too big and was pleasantly surprised when they were more or less the exact same dimensions.
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Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
Yes, the thing is, the 2015" version has the same 2012 design. You bought a laptop that is bulkier than a 10y old one.
@@edimarjunior572 you mean the 2021 version?
@@DJ-Coma No, he means retina which released in mid 2012
I use a 16” from 2019, and my plan is to switch to a strong Apple silicon iMac, while having a light laptop on the side for travel and stuff. A 15” Air would be a dream come true for me as well
is coming
congratulations
it is today, the MacBook Air M2 15 inch
You got your dream. Maybe soon with a M3.
the time it took that 15" to wake up at 01:08 demonstrates one of the many things wrong with the Intel. I do prefer the form factor of the 15" or 16" Intel MBP but damn I don't miss the incredibly poor battery life, the constant feeling of being hot hot hot on your lap, or when you plug in an external monitor and the 5300M & 5500M models start getting hot and spinning up the fans while sitting there idling.
That's the problem with my 2020 XPS!! Its fast as heck .. i9 32gb, nice graphic card. But it Runs hot all the time, boot time is slow and problematic, and it's heavy, and it always dying. Plus win 11 is quirky at times. But l love screen and keyboard. I recently bought a 13 mbp m1 and love it. I do hate the lack of ports but everything else is gold!!
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tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
Intel is not the problem…
I have early 2015 mbp 13 on mojave and it wakes from sleep in literally 1 second.
Apple is just slowly sabotaging its own products through software updates to make new products seem “revolutionary”…
@@brunob8827 I don't think that delay there was anything intentional or malicious, I have the same laptop running Monterey and it too wakes from sleep in about a second or two (still slower than Apple silicon though, which is near instant).
@@seshpenguin thats good to hear, but I find it very confusing because some people have no issues with older macs but then on the other side there are ones that bash anything that is intel or last gen…
For me as an Software engineer in Spain, and also as a owner of the 2019 16 inch MacBook Pro and 16 inch m1 pro MacBook. I have to say it. Battery life is a game changer. I still use both of them because windows in my old 16 inch and I can feel the difference between them. Secondly, once you tried 120 hertz there is no come back to 60 hz. For me it is impossible. I like more the new keyboard. In my opinion, the new ones feels better. I like them more. With the black background it is nicer and easier to type. Also it doesn't get as hot as the old one. The only thing I really miss is the touchbar. I am Touch Bar guy, sorry.
About the size, for my usage it is not very noticeable. My bag is big enough to carry both of them and also my iPad Pro. But I have to agree with you, the new ones feels more chunky and bigger than the old ones. Every time I use the intel MacBook I see it more futuristic than the new one, which it feels something more classic and older, like it was from an earlier generation. I will buy if Apple releases it, the new 15 inch MacBook Air, with that kind of design you are saying, I am a screen real state fan as well!!
By the way, I was waiting for someone from the TH-cam community to share a video like you did to share my opinion and see what did they think about the new design. Now I don't feel lonely in this side.
Love your content Luke.
I learnt most of my English by watching your videos!!
I felt that the M1 macbook pros are not even ready for The applications to be able to run such as wrong such as using my DHW and plugins that are still not ready for the M1. I might get the 2019 16" macbook pro with more RAM, Storage, and i9 in the further future.
I agree with you i prefer old design than new was more futuristic the new ones are like old design apple is discounting all the 16 inch means is not selling good
Definitely never going back to 60Hz, and it's not even a new thing, I have a few CRT monitors and they all go way above 60Hz, and it's a struggle to use a 60Hz panel for me anymore when I could easily be using a 100Hz display instead.
is it only me that loves the butterfly keyboard?it feels great and you can get out the keys and clean the keyboard of you do it carefully
They did! in the 15" MacBook Air!
Apple is never going to listen to us again after this generation of macbooks is done! We complained for 6 years, they listened and we complained again. Dont cry when they dont listen to us again.
Minute 9:10… dreams come true!!!
Luke, I will admit that I thought this video was about getting some views only. After watching it I am glad I saw it. Some valid points have been made.
Good work today sir.
this is the most contradictory video ive ever seen lol. I remember when every one and you too probably were hating on the 15inch mbp because its too thin and not properly cooled and the display could be edge to edge like other laptops had it and now the same one that was so hated is the better one?
Apple gave us incredible slim notebooks, users as always start whining for thermals, ports…. Then Apple made bigger notebooks with inferior ports compared to versatile Thunderbolt 4, bigger battery and impressive thermals considering the power… and now we whine about the size and we want the slim MacBook Pro again? Please… And yes i typed ultra fast on butterfly keyboard, it was super slim but super clicky… wasn’t perfect but the whining habit are really sad.
The new 16’ MacBook only weighs about 6 pounds… it’s still very easy to slip into a bag and actually feels solid this time around. Add the beast like performance and an upgrade in every other category and you have a computer that isn’t made for a tray table, because a 15 inch never was. (The air or iPad is better suited. )
Plus you don’t need dongles! For 7 years Apple sacrificed inputs for form-factor and now that they finally listened and made this thing all powerful, you revert to intel based on form factor?
I don't get this whole weight argument. They weigh nothing compared to laptops from 10 years ago, are people really that weak nowadays that a few pounds means they're exhausted in a short amount of time or what?
Speaking of what's new for apple... Personally i think they need to slim down their lineups (pun intended). There are way too many options with different names ect. Keep the new mbp style but do a 12", 14" and 16" and just call them macbook. Get rid of the "air" lineup as the 12" would take its spot anyway. Same with phones. Tbh, if they got rid of all the excess weight (again pun intended) in their lineups and just simplified things plus bring the prices down just a bit to more reasonable levels they'd easily break even or even make profit as their products would be more affordable to more people hence more devices sold. I'd wager people don't upgrade as much as they want to due to everything being confusing about what/which/when/why devices they should get.
TL:DR - Too many choices for average consumer, simplify and bring more people over from Android... win win for Apple.
@@dodo19923 Sedentary society. People need to do more deadlifts. I carry my 2021 16 in my old 2007 MBP 17 bag. It's actually swimming in that backpack. You could actually put two 17s in that thing with lots of padding and room for books and other stuff. I used to carry two backpacks in the thing, one for work and one for personal.
No way Jose! I won't give up my 16" M1pro chunky boy! nope! I don't need to work on airplanes...I'm good...bye old style Macbook....bring on the chunky boys!
I love the content but this I can’t agree with. I was just on two 3 hour flights with my 16 inch M1 Pro and had absolutely zero issues. It fit on my tray, I was able to do some work and get through a whole movie. Was it a little tight? Sure. Was I able to use an external mouse? No. But it was completely and totally fine and fit without a problem. I just don’t really understand when content creators make the 16 inch to be some sort of cinderblock. Yes it is slightly heavier but no, it will not completely change how it feels in your bag. It still ultimately feels like you have a laptop in your bag.
11:36 and here we are today! 15" Macbook Air in fruition!
I feel that the 2019 macbook pro is the best keyboard apple has ever made on a laptop. It feels tactile enough and has enough travel for it to feel nice and pleasant to type on. I did try the new M1 Max macbook pro keyboard, though it feels nice, i do not like it as much as the 2019 keyboard. I hate the touch-bar though. I was a interesting concept but not implemented properly.
What do you guys think?
My 2017 15 inch MacBook pro feels really good to date. And for my web development workloads, it just runs perfectly. No crazy fan noise. No crazy heat issues. It still looks stellar and I am indifferent about the touch bar.
You don't use i? It's great you can set it up for a lot of stuff when you code!
I did prefer the Butterfly keyboard in terms of feel. It was sort-of clicky, it was very low travel, and I don't know why, but I thought it felt REALLY good. But the reliability was definitely a deal-breaker.The new Magic Keyboard is definitely a good compromise between the feel of the Butterfly boards and the reliability of a normal switch.
🤢 those keyboards were trash
I think the keyboard may have bred good but the reliability was the thing that killed it
Yea I'm on the same boat. The keyboard feels really "premium" If you can say that. But the reliability was what killed it, its just a fundamentally flawed designed.
@@seshpenguin I agree, I've just began rocking the butterfly keyboard and I love the feel of it, just the reliability of the keyboard is what is holding it back especially since apple is taking away the repair programs of older Macs with these keyboards
Im completely with you I have an old function row 2017 macbook pro and I love the feel of the butterfly keyboard but yeah im very very lucky I havent had any issues yet
That’s a tight rope you’re walking, bemoaning MacBooks for sacrificing thermals and performance, and then turning around and bemoaning MacBooks for being too chunky- and sacrificing thinness for performance.
My personal view is that the 13" MBP is the perfect size. When I'm at home I'll connect it to my large monitor and when I'm away from home I don't usually spend hours on my laptop so the smaller 13" screen is just perfect. But then I haven't had my hands on one of the 14" models yet!
I had a 15" model when I was at uni and it just didn't work for me from a portability perspective!
I felt the same way! But when I got my hands on the new m1 mbp it didn't feel like that big of a change. It's still a really portable device.
My sister has the 13 M1 MBP, it’s straight up too small. The form factor is fine, but the screen is just way too small. The 14 inch is honestly perfect, with its super slim bezels, gives you way more screen in a similar form factor
I used my old 17" mbp on planes all the time... This 16" feels small and light after carrying that around for 10yrs.
Same
I just made exactly the same comment! I don't know what airplanes he's flying on, I''ve had no problems using a 17" on planes, my new M1 16" is a perfect form factor for me.
100% agreement. I find a screen less than 16” basically unusable for coding. I carried my 17” MBP in my backpack to school on the bus and ran around with it on my back, and so many people were commenting on what a great size it was.
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th-cam.com/video/Xvbuwfawqcc/w-d-xo.html - granted, I’ve never seen such a spacious aircraft.
I really like the size of my 13” M1 MBP and it has all the performance I need… If the screen were a little larger I wouldn’t be mad about it, so I think a lot of people would go for a 15” MacBook Air, if the price was right. The battery life would probably be off the hook too.
Want a bigger browsing computer? Go for an upgraded 2010 17” then
Apple : Let make our laptops thin
Tech TH-camrs : We wouldn't mind thicker laptops for a better thermal and keyboard
Apple : Ok we listened and here is the M1 Pro/Max laptops.
Tech TH-camrs : We wouldn't mind the previous thin design!
WTF? 😂😂😂
It seems that youtubers are trying to make new content to satisfy the Google algorithms and they ran out of ideas and are posting dumb stuff like this.
TH-camrs: make videos expressing ideas
Comments: oversimplify and ignore the points and concessions of the video
TH-camrs: ...
I never said to get rid of the thick design, rather add a new category for a large screen portable device that some would find appealing.
This dude flip flops on everything.
@@lukemiani Aren't the new designs technically the same size as the old ones if you consider the bulge?
👍 agree! ....The problem is comparing the new 16" MacBook Pro M1 to older MacBooks. If you compare it to PC laptops, I was carrying around a 15" that was twice as thick, twice as heavy 🪨, and slightly bigger.... The new 16" MacBook Pro M1 is a dream slim, light-weight, 16" in a 15" form factor, laptop to me! ....and minus the poor battery life, fan noise, heat, and low performance........ 👍😎💜
Next video: I went back to a PowerBook G4 and… I liked it?
How many time people really are going to be in an airplane in a month and working in an airplane? So that argument is kind a weak to me. I rather have a big real state when I travel and reach my destination than a small screen and when I reach my destination the screen size will slow me down
It was fun to watch this video AFTER the 15" macbook air came out. Luke had this idea in mind for a very long time!
It is totally fine to keep using and loving the 2019 MacBook Pro, just like keep driving the car you bought 20 years ago. It just makes no sense to choose the 2019 MBP if it is at the same price with the M1 Pro MBP.
Also, it is far too silly to call the 15” design as a MacBook “Air”.
I know you know but don’t forget about the ports on new laptops and what you need to bring along going back to the 15”
Eh... I use a 4 port 13inch and I've never had any issues with just using a dongle with charging throughput. You're still only using one port, and I can just leave dongle connected to the charger. At this point in time, I'm just hoping that along with SD cards, cameras will follow suit and simply use a USB-C for transferring photos and video.
Some people absolutely love the return of the SD card, and fair enough, but if you're a light-mid user, the amount of times that port actually gets used is negligible, and a dongle connected to your power cable is fine.
HDMI? Same thing, the dongle works fine and the best thing about it is that those ports are then transferrable to any USB-C device, and if those ports break? Well it's a hell of a lot cheaper and more convenient to replace a dongle than it is to send the entire machine back to Apple for them to overcharge on repairs.
A 15 Inch MacBook Air would be the ideal laptop for me.
I was considering getting the 16 Inch M1 Pro MacBook Pro purely because of the screen size. I don't care much for the performance of the M1 Pro and Max, M1 level performance is good enough for my needs.
Let's see where Spring/Fall this year takes us, I can afford to wait another year or two.
I’m in the same thinking as you. I bought the 16 just for the screen size. Performance is not a consideration. M1 would have been sufficient.
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Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
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Totally agree. I would love a 15 inch M1 MacBook air.. A larger screen with similar spec to a Macbook air, not to chunky with good enough performance even if it is not M1Pro/Max level. And of course a more reasonable price then a MacBook pro. On the PC world, one can choose the screen size independent of the performance.
@@jeanjasinczuk7543 there’s one more thing to consider about air’s. The ports are atrocious. The newer pros excel at port selection. So an air 15 or 16 still might not be appealing.
wow your Macbook Air 15' prophecy happened!!!!!
A 15" air M1/2 would be perfect for me too. I have the 15" 2018 MBP.
Who chooses a MacBook Pro less powerful, with less ports, with less good screen, with less good sound, with butterfly keyboard, with touch bar and with heat problems because is smaller?
I'm watching him XD
After replacing my 2019 intel 16 inch MacBook Pro, which I kept to the side, I returned my 16 inch M1 Pro MacBook. I returned it since, as a university student, I found I didn't have much use for it and didn't use it any differently than the Intel version. To put it another way, I returned it since I wasn’t using it to its full potential.
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tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
Funny. May I ask why you tried to replace a perfectly functional and super fast 2019 mac laptop when you really never needed it? Was it the marketing hype ? TH-camrs overselling it?
@@mrparts Tbh with you, it was great percentage of both. I was under the impression that I needed a slightly larger screen and faster laptop, but I soon realized that I didn't use it any differently than I did before and that I had just wasted $3500 CAD on something I already had. So, if you're thinking about buying one of the new MacBooks, think about whether you really need it and what you're going to use it with and for, because, like me, I didn't use it to its full potential, so it was a waste of money.
@@xfinity319 Exactly, I have had several Macbooks and an old Mac pro (Cheese grater). Providing you can do what you want in reasonable time keep what you have. You will never get back what you paid for the latest cutting edge device. I'm sure people mostly upgrade for bragging rights and be able to tell everyone how fast blender works on the machine and quote how many percent Apple claim improvements over their last incarnation. I'm doing this on a 2009 white plastic macbook after graphic chip failures on my original MBP. Most of the time I am happy using an old Lenovo T420 running linux mint on, but hey... horses of courses and whatever floats your boat and keeps you happy, Stay well .
I had a 13 inch Macbook Pro 2019, the butterfly keyboard I prefer over the regular one. Nice and clean typing.
I prefer the butterfly keyboard. I loved the tactile feel and the rigid confident click no matter where you touched the keys. I do understand that I am in the rare in camp in that I didn’t have issues with mine but I still wished they fixed the issues rather than move back.
I have been looking to replace my old 13 in MacBook Pro from 2011 and wanted a larger screen. I only use it for light computing, web browsing and streaming so I do not need a powerful M1 Pro or Max. I would buy the new M1 MacBook Air if it had a bigger screen. 15 in would be perfect. I am not too bothered about the mini led display if that helps keep the cost down. Please do it Apple!!
The old design is amazing. Perhaps Apple Silicon would work fine in that smaller form factor with less ventilation issues, but I’m guessing Apple didn’t want to risk more thermal problems & starting with an all-new generation was a good idea.
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tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
I travel business and first and the 16 inch M1 Pro MacBook Pro fits perfectly. Also as a video editor the monitor is top for editing HDR content. Cant go back to any other Mac.
15" MBP ain't that much smaller than 16" MBP, and it doesn't even fit in airplane tray tables well. So that intro doesn't make much sense. If they made a 15" MacBook Air that's close to the size of something like the XPS 15 9500, that'd be great.
Butterfly keyboard was sooooo satisfying to click and text on it. Still miss it after 2 years using 16" MBP
I owned 2 butterfly keyboard MacBook (not Air, not Pro) ultralights and had zero keyboard issues over 5 years. Obviously the design has problems, but I kept my laptops clean and I learned to properly TOUCH type (high school typing class) so I never hammered on it like I observe millennials doing.
Try taking notes all day, eventually you won’t be able to touch type fast enough.
@@MultiPcExpertGhost then you do what I do and just plop a mechanical keyboard on the deck and type away
@@CompMeistR Can’t do that in a lecture room full of people
@@MultiPcExpertGhost never stops me
As a programmer idgaf I hammer away on those suckers, and will not stop if it breaks then it was poorly manufactured simple as that.
Keyboard travel is part of the typing experience. And those butterfly keyboards lack any meaningful travel so I found myself hitting the same keys because sometimes they wouldn't be detected by a simple tap, and because there's barely any travel hammering away isn't all that satisfying or possible. I'm glad I never had to daily drive those god awful keyboards.
i also love the butterfly keyboard, please don't judge, because it's super thin, easy to use, and i've had absolutely no defect with it at all! when I was trying my dad's 12 inch macbook, it was great!
I can see Apple creating a new middle ground with a Macbook line of 13" and 15" using black bezels and being between the air and pro.
I’ve used the both the butterfly versions of 13 and 15 inch Touch Bar laptops, as well as the magic keyboard 13 and 16 inch Touch Bar laptops, not the new 14 and 16 inch pros though. The benefits of the butterfly laptops were that they were thinner, resulting in less sharp edge on the wrist. I noticed the sharp edges more on the magic keyboard models. The other benefits are less light bleed (nice at night), also full size left and right buttons (I would prefer full size up and down keys as well even if the down key extends below the rest of the Keyboard). For typing a lot all day though I prefer the magic keys, and I roll up a shirt to rest my wrists on and avoid the sharp edges. Optimal would be a tapered design with the magic keys. I like the Touch Bar for app shortcuts and customizable.
If you keep complaining about these new laptops that are finally fit for professional use, Apple's going to start "innovating" again, and the next MBP will come without a screen because "brave."
1:14 No you're not. Heavier than a M1 Pro 14" (by half a pound), slower, and with lower screen resolution. Only thing going for it is cheaper. Larger MB Air probably a good idea but you should have gone into where it might slot into the Apple laptop lineup in terms of cost.
I think the new Blender 3.1 alpha has big performance improvements on M1.
Y’all said you wanted a chunky laptop and when y’all got one you complain, there is no end
I bought a fully loaded 27" i9 iMac at the end of last year. I'm positive the M1s will be better, but I need the compatibility for the moment and the horsepower is more than sufficient.
I recently upgraded from a 2013 15 inch MacBook Pro to a 2019 16 inch and honestly I hardly noticed the difference in size
I believe the macbooks got thinner after 2015 up until the 16 inch came out (which is also still thinner than the newest 16 inch), so the size difference is significantly bigger for Luke.
@@ifihadfriends437 Yes good point on thickness, but I am referring to screen size. He said it doesn't fit on an airplane try and is harder to travel with. That has not been my experience going from a 15 to 16. My display is same size as the new ones.
@@MichaelBordenaro Honestly I think the 15 inch is already bit of a pain to travel with. I tend to go carry on only so that 2kg of non-malleable kind of sucks (to the point where I've seriously considered buying a little chromebook for travel.)
@@ifihadfriends437 Yeah I suppose everyone is different on that. I'm not really a lite traveler so its not a big deal for me.
Old slim design with the power of new M1 max. .. Holy shit.
That was my first though just after I saw the new macbooks with M1 pro and max processors..
@@nnnnnn3647 you think apple was wrong to bring back the ports?!?
@@nnnnnn3647 but thanks to that these devices are all day long on battery. This is what laptop should be. You can always have MBA with M1 if you want smaller laptop. We're not there yet to have the maximum performance in a matchbox sized device.
@@nnnnnn3647 you can do the same task on M1MBA as on 2019 Intel MBP. But if you want to go increased performance, increased battery and no noise from the fans at the same time then you don't get the smaller device. M1 iPad and M1 MBA (even the M1 MBP) are the devices that provide you answer to what you expected from ARM.
@@nnnnnn3647 They are still on the same batteries. Can't beat physics. Also I don't see anything surprising in fact, that 2 years newer CPUs are more powerfull, at expense of sick thermals and power consumption....
@@nnnnnn3647 lol it’s called being giving option. You have a desktop level processor on a tablet… what’s thinner and lighter than that?
You’re also going to ignore how these don’t overheat at all compare to the intel MBP?
I love the 15” MacBook Air talk. I would love to see/have that product.
A thin and light and more affordable M1 16” would be an instant purchase for me
Yes
Although the regular 13" MacBook Air is good enough for my needs and don't really desire a bigger display, I know a ton of people who would really like to have a bigger MacBook but doesn't need all of the power from the M1 Pro. So I do hope Apple does make a 15" MacBook Air.
Very interesting video, Luke! As for my thoughts: Speaking only of the form factor, and not the tech specs, I prefer the look of the 2019 version - and the M1 MacBook Air/Pro - over the new, "retro" look. I actually don't understand the apparent fascination with going retro, and I especially HATE the retro look of the new M1 iMacs...they look cheap and toy-like, IMHO, and I would never buy such a cheap-looking desktop to replace my 27" 5K iMac designed by Jony Ive. I was considering getting a MacBook Air when the new, M2 version comes out, but if it looks anything like the renders I've seen - carrying on the retro look - I'll either not get one, or get the M1 version before they're sold out.
The look of the new macs is not just looks is to give enough space for have good cooling solutions. Old MacBook pros thermal throttled with the intel chips because those chips were not design for those thin chasis. Perhaps the M1 would perform good enough but with a bigger chasis they run cooler and less fan speed.
The 14/16 MacBook Pros are design-wise a harp back to the Titanium PowerBook, which was designed by Jony himself. They went "retro" with this design for no other reason other than the fact that the actual "pros" who were using the prior MacBook Pros absolutely hated the design with their guts because it was a functional disaster. So I feel like the analogy doesn't really work in the context of the 14/16 MacBook Pros. Plus you can always just get a silver version of the 24-inch iMac, that option's still there no matter what config. The colours are there for the ones who really want them. If you haven't already, you should take a look at the new Macs in store, the physical design makes straight intuitive sense once you can feel the products in your hand
As I said in my initial comment, I was ONLY speaking about aesthetics, NOT tech specs, cooling needs, port availability, etc., and, since everyone is entitled to their own opinion about aesthetics, I was expressing mine, that the older MacBooks LOOK better, IN MY OPINION, than the latest versions, essentially agreeing with Luke. And, since Jony Ive was at Apple until 2019, I assume he was, at least partially, if not entirely, responsible for the design of the 2016-2019 MacBooks, showing that his aesthetic sense evolved beyond his 2012 MacBook version - and his earlier original iMac and the "colorful" iBook. As I said, aesthetic sense varies from person to person, and everyone is entitled to their own: some people like the 1957 Dodge, others like the 1975 Corvette, neither opinion is "wrong," they are just an individual's opinion.
I have wrist problems and the butterfly keyboard is the only keyboard that doesn’t aggravate them. I’ve tried mechanical and ergonomic and nothing worked. The new magic keyboard thankfully has been fine too, but nothing felt as good to my wrists as the butterfly keyboards.
I'm done with super thin laptops. I'd rather have slightly thicker laptop like the M1 pro/max MBP with superior thermals.
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tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
So I just got the 2017 macbook pro 15inch speced out almost and tbh I love it. The dedicated graphics are good for gaming, video production, and overall handles what I need. I had the 12inch macbook and never had issues with the butterfly keyboards and kinda liked it.
To me the design on the 2016-2020 macbook pro looks more luxurious than it is now even though the new gen is quite great 👍
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tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
With the new 15" Macbook Air just released at WWDC, seems they delivered exactly what you reqested!
I miss the touchbar!! It had that kinda special and premium feel to it and was dynamic and convenient to use. I also liked the butterfly quite a bit. It felt quicker to me but it depends on what you‘re used to.
Touchbar is great for skipping YT Ads 👍😊
I am using 2020 intel 13 macbook pro about a yeaf and i cant understand people who hates touchbar that much. Its practical easy to use but too ahead for todays standards. It could be better but apple removed whole unit :(((
I switched from a 13 inch Touch Bar MBP, and the new 16 inch form factor is AMAZING I love looking at the screen and the entire build is so so much better
Finally someone recognise this problem :) For me the new 16" its just feel huge compared the old 15".. As a webdeveloper I dont need a M1 Pro, or Max, I dont care how fast it exports video, but I need the screen size fo coding! simply a M1 would be enough but with a big screen, but in smaller body, which I can easyl carry around wherever I want to work.. if apple would create 15" air, that would be instant get for me..
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tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
I really liked the idea and feel of the butterfly keyboard besides the durability and reliability issues
Pro of Butterfly keyboard after comparing with 2012 macbook pro: My fingers dont get stuck with the keys when fast typing
“I’m going back…to click bait” come on Luke 🥱
The Butterfly keyboard is better for me when I have to type the long essay as the key travel is very short so I don’t feel as fatigued as the new keyboard. I have never encountered the stuck or double key at all in one and a half year (Bought it second hand and the kb was replaced to the one with silicone protection layer). Also I noticed less backlight leaks on the gap between the chassis and the keys. However, it just the keyboard that I liked on my old 2017 13” w/o touchbar. My new m1 pro 14” is far superior in every way
Bruh what. Buy a mechanical keyboard and ascend to godhood.
@@mauricioe.matamoros8993 I have a $250 64% custom mech but I still prefer the very low travel.
I didn’t mind the butterfly keyboard, the key travel wasn’t that much but the keys still felt clicky. HOWEVER, if anything got under them or after some time, they start to feel mushy or become unreliable. I can’t say I prefer it or not though because I haven’t used it in lil while
this is becoming too much like painfully honest techs channel... i love the new macbook, i hate the new macbook, i went back to the old mac, i went back to the m1, i hate all macs, i decided to go back to the m1 max... just hear me out 💩
11:00 I think I've solved how would a laptop could have less device footprint but large screen real estate. Once I get enough money, I might make a video on it. I don't want people to steal my idea lol. All I'll say is LG Wing.
I hope Apple keeps the Air series as the (relatively) low-cost entry laptop, with the M1 processor, and 13" and 15" options, and saves the Pro/Max/M2 silicon for the more expensive MB Pro line. I think they could make more money by gradually dropping the price, than they could by adding unnecessary performance to a machine that's already way over the top for entry-level users. The market for $400-$500 laptops is massive, and Apple could own it with an M1 Air in that range.
I’m still rolling with the MacBook retina 15.4”mid 2012 with Intel i7 16gb ram and nvidia gt650 still good MacBook performs well quite happy with it
My friend loves the butterfly keyboard… he is no longer my friend after he told me that
😂😂😂👍🏻
I fully agree .... In love with the last Macbook Air of my girl and about the buy a 16" M1Pro basic . It clearly needs a 15" slim design...
Tbh, I actually like the butterfly keyboard when it works. It sounds nice, I can easily slide by fingers from key to key, and I really like the slim key travel when pressed. I just really hate how a good amount of my keys either double tap or simply don’t register when tapped. It’s a pain for typing papers or programming. I wish Apple would have been able to truly fix it before dumping it.
Just bought a t9500 for my 2007 iMac, gonna do some surgery to get that beast up to Catalina. Your videos have been quite inspiring. I also have an M1 MBA, the iMac is gonna be for the Kids
I’ve been saying this since the release of the M1 Pro and Max! Apple hasn’t had a lower lever machine with a large screen like on the PC side, which a lot of people would love to have! Let’s be honest, the M1 MacBook Air’s performance is great right now, with fantastic battery life and not everyone needs the full pro spec machine however, having a larger screen in a fan less design with improved performance over the current machine? Heck yeah, we would take that!
There’s so many other aspects like ML , encoders etc pure grunt isn’t the only aspect . Good Luck with your new heater
So essentially "Apart from practically everything about it it's a great laptop"? It's a pity we can't see the dislike counter any more.
Unfortunately, after using my macbook pro 13 inch base model from 2019 for two years and one month the screen has a black line on it for a couple of months, the keyboard is not as clicky as it was new and i have a stuck key... Thank god i bought one more year of warranty.
It didn’t aged like i thought. But never crashed on me and always done the work its supossed to do.
Let me get this straight when the 14 and a 16 inch M ones came out this year everybody including you were raving about them. They didn’t do anything revolutionary with the ports they just gave them back to you and the mag safe. and I’m sure to do that they had to beef it up a little bit make a little thicker. Everybody was impressed with the performance they were happy to have the ports back people loved the display the keyboard the trackpad and a few months later you’ve decided it’s too thick it’s too heavy? I enjoy your videos but I am a little confuse why you didn’t figure this in before you purchased one it seems like the 14 inch would’ve been better for you To use when you’re traveling.I’m glad Apple is making things a little thicker I’m glad the phones are a little thicker so we have more batteries I’m over the thin crap let’s make things a thin as we possibly can I’m past that if it’s a little thicker a little heavier but you get an advantage from it signed me up.like I said I’m just confuse people don’t think things through when they purchase something but that’s your choice you spent the money whatever makes you happy I certainly wouldn’t go backwards in performance
I agree with you but please use some punctuation between sentences.
@@AlejandroLZuvic Apparently didn’t stop you from understanding when I was saying seeing you agree to it I love the grammar police but you have a blessed day ……,,,,,,?????;;;;…. There you go
@@romcapprotti7477 it’s a little piece of advice, calm down.
You're talking to a guy who spent five figures on *FOUR* M1 Pro/Max MBPs for comparison and benchmarking.
@@mizshellytee I’m well aware of that but thank you for reminding me
I've the exact same 16" M1 Max as you and.... I love it
Wow to keep making content with no new products = this videio😂 next weeks video will be “ Why I’m back to the m1 macs”
Hey Luke, I am rocking a 2017 MBP with 16Gb ram and 4GB GPU. the CPU is the i7 2.9. I want to say that I love the butterfly keyboard. I feel comfortable typing on it. I also love the touch bar to boot. I get upset, however, when I use my mac mini for editing simply because I'm not too fond of the keyboard.
Whilst I was initially reluctant to accept a modest trade-in figure from Apple for my 2019 15" MBP, I do not regret for one moment shelling-out for the current 16" M1 Pro MBP.
The Intel model was - to put it kindly - a buggy, loud, overheating, crash-prone embarrassment of what was supposed to be a premium, high-performance computer. It certainly did not deserve the 'Pro' moniker.
You said so yourself in your October 15th video - effectively saying that the dirt-cheap prices for Intel models would reflect their undesirability.
Certain software issues with Catalina and Big Sur didn't help matters either, and Time Machine on Monterey is currently a disgrace.
Granted, the current 16" model is perhaps not the most versatile unit to incorporate into cabin luggage - certainly not when good quality protective cases - not sleeves - are nowhere to be found. I would argue, however, that the current 16" model is not necessarily meant for that, but rather for working-from-home professionals who don't necessarily see the point in a heavier - and much less portable - desktop.
I would probably have chosen a 15" model if Apple had offered it with an M1 Pro chip, but I have no problem with the extra weight in the 16" model either.
With all due respect, I think you missed the point of his video. He even acknowledged that pretty much everything but the form factor was not the greatest, and that the new MacBook Pros are better. What he was saying is that form factor and thinness would be perfect for a new 15” MacBook Air with Apple Silicon. He was pointing out that all of the compromises the Intel Macs had to make to be thin are next to gone with Apple Silicon. So no, he is not saying the 15” MacBook Pro is desirable for power users; he is saying that form factor would be desirable to causal users not needing or wanting the price, thickness, and power of the 16” MacBook Pro.
@@ucanthavemyname9802 Fair enough: The old 15" form-factor was indeed sleek, and it would've made a lot of sense to me, if the base M1 MBP had been offered as a 15" model as well. I don't really know why Apple retired that size.
In my admittedly uneducated opinion, there are no redeeming features in the Intel model from 2019: Even the sleek form-factor did it no favours with regard to heat-management. Hence my initial post. Cheers for the feedback.
Now the 15-inch Air is there
.... yeah this is click bait... yet here I am in the comments giving you engagement... shame on me.
Hey Luke! I just got my MacBook Pro 2017 today (full spec) and I ask where you get your wallpaper from on your MBP. I love it. Just as much as I love *ALL* your videos!!
Thanks xx
Clickbait as videos lmao
THANK YOU! Been wishing for a big screen but smaller build. SOOO many people buy Apple but don't need that power!
This video makes no sense.
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I don’t think the 1” gain in screen size over the 14 is enough considering the power loss
You're running out of video ideas Luke, we can see that! No one will choose intel over M1..only people who need specific x86 apps. End of the debate, have a nice day!
Sorry I actually really do prefer the butterfly keyboard. It feels faster to me to type on in short bursts than the "new style" keyboard. I have had carpal tunnel in the past and the ultra short key throw is nicer on the wrists to me also. I'm not sure about extended typing but for fast iMessage replies, web searches, etc I think the butterfly keyboard is better.
I really feel like the butterfly keyboard is unfairly maligned. It feels strange when you first sit down to use it, but after a couple of minutes you barely notice. I've had a few key problems, but working the key a bit always brings it back. Easy enough to fix.