I installed it on front and back on my 2015 Newmar Canyon Star 3610 and I could not believe the difference in ride. Just did a trip from Abilene Texas to Storm Lake Iowa and then over to Colorado Springs. Then we made the track home to Abilene again and I really enjoyed the ride. I would say price is little high but you pay for what you get and it was well worth the investment in our coach.
Hi, I purchased a newmar canyon star 3911. Handicap version all there rigs that have the xx11 are built with a lift. Fantastic RV, love it. I drive it with hand controls, one hand on my control and one hand on the wheel, just like my braun converter cars. I added a trac bar and better shocks. This has helped some. I have been disabled for over 40 years now, manage my own farming business in CA. Sorry for my history above. My main question. I have been looking into the liquid spring system. Do you truly like it and did it help. 1. Driving in wind 2. Driveway rock and roll 3. Less stress on your driving experience. B I left a message with Wayne
thats crazy money, 20K up grade on a gas class A, I would just slip into a diesel pusher especially if I'm 120K into a gasser, lots of nice used DP for 150K
I'm sold, I cant get super comfortable driving with our bad roads, I have done all the super steer upgrades to my brand new 2023 Entegra vision it made it a lot better, but when i added my 4 dr Bronco tow vehicle it seemed like it went back to the start again. Im worried a little because of the added weight you mentioned. since you can only add minimal amount of weight because they are almost maxed out from the factory they act like you don't to need to pack items like BBQ tables and chairs clothes and maybe even pack the kids. opps cant do that it adds weight lol. With the entire suspension replaced what is left to worry about weight load wise, just the axle bearings? i dont want to pack the whole house but i have plenty of room for storage and would like to be able to travel with a few more items and my fresh water tank filled for boon docking and dont want to have to fill it when i get there. What are your thoughtsabout the weight and tow vehicle. i dont mind the upgrade cost if it is worth it i dont want to upgrade to a bigger coach to get a diesel pusher either i like my 32 ft.
@@EndlessRVing yes, that is our Tiffin. I won't be picking it up or getting my hands on it until next week so I am interested in your experience today when you drive your Newmar for the first time after the retrofit. Some of those Indiana interstate road sections were ridiculous last week prior to the retrofit---wondering what those same road sections will be like now! Enjoy the experience.
I do not disagree that Liquid Springs are the way to go but it is just not in the budget. Did the rear track bar and Sumo Springs make any improvement? Are they worth doing to get some improvement?
I just want to say Thank You. I just had a full Liquid Spring suspension installed on my Super C and Absolutely Love the difference. Your video was extremely helpful in my decision process. And your discount was very appreciated.
Just ordered from Wayne. There is actually a dealer near our home that can install the system, but we decided to stop in Indiana on the way to California to get the install done. We really appreciate your videos. Will let you know if we love it or nah!
@@EndlessRVing we did four corner. It has to make a difference, and this is our first big rv after driving a class b around the country that was just too small for us. I’m looking forward to a more comfortable ride. My wife and I watch all of your videos.Thank you for blessing us with all of your experience and knowledge. Hope MJ is feeling better.
Oh the 4 corner is a huge difference. We test drove both and the 4 corner was on par with DP’s we have driven. MJ is feeling much better. Keep us posted on what you think of the setup once it’s installed. Izzy
We are looking for our retirement RV. We've had Class A and Class C, this time we're looking at Tiffin Allegro 36LA. However, the one we are looking at has not had any suspension upgrades. Would buying the LS system front and rear replace putting in Safe T steer, front and rear sway bars, rear trac bars etc? $20,000 is a lot to spend, and I don't want to add anything unnecessarily. Can the LS take the place of all those other add ons?
LS completely changes the suspension of your coach. No bolt on upgrades will compare. It would be best to test drive a demo unit and judge for yourself. Contact Wayne wells from LS his info is in the video description. He can set you up with a test drive.
Put a deposit on the 4-point for our 21 Georgetown 31L5c (which is 34') to be installed in September. Thank you for the discount code! $20k is a lot, but if it means we drive this thing a lot longer than we otherwise would've then I see it as money well spent. Plus the safety factor.
Thanks for the video. We have ours scheduled for a full install in the Summer of 22 at the factory. We were headed in that direction anyway on our summer trip, and the quote was substantially less to have it done in Indiana than it would have been in Southern California.
So what happens when that computer motor thing goes out ? Can you still drive the coach? If they have to outsource the part how long are you looking at to get the part ?
That much of a difference compared to the rear track bar and sumo springs ect.... I have a 2021 Jayco Precept 36A and it was tossed around by every truck known to man! There’s no aftermarket accessories for the rear sway since it’s the new Ford chassis. So I’m interested
@@EndlessRVing my rig is a Class B+ 4 point LS would be over kill and adding too much weight. With the rear LS and Safe -T- Plus steering stabilizer I can drive with one hand and I don't feel the 18 wheelers at all. Do you think you would buy another gasser with 4 point LS over a DP for your next rig. My guess it will be a Super C.
There is still a market of rvers that don't want or need a diseal motorhomes. Initial expense, higher maintenance, aggravation with emissions, just to mention a few. Being able to diagnose things on a gas motorhome is easier and a comfort for many rvers.The option of buying a good used gas motorhome and retro fitting liquid Springs takes care of that.
One notable difference that I noticed watching the video, was the lack of squeaking and things swinging around in the RV, could be because it’s a demo, it’s funny how fast technology is getting into the RV industry, great video thanks for sharing
Certainly the suspension helps. Also Tiffin makes an excellent unit. The Fleetwood was definitely more noisy. The Tiffin was very similar to our Newmar regarding the squeaks and noise.
I just put down a deposit for a 4 corner install (3rd party) for our Newmar Bay Star Sport. I can't wait to take the upgraded Theodore (our coach's name!) on a trip, however, they estimated 7 weeks until the parts arrive, so I'm going to have to be patient!
Picked up my coach post liquid spring installation. OMG what a difference. I had both front and rear installed and the ride is incredible Can't wait for my first camping trip to test everything out. BTW R&H Spring in Wall NJ were absolutely wonderful to deal with.
You mentioned in the video that you have driven some diesel pushers that you were unimpressed with the drive. I'd love to learn more about that as I will eventually update from our Coachman Ford Chassis
That would stop the cabinet clearing. That’s what we call it when we’re slow rolling through a parking lot in the coach rocks back-and-forth and dumped all the cabinets out onto the floor LOL
I was the first one in arizona two years ago to request this. Im glad they did offer it.. i was the second in the country besides a demo Liquid had of there gasser .My cost was 10k at the time.After all said in done we traded our open road for the Tiffin 2019 33aa. Having pretty good driving both rigs for years. My honest opinion it help out 50 percent or so with the liquid springs , but it still will not compare to air ride on deisel.We finally just pulled the trigger and went with deisel for many reasons. However if you budget does not allow for deisel it is worth while investment for your safety and better ride comfort.
Four corner is a complete game changer.I have had the rear done on our Canyon Star for 2 years now. I've driven the four corner also and the ride quality is better than a air ride straight front axle. The ride quality is right up there with a IFS suspension. The nice thing is you have less moving parts less maintenance. The technology is doing the work. Dave Kunec
Totally a game-changer. We will absolutely get this system when we buy our coach. I believe I have the same system in my Dodge 1500. It has 4 levels and rides excellent. One problem that all of them had in Minnesota was they froze out. Basically, the compressor went bad on a lot of the trucks. Turns out the system was not designed for -20 below temps.
This was a great video. While on our Summer/Fall cross country trip in our DutchStar we ran into a whole lot of Cross Wind conditions in Oaklahoma and while we were walking the dog in our RV Park that evening several folks in a variety of 5th Wheels and Large Gassers were discussing how they had been blown all over the road. I had no real issues with holding the road and was not overly tired as they had complained. I think the weight and air ride suspension helped but this looks like something that would be a very good upgrade for Gassers. I’ll keep this in mind when we meet others next time the wind stirs up. Thanks
Gene you are right. One thing that helps out with the gassers is the Safety plus bar.Read my comment above. I was one of the first to get this upgrades a few years back
I had a super C and found out the factory was only 10 minutes down the road. Toured the factory, took a test drive and had mine done 10 days later. If you can afford it, hands down worth it. I came from leaf springs in the back. I did get body roll but that was because there was no roll at all with leaf springs :). The other item I don’t think you mentioned that I used a lot was the ride height. Under 10mph (I think) you could drop it to the frame or raise it all the way up. When visiting my brother I couldn’t make it up his driveway. After LS, I pushed a button and got 4 extra inches and cleared. When it gets cold, the liquid becomes more dense and it lowers a bit - just turn it on and it automatically adjusts back up. The other thing is because the ride height is computer controlled, it doesn’t dip when you add weight - it always rides at the same height. One more item, you need to drop the LS to the frame and turn it off before using your auto leveling system.
Oh if you do this upgrade dont forget Safety Plus.Thats a must even for some of the deisel that dont have independent front suspension.It will cut down on your white knuckle with the gasser especialy.
I believe it was at the Tampa show last year where they said the front Liquid Springs was going to be available by fall. I asked Newmar why they didn't offer it as a factory option like Tiffin does. I never got a real answer but they implied they didn't think it was worth it. If I didn't have a DP, I'd want them. The ride is one reason we first went with the DP. Comfort Drive® is what drew us to Newmar.
Great video Izzy and Mj glad you did this video. It’s good to know about the suspension. When year my brother rented a class A for him to ride in. That rig had problems with it. My brother says the suspension had issues and the shocks and the cockpit seat it kept moving. They should have never given us a rig like that. But we only rented it out for 2 days then came home. I told myself one day we’ll get a class A. But I recently changed my mind when I saw super Cs. Class cs but I do like class As too. Hopefully the suspension holds up in snowy weather. And ice too! Thank you so much Izzy and MJ. 😀😊😀
Great video, lots of info, I was at Tampa show but did not test drive coach, glad to see you two take the test. Value your options. I have a 2025 Tiffin 35QBA.
What a price tag! I'm sure it makes a big difference in the ride but I'm thinking a used diesel pusher might be the better way to go, it's the route we took for sure.
Fingers crossed, I’m hopeful it’s available for the 2018 Fleetwood Bounder line as well. I’m glad this video came out before wasting money on more suspension parts. 👏👏👏👏
Thank you very much for the video!!! I've been curious about Liquid Springs for awhile. I did all the traditional suspension upgrade to my Newmar Canyon Star and I'm happy with them. But there is always the thought that there is something better... $20k is crazy. At that price point spend the little bit more for a diesel pusher. Thank for the best Liquid Springs video and armed with this information I am confident that I made the right decision with my suspension upgrades!
If you are thinking of buying a new Fleetwood gas and need to pay $20,000 extra For liquid springs you still have an extremely expensive gas motor home that you will need to keep forever as you will never get any recoup of the $20K. I would just get a diesel Fleetwood, at around $185K, seems to me that $20K on top of the gas coach price is too much and not a very good Return on your investment. If it was $10K for front and rear maybe makes it a break even.
I would personally stay away from $185k new DP’s (we considered a Pace Arrow) did not like what we saw. Just our opinion. Thanks for watching and the comment Izzy
@@EndlessRVing then I should stay away from a Fleetwood gas also. The boxes are build exactly the same the only difference is a Ford vs. Freightliner chassis. I am more worried about a Ford Chassis that from your own experience no one will work on then a freightliner, just a different point of view.
Great review of this system. I would rather have this added to a high end gas coach than buy a entry level diesel. Wayne is a great representative for his company as he is very knowledgeable.
Public service announcement: Whatever any one chooses to do DO NOT send a dime to MSRV Repair in Elm Mott, Tx. The owners are Michael and Kendra Springman. They are a fraud, a thief and a liar. We sure wish we could say we are driving with the awesomeness of Liquid Springs installed on our RV but instead we are in a battle to receive our parts deposit of $18,270 returned to us as our parts were never ordered and services never rendered.
As usual another great, detailed video on liquid springs - best one that I have seen to date. And the test rides gave us a bit of the driving experience too boot. Love them but $20k is a pretty pricey option.
Love your videos, we have learned a lot from them in our quest to purchase our retirement RV. (But not full time). Our questions about LS is I believe you have had these or most of these suspension upgrades, how did you like them at that price point. 1. Koni Shock (4) 2. Sumosprings (F&R) 3. Roadmaster Saw Bars (F&R) 4. Roadmaster Track Bar 5. Safe-T Plus Stabilizer 6. Supersteer Radius Rods. After experiencing the Liquid Springs, would you rate them “Extremely Better" than all the upgrades above installed at once, with the price in mind. I know for a Tiffin like yours, which we are looking at, it is about $20K for both front and rear LS. For all the upgrades above its about $5K. We are trying to decide if LS is really that much of a difference at $20K compared to all the upgrades done at once at around $5K(DIY). Thank you for the work making the great videos and we appreciate any input you can share. Thanks AJ
LS is another level of suspension. What I would suggest is to test drive one of there demo units and judge for yourself. Then you can make the decision if it’s worth your $$. Thanks for watching and the comment
I know I joke about Tiffin. I have a 26k chassis 36UA. I truly have not experienced the issues you often refer to and only have rear Konas. Maybe my extra weight helps?
Good video and the product looks great but I think they are over priced and for sure, if I'm spending 20k at your facility, on a product you produce, you damn well better be paying for my stay. He tried to dodge that question, we can help you find a place...Yeah,, I'm sure you can...LoL and you can pay for it too. Like everything RV, I'm sure that's negotiable and if it's not, you can get a custom air-ride system for about that same money. Thanks for the video. Cheers Joe P.
Thanks for the informative video. That system looks heavier than the standard components, especially the liquid tanks. Will this significantly alter the coach's carrying capacity?
@@EndlessRVing That answer isn't going to make it when the official factory sticker still says 24K. Is there a number that Liquid Springs can give you/us that says specifically what the difference is between their added parts and the removed parts from our 24K chassis?
@@EndlessRVing Thank you. Unfortunately for us, that would be a deal breaker, unless there is a way of re-certifying our coach to have a greater GVWR. We are FT and can't give up 600 pounds like that. Our chassis already has the 30K GCWR and if I'm understanding correctly, the only difference between the 24K and 26K GVWR designation on the Ford F53 chassis is an extra leaf spring. I wonder how one would go about recertifying (or if that's even possible)?
Hi! I know you have both test drove the Verona Super C. Do you think it would be worth looking into the Liquid Spring for the front to cusion out the bumps and give it less of a truck and more of a diesel bus feel up front? I don't have any problems with roll, wind, or passing trucks, but I do feel the front leaf springs bouncing around on rough roads. For the cost, it would have to be a very noticable improvement. Thanks!
Upgrading the front will certainly improve the ride because the leaf springs are removed and replaced. Contact Wayne Wells at Liquid Spring and he could answer your questions in detail. Thanks for watching. Izzy
I’m not sure which I would do if I could only choose one, so I will ask you guys front or rear made it smoother? It’s a lot of money compared to a rear track bar
Liquid Spring is a whole other level of suspension. What I will tell you is the four corner setup is on par with handling and comfort of some very expensive DP’s we have driven. Izzy
@@EndlessRVing The mask prevented me from watching any further. But let me rephrase in a different tone. RVing is a marvelous symbol of freedom which is the opposite of what the mask has become. Is the mask useful in certain circumstances? Of course. But mask wearing is very procedural in order to be effective. I don't advocate mask wearing outside controled medical environments. The setting and the way you wore your mask were wrong. I understand you want to be a model citizen and protect others. But 1: If you really want to wear a mask so bad, surely one of your many followers is medically trained and can show you. 2: I do not doubt your intentions but 2 of my friends commited suicide because of all these insane sanitary measures (not even counting those who are depressed). I sincerely hope you understand my perspective. I'm sorry if, no, that I offended you. You responded sarcastically and I deserved it. You took the time to read and respond and I applaud your integrity. I send you all my love and hope you will find a way around the mask. Dan
@@EndlessRVing What about the Ventana. I saw two brothers from Jersey that both both one when I was in Hilton Head last month. Both new. Both bought from North Trail.
@@horizon42q certainly a much better choice than the KS, but the DS is the real sweet spot in the whole Newmar lineup. Flush floor, side mounted radiator 20k front axle, IFS, 450 hP. No surprise it’s their best Diesel seller.
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I installed it on front and back on my 2015 Newmar Canyon Star 3610 and I could not believe the difference in ride. Just did a trip from Abilene Texas to Storm Lake Iowa and then over to Colorado Springs. Then we made the track home to Abilene again and I really enjoyed the ride. I would say price is little high but you pay for what you get and it was well worth the investment in our coach.
great information......
Thanks Ed. It's an amazing product. - MJ
Hi, I purchased a newmar canyon star 3911. Handicap version all there rigs that have the xx11 are built with a lift. Fantastic RV, love it.
I drive it with hand controls, one hand on my control and one hand on the wheel, just like my braun converter cars.
I added a trac bar and better shocks.
This has helped some.
I have been disabled for over 40 years now, manage my own farming business in CA.
Sorry for my history above.
My main question.
I have been looking into the liquid spring system.
Do you truly like it and did it help.
1. Driving in wind
2. Driveway rock and roll
3. Less stress on your driving experience. B
I left a message with Wayne
Love our LS. Best advice is contact Wayne and test drive a demo vehicle. All you questions will be answered.
thats crazy money, 20K up grade on a gas class A, I would just slip into a diesel pusher especially if I'm 120K into a gasser, lots of nice used DP for 150K
Still far less than buying a DP in cost and maintenance. Buy a used gasser and you save a ton of $$ also. Thanks for watching and the comment
Damm that thing seems to squeak when sitting still !!! LoL. You can definitely tell that’s a Gas Engine with that screaming engine!
I'm sold, I cant get super comfortable driving with our bad roads, I have done all the super steer upgrades to my brand new 2023 Entegra vision it made it a lot better, but when i added my 4 dr Bronco tow vehicle it seemed like it went back to the start again. Im worried a little because of the added weight you mentioned. since you can only add minimal amount of weight because they are almost maxed out from the factory they act like you don't to need to pack items like BBQ tables and chairs clothes and maybe even pack the kids. opps cant do that it adds weight lol. With the entire suspension replaced what is left to worry about weight load wise, just the axle bearings? i dont want to pack the whole house but i have plenty of room for storage and would like to be able to travel with a few more items and my fresh water tank filled for boon docking and dont want to have to fill it when i get there. What are your thoughtsabout the weight and tow vehicle. i dont mind the upgrade cost if it is worth it i dont want to upgrade to a bigger coach to get a diesel pusher either i like my 32 ft.
Contact Wayne Wells for LS he will answer all your questions and set you up with a test drive!
If I could..id go for the 4 point.
20k is out of my price range by a far margin.
Like a Mercedes s class suspension.
Would this replace the rear track bar, or would I need that as well?
It will replace the track bar
Can I get the price you got?
Not many people have 20k lying around for a suspension upgrade. Sounds nice though
Getting ours done, all 4 corners, this week alongside yours at the Liquid Springs factory in Indiana. Wayne Wells has been great to interact with.
Awesome. I assume you own the Tiffin?
@@EndlessRVing yes, that is our Tiffin. I won't be picking it up or getting my hands on it until next week so I am interested in your experience today when you drive your Newmar for the first time after the retrofit. Some of those Indiana interstate road sections were ridiculous last week prior to the retrofit---wondering what those same road sections will be like now! Enjoy the experience.
I do not disagree that Liquid Springs are the way to go but it is just not in the budget. Did the rear track bar and Sumo Springs make any improvement? Are they worth doing to get some improvement?
Yes they make improvements. You will still have sway when trucks pass you and in wind
How much overall % better?
Just drove thru Bad Lands on HWY 44 and what a crappy road.
It’s a completely different ride. The best advice is to test drive a demo vehicle.
I just want to say Thank You. I just had a full Liquid Spring suspension installed on my Super C and Absolutely Love the difference. Your video was extremely helpful in my decision process. And your discount was very appreciated.
Great to hear
Nice video!!! Thanks.
Thanks for watching.
Izzy
Just ordered from Wayne. There is actually a dealer near our home that can install the system, but we decided to stop in Indiana on the way to California to get the install done. We really appreciate your videos. Will let you know if we love it or nah!
Awesome, we are pretty certain you will be very impressed with the results.. Did you do rear or 4 corner?
@@EndlessRVing we did four corner. It has to make a difference, and this is our first big rv after driving a class b around the country that was just too small for us. I’m looking forward to a more comfortable ride. My wife and I watch all of your videos.Thank you for blessing us with all of your experience and knowledge. Hope MJ is feeling better.
Oh the 4 corner is a huge difference. We test drove both and the 4 corner was on par with DP’s we have driven. MJ is feeling much better. Keep us posted on what you think of the setup once it’s installed.
Izzy
Do you recommend the safe-t-plus along with the Liguid Spring?
We are looking for our retirement RV. We've had Class A and Class C, this time we're looking at Tiffin Allegro 36LA. However, the one we are looking at has not had any suspension upgrades. Would buying the LS system front and rear replace putting in Safe T steer, front and rear sway bars, rear trac bars etc? $20,000 is a lot to spend, and I don't want to add anything unnecessarily. Can the LS take the place of all those other add ons?
LS completely changes the suspension of your coach. No bolt on upgrades will compare. It would be best to test drive a demo unit and judge for yourself. Contact Wayne wells from LS his info is in the video description. He can set you up with a test drive.
Put a deposit on the 4-point for our 21 Georgetown 31L5c (which is 34') to be installed in September. Thank you for the discount code! $20k is a lot, but if it means we drive this thing a lot longer than we otherwise would've then I see it as money well spent. Plus the safety factor.
Awesome. Let us know what you think of the drive after the install.
How much did you pay for the whole thing?
Contact Wayne Wells for pricing info.
We have a 2015 winnebago 34 ft. adventurer. The ride is not bad at all. The only thing we added was a Safe T Plus .
Thanks for sharing Jim
Izzy
Thanks for the video. We have ours scheduled for a full install in the Summer of 22 at the factory. We were headed in that direction anyway on our summer trip, and the quote was substantially less to have it done in Indiana than it would have been in Southern California.
Can’t beat the install quality and expertise at the factory.
So what happens when that computer motor thing goes out ? Can you still drive the coach? If they have to outsource the part how long are you looking at to get the part ?
We have Liquid Springs on our Phoenix Cruiser 2552 and love it.
Front or rear?
@@WheelTek86 Rear
That much of a difference compared to the rear track bar and sumo springs ect.... I have a 2021 Jayco Precept 36A and it was tossed around by every truck known to man! There’s no aftermarket accessories for the rear sway since it’s the new Ford chassis. So I’m interested
You need to test drive a 4 corner setup to witness the ride. It is truly amazing
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing my rig is a Class B+ 4 point LS would be over kill and adding too much weight. With the rear LS and Safe -T- Plus steering stabilizer I can drive with one hand and I don't feel the 18 wheelers at all.
Do you think you would buy another gasser with 4 point LS over a DP for your next rig. My guess it will be a Super C.
The price of gas coaches now is about what you’ll pay for a entry lvl diesel coach. Get a good used Country Coach or a good used Tiffin diesel
Certainly used is usually a better choice. Thanks for watching
Izzy
There is still a market of rvers that don't want or need a diseal motorhomes. Initial expense, higher maintenance, aggravation with emissions, just to mention a few. Being able to diagnose things on a gas motorhome is easier and a comfort for many rvers.The option of buying a good used gas motorhome and retro fitting liquid Springs takes care of that.
@@davek6653 we agree. At this point in our RV journey we did not need or want a DP for exactly the reasons you stated.
Izzy
The most important question ????
how much it will cost ?????
Approx 22k front and rear
Great video! Love watching your videos. Does this replace your front steering stabilizer?
You can keep the safe t plus with this setup
AWESOME video
Thanks Lori
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing yes
That is cool, looks like gives a nice ride!
Best system on the market currently.
Izzy
One of the best Liquid Spring suspension videos I have seen, yet. Thanks guys,
There will be many more coming in the future John 😉
Izzy
One notable difference that I noticed watching the video, was the lack of squeaking and things swinging around in the RV, could be because it’s a demo, it’s funny how fast technology is getting into the RV industry, great video thanks for sharing
Certainly the suspension helps. Also Tiffin makes an excellent unit. The Fleetwood was definitely more noisy.
The Tiffin was very similar to our Newmar regarding the squeaks and noise.
I just put down a deposit for a 4 corner install (3rd party) for our Newmar Bay Star Sport. I can't wait to take the upgraded Theodore (our coach's name!) on a trip, however, they estimated 7 weeks until the parts arrive, so I'm going to have to be patient!
Awesome hope you used our discount code. It’s by far the best suspension upgrade you can do. We love ours. Stay tuned for more videos about our setup
Your videos are so incredibly informative, I love them
Thanks Jeff
👋👍 another great video. I feel for all the upgrades to be done I will look at a diesel pusher if I don’t get a super C
You’ll be spending a lot more on a DP/super C but you also get more capability. Thanks for watching
Izzy
Great review.
Thanks guys.
Izzy
Picked up my coach post liquid spring installation. OMG what a difference. I had both front and rear installed and the ride is incredible Can't wait for my first camping trip to test everything out. BTW R&H Spring in Wall NJ were absolutely wonderful to deal with.
Like we said, you have to drive LS system to appreciate it. Congrats to many stress free miles ahead!!
This is a great game changer. Now you can really enjoy the journey. Not be scared of feel unsafe to drive your RV. 😁😁😁👍👍
We agree Rick
Izzy
Thanks guys, the best LS demo yet😊😊. And Izzy, your questions right on point!! Thanks again for all you do.
Thanks Robert
Izzy
Great video. I have learned a TON about suspension upgrades through your channel and I appreciate all the education. Thank you
You mentioned in the video that you have driven some diesel pushers that you were unimpressed with the drive. I'd love to learn more about that as I will eventually update from our Coachman Ford Chassis
Glad we could help
Izzy
Great video. Very informative!!! Looks like that’s the way to go..
Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
Do the sumo springs it’s nice ,great for the price...
We have sumo Springs. Yes they help but it’s not even close to what Liquid Spring system does.
Thanks for watching and the comment
Izzy
Ya but it’s not 13k that’s just way too much for that product ....ridiculous
That would stop the cabinet clearing. That’s what we call it when we’re slow rolling through a parking lot in the coach rocks back-and-forth and dumped all the cabinets out onto the floor LOL
Certainly we have all been there. The side to side motion is almost gone with then liquid spring setup.
Thanks for watching
Izzy
Great video, you guys did great job with Wayne.Dave
Thanks Dave
Izzy
I was the first one in arizona two years ago to request this. Im glad they did offer it.. i was the second in the country besides a demo Liquid had of there gasser .My cost was 10k at the time.After all said in done we traded our open road for the Tiffin 2019 33aa. Having pretty good driving both rigs for years. My honest opinion it help out 50 percent or so with the liquid springs , but it still will not compare to air ride on deisel.We finally just pulled the trigger and went with deisel for many reasons. However if you budget does not allow for deisel it is worth while investment for your safety and better ride comfort.
All the upgrades I watched people make on a gasser -I said let’s just go DP right off the start 👍🏻
Four corner is a complete game changer.I have had the rear done on our Canyon Star for 2 years now. I've driven the four corner also and the ride quality is better than a air ride straight front axle. The ride quality is right up there with a IFS suspension. The nice thing is you have less moving parts less maintenance. The technology is doing the work. Dave Kunec
Remember the first rule in grammar I before E except after C (Therefore the correct spelling is Diesel)
@@TonyBenton0728 I replied with the intent of being humorous, as I fat finger the keyboard myself and misspell words daily....
Thanks for sharing. The 4 corner is a even better setup and we were very impressed
Izzy
Totally a game-changer. We will absolutely get this system when we buy our coach. I believe I have the same system in my Dodge 1500. It has 4 levels and rides excellent. One problem that all of them had in Minnesota was they froze out. Basically, the compressor went bad on a lot of the trucks. Turns out the system was not designed for -20 below temps.
It’s a very nice system. Fortunately where we live we don’t get -20 temps.
Thanks for watching.
Izzy
20 thousand Wow, I am sure the ride was a lot better ! That makes the Super C price look better !
It was unbelievable! Better than any DP I've driven. - MJ
They make them for m2 106 also.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing really,that’s interesting !
I would go Super C diesel over a upgraded Class A.
Sweet ride😍😍😍😍😍 Q; DOES THIS MODEL DO WELL IN THE TANK Capacity?
You would have to refer to manufacturers specs for tank sizes.
Thanks for watching.
Izzy
This was a great video. While on our Summer/Fall cross country trip in our DutchStar we ran into a whole lot of Cross Wind conditions in Oaklahoma and while we were walking the dog in our RV Park that evening several folks in a variety of 5th Wheels and Large Gassers were discussing how they had been blown all over the road. I had no real issues with holding the road and was not overly tired as they had complained. I think the weight and air ride suspension helped but this looks like something that would be a very good upgrade for Gassers. I’ll keep this in mind when we meet others next time the wind stirs up. Thanks
The Liquid spring system is a really game changer. It rivals the DP’s in drive the handling is very impressive.
Thanks for watching Gene.
Izzy
Gene you are right. One thing that helps out with the gassers is the Safety plus bar.Read my comment above. I was one of the first to get this upgrades a few years back
I had a super C and found out the factory was only 10 minutes down the road. Toured the factory, took a test drive and had mine done 10 days later. If you can afford it, hands down worth it. I came from leaf springs in the back. I did get body roll but that was because there was no roll at all with leaf springs :). The other item I don’t think you mentioned that I used a lot was the ride height. Under 10mph (I think) you could drop it to the frame or raise it all the way up. When visiting my brother I couldn’t make it up his driveway. After LS, I pushed a button and got 4 extra inches and cleared. When it gets cold, the liquid becomes more dense and it lowers a bit - just turn it on and it automatically adjusts back up. The other thing is because the ride height is computer controlled, it doesn’t dip when you add weight - it always rides at the same height. One more item, you need to drop the LS to the frame and turn it off before using your auto leveling system.
Thanks for sharing. We were very impressed with the system.
Izzy
I think he coverted all Thst closer to the end of video
Good job guys ! That is some good informations we were looking for. Very helpful to help us decide on our next rig.
Thanks for watching.
Izzy
Great video. Definitely hear that engine in a gasser.
We drove the coach hard!!
Izzy
Oh if you do this upgrade dont forget Safety Plus.Thats a must even for some of the deisel that dont have independent front suspension.It will cut down on your white knuckle with the gasser especialy.
We talked about that in the video.
Thanks for watching Chris
Izzy
I believe it was at the Tampa show last year where they said the front Liquid Springs was going to be available by fall. I asked Newmar why they didn't offer it as a factory option like Tiffin does. I never got a real answer but they implied they didn't think it was worth it. If I didn't have a DP, I'd want them. The ride is one reason we first went with the DP. Comfort Drive® is what drew us to Newmar.
Roy I have a feeling Newmar may offer it in the future. Just my opinion.
Thanks for watching
Izzy
Was wondering the same thing why Newmar at least wouldn’t offer it as an upgrade.
What year is your King Aire?
Great video guys..seeing it being driven was a HUGE benefit to me. Hope y'all are staying warm... Lee
Thanks Lee. It’s still cold here.
Izzy
Great video Izzy and Mj glad you did this video. It’s good to know about the suspension. When year my brother rented a class A for him to ride in. That rig had problems with it. My brother says the suspension had issues and the shocks and the cockpit seat it kept moving. They should have never given us a rig like that. But we only rented it out for 2 days then came home. I told myself one day we’ll get a class A. But I recently changed my mind when I saw super Cs. Class cs but I do like class As too. Hopefully the suspension holds up in snowy weather. And ice too! Thank you so much Izzy and MJ. 😀😊😀
Thanks for watching Sherri
Izzy
Great video, lots of info, I was at Tampa show but did not test drive coach, glad to see you two take the test. Value your options. I have a 2025 Tiffin 35QBA.
It’s an excellent suspension system. Thanks for watching.
Izzy
I have the exact Tiffin coach. Can you do LS only in the rear?
From the factory yes. After market you can do the 4 corner.
The 4 corner setup is amazing.
Thanks for watching.
Izzy
What a price tag! I'm sure it makes a big difference in the ride but I'm thinking a used diesel pusher might be the better way to go, it's the route we took for sure.
Anytime you go used you save a bunch of $$ if that is gas or a DP. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
Fingers crossed, I’m hopeful it’s available for the 2018 Fleetwood Bounder line as well. I’m glad this video came out before wasting money on more suspension parts. 👏👏👏👏
If it’s a 24 or 26k F53 yes it is available.if you want the very best suspension you can buy Liquid Spring is it.
Awesome video guys. Definitely looks like a game changer.
It was unbelievable! Better than the DP’s we’ve driven. Thanks Chris. - MJ
Thank you very much for the video!!! I've been curious about Liquid Springs for awhile. I did all the traditional suspension upgrade to my Newmar Canyon Star and I'm happy with them. But there is always the thought that there is something better... $20k is crazy. At that price point spend the little bit more for a diesel pusher. Thank for the best Liquid Springs video and armed with this information I am confident that I made the right decision with my suspension upgrades!
Thanks for watching and the comment
Izzy
Super informative! Are you going to have upgrade #7 now 😂
Never know what the future holds
Izzy
Izzy,
So we could better compare apples to oranges, do you have a ballpark what you’ve spent in all of your suspension upgrades
Probably 4-5k but that is not including labor as I did all the installs myself.
Izzy
One simple question is this a four-figure or five-figure upgrade. I have a 2016 Fleetwood Bounder
We talk about price in the video. Thanks for watching and the comment
If you are thinking of buying a new Fleetwood gas and need to pay $20,000 extra For liquid springs you still have an extremely expensive gas motor home that you will need to keep forever as you will never get any recoup of the $20K. I would just get a diesel Fleetwood, at around $185K, seems to me that $20K on top of the gas coach price is too much and not a very good Return on your investment. If it was $10K for front and rear maybe makes it a break even.
I would personally stay away from $185k new DP’s (we considered a Pace Arrow) did not like what we saw. Just our opinion. Thanks for watching and the comment
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing then I should stay away from a Fleetwood gas also. The boxes are build exactly the same the only difference is a Ford vs. Freightliner chassis. I am more worried about a Ford Chassis that from your own experience no one will work on then a freightliner, just a different point of view.
@@anthonylicwinko9142 I would agree with you on the Fleetwood.
Great video, keep up the good work, we enjoy your site
How did you like the new 7.3 V8 compared to the 6.8V10?
Don’t notice a difference driving.
Thank for watching and the comment
Izzy
Great review of this system. I would rather have this added to a high end gas coach than buy a entry level diesel.
Wayne is a great representative for his company as he is very knowledgeable.
We agree. Some entry level DP’s are very low quality. Thanks for watching
Izzy
Great review! Wonder why upscale gassers don’t offer this as an option.
Tiffin and Fleetwood do
Thanks for watching.
Izzy
Public service announcement: Whatever any one chooses to do DO NOT send a dime to MSRV Repair in Elm Mott, Tx. The owners are Michael and Kendra Springman. They are a fraud, a thief and a liar. We sure wish we could say we are driving with the awesomeness of Liquid Springs installed on our RV but instead we are in a battle to receive our parts deposit of $18,270 returned to us as our parts were never ordered and services never rendered.
Nice video
Thanks Tim
Izzy
Another great Video Izzy/MJ. Did the addition of Liquid Spring have a impact on Cargo Carrying Capacity?
Unofficially it will increase the capacity of 24k chassis to that of a 26k.
Officially no.
Thanks for or watching
Izzy
The mask comment kills me...good response!
Isn’t it crazy?
I’m really tired of these YT doctors giving their advice. Simple answer is don’t watch the video!!
Thanks for watching
Izzy
As usual another great, detailed video on liquid springs - best one that I have seen to date. And the test rides gave us a bit of the driving experience too boot. Love them but $20k is a pretty pricey option.
Not a cheap upgrade but the 4 corner setup is on par with DP’s we have driven That is how good the system is. Thanks for watching
Izzy
Is it a factory option from any chassis builder ?
Right now only Tiffin and Fleetwood. Aftermarket in other builds.
Izzy
Phoenix USA offers it from the factory on their Class B+ E450 chassis, I have it on mine from the factory. Rear only.
Did they say if this is strictly for Class A only ?
Available on class c and M2 106 chassis. Their website has all the chassis the system is available for.
Izzy
Love your videos, we have learned a lot from them in our quest to purchase our retirement RV. (But not full time). Our questions about LS is I believe you have had these or most of these suspension upgrades, how did you like them at that price point.
1. Koni Shock (4)
2. Sumosprings (F&R)
3. Roadmaster Saw Bars (F&R)
4. Roadmaster Track Bar
5. Safe-T Plus Stabilizer
6. Supersteer Radius Rods.
After experiencing the Liquid Springs, would you rate them “Extremely Better" than all the upgrades above installed at once, with the price in mind. I know for a Tiffin like yours, which we are looking at, it is about $20K for both front and rear LS. For all the upgrades above its about $5K. We are trying to decide if LS is really that much of a difference at $20K compared to all the upgrades done at once at around $5K(DIY). Thank you for the work making the great videos and we appreciate any input you can share. Thanks AJ
LS is another level of suspension. What I would suggest is to test drive one of there demo units and judge for yourself. Then you can make the decision if it’s worth your $$. Thanks for watching and the comment
I know I joke about Tiffin. I have a 26k chassis 36UA. I truly have not experienced the issues you often refer to and only have rear Konas. Maybe my extra weight helps?
Glad that has worked out for you David.
Izzy
Good video and the product looks great but I think they are over priced and for sure, if I'm spending 20k at your facility, on a product you produce, you damn well better be paying for my stay. He tried to dodge that question, we can help you find a place...Yeah,, I'm sure you can...LoL and you can pay for it too. Like everything RV, I'm sure that's negotiable and if it's not, you can get a custom air-ride system for about that same money.
Thanks for the video.
Cheers
Joe P.
Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
Thanks for the informative video. That system looks heavier than the standard components, especially the liquid tanks. Will this significantly alter the coach's carrying capacity?
Unofficially it would increase the CCC on our 24k chassis to that of a 26k chassis.
Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing That answer isn't going to make it when the official factory sticker still says 24K. Is there a number that Liquid Springs can give you/us that says specifically what the difference is between their added parts and the removed parts from our 24K chassis?
@@timmyb1957 Increase weight of 600 lbs for 4 corner setup
@@EndlessRVing Thank you. Unfortunately for us, that would be a deal breaker, unless there is a way of re-certifying our coach to have a greater GVWR. We are FT and can't give up 600 pounds like that. Our chassis already has the 30K GCWR and if I'm understanding correctly, the only difference between the 24K and 26K GVWR designation on the Ford F53 chassis is an extra leaf spring. I wonder how one would go about recertifying (or if that's even possible)?
Hi! I know you have both test drove the Verona Super C. Do you think it would be worth looking into the Liquid Spring for the front to cusion out the bumps and give it less of a truck and more of a diesel bus feel up front? I don't have any problems with roll, wind, or passing trucks, but I do feel the front leaf springs bouncing around on rough roads. For the cost, it would have to be a very noticable improvement. Thanks!
Upgrading the front will certainly improve the ride because the leaf springs are removed and replaced. Contact Wayne Wells at Liquid Spring and he could answer your questions in detail.
Thanks for watching.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing I'll reach out to Wayne. Thanks!
I’m not sure which I would do if I could only choose one, so I will ask you guys front or rear made it smoother? It’s a lot of money compared to a rear track bar
Liquid Spring is a whole other level of suspension. What I will tell you is the four corner setup is on par with handling and comfort of some very expensive DP’s we have driven.
Izzy
Uh oh I guess you have to sell your rig and get MJ a Tiffin with front and rear Liquid 😳 😉 😆😆
Perhaps.
Izzy
Izzy, does it change the tow capacity at all?
That is a question best answered by Wayne Wells for Liquid Spring.
Thanks for watching Scott
Izzy
A question in cold, weather would the liquid freeze or operate different?
Also do you have the fear of the liquid bag bursting, like a airbag possibly could??
No on the freezing and they are not airbags it’s a different setup then an airbag.
Thanks for watching
Izzy
Another question; how does it compare to all the modifications you’ve done to your coach as opposed to the liquid sprigs? Are they that noticeable?
10 levels up. Not even close.
Izzy
Would you have four corner suspension kit for our 2017 Thor Miramar 35.2
24k or 26k chassis. Contact Wayne Wells he will tell you your options.
Izzy
26K
Are you kidding me, masks outside?
Glad you took all the information from the video and wrapped it up into a thoughtful comment.
Thanks for watching.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing The mask prevented me from watching any further. But let me rephrase in a different tone. RVing is a marvelous symbol of freedom which is the opposite of what the mask has become. Is the mask useful in certain circumstances? Of course. But mask wearing is very procedural in order to be effective. I don't advocate mask wearing outside controled medical environments. The setting and the way you wore your mask were wrong. I understand you want to be a model citizen and protect others. But 1: If you really want to wear a mask so bad, surely one of your many followers is medically trained and can show you. 2: I do not doubt your intentions but 2 of my friends commited suicide because of all these insane sanitary measures (not even counting those who are depressed). I sincerely hope you understand my perspective. I'm sorry if, no, that I offended you. You responded sarcastically and I deserved it. You took the time to read and respond and I applaud your integrity. I send you all my love and hope you will find a way around the mask. Dan
I couldn’t watch the entire video as I get too nervous watching someone drive with one hand.
You can do it easily with this suspension.
Izzy
He’s crazy!
$20,000
Crazy!
Resale value is zero
Still far less cost than a DP. Thanks for watching.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing
Izzy,
You can probably get a good trade in on the Kountry Star
@@horizon42q not impressed with the KS. It’s overpriced and underpowered and If we did a Newmar DP it would be DS.
@@EndlessRVing
What about the Ventana.
I saw two brothers from Jersey that both both one when I was in Hilton Head last month. Both new.
Both bought from North Trail.
@@horizon42q certainly a much better choice than the KS, but the DS is the real sweet spot in the whole Newmar lineup. Flush floor, side mounted radiator 20k front axle, IFS, 450 hP. No surprise it’s their best Diesel seller.
With all due respect lose the masks you’re in your own private world and let’s all work to bring normalcy back to the US. Thomyt
With all due respect we don’t tell other people how to live
nor do we listen when other people tell us how to live.
Thanks for watching.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing Thank you, Love your channel keep up the good informative as well as Safe work. Much respect!
Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy