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- Blue Atlas Cedar make gorgeous bonsai...but they have one key trait that can make them problematic to work with: they lack an ability to reliably back bud on old growth. Thus to propagate high quality bonsai, operations such as approach grafts, air layers, or cuttings are needed. Eric shares the history of work he's done to establish a Blue Atlas Cedar bonsai, as well as attempts he's made with younger stock and even cuttings.
00:00:52 Eric begins by explaining the history of an established tree he began constructing in 2006. Over the years, the two successful approach grafts he applied have experienced very different levels of vigor, and the growth is uneven.
00:01:46 Eric makes a crazy !?! suggestion.
00:02:38 Rough plan to transition to rebuilding the crown using the second graft.
00:03:20 "Disconcerting" bend of branch.
00:03:51 Transition plans include removing the tree from its bonsai pot.
00:04:20 Eric shows another, younger tree that was successfully approach grafted onto a deodar (Himalayan) cedar base.
00:05:22 This tree also looks to have a successful air layer, seen in close-up.
00:06:30 Eric is excited that he has a proof of concept that air layering can work.
00:07:50 Propagation by cuttings is a third option (grafting and air layering being the first two). Eric reviews the results of a tray of cuttings, and shows the new growth and budding.
00:09:21 Back to the older bonsai - to get some tips running, Eric completes thinning and clean-up work.
If you want to learn more about the history of this tree, read this blog post, "Blue Atlas Cedar Saga": www.bonsaify.c.... What experiences have you had propagating this species? Have you had success grafting, air layering, or cutting? Let us know in the comments below! Thank you for watching; please like this video and subscribe to our channel.
I have a garden blue ceder and this spring I took off a cone with a view to getting some seed and found inside some of the seeds had sprouted,which is probably due to the very wet weather we have had this winter.Never seen this happen before and now have some growing !
In order to succeed in propagating cedars you need young branches, bottom heat and a cover of plastic to keep 100% humidity. It also help in using rooting hormones too, then the strength for woody cuttings. Otherwise you have to show a half a ton of seeds and choose from the resulting seedlings the bluest ones.
Thanks for the tips, It sounds like you've had some experience with it! I didn't use bottom heat this time, but I use an electronic leaf mister and rooting hormone in a greenhouse that's 55-85F (heated to maintain the minimum and auto-vented at the top end.) Once I have a better set of trees to use for the cuttings I'll be doing a larger batch!
I have been after one of these for a while,it is my all time favourite tree
This is surely one of the best bonsai channels I have ever watched.
Love what you are doing with this BAC. I have been working on one for a few years now.
I always wanted an Atlas Cedar as Bonsai, but the cuttings so far haven't been successful and seed cones are mostly so high I can't reach. I only have that one cedar in my nearby park, so I think airlayering would be difficult to do, but I hope I can find some viable seeds or one cuttung might works someday. Good video!
I ran across a guy on TH-cam, Nillies Bonsai, who has had some success air layering these. He said that from the time he did the air layering cut until he removed the layer was about 3 years. I think his success rate was about 50%. He uses the standard technique with sphagnum moss wrapped in plastic over the cut.
Nice color! I collected 5 seedlings (2 Years) from the local graveyard :) tried a forest creation :)
I love your tree so much! I am now looking at several of them at my local nurseries and trying to decide which one to buy
Great tips !
Such a great video...I really appreciate your long-view. Your explanation of what went well and not-so-well is really helpful!
Nice sharing videos 👍👍👍
Eric, thats a beautiful tree my man!! I love the look of blue atlas cedars!
Great video Eric!
I love the blue atlas. Are there future purchases on Bonsaify? I love seeing the white/blue color, looking like covered with snow . To me this is a real beauty👍
Good strategy in regards to regrowing the apex.
I bought recently a deodar cedar because i love cedars. I want to make it a bonsai but i am not confident that i will make it since i am not so experienced yet. However i will try and hopefully i will not kill the tree!
Extraordinaire.
Nice job Eric thanks keep up the good work mate thanks
Fab video 👍 I’ve admired ABC for a while and prefer to bring on my trees from seed/cuttings/air-layer. I shall give all three techniques a go.
Great video. You gave me some ideas on how to propagate junipers.
Nice bonsai
That's a gorgeous tree man as is
Thank you! I just got a Blue Atlas Cedar. The weeping ones are always around but the Horstmann variety seems to only show up in the nursery around the Holidays. I am anxious to work on the tree and the lowest branch is too think and needs removal. Your air layering gives me hope! I should wait until Spring to start an air layer?? I'm in So Cal...
Meraviglioso! Potresti fare un video sulla pizzicatura del cedro?
Grazie
Thanks so much - this is such valuable info!!
Interesting video missing cedar info for bonsai. I did some cuttings of green shoots of cedar in spring so far still green. I took just the terminal buds 2 inches and removed first needles and dug into the soil hormones as well.
Incredible looking tree!
Quite a nice specimen there ERIC. It looks like its been sleeping in the rampant Canadian snowfall?
I’ve wanted one for a few years now. I haven’t found one with a decent trunk, or a thin enough trunk to add movement too. I had no idea the could be air layered or grown from cuttings. I’m definitely buying the next one I find
They can't be air layered. 99% of all cedars you see for sale are grafted. Not sure why this guy is saying otherwise but I've had bonsai cedar for years and you only get seeds or grafted stock. Cuttings are also extremely difficult to root.
My cuttings are doing ok , pencil thick took during autumn and put inside a plastic greenhouse, not sure if they have rooted but the colour or texture is as vibrant as when I took them. Keep up the water!
@@danielfonseca5007 cedar cuttings take a minimum of 1 year to root. Just because they retain their color is a poor indication of health. Ive seen juniper cuttings look great for 6 months but rotten in the soil
I have had quite a bit of success with cuttings getting plenty of roots, they do take a long time to root properly though. 18 months to get quality roots.
Thanks
Atlas Cedars are very difficult imo. They really hate root work and repottings and if you overwater them they develop root rot issues. I still love them though.
If you over water a bonsai you're doing it wrong
Very beautiful your great, congrats 😢
Complimenti, bellissimo lavoro!
Una domanda: nella potatura che regole ci sono, per mantenere la forma? Grazie
You could send it to me then you wouldn't need to stress about it anymore! 😂😂
Perhaps I missed it.. but how long have you had the air layer on? Thinking about taking the big cuts to you tree is wild! I don’t think I would have the guts to do it. 😮
The layer was started last summer (so about 1 year.)
If you created a clump of those small cuttings, would that resolve the one root issue? Would it work? Just asking, have never done it but really curious about what to do next with my cuttings if they survive this winter and actually root. Great vids Eric, super informative as always.
I'm guessing no - I don't think this species would fuse well.
The way to resolve the 1 root issue is to work with the roots more over time. I haven't actually seen the roots, but once the trees get going you should be able to get good nebari going even starting with a cutting with just one root.
Is this a current video with work being done during the summer? Alot of people make bonsai videos but don't tell what season or month they're doing it in.
Lol. I debated adding the seasonal patch I created but elected not to. That's because the work shown - which isn't a lot, was done in summer. However the cuttings and air layers were started about 1 year ago, so.... Yes. Generally speaking, the original release date of our videos is the season in which they were created.
Really helpful video Eric. Can I ask what media you used when you potted up the cuttings please? Any success is better than none.
Perlite/coco.
Thanks for the help.
silly thought. How about reducing the back branch to slow it down and maybe the top might take off more. Seems a shame to cut off over 10 years of growth.
That's basically the strategy that I've been using for the past few years. Cut back the lower graft hard, thin it and leave the top one alone. But no dice. The shoots you see in the video are 1 year of growth on the bottom, while in 3 years the top has only grown 1" on a couple branches and less on most.
This tree is so beautiful.
Do you happen to know where to get your hands on one in europe? I live in Sweden specifically but there seem to be very few companies that want to ship to Sweden.
Sorry to say I have no idea. The genetics of atlas cedars are surprisingly diverse. You might try purchasing seed? Although TBH, I've been having problems with cedar seeds lately.
Hi Eric, thats really interesting having my self been doing allot of approach graft recently Im interested to see how they behave over time. you didn't mention it but are you planning to airlayer the top of the larger cedar? this might serve to reinvigorate it too... would be a nice shohin.
The layer is a possibility. At the moment I've put it at the farm in a large container (slip potted) so that it gains vigor. It's warmer and sunnier out there than at my house. Once it's growing a bit more quickly I' think I would have faster success with layering....or perhaps the problem will go away by itself. 🤞
@@Bonsaify yeah i don’t know what i was thinking there, it’s best to have a vigorous tree before you layer and if the vigour picks up you prob won’t want to. all the best with it. 🤞
Eric, were all your graft stock from the same genetic source? Could the more vigorous branch be from a different genetic strain and thus the different growth characteristics?
Good point, but no, I grafted the tree back onto itself to avoid such problems. In retrospect I would love to have had a stock of Blue Atlas Cedars I could use for approach grafts since that would have saved me two years of growing long branches to bend around for the grafts.
👍👌🙂
Hi Eric, I have a question is that a Horstmann Blue Atlas Cedar or other species?
I'm not sure. I obtained it from a private seller who was getting out of bonsai about 20 years ago. He didn't provide any info about the history of the tree.
@@Bonsaifyprobably a horstmann, pretty sure their needles are more silver
Hi, do you know how well the Cedar of Lebanon will airlayer?
Not sure, but not easily. You might get it to go using a strong hormone and hot weather.
Ciao, il Cedrus Atlante si può fare una margotta?
Ciao, Cedrus Atlante può essere stratificato - o almeno questo è quello che ho scoperto - hai visto la radice nella parte dello strato d'aria del video?
How do colorado blue spruce backbudd?
Hmm. I'm not an expert on those - but spruce generally backbud well - although they are slow. E.g. cut back one year, set buds later in the year, get weak interior growth in year two and so on.
Have you had any success with your blue cedar cuttings?