Besides the Junko Furuta murder, this has got to be the most disturbing case I've heard in a while. Rest In Paradise Tim. You did not deserve that at all. ETA: Add Maria Nemeth's murder to this list. There are some truly SICK people out there.
Yeah I felt sick to my stomach and even cried after hearing the Junko Furuta case. And even though I didn't cry with Tim in this case I do feel so bad for him because he was such a positive and polite person who was about to be a dad. Vince absolutely disgusted and enraged me with his actions. He should've been taken into prison and stayed a lot longer than stupid 7 years....
My son is 18 and was diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 15. He is such an amazing man with a big heart. He is on great medication and he has a lot of support. We will have to make sure that he is taking his meds, but he also knows if he stops taking them, he will end up back in the hospital. He still gets hallucinations and he deals with voices most of the time, they are just quite and he has learned how deal with them also knowing they are not real. I didn’t know much about schizophrenia before this and only knew what people would say, but I have learned so much about. Honestly people with this are more likely to hurt themselves than hurt others if untreated.
@@adeer87 when I told my sister in law his diagnosis (she is a nurse) she made it sound like he was going to attack her kids. We have nothing to do with her after a lot she has told the family. People need to get facts right before spreading lies that effect someone the rest of there life.
As a fellow Canadian, I’m so embarrassed that our Justice system let this psychotic killer free. I don’t give a rats ass that he is mentally ill. He did the crime, so he should to the time. Of a life sentence.
My dad works in law enforcement in Kitchener, Ontario. Some of his buddies were the cops surrounding the bus, who unfortunately committed suicide after the event. So so incredibly haunting
I like the focus on the victim rather than the k*ller. It really pushes how horrible of a crime this was compared to those who only talk about the perpetrator, which I feel really brings sympathy for someone who doesn't deserve it.
it's not about bringing sympathy, it's to avoid black and white situations in my opinion. wether people like it or not, the killers are not monsters, they're human. messed up dangerous humans, but humans non theless. it doesnt take away what the individual person did to another individual person but sometimes the killer isn't even a person but the systems or people who neglected mentally unwell people, or people who clearly needed counseling. (sorry for my messy english)
@@tuxepo017 I totally agree! The actions that the criminals commit are horrific and vile but by painting them as just monsters then you often fail to see all the things that led up to what happened. It's not condoning or lessening the severity of the actions at all, they're still deplorable, but so often are the murderers sick people who've been failed time and time again by society. It's less about giving sympathy to a criminal and more about seeing how avoidable the damage was by having better measures in place before it ever even got to this level.
The trauma those passengers went through in that moment, just to be bought new clothes and sent home on a different bus. I feel for them, the bus ride home must have been the longest, most dreading thing any of them had to go through. One, they might have been terrified that something like this might happen again on their ride home; Two, the fact that they didn't get some sort of help from Greyhound is disgusting to me. Greyhound is a very large, and probably wealthy company they could have paid for the passengers to get some sort of counseling after this situation and they should have put money towards getting Vince put in Jail. I'm of the opinion, "philanthropy is a choice," but in this situation Greyhound should have stepped in and helped these people. Also, I feel for Tim's family, I can't imagine watching the news and being kindhearted enough to send a prayer to the victim only to find out that the victim was your son.
Could not agree more. As someone who lives in Canada and has used grey hound in the past I agree. This is disgusting and they have failed every person on that bus.
At the very least they should have paid for therapy. The only way to help that situation is to get them into treatment and hopefully they don’t develop PTSD and are able to live happy and functional lives. Greyhound did the thing you would do if you *wanted* them all to get PTSD, which is PUT THEM BACK INTO THE EXACT SAME ENVIRONMENT THEY JUST EXPERIENCED TRAUMA IN. Absolutely bonkers. Like, they managed to do the exactly wrong thing when they had a million other options.
There was also a passenger who took their own life in the years after this, another TH-cam channel mentioned this in their account of the story. This is all around tragic. Rest in peace Tim.
Also I just have to point out. I’m no legal expert but the fact he was proven to be diagnosed with Schizophrenia and on his own free will CHOSE not to take the medicine…that alone should give him fault. Because he KNEW of his condition and looked the other way. This is a JOKE. May you RIP Tim…you didn’t deserve this.
I agree!! I know mental illness can lead to people doing things they would not typically do and it does shift some accountability when someone is suffering from a severe mental illness and commit a crime. HOWEVER, I feel if you are diagnosed with a mental illness and CHOSE not to take the medication to help, it is 100% your fault if that mental illness leads to crime.
It can be a lot more complicated than that. People stop taking medications for many reasons, like genuinely not understanding or believing that they need it (especially if they suffer from paranoia) or because the medication made them feel so ill they had to stop. He is responsible for not taking his meds, but we don’t truly know why he stopped. Mental hospitals can be absolute hell, so it’s not like he actually got special treatment.
@PishPOn - I get all that, I do! But there HAS to be some kind of repercussion in place. A step to let these individuals know that if they choose to not take their medication after a legal diagnosis, that there will be consequences if something were to happen like this. I’m sure there will be those who say “well there will always be crimes like this it won’t get every diagnosed individual to take their meds”…my answer to that is even if it kept ONE individual on medication to prevent something like this, then it’s worth it. This case just absolutely blows my mind and I’ve seen it numerous times told from different journalists or creators…there’s no excuse. This man in a sense got behind a wheel knowing the breaks were faulty and never got them fixed. Which hypothetically led him to hit and kill a man. Wouldn’t that be a crime?
@@royroyalu are we gonna arrest people for falling down the stairs and landing in the ICU, taking away another person's desperately needed place who will die bc of not getting the care they need? i mean, they should have a reprocussion for not being careful enough, right? I understand where you're coming from, but if we start there, where will it end? Of course it appears to be a 'selfish' reasoning to not take medication, but it is not. Stop blaming the person before they committed the crime. You won't blame the fish who came out of the water all those billions of years ago for creating the worst species (us) either.
The real horror here is what Tim's family has had to go through bc of all this including his son who'll never know his father. Also the trauma the passengers had to go through and never received any therapy. How could they have not at least been offered therapy? That's horrible. Then to just let this horrific murderer back on the streets only 7 yrs later...WTH?? Imagine what it would do to one of the passengers if they saw him out and about or at work? That would definitely be re-traumatizing for them. RIP TIM
@@NOBODY-fz3im I totally agree. It really sickens me that a man can lose his life so horrifically and in front of so many people who had no where to go and the murderer gets 7 yrs of therapy, then gets to live the rest of his life out in society. It's disgusting and shows how messed up the justice system is. That young man will never get to live his life again or see his child grow up. The passengers certainly haven't been able to live their lives free of the trauma caused by that monster. But they give him 7 yrs of therapy and somehow deem him safe to re-enter society...how is that right at all? No justice whatsoever for Tim, his family, or the passengers. It's so tragic.
Also I just wanted to mention how heroic Chris the bus driver was, before jumping off of the bus he hit a button that automatically locks and shuts the bus down so that nobody can takeoff with it which was a brilliant move on his part….. because I am pretty sure that Vincent did try to takeoff with the bus but he wasn’t able to thanks to the bus driver!
@@f4iryprnc3s I totally agree. That hug would also have had me thinking" this may not be a good idea". I really hate the Grayhound bus. It seems like it is a magnet for the worse people.
@@momsdiva71 hey tera, I’m not a parent, but as a human... I couldn’t imagine letting anyone I cared about let alone my child go on a bus after this story. So this comment broke my heart. I’ve been on public buses a few times as a child with my parents. I will never forget the first time I was on one with my mom at 4, there was a man in the back that looked like he could hardly stand... and his clothes looked like they had mold all over them. He smelled like strong urine. And my mom told me when we got off that he pissed himself multiple times in those clothes he was wearing. He was talking to himself and saying odd things out loud, at the time I thought he was just weird but now clearly I realize he was most likely either mentally ill or on drugs or both. That never sat right with me to this day. Now that I’m and adult and my parents no longer can control what I do, I never have taken a single bus since. Weird though because I did bus trip sales as a living recently for a brief period but that was for more of weddings and events not so much public transportation. Still thought, don’t like the thought of buses for whatver reason. And especially not after this story.
I fully agree. I was a bit baffled when she made that statement. Especially when it was the bus drivers risking themselves to try to help Tim and to stop it
I agree. It wasn’t greyhound’s fault for what happened. He decided himself to stop medications. Which I get. Taking medication on a daily basis gets annoying and repetitive. I’ve had thoughts of stopping my medication cause I hate it. Especially if you take over 10 pills. And if anything greyhound may have not had the funds to do that as well. I can see them doing it for the driver but not all the passengers. Plus maybe some of the passengers didn’t want help after. Maybe they wanted to move on and never speak of that tragic day.
Interestingly enough, there was no security on greyhound buses in Canada before this happened. So this person was easily able to bring a weapon on the bus and use it. It was only after this incident did they have anyone checking bags and people who went on the bus. So in a way, greyhound held the majority of the responsibility for this incident as they failed to have any safety measures.
@@Megzy7 Then the majority of public transportation (buses, metros) around the world are being majorly irresponsible for not checking people's belongings. I understand what you mean, but this could have happened anywhere. If someone stabs someone at a restaurant, is the restaurant responsible? (The restaurant itself could even have "provided" the knife to the aggressor)
Yeah right, as if the same government who set this man free would use their funds to help people!? They did however pay for the looney guy's therapy sessions and released him
Welcome to Canada where feelings matter more than facts in the Justice system. Hell, last year Toronto Police announced a cis masculine male pedophile as a “woman”.
Agreed and people thrown under the jail cell for marijuana charges. Vince deserved the death sentence or life in prison without the possibility of parole. He forfeited his right to be among society.
it’s insane how you could think it’s a normal day, and then you can be on the train with a killer…reminds me of how we shouldn’t take life for granted, rest in peace tim
YES! This one and the one where the boyfriend ripped his girlfriends guts out thru her vagina because he "thought" she wanted him too! Can you fuking imagine!?🤢🤮🥶
It’s sad the victims in this case…the witnesses, aren’t given ANY help. No payments, no medical care…no therapy. Nothing. Yet we have this psycho walking around freely right now.
I hate him so much. He’s the reason why my anxiety won’t let be around skitzos. He has given them all a bad name and it’s sad because I’m sure a lot of them are safe to be around. I just will not take my chances.
I don't understand why the witnesses were given any help at all. This was an unspeakable, horrible and tragic murder. They actually witnessed Tim being executed. Who could forget those images?.
@@Lola_Nico its a lot less about the mental illness ans more about the person man. HE'S the horrible person, his mental illness hardly contributed to that i imagine. It doesnt just turn u into a bad person
@@F66x idk where you got that statistic or not but it doesn’t make me feel any safer. I look out for myself and my safety. I’ve given people chances and regret it almost every time. So no thanks, don’t wanna be around someone with that diagnosis.
Heard this case on Mr Ballen's channel but he didn't go into a whole lot of detail because of him putting three stories into that video. So glad you uploaded this! You're one of my favorite youtubers.
I think she gets a lot of the stories from that channel I hear a few other he talks about but then again she doesn’t really talk about things that ppl haven’t heard about she talk about known cases
as a Canadian, this story has been trapped in my mind since I was a kid. I am very glad you talked about it since you always make sure it’s in a respectful manner. Tim did not deserve the awful situation he ended up in and neither did the rest of the people on the bus. I hope all those passengers have been able to find peace.
The man chose NOT to take medication for the sake of his own health and sanity, and also chose NOT allow his wife to help him…and then the government really let him go without any consequences??? Everyone around him have to suffer HIS consequences and the horror of what he did to Tim, while this man did not even step into prison for his own disgusting actions. I hope all the witnesses got the help they need to this day, because being quarantined during the pandemic can make one’s mental health worse. I experienced this with my depression, so I can’t imagine how much worse they felt during quarantine.
@@zeeyanda5850 when it comes to mental health and a disease it’s hard to prosecute someone who is sick and not in there right mind. If anything he should have been put into a institute for life being monitored and making sure he take his medication cause of the risk that could happen if he were to stop. I do wonder what the deal was to where he is walking free. Does he have to check in with a parole officer? A medical clinic ?
@@gertskook you right, they should lock him up. Make sure he takes his meds and gets the help he needs. Not allowed to live amongst other people, put them in risk .
@@gertskook they might have him doing monthly court ordered injections where they administer his medication via needle to make sure he’s actually taking it. I know that’s been done before for non-offenders who are non compliant with their medication so they might be doing the same thing here.
I really appreciate that you took the time to clarify that people with schizophrenia aren't dangerous! These kinds of events are horrific, but very rare. More often, people with mental illness are the ones who are hurt, not vice versa. That being said, I hope Tim's family and the witnesses of this are all healing and doing okay💕
i listened abt this case on your podcast yesterday as soon as it got out and im still in complete shock by it, the amount of cruelty tim had to go through genuinely made me sick to my stomach in a way i don't think any other case ever did i still can't wrap my head around the fact that this man just gets to live his life among other ppl even after doing such a horrendous and disgusting crime towards another human being, an innocent man who didnt even know him, how is that not enough to consider this dude a danger to the people around him? its insane when you talked abt the mom that had her child taken away bc she couldn't take care of them due to ptsd i just felt like crying, seriously, i dont even know how to describe the indifference and disrespect shown towards everyone that were there and has to experience such a gruesome and terrifying thing, as well as tim and his family, they failed all of them so fucking much man
I have never felt so physically ill hearing a true crime story. I listen to Hailey's videos all the time, but this one made me sick. Just picturing someone you love dying in this way is so sad and terrifying.
I agree with you, I think that is important for this man to have gotten the psychological help he obviously needed and still needs but I don't think his schizophrenia was a valid excuse for this behavior and he shouldn't have been let out at all. There's a lot of people with schizophrenia and the vast majority of them don't go and commit heinous crimes like this one.
There's an abundance of people who think that a mental illness excuses one's actions, some go as far as saying that the fault lies completely on other people who failed to provide the disturbed with help, but it's important to remember that's not the case. He had schizophrenia but he was absolutely responsible for his actions, you can't force help onto people, they have to want it first. It's a really disturbing case but i'm glad people aren't defending the murderer, at least in the comments. They should've never let him out.
@@fellith4295 sometimes mental illness is an excuse. It's a mental illness. Just like asthma may be your excuse out of PE, you have an illness, it will inhibit you from certain things that's how it works.
@TikTok Show you need to understand that he is mentally ill and cannot be held accountable for his actions because of the nature and severity of his symptoms.
I really love and appreciate how you took time at the end to speak on how not all people with schizophrenia are monsters. my little sister has it and she far from a monster. she gets bullied quite a bit because everyone she's told has had a terrible reaction to it, calling her names and telling her horrible things that aren't true. she now won't tell anyone because she doesn't want to get hurt and it is so disheartening and sad. people with schizophrenia are normal people with regular normal lives. they aren't monsters. thank you hailey for speaking so kindly and raising awareness at the end, it is appreciated so much💗
He's free and out walking around? I am worse than appalled. I have no words. *edit* Yes, I do. He also screwed a bunch of other peoples lives. He owes for that, too. He should be sentenced for the lives of all the survivors.
The purpose of him going to a mental hospital was to get better. If he's free, then they did their job. Revenge does nothing, keeping someone who doesn't need to be there would only make him worse.
He robbed Tim’s child of its father….that alone should’ve kept him locked up. Since he’s a free man, he should pay Tim’s child support. That’s the least I think he could do
@@ronaldcounterman5812 The thing is they aren't too far gone. If they were beyond rehabilitation then they wouldn't have been released in only 7 years. An extremely short time, especially for a murder case such as this one. You are allowed to an opinion, but you're simply incorrect.
Hailey, Im a new subscriber and just wanted to say that I love your focus on the victim and your commentary on mental health at the end of the video. It really shows a compassion and empathy that I just dont see in other true crime youtubers. I really love your videos and how they are like sitting down and talking to a friend about it. You're so real and I appreciate that. TY
Thank you for highlighting the trauma of the witnesses. A lot of the time I don't really hear about what happened to those who might have witnessed the crime or how the family coped with their loss, or how it affected people. Obviously they were traumatized for life, and obviously Tim deserved _nothing_ like this (this is one of the worst cases I've heard of), but I appreciate how respectful you are to everyone involved. ♥
Thank you for mentioning that not everyone with schizophrenia is violent, or a murderer. Both me and one of my best friends were diagnosed with it and we lost friendships and family because of the stigma around it. Cases like these help perpetuate that stigma, and it's extremely heart-warming to see a creator I like being mindful of such things. And rest in peace Tim, thinking about the pain and suffering he went through is heartbreaking.
Very true. When I first became a true crime fan (couple of year ago) , I literally thought people with schizophrenia were dangerous people and it was only months later, when I researched the disorder, I discovered that people with schizophrenia are more likely to be victims of (extreme) violence than being the aggressor of it. And of course that people with mental issues are to be cared about and protected. I think the entire true crime community and media need to be as aware as Hailey not to contribute to the stigmatisation
Thank you so much for titling after the victim and not the perp. I love your evolution as a creator and respect for the victims. Tim seemed like a wonderful person and he never deserved that fate.
this case made me feel physically ill just *hearing* the details, i can't even begin to fathom the trauma those passengers and witnesses have gone and are probably still going through. I truly hope all those affected ended up finding some help and mental peace. Rest in Peace Tim.
this case scares me so bad especially when i’m on the bus. but another note i wanted to add is the weapon was actually a machete apparently which is even scarier
Manitobian here, this case still gets brought up anytime someone mentions taking a bus in my town, but it's a really interesting and tragic case! This has definitely traumatized my province
This is why I got my concealed carry license and carry my gun everywhere- it was the first thing I did after I got out of the army. I’m surprised you didn’t go into more depth about the veteran on the bus! Every situation I go into I’m on High alert bc I just cannot trust people anymore- it’s absolutely mind-boggling the types of people there are in the world🥴
Thank you for the disclaimer about schizophrenia at the end. I don’t have schizophrenia, however I care a lot about mental illness being portrayed correctly, and schizophrenia is often assumed to be synonymous with serial killer. Again, I appreciate it.
Thank you for taking the time to talk about schizophrenia. One of my best friends has the illness and it makes me sad whenever I hear people putting all schizophrenics under the possible murderer category. It of course can get that bad, but it's no different from any other disorder, its just seeing the world differently. The problem occurs when people are demonized and/or stop seeking treatment.
This is, without a doubt, one of the most horrific true crime stories I've ever heard. Calling it a nightmare would be a vast understatement. It's impossible to even comprehend what his friends and family, the police on the scene, or the witnesses were going through (and still are). I can't even imagine living after witnessing something so horrible.
I love the little segment at the end where you speak out against demonizing schizophrenia. One thing you said is SO true and and SO powerful: there are people out there who kill, every day that don’t have schizophrenia.
I wanted to say that i really appreciated what you said about people who are diagnosed schizophrenia. My dad was diagnosed when I was very young and even though he’s no longer around, I am still very bothered by the assumptions that people make about schizophrenics. Also I love your videos and thank you from the content!
Thanks for the great and helpful epilogue on schizophrenia. (I have a Masters in Forensic Psych.) Folks with mental illness like this are much more likely to be a victim. Schizophrenia, like all other DSM diagnoses, can only be diagnosed by a licensed mental health professional who has done the evaluative work with the patient. (I do not have a license; therefore, I do not diagnose.) Also, like all other DSM diagnoses, symptoms of schizophrenia can vary as to type, duration, and intensity. This is why it takes a team - and often a second opinion - to confirm. Med compliance is definitely challenging with this population. It's a very tough diagnosis for the patient and their family. Definitely does not make a murderer. Also note, in the US, (determined by state law,) someone using a not guilty by reason of insanity plea, (or depending on the state, guilty but mentally ill,) is a very rare affirmative defense that is only tried in 5% of cases, and only works out in 1% of them, statistically speaking. Also, in the US, the offender is remanded to a mental health facility (sometimes called a Forensic Psychiatric Hospital) ***for the duration of the same amount of time they would have spent in prison.*** Apparently, Canadian laws are much more lenient, (same in UK & Europe,) as they fully believe these sentences are meant to be rehabilitating. This is also why the US us seen to have more incarcerated persons, because sentences are often much longer. We all have a lot more work to do. Anyway, thanks for letting an old gal ramble. I'm very impressed at your ability compartmentalize your own emotions and reactions to these gruesome stories. We're all out here gagging.
Oh yeah, just let the crazy cannibal be free after only SEVEN YEARS🙃 In my opinion, I feel like he was crazy but not to the extent that he should've gotten away with this due to insanity. I think he knew very well what he was doing. Also it's not fair that the murderer had more help than the actual witnesses/victims, they too were deeply traumatized and needed help dealing with the aftermath of the case...
Oh my god! This case is so horrific. I cant imagine being a passenger on that bus, or being Tim’s family/friend and hearing that he had such a gruesome death. Unbelievable 💔 Rest in peace, Tim.
Thank you so much for the disclaimer about schizophrenia at the end💝 my grandma is schizophrenic and she is so full of love, its honestly so horrible what people twist these types of things into so thank you
I met Kendall and he will always fight for Tim and the law to prevent criminally insane people from getting released . Greyhound didn’t last very long after this incident . Rip tim you will be forever missed 🙏
And he was also sleeping when he was attacked…. Unfortunately It’s kind of hard to fight back when you’re asleep when the assault starts. So horrific 😣
I hugely recommend watching the TV interview of the one passenger who helped, along with the truck driver and the bus driver. His firsthand account is crazy. Especially given that it was a few hours later. You can see he’s still in shock and he has this wild look in his eyes. He served in the army for 5 years and then experiences something unreal like this. His bravery and quick action to alert everyone, as well as helping keep the killer trapped was unreal.
Hey! I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada and this case ROCKED our entire city to the core. Greyhound no longer has a station in Winnipeg because of it. no one wanted to use the bus afterwards. It scared folks, but at the same time there was a lot of discussion around mental health, as well as the criminal justice system’s response towards mental health. I feel there was some positive from that tragedy in that regard. Ps: pronunciations: ee-lie (Elie, Manitoba), Ree-Jie-nah (Regina). :) Loved this video! Thanks so much!!
Winnipeg represent! Also, fun fact, I work for the psychiatrist who treated Vince Lee and testified for him (the information is public knowledge and he's no longer a patient).
Also yeah no, My uncle had Schizophrenia he never wanted to kill anyone, he was really nice and fun. He just had episodes where he would see his grandma at his house. He also had his... problems of the self harming type, it wasn't extreme, but he had to have a really child proof house. But he died in a house fire a few years ago.
Thank you so much for the note at the end about schizophrenia. Stigmas can be so harmful and it's important to have full transparency about the media we consume. I wish more creators would follow in your footsteps.
As a mental health professional, I understand both why the survivors wouldn't want him free & the anxiety of a local community as well as I understand the need for someone who experiences violent psychosis when unmedicated to receive ongoing treatment & rejoin society. There is a reason why even in America, the most punitive country in the Global North, you have Not Guilty for Reason of Insanity. Because what does it mean to "hold somebody accountable" when they have zero autonomy over what is going on? Years spent in a high-intensity institution with treatment & dozens of medical doctors deciding it is in the patient & community's best interest to be released- at least, imo, placed in a halfway house. His "accountability" won't be found locked up in a prison for the rest of his life due to actions he truly had no control over if he was in that deep a psychosis. That's just carceral punishment for brain chemistry. That people feel he deserves being locked up is because of their own personal feelings of revenge & people should not be punished merely for revenge, especially if they were not conscious while the act occurred. He does deserve treatment & he deserves a monitored release after high-observation inpatient treatment.That being said, the survivors needed just as much treatment & aftercare completely compensated for the rest of their lives. But locking someone in as torturous an environment as prison for untreated psychosis when they are in treatment and competent is just something that satisfies our base impulses, not better for society nor for the individual & his family. Tired of the true crime content creator who describe cases harmed by police & prisons then advocate fully for the carceral system :/ (Yes, millions more in prison in North America deserve freedom more)
No, but he should be held accountable for the fact that his actions were caused by the fact that he refused treatment. His own negligence for his mental health is single handedly the reason for this. I don't disagree that he should recieve treatment after the fact, but I also think that it was an easy (literal) get out of jail free card. His actions suggested that he at least knew what he was doing, and its far easier to plead to insanity when you have a previous diagnosis. I also don't think it matters how much treatment he's had though, noone will likely be comfortable or fully trusting of him again. He beheaded a man, cut him up and showed pieces of him to people, supposedly ate parts of his body and we're just going 'oh yeah, 7 years? That's good enough for me'
Thank. You. Nearly everyone in this comment section seems to think that locking people in a cell and neglecting them will somehow help. I have Schizophrenia, and I had become extremely unstable and I was seen as a threat to my and others' safety. I was put in a psychiatric hospital and I stayed there for a month and I was only released once I was deemed fit to return to society. I can't even begin to imagine what would've happened if I was sent to a prison cell when I very clearly needed help. My sympathy for him is limited, but I don't believe that sending him to prison would've helped, if anything it might've worsened his condition. People with little understanding of mental illnesses (especially ones as complex as schizophrenia) saying such harmful things only helps perpetuate the stigma around mental illnesses, so I thank you as a professional for taking the time to inform people.
Hmm Idk I didn’t see it that way like he should be put in prison for what he did even if he wasn’t in his senses and didn’t intend to do it, it was more like he should be put in prison and receiving treatment in there so there is no possibility of this happening again and other innocent people being severely harmed by his actions
@@fmamamaba1460 as they said, a monitored release would suffice. Where they keep an eye on him but he ultimately rejoins society. If anything these cases can maybe assist in the importance of mental health for minorities and immigrants
I remember when this happened, pretty sure he was recently released too, just started the video though so can’t wait to see what you found out in your research 💓
This might be a bit off topic but I’m glad you stopped doing makeup in true crimes videos. I really like your vibe and your content is great but the makeup part always made me uncomfortable when talking about someone’s murder. Overall, I love your vids.
yes!! i saw people speaking about how they miss it (along with the spooky scary skeletons line), but i always felt it was good she started bringing her full attention to the case
I agree! I do like watching her “do something” in her videos sometimes but I think if she did it during her conspiracy theory or other topics that would be fine. I agree that it’s a little off putting when it comes to true crime.
Great coverage Hailey, as always!🥰 This case really rocked us here in Canada and for a long time too. I don’t think there’s anyone who was around then that doesn’t know about the case. Also, we pronounce Regina similar to the body part, like Ragina 😅
Living in MB this case is so prominent in my memory, years after this i remember my dad bringing up how he was supposed to be out and moving into town houses not far from us, regardless if this was a issue of mental health what that man did was horrific and I cant imagine being present and the fear people went through experiencing this.
@Hailey Elizabeth you look so BEAUTIFUL! Thank you for the hard work you put in to every single video! I'm so excited that you are getting closer to 1million subscribers! You definitely deserve it! 🏆🥇🏅🎥📝🤩🕵🏼♀️☺️👍
I live in Winnipeg and have never heard of this case before, I was surprised to hear you say my city’s name! (But pretty fitting that the only thing we are known for is horrible murder 😭) PS. Regina is pronounced Reg-eye-na
Very horrific, the city was stunned ! The creep actually cut off his head . I don’t remember the time line , but the bus driver was so affected he later committed suicide. The creep is walking around Winnipeg under an alias. My heart goes out to the family..
I remember when this happened, but I was so young I wasn’t allowed to hear the details.. this made me extremely nauseous. I haven’t been affected by a true crime story like this one. May Tim rest in peace 🤍
This is one of the cases that I avoid because once I heard about it a few years ago it made me sick thinking about it. I hope you are doing well and taking care of yourself.
Hearing this story makes me sick to the stomach. Like really sick. I can’t imagine what the other people had to see him too to Tim. I must have been truly terrifying experience to go through. How could a human being to this? I had to remind myself a few times that this was a real true crime case and not a horror movie that was banned for being so gruesome. Can you maybe talk “The Montauk Project” someday, if you haven’t done about it yet? People say it’s like Strangers things but in real life.
Besides the Junko Furuta murder, this has got to be the most disturbing case I've heard in a while. Rest In Paradise Tim. You did not deserve that at all.
ETA: Add Maria Nemeth's murder to this list. There are some truly SICK people out there.
Yeah I felt sick to my stomach and even cried after hearing the Junko Furuta case. And even though I didn't cry with Tim in this case I do feel so bad for him because he was such a positive and polite person who was about to be a dad. Vince absolutely disgusted and enraged me with his actions. He should've been taken into prison and stayed a lot longer than stupid 7 years....
Literally. The two cases that scare me the most are this one and the Junko Furuta one.
My son is 18 and was diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 15. He is such an amazing man with a big heart. He is on great medication and he has a lot of support. We will have to make sure that he is taking his meds, but he also knows if he stops taking them, he will end up back in the hospital. He still gets hallucinations and he deals with voices most of the time, they are just quite and he has learned how deal with them also knowing they are not real. I didn’t know much about schizophrenia before this and only knew what people would say, but I have learned so much about. Honestly people with this are more likely to hurt themselves than hurt others if untreated.
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Thank you for saying this. You’re absolutely correct, too. People with schizophrenia are more likely to be harmed than harm others.
@@adeer87 when I told my sister in law his diagnosis (she is a nurse) she made it sound like he was going to attack her kids. We have nothing to do with her after a lot she has told the family. People need to get facts right before spreading lies that effect someone the rest of there life.
Canadian here, this case literally haunted all of Canada. Rest in peace to Tim.
As a fellow Canadian, I’m so embarrassed that our Justice system let this psychotic killer free. I don’t give a rats ass that he is mentally ill. He did the crime, so he should to the time. Of a life sentence.
my dad has a friend who was on that bus. scary
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😳Wow! Do you know how he's doing?
@@sburight he is doing okay, still really traumatized
I agree, definitely affected our whole nation
My dad works in law enforcement in Kitchener, Ontario. Some of his buddies were the cops surrounding the bus, who unfortunately committed suicide after the event. So so incredibly haunting
This is sooo sad........
They are literally multiple death linked to this case but the guy is free it’s crazy
More haunting to know this man is walking amongst us after being given a new name/identity. I hope he gets doxxed
@@35yoglenmckenna31 Exactly like I feel like he should have been held longer then 7 years
I like the focus on the victim rather than the k*ller. It really pushes how horrible of a crime this was compared to those who only talk about the perpetrator, which I feel really brings sympathy for someone who doesn't deserve it.
it's not about bringing sympathy, it's to avoid black and white situations in my opinion. wether people like it or not, the killers are not monsters, they're human. messed up dangerous humans, but humans non theless. it doesnt take away what the individual person did to another individual person but sometimes the killer isn't even a person but the systems or people who neglected mentally unwell people, or people who clearly needed counseling.
(sorry for my messy english)
@@tuxepo017 I totally agree! The actions that the criminals commit are horrific and vile but by painting them as just monsters then you often fail to see all the things that led up to what happened. It's not condoning or lessening the severity of the actions at all, they're still deplorable, but so often are the murderers sick people who've been failed time and time again by society.
It's less about giving sympathy to a criminal and more about seeing how avoidable the damage was by having better measures in place before it ever even got to this level.
Thank you for censoring "killer" in a comment under a video about a brutal fucking murder
@@respectableindividual4593 edgy
@@cosmicnic tfw only defense is saying "edgy" for no reason 😢
The trauma those passengers went through in that moment, just to be bought new clothes and sent home on a different bus. I feel for them, the bus ride home must have been the longest, most dreading thing any of them had to go through. One, they might have been terrified that something like this might happen again on their ride home; Two, the fact that they didn't get some sort of help from Greyhound is disgusting to me. Greyhound is a very large, and probably wealthy company they could have paid for the passengers to get some sort of counseling after this situation and they should have put money towards getting Vince put in Jail. I'm of the opinion, "philanthropy is a choice," but in this situation Greyhound should have stepped in and helped these people. Also, I feel for Tim's family, I can't imagine watching the news and being kindhearted enough to send a prayer to the victim only to find out that the victim was your son.
They should've gotten trauma counseling and honestly a pay out. This is way too much to just get clothes
Could not agree more. As someone who lives in Canada and has used grey hound in the past I agree. This is disgusting and they have failed every person on that bus.
they had interviewed the passengers and it broke my heart how they all said, “I don't trust anyone.”
At the very least they should have paid for therapy. The only way to help that situation is to get them into treatment and hopefully they don’t develop PTSD and are able to live happy and functional lives. Greyhound did the thing you would do if you *wanted* them all to get PTSD, which is PUT THEM BACK INTO THE EXACT SAME ENVIRONMENT THEY JUST EXPERIENCED TRAUMA IN. Absolutely bonkers. Like, they managed to do the exactly wrong thing when they had a million other options.
The police officer who handled the case and was at the scene of the crime, committed suicide
There was also a passenger who took their own life in the years after this, another TH-cam channel mentioned this in their account of the story. This is all around tragic. Rest in peace Tim.
Also I just have to point out. I’m no legal expert but the fact he was proven to be diagnosed with Schizophrenia and on his own free will CHOSE not to take the medicine…that alone should give him fault. Because he KNEW of his condition and looked the other way. This is a JOKE. May you RIP Tim…you didn’t deserve this.
I agree!! I know mental illness can lead to people doing things they would not typically do and it does shift some accountability when someone is suffering from a severe mental illness and commit a crime. HOWEVER, I feel if you are diagnosed with a mental illness and CHOSE not to take the medication to help, it is 100% your fault if that mental illness leads to crime.
It can be a lot more complicated than that. People stop taking medications for many reasons, like genuinely not understanding or believing that they need it (especially if they suffer from paranoia) or because the medication made them feel so ill they had to stop. He is responsible for not taking his meds, but we don’t truly know why he stopped.
Mental hospitals can be absolute hell, so it’s not like he actually got special treatment.
@PishPOn - I get all that, I do! But there HAS to be some kind of repercussion in place. A step to let these individuals know that if they choose to not take their medication after a legal diagnosis, that there will be consequences if something were to happen like this. I’m sure there will be those who say “well there will always be crimes like this it won’t get every diagnosed individual to take their meds”…my answer to that is even if it kept ONE individual on medication to prevent something like this, then it’s worth it. This case just absolutely blows my mind and I’ve seen it numerous times told from different journalists or creators…there’s no excuse. This man in a sense got behind a wheel knowing the breaks were faulty and never got them fixed. Which hypothetically led him to hit and kill a man. Wouldn’t that be a crime?
But he was still let out in 2015? Which is absolute bullshit honestly
@@royroyalu are we gonna arrest people for falling down the stairs and landing in the ICU, taking away another person's desperately needed place who will die bc of not getting the care they need? i mean, they should have a reprocussion for not being careful enough, right?
I understand where you're coming from, but if we start there, where will it end? Of course it appears to be a 'selfish' reasoning to not take medication, but it is not. Stop blaming the person before they committed the crime. You won't blame the fish who came out of the water all those billions of years ago for creating the worst species (us) either.
The real horror here is what Tim's family has had to go through bc of all this including his son who'll never know his father. Also the trauma the passengers had to go through and never received any therapy. How could they have not at least been offered therapy? That's horrible. Then to just let this horrific murderer back on the streets only 7 yrs later...WTH?? Imagine what it would do to one of the passengers if they saw him out and about or at work? That would definitely be re-traumatizing for them. RIP TIM
@@NOBODY-fz3im I totally agree. It really sickens me that a man can lose his life so horrifically and in front of so many people who had no where to go and the murderer gets 7 yrs of therapy, then gets to live the rest of his life out in society. It's disgusting and shows how messed up the justice system is. That young man will never get to live his life again or see his child grow up. The passengers certainly haven't been able to live their lives free of the trauma caused by that monster. But they give him 7 yrs of therapy and somehow deem him safe to re-enter society...how is that right at all? No justice whatsoever for Tim, his family, or the passengers. It's so tragic.
@@Jordys_Cursed_Camera Even if he was sick, he should have being held responsible, since he refused to take his meds
@@KatherineAcosta20 that’s what I thought too. It’s not your fault if you suffer from a disease, but it is your fault if you refuse to treat it.
Also I just wanted to mention how heroic Chris the bus driver was, before jumping off of the bus he hit a button that automatically locks and shuts the bus down so that nobody can takeoff with it which was a brilliant move on his part….. because I am pretty sure that Vincent did try to takeoff with the bus but he wasn’t able to thanks to the bus driver!
I took a grey hound for the first time as a teen right after this happened. My dad hugged me for the first time in YEARS before I got on the bus.
Lolll Jesus !!! Why did he let u go!! I would of been like... yeah ur def not going on the bus.
@@f4iryprnc3s I totally agree. That hug would also have had me thinking" this may not be a good idea". I really hate the Grayhound bus. It seems like it is a magnet for the worse people.
@@momsdiva71 hey tera, I’m not a parent, but as a human... I couldn’t imagine letting anyone I cared about let alone my child go on a bus after this story. So this comment broke my heart. I’ve been on public buses a few times as a child with my parents. I will never forget the first time I was on one with my mom at 4, there was a man in the back that looked like he could hardly stand... and his clothes looked like they had mold all over them. He smelled like strong urine. And my mom told me when we got off that he pissed himself multiple times in those clothes he was wearing. He was talking to himself and saying odd things out loud, at the time I thought he was just weird but now clearly I realize he was most likely either mentally ill or on drugs or both. That never sat right with me to this day. Now that I’m and adult and my parents no longer can control what I do, I never have taken a single bus since. Weird though because I did bus trip sales as a living recently for a brief period but that was for more of weddings and events not so much public transportation. Still thought, don’t like the thought of buses for whatver reason. And especially not after this story.
I was freshly 18 and I was going to see my bf. Nothing was going to stop me lol
@@cadburyyork5052 hahahahaah I feel that!😋
I think it shouldn't be Greyhound's responsibility to provide the victims with therapy, it should be the government.
I fully agree. I was a bit baffled when she made that statement. Especially when it was the bus drivers risking themselves to try to help Tim and to stop it
I agree. It wasn’t greyhound’s fault for what happened. He decided himself to stop medications. Which I get. Taking medication on a daily basis gets annoying and repetitive. I’ve had thoughts of stopping my medication cause I hate it. Especially if you take over 10 pills. And if anything greyhound may have not had the funds to do that as well. I can see them doing it for the driver but not all the passengers. Plus maybe some of the passengers didn’t want help after. Maybe they wanted to move on and never speak of that tragic day.
Interestingly enough, there was no security on greyhound buses in Canada before this happened. So this person was easily able to bring a weapon on the bus and use it. It was only after this incident did they have anyone checking bags and people who went on the bus. So in a way, greyhound held the majority of the responsibility for this incident as they failed to have any safety measures.
@@Megzy7 Then the majority of public transportation (buses, metros) around the world are being majorly irresponsible for not checking people's belongings.
I understand what you mean, but this could have happened anywhere. If someone stabs someone at a restaurant, is the restaurant responsible? (The restaurant itself could even have "provided" the knife to the aggressor)
Yeah right, as if the same government who set this man free would use their funds to help people!? They did however pay for the looney guy's therapy sessions and released him
Vince only getting 7 years for brutally killing and eating Tim makes no sense at all
Welcome to Canada where feelings matter more than facts in the Justice system. Hell, last year Toronto Police announced a cis masculine male pedophile as a “woman”.
Agreed and people thrown under the jail cell for marijuana charges. Vince deserved the death sentence or life in prison without the possibility of parole. He forfeited his right to be among society.
Strange that when a dog attacks human ,the dog gets put down,but this psycho brutally murdered someone and he gets special treatment...
Man needs a death sentence
It’s a complete slap to the face to Tim’s family
it’s insane how you could think it’s a normal day, and then you can be on the train with a killer…reminds me of how we shouldn’t take life for granted, rest in peace tim
I watch a lot of true crime, but this case makes me literally sick to my stomach.
Same! I have a pretty strong stomach for this kind of thing, but imagining those passengers seeing this all go down…🤢
YES! This one and the one where the boyfriend ripped his girlfriends guts out thru her vagina because he "thought" she wanted him too! Can you fuking
imagine!?🤢🤮🥶
It’s sad the victims in this case…the witnesses, aren’t given ANY help. No payments, no medical care…no therapy. Nothing. Yet we have this psycho walking around freely right now.
I hate him so much. He’s the reason why my anxiety won’t let be around skitzos. He has given them all a bad name and it’s sad because I’m sure a lot of them are safe to be around. I just will not take my chances.
I don't understand why the witnesses were given any help at all. This was an unspeakable, horrible and tragic murder. They actually witnessed Tim being executed. Who could forget those images?.
@@Lola_Nico its a lot less about the mental illness ans more about the person man. HE'S the horrible person, his mental illness hardly contributed to that i imagine. It doesnt just turn u into a bad person
@@Lola_Nico Schizophrenics are more likely to be victims of crimes than perpetrators.
@@F66x idk where you got that statistic or not but it doesn’t make me feel any safer. I look out for myself and my safety. I’ve given people chances and regret it almost every time. So no thanks, don’t wanna be around someone with that diagnosis.
Heard this case on Mr Ballen's channel but he didn't go into a whole lot of detail because of him putting three stories into that video. So glad you uploaded this! You're one of my favorite youtubers.
Eleanor Neale also has a video on this case, that's where I first heard it
I think she gets a lot of the stories from that channel I hear a few other he talks about but then again she doesn’t really talk about things that ppl haven’t heard about she talk about known cases
Ah yes, another fan of the strange, dark and mysterious delivered in story format
That man should not have been let out. It’s so unfair. Rip Tim… His poor family and those poor victims
Its unfair for people who live in his area without knowing hes there
let’s work on our understanding of mental illness and the purpose of the justice system.
I love how gentle you speak on these tragedies 😢💕
as a Canadian, this story has been trapped in my mind since I was a kid. I am very glad you talked about it since you always make sure it’s in a respectful manner. Tim did not deserve the awful situation he ended up in and neither did the rest of the people on the bus. I hope all those passengers have been able to find peace.
The man chose NOT to take medication for the sake of his own health and sanity, and also chose NOT allow his wife to help him…and then the government really let him go without any consequences??? Everyone around him have to suffer HIS consequences and the horror of what he did to Tim, while this man did not even step into prison for his own disgusting actions.
I hope all the witnesses got the help they need to this day, because being quarantined during the pandemic can make one’s mental health worse. I experienced this with my depression, so I can’t imagine how much worse they felt during quarantine.
I cannot believe they let this animal free, this is some bs. I am so pissed and sad for Tim's family. 💔
@@zeeyanda5850 when it comes to mental health and a disease it’s hard to prosecute someone who is sick and not in there right mind. If anything he should have been put into a institute for life being monitored and making sure he take his medication cause of the risk that could happen if he were to stop. I do wonder what the deal was to where he is walking free. Does he have to check in with a parole officer? A medical clinic ?
@@gertskook you right, they should lock him up. Make sure he takes his meds and gets the help he needs. Not allowed to live amongst other people, put them in risk .
@@gertskook they might have him doing monthly court ordered injections where they administer his medication via needle to make sure he’s actually taking it. I know that’s been done before for non-offenders who are non compliant with their medication so they might be doing the same thing here.
it hurts so much more hearing how much tim just liked to talk to people
I really appreciate that you took the time to clarify that people with schizophrenia aren't dangerous! These kinds of events are horrific, but very rare. More often, people with mental illness are the ones who are hurt, not vice versa.
That being said, I hope Tim's family and the witnesses of this are all healing and doing okay💕
i listened abt this case on your podcast yesterday as soon as it got out and im still in complete shock by it, the amount of cruelty tim had to go through genuinely made me sick to my stomach in a way i don't think any other case ever did
i still can't wrap my head around the fact that this man just gets to live his life among other ppl even after doing such a horrendous and disgusting crime towards another human being, an innocent man who didnt even know him, how is that not enough to consider this dude a danger to the people around him? its insane
when you talked abt the mom that had her child taken away bc she couldn't take care of them due to ptsd i just felt like crying, seriously, i dont even know how to describe the indifference and disrespect shown towards everyone that were there and has to experience such a gruesome and terrifying thing, as well as tim and his family, they failed all of them so fucking much man
I have never felt so physically ill hearing a true crime story. I listen to Hailey's videos all the time, but this one made me sick. Just picturing someone you love dying in this way is so sad and terrifying.
I've heard this story many times and still it is so disheartening to hear.. simply wrong place wrong time. The poor man.
I agree with you, I think that is important for this man to have gotten the psychological help he obviously needed and still needs but I don't think his schizophrenia was a valid excuse for this behavior and he shouldn't have been let out at all. There's a lot of people with schizophrenia and the vast majority of them don't go and commit heinous crimes like this one.
There's an abundance of people who think that a mental illness excuses one's actions, some go as far as saying that the fault lies completely on other people who failed to provide the disturbed with help, but it's important to remember that's not the case. He had schizophrenia but he was absolutely responsible for his actions, you can't force help onto people, they have to want it first. It's a really disturbing case but i'm glad people aren't defending the murderer, at least in the comments. They should've never let him out.
Obviously not everybody with X disorder kills people but that doesn't mean their disorder didn't cause them to do what they did.
@@fellith4295 sometimes mental illness is an excuse. It's a mental illness. Just like asthma may be your excuse out of PE, you have an illness, it will inhibit you from certain things that's how it works.
@TikTok Show you need to understand that he is mentally ill and cannot be held accountable for his actions because of the nature and severity of his symptoms.
I really love and appreciate how you took time at the end to speak on how not all people with schizophrenia are monsters. my little sister has it and she far from a monster. she gets bullied quite a bit because everyone she's told has had a terrible reaction to it, calling her names and telling her horrible things that aren't true. she now won't tell anyone because she doesn't want to get hurt and it is so disheartening and sad. people with schizophrenia are normal people with regular normal lives. they aren't monsters. thank you hailey for speaking so kindly and raising awareness at the end, it is appreciated so much💗
Focusing on the victim rather than the killer is nice, so important to talk about them as a person rather than feature the killer and their crimes
He's free and out walking around? I am worse than appalled. I have no words. *edit* Yes, I do. He also screwed a bunch of other peoples lives. He owes for that, too. He should be sentenced for the lives of all the survivors.
The purpose of him going to a mental hospital was to get better. If he's free, then they did their job. Revenge does nothing, keeping someone who doesn't need to be there would only make him worse.
He robbed Tim’s child of its father….that alone should’ve kept him locked up. Since he’s a free man, he should pay Tim’s child support. That’s the least I think he could do
I honestly believe that someone that far gone and depraved cannot be rehabilitated. They are what they are.
@@ronaldcounterman5812 The thing is they aren't too far gone. If they were beyond rehabilitation then they wouldn't have been released in only 7 years. An extremely short time, especially for a murder case such as this one.
You are allowed to an opinion, but you're simply incorrect.
@@ale.6195 even tho he was "rehabilitated" he did not deserve his freedom.
Hailey, Im a new subscriber and just wanted to say that I love your focus on the victim and your commentary on mental health at the end of the video. It really shows a compassion and empathy that I just dont see in other true crime youtubers. I really love your videos and how they are like sitting down and talking to a friend about it. You're so real and I appreciate that. TY
As a Canadian, i’ve personally never heard of this case. Absolutely horrific..we must get justice for Tim :( Rest in paradise poor Tim :(
Justice? Lol the guy is already out of the mental hospital.
Thank you for highlighting the trauma of the witnesses. A lot of the time I don't really hear about what happened to those who might have witnessed the crime or how the family coped with their loss, or how it affected people. Obviously they were traumatized for life, and obviously Tim deserved _nothing_ like this (this is one of the worst cases I've heard of), but I appreciate how respectful you are to everyone involved. ♥
I can't imagine how horrifying that was to witness
Hey fabulous , thank you for covering this my heart goes to Tim family 😥
Thank you for mentioning that not everyone with schizophrenia is violent, or a murderer. Both me and one of my best friends were diagnosed with it and we lost friendships and family because of the stigma around it. Cases like these help perpetuate that stigma, and it's extremely heart-warming to see a creator I like being mindful of such things.
And rest in peace Tim, thinking about the pain and suffering he went through is heartbreaking.
Very true. When I first became a true crime fan (couple of year ago) , I literally thought people with schizophrenia were dangerous people and it was only months later, when I researched the disorder, I discovered that people with schizophrenia are more likely to be victims of (extreme) violence than being the aggressor of it. And of course that people with mental issues are to be cared about and protected.
I think the entire true crime community and media need to be as aware as Hailey not to contribute to the stigmatisation
jeez do u have bipolar too? u defend him and then come here saying he is causing a stigma lol pick one
and u insult people for being upset at a man who do disgusting things. maybe ur just as disgusting, schizo
@@nolenm3819 in absolutely no way is Mal over here defending him. Theyre defending innocent people with mental illness
@@emmavrijburg6676 no his other comments, he goes back and fourth on the two sides
This is literally one of the most horrific cases I think I’ve ever heard it’s definitely in like the top three!!
R.I.P. Tim 🕊
Thank you so much for titling after the victim and not the perp. I love your evolution as a creator and respect for the victims. Tim seemed like a wonderful person and he never deserved that fate.
this case made me feel physically ill just *hearing* the details, i can't even begin to fathom the trauma those passengers and witnesses have gone and are probably still going through. I truly hope all those affected ended up finding some help and mental peace. Rest in Peace Tim.
this case scares me so bad especially when i’m on the bus. but another note i wanted to add is the weapon was actually a machete apparently which is even scarier
Thank you for talking about this. Rest In Peace Tim.
Manitobian here, this case still gets brought up anytime someone mentions taking a bus in my town, but it's a really interesting and tragic case! This has definitely traumatized my province
as someone from manitoba too, i hear about this case way too often
This is why I got my concealed carry license and carry my gun everywhere- it was the first thing I did after I got out of the army. I’m surprised you didn’t go into more depth about the veteran on the bus! Every situation I go into I’m on High alert bc I just cannot trust people anymore- it’s absolutely mind-boggling the types of people there are in the world🥴
Thank you for the disclaimer about schizophrenia at the end. I don’t have schizophrenia, however I care a lot about mental illness being portrayed correctly, and schizophrenia is often assumed to be synonymous with serial killer. Again, I appreciate it.
Thank you for taking the time to talk about schizophrenia. One of my best friends has the illness and it makes me sad whenever I hear people putting all schizophrenics under the possible murderer category. It of course can get that bad, but it's no different from any other disorder, its just seeing the world differently. The problem occurs when people are demonized and/or stop seeking treatment.
I appreciate you covering Tim's backstory, I have yet to hear anyone talk about him as a person, they only cover what happened to him
I was binging Hailey's Videos and I started to worry I had warched allá of them already and this gem of a video came out, so Hailey: THANK YOU!! 🎉🎉
This is, without a doubt, one of the most horrific true crime stories I've ever heard. Calling it a nightmare would be a vast understatement. It's impossible to even comprehend what his friends and family, the police on the scene, or the witnesses were going through (and still are). I can't even imagine living after witnessing something so horrible.
I can't believe the psycho killer is walking free today.
That man should’ve stayed in jail and this is another case where the justice system doesn’t do it’s job and I hope the victims are doing better
I love the little segment at the end where you speak out against demonizing schizophrenia. One thing you said is SO true and and SO powerful: there are people out there who kill, every day that don’t have schizophrenia.
Is it Wednesday again already?! I've been watching these all summer and you're slowly introducing me to the true crime genre, thanks Hailey!!
Vince should be financially responsible for all survivors' therapy
Those poor victims. I wouldn’t be able to stop thinking about the fact “What if that was me” so scary
"he could walk into a room knowing no one and walk out having best friends"
MAN I WISH BRO 😪
heard this story many times and still gives me the chills everytime
this was literally so hard to listen too but i love hailey so i pulled through😭
i’m so happy u finally put this outfit together, it’s so cute!! love u and LOVE this content ❤
I wanted to say that i really appreciated what you said about people who are diagnosed schizophrenia. My dad was diagnosed when I was very young and even though he’s no longer around, I am still very bothered by the assumptions that people make about schizophrenics. Also I love your videos and thank you from the content!
Thanks again for the excellent work you do!!! This, I thought, was definitely an interesting case so I was happy to hear/see your perspective on it!!
Thanks for the great and helpful epilogue on schizophrenia. (I have a Masters in Forensic Psych.) Folks with mental illness like this are much more likely to be a victim. Schizophrenia, like all other DSM diagnoses, can only be diagnosed by a licensed mental health professional who has done the evaluative work with the patient. (I do not have a license; therefore, I do not diagnose.) Also, like all other DSM diagnoses, symptoms of schizophrenia can vary as to type, duration, and intensity. This is why it takes a team - and often a second opinion - to confirm. Med compliance is definitely challenging with this population. It's a very tough diagnosis for the patient and their family. Definitely does not make a murderer. Also note, in the US, (determined by state law,) someone using a not guilty by reason of insanity plea, (or depending on the state, guilty but mentally ill,) is a very rare affirmative defense that is only tried in 5% of cases, and only works out in 1% of them, statistically speaking. Also, in the US, the offender is remanded to a mental health facility (sometimes called a Forensic Psychiatric Hospital) ***for the duration of the same amount of time they would have spent in prison.*** Apparently, Canadian laws are much more lenient, (same in UK & Europe,) as they fully believe these sentences are meant to be rehabilitating. This is also why the US us seen to have more incarcerated persons, because sentences are often much longer. We all have a lot more work to do. Anyway, thanks for letting an old gal ramble. I'm very impressed at your ability compartmentalize your own emotions and reactions to these gruesome stories. We're all out here gagging.
Oh yeah, just let the crazy cannibal be free after only SEVEN YEARS🙃 In my opinion, I feel like he was crazy but not to the extent that he should've gotten away with this due to insanity. I think he knew very well what he was doing. Also it's not fair that the murderer had more help than the actual witnesses/victims, they too were deeply traumatized and needed help dealing with the aftermath of the case...
Oh my god! This case is so horrific. I cant imagine being a passenger on that bus, or being Tim’s family/friend and hearing that he had such a gruesome death. Unbelievable 💔 Rest in peace, Tim.
It makes me so mad at how he was able to be a free man but Tim can't live the rest of his life.
Thank you so much for the disclaimer about schizophrenia at the end💝 my grandma is schizophrenic and she is so full of love, its honestly so horrible what people twist these types of things into so thank you
thank you so much for mentioning the stigma about mental illness! the myths and generalizations are so harmful
Thank you for having stuffed animals in your video. They’re very cute and help bc this case is so gruesome
I met Kendall and he will always fight for Tim and the law to prevent criminally insane people from getting released . Greyhound didn’t last very long after this incident . Rip tim you will be forever missed 🙏
And he was also sleeping when he was attacked…. Unfortunately It’s kind of hard to fight back when you’re asleep when the assault starts. So horrific 😣
I hugely recommend watching the TV interview of the one passenger who helped, along with the truck driver and the bus driver. His firsthand account is crazy. Especially given that it was a few hours later. You can see he’s still in shock and he has this wild look in his eyes. He served in the army for 5 years and then experiences something unreal like this. His bravery and quick action to alert everyone, as well as helping keep the killer trapped was unreal.
Omg such perfect timing, I just sat down to get ready for work🙌🏽 definitely one of my fave TH-camrs💜
Hey! I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada and this case ROCKED our entire city to the core. Greyhound no longer has a station in Winnipeg because of it. no one wanted to use the bus afterwards. It scared folks, but at the same time there was a lot of discussion around mental health, as well as the criminal justice system’s response towards mental health. I feel there was some positive from that tragedy in that regard.
Ps: pronunciations: ee-lie (Elie, Manitoba), Ree-Jie-nah (Regina).
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Loved this video! Thanks so much!!
Winnipeg represent! Also, fun fact, I work for the psychiatrist who treated Vince Lee and testified for him (the information is public knowledge and he's no longer a patient).
Also yeah no, My uncle had Schizophrenia he never wanted to kill anyone, he was really nice and fun. He just had episodes where he would see his grandma at his house. He also had his... problems of the self harming type, it wasn't extreme, but he had to have a really child proof house.
But he died in a house fire a few years ago.
Also almost a million subs I'm so proud you go girl 🤧❤️
Thank you so much for the note at the end about schizophrenia. Stigmas can be so harmful and it's important to have full transparency about the media we consume. I wish more creators would follow in your footsteps.
this girl literally my fav youtuber😭😭
As a mental health professional, I understand both why the survivors wouldn't want him free & the anxiety of a local community as well as I understand the need for someone who experiences violent psychosis when unmedicated to receive ongoing treatment & rejoin society. There is a reason why even in America, the most punitive country in the Global North, you have Not Guilty for Reason of Insanity.
Because what does it mean to "hold somebody accountable" when they have zero autonomy over what is going on? Years spent in a high-intensity institution with treatment & dozens of medical doctors deciding it is in the patient & community's best interest to be released- at least, imo, placed in a halfway house.
His "accountability" won't be found locked up in a prison for the rest of his life due to actions he truly had no control over if he was in that deep a psychosis. That's just carceral punishment for brain chemistry. That people feel he deserves being locked up is because of their own personal feelings of revenge & people should not be punished merely for revenge, especially if they were not conscious while the act occurred.
He does deserve treatment & he deserves a monitored release after high-observation inpatient treatment.That being said, the survivors needed just as much treatment & aftercare completely compensated for the rest of their lives. But locking someone in as torturous an environment as prison for untreated psychosis when they are in treatment and competent is just something that satisfies our base impulses, not better for society nor for the individual & his family. Tired of the true crime content creator who describe cases harmed by police & prisons then advocate fully for the carceral system :/ (Yes, millions more in prison in North America deserve freedom more)
No, but he should be held accountable for the fact that his actions were caused by the fact that he refused treatment. His own negligence for his mental health is single handedly the reason for this.
I don't disagree that he should recieve treatment after the fact, but I also think that it was an easy (literal) get out of jail free card. His actions suggested that he at least knew what he was doing, and its far easier to plead to insanity when you have a previous diagnosis.
I also don't think it matters how much treatment he's had though, noone will likely be comfortable or fully trusting of him again. He beheaded a man, cut him up and showed pieces of him to people, supposedly ate parts of his body and we're just going 'oh yeah, 7 years? That's good enough for me'
Thank. You.
Nearly everyone in this comment section seems to think that locking people in a cell and neglecting them will somehow help.
I have Schizophrenia, and I had become extremely unstable and I was seen as a threat to my and others' safety. I was put in a psychiatric hospital and I stayed there for a month and I was only released once I was deemed fit to return to society. I can't even begin to imagine what would've happened if I was sent to a prison cell when I very clearly needed help.
My sympathy for him is limited, but I don't believe that sending him to prison would've helped, if anything it might've worsened his condition.
People with little understanding of mental illnesses (especially ones as complex as schizophrenia) saying such harmful things only helps perpetuate the stigma around mental illnesses, so I thank you as a professional for taking the time to inform people.
Thank you for this well thought and educated perspective. It's a seriously tough situation with no "easy fix."
Hmm Idk I didn’t see it that way like he should be put in prison for what he did even if he wasn’t in his senses and didn’t intend to do it, it was more like he should be put in prison and receiving treatment in there so there is no possibility of this happening again and other innocent people being severely harmed by his actions
@@fmamamaba1460 as they said, a monitored release would suffice. Where they keep an eye on him but he ultimately rejoins society. If anything these cases can maybe assist in the importance of mental health for minorities and immigrants
I remember when this happened, pretty sure he was recently released too, just started the video though so can’t wait to see what you found out in your research 💓
just as i was about to start my laundry. thank you for my background tv queen 💅
This might be a bit off topic but I’m glad you stopped doing makeup in true crimes videos. I really like your vibe and your content is great but the makeup part always made me uncomfortable when talking about someone’s murder. Overall, I love your vids.
yes!! i saw people speaking about how they miss it (along with the spooky scary skeletons line), but i always felt it was good she started bringing her full attention to the case
I agree! I do like watching her “do something” in her videos sometimes but I think if she did it during her conspiracy theory or other topics that would be fine. I agree that it’s a little off putting when it comes to true crime.
People actually watch the videos? I always just listen to it as audio books
this was so horrifying that it made me lose my appetite. rest in peace tim 💔
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I love you so much, you made my evening ❤️
This case broke Canada's heart. I still think about it to this day but never knew this many details. Thank you for bringing light back to this case.
Wow that was sick! I actually watched this outside today! Sitting on my porch enjoying a bowl!
Great coverage Hailey, as always!🥰 This case really rocked us here in Canada and for a long time too. I don’t think there’s anyone who was around then that doesn’t know about the case. Also, we pronounce Regina similar to the body part, like Ragina 😅
i remember hearing about this growing up in canada, i will never forget this case, rest easy Tim
I got to cover the legal case in my grade 12 law class here in Canada and it’s still messed my brain up years later
That's Canadas Justice system eh! But make sure your vaccinated or else.
You should really cover Johnny Gosch's disappearance. It's so puzzling and a good mix of true crime and conspiracy theories.
Hailey your channel keeps getting better and better, God bless ya, babe, keep up the great work!
Living in MB this case is so prominent in my memory, years after this i remember my dad bringing up how he was supposed to be out and moving into town houses not far from us, regardless if this was a issue of mental health what that man did was horrific and I cant imagine being present and the fear people went through experiencing this.
I volunteered at the psych hospital this guy was admitted to and he was definitely off his rocker even on meds
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This case sticks with me. It’s so fucking sad. And the dude is free
I live in Winnipeg and have never heard of this case before, I was surprised to hear you say my city’s name! (But pretty fitting that the only thing we are known for is horrible murder 😭)
PS. Regina is pronounced Reg-eye-na
Very horrific, the city was stunned ! The creep actually cut off his head . I don’t remember the time line , but the bus driver was so affected he later committed suicide. The creep is walking around Winnipeg under an alias. My heart goes out to the family..
I remember when this happened, but I was so young I wasn’t allowed to hear the details.. this made me extremely nauseous. I haven’t been affected by a true crime story like this one. May Tim rest in peace 🤍
This is one of the cases that I avoid because once I heard about it a few years ago it made me sick thinking about it. I hope you are doing well and taking care of yourself.
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Hearing this story makes me sick to the stomach. Like really sick. I can’t imagine what the other people had to see him too to Tim. I must have been truly terrifying experience to go through. How could a human being to this? I had to remind myself a few times that this was a real true crime case and not a horror movie that was banned for being so gruesome.
Can you maybe talk “The Montauk Project” someday, if you haven’t done about it yet? People say it’s like Strangers things but in real life.
From Brandon, Manitoba. I remember this case very well.