Why You Shouldn’t Always Roll Easy With New BJJ Students (They're Unaware)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- If you have a brand new White Belt in your gym, should smash them or let them work a bit? What if the new person got up after you were done rolling and began to brag about beating you or your inability to beat them? This is the question from one of our friends who ran into this situation recently with his BJJ training at his gym.
He says that a new White Belt came into his gym and during his roll he took it easy on the guy. Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is a tough sport and so he wanted to help the guy out. Well after the roll the new White Belt gets up and sort of brags about him not being able to beat him.
Frustrated, our friend is wondering. . . do you just smash every single new person that comes into do Brazilian Jiujitsu or do you do something else?
In this video I explain what myself and some of my coaches refer to the "Rich-Rule" and how it's effective for curtailing that kind of negative behavior on the mat. I also discuss how I was very similar to the beginner who bragged. Well I would have never bragged about it. But I would have definitely thought I was better than I really was. Because I didn't understand the reality of training till my coaches showed me that they could submit me every second, but could also take it easy on me and play.
Hopefully the video is useful to you. Thanks for watching.
-Chewy
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I agree completely. As an athletic guy who came to jiu jitsu I needed a humbling experience to understand the power of jiu jitsu. If I walked in and won my first time I wouldn’t have come back probably
My first roll was against a blue belt he got me in an arm bar but I grabbed my pants so I survived the round lol had a good amount of weight on him tho lol
The "power of jujitsu"...???
My goodness. Idolatry run amok.
@@smashleyscott8272 he's not saying it's a superpower. He's saying there's a lot of useful techniques you can learn by doing jiu jitsu
What's so hard about that?
@@smashleyscott8272 I don’t want to sound rude, but that comment makes you sound like a complete buffoon. How about you get on the mat with a black belt sometime and keep talking about idolatry? I think it would be a very nice and humbling experience for you :). And I truly mean that sincerely!
any of this could easily be avoided by having a conversation before you roll on what you will focus on...if you are going 100% etc etc...I do this every time I spar with someone.
Sometimes people don't even know what they don't know... That's a part of being the "new guy".
BJiuJitsuTV huge fan of your channel
@@Pric3less1 thanks for the love
Me..
Dunning Kruger effect
good ol unknown unknowns
I rolled with an older dude yesterday who literally did nothing but defend. Didn't really work for position, wasn't aggressive about fighting grips, etc. ALL he did was defend, but he did it so well that I really had nothing. It was awesome, a real display of control. He showed me a whole new dimension to the game. A year ago I would have thought he sucked, now I'm inspired.
I honestly really appreciated getting smashed by everyone when I first came to my gym. I grappled on and off with friends for fun and would usually win. It’s an amazing ego check, to have EVERYONE at the gym able to kill me in the matter of seconds lol. I felt knowing how helpless I was helped motivate me to keep coming back and get better. That and the fact that the bjj community as a whole is amazing. Only 6 months in but trying my best to consistently train 5+ times a week! Thanks for the vids, you helped me out a lot early on.
Kris Sauvageot totally agree, and welcome to the brotherhood!
Kris Sauvageot awesome man, I’m starting next week, can’t wait
Keep it up!
The same happened to me man, I have rolled all my life with friends and my brothers and i thought I was pretty good because I did well even though I've always been the smallest when it comes to weight. My first time actually doing jujitsu I thought I know how to do my submissions, but didn't really think about how hard it would be to get one locked in. These guys smashed me because they knew the superior positions and at the end of the day I was humbled and sweaty.
not everyone is like you. at all.
I appreciate this one massively. I recently did some takedown rounds at the head instructors place, and I'm a judo black belt, so I went pretty easy on most the guys because although some of them had some good takedowns, they don't have the depth of knowledge that I do in that area. After going in what felt like a pretty easy round for me, the guy told me that I had no answer for his underhooks and then proceeded to tell one of the other guys to just underhook me because I can't throw from that position. It annoyed the hell out of me and after that when rolling for real, the guy felt what an uchi-mata with an overhook feels like.
Robin Denton Hehehehe git him
Mix it up. Simple.
Side note, if you can’t tell when someone is going easy on you you’re not so bright.
I remember when I used to do BJJ before I went fulltime wrestling and I dont think I ever thought this. I obviously thought I was alot better than I was, but I knew who could get me and who couldn't and who was 50/50.
But I realized just how good the colored belt were when one of my coaches picked me up with his feet and twirled me around like some shit out of a cartoon. It was insane.
Tap them twice in 30 seconds so they know what story is, then let them work
Best way to do it honestly
I always forget to do this and play too nice
As a white belt, I am so appreciative of higher belts that take the time to let me work and teach me. I am also appreciative of the times teach by smashing me, it's good to know what the reality is too.
One of my best friends is my training partner and we tell each other about certain “victories,” but no one else. We tell each other in confidence because we celebrate each other’s success. I think it’s ok to speak truthfully and celebrate “small” victories, but in private.
I was so appreciative of my coaches and the guys training that didn't smash me. I probably would have never signed up if they all destroyed me. And because of that, I try my best to make new people have a good rolling experience. Once they get a few months in, I'll turn it up here and there just to let them know where they stand. I appreciate the same from the higher belts. I need a good humbling from time to time.
The TH-cam Critic we all do :)
I think both are important. I went in and did pretty well against a few guys who were probably taking it easy on me, but then I came up against my coach and he just absolutely destroyed me. Looking back getting beat like that was a big part of why I came back and wanted to learn exactly what he was doing. I don’t know though for me getting smashed is important from time to time and helps me figure out the problems and deficiencies in my game. I don’t really take it too easy on new guys, but I take off a lot of the pressure so they can work on their movements, but if they leave an arm out I’m taking the arm bar. That’s how you learn to keep your arms in. Then I usually tell them “keep coming, you won’t feel like you’re getting much better, but focus on your defense and work on developing that your first six months, keep drilling submissions you’ll catch em now and then. Then when new guys come in you’ll see just how much better you’ve gotten.
Ahh yes there’s a difference from being humble and then feeling worthless
I have my first BJJ class today! love the perspective!! cant wait to learn!!
Will Apitz have fun. Don’t be afraid to tap early and often if you roll.
Have fun
Will Apitz good luck, have fun!
Nice buddy good luck. Have fun.
Have fun bro!
Great content as always, Chewy! Love love love!
Great insight! beautiful answer, never even thought about that perspective.
Thank you!! You answered the question that I was that I was looking for. Love the videos mate👍
I love these videos, thank you for continuing to make them!
Ian Carey thanks for watching them!
Awesome as always!
Way to line up ending on the beat to your jam at the end. 👍
Thanks for such an amazing video. I started my bjj journey a few months ago. I've always been pretty physical and strong. I feel blessed with some of my coaches and teammates. They teach me the proper ways to handle myself and we seem to all get along. It's all about how the new guy handles himself. Gratitude gratitude gratitude
I have a few purple belts who I feel I should pay. They have taken me under there wing and I feel I owe them somehow.
After watching videos like this, I remember after my first few rolls I always thanked the higher belts for letting me work because it was all too obvious what was going on. I held no illusions as to my prodigious grappling skill when I was mounting a Blue/Purple Belt lmao
Man I'm glad (little anxious) this popped up on my recommend. I never comment on yt. I just did my orientation at my local gym and signed up right away. Here's the thing. I have major clinical anxiety and a severe learning disability. Just meeting a new person can be overwhelming (fears of being misunderstood), joining a jujitsu gym was hell and no fault of the gym or anybody in it (just getting through the door and staying in the room!).
Here's the thing, want to instantly get past all that anxiety and hence ego, which always pops up when you think you need to defend yourself. How about "hey man, your the new guy? Want to get a roll in? I'll show you the ropes... we can start slow or go hard if you want to. We can start in the middle and work it out as we go. You want to ease up or get a little more intense, let me know...."
You see what he did for me? He gave me a grip, some context in a strange environment. He gave me a little control back and bam that's how you remove my anxiety. He didn't just ask me to roll without first managing my expectations. If it was just "hey let's roll" and then we go, I have no idea who this guy is. Is he going to try and crush me because I'm new (subconscious potential threat/enemy), or work with me off the bat (potential ally/training-partner). The point is he managed my expectations. If new white belts are not understanding they are being "allowed to live" and are bragging about it. I believe it's because no one managed their expectations at all. I can almost guarantee they wanted to be crushed and feel the power of jujitsu and a high belt so they know what they can aim for (again expectations). I believe this because my partners are all going light on me, and now I think I know why! Thank you.
I'm going to let them know it's okay to crush me just because I am new and have anxiety. I want to get crushed at first for the reasons I mentioned. My anxiety isn't physical it's social, and they don't understand that, so I will help them. In striking I always went too light in sparring until you landed a "nice one". Then my head got in (out of?) the game and I could flow.
I guess my final point is, and if you have read all this thank you because it's not easy for me to write at all, I know myself better than you, I know how to manage myself better than you. If you need to push my comfort zone as a coach you better first learn where I can bend and where I will break. And if all that sounds defensive it is... and it all goes away just by asking me what my expectations are and letting me know how they match up with what's about to happen. Might sound complicated but in practice it's super simple. Don't know how to approach me or where I'm at? Just ask me and then listen. You'll get to talk again soon because I'm not paying you for nothing :P.
Oss! (I think!)
p.s ty for coming to my ted talk, books for sale in the back of course :)
Great one brother. I totally agree on what you say. I had common sense and watched your video’s before starting bjj so i knew what i could expect and left my ego and Muay Thai experience outside
This 3 subs then play thing sounds great 👍 I’ve struggled with mindset in my first year not knowing how to approach rolling ( mentally) so thanks Chewy .
Great post Chewy!! Seen a few people like that at my dojo, but most are there during a trial week and don’t always return! Great concept though! OSS!
My first day i was smashed by a guy who got his blue belt by the end of class. It put my ego in check, showed me I had a lot to learn, and showed me how powerful BJJ really is.
I'm slowly realizing that people have been playing with me.
Now with newer people I give them a little pressure but let them work. I dont care if they feel like they beat as long as they keep coming back that's all that matters. Later on we will roll harder and they will learn what I am learning now.
Great story! I'm just an armchair athlete these days, but I feel like being humbled the day you walk in is the most valuable lesson a gym/ring/practice field/cage can teach you.
Learn your place. Learn to improve.
Good channel! That's why I subscribed. I'm 3 weeks in and thank God I didn't do any newbie mistakes. Yet 😊 thanks
Chew! I'm not sure how I ended up first watching one of your videos but, man, I'm totally glad I did! I'm 49, zero grappling/martial arts experience. The idea that I would EVER take part in something like Jiu Jitsu seemed almost impossibly unlikely. And yet, I just finished my first class last night. Oh yeah, I'm signing up. It was great. I actually paid for my first month a few days before T'hanksgiving, but was only able to start yesterday. And like most other people, I was pretty freaked out at the idea. I had all the nerves, the self doubt, the "Please-God-don't-let-me-be-the-idiot-in-the-gym" thing. So what did I do? I watched one of your videos about the first day of training. You told a story about Salsa dancing, I think. I cracked up. I mean, here you are, a grown adult male who can literally kill a person with your bare hands, and yet, your first day of dance lessons had your head spun out. Seeing that got me out the door!
Everyone at the gym was very cool and friendly. The owner (Clark Gracie) introduced himself, the other students, teachers, etc. I felt welcomed. Not the least bit the "outsider." I thought maybe the first day of "Fundamentals" would be along the lines of, "Hi everyone. Welcome. Let's all sit around the camp fire and sing songs before we get to work" kind of thing. Haha! Nope, we got in a line, took a moment to address the teacher and got to warming up. Running, rolling, stretching, squirming, etc. You get the idea. A bit of grip fighting, a few "basic" moves (which, of course, I will have to practice 1000 times before I have any chance of remembering them!), changing partners, getting a bit of direct instruction from the teacher and so forth.
Your videos had a big part in getting me started. Something I really like how you speak of having respect and humility. How not every gym session is about crushing your partner. Power and strength have their place, for sure, but it's not just that. I made it a point to not forget those words. I practiced a few take downs with both men and women. Learned much from both. And on those occasions when the teacher would come over to demonstrate something or help me with a particular movement, I was able to experience the full, "holy shit, so-that's-what-it's-like-to-be-on-the-receiving-end-of-18 years-of-training" moment. :)
Happy Training
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Still training?
Thanks Chewy this helps me to understand alot as a new guy. And I have also learned to be humble and nice to those I can submit easy
Hey Chewie am pretty new to BJJ but found all your videos very useful. Thanks brother
Good video, as always!
We had the exact same rule back in my old dojo. Smash to 3 times in a row, then hold back and help them.
Trying to start an sparring club on my college campus. All this stuff is actually really helpful insight for striking too! 🙏
Great advice!
being smashed helped me get rid of a mental block. I realized how much stronger I am. How long I can surive. That I am not good but that I am on the way to become better at jiu jutsu. It is a sad realization that lifts you. After that rolled more confidently. I had to tap as my arms got weak and I couldnt hold him. But he was so he said in panic how confident I was. I improved my ground game, nearly locked a guy with kimura. He locked me aswell with a clear kimura. But he also told me that this time was a lot of harder to get me. I rolled out of set up for a armbar. Jiu Jutsu is awesome.
Smash so they know where they really stand then light
I made this comment before watching video not parroting what he says
KnaxelBaby lol 😂
@@KnaxelBaby i disagree makes them see how affective it is I'm a smaller guy but pretty good so i can smash big guys that haven't trained shows them jiujitsu really does work
Smash all it’s good for you , earn your right to smash others , as a coach though I definitely respect this mindset. Awesome stuff brother respect !
Always good advice, professor! I usually go light but practice a technique I’m trying to get good at. After I hold a position for a while or tap them twice I let them work. I’m only a 1 year white belt so I suck but also don’t mind letting someone tap me out. It happens all the time anyway lol.
I love your approach. We usually submit new students 1 time then help them roll but I am going to start using the Rich Rule and I am going to call it that too lol. Great video.
I really enjoyed your talk Mr Chewy the guys at my gym beat the crap out of me for the first year I respect them look up to them and it made me tough
I don't like people holding back. Some people have a chill style though, so they're still giving you their true dangerous look.
My style is more defensive by nature
As a new guy in BJJ I have nothing but gratitude for the great instructor and other students I practice with. Several times I was owned but also was shown the openings and I went for them. This is exactly what you spoke on the video. Love doing the Americana from side control but most of the time I just try to hang on as much as possible (or should I say for dear life, lol) for as long as possible especially when going against the higher belts. But even though I come out like I've been chewed, spat out, steam rolled (literally), sliced, diced and turned into mince meat (in a good way), I also feel a calmness, respect and gratitude especially mentally after every training session.
Just wanted to share my take on this.
Awesome video! When will we hear who won the journal giveaway?
Thanks for posting
Only a few months in to my BJJ journey but speaking as white belt that gets submitted by the coach and higher belts regularly it’s humbling and also awe inspiring because through getting submitted we are learning. We are picking up new ideas and techniques that we did not know. Things we didn’t know was possible all the while inspiring us to train hard and to learn. So that one day we can be the people that continues the process of inspiring the next group of guys coming in. I think it’s an important part of the learning process that makes us put the egos in check.
So true...leave ego out of JiuJitsu. I had a brown belt let me win...but I knew he was just building my confidence! I've been smashed and got hurt by higher belt levels! Its no fun! I'm there to learn it ain't war its training to improve and wish some would understand its a team effort but the ego creeps in! Glad you teach your JiuJitsu classmates this knowledge! I travel all over I will drop in your channel rocks!
There’s a guy at my gym that’s been training for 2 years and still goes 100% all the time no matter what. Spaz
Hopefully its 100% towards progress and technique
JOMFSE it’s at least 85% ego
@Ajax Aidy i practice martial arts to able to protect myself and family. Is that ego? Its fun exercise, so we can be healthier and more useful to everyone in our old age. Is that ego?
And theres competition for resources and mating. Only in the most priviledged societies would competition be for ego.
Dont be so hardheaded n pessimistic
Ajax Aidy S O Y B O Y
@Ajax Aidy have you heard of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Safety and security is what people need before they can start worrying about their self esteem.
i know you dont even believe what youre saying at this point. Just trying to put people down in youtube comments. Grow up and get a life. If you want to make ppl feel bad for playing a sport atleast offer an alternative that you approve of lol
The gym I attend is fantastic for their white belts. Generally a safer roll option is found and someone does as you say, some demonstration then teachable moments galore!!
I’m new to BJJ and know my place. Often when I’m rolling with someone who is more experienced, they’ll actually talk me through techniques. Or say something like “keep working the position.” They let me get so far and they’re work really begins in escaping a position of danger to a control position. Super helpful for me. I do t get smashed, but get to feel what experience feels like. Winning or learning.
I think we just need to define 'rolling' better. I think it was eddie bravo that said some people think every night is abu dabi night lol.
Chewy!!! I’m a 6’6 220 pound guy who regularly lifts weights and has a striking background, I went into my first week of BJJ last week, and I have not tapped a single person!!! Very humbling!!!!
What are you suppose to do when you are the new guy and they tell you to spar with a blue belt? I was just trying to not get choked out but I think it got a little out of control because it lasted 10 min.. then every class after that the instructor would say “ don’t use your EGO, use skill” and look at me. I know one guard pass wtf am I suppose to do?!?! A little information first would be nice.
Great advice. On another note, I had a dream/nightmare we were hanging out and you shaved off one of my eye brows😂. Very wierd. Thanks for all the help✌
Did he take down the blog or at least re write his opinion on the blog??? Hope so!
Getting smashed quickly shows you what you're getting into and for you to decide whether you can handle it on a consistent basis until your skill improves.
Some schools treat a new student like breaking a horse, and if the horse comes back then you might have something.
yep, some ppl are motivated by that whereas it would turn others off. just depends on the type of school you are
Our gym does nor allow subs on new guys until after 10 hrs of training. It places the focus on control and positioning, while letting them gather a few defensive skills before being pounced. I think this method helps with retention.
Excellent vid. You don't make a brand new guy any better by smashing them all the time. There are ways to take it easy on them but still also challenge them so they get the muscle memory down and solid reps and they retain the technique better and progress to become solid higher ranked folks later. That Rich rule is awesome, I think most places that are solid have a similar approach to that. When I joined BJJ the owner/professor, who is a 3X BJJ champ from Brazil I was curious why he was rolling with striped white belts and thought that was kind of scary. But as I watched him and other of his higher ranked I realized that it was very controlled and he was working more to develop the white belts strength, conditioning getting them used to basic positions and if they caught on he'd turn it up a little, but by no means smashed them. It was quite impressive and encouraged me to join
Someone in my gym mentioned "chewbacca said XYZ about this" (I don't remember what he said) and I immediately perked up because he was talking about you and I got that reference! And that's my story for the day.
It’s def a new thing for me to feel the least experienced and dangerous man in the room, is rough to digest but I hope I can get thru it and humble my self as I know I should and want to.
I think it is important to understand humility. I'm always appreciative of when higher belts let me work... But it is so important to understand just how easy it is to get twisted into a pretzel
Wait? WTF??? People actually roll NICELY with the new guy? I have to have a discussion with those purple belts tonight! LOL. Seriously, guys at my gym are awesome. I can't think of any of the upper belts that don't deal out 'Ok, go ahead and try that thing you learned tonight you cute little white belt' with equal amounts of 'this is what getting your ass kicked looks like, let me show you again'.
Recently I told a partner, "Dude! I actually pulled off that giggler sweep for the first time last night!" and almost felt immediately bad - no names, and no disparaging my partner, just amazement in my own accomplishment. But I am very conscious that I never want to be 'the guy that talks about it'. Some of the best advice I have gotten from this channel.
This is my third day in BJJ and I already feel like I’ve gotten better. First day, my athleticism helped me survive, for a little while anyways. The other guys showed me there are levels. So humbling, so fun. Excited to learn. I say smash the newbies so we learn to lose early.
i got roughed up real well on my first BJJ trainings and im grateful for it. No injuries, but hard work done.
I have found that the Rich rule is perfect. I hadn’t heard of it before this video but I had created a version of it for myself and it has done wonders because of my experience with this
I just had my first class today and I got a really good mixture. Not a big guy, and I don't think I came in with anything close to thinking I would win. Rolled with a Blue belt in a 5 minute and he was being playful and got a submission on me, was super fun. Then I rolled with the blackbelt leading it and he showed me the other side and submitted me about 6 times in 5 minutes, not aggressively, but just showing me the level to reach for. Definitely recommend having both as it was awesome to view how daytoday training could be and also see how far there is to go. 100% going again!
I knew from the start that my now training team was being very nice to me. After my first rolls I made it very clear on no uncertain terms that I understood and appreciated them meeting me where I am and allowing me to try stuff out. I’m 6’3”, 250lbs and easily the biggest, strongest guy there. By the time I was permitted to roll it was clear to everyone there that I didn’t need a humbling and understood exactly where I fit in the food chain. I didn’t bring ego into it then and still dont
Just started training Bjj myself. I had some martial arts training years ago and when i trained with lower belts, i would start at their effort level and make sure they are learning. But then i increase my effort just enough to "win/dominate" at the end of the drill or round. Once they have a little more experience then you can dial up the intensity. Smash them on occasion to keep them in check.
I totally agree. We have a judo practitioner who just joined. I rolled with him and he kept trying to choke me in my closed guard. Arm bar, restart and omoplata, and restart triangle. After the roll I explained what he was doing wrong and we drilled. He was excited to understand how powerful bjj was and grateful for the submissions and subsequent coaching. Again I agree it's good to show the young aggressive new students how powerful bjj is without hurting them. They get excited and keep coming to class! Great video and good advice. Keep training!
My apologies in advance if you are already aware of this, but bear in mind that in this situation, it might not have been a problem with the guy's attitude as much as it's just the way judoka are trained to do ne waza. I'm not training now, but I was training at both a BJJ/judo gym and a judo-only gym. At the judo-only gym, they didn't really teach a lot of technique on the mat other than how to attack or turn over a turtling opponent. Other than that situation, if you were a kyu rank, you were basically just told to be aggressive and try to make the other guy quit any way you could (within the rules) before you were stood up again. I think this has to do with the ne waza rules that are currently in vogue with the IJF, where you get very little time to work before the ref returns you to neutral if the fight goes to the ground.
@@christopherallan4298 If I implied my teammate's attitude above was in any way negative, I did not mean to. He is a great guy and there was no problem between us or with him training. I only meant to give an example of when submitting/smashing the new guy resulted in a positive experience. As one of upper belts in my gym, I am always trying to strike that balance when rolling with the new white belts of using the smash/submission in a positive way, and not discouraging way, to keep them coming back. BJJ is a tough humbling sport. I am humbled every class. Also, every class I am endeavoring to "pull" my teammates along in my journey, as the brown and black belts "pull" me along. Hopefully you can return to training!
Hey Chewy. I'm a brand new white belt (been training for 3 weeks 3x a week) and I had a question. So in class we were practicing escapes from closed guard (specifically one where you apply hip pressure get up on one knee and turn it into your opponents chest/belly). So I got paired up with this pretty small girl. I'm 91kg 181cm and I have no grappling background (10 years of kickboxing prior to starting bjj). And I really felt uncomfortable doing this drill with this girl because I couldn't gauge how hard I could apply pressure on the hip (without actually hurting her). I asked her multiple times whether she was alright and she told me she was fine. But I honestly have no idea whether I'm doing the escape right. My question is does it become easier over time to gauge how much pressure you can apply to a significantly smaller rolling partner and is it of any use to do drills with them when honestly my technique might be bad but it's overshadowed by the size difference?
Thanks for the videos brother. Oss
Last night my coach and I rolled for the first time. I started off with some friendly trash talking...."I hope you got your tapping shoes on!" The coach in fact, did NOT, have his tapping shoes on. LOL He got me like 6 times in five minutes. Best time of my life getting smashed like that haha I was laughing the whole time just in awe of how hilariously bad I was at stopping him.
White belt here.
Absolutely, even from my perspective now, it is definitely good to get the works at first because it does a number of things. The humbling effect being the elephant in the room lol. But it also gives a good preview of what's to come. In that way the beatings are inspiring because it gives you a feeling of what you'll be able to do as time goes on.
It's easy at first to think of submitting but some good thrashings later you learn it is the furthest thing from what we really need to focus on at this stage; defense, escape, and just survive. It starts us off in a healthy place I think.
I find being smashed by higher belts to be highly inspirational, and I was defo guilty of thinking they were just shit when they didn’t beat me in the beginning, so I think at least the first time you’re rolling with someone, let them feel your full force and then maybe consider doing helping rolls with them once you’ve decided they understand what’s up, and if they have a really good attitude of always wanting to learn and asking you for help etc
Hihi, love your vids, thanks for sharing your experience!
Got a question to you and the community here:
How to approach getting back at bjj after several years off the mats?
In my case, i stopped training for 5 years due to career, family and various commitments. Id like to say that i did not quit in my head, just life made me a busy person and i had hard choices to make.
Now im about to take a subscription to train again regularly, im very conscious that i am far from the level of fitness i had and also ive gotten older! As a blue belt, i used to enjoy playing a young man's game counting on flexibility like inverted guard. Now im 43yo and im very conscious that im 20 lb heavier and likely to be more injury prone.
Could you advise on what approach i should take to have a safe and efficient come back on the mats?
Thanks again :)
Did you get back on the mats? If not, do so. Just be choosey with your training partners. Talk to your coach and let him know your physical status and that you plan on easing back into the game. Focus on the basics again that don't require so much flexibility. With time your fitness and flexibility will improve and you can reincorporate more of your previous game.
i've learned my lesson I used to go easy on the new guys and then they would spaz out and smash me. Now I go hard on them not only to humble them but to help them learn defense. I learned most of my defense not from the coach teaching techniques but from getting smashed enough times to learn how not to
Love it!
I am brand new... and the first night, my partner was pretty easy on me and let me learn some technique. Which was cool and i knew he was going easy. Last night i trained with a brown belt... and he was pretty rough, but im going to say this... it showed me what the sport really is and it was great... so both are fine. As far as rolling, i rolled with a competitor and told him straight up. Do what you do, because i want to know what this is and he put me in an americana, and then showed me how to do it... i love this gym! And from day one, i knew i wasnt shit and wont be shit for a long time... im a 33 year old musician, this is out of my comfort zone. And i LOVE it
Moar stories on people who mistook your playing for not being very good when you could have submitted them! It just hits the spot
OMG….speaking as a martial artist for over 31 years, NEVER EVER BRAG. I’ve been in jiu Jitsu for just over a year now and I always thank the higher ups for taking it easy on me because that’s exactly what’s happening.
I have to take off early from class because I have another class from a different art that I teach and I always make it a point to actively seek out all of my ukes (regardless of rank) and fist bump them as well as the coach/professor just to say thank you. They really seem to like that.
An ounce of humility nets one a ton of success over time.
What's up Chewy 💪💪
My coach said, “you assertively bring them into the world of jiu-jitsu” - good stuff
Let then brag. It will be all the more eye opening when they finally realise.
I've been a blue belt for about a year and a half. I'm about 150 pounds and have never been that athletic growing up I was never good at any sports, I don't lift, and my right leg is weak due to sciatica. My gym regularly gets 200+ pound new guys who are athletic and pretty strong; with me being the smallest guy in the gym I've come to expect these new guys to ask me to roll (happens almost every time). What I've done in the past is roll at about 50% effort. usually nobody taps in a 5 minute round. I usually just play a lazy guard and work on recomposing. However, there have been (quite a few) times where they will get a strong side control and it will take me some time to escape, sometimes ending the round in a bad spot. I've come to the conclusion that I need to really turn it up on these bigger white belts and submit them. I guess you could say it's just my ego wanting to prove to these bigger guys that I can still win, but it's more that I want them to see that a smaller weaker guy can win with good technique, because that's what got me hooked on BJJ. If anything I think it's doing them a disservice by letting them believe I couldn't submit them. Now if the roles were reversed and it was a 200+ pound blue belt vs a 150 white, then I think maybe a more playful approach would be appropriate.
Here's a super random question.... When rolling should makes wear a cup? How often does one take a knee to the sack??
if you can't tell that the higher belts usually treat rolling with white belts the same way an older dog plays with a puppy, you're in for a hell of an awakening when they flip that switch.
I drilled with the assistant coach (blue belt) on my first day and I can tell when he'd suppress the instinct to make me pay for an error, or I was slow to control an appendage. Same thing the two times we've grappled in warm ups. he's been at it 3 years, my gi still has the creases from being in the package. I'm certain nap time could come at any time if he wanted 😂😂
4th week white belt here. I am kind of the opposite. I assume the higher belt is toying with me and I didnt really earn a dominate position. I spoke to a blue belt after taking his back with a body triangle for a few minutes. Was great to hear it was legit and he couldn't just get out. Confidence booster.
Chewy is it somehow possible to buy your solo drill package without a credit card?
I appreciate this as a lower bet too. I know blue / purple belts can submit me, for sure. But I know that I can do well in some situations, not submit them, just maybe get a sweep, or an escape. If they give me 90-100% for the first two submissions, at least I know what's going on, if I get a sweep, it was all me. After that, I know they're letting me work some. I think it's a much healthier situation for everyone.
Thanks brotha
I get tapped out and I most of the time I laugh and shake the hand of my partner... That's it! Bragging is bad for your partner the club and bad for you.
I do the exact damn thing!
I'm brand new to a BJJ academy. 2 classes in. They have done half and half in terms of making things easy/hard. The first few times I do something, they let me get the feeling of how to do something and then they start making me work for it after 2 or 3 times.
Hey guys how much would you estimate bjj classes are per month? Might try it out during the holidays
I've heard of 2 good ideas about teaching. The first idea is that you absolutely dominate whatever you are doing just to show people how good you are, and then go easy from there. The second idea is that you are always slightly better than the person you are training. They fight like a white belt, so you fight like a slightly better white belt. They can run a mile in 12 minutes, so you run a mile in 11 minutes 53 seconds. The idea is that they can beat you if they try just a tiny bit harder, and you might get that last bit of effort.
Totally agree, what happens on the mat stays on the mat.
Hey chewy I have a question, I actually just got back from a practice where (i think) my instructor was being a bit of a bully. I've only been training for a few months and hes somewhere around a purple belt (its a no gi school club) Immediately after the fist bump he started going full blast, not an ounce of flow rolling. Which is cool, I was glad he wasn't going to go easy but after he got past my guard he got this knee on belly, hand behind my neck and just started bouncing his weight into my stomach. Again, hes just going full blast, I was fine. Over the course of the next few rolls however he used the same move each time, not really going for any other submissions. By the last roll he was pulling me into his knee so hard that I cried out a bit and when he didn't stop I had to tap. There wasn't any sense of friendliness. Afterward I was mad because it really felt like he just wanted to throw someone easy around to feel powerful. I calmed down and offered to go again next practice because I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt that there was a good reason. He hugged me, apologized and said I had caught him at a bad time. I want to be understanding, everyone has bad days. I just don't know how to feel about the instructor of the class using me as an outlet for whatever is going on in his life.
Any of your wisdom is appreciated and I apologize for the essay of a story.
Nice of him to apologise eventually but yeah, it's super shitty to use someone as a punching bag for emotional issues, especially if you're in a position of authority over them. I've been smashed plenty of times but if people are going out of their way to intentionally cause me pain, I don't train with them. There was one guy that loved straight ankle locks and this one day he was jerking it on really quickly every time he got a hold of it. What's worse is that he corkscrewed his body over the ankle when it was on, causing way more knee pain than usual. I thought it was an accident the first time but after a couple more times I realised he was in a bad mood and just wanted to tap me over and over as quickly as possible, I guess to prove something to himself. Once I realised that, I just went 100% defensive - wouldn't engage with his seated guard and made things as awkward for him to attack as possible, which seemed to piss him off even more. Haven't rolled with him since.
Wow that’s not okay, especially for an instructor. I’d find a new gym.
@@buttrockprincess I'm kinda not flush with cash and this club is free. Otherwise yea I would probably move.
OmegadeltaZd That’s too bad, but I can totally relate. I stayed at a toxic gym for years because I had a grandfathered rate and couldn’t afford anywhere else. Looking back, I wish I would’ve left sooner..
His self awareness is the only thing that saves it. I think he deserves *one* more chance. We are all human, and I think that the fact he apologized on his own accord is indicative of strength of character. If it happens again though, I'd say gtfo.
Had a new guy in yesterday. His first day. We are in tournament prep mode right now. You could tell he wanted to roll but nobody asked. I walked over snd showed him basic guard, mount, drilled a slice pass to side control, and started with a flow roll to drill some foundations. Whenever he would go Spassy I would just tie him up real quick, release him snd kept the roll going. He understood, and thanked me for not smashing him. I wanted him to have an enjoyable first roll but also understand his lack of knowledge is just a starting point, learn from each roll.
I have a question I can’t beat anyone in my gym and I feel like I’m getting worse I don’t know how to fix it also I’m a three stripe white belt
Want some advice? Stop looking at it as beating someone else or being beaten. Pay more attention and how you're being submitted and ask how they did that and how to defend against it. BJJ is a beautiful sport with the most amazing people you'll run into and almost everyone is willing to help you out. One thing Robert Drysdale taught me was to let people submit you or put you into certain positions over and over and work on defending each student's best submissions. Once you've got your holes covered, you can start looking for more positional advantages and eventually the subs will come.
I love this rule. I'm new to BJJ, but have a history of folkstyle wrestling. I do well vs other whites and some blues (some look grey, idk). I'm not sure if I earned my 50/50 subs or if they were taking it easy on me. I am pretty strong for my size and very competitive. I don't claim to be great or even good. Losing and tapping is great. Keep going, get better. Knowing where I am (subbed 3 times) when rolling and then liter rolls thereafter for improvement would be great with me (hypothetically).
When I was stationed in Hawaii, I got to know the Schofield Barracks, senior Combatives instructor. He told me stories about Rener Gracie coming to help him instruct the class. He stated that Rener would roll with the students and submit the entire class within minutes. Sometimes soldiers need that ego popped. He said that Rener was not really putting it to them either. I like jujitsu, but I know I'm not very good. and I haven't trained in a long time. Maybe in a year or so, I'm still recovering from 16 broken ribs, a broken T1 vertebrae, lacerated liver, a bruised lung, and a ruptured lung. These injuries were not caused by jujitsu, just a stupid accident. I hope if I can get into a gym, that at first they take it easy on me. I don't know how well my body would hold up to a real roll.
Hey man, any update on your health situation?
I always do a bit of both. We do 6 min rounds in our gym for sparring during the week. I’ll go 5:30 technical/light and the last :30 put a bit of pressure maybe complete a full submission to a tap.
Only humble the egotistical ones. If you're brutal to all of the white belts for no reason they'll band together and revolt lol