Let’s go back to the beginning: The Wylde chamber is all about seating VLD bullets on or slightly off lands for 500/600 yard single loading US Service Rifle Competition, period. The .223 chamber free bore is too short to properly seat VLD bullets and the 5.56 chamber’s free bore is too long to accommodate VLD’s properly. That’s it. And still today it’s the 500/600/1000 yard high power rifle competition events that make the Wylde chambering viable. Now, these days a match chamber will also mean a minimum diameter neck and that along with a Wylde free bore length, 80+ grain VLD bullets can be shot to long distances extremely well. My experience as an American High Power Rifleman in Long Range Award Winner suggest sub 2 MOA from an iron sight AR is possible at 1000 yards in a prevailing wind. So far though I have only come to realize an 94% average at 1000 yards with my AR. The issue is many of the VLD’s I have shot at 1000 yards only have an MOA wind constant of 10, meaning just an unobservable 1 mph full value wind change will displace the bullet about 10 inches at 1000 yards and thus few hits in the 10 inch X-Ring.
Ummm the .223 Remington has a .040 freebore. 5.56 NATO has a .070 freebore and the Wylde has a .078 freebore.... You can seat just as long with a 5.56 as you can a wylde. I can't post pics here, but go to pacific tool and look at the reamer specs. The laede angle is a tad different between 5.56 and Wylde which makes the overall throat length, FB+Laede a tiny bit smaller on the Wylde. I can't remember offhand, it's like 19 thousandths or something. For for all practical purposes seating depth to jam would be about the same between the two. As the OP figured out, both have the same accuracy. Wylde chambers are snake oil..... The difference between one barrel blank to another will show more accuracy variation than a Wylde chamber vs 5.56. And unless you're single loading the rifle, you aren't getting anywhere near the lands in ether of them considering you'd be about .100 over mag length.
Wylde doesn't have a minimum diameter neck either... It's actually the biggest of the 3. 223 is .2550 ..... 5.56 is .551....and Wylde is .2568. If you want accuracy, use a modern bullet with a hybrid ogive.. tangent for bearing surface, secant for BC. I can shoot .2-.3 groups in a 5.56 chamber with a 77gr lapua scenar-l over H4064
I don’t get why people bother with 5.56 now if they have .223 wylde barrel. 5.56 costs more, has usually higher SD, and puts more wear on the chambering
I have a 556 and 223 Wylde both 18 in. They both shoot about .5 moa when I'm on my game with match ammo. I don't see any significant difference between the two.
The cost is only pennies in difference per round right now, but the 5.56 round is more effective at distance, especially with shorter barrels than the 20 inch that the bullets were designed to fragment at for maximum effectiveness against a meat target at distances of say 250-300+ yards, but yeah, just plinking it does not matter really, But SHTF 5.56 is the better choice in general for effectiveness, not that a .223 won't work, just not as effective overall, unless say using a 24 inch barrel.. If you look at the velocity ratings of .223 they are usually using 24in bolt action barrels and the 5.56 usual velocity rating is using a 20in barrel and if you look at the comparison between the 2 the 5.56 is still faster though rated with a 4 inch shorter barrel, So the velocity ratings on .223 is misleading though for those that do not know that they rate the velocity of .223 out of a 24in. barrel vs. the 5.56 with a 20in.. @@alecubudulecu
You are not passing correct information it's not the Diameter it's the through length where did you find the literature on the pressure of the two as I would love to read it
@jamesabreu613 you should be able to find the details on how SAMI pressure test compared to NATO. One drills a hole in the middle of the case while the other drills the hole in the back of the case. I don't remember which does which, but it's not a secret. The different methods result in different pressure readings
The development and goals of the 223 Wylde chambering is documented. The accuracy I talked about in the video is from my own testing. Subsequent to the video I did get a .5 moa with match ammo in 223 Wylde barrel. I also have gotten .5 moa from a 556 Barrel. Using match ammunition with velocity variances of less then 30 ft/s matters more than whose name is on the barrel.
A shooter who has developed picture memory, using a 6 o’clock hold can get sub MOA at 100 yards as easily from irons as from an optic. US Service Rifle Competitors have proven this thousands of times. I have occasionally shot 20 round for record strings where 85% of my rounds have been inside the 3/4 inch X-Ring of the MR-31 Target.
Noob to ARs here. I was kinda buying into the 223 wylde hype for my 1st. Think I'll just stick with 5.56. I just wonder, if most are not going to be shooting out to 1000yds, why are most barrels in 1/7 if it was mainly made to stabilize heavy long range pills & tracers?
I think the twist rate is a bit overhyped. I was shooting 45 grains out of 1/7 and 1/8 in a recent video that I did. I also have concluded that the 223 Wylde there's a bit over hyped. I have done a lot more shooting since I made this video and the difference is not noticeable. The ammunition and personal shooting consistency is going to make more of a difference.
Would have been nice to see results from shooting .223 ammo from a wylde barrel vs. a 5.56 barrel. Makes sense that 5.56 would be a little more accurate when shot from a 5.56 chambered barrel.
Both shoot .5 moa with good ammunition regardless if it is 556 or 223.. I tend to get the better groups with the 556 Ruger MPR more frequently. Does not matter if the ammunition is stamped 223 or 556.
@@absolutegunrights3079 5/17/24 - Good to know. Thanks. I have a Ruger MPR and like it a bunch. A couple of days ago I received a Radical Firearms 18" .223 Wylde 1:8 S.S. Rifle-Length Barreled Upper - 15" M-LOK RPFU18-223W-SS-15RPR-BMD-18R Gen3 Rail and BMD Brake that I ordered from Primary Arms currently priced at 199.99. (search the PA website for "FU18-223W-SS-15RPR-BMD-18"). BCG & CH. is not included. I haven't fooled with it yet. It will be interesting to see how the Radical upper performs next to the Ruger MPR upper.
My experience as a CMP-USAMU Military Rifle Instructor is Mk262, a 77 grain 5.56 match long range round, can be shot by a trained shooter to 600 meters from prone sling supported position using a rack grade M4 to get sub 2 MOA groupings. That’s extraordinary but Mk 262 is indeed a very accurate round. As I understand it that ammunition can hold to .64 MOA at 300 meters when shot from a match conditioned rifle.
Its not the chambering as much as it is the quality of the barrel from start to finish….. I run Lothar barrels in a few of mine and they all are very accurate! One ragged hole @ 100 and I have one 5.56 chambered that can do half inch easily…… its a 24” Stag bull barrel….. again its QUALITY because a shitty 223 wylde can shoot terrible.
I did manage to get a half inch Group at 100 yards on different days. I think I just pulled my shots a little bit when I did these tests. A longer 24 Barrel will definitely do better. I've noticed I consistently shoot better with the 18-in barrels over the 16-in barrels.
@@absolutegunrights3079 ohhhh yes! I love my Stag 15 barrel….. over a inch at barrel nut and tapers to .936 at gas block down…… I load my own ammo so I have some killer loads for it with blistering velocity that makes it like a laser beam….. Ive had it out to 736 yards before making great hits with a Sierra TMK in the right at 2900 fps plus fps category!
When they test the pressure on 223 they drill a hole in the middle of the cartridge. When they test on the 556 they drill near the neck where the pressure is greater. If they drill a hole in the same place for each cartridge it will pressure the same all other things being equal like gunpowder, bullet weight, bullet seating, primer.
Subsequent to this video I did get a.5 moa on the 223 wylde on several occasions. Both guns shoot the same.
Thankyou for making such excellent content. It's very informative.
I'm glad you like the video. Thank you for your feedback.
Man, thanks. Really appreciated this. very informative
I did manage to get a .5 MOA with the 223 Wild subsequent to the video. They both shoot the same.
Let’s go back to the beginning: The Wylde chamber is all about seating VLD bullets on or slightly off lands for 500/600 yard single loading US Service Rifle Competition, period. The .223 chamber free bore is too short to properly seat VLD bullets and the 5.56 chamber’s free bore is too long to accommodate VLD’s properly. That’s it. And still today it’s the 500/600/1000 yard high power rifle competition events that make the Wylde chambering viable. Now, these days a match chamber will also mean a minimum diameter neck and that along with a Wylde free bore length, 80+ grain VLD bullets can be shot to long distances extremely well. My experience as an American High Power Rifleman in Long Range Award Winner suggest sub 2 MOA from an iron sight AR is possible at 1000 yards in a prevailing wind. So far though I have only come to realize an 94% average at 1000 yards with my AR. The issue is many of the VLD’s I have shot at 1000 yards only have an MOA wind constant of 10, meaning just an unobservable 1 mph full value wind change will displace the bullet about 10 inches at 1000 yards and thus few hits in the 10 inch X-Ring.
Thank you for that post. That's a lot of excellent information.
Ummm the .223 Remington has a .040 freebore. 5.56 NATO has a .070 freebore and the Wylde has a .078 freebore.... You can seat just as long with a 5.56 as you can a wylde. I can't post pics here, but go to pacific tool and look at the reamer specs. The laede angle is a tad different between 5.56 and Wylde which makes the overall throat length, FB+Laede a tiny bit smaller on the Wylde. I can't remember offhand, it's like 19 thousandths or something. For for all practical purposes seating depth to jam would be about the same between the two. As the OP figured out, both have the same accuracy. Wylde chambers are snake oil..... The difference between one barrel blank to another will show more accuracy variation than a Wylde chamber vs 5.56. And unless you're single loading the rifle, you aren't getting anywhere near the lands in ether of them considering you'd be about .100 over mag length.
Wylde doesn't have a minimum diameter neck either... It's actually the biggest of the 3. 223 is .2550 ..... 5.56 is .551....and Wylde is .2568. If you want accuracy, use a modern bullet with a hybrid ogive.. tangent for bearing surface, secant for BC. I can shoot .2-.3 groups in a 5.56 chamber with a 77gr lapua scenar-l over H4064
Great job on your research ✊️
Thank You!
I don’t get why people bother with 5.56 now if they have .223 wylde barrel. 5.56 costs more, has usually higher SD, and puts more wear on the chambering
I have a 556 and 223 Wylde both 18 in. They both shoot about .5 moa when I'm on my game with match ammo. I don't see any significant difference between the two.
223 wylde is a 5.56 chamber duh
@@absolutegunrights3079 exactly. hence my comment. all else equal... .223 can achieve same, as you said... for less cost.
The cost is only pennies in difference per round right now, but the 5.56 round is more effective at distance, especially with shorter barrels than the 20 inch that the bullets were designed to fragment at for maximum effectiveness against a meat target at distances of say 250-300+ yards, but yeah, just plinking it does not matter really, But SHTF 5.56 is the better choice in general for effectiveness, not that a .223 won't work, just not as effective overall, unless say using a 24 inch barrel..
If you look at the velocity ratings of .223 they are usually using 24in bolt action barrels and the 5.56 usual velocity rating is using a 20in barrel and if you look at the comparison between the 2 the 5.56 is still faster though rated with a 4 inch shorter barrel, So the velocity ratings on .223 is misleading though for those that do not know that they rate the velocity of .223 out of a 24in. barrel vs. the 5.56 with a 20in.. @@alecubudulecu
You are not passing correct information it's not the Diameter it's the through length where did you find the literature on the pressure of the two as I would love to read it
@jamesabreu613 you should be able to find the details on how SAMI pressure test compared to NATO. One drills a hole in the middle of the case while the other drills the hole in the back of the case. I don't remember which does which, but it's not a secret. The different methods result in different pressure readings
Where did you find the information
The development and goals of the 223 Wylde chambering is documented.
The accuracy I talked about in the video is from my own testing.
Subsequent to the video I did get a .5 moa with match ammo in 223 Wylde barrel. I also have gotten .5 moa from a 556 Barrel.
Using match ammunition with velocity variances of less then 30 ft/s matters more than whose name is on the barrel.
Ammo and optics make a big difference! 3 moa with open sights is good.
Thank you. That's about the best I could get with iron sights.
A shooter who has developed picture memory, using a 6 o’clock hold can get sub MOA at 100 yards as easily from irons as from an optic. US Service Rifle Competitors have proven this thousands of times. I have occasionally shot 20 round for record strings where 85% of my rounds have been inside the 3/4 inch X-Ring of the MR-31 Target.
Noob to ARs here. I was kinda buying into the 223 wylde hype for my 1st. Think I'll just stick with 5.56.
I just wonder, if most are not going to be shooting out to 1000yds, why are most barrels in 1/7 if it was mainly made to stabilize heavy long range pills & tracers?
I think the twist rate is a bit overhyped. I was shooting 45 grains out of 1/7 and 1/8 in a recent video that I did.
I also have concluded that the 223 Wylde there's a bit over hyped. I have done a lot more shooting since I made this video and the difference is not noticeable. The ammunition and personal shooting consistency is going to make more of a difference.
Would have been nice to see results from shooting .223 ammo from a wylde barrel vs. a 5.56 barrel. Makes sense that 5.56 would be a little more accurate when shot from a 5.56 chambered barrel.
Both shoot .5 moa with good ammunition regardless if it is 556 or 223..
I tend to get the better groups with the 556 Ruger MPR more frequently. Does not matter if the ammunition is stamped 223 or 556.
@@absolutegunrights3079 5/17/24 - Good to know. Thanks. I have a Ruger MPR and like it a bunch. A couple of days ago I received a Radical Firearms 18" .223 Wylde 1:8 S.S. Rifle-Length Barreled Upper - 15" M-LOK RPFU18-223W-SS-15RPR-BMD-18R Gen3 Rail and BMD Brake that I ordered from Primary Arms currently priced at 199.99. (search the PA website for "FU18-223W-SS-15RPR-BMD-18"). BCG & CH. is not included. I haven't fooled with it yet. It will be interesting to see how the Radical upper performs next to the Ruger MPR upper.
My experience as a CMP-USAMU Military Rifle Instructor is Mk262, a 77 grain 5.56 match long range round, can be shot by a trained shooter to 600 meters from prone sling supported position using a rack grade M4 to get sub 2 MOA groupings. That’s extraordinary but Mk 262 is indeed a very accurate round. As I understand it that ammunition can hold to .64 MOA at 300 meters when shot from a match conditioned rifle.
Its not the chambering as much as it is the quality of the barrel from start to finish….. I run Lothar barrels in a few of mine and they all are very accurate! One ragged hole @ 100 and I have one 5.56 chambered that can do half inch easily…… its a 24” Stag bull barrel….. again its QUALITY because a shitty 223 wylde can shoot terrible.
I did manage to get a half inch Group at 100 yards on different days. I think I just pulled my shots a little bit when I did these tests.
A longer 24 Barrel will definitely do better. I've noticed I consistently shoot better with the 18-in barrels over the 16-in barrels.
@@absolutegunrights3079 ohhhh yes! I love my Stag 15 barrel….. over a inch at barrel nut and tapers to .936 at gas block down…… I load my own ammo so I have some killer loads for it with blistering velocity that makes it like a laser beam….. Ive had it out to 736 yards before making great hits with a Sierra TMK in the right at 2900 fps plus fps category!
There is about a 4kPSI difference between .556 and .223. Higher rating for .556. Just saying
When they test the pressure on 223 they drill a hole in the middle of the cartridge. When they test on the 556 they drill near the neck where the pressure is greater.
If they drill a hole in the same place for each cartridge it will pressure the same all other things being equal like gunpowder, bullet weight, bullet seating, primer.