He is not a good guy lol, but he is certainly no worse than the other rich people who try to bring him down. He has the same dynamics as Trump where he is no worse than his peers, but he gets attacked because of crass public image.
Dana: it doesn't matter how many hands you play before you walk away. As long as you're playing blackjack in a casino and are not counting cards, the house has an edge.
@@strictlysport3624I've never seen a dealer weak enough to show their hole card. All the Vegas tables use the mirror for the hole card. But yes, you are correct. You have to at least play the Basic Strategy to have any chance unless you just get very lucky.
I like Dana on several levels. He couldn't be bought during Covid, he allows the people making him money to say what they want no matter who it's about and thus far he can't be bought. Not selling out and allowing those that work for him to speak their minds is what truly makes him a great man. I wish I could say the same out our government which is far more important but I can't. It's people like him and Rogan that help this country even if you don't always agree with them that's fine but at least you still have a voice and they respect your decisions and rights. I remember a time when this was common day and I miss those times. I feel sorry for the children and teenagers growing up in today's world that have always had the internet and have no idea what privacy is and that's hard to explain that to them when they've never had it to miss.
I've never understood the "leave right now" so you can be a winner... If you are just going to go back some day it's all a long game whether you play 1,000 hands in one day or spread over 10 years it's all the same..
It's been statistically proven that the longer you stay in a casino, the more likely you will lose everything, which is why some gamblers implement this rule. Win & Dip. Or just come back a few hours later. BUT the only way to win is by consciously walking away when you're ahead.
Dana is right ! The way the casino makes their money is by keeping you playing because of course you’re going to win hands and lose hands ! But they don’t want you to hit and run
I counted cards from 1962 to 1966 I went to Harrahs at lake tahoe. At that time they were playing single deck.. If I was being interviewed I would say the same thing as Dana... Beating blackjack is very hard to do.. At the time people were working for 2 dollars an hour. We would take about 10 000 and later 30 000. But the only way to win and there is no sure thing is to very your bets.. The Casinos will kick you out if you do this... What I mean is bet say one chip on a fresh shufful and if 4-5- and 6 count cards come out on the first say go arounds then increase your bet Also just play like there are 2 decks no matter how many. So there would be 72 little cards aces are little and 32 10 count cards divide 32 into 72 and it would be 2.2 and this number lowers to 2 or less you would incrrease your bets This may only happen once out of 3 or 5 schuffles.. If you ever saw 18 face cards and 26 little cards you would bet 10 chips and then pray you get a twenty
he doesn’t he just knows how to play correctly and has unlimited money. A couple days ago he was on adin ross stream gambling and went down 1 million but he has unlimited money so he played for like 5+ hours and than ended up leaving making like $50,000.
@@ice939 if you really are sitting here thinking hes not counting cards you are an idiot and you've never been around blackjack. I'm sitting here watching him bet 50 grand when the true count is only above +2 or +3, but he uses people like stevewilldoit and adin ross to lose their money so the casino doesn't kick him out for playing advantage. lol
@@ice939 First of all your wrong. He doesn't have unlimited money he has a credit line maximum of 1.5 at Red Rock and probably a million at bellagio because he just got allowed back in. If he is betting 75k a hand, if he loses 14 hands he is down and almost out of his bankroll. Mathmetically and statistically he is playing just like a regular person because his bet spread and bankroll are just like a guy with 500$ betting 5$ a hand. You just live in fantasy world lol.
He is NOT counting cards, he doesn't even play correct basic strategy from the videos that are out of him playing. He's a long term losing player. The reason some properties don't want him is because he wants to bet big enough that he can affect the casino's quarterly revenues.
I've seen one of Dana's strategies-he will bring his celebrity friends with him and bet when the count is good. Then when the count is bad he will sit out and let them finish out the shoe. These guys like the Nelk Boys or Adin Ross have no clue that Dana is doing this to them. The casino must see what he's doing but they seem to tolerate it since Dana will repay them by comping UFC VIP packages to their high rollers or bringing in high rollers to spend a bunch in the casino.
I've watched about 2 hours of Dana's playing and he doesn't play basic strategy. He plays with guts which is dangerous. The only thing that saves him is his unlimited marker he has. He keeps digging until he gets on a good run and comes out ahead. I will bet you that he doesn't show any of his losing sessions. He hates losing, so he's always chasing.
This guy just told it like it is that is exactly what Dana does that’s why he get band for counting card’s and his little flunkys are just glad to be there
Anyone who really knows gambling is laughing. Take his example and go the other way. Sometimes you sit down at a table and you lose 10 hands in a row. win 1 lose another 5 ext then your pissed off and chasing right off the bat. The strategy really only works if you win and never return otherwise you will inevitably lose eventually
@onehitko9810 I literally went to the casino to kill sometime. Started with $600.00 play for literally 10 mins won $725.00 cash out went and watch football until a had to go to work
Had something similar I spent no money new casino gives you 10 dollar credit as a new player turned that 10 into 300 was actually at 500 but the girlfriend lost an extra 200 on slots.
I won $35 on slots at my local casino in 10 mins .. I left .. my friends thought I was crazy ... I had a nice steak dinner that night ... they struggled to get themselves a coffee
Oh!!! Yes!!! I don't play house money, or any side bets, and sometimes surrender at the right moment. This is with Shuffler king 6. The moment I try to double my flatbet the dealer beats everytime. Big bettors already lost z8000 but I walk away z125 plus my z800 to z1400 after I've play so long.
There needs to be a class action lawsuit against the casinos. They welcome you to come on in & lose your money but if you're winning they want to ban you. How is that fair?
@Olly Gardner Well yeah duh. I know why they wouldn't want my business but it should be illegal to give people the hopes that they can win but if you do you'll usually get banned. That would be like selling lottery tickets but then you ban a guy that keeps winning. If it's legit there should be no reason to ban anyone. So if I lose every single hand that's perfectly fine but if I win every single hand that's bad? So if a basketball team wins 4 straight championships should they be banned from playing in their 5th season? Like these greedy casinos don't make enough. smh.
And the courts and the law favored the casinos in a suit against the player such as in the Phil Ivey case. But the arbitrary acts of casinos against their patrons are usually unchecked by the government.
@@vgardner1688 Actually that's a terrible analogy as the lottery take out a percentage before the prizepool is announced so they don't care who wins. The casinos profits purely come from people losing and not just participating.
I used to go to Las Vegas and turn $300 into $3000 playing blackjack every other week. Learned how to count and I memorized all of the betting charts from the book Beat the Dealer. Back then you had a lot of $2 and $3 minimum bet tables. That is what you needed for my kind of bankroll. The $5 Mins I could not win at for some reason. Now, if you can find a $10 minimum table you're in Heaven! But you need a much larger bankroll to win. You have to be willing to lose, have ice in your veins, and know how to count and bet multiple deck and shoe tables. Man, do I miss those days.
There is absolutely no substance in what Dana is saying . The thing is that he is playing against a house edge and over time he is 100% certain to lose .
"You win 500 -leave" The problem is next time you go, you lose 500. You don't go to a casino to play 1 hand. And most people don't have Dana White money. He does not win if he plays by their rules. Been playing for 40 years, he is a liar if he says he is ahead.
hahaha as though you have any clue whatsoever how he plays/what he wins, tell us about all those many hours you've never spent watching Dana play there cupcake.
Yup 😁 I found out the hard way, casinos don't like winners and if you have a very good record of taking money from a casino winning they will find ways to keep you out. and getting charged for trasspassing on their property is not worth it lots of casinos in Las Vegas to win money from and leave
I have won over 7.8 million dollars from casinos for other people like investors and family members over the course of my life. I have walked into casinos with as little as 5 grand and left up out of there with 500 grand. Anyone who wants in on my next round let me know, seeking 10,000$ for 10% of the winnings if any next time i go
The power to walk away when you win and leave. Thats how i used to play in HARRAHS properties. Two hands, Good Amount and I am out. Never chase the extra $10, 20, 1000 or 1000 if you're close to ROUND AMOUNT like 900 to 1000 or 9000 to 10000, just leave. Thats when you lose.
I have a co worker who walked into a casino with 500 bucks and left with 9k once. Sometimes he will be at the casino for 2 minutes, put all the 500 on one hand, loses, then leaves, but if he wins. Sometimes, he lets it ride. Sometimes he let it ride 3 times. So 500 turned into 1000..then 1000 turned into 2000, then 2000 turned into 5000 because he hit black Jack. Then he slowed down and varied his bets, a few hundred here, 1500 there and he left a winner. But he’s left plenty of times a loser,
He's probably a good player who is able to bet wildly without fear of losing. Fear is the biggest killer in 21. As long as you know the basic strategy and can minimize other players' stupid playing mistakes, you can win (as I'm sure you may know). I once saw a guy clean out 3 trays of chips at Buffalo Bill's, at the State Line in Vegas, while me and my buddy were counting cards at the same table. This dude was betting minimum $100 chips. We were winning but just small potatoes with minimum $20 bets. This guy would double down on his hands with 12 or higher several 16's, and win every time! And, with the dealer showing 10s!!! On one hand, he won $2k and started with only $100 bet! We could not figure out what his strategy was but he definitely had one. He sat at 3rd base, and he played mostly correct to the basic strategy. But when he dropped a $500 bet down, BOOM! He almost always won but not by gettjng 20s or Blackjacks. He's mostly managed to win. And after a while he was getting very upset at our astonishment to what he was doing by drawing attention to him. The pit boss rotated through 5 dealers and multiple packs of new cards. The dealers also had to get new trays of chips 3 times in less than a couple hours. To this day, we could never figure out what the hell kind of strategy he was using. But to us, it was like seeing a UFO with the Aliens up close and in our faces 👽. I was 27 at the time. I'm 57 now and it still pumps me up sharing that story. Hope it came across ok. If not, sorry for the long post.
This is good advice. I went to Vegas last weekend with my cousin and I played blackjack for 20 mins. Went from $100 to $800 and didn’t play anymore for the rest of the weekend. My cousin played all night long up until we flew out. He was down $800. lol
Wow that is so amazingly not even a litle interesting... not a soele cares taht you went ot Vegas this is not all about yuo nor is your story remotely interesting to anyone
I went to a canadian casino years ago, my friends wife drove us! It was the only time i was EVER winning!i was up about 5000$and i was killing it,my buddies wife wanted to leave! I was so mad! I felt like i was on a huge roll!but she probably saved me from losing it all back😂😂😂
Many years ago mr.Binion said if every gambler who is up 100.00 would cash out & leave he would be out of business. Either way Dana talks tough but the casinos will still take his big money.
@@TheFrenchPug Dana thinks he has a system lol - only I system & the casinos have it. Most casinos use continuous shufflers. Dana says he wins 2 hands at 75 k & stands up. What happens if he loses the first 2-3-4 hands ??? I wish him only good luck at the tables !!
@@davidpaul6615 Yeah. I thought he was just telling stories here. But yes, you should try to double your money then get up. But, you can go sit down later and try to double that original amount again. Thing with him is if he doubles his money, he's made more than I and my wife made in 1 year. I'd get up and leave too. But to him, that's like me winning $5k betting wildly off a $1500 bank roll.
He for sure counts cards. No casino is going to ban your action just by him leaving every time he gets up 150k. Just can’t figure out why the other casinos let him do it.
Yes they do believe it or not even if you’re not counting cards.. If you keep having good weeks with them and every stay is only 10mins and each time you’re up 100% or 200% your money you dip they’ll cut you off cause you’re not their type of customer anymore.
@@jeefjeeb7371 very interesting. I’m sure there’s sometimes where he would walk in and lose big right away and never able to make it back that night before walking out. If your playing without the advantage I always assumed they’d let you walk when your up because it only takes 1 time to lose 15 straight hands where you can’t make it back.
@@andrewmccrory7178 yea 1000% that happens but its the way that Dana plays that pissed them off .. He will wait and use every bit if advantage he can salvage to make sure he wins.. They don’t want a big baller customer like that.. They prefer the rich drunk ballers that just go to blow money and enjoy.. Dont forget Danas hands can get up to 300-500k .. Just imagine hitting 3-4 hands of that and dipping every time you hit them ..
Dana I don’t play to have fun I play to win as well but you have to understand something if your staying on 16 vs a ten and your winning who cares your winning if I can win on 6 and 16 I’m gonna win. I don’t care what happening if your dealer is constantly breaking let the man break. If he doesn’t break and he’s making hands then you gotta do the same. A win a win.
he will sit and wait a lot too. If he just saw a bunch of low cards dealt for a few hands he will jump in. To a casino that's like counting. And then he wins a big hand and stays out. Casinos don't like people who consistently win thousands and dont give it back.
We could all win at 21 if we could do that at a table with other players. Watching them sacrifice themselves for you to jump in when the cards get better.
Hes better to play baccarat better odds. The longer you stay the higher chance of loosing Hes right get in get out dont stay in casino and give it all back
I went in to a new casino started with there free 5 bucks on the slots turned 5 into 300 then took the 300 to the card table and left with 3k all in all I was there about 6-7 hours my girl was with me spent 700 and lost 700 all on slots.
I did that a couple times with my buddies. on the roulette wheel. Beat their asses. They changed the dealer 3 times and even had a casino security " associate " come down and shadow us. Until they realized we werent cheating just playing odds between 4 people. So we almosy always won. And lost. But we won more than we lost. Loaded up on free food ajd drinks too. Great times.
every degen gambler i know has the same foolproof way to "win" at the casino. it's this: remember the wins, forget the loses. they're all "lifetime, up" at the casino. how do casinos stay open, when they're losing so much money everyday to gamblers? it's a paradox
His strategy is simple and effective. Not replicable unless you are stacked. He’s probably a billionaire, sure he may lose 2, 5 even 15 hands. But even at 100k a hand he can outlast the casino until he is up a few hundred k.
Mathematically the probability of losing 10 hands in a row is 0.1%, that’s a million dollars lost. 1/1000th of his net worth. I’m sure he employs some sort of bankroll management strategy, but even with the basic martingale, he can break out of any losing streak 99.9% of the time with 1/10 of his net worth.
I constantly win 5 to six grand on 100-500 dollars all the time. I am willing to put a side bet I win more than Dana playing my way heads up against the casino. So now if you win 500 bucks on your 500 hundred you only won 5-10 hands more than the dealer I win 80 to 85 percent of my hands you lose to hands in a row you go to 3 hands till you lose mix it up go from 1 hand to 2. Back to one if your playing heads up you have to win 90 percent of your hands to make money back and fourth in the long run your gonna lose money. Dont get greedy that favors the house. If you win three hands in a row and you get a double down hand don’t double your gonna lose that’s how the house makes back it’s money. Just like if you win a double down and you have another double down don’t do it the house wants you to go 50% win instead of 75-100% win. So if you look at the first double down and you have bad cards you have to double down again. It’s like splitting aces most the time it’s a wash a 21 with a shit card on the other one why not keep them together and make 1 solid hand you went from a 50% winner to 100 percent.
Very, very interesting strategy! I will have to try it next time. So, are you still card counting or just using basic strategy rules on hitting and what not? I've never heard of this philosophy. Edit: I will try this out on my Game King I have at home. It's much harder to beat, but it's beatable. However, it takes forever to get your winnings going positive.
@@TheFrenchPug let me know I’m very successful with it. I adjust my game to how the games flowing if the dealers busting i let him I don’t hit anything above 11. If I’m having to work for it it’s more by the book
I can tell you from living in a casino that you'll definitely get banned playing like that no matter the stakes. Casinos don't fret on you winning in so much as the hit and run mentality that Dana does.
The average jabroni: Plays to "have fun", and until they lose their money Dana White: Play until I've doubled my money. As soon as that happens, bounce!
Exactly right. Doing exactly what White said, I win 75% of the time. I was on a 1st date once and said to the girl. Wanna see how to never pay for lunch or gas ever again? We went in with $300 and walked out with $600. Total time in casino MAYBE 15 minutes. I said, I do this every week. Shoulda saw the look on her face 😂
He is either just gloating about the wins he has taken and doesn’t want to discuss the losses or he is counting. You can’t go south in blackjack. The variance will always catch up to you if you keep playing bc you have a negative edge even if you play perfect basic strategy. If his strategy is just walking away when he’s up, he will lose over time if he keeps playing. After a certain number of hands, there will be a slice of his bankroll that will never come back to him through variance. That’s how a house edge works.
the difference between Dana and most other players is just the bankroll. His bankroll is large enough to withstand the losses and turn the momentum around, as opposed to an average Joe who has a limited bankroll and once they used all that up, that's the end of their run . Also from the way he talks, it seems he understands when to walk away.
I have never seen Dana in any of the casino's. He probably got sick of everyone asking him where they could find all his rules for his sport. Just in case someone wanted to try it or even know what's going on.
I cracked vegas for over 150gs in blackjack from a 500 dollar bankroll, dumped it into the stock market, atarted a tech company and an amazon store. Vegas wants me back bad but vegas is trash city. Macau baby boy
First of all, it can't be done. Don't even start. Other than card counters. He's not doing that and to think that's even a possibility is insane. All it takes for guys like this to get wiped out to the point where they never play again is to lose 17 straight hands. It might take a long time for that to happen, but it will eventually happen and when it does, they're done. Anyone can do what he's doing if they can go deep enough. He definitely can. What he's doing might be more savvy than just sitting there and playing forever, betting more or less the same amount. But thinking playing hit n' run tactics at a BJ table or martingaling is gonna work long-term is nutso. Dana is smart though and won't let himself get hurt.
Dana Playing a different game here he prob has a million on marker and trying to take 150k much easier to do then you trying to win 10x on 1k now if you set you goal at 150 profit on that 1k you could prob bounce casino to casino doing this all day just playing 100 a hand..
He's right Iam watching guys betting Z1000 On a z50 b/j table, winning z8000 but looses it all with their z60000 bankroll and all. They bet 7 boxes with side bets. Telling me to play that way. I'll have more chance???? Casino will give me z250 and speedily try to take it back. I'll stop with my bankroll of z8000 plus z275.
That’s not that much money that’s only 8 hands at 5,000 a hand. I won 6 grand in ten minutes a few months ago on a 125 dollar bet. 50 dollars on my hand 75 on the win 5 in a row which payed 35 to1 and I hit it twice 2,625 each time. 10 hands no loses if I was betting 2,500 a hand and had 2,500 on the progressive I would have won 200,000 in ten minutes. It would have been like five minutes.
He is actually pretty bad at blackjack. The reason he isn't wanted at some casinos is because he is willing to play so high that he can affect their quarterly numbers if he wins. The bigger properties like MGM and Caesars should welcome him.
Just another post completely disregarding the fact that gambling is entertainment. If I wish to stand on 16 with dealer 10 while having a laugh with my buddies not really knowing what I’m doing. Awesome 😎
Went into Cherokee Harrah's today with 300 left out with 475 extra and the dealer asked me why are you leaving b**** I just doubled my money f*** are you talking about😅😅😅😅
Here's my semi professional take. Just left BlackHawk Colorado in a Indian reservation casino in Arizona now and heading to Vegas today. I likely log more hours than Dana. He made a comment in this video not hitting your 16 against a showing 10. Recently on this subject a guy said to me, obviously someone I'm watching hit his 15 amd 16 steady and busting out constantly and was losing. He says we'll it's 1 of every 3 hands he has a 10 showing that he has a 10 below. And I said what about the other 2 of 3 times it isn't. Silence. That's just it, how many times are you dealt a 10 on the first card and as you eagerly await and hope a second 10 and a nearly made hand , how many times does it not arrive a second 10. Often. Much more often than a made 10/10 hand. That is exactly the mythical book and way the casino wants you to play and way many many sheep play. If you're playing the way the casino wants you to play you're losing! #1 rule for me in blackjack don't do the houses job and bust yourself out. Before the casino has ever turned over their hand and or made a winning hand you've already eliminated yourself and busted yourself out. The house did their job because you did it for them by busting yourself out. Can you win with a 23 hitting that 16. No but I sure can win with my 14 or 15 and watch the dealer bust out. Second rule don't invest more in a bad hand. What's a bad hand AA against a 10 3/3 another bad hand...just play it out instead chasing a split hope and prayer. Watch the cards if you're playing last seat and the 2 players before you just pulled a 10 and then another there is a better percentage in your favor that the next card is not a third consecutive face card so I'd feel a likely more good about hitting a 14 or 15. Lastly if you are hitting a 16 what is your landing runway. A 2 improves your hand very little. A 3 marginly better to 19. So really your true runway to land that hit on 16 is a 5, 4 , 3 and not very valuable 2.....your landing zone to bust is much greater 6, 7, 8 ,9 and all those 10s. That is frankly elementary logic from a gambler and those that think hit 16 is frankly just a sucker playing to the house.
No, I seen u playing and u don't leave 😂😂. U have a gambling ADDICTION but u have deep pockets so soon or later your deep pockets will empty in one way or another 😂😂😂. Until that good luck let's see how is the history play out for you 😂😂😂
Dana white acting like hes good at blackjack is like someone acting like they’re good at predicting coin flips. It is literally impossible to win long term at blackjack unless you’re counting cards
There is no winning strategy when you play against the house lol. Dana also doesn't win. You can't count cards so there's no way to win. Winning short term and over several sessions doesn't matter to the casino. There will always be a winner for another 99 losers. The house wins. His hit and run strategy also doesn't matter in the long run, which is what the casino is there for, the long run.
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Still waiting for the part where he divulges his strategy.
He only bets a few hands and then leaves!
he just counts cards man. it's pretty simple, but if you tried it you'd get kicked out. because he's dana white they don't kick him out.
The strategy is basic strategy and card counting 100% legal Google it a learn it. It's simple just play the game the odds are literally almost 50/50
He’s lying
@@Cani6al if you’re implying hes counting cards, it’s literally impossible to count cards off of just two hands.
Say what you want about Dana he's a money maker and I still think he's a good guy.......
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He is not a good guy lol, but he is certainly no worse than the other rich people who try to bring him down. He has the same dynamics as Trump where he is no worse than his peers, but he gets attacked because of crass public image.
He's a wanker
Dana: it doesn't matter how many hands you play before you walk away. As long as you're playing blackjack in a casino and are not counting cards, the house has an edge.
Unless it's a weak dealer exposing their hole cards it's much much better than counting. Player would have an edge of about 10%
@@strictlysport3624I've never seen a dealer weak enough to show their hole card. All the Vegas tables use the mirror for the hole card. But yes, you are correct. You have to at least play the Basic Strategy to have any chance unless you just get very lucky.
I like Dana on several levels. He couldn't be bought during Covid, he allows the people making him money to say what they want no matter who it's about and thus far he can't be bought. Not selling out and allowing those that work for him to speak their minds is what truly makes him a great man. I wish I could say the same out our government which is far more important but I can't. It's people like him and Rogan that help this country even if you don't always agree with them that's fine but at least you still have a voice and they respect your decisions and rights. I remember a time when this was common day and I miss those times. I feel sorry for the children and teenagers growing up in today's world that have always had the internet and have no idea what privacy is and that's hard to explain that to them when they've never had it to miss.
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I'm there with you. Miss those days badly. Today, the kids only know the words "Fact Check" or "Link?" now.
Hs the epitome of a sellout. WTF are you talking about?
Another guy that never losses..right..
I've never understood the "leave right now" so you can be a winner... If you are just going to go back some day it's all a long game whether you play 1,000 hands in one day or spread over 10 years it's all the same..
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Instead of using everything you won the same night take it home think it through go back and give it a go starting small again if you win again leave
It's been statistically proven that the longer you stay in a casino, the more likely you will lose everything, which is why some gamblers implement this rule. Win & Dip. Or just come back a few hours later. BUT the only way to win is by consciously walking away when you're ahead.
@@ramsesp5009 The only way to win is never go in the first place.
@@scubaseppy that’s how you don’t lose
Dana is right ! The way the casino makes their money is by keeping you playing because of course you’re going to win hands and lose hands ! But they don’t want you to hit and run
HE IS NOT RIGHT
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I counted cards from 1962 to 1966 I went to Harrahs at lake tahoe. At that time they were playing single deck.. If I was being interviewed I would say the same thing as Dana... Beating blackjack is very hard to do.. At the time people were working for 2 dollars an hour. We would take about 10 000 and later 30 000. But the only way to win and there is no sure thing is to very your bets.. The Casinos will kick you out if you do this... What I mean is bet say one chip on a fresh shufful and if 4-5- and 6 count cards come out on the first say go arounds then increase your bet Also just play like there are 2 decks no matter how many. So there would be 72 little cards aces are little and 32 10 count cards divide 32 into 72 and it would be 2.2 and this number lowers to 2 or less you would incrrease your bets This may only happen once out of 3 or 5 schuffles.. If you ever saw 18 face cards and 26 little cards you would bet 10 chips and then pray you get a twenty
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Guys hes counting cards, thats the strategy. No other strategy gives you a winning record over a long period.
he doesn’t he just knows how to play correctly and has unlimited money. A couple days ago he was on adin ross stream gambling and went down 1 million but he has unlimited money so he played for like 5+ hours and than ended up leaving making like $50,000.
@@ice939 if you really are sitting here thinking hes not counting cards you are an idiot and you've never been around blackjack. I'm sitting here watching him bet 50 grand when the true count is only above +2 or +3, but he uses people like stevewilldoit and adin ross to lose their money so the casino doesn't kick him out for playing advantage. lol
@@ice939 First of all your wrong. He doesn't have unlimited money he has a credit line maximum of 1.5 at Red Rock and probably a million at bellagio because he just got allowed back in. If he is betting 75k a hand, if he loses 14 hands he is down and almost out of his bankroll. Mathmetically and statistically he is playing just like a regular person because his bet spread and bankroll are just like a guy with 500$ betting 5$ a hand. You just live in fantasy world lol.
I don’t think he bothers counting. I think he’s just playing basic strategy.
He is NOT counting cards, he doesn't even play correct basic strategy from the videos that are out of him playing. He's a long term losing player. The reason some properties don't want him is because he wants to bet big enough that he can affect the casino's quarterly revenues.
I've seen one of Dana's strategies-he will bring his celebrity friends with him and bet when the count is good. Then when the count is bad he will sit out and let them finish out the shoe. These guys like the Nelk Boys or Adin Ross have no clue that Dana is doing this to them. The casino must see what he's doing but they seem to tolerate it since Dana will repay them by comping UFC VIP packages to their high rollers or bringing in high rollers to spend a bunch in the casino.
No Dana doesn't count. He just has unlimited money and can play until he wins it all back. That's his strategy
Yeah don’t give him credit for counting, if you watched the same video you should know he’s a basic losing gambler that flaunts his momentary wins.
I've watched about 2 hours of Dana's playing and he doesn't play basic strategy. He plays with guts which is dangerous. The only thing that saves him is his unlimited marker he has. He keeps digging until he gets on a good run and comes out ahead. I will bet you that he doesn't show any of his losing sessions. He hates losing, so he's always chasing.
This guy just told it like it is that is exactly what Dana does that’s why he get band for counting card’s and his little flunkys are just glad to be there
Dana isn't counting, and doesn't even play correct basic strategy.
Real baller man. Must be some life for these high rollers. The billionaires are scary
Depends on what kind of billionaire your talkin about. Self made, terrifying. Born with a silver spoon, wanker.
Anyone who really knows gambling is laughing. Take his example and go the other way. Sometimes you sit down at a table and you lose 10 hands in a row. win 1 lose another 5 ext then your pissed off and chasing right off the bat. The strategy really only works if you win and never return otherwise you will inevitably lose eventually
Facts!!!! Leaving is the hardest part
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Yes that’s what Dana is saying if you win just leave ! I always win on the beginning but leaving is the hard part
@@joshJ. I win one hand then leave 😂
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT ADVICE THANK YOU DANA WHITE
play to win and leave whether its 3 mins or 3 hrs.
@onehitko9810 I literally went to the casino to kill sometime. Started with $600.00 play for literally 10 mins won $725.00 cash out went and watch football until a had to go to work
exactly how I play in vegas.. 01:40 ive left with more money than i came with the last 6 trips to vegas and EXACTLY at 03:08
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I turned 40 bucks into 525 today within half an hour at slots, I thought of this as I cashed it out.
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I thought about the hooker I was going to get and where I was going to hide my watch. Answer toilet tank of 2nd bathroom.
Had something similar I spent no money new casino gives you 10 dollar credit as a new player turned that 10 into 300 was actually at 500 but the girlfriend lost an extra 200 on slots.
I won $35 on slots at my local casino in 10 mins .. I left .. my friends thought I was crazy ... I had a nice steak dinner that night ... they struggled to get themselves a coffee
Yeah the steak wasn’t that great for $35 🥹
A 35 dollar steak can't imagine that it was very good lol. If you went in to win 35 bucks and leave you obviously should t be at a casino lol.
@@Oppinnindi i was better than digging for change to get a coffee like my friends have to do
@@Oppinnindi not sure what part of the world you live in .. but I've never paid more than $35 for a steak
Oh!!! Yes!!! I don't play house money, or any side bets, and sometimes surrender at the right moment. This is with Shuffler king 6. The moment I try to double my flatbet the dealer beats everytime. Big bettors already lost z8000 but I walk away z125 plus my z800 to z1400 after I've play so long.
There needs to be a class action lawsuit against the casinos. They welcome you to come on in & lose your money but if you're winning they want to ban you. How is that fair?
Because they're a business, there to make money.
If you owned the casino, and someone was consistently beating you, why would you want their action?
@Olly Gardner Well yeah duh. I know why they wouldn't want my business but it should be illegal to give people the hopes that they can win but if you do you'll usually get banned. That would be like selling lottery tickets but then you ban a guy that keeps winning. If it's legit there should be no reason to ban anyone. So if I lose every single hand that's perfectly fine but if I win every single hand that's bad? So if a basketball team wins 4 straight championships should they be banned from playing in their 5th season? Like these greedy casinos don't make enough. smh.
And the courts and the law favored the casinos in a suit against the player such as in the Phil Ivey case. But the arbitrary acts of casinos against their patrons are usually unchecked by the government.
@@vgardner1688 Actually that's a terrible analogy as the lottery take out a percentage before the prizepool is announced so they don't care who wins.
The casinos profits purely come from people losing and not just participating.
@Olly Gardner OK, obviously you don't understand so just move on. 🙄
I work in casino industry, that’s why they comp ppl who bet $10 per hand but played 6-7hrs better then ppl who loses 1-3k in few hands 😂
I used to go to Las Vegas and turn $300 into $3000 playing blackjack every other week. Learned how to count and I memorized all of the betting charts from the book Beat the Dealer. Back then you had a lot of $2 and $3 minimum bet tables. That is what you needed for my kind of bankroll. The $5 Mins I could not win at for some reason. Now, if you can find a $10 minimum table you're in Heaven! But you need a much larger bankroll to win. You have to be willing to lose, have ice in your veins, and know how to count and bet multiple deck and shoe tables. Man, do I miss those days.
There is absolutely no substance in what Dana is saying . The thing is that he is playing against a house edge and over time he is 100% certain to lose .
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"You win 500 -leave" The problem is next time you go, you lose 500. You don't go to a casino to play 1 hand. And most people don't have Dana White money. He does not win if he plays by their rules. Been playing for 40 years, he is a liar if he says he is ahead.
100% Cards don’t know it is another day. Long-term odds are still the same.
He lies about EVERYTHING!
Dana is a straight up boss.
Hit and run is a good strategy.
that's exactly how I play, except it's go in with $500 and leave when I hit $750...
danas a very good player. not the best. but probably abuses the spread. has the deepest pockets. and very calm at winning.!❤🏆⭐️
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hahaha as though you have any clue whatsoever how he plays/what he wins, tell us about all those many hours you've never spent watching Dana play there cupcake.
Same for slots and all casino games really. Take the money and run.
The key words are only take what you can afford to lose
Dana white doing flyod mayweather boxing style in Casino
Yup 😁 I found out the hard way, casinos don't like winners and if you have a very good record of taking money from a casino winning they will find ways to keep you out. and getting charged for trasspassing on their property is not worth it lots of casinos in Las Vegas to win money from and leave
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which is worse native or vegas casinos?
It used to be native. Until Vegas tightened up all the rules to max advantage themselves.
I turned 50 into a fire jackpot in PI
I have won over 7.8 million dollars from casinos for other people like investors and family members over the course of my life. I have walked into casinos with as little as 5 grand and left up out of there with 500 grand. Anyone who wants in on my next round let me know, seeking 10,000$ for 10% of the winnings if any next time i go
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Was confused how coming in with 500 and leaving with 500 was double your money. Gotta hit it twice.
The best way to make a small fortune in the casino is to start with a large one
Hahahaha....that's a good one.
Noooo!!! Never take large amounts to any casino, just allow them to take it away.
The power to walk away when you win and leave. Thats how i used to play in HARRAHS properties. Two hands, Good Amount and I am out. Never chase the extra $10, 20, 1000 or 1000 if you're close to ROUND AMOUNT like 900 to 1000 or 9000 to 10000, just leave. Thats when you lose.
Yeah. Because in Blackjack, you have to be willing to go negative to win due to how the cards cycle.
I have a co worker who walked into a casino with 500 bucks and left with 9k once. Sometimes he will be at the casino for 2 minutes, put all the 500 on one hand, loses, then leaves, but if he wins. Sometimes, he lets it ride. Sometimes he let it ride 3 times. So 500 turned into 1000..then 1000 turned into 2000, then 2000 turned into 5000 because he hit black Jack. Then he slowed down and varied his bets, a few hundred here, 1500 there and he left a winner. But he’s left plenty of times a loser,
Wow that is so not even a little interesting
Dana White is the coolest guy
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Does he count cards?
He's probably a good player who is able to bet wildly without fear of losing. Fear is the biggest killer in 21. As long as you know the basic strategy and can minimize other players' stupid playing mistakes, you can win (as I'm sure you may know).
I once saw a guy clean out 3 trays of chips at Buffalo Bill's, at the State Line in Vegas, while me and my buddy were counting cards at the same table. This dude was betting minimum $100 chips. We were winning but just small potatoes with minimum $20 bets. This guy would double down on his hands with 12 or higher several 16's, and win every time! And, with the dealer showing 10s!!! On one hand, he won $2k and started with only $100 bet! We could not figure out what his strategy was but he definitely had one. He sat at 3rd base, and he played mostly correct to the basic strategy. But when he dropped a $500 bet down, BOOM! He almost always won but not by gettjng 20s or Blackjacks. He's mostly managed to win. And after a while he was getting very upset at our astonishment to what he was doing by drawing attention to him. The pit boss rotated through 5 dealers and multiple packs of new cards. The dealers also had to get new trays of chips 3 times in less than a couple hours. To this day, we could never figure out what the hell kind of strategy he was using. But to us, it was like seeing a UFO with the Aliens up close and in our faces 👽. I was 27 at the time. I'm 57 now and it still pumps me up sharing that story. Hope it came across ok. If not, sorry for the long post.
When you're worth $500 million why would you bother gambling if its purely for the money? A $150,000 win is 0.03% of his net worth.
This is good advice. I went to Vegas last weekend with my cousin and I played blackjack for 20 mins. Went from $100 to $800 and didn’t play anymore for the rest of the weekend. My cousin played all night long up until we flew out. He was down $800. lol
Wow that is so amazingly not even a litle interesting... not a soele cares taht you went ot Vegas this is not all about yuo nor is your story remotely interesting to anyone
A lot of people need a wing man to keep them honest. Otherwise they get caught up and let it ride, and blow it. AND don't drink until after you play.
dana is going to own one the casino don’t worry it’s going to happen good like from 82 years young good luck Dana
I went to a canadian casino years ago, my friends wife drove us! It was the only time i was EVER winning!i was up about 5000$and i was killing it,my buddies wife wanted to leave! I was so mad! I felt like i was on a huge roll!but she probably saved me from losing it all back😂😂😂
Wow you go there and play to win. Amazing advice
Many years ago mr.Binion said if every gambler who is up 100.00 would cash out & leave he would be out of business.
Either way Dana talks tough but the casinos will still take his big money.
He's probably into them for millions, but when he makes a huge bet and wins, he calls that kicking the shit out of them.
@@TheFrenchPug Dana thinks he has a system lol - only I system & the casinos have it. Most casinos use continuous shufflers.
Dana says he wins 2 hands at 75 k & stands up. What happens if he loses the first 2-3-4 hands ??? I wish him only good luck at the tables !!
@@davidpaul6615 Yeah. I thought he was just telling stories here. But yes, you should try to double your money then get up. But, you can go sit down later and try to double that original amount again. Thing with him is if he doubles his money, he's made more than I and my wife made in 1 year. I'd get up and leave too. But to him, that's like me winning $5k betting wildly off a $1500 bank roll.
I liked his attitude man wow that’s the way should b
He for sure counts cards. No casino is going to ban your action just by him leaving every time he gets up 150k. Just can’t figure out why the other casinos let him do it.
Yes they do believe it or not even if you’re not counting cards.. If you keep having good weeks with them and every stay is only 10mins and each time you’re up 100% or 200% your money you dip they’ll cut you off cause you’re not their type of customer anymore.
@@jeefjeeb7371 very interesting. I’m sure there’s sometimes where he would walk in and lose big right away and never able to make it back that night before walking out. If your playing without the advantage I always assumed they’d let you walk when your up because it only takes 1 time to lose 15 straight hands where you can’t make it back.
@@andrewmccrory7178 yea 1000% that happens but its the way that Dana plays that pissed them off .. He will wait and use every bit if advantage he can salvage to make sure he wins..
They don’t want a big baller customer like that..
They prefer the rich drunk ballers that just go to blow money and enjoy..
Dont forget Danas hands can get up to 300-500k .. Just imagine hitting 3-4 hands of that and dipping every time you hit them ..
Only a select few and one of them the redrock casino is owned by the same owner as UFC.
Dana I don’t play to have fun I play to win as well but you have to understand something if your staying on 16 vs a ten and your winning who cares your winning if I can win on 6 and 16 I’m gonna win. I don’t care what happening if your dealer is constantly breaking let the man break. If he doesn’t break and he’s making hands then you gotta do the same. A win a win.
I’m taking his advice I’m gonna go to the eqc and win and just walk right out
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Wish there wasnt music so I could focus on him speaking
Don't stand on 16, when dealer shows a ten. An 80% win for the house
Where do you get that information from?
he will sit and wait a lot too. If he just saw a bunch of low cards dealt for a few hands he will jump in. To a casino that's like counting. And then he wins a big hand and stays out. Casinos don't like people who consistently win thousands and dont give it back.
We could all win at 21 if we could do that at a table with other players. Watching them sacrifice themselves for you to jump in when the cards get better.
Hes better to play baccarat better odds. The longer you stay the higher chance of loosing Hes right get in get out dont stay in casino and give it all back
That would take some brain power but you're right.
Steave will do it needs to listen to this and take some note’s
I went in to a new casino started with there free 5 bucks on the slots turned 5 into 300 then took the 300 to the card table and left with 3k all in all I was there about 6-7 hours my girl was with me spent 700 and lost 700 all on slots.
Man, that's what you call a great day!
Double your money and call it good.. got it
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I did that a couple times with my buddies. on the roulette wheel. Beat their asses. They changed the dealer 3 times and even had a casino security " associate " come down and shadow us. Until they realized we werent cheating just playing odds between 4 people. So we almosy always won. And lost. But we won more than we lost. Loaded up on free food ajd drinks too. Great times.
So where was the part about getting kicked out casinos again?
Actually statistically hitting 16 against tens is zero advantage
how about surrender?
every degen gambler i know has the same foolproof way to "win" at the casino. it's this: remember the wins, forget the loses. they're all "lifetime, up" at the casino. how do casinos stay open, when they're losing so much money everyday to gamblers? it's a paradox
His strategy is simple and effective. Not replicable unless you are stacked. He’s probably a billionaire, sure he may lose 2, 5 even 15 hands. But even at 100k a hand he can outlast the casino until he is up a few hundred k.
Mathematically the probability of losing 10 hands in a row is 0.1%, that’s a million dollars lost. 1/1000th of his net worth. I’m sure he employs some sort of bankroll management strategy, but even with the basic martingale, he can break out of any losing streak 99.9% of the time with 1/10 of his net worth.
Yes you are right.
Dana just loves money. Period.
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I constantly win 5 to six grand on 100-500 dollars all the time. I am willing to put a side bet I win more than Dana playing my way heads up against the casino. So now if you win 500 bucks on your 500 hundred you only won 5-10 hands more than the dealer I win 80 to 85 percent of my hands you lose to hands in a row you go to 3 hands till you lose mix it up go from 1 hand to 2. Back to one if your playing heads up you have to win 90 percent of your hands to make money back and fourth in the long run your gonna lose money. Dont get greedy that favors the house. If you win three hands in a row and you get a double down hand don’t double your gonna lose that’s how the house makes back it’s money. Just like if you win a double down and you have another double down don’t do it the house wants you to go 50% win instead of 75-100% win. So if you look at the first double down and you have bad cards you have to double down again. It’s like splitting aces most the time it’s a wash a 21 with a shit card on the other one why not keep them together and make 1 solid hand you went from a 50% winner to 100 percent.
Very, very interesting strategy! I will have to try it next time. So, are you still card counting or just using basic strategy rules on hitting and what not? I've never heard of this philosophy.
Edit: I will try this out on my Game King I have at home. It's much harder to beat, but it's beatable. However, it takes forever to get your winnings going positive.
@@TheFrenchPug let me know I’m very successful with it. I adjust my game to how the games flowing if the dealers busting i let him I don’t hit anything above 11. If I’m having to work for it it’s more by the book
I can tell you from living in a casino that you'll definitely get banned playing like that no matter the stakes. Casinos don't fret on you winning in so much as the hit and run mentality that Dana does.
how do you live in a casino? which state? how much is rent?
@@alexmarlow2508 I would get my rooms comped for free based on my play.
I turned $100 bucks into $2600 in 4hrs
Nice job! It certainly is possible. You put in some work for that.
The average jabroni: Plays to "have fun", and until they lose their money
Dana White: Play until I've doubled my money. As soon as that happens, bounce!
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Are you a philly native or did you get "jabroni" from Always Sunny?
He's always playing with the casino money,the 1st thing he does is get a $30,000 -50,000 markers,play till he wins or loses millions!❤❤
Exactly right. Doing exactly what White said, I win 75% of the time. I was on a 1st date once and said to the girl. Wanna see how to never pay for lunch or gas ever again? We went in with $300 and walked out with $600. Total time in casino MAYBE 15 minutes. I said, I do this every week. Shoulda saw the look on her face 😂
Dana wins 75% of the time but his 25% losses are 10 times higher than his wins
no you don't win 75% of the time you are absolutely 100% lying.
He is either just gloating about the wins he has taken and doesn’t want to discuss the losses or he is counting. You can’t go south in blackjack. The variance will always catch up to you if you keep playing bc you have a negative edge even if you play perfect basic strategy. If his strategy is just walking away when he’s up, he will lose over time if he keeps playing. After a certain number of hands, there will be a slice of his bankroll that will never come back to him through variance. That’s how a house edge works.
the difference between Dana and most other players is just the bankroll. His bankroll is large enough to withstand the losses and turn the momentum around, as opposed to an average Joe who has a limited bankroll and once they used all that up, that's the end of their run . Also from the way he talks, it seems he understands when to walk away.
I have never seen Dana in any of the casino's. He probably got sick of everyone asking him where they could find all his rules for his sport. Just in case someone wanted to try it or even know what's going on.
I cracked vegas for over 150gs in blackjack from a 500 dollar bankroll, dumped it into the stock market, atarted a tech company and an amazon store. Vegas wants me back bad but vegas is trash city. Macau baby boy
Get um Dana Straight Savage!!!
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Does he Martingale? Because he doesn't count. He knows perfect basic strategy though.
That's basically it. No casinos are barring him they just don't offer him credit. He plays like meathead increasing his bet until he's up.
Wish he would have said how much he needs to lose to walk away?
$500k probably.
Dana is light years from being a profitable BJ player lol
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Double up is the game...that's how geniuses do it.
Statistically, hitting 16 against a 10 in any +plus count is a disadvantage. Just sayn.
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Underpaying fighters is how he has the privilege to gamble like that. Why not pay Jon Jones what he deserves
Jon Jones has been payed plenty. Especially after the things he has done
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Whatever someone decides to fight for is the proper amount of money, by definition. Literally.
First of all, it can't be done. Don't even start. Other than card counters. He's not doing that and to think that's even a possibility is insane. All it takes for guys like this to get wiped out to the point where they never play again is to lose 17 straight hands. It might take a long time for that to happen, but it will eventually happen and when it does, they're done. Anyone can do what he's doing if they can go deep enough. He definitely can. What he's doing might be more savvy than just sitting there and playing forever, betting more or less the same amount. But thinking playing hit n' run tactics at a BJ table or martingaling is gonna work long-term is nutso. Dana is smart though and won't let himself get hurt.
Dana Playing a different game here he prob has a million on marker and trying to take 150k much easier to do then you trying to win 10x on 1k now if you set you goal at 150 profit on that 1k you could prob bounce casino to casino doing this all day just playing 100 a hand..
He's right Iam watching guys betting Z1000 On a z50 b/j table, winning z8000 but looses it all with their z60000 bankroll and all. They bet 7 boxes with side bets. Telling me to play that way. I'll have more chance???? Casino will give me z250 and speedily try to take it back. I'll stop with my bankroll of z8000 plus z275.
5 hands, and win two of those 5 hands and be uP AND YOU LEAVE.
That’s not that much money that’s only 8 hands at 5,000 a hand. I won 6 grand in ten minutes a few months ago on a 125 dollar bet. 50 dollars on my hand 75 on the win 5 in a row which payed 35 to1 and I hit it twice 2,625 each time. 10 hands no loses if I was betting 2,500 a hand and had 2,500 on the progressive I would have won 200,000 in ten minutes. It would have been like five minutes.
You sound like you have some serious cash to play with.
He is actually pretty bad at blackjack. The reason he isn't wanted at some casinos is because he is willing to play so high that he can affect their quarterly numbers if he wins. The bigger properties like MGM and Caesars should welcome him.
Unreal
It's not a mystery, gambling conforms to statistics on gambling. This "I play to win" talk is bullshit.
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Gambling is simple craps black jack baccarat are the best odds(don't play slots) quit when ahead common sense
Just another post completely disregarding the fact that gambling is entertainment. If I wish to stand on 16 with dealer 10 while having a laugh with my buddies not really knowing what I’m doing. Awesome 😎
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Went into Cherokee Harrah's today with 300 left out with 475 extra and the dealer asked me why are you leaving b**** I just doubled my money f*** are you talking about😅😅😅😅
Here's my semi professional take. Just left BlackHawk Colorado in a Indian reservation casino in Arizona now and heading to Vegas today. I likely log more hours than Dana. He made a comment in this video not hitting your 16 against a showing 10. Recently on this subject a guy said to me, obviously someone I'm watching hit his 15 amd 16 steady and busting out constantly and was losing. He says we'll it's 1 of every 3 hands he has a 10 showing that he has a 10 below. And I said what about the other 2 of 3 times it isn't. Silence. That's just it, how many times are you dealt a 10 on the first card and as you eagerly await and hope a second 10 and a nearly made hand , how many times does it not arrive a second 10. Often. Much more often than a made 10/10 hand. That is exactly the mythical book and way the casino wants you to play and way many many sheep play. If you're playing the way the casino wants you to play you're losing! #1 rule for me in blackjack don't do the houses job and bust yourself out. Before the casino has ever turned over their hand and or made a winning hand you've already eliminated yourself and busted yourself out. The house did their job because you did it for them by busting yourself out. Can you win with a 23 hitting that 16. No but I sure can win with my 14 or 15 and watch the dealer bust out. Second rule don't invest more in a bad hand. What's a bad hand AA against a 10 3/3 another bad hand...just play it out instead chasing a split hope and prayer. Watch the cards if you're playing last seat and the 2 players before you just pulled a 10 and then another there is a better percentage in your favor that the next card is not a third consecutive face card so I'd feel a likely more good about hitting a 14 or 15. Lastly if you are hitting a 16 what is your landing runway. A 2 improves your hand very little. A 3 marginly better to 19. So really your true runway to land that hit on 16 is a 5, 4 , 3 and not very valuable 2.....your landing zone to bust is much greater 6, 7, 8 ,9 and all those 10s. That is frankly elementary logic from a gambler and those that think hit 16 is frankly just a sucker playing to the house.
Condescending attitude and name calling is not polite or attractive.
In better words, he is there for business lol
Facts
No, I seen u playing and u don't leave 😂😂. U have a gambling ADDICTION but u have deep pockets so soon or later your deep pockets will empty in one way or another 😂😂😂.
Until that good luck let's see how is the history play out for you 😂😂😂
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Im one of these story 👑
Only if I could bet 75k a hand. One day.
I love how he forgets about the times he loses millions.
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Actually he’s won millions playing blackjack dillberry
Dana white acting like hes good at blackjack is like someone acting like they’re good at predicting coin flips.
It is literally impossible to win long term at blackjack unless you’re counting cards
There is no winning strategy when you play against the house lol. Dana also doesn't win. You can't count cards so there's no way to win. Winning short term and over several sessions doesn't matter to the casino. There will always be a winner for another 99 losers. The house wins. His hit and run strategy also doesn't matter in the long run, which is what the casino is there for, the long run.
that casino must be very stupid to kick him out
They kick him out because he is counting cards. No casinos let you count cards.
They sure do. If you're not winning.