What I like in fusion solos is the complexity of feelings they containing. It is very interesting that joy, warning and spookyness are combined in one melody
5:37 nearly brings a tear in my eyes. I'm a keyboard player and theres only a handful of times I've played a solo that makes me feel like that. Pain, determination, vengfulness and headstrongness all in one solo. I can very much relate
I was abducted one time...I was taken to a dark, hot room packed full of other humans/abductees, 5 beings stood cloaked in darkness on an elevated platform at the front of the room, only their silhouettes were visible, the beings were each bearing strange sonic devices which they would operate in rhythmic unison, the room was filled with flashing multicolored beams of light which operated synchronously with these strange instruments, upon hearing the emanations from these devices all the humans in the room would jump around, shove, and assault each other as if they were being driven mad by the sounds, one of the beings began to make loud growling and screaming sounds and seemed to be imitating the English language, this process went on for about 90 mins or so and then the beings departed. I was returned to my apartment later that evening astonished and in shock at what I had just witnessed. I'm still not sure what really happened that night but I know my life will never be the same, and I seem to have developed an inexplicable propensity for music with odd time signatures.....true story
Increible!!! llevo escuchado este tema miles de veces y me caigo de culo!!!... un hermoso homenaje a Allan... con un toque de swedish flavor!... Saludos desde Argentina
This opened my eyes/ears so much when i was younger, this just proves how awesome thordendal's musicianship is, chord charts dammit.. holdsworth and thordendal.. only ones to reall harness this tone
I love Thordendal's solo, but what about Mats keyboard solo in the middle and THEN Mattias Eklund synth solo at the End?? Awesome awesomeness, I didn't know he could shred key changes soo well! Top notch performance and composition.
It's on the Meshuggah site: The Japanese version has a bonus track called "Missing Time". It's an old song by Fredrik Thordendal and Mattias Eklund. Here it features Morgan Ågren on drums, Mats Öberg on keyboard, Svante Henrysson on the bass, Mattias Eklund on guitar synth, and Fredrik did guitars and programming.
Close encounters of the 4th kind are by far the most frightening. Abductions of human beings by aliens... This form of amnesia is known as, Missing Time. Missing Time is a good way to describe the kind of crazy syncopation/polyrhythms of Meshuggah.
Yep, exactly know what you mean. Never again heard a beauty like this. But I also love Thordendal´s style and approach to holdsworthian scales and technique.
I wonder if that title has to do with Betty and Barney Hill's abduction. They were abducted and 2 hours later they find themselves in their car, realizing that they couldn't recall what happened in the last 2 hours. They were missing time. I'm pretty sure that's what this title is about. Frederik also had a demo called 'Zeta Reticuli'. It is a star system that had to do with the abduction. Betty Hill was ably to draw that star system under hypnosis, 6 yrs before astronomers could see it!
Out of all the guitarists ive heard, fredrik thordendal is seriously the most fucking legit. There are FEW guitarists that can compete with his innovation and style. He writes a poetry without words, not many people can do this.
haggismuncher It sure is. To say that this is a rip off from Holdsworth is to say that Thordendal isn't the creative genius that clearly IS. This album is fantastic.. extremely high musicianship.
I never said he was a rip off....read my fuckin message dude ..i said INFLUENCED BY ALAN HOLDSWORTH... which is a compliment to his playing... maybe you need to see an optician!!!
haggismuncher what's funny is a ripped on some guy talking smack about Daniele Gottardo than I looked at when the comment was posted, 8 years ago!!! Haha. Thordendal is The Man! Paying homage to the Master!
Holy shit that reminds me so much of Allan Holdsworth (listen to the album hard hat area). I hate it to make comparisons - Fredrik just seems to be influenced a lot by AH.
not metheny at all. metheny is mostly happy new agey jazz. Fred himself said this is Allan Holdsworth influenced. Nothing groundbreaking here at all, allan did it much better. Only a metal fan that does not know Allan would think it special at all...and as Freds audience are 99% metal guys thats no surprise.
It's not terrible. It's fantastic. Not your cup of tea, perhaps, but just listen. Can you even comprehend what's behind this music? Strange and alien, and eerily beautiful.
progjazzfusion alright cool, i am a metal fan and only listen to a handful of bands (ISIS, Old man Gloom, Cult of Luna, Pig Destroyer. etc). i checked out Allan earlier and could hear the simularities. You would know more than me on this. I've not heard Fred's album the whole way through but when i did my mental boundries was smushed so even if hhe's copied good on him relaying it on for more to witness. Plus you are right about artistic merit. There's nothing like going deep until you see what makes you unique.
If you think, it´s a ripoff, you should train your ears an learn to hear the difference. 4.15 BE executive is my favourite piece of music for nearly 25 years now, I listen to Thordendal since 1996 and never confused their style of playing. There´s already a lot of Thordendal ripoffs outthere. I guess, Allan is very proud about having so much influence on modern guitar players, like he had on me. There is place for more than one guitar genius on this planet.
damn, Fredrik's tone through the breath controller is so fucking awesome. i get so envious that he can switch between very organic to very robotic tones on the fly like that.
It is like being torn between a dimensional shift. My eyes shut are unswayably moving to this vulnerable, fragile sounding music. Outer space origin yet still of human nature. What a genius!!!
It's on the re-release of Sol Niger Within (version 3.33). From the Meshuggah website: "CD RR6417. Sol Niger Within version 3.33 (Ultimate Audio Entertainment & Relapse Records) - a new mix by Fredrik Thordendal and Daniel Bergstrand; no church organs, better sound quality, PQ-coding rather than index, and bonus songs, "Missing Time" and "Ooo Baby Baby". (Nuclear Blast Records)"
From 1:34 reminds me very strongly of parts of Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds... being a fan of the latter & a massive fan of Meshuggah, I'm loving this major amounts!!!
nope, this song was released way before the movie. i just saw it last night and thoroughly enjoyed it. afterwards i had to listen to this song a few times
wtf Missing Time wasn't on the original? nutz.... someone must have decided it wasn't "metal" enough..... Probably the only tune that really shows what they can do without focusing too much on being heavy. Always thought of Meshuggah as a jazz fusion band, that track just confirms it.
japanese versions have more bonus material coz man there cd prices are super high...so the labels demand extra material for release... this is from bjorn strid of soilwork
WOW thts catchty i was swaying with the music in my car at a red light nd 2 ppl looked at me nd asked if i needed help nd i did i needed to knw why i am worthy enough to let my ears dance with the music of frederik
The fretless bass solo reminds me of the solo in a composition by Alain Caron called "Ink Illusion", similar spacey chord progressions but at a faster tempo. There's a video of it here on youtube, check it out.
In reality, Sol Niger Within has several versions, and I think there are at least 3 versions in market. Some part is edited and snipped in later versions (most notably, Mats Oberg's organ part is vanished in later versions).
@vdopower66 The first 48 seconds are "Synthesizer" violin sounds ( strings ) and along the way some of the synth backing chords are kind of like synth violins as well. They may or may not of been midi triggered. I'm only replying to your comment and don't bother to look up the comment from EccentricRichard so I might not be answering you question properly. Good luck.
@mindsmirror Just because the main riff of some song segment is the same or similar to a riff from another song shouldn't imply that there's a thematic similarity. First of all, you're basing as assumption on an assumption on an assumption, that Tagatha song is actually giving credit to a hallucinated experience, that Sublevels is, and that there is neccessarily any correlation between the two other than riff. The conclusion is based on speculation.
I love this, and I don't mind that it's 99% copying Allan Holdsworth, not many could come even close.... I've seen them live... Allan Holsworth Band, Fredrik Thordendals Special Deffects and Morgan Ågren, different occations... Blows me away every time.. A higher dimension and a deeper language... of life...
@DarkAssassin1323 I'm pretty sure Fredrik is playing everything in this track, but some of it is synth, and some is guitar. The intro line I think is indeed synth, but don't be surprised if all the solos are on guitar. He's pretty versatile in that regard. :)
![Rig Rundown - Meshuggah's Fredrik Thordendal, Mårten Hagström, & Dick Lövgren [2013]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/oAFJmgA2G5E/mqdefault.jpg)
"ufo metal / anal probe fusion"
Completely agree, such a wonderful music genre.
Vezonmodder Anal Probe Fusion. That's jazz fusion and what else?
@@Nothing-bl7bj anal probes.
5 years later and "anal probe fusion" still gets me hahahahaha
Too few people commenting on the absolutely insane drumming by Morgan Agren. I just can't fathom how he pulls off that shit.
This piece never gets old. Never.
Never.
Never old it gets. This piece.
Piece. Never never. Old this gets
Old this piece, never get got.
never this. Old piece got never
What I like in fusion solos is the complexity of feelings they containing. It is very interesting that joy, warning and spookyness are combined in one melody
Absolutely. Especially Holdsworth's work. Creepy keyboard/guitar chords with that absolutely beautiful guitar tone, it's so good.
5:37 nearly brings a tear in my eyes. I'm a keyboard player and theres only a handful of times I've played a solo that makes me feel like that. Pain, determination, vengfulness and headstrongness all in one solo. I can very much relate
If you like that, listen to King Crimson. That sounds like something Fripp would do.
@@markbowen8461 Many, many of their live improvs between the 90s and now. Not so much in their earlier work, or some stuff on Three Of A Perfect Pair.
Fredrik Holdsworth...
What is this
@@diamondkyle812Fredrik's main inspiration, mate. The late, great Allan Holdsworth.
If you don't hear the holdsworth influence in this, your fucking insane.
you’re*
Man, I've been waiting years for Thordenal to make another Special Defects record. I wonder it it'll ever happen.
11 years later and still no new album
thank for uploading this timeless masterpiece . one of the top 5 albums of all time for me .
Fuck yeah
mike patton remember this song is a 'Bonus' track. It's not actually on Sol Niger, same with Ooo Baby Ooo. These are Actually from Mats & Morgan album
I was abducted one time...I was taken to a dark, hot room packed full of other humans/abductees, 5 beings stood cloaked in darkness on an elevated platform at the front of the room, only their silhouettes were visible, the beings were each bearing strange sonic devices which they would operate in rhythmic unison, the room was filled with flashing multicolored beams of light which operated synchronously with these strange instruments, upon hearing the emanations from these devices all the humans in the room would jump around, shove, and assault each other as if they were being driven mad by the sounds, one of the beings began to make loud growling and screaming sounds and seemed to be imitating the English language, this process went on for about 90 mins or so and then the beings departed. I was returned to my apartment later that evening astonished and in shock at what I had just witnessed. I'm still not sure what really happened that night but I know my life will never be the same, and I seem to have developed an inexplicable propensity for music with odd time signatures.....true story
@Rensi bruh, this comment is buried so deep in the internet.......
@Rensi this dave guy
Dude thinks more than 5 people are gonna see it
@Rensi uhhhhh say what now?
I only know portuguese and english soo.....
@Rensi ataaa
Surpreso de ve tanto br que eh fã de metal....
....... ou vc ta usando google tradutor :o
@Rensi 👍
Increible!!! llevo escuchado este tema miles de veces y me caigo de culo!!!... un hermoso homenaje a Allan... con un toque de swedish flavor!... Saludos desde Argentina
Fredrik is my hero, and i dont even play guitar
What makes this song great, like all great songs, is the incredible emotion in the guitar. The solos really cry out to you. Brilliant brilliant song.
I always knew Thordendal was an amazing player, the few solos I've heard from Meshuggah have been awe-inspiring, but this takes the fuckin' cake.
This opened my eyes/ears so much when i was younger, this just proves how awesome thordendal's musicianship is, chord charts dammit.. holdsworth and thordendal.. only ones to reall harness this tone
Missing time, the Acid Jazz Fusión of Fredrik Thordendal`s Special Defect....
A very very very good song, a really monument of the music....
I love Thordendal's solo, but what about Mats keyboard solo in the middle and THEN Mattias Eklund synth solo at the End?? Awesome awesomeness, I didn't know he could shred key changes soo well! Top notch performance and composition.
I LOVE THE INTRO. The crazy wild violins with the heavy drums. Then Fredrik's solos just soothes you away..
It's on the Meshuggah site:
The Japanese version has a bonus track called "Missing Time". It's an old song by Fredrik Thordendal and Mattias Eklund. Here it features Morgan Ågren on drums, Mats Öberg on keyboard, Svante Henrysson on the bass, Mattias Eklund on guitar synth, and Fredrik did guitars and programming.
This song sounds like really badass jazz
Close encounters of the 4th kind are by far the most frightening. Abductions of human beings by aliens...
This form of amnesia is known as, Missing Time.
Missing Time is a good way to describe the kind of crazy syncopation/polyrhythms of Meshuggah.
Yep, exactly know what you mean. Never again heard a beauty like this. But I also love Thordendal´s style and approach to holdsworthian scales and technique.
I wonder if that title has to do with Betty and Barney Hill's abduction.
They were abducted and 2 hours later they find themselves in their car, realizing that they couldn't recall what happened in the last 2 hours.
They were missing time.
I'm pretty sure that's what this title is about.
Frederik also had a demo called 'Zeta Reticuli'.
It is a star system that had to do with the abduction. Betty Hill was ably to draw that star system under hypnosis, 6 yrs before astronomers could see it!
Alien Holdsworth
Out of all the guitarists ive heard, fredrik thordendal is seriously the most fucking legit.
There are FEW guitarists that can compete with his innovation and style.
He writes a poetry without words, not many people can do this.
fred copied allan holdsworth for this, as many have, so there are many people who can and have done this style. It's called fusion.
the best all time guitar player..
Agreed
"One of the best" Its not a competition, its art. :)
I think Fred's playing is more of a homage to Allan Holdsworth rather than a rip off!!!
haggismuncher It sure is. To say that this is a rip off from Holdsworth is to say that Thordendal isn't the creative genius that clearly IS. This album is fantastic.. extremely high musicianship.
I never said he was a rip off....read my fuckin message dude ..i said INFLUENCED BY ALAN HOLDSWORTH... which is a compliment to his playing... maybe you need to see an optician!!!
Read *MY* fucking message, dude. I was actually agreeing with you.
And wow, you're responding to a comment from October 2014. Pick your battles, man..
haggismuncher what's funny is a ripped on some guy talking smack about Daniele Gottardo than I looked at when the comment was posted, 8 years ago!!! Haha.
Thordendal is The Man! Paying homage to the Master!
@@mikepostdrums did you not also respond years after the fact? I think we know who the real loser is
Thordendal is now my new favorite guitarist.
Holy shit that reminds me so much of Allan Holdsworth (listen to the album hard hat area). I hate it to make comparisons - Fredrik just seems to be influenced a lot by AH.
Pat Matheny major influence at this song.
Fredrick likes, respects, and is indeed influenced by Holdsworth. :) He's the first to say so.
yeah - there is nothing wrong with this. its great taste. and I myself love to be inspired by others.
not metheny at all. metheny is mostly happy new agey jazz. Fred himself said this is Allan Holdsworth influenced. Nothing groundbreaking here at all, allan did it much better. Only a metal fan that does not know Allan would think it special at all...and as Freds audience are 99% metal guys thats no surprise.
progjazzfusion Metheny 70 and 80 álbuns are very experimental. With a lots of synth guitars. And this Song are too similar...
It's not terrible. It's fantastic. Not your cup of tea, perhaps, but just listen. Can you even comprehend what's behind this music? Strange and alien, and eerily beautiful.
Definitely on of the best musicians in the world...if not THE greatest. My absolute idol!
I hear Zappa influences too, not only Holdsworth
This is really great. I just listened to the whole thing, and I was left in awe.
Boundries broken
+Miagi Fodder - yes by allan holdsworth long before, not by fred who copied him
you might have a point i can hear similarities. i find with this album tho it's breaking more boundries than just bad ass guitar.
progjazzfusion alright cool, i am a metal fan and only listen to a handful of bands (ISIS, Old man Gloom, Cult of Luna, Pig Destroyer. etc). i checked out Allan earlier and could hear the simularities. You would know more than me on this. I've not heard Fred's album the whole way through but when i did my mental boundries was smushed so even if hhe's copied good on him relaying it on for more to witness. Plus you are right about artistic merit. There's nothing like going deep until you see what makes you unique.
I Emailed Fredrik and he said that This Song was inspired by Allan Holdsworth
If the faceless' planetary duality album had a baby with animals as leaders, this is what it would sound like
no. animals as leaders were also influenced by allan holdsworth as fred was on this. the source is allan.
@@RocknJazzer nope you're wrong.
My god man! The control! The phrasing! The articulation! Fredrik is more than amazing.
The amazing guitar, inspired some AMAZING drums! which in turn makes the amazing guitars sound AMAZING!
If you think, it´s a ripoff, you should train your ears an learn to hear the difference. 4.15 BE executive is my favourite piece of music for nearly 25 years now, I listen to Thordendal since 1996 and never confused their style of playing. There´s already a lot of Thordendal ripoffs outthere. I guess, Allan is very proud about having so much influence on modern guitar players, like he had on me. There is place for more than one guitar genius on this planet.
This song makes time weep while space hushes his crying friend in the bushes of the universe of never ending mortality.
damn, Fredrik's tone through the breath controller is so fucking awesome. i get so envious that he can switch between very organic to very robotic tones on the fly like that.
zajebisty jest ten utwór!:)
77777 this is 216,days lost,its trippy ,its beyond .thay had me time again,i dont know who i am now????.no door,but only a door.
It is like being torn between a dimensional shift. My eyes shut are unswayably moving to this vulnerable, fragile sounding music. Outer space origin yet still of human nature. What a genius!!!
It's on the re-release of Sol Niger Within (version 3.33).
From the Meshuggah website: "CD RR6417. Sol Niger Within version 3.33 (Ultimate Audio Entertainment & Relapse Records) - a new mix by Fredrik Thordendal and Daniel Bergstrand; no church organs, better sound quality, PQ-coding rather than index, and bonus songs, "Missing Time" and "Ooo Baby Baby". (Nuclear Blast Records)"
this is sick beyond explanation, yet sublime art of the higher spheres.
That tone though.
copied from allan holdsworth
you must not listen to much holdsworth if you think this is a copy
I wish I could like this 1,000 times.
jazz fusion is CRAZYYYYYY =]] i love this
Love the depth and detail.
From 1:34 reminds me very strongly of parts of Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds... being a fan of the latter & a massive fan of Meshuggah, I'm loving this major amounts!!!
I wish I could like this one thousand times.
This is such a OG DOOM soundtrack. In the beginning at least...
I almost shitted myself when i noticed the face changed
oh thx for posting this its sounds good ive never heard of it before.
nope, this song was released way before the movie. i just saw it last night and thoroughly enjoyed it. afterwards i had to listen to this song a few times
Aliens engineer new dimensions with a substance known as thordendallium
wtf Missing Time wasn't on the original?
nutz.... someone must have decided it wasn't "metal" enough..... Probably the only tune that really shows what they can do without focusing too much on being heavy.
Always thought of Meshuggah as a jazz fusion band, that track just confirms it.
Jazz❤
This is what I wish Holdsworth sounded like. So good.
Wow, this song is pretty atmospheric. Very good.
0:48 heyyyy, thats from fire in the sky! cool
2:31 2:34 shivers...
i love me some alien jazz metal fussion
He was abducted by only one alien who goes by the name of Allan Holdsworth.
japanese versions have more bonus material coz man there cd prices are super high...so the labels demand extra material for release...
this is from bjorn strid of soilwork
This is ridiculously good.
This is Holdsworth reeking out of every pore in this track.
Wow, Fredryk rules! I didnt realize he had any intrumentals!
WOW
thts catchty
i was swaying with the music in my car at a red light nd 2 ppl looked at me nd asked if i needed help
nd i did
i needed to knw why i am worthy enough to let my ears dance with the music of frederik
If I could create a track like this, I could say with confidence, I am a complete guitarist.
Nikita Mykhailov I haven't transcribed that part, but it's metric modulation for sure.
@22fret Yeah, the album is amazing. Belongs in my all-time favorite songs, together with Stravinsky's Rite of Spring and some others.
So, rings of saturn's influence came from meshuggah aswell ^)
The dark black eyes look like those of Christopher Walken .And what a song this is.
The fretless bass solo reminds me of the solo in a composition by Alain Caron called "Ink Illusion", similar spacey chord progressions but at a faster tempo. There's a video of it here on youtube, check it out.
@Thraxxacor So thank your mind for creating this song every morning to listen to all day :)
you didnt scare him for life, you scared him to death :D:D:D
@dirtyoldpriest Alas, somebody finally gets it! Kudos. Btw, love the handle.
This song is so inasanely genius.
a genius track!
So that's what I was thinking all along...
In reality, Sol Niger Within has several versions, and I think there are at least 3 versions in market. Some part is edited and snipped in later versions (most notably, Mats Oberg's organ part is vanished in later versions).
It controls the volume coming out of your amp by using your breath. He uses it in alot of solos.
Just because something looks likely to you doesn't mean that it's the truth. Remember that.
I belive in the existence of cratures living in another planets.
Thats realy nice.
Fredrik is a genious!Bravo!!
@vdopower66
The first 48 seconds are "Synthesizer" violin sounds ( strings ) and along the way some of the synth backing chords are kind of like synth violins as well. They may or may not of been midi triggered. I'm only replying to your comment and don't bother to look up the comment from EccentricRichard so I might not be answering you question properly. Good luck.
@Thefamousbob If you're here, and you like what you hear, that makes you one of them.
It is simply from a solo project made by 1 of the 2 guitarists of the band Meshuggah
GENIUS!
@Listendudeok To me this sounds like it's loosely based on 4.15 Bradford Executive.
@mindsmirror Just because the main riff of some song segment is the same or similar to a riff from another song shouldn't imply that there's a thematic similarity. First of all, you're basing as assumption on an assumption on an assumption, that Tagatha song is actually giving credit to a hallucinated experience, that Sublevels is, and that there is neccessarily any correlation between the two other than riff. The conclusion is based on speculation.
I love this, and I don't mind that it's 99% copying Allan Holdsworth, not many could come even close.... I've seen them live... Allan Holsworth Band, Fredrik Thordendals Special Deffects and Morgan Ågren, different occations... Blows me away every time..
A higher dimension and a deeper language... of life...
@XTVille Yep, it's on the so-called "Version 3.33". Really a brilliant album...
Love this song!
The description is just hilarious :D
@DarkAssassin1323 I'm pretty sure Fredrik is playing everything in this track, but some of it is synth, and some is guitar. The intro line I think is indeed synth, but don't be surprised if all the solos are on guitar. He's pretty versatile in that regard. :)
This could be on the Duke Nukem soundtrack!
I stopped thinking...then vanished.