I honestly don’t think that there’s an issue with Spider-Man’s suit being space worthy. Tony had PTSD about the nuke he carried into space through the portal in Avengers 1, then he had even more fear of a threat from space brought up by the visions in Avengers 2. It makes sense that his subsequent armours would have space worthy technology. Spider-Man has as much reason to go to space as iron man does
Adding to that-We know Tony's the type of character who struggles with failure and letting go of past mistakes, sometimes it's beneficial and sometimes we get Ultron, but considering we get to see his first major flight attempt end with his prototype suit failing when it can't handle the environmental conditions in space it's probably safe to assume that every single suit Tony has made since then has at least the bare essential requirements needed to withstand being in an icy vacuum devoid of oxygen. Hell he probably still beat himself up over it every time he space proofed a suit from then on.
While I 100% agree with your point, I actually think there's a far more simple explanation: Both of their suits are made of the same nanotech, therefore if Tony made his own suit space-worthy (which he absolutely would, given your point) it would automatically make Peter's space-worthy as well.
There’s also one other thing people are forgetting: if something is water proof it’s space-proof. At least if it’s built to stand enough water pressure. Peter already fell into water and had to be rescued by Tony once, it’s possibly Tony had the idea and went nuts with it, with the added side effect of making it space-worthy.
I also think that iron man might have just made the suit really well? like to protect peter from a bunch of stuff, because there's no way he's going to predict what peter will be up against, and I don't think it would be that difficult for him, considering his and peter's suit are both presumably made of the same nanotech, so it would merely be a matter of programming peter's suit to protect him
Yeah definitely, also it just makes sense to make his suit self contained like the iron man suits, it's just better than not haha War machines was, it's why they took his mask off after his arc reactor was damaged before his fall Also any nitpicks about Strange not using X or Y against Thanos are circumvented by the fact he already saw the 14 million possibilities, so everything we saw him do was what lead to the 1 successful timeline, namely Thanos initially winning, he also knew Peter would lose his cool and punch him I'm sure quite a few of those scenarios had them portal his hand off, but thanos still ended up succeeding
I always read Tony saying “we’re not on speaking terms,” as him conveying that he is uncomfortable calling on Cap. He feels that he can’t do it because of their emotional baggage, it’s not that he believes Cap would refuse his call despite having been given a phone that could call Cap. By the same token, “if you need me, I’ll be there,” wasn’t just Cap saying “I agree to help if the world is ever in danger again.” He was indeed saying “it’s okay to call me if you want to get burgers down town.” That why it was both vague and specific at the same time. “If YOU need me” is about Tony specifically. What’s left vague is any possible reason why Tony might need Cap. It’s beautiful.
23:30 the homecoming suit is designed to be very loose and then contracts around the wearer to fit, and the iron spider suit is nanotech that forms around peter's body. so in both cases it's unnecessary for tony to physically take peter's measurements.
I didn't even think about that. What I was thinking was that since his suit from homecoming could adjust to his size, the suit got his measurements then and that's how Tony got them. But your explanation makes more sense.
Exactly! This is a perfect example of a loose end where the film -- Homecoming in this case -- goes out of their way to insert a scene that gives everyone the explanation they wanted, and it gets IGNORED anyway. By several nit pickers. Repeatedly. Lindsay Ellis covered this really well in her criticism of the Beauty and the Beast live action remake trying to fill in TH-camr "plot holes [sic]" th-cam.com/video/vpUx9DnQUkA/w-d-xo.html Movies should NOT try to fill in the phony "plot holes" of this type of TH-cam nitpickers. It doesn't make stories better, and it's a fool's errand to even try to satisfy their ilk. They pretend they're better at noticing errors than the average mainstream movie watcher, when in fact they're both worse at it, and acting in bad faith. There are plot holes, gaffes, loose ends, boom mikes in the shot that do matter, and there are those that don't, and the CinemaSins mentality doesn't tell you which are which.
Quick note on the “why is groot playing that game” sin. He’s acting like a teenager in this one, and his whole vibe is ‘kid who is over at a relative’s house and bored’
Pizza Time yeah I was disappointed in this guy. He seems to do his research but can’t tell killer croc is dc even though one of the first things that popped up in the search was “suicide squad- killer croc” and “Arkham series”
Something to add to your correction of "Tony Stark isn't recognizable, wtf?" sin: it is more common than a lot of people would realize that the actual person and the celebrity version of the person can be perceived drastically differently by passers-by. One story that stuck with me was a journalist doing an interview with Mel Gibson (pre-crazy-rant) while he was doing errands, watched him "put on a ratty jacket and a hat and visibly turn off the charm" and he was apparently just unrecognizable enough that when he got his license renewed, the only comment was from the clerk and was along the lines of "Huh, Mel Gibson, like the actor. You look kinda like him!" In the scene, Tony is wearing a hoodie and looks kind of disheveled, as opposed to his public appearances in bespoke suits and designer sunglasses. Combine that he's like *the* generic white guy profile (dark hair, medium build) and the one distinguishing feature from the first films (his unique beard style) got copied by a lot of people after previous movies... I think that this is one of those situations where reality is stranger than fiction. Similar stories abound re: Marilyn Monroe, who did an interview where she was meek and timid, stood hunched over, etc... and then when the interviewer acted confused (and many people passed them by without remark) she asked "Do you want to see... *her*?" and then changed her posture and put on a smile and suddenly people realized that Marilyn Monroe was standing right there. And finally, tons of celebrities who are no-longer relevant will end up losing costume/look-alike contests that they enter in. Examples include Charlie Chaplin not even qualifying for a Charlie Chaplin look-alike contest, and Dolly Parton being told she looked nothing like herself in a Dolly Parton look-alike contest.
21:07 I have to disagree here. The whole reason the time loop worked against Dormammu is because his Dark Dimension is specifically described as being without time (Kaecilius saying that it's without time is the exact thing that gives Strange the idea for the loop). Dormammu existing outside of time, and then having time brought to him meant that when Strange went through the loop again, Dormammu was aware that everything was repeating and demanded he be set free, making him willing to bargain. Thanos on the other hand, comes from a dimension with time. If Strange set up another time loop, Thanos wouldn't know until Strange told him, and he'd have to tell him each loop. The whole point of trapping Dormammu in the loop was to force him to bargain for release, since he remembered each loop. If Thanos was stuck in a loop, he wouldn't know it like Dormammu would and thus wouldn't care how many times he had to go through it to get what he wants. Also, I feel like Thanos is probably the type of guy to murder everyone else on Titan and then torture Strange into breaking the loop rather than abandon his life's mission.
Let's also not forget that Strange could've trapped himself in the loop as well, even in his own movie he seems completely unaware that he's in his own loop until Dormammu asks him what's going on, at which point he realizes he's in a loop. If he caught Thanos in the loop they could be stuck there in a very delicate state, in which any interference and attempt to break the loop could break it in Thanos' favour, at which point he gets what he wants anyway.
@@lich109 iirc Strange set up a counter on his wrist before or just as he entered the dark dimension. So he was aware that he was in a time loop, but it is possible that without a counter, he wouldn't be able to keep track of its progression.
@@albericponcedeleon2696 Exactly what I'm getting at, before Dormammu asks him what's going on he doesn't seem to know he did this before and died once.
@@lich109 I thought he was asking what's going on because he didn't understand how Strange had set up the loop, not because he didn't realize he was looping, but I realize either one makes sense frankly. Why would Dormammu realize something was wrong if he didn't also realize he was looping?
I think there are 6 stones because there are six questions: Who what when where why and how. Who: Soul What: Reality When: Time Where: Space Why: Mind How: Power
Probably not the intended connection, but I love how well it fits so A+ on a fan interpretation, and don't forget plenty of canon lore has been based on fan theories and reactions and interpretations :)
this is literally the best reason i have ever seen for why there are six stones, regardless of weather it was originally intended or not, this is my new headcanon
Seriously, the dude has been preparing for something like this since IM3, it's why he created Ultron, etc. Of course he's going to take into consideration that the kid he's mentoring might need some kind of space suit function (on the assumption Tony would be with him and could fly him up to the space ship if it came down to it).
Exactly. I'd also add that to me it seems like the iron spider suit was generally made to have the base functions of an Ironman suit, while taking into account Spidey's personal hero aesthetic. It doesn't seem farfetched to think Tony would include base functions like filtering air, being bullet proof, just general layers of protection that the Ironman suit would have too, and which could be useful in different kinds of situations beyond going to space. He'd probably hold back on the more advanced functions, and then substitute the ones that make more sense in the Spidey aesthetic, in this case web slinging and the spider legs instead of flight. I don't think the movie should take time out to explain this, really, but none of the functions seemed far fetched to me considering that it seemed pretty clear that the iron spider suit would be based off the ironman suit.
Having a logical reason for the suit to have been designed for space travel just raises even more questions about why it doesn't have rockets or other flight mechanism. Generally he web slings from buildings when he's on Earth yes, but there aren't exactly a lot of buildings in space and outside of the asteroid belt it would probably be a shot in the dark, possibly literally, on whether there was anything to web Sling from or not at all. Heck even regular real life space suits have some kind of propulsion system don't they?
@@nexus6100 To be fair we dont know if it did have any propulsion system. He puts on the suit, goes inside and then fights on Titan. He never really needed to use any thing other than the extra legs
Also, if I remember correctly, there was a bit in homecoming where he flew too high (because of latching onto the vulture or something) and had difficulty breathing because of the high altitude.... so it wouldn't be too far-fetched that Tony would develop something as a result, and possibly one thing led to another and he just built a suit that could withstand further altitudes, etc But Idk just a thought
Beyond the “Tony has PTSD from a space invasion” and “Tony almost died in his own suit from lack of atmosphere in the first movie and it was one of the first mods he made,” as both of reasons why he might have made Peter’s suit able to survive no atmosphere ... Peter also almost died in his first movie because he stuck himself to a plane ✈️ One of Tony’s planes no less, after Tony has taken the suit from him. We’re clearly told Tony feels responsible for Peter’s safety. Given that Peter could encounter lack of air while stuck to the outside of a plane (or fall off), I think it’s totally logical that would be something Tony would add to his suit, even if he didn’t have space in mind.
21:09 that’s because thanos is affected by time. Dormammu wasn’t, so he was aware of the loop. Time rewinds with him AND Doctor Strange, so it’d just be strange suffering and Thanos just doing the same thing over and over without realizing that time is repeating.
If strange is aware of the loop due to the ability to percieve time, surely thanos would be as well. Rather it would give thanos infinite chances to take the stone from strange. It works on dormammu because he cannot percieve time. Dormammu is timeless, so each loop would be his first albeit with a massive case of deva vu.
@@Modification102 I thought the whole thing was that Dormammu is timeless, so the existed through the loops, while people in time would repeat the same time without realizing. Also I'd think that the reason Strange was aware of the time loop was because he was the one who created the time loop. Thanos has no special powers(other than strength and intelligence) without the stones, so no reason for him to be able to perceive the time loop.
John Chi i thought the reason why Strange could tell it was a loop was because time in general does not exist in Dormamus dimension. It would of course make sense if it was because he made it, but i thought he would also not be affected by time since he was in Dormomus dimension.
@@Sondrebol The time stone would be pretty useless if it also affected the user, it would mean that as soon as you use it you would just go back in time and repeat whatever you already did forever so I think it's safe to assume it doesn't affect the user.
I love how Jeremy found Tony's nanobots unbelievable, in a scene with literally 2 wizards, 2 aliens, a guy that turns into a giant green rage monster, a stone that controls time and a boy with spider powers And that's only accounting for what's in that one confrontation. I don't know how he handle the rest of the movie. Gods, an android, the other stones, the talking raccoon and tree etc. 😂
i think you misunderstood cinemasins' video and jay exci's video. yeah you could absolutely believe it's weird for them to single that out as unrealistic. but since they've seemingly been consistent about it, there's nothing saying they can't hold the opinion that nanobot technology like that shouldn't have been attained yet (or so easily) in this setting. weird creatures and magic existing doesn't contradict that. since it's a question of how believable they find it that stark managed to develop such tech before the movie took place. not that advanced nanobot armor could exist under any circumstances, just within the circumstances the series has established around that character. though the video raised many legitimate reasons to disagree with cinemasins opinion, that opinion wasn't delegitimized. i personally believe that a giant sudden release of alien information should've taken them longer to decode and reconstruct so effectively. however that hinges on each individuals estimation of something unknowable. such as how effective you think earth's supercomputers are and how much effort a task like this would require. which depends on your personal impression of these things as presented in the story. especially since the information that's been released about how all the technology work has been limited and relatively ambiguous (which is fair, just to be clear). in other words i don't think it's weird or invalid for them to single that out. though that doesn't mean their assessment is good and accurate either.
One slight critique about the how slowly they (Strange, Wong, Stark, and Banner) all left the Sanctum Sanctorum. While you gave good reasons for why Strange, Wong, and Banner wouldn't leave quickly, you kind of agreed with CinemaSins that Stark should be faster, which is somewhat fair because he is a superhero. However, he's a superhero with serious PTSD. PTSD about an alien invasion in New York. Specifically, an invasion orchestrated by the same tyrannical threat Tony was just told is on its way. If anything, it's surprising to me that he moved as quickly as he did.
And they are all a bit "nerdy" characters, with Banner even being somewhat of a coward, so it makes sense they wouldn't dive head deep into trouble without having a moment to consider options.
MapleBear I interpret it as Tony being the one who’s doing hero work the most frequently, and thus went out first because it’s his job to investigate trouble and stop it if necessary.
@@diegodunn-humphrey512 Cinema Sins notoriously HATES the Stan Lee cameos, even going forth in their second channel at the time, in detail, in how they don't like them.
Just wanted to mention about the Spiderman suit measurements: it's been established in Homecomming that the suit fits any size by the way Peter is seen putting it on and because of the fact that Ned wears it
Agreed. I think the real sin should be if Tony is capable of creating this form fitting one size fits all clothing, why doesn't he make the hulk a pair of pants?
Tony Stark is the first one that steps out of the house so it does stay in line with their motivations. He may not be quick to respond but responded first. He also doesn't know too much of the situation and is caught off guard.
Exactly. They all noticed *wind* LOL. Why would they respond any quicker? As soon as they heard/saw people screaming they leapt into action. Not a valid complaint at all in my opinion.
@@zingzaber6989 Lol exactly, people expect Tony Stark to immediately go out & save the day even though all he had heard was slight wind noises. In fact he was having a reaction already in that scene before all the other three had noticed anything.
About the SPACE title card - it was used to clue the audience in to the fact that the next scene was going to involve the Guardians of the Galaxy - a bit of pre-hype, if you will.
I think it's perfectly reasonable that Tony would make Peter's Iron Spider suit space-worthy - Tony's been traumatized by space since the Chitauri invasion, that was the Avengers' first mission together, and that was supposed to be Peter's Avengers suit. Tony would absolutely make Peter's suit space-worthy, because space is a problem the Avengers have faced before, and one that almost killed Tony personally. (Sorry if someone already brought this up I'm still watching the video)
@@obinnaonyeije On what grounds? Lets take the nuke over nyc. Spidey could have surfed the missile, using his webs to get on it and control its rudders to angle it up into the portal. The idea isn't that the avengers are intentionally going to space, the idea is that they're able to survive if they're forced there.
@@obinnaonyeije Hitching a ride? I mean, how would A chitauri soldier, or Thanos move (assuming pre-space stone)? None of them had thrusters on their suits. I think you're definitely right that the argument is there the be had, but as far as just having the ability to be in space is concerned, I don't think it was about combat viability so much as ability to dr. strangelove the situation as necessary. Also, this is just a little pedantic physics, but web shooters would definitely act as propulsion in a 0G Vacuum. Presuming he has enough in there to make it all the way around New York as necessary and fight a bad guy using it, he could certainly propel himself through space using it. Makeshift, definitely not as intended, but possible.
11:30 I love how he disregards that anyone on the bus could have seen him, even though it's MUCH more plausible than any of those cars catching it on film. Even though everyone is distracted by the giant spaceship, it's still possible that someone noticed in the corner of the eye that Peter is escaping through the window and then sees him putting on the mask.
Also Missed Sin: If I lived in the world the Marvel Universe takes place in, and saw more than two heroes in the same place at any given time, given their history, I would not be wrong in assuming that something disastrous and catastrophic was probably about to go down. Which is to say, a casual glance would be the last thing on my mind, and I would be far more concerned about booking it out of there as fast as possible so I don't die by having a building dropped on me.
Tony didn't recognize Strange, thus I don't really think we can assume anyone else would. And while Hulk is well recognizable, not knowing what banner looks like is probably normal... especially since he used to look like edward norton.
@@alexiscanfield3473 Or Eric Bana. Though if someone came through a magic portal to talk to Iron Man, that would be enough to be a harbinger of death, I feel.
Actually, the civilians might have casually checked how calm Tony is, judged him to be in no-serious-danger mode, and went about their day. If Tony isn't even suited up, nor yelling at them to run to safety, they'd probably assume they're fine. Even if that's not how Tony operates (I don't remember clearly whether it's the case), there's a good chance that civilians won't _know_ that, and assume calm, unsuited Tony = safe.
24:03 actually, it's completely reasonable for Tony to equip the Iron Spider suit with space capabilities, because Iron Man designs his suits off the mistakes he's made in the past. For example, nano-technology anticipates small threats after Iron-Man was dismantled by Ant-man sneaking into his suit in Civil War. In the very first Iron-Man, he realizes he needs to build his suits for high-altitudes after almost dying on a test flight. This is what helps him survive the super villain later in the film. Tony Stark is a notoriously anxious planner, so it makes sense he would integrate this feature solely because he knows its a probability.
Tony is wildly obsessive over his suits. This is a major plot point of IM3. It serves to assume now that Peter is surrogate son, he is doing the same for him. Because obsessively build and improve his armor is essentially all that Tony has been up to since Iron Man 1. "How'd you fix the icing problem?" It's not just about being able to breath in space but high altitude (they aren't in space when he puts the suit on him) but seeing as Peter's last enemy was a literal guy with wings who attacked air planes....a suit best adept at this would be a logical step.
@@yeahkeen2905 Pepper and Tony got together at the end ofg IM3 with the agreement that he wouldn't obsess over his suits anymore. She already kinda left him again before Age of Ultron happened, so he clearly didn't get over it. This is supported by the fact that he built Ultron, Veronica and the Bleeding Edge armor. (The reason they got back together before/during homecoming is probably because he isn't as obsessed with his suits as he used to be and/or Pepper got used to that flaw)
Roger Dräyer nowhere was it implied that they broke up before Ultron. Before Civil War yeas but not before Ultron. And just because he built those suits doesn’t mean he was obsessing over them. Notice how, in the span of time between the first Iron Man to the third one (5 years), he had built 42 suits but in the time between IM3 and now (5 years) he had only built 8 (10 if you count Ultron and Hulkbuster but Ultron wouldn’t like that and Pepper would be pretty selfish to oppose to the Hulkbusters creation).
@@yeahkeen2905 Pretty sure that implication is made during the party scene in Ultron... scratch that... it is assumed they're still together at the beginning of A.O.U., as during the party scene Thor and Tony have a dick measuring contest on who's girlfriend is better. However, I'd say that Ultron could possibly be the reason that they split up, so. As to obsessing over them, if that's not explicit text in the films, it is definitely subtext. Even in Infinity War, when Pepper is getting all pissy about the nanite containment device the implication that he's worried about keeping the world safe and obsessing over the ability to do that with his suits is plain. As to Iron Spider, I didn't even consider the father surrogate thing when coming to the same conclusion that if Tony made anyone else a suit, that it would default survive the vacuum of space, simply because in Avengers he didn't know he'd need to survive the vacuum of space to save the world and yet he did. Add in the father surrogate worries and you've got perfect justification. He is impressed with Peter in a lot of ways, it could even be that he sees him as a sort of successor to his own brilliance. Which would be consistent with his character, again, always planning for contingencies. To be quite honest, MCU Tony is Batman levels of paranoid. In the same way that Batman is constantly coming up with contingencies to defeat all the other Justice League members should he have to, Tony is coming up with ways to prevent the destruction of earth from invaders.
Spencer Canfield how is the party scene an implication they broke up? Because he had a dick measuring contest with Thor? Ultron could be the reason but again that wouldn’t be before Ultron. That’d be after. That’s not the obsession Pepper was bothered by. She was bothered by Tony’s obsession with the suits because they were getting in the way of his human interactions (he literally had his suit walking around the house to greet her when she got home instead of doing it himself). She called it a distraction in IM3. This is pushed further by how many suits he made (42). Him obsessing over saving the world wasn’t the problem so it wouldn’t be a likely cause (for at least a viewers perspective) for them to break up. Pepper is just getting, as you put it, pissy because she believes the nanite housing unit is going to be another distraction. That’s why she said, “If you wanted to have another kid you wouldn’t have done that.” It requires human interaction to have a kid. Now you could say that she said that because she was worried about Tony’s safety (that was an issue in IM as she had initially not wanted to be apart of him being Iron Man and she was pleading for Tony to get off the space ship) but then she wouldn’t have specified the nanite housing unit (I’m calling that NHI from now on). I don’t know why you started talking about the likelihood of Tony making the Iron Spider space worthy. I never disagreed with that. But now that you reminded me I’m now realizing how horrible it must be for Tony mentally now that he’s drifting through space in a space ship. I’m sad now. Thanks for that.
For #17, I think it's important to note that because Tony has always been a prideful character, of course he wouldn't want to do anything that makes it even seem like he's running to get Cap's help until he would absolutely have to. He's, essentially, internalized the distance that was made between him and Cap.
To be fair in the movie it does look like Tony was about to call cap. He had his phone out with caps number ready to call and then they heard all that noise coming from out in the street
6:38 The point of that dialogue is to show that Tony doesn't want to call Cap, and the audience can interpretate if that's because he's proud or ashamed (probably the second one). He knows that Cap will help him, but he doesn't want his help right away. At that point he hadn't even seen the threat yet.
I would definitely say his reaction is justified. Regardless of what his feelings are exactly (and personally I think it's a mix of shame and a sense of betrayal), Cap and Tony parted very violently and that letter was hardly an actual apology, more a "I'm sorry you didn't agree with me". Even though it said that he could call anytime he needed, doesn't mean he wants to see the guy who lied to him about his parents and left him in siberia with a disabled suit. Whether you agree with cap or tony im CW and if Tony's violent reaction at the end was justified, I think Tony's reluctance is definitely not out of character.
To me it looks more like he is bracing himself when he just stares at the phone. And then he just forgets about it. For someone like Tony, it is really difficult to swallow his pride.
@Imaru Lewis It's still kind of fucked up that he tells him "the avengers were always more your family than mine" while simultaniously fucking off with all of them except Rhodey (who was permanently injured) and Vision (who later left for Wanda anyway). Also there is that line where he talks about putting trust in individuals, while never really trusting Tony, even though they were supposed to be friends. So even though the letter was written in good faith by Cap, I don't think it's unreasonable for Tony vary of reaching out again, even if it's urgent. And I mean he does. The reason why he doesn't call is because they were interrupted by the arrival of the spaceship. (If I recall correctly)
8:00 The whole not reacting faster thing can easily be explained that they are all in shock and disbelief that this is it. The final battle is here. When they do catch up with reality, they get into gear and start acting accordingly. Makes them seem more human.
I wouldn't call the Iron Spider's abilities 'contrived'. Tony built the suit so that Peter could become an Avenger therefore it follows that they could have had adventures in which they went underwater or into the upper atmosphere where air is thinner necessitating an oxygen pack or something. I have less of an excuse for the parachute over flight one but I do agree that flight isn't really necessary for Spider-Man due to whole 'web-slinging thing' mentioned by one of your colleagues.
Also Tony went in to space/real high up in the air and he fixed his suit to be able to survive in that atmosphere. Why would he leave it out if he already has that for himself?
As for the 'breathe in space' element. It does not seem like something which would be drectly designed in. Rather it is a combination of the suit being pressurised and providing oxygen, which is all you need for space.
@@Modification102 I think being able to breathe in space like the way I think you're implying would be a bit too far-fetched for the MCU. You can't convert nothingness into Air. Air would be more accurate than O2 as we breathe in a lot more than that ergo amending my previous point.
As for how Tony got Peter's measurements for the original suit, in homecoming we see peter put on a loose suit which then shrinks, becoming skin tight. So accurate measurements weren't entirely necessary
24:40 Sorry, but no, not valid. There is no reason to think Tony intended the suit to be specifically spaceworthy. First of all, Peter's not even near space at this point (100 km up), he's just high enough to need an air supply. And it's quite realistic to think Tony would equip the suit with an air supply. It would be useful in a lot of situations for Spider-Man: in a burning building, or in a gas attack. Or, something that's already happened once: if he gets trapped underwater, which, by the way, could perfectly explain why Tony made the upgrade.
Actually there is a reason to think Tony intended the suit to be spaceworthy. Dude has serious PTSD from an alien invasion and having to go into space to save the day. It seems logical for him to build a spaceworthy suit for his surrogate son who is a superhero, in order to protect him just in case.
I don't think you realise how much he cares about Peter's safety. The reason why Tony designed suits for Spiderman in the first place is coz he recruited an actual kid to fight with him on an airport, obviously the first priority for Tony would be to keep the kid safe so he put that kid in a multi million dollar suit that would keep him safe. But then he gave that suit to Peter anyway coz Peter could use that suit for his day to day fighting street level crime while being safe inside that suit & if something happens it would send an alert to Stark & one of Stark's robot/empty suits will come & rescue Peter. I believe he designed the Iron Spider suit for the same reason, that whenever Spiderman would face a bigger threat in the future Tony Stark would've already prepared safety measures to keep Peter as safe as possible.
I always interpreted their hesitation in reacting as less about the noise, and more about the shift in air pressure a ship that large would create when entering the atmosphere like that. It's less about hesitating on danger, and more like "whoa, why did the air get all weird...oh crap" It just takes a moment to process.
Funny how, despite CinemaSins' flaws, if they hadn't been there, they inadvertently helped create actually decent stuff like CinemaWins and these videos.
Yeah but hay even cinenawin is wrong some times it would be cool to see someone miking vids like this analizing there wins >.> at least there last jedi win cause Jeze did they suck that movies dick flaws and all lol.
Ismel Ariosa well Lee (the cinemawins Guy) see’s good in practically every film. I believe he stated on twitter the only films he’ll NEVER do are Pornos, NC-17 films, Freddy got Fingered and Movie 43
Sin 27 actually is in accurate because we have seen in many different ways that Tony has implemented a feature into peters suit that he suffered from not having in the past. Being able to go to space, a heater, a parachute, these are all things Tony needed once but did not have. He implemented them all into peters suit
In regards to the portal sin, sin 26: I think this movie has a perfect excuse to not show them try stuff like that, since right before the fight against Thanos, Doctor Strange looks at millions of possible futures. So that means it is highly likely that he knows that any possible "why didn't he try X" scenario we can come up with will not work.
The problem with that defense is that it really doesn’t hold up. While he did see 14 million + outcomes, and only one where they win doesn’t rule out the option that there were other outcomes that they win (for example, the hand situation), Dr.Strange could have just not had enough time to see other viable win paths.
Mufti_Menk That And I think trying to get Thanos’ hand into a portal is quite difficult. He uses it to fight so it takes a great deal of timing to cut off his hand with a portal. Their main goal was to secure Thanos and take off the Infinity Gauntlet so everyone was working on that plan (which was probably the plan Stange knew was going to work)so it wouldn’t make sense to cut off his hand imo. And the easiest explanation might be that he just didn’t think of it (Wong cutting off Cull Obsidian’s hand seemed more like an accident, and Strange wasn’t there to witnesses it, so it might just not have occurred to him that cutting of Thanos’ hand was an option)
@@vodfives5555 I thought the plan that would work was: 1) Try to take the gauntlet and fail. 2) Trade the Time Stone of Tony's life. 3) Tony goes on to defeat Thanos and resurrect everyone in the sequel. From that perspective, trying to cut off Thanos' hand before the snap might have caused Thanos to kill Tony before Strange could make the bargain and thus prevent their eventual victory.
Regarding sin #27 - one could say that the Iron Spider suit was not made for Spidey to be able to go to space, but rather to continue breathing where there is no oxygen. Given that Tony had to have Peter pulled out of the river, I’d say it is classic Tony to ensure that he never has the same problem twice.
5:52 Yes. Stark's hesitation to contact Steve is questionable,. But I would argue that it's not out of character, per se. Tony is well known for making questionable decisions, especially if he feels stressed. In addition, I think they needed to make sure Banner found out what happened. However, I do think it would've been more *realistic* if he hadn't said that, and they cut to the part where he's looking at the phone and trying to work up the courage to call Cap, and wondering what to say. Great video, as always! Edit: THANK YOU. Finally, someone brings up the spider-sense scene in Civil War. Everyone seems to have forgotten about that.
Zing Zaber Well, for one thing, he made Ultron on a whim, and then decided to try *again* with Vision. I’m not saying that was WRONG, but from an in universe perspective it was definitely questionable. I didn’t forget Civil War, I meant that I was glad he brought up the fact that the spider-sense was shown in Civil War because I’ve noticed a lot of move-critiquing channels talking like it’d never been used in the MCU before Infinity War. And I don’t think he wouldn’t, but it would need to come up naturally. So, the writers created a scenario where it came up naturally. Hope that answers your questions! 🙂
Zing Zaber That was the point Jay made in his video. Again, I don’t think it was necessarily out of character, but he’d just had it explained to him that this was about saving the known universe from a super powerful space dude, but then he was like, “Eh. I don’t know if I should call him.” When that is precisely the kind of thing Steve had said to contact him for.
@@CalebJMartin Well he didn't know the threat was literally gonna show up a second later 😂. And he probably wasn't hesitating because he wasn't gonna call him, he just wasn't emotionally ready after two years of no contact.
CSJ calling Thor's landing on the windshield "convenient" and "illogical" is positively loopy considering how much the whole Thor series has (a) played with notions of fate and destiny; and, (b) constantly, relentlessly gagged up smooshing Thor's face against (plexi-)glass. It happened in the New Mexico hospital; it happened against the Gherkin; it happened against the underside of Valkyrie's ship; it even happened again later in Infinity War after Thor lit up the rings of Nidavellir and his face crashed against the pod. The MCU just *loves* pushing Hemsworth's face up against glass. It's past being a recurring motif at this point and more of a comic fetish. (Same goes for Thor getting stunned/electrocuted.) So, of course, it's practically fated that Thor would be discovered that way-- and within this universe, perfectly comically logical.
Further point about the Groot one: It seemed pretty thematically solid in Guardians 2 that the crew are essentially a family (Vin Diesel likes those!) and so, let's consider who Groot's 'parents' are. Well, Mantis was traumatized and is more in need of care than a caregiver. Gamora had a similarly traumatic upbringing, we can assume she'd be willing to show some affection to groot, but she wouldn't know how to connect with him too well. Drax DOES have experience as a father, however, his species is very psychologically different from humans. Specifically, his species seems to struggle to understand non-literal ideas or phrases. This means that the play their children engage in is almost certainly very different from the sort that a human would, and the fact that we see Groot playing an age-appropriate game means that Groot is likely more like a human child than a (whatever Drax is). The primary caregiver appears to be Rocket, he's the one who's most invested in Groot's safety, and the one that Groot seems most emotionally attached to. Rocket is a hard-nosed bounty hunter who, while he clearly cares for his best friend/son, really would have no experience or ideas about rearing children. So, who WOULD have the best ideas and capability to raise a child? Peter Quill. Who, as we know, is obsessed with Earth culture, and 1980s pop-culture ephemera in particular. While we can't know what gaems exist in space and how you access them, we CAN know that the person we can most logically expect to be tasked with providing Groot toys and entertainment is one who is likely to share toys from his own childhood.
Also, MCU is based on the comics, and in the comics there's six infinity gems. You could argue that MCU doesn't have to be comic accurate, and you'd be rate, but I don't see a point in changing the number of the stones. Like, the best reason I can think off is that they want to cut it down just to three, because introducing all six stones would take too much time, but MCU clearly had enough time to set up five of them, and they had no issue setting up another sixth stone in Infinity War.
@@cowmanthe3rd Yes, but there's no reason to make them 4 or 8 stones in the movie. It's based on the Infinity Gauntlet storyline, in which there's 6 stones.
@Warney Disner I don't think MCU should be accurate to the comics, but with the infinity stones there's absolutely no reason to be unfaithful when it comes to the number of them. There's nothing wrong with there being 6 stones. Like, I would complain if there was like 27 of them, because that would be too much.
@@HiperPivociarz Oh, I agree completely, I was just providing the information that there is a precedent for different numbers of stones in different storylines.
The main thing is that originally there was one Soul Gem, given to Adam Warlock by the High Evolutionary. Later, they wanted to do an epic story, so there were suddenly 6 soul gems so there was something to collect. About 15 years after that, Jim Starlin expanded things again (also having introduced the 6 gems) that 5 of them weren't 'soul gems', so he had to justify those 6.
There is another problem with the 'Spider-man gave up his secret identity' sin. Even in the incredibly unlikely event that someone saw Peter's face, him getting recognized would rely on every person in New York being able to recognize Peter Parker at a glance, which seems...impossible. Hell, Justice League Unlimited had a scene that played that exact scenario as a joke.
Theres a moment early(?) in homecoming showing the suit is oversized and then shrinks down to fit peter [when he gets changed in an alley], Tony could've pulled data from that suit to then make the iron spider suit, or the suit just adjusts to fit on its own.
I agree! The IS is part nanotech, and Tony's nano regenerates and creates huge other items out of what the user wants. The fit definitely isn't worth any actual criticism. The constricting aspect of the first suit that Tony makes Peter also means that data could be fed in. Misplaced critique
I think it actually is not a mistake that Tony still would be on the fence about calling Cap even if he is going to help. Tony has been shown even during this to still have a lot of insecurities with his emotional state and it's understandable that he wouldn't just go "ok I'll call him" at the first opportunity. Tony and Cap's fight was about his dead parents for fucks sake. It's enough emotional motivation for Tony and in Tony's context for him to be on the fence about calling Cap.
The real problem with Bruce finding Tony's phone is actually that Tony dropped the phone in Strange's Sanctum. That's where Bruce should have been at. Much easier to believe that Bruce would find his way back there after the battle. Especially since he wasn't sent away very far by Strange in the first place.
23:32 Yeah (the one guys who says it but I can't be bothered to find his name is right), the suit does sort of shrink down in a one size fits all kinda way, which we see in homecoming.
I think the thing about spidey sense a lot of people forget is just because the sense is triggered doesn't just mean Peter auto reacts, it's not Ultra Instinct. His body isn't moving on its own. It's still up to Peter to react to what it's alerting him to, and he's still pretty new at the super hero thing
Sin 26: yeah, but Dr Strange saw the future and would know if it would work, and Thanos knowing Strange could cut off his hand would probably result in his death. Then, someone else on Titan might have died in his place during the Decimation, meaning either Nebula or Tony would die, and the universe would be screwed
29:12 Jokes on you, I actually won the ethiopean national lottery without playing. Now I just need to send them my bank data and I will get my 20 millions in the next few weeks.
21:46 there’s also the point that, when overseeing all those timelines, Strange saw that he did try a portal offence and it didn’t work. Considering 14,000,000+ timelines, he should have tried it at least once. That’s a great way to explain away why he didn’t try certain strategies.
JTM Machine I think the people (not you) who say “why didn’t dr strange use portals to beat Thanos” are ignoring the fact that Thanos has an item in his gauntlet that literally lets him control space. How do they think he can be beaten with a portal?
Or when he says strange can literally move his portal to put his whole self through and teleport Thanos else where he has a stone that lets him teleport and Thanos has really really thick skin I don’t how powerful the portal is but I don’t think it’s be able to cut through his skin in time before Thanos does soemthing
Doctor Strange actually makes a sword out of the same material the portals are made of and Thanos grabs it with his bare hand. This means the portal probably wouldn't have cut through his arm. Regarding the Time Stone, I always thought he was done manipulating time because of the "consequences" everyone was on about in his solo flick. Also, what implied Banner found the phone quickly or easily? That's just where we pick up with him since we saw him last.
For Clarification: That's Cull Obsidian AKA Black Dwarf not Killer Croc Also, Spider-Man's suit doesn't fly because Tony told Peter to "stay close to the ground".
If you really think about it the MCU's human race has the greatest capacity for technological advancements. The Earth is like a tech dump for alien stuff. Not only the chitauri came and left behind a lot of stuff but don't forget about the dark elves in thor the dark world who's ship also crashed in london leaving a lot of tech behind. From captain marvel we learn that another alien race The Skrulls came to earth and seems like they lost some tech too. It's not crazy to assume that people around the world and in time collected all the wrecks and reversed engineered everything. All the story needed to make the nanobots believable in that unviverse is there. Not to mention it might somehow be related to age of ultron's scene with hawkeye and the end credits of black panther.
Before anybody say anything about Dr Strange not doing something: He did. There is a scene explaining how he used Time Stone to (probably) archive long-term victory. It's very clever solution from writers btw, as it's not forced and builds theories for next part. Also Thanos has Space Stone. He can teleport himself, so he can avoid any portals from magic users.
Squidward sending in Big Croc Daddy first is just how tactics work, you keep your best assets in reserve until you know they are needed. No need to risk your top talent on some shmucks, but they gotta be there in case they are needed. Its the same tactic Thanos has been using the entire time, ramping up his efforts and sending in more powerful assets based on resistance.
23:51 in homecoming Peter almost drowns in a river! You’d think tony stark (being the revolutionary he is) would make Peters next suit with an oxygen supply. (Edit= I made the time code more accurate)
You could argue that Peter's always had his spidey-sense, but maybe he wasn't entirely understanding the feeling. Even when he looks at his arm hairs on the bus, he has this kind of "What the hell is that?" look on his face. He isn't entirely used to all of his powers yet.
About the addendum for sin #7. There is a deleted scene for Infinity War where Happy is chasing off paparazzi from Tony, so I do believe the writers did think of a way to solve this plot hole, but the explanation got cut for time restraints.
royal junior you‘re partly right. Not all energy is matter, but energy and mass are equivalent. That‘s the meaning behind E = m*c^2 I‘m not sure about modern physical nomenclature, if physicists say that „matter *is* energy“ or „matter *stores* energy“ or whatever, but all matter can be completely reduced to energy.
Donque Shot One can control matter and energy separately though, is that not true? And although they can be transferred into one another, that does not mean they have the same properties on a basic level.
Dyn Awesome well, both matter and energy bend spacetime and are affected by bent spacetime, so for the purposes of General Relativity (i. e. modern theory of gravity) they are pretty much the same. Also, a lot of the energy you see in everyday life is stored in matter. Consider the sun: here, 4 hydrogen atoms combine to form one helium atom, which weighs slightly less than the input. This difference is released as energy. In theory, you would see the same with burning gasoline, although the difference would be minuscule. That phenomenon is called „mass defect“.
The fig newtons thing is a reference to the film Talladega Nights. The sin you analyzed the most in this video is the one you didn't need to analyze at all.
So in other words....Jeremy makes a pop culture reference that isn't a sin of the film cliche. Speaking of Birdman, his Infinity War Sins parody might explain the "Space" sin. Assuming the CinemaSins guys are familiar with him.
21:06 "We are given no actual reason that his final solution against dormamu wouldn't work on Thanos" Actually, we are given that. In Doctor Strange. The reason why he can loop Dormamu is because he brought time into a timeless dimension, therefore he can control it and loop it. He can't do that against Thanos.
Considering that he made a suit for Peter with full AI, internet capacity, and advanced web-changes... I think the suit probably took his measurements every time he put the suit on. It would make sense for Tony to do it, too!
On sin 26, the "why didnt doctor strange cut off thanos' hand with a portal?" question. Banner told strange that thanos had the space and power stone already. Strange has extensive knowledge of the infinity stones and would know what powers will and wont work against them. The space stone, as we see in the movie, can open and close portals to anywhere in the universe, and since its and infinity stone, we can assume this power is infinite, or close to. Therefore I think we can assume the space stone can negate any portal based attacks if they were attempted. And given that strange knows he has the space stone theres no reason he would try an attack he knows wouldnt work. Also the time stone issue is talked about as well. The eye of agamoto has to be opened for the time stone to be used, leaving it vulnerable to thanos if strange were to use it for an attack. Until strange gives up the stone for Tony it is well established that protecting the stone is his key goal, so making the stone vulnerable by attacking with it wouldn't fit with his character goals.
Sorry for being late, I just love hypothetical discussions. "I think we can assume the space stone can negate any portal based attacks if they were attempted" I don't think this is correct. As far as I'm aware, none of the stones showed any kind of power without being consciously used. Thanos closes his fist for every single usage of any of the stones. So I think assuming that the space stone has some kind of passive ability is a bit far fetched. I would agree that an attack like this wouldn't work against a conscious Thanos, as he could just use the stones to stop it. But there is a scene within the fight where he is unconscious after all. When Mantis puts him to sleep. Strange is pulling on his right arm in that scene, if I remember correctly - a task that doesn't really seem necessary. That would've been the perfect instance to cut off either his arm or better his head.
@@Lindbluete sorry for being late but before strange meets thanks for the first time he saw multiple possible futures, one is clearly where he didn't open a portal, strange probably just wanted to follow the EXACT same thing that happened in the future he saw where he didn't use the portal, he probably thought it was to risky to try to change one thing in his vision he saw
I think that all of the seemingly random features of Spider-Man's suit (oxygen supply, resistance to the extremes of space, and parachute) all actually make sense. 1. Oxygen supply - there are multiple environments here on Earth, such as burning buildings or underwater, where rescue teams need their own oxygen supply. These are situations which Peter could absolutely find himself in when helping people around the city. 2. Extremes of space - the Spider-Man suit is almost certainly built from the same-level quality of materials as Iron Man's own suits, and we already know that his suits protect him from this environment. 3. Parachute - It seems very reasonable that Tony would include redundant and diverse safety features to keep Peter safe, and a parachute makes a lot of sense to add in as a safety feature for someone who spends a lot of time in high locations that they could fall/get punched off of. Also, unlike jets, a parachute can work even if Peter is incapacitated, unconscious, seriously injured, etc. Also also, as we have seen with Tony while he first learned to use his Iron Man suits, jets require a lot more training and practice in their use than an parachute does. So overall I think all if these features are perfectly reasonable features to have in the Spider-Man suit. Do we have explicit confirmation that this is why those features were there? No, but I don't think that the presence of these features is contrived given their utility in scenarios Peter could likely face on Earth.
That one about spiderman getting out of the bus... There's so much wrong with it. Like you said, it's still unlikely people saw him. Also half of everyone died shortly after. Also, there's a big donut in the sky distracting people. Also Peter was rushing to get to the fight, he just placed a lower priority on his secret identity at the moment because you know, apocalypse
"Space" sin is about how Jeremy assumes that title is in reference to their videos and how they sin them. He is literally so high up on his horse he thinks million dollar businesses are referencing his "jokes".
I like how in sin 27 they show they're so self-centered that they think a mega-corporation as large as Disney cares about a couple people known for whining about the tiniest of details out of the millions of people who do the same thing already.
Hey, Jay. I'm pretty sure I can make sense of sin 30 for you. Part 1: We acknowledge that they didn't only do this as a response to our criticism. If they had, that would be a sin. But they didn't. Part 2: I wish that they had done this as a response to our criticism. They clearly aren't listening to our advise, and that's a sin. I think that's what Jeremy is getting at here. I could be wrong, but this totally seems like something CS would do. "We recognize that this isn't a sin, but we're sinning it anyway hecause (insert self-referential joke here)."
The Iron Spider doesn't need to fly because Peter has webbing to get him up in the air. It does need a parachute because Peter could run out of his webbing at the most inconvenient time.
We just gonna ignore the fact that thanos had the space stone the and reality stone which means it wouldn't work due to the fact that he can just use the reality stone or space stone to stop this from happening idk which stone he can you use but he can use one of them
The “how did Tony get peters sizes for the iron spider suit” sigh I mean pretty much all the tech Tony has made since iron man 2 seemed capable of resizing itself to some degree and Tony has AI Technically the film doesn’t explain it but you could equally sin the film on any issue that isn’t directly answered in the film then.
Also the Doctor Strange sin isn't fair. Whatsoever. He confirms he saw only ONE course of action for them to win - When he snaps into dust he tells Tony "this was the only way". Or whatever somesuch. Which confirms he already tried the timelines where he uses other magic, portal movement included, vs Thanos, and it didn't net them a win. He proceeded with the one timeline that would -eventually- (in Endgame) lead to the win. You both make an unfair sin / arguement.
20:23 I feel like the threshold for belief in advanced versions of real world science should be higher than actual magic and gamma monsters. How is anything Tony has built any less believable than anything else in this movie? Jeremy's problem with Black Panther also isn't that he doesn't believe in the tech, just that he wants it pointlessly explained and feels the movie doesn't do that because Vibranium bypasses that(and not that very few movies would stop dead in its tracks to explain its tech's development cycle for an extended period of time). 23:42 Exactly this. The first suit has that function as whenever Peter presses the spider emblem it grows so he can slip out of it. There's more fabric than you'd think but it can shrink to fit him(and probably anyone). After that Peter would probably give Tony his social security number, nevermind his measurements. 24:00 Not really a plot contrivance. Every Iron Man suit has been space worthy since the Mark III. This was a plot point in Iron Man 1. Sure the Iron Spider suit can't fly or anything, but worm holes are a thing in the MCU and it's better safe than sorry that Peter won't encounter people throwing him around the universe with a flick of their wrist, especially since Tony has PTSD about _this exact thing_. 24:50 Homecoming showed that the stuff in Peter's suit(now suits) is less stuff Tony thinks he needs and more just cool tech Tony wanted to test out and play around with, that's why it's a grabbag. He was interested in Peter's webbing so he made like 30,000 variations. He just made a nanobot suit so he gave Peter some of its applications. He's already perfected flight in his suits so he wasn't interested in it enough to put it in Peter's new suit.
Well actually peter almost drowned in a lake in homecoming(which tony saved him with a suit so he definetly noticed) so it would actually make a lot of sense for the iron spider suit to have an air supply
27:38 "I have a Steam library of 26 whole games" Ahh, the privilege of not being a greedy moron who buys more games in sales than you could ever reasonably play
Tony may have put the ability for the suit to withstand space as a better safe than sorry scenario but didn't give the suit access to fly as to not encourage Peter going to space if the situation called.
If you actually make synonymsins, you should make a video on the word "since" since it means the sane thing as because, and because it sounds like the word "sins".
15:05 bruh. Killer Croc is a DC villain. That's Cull Obsidian 21:56 here is my argument as to why the portal cutting off the arm was never used again. 1st. Wong did it by accident and he never saw Thanos again until Endgame. He couldn't tell Strange because he had to go back to guard the sanctum. He couldn't phone in via astral plane because he would still have to know where Strange is and he clearly didn't know he was in space. Second, Wong probably can't throw portals. It's probably a sorcerer supreme thing. Lastly, portals are meant for travel. Cutting off Cull's arm was an accident. That would be like an assassin trying to get away in a car and accidentally hitting somebody, then their friend says, "hey instead of sniping your next target, just hit them with your car". As for why he didn't cut off Thanos' arm in Endgame. Thanos didn't have the gauntlet for most of the fight so he didn't see it as a priority to get in there and cut his arms off.
I honestly don’t think that there’s an issue with Spider-Man’s suit being space worthy. Tony had PTSD about the nuke he carried into space through the portal in Avengers 1, then he had even more fear of a threat from space brought up by the visions in Avengers 2. It makes sense that his subsequent armours would have space worthy technology. Spider-Man has as much reason to go to space as iron man does
Adding to that-We know Tony's the type of character who struggles with failure and letting go of past mistakes, sometimes it's beneficial and sometimes we get Ultron, but considering we get to see his first major flight attempt end with his prototype suit failing when it can't handle the environmental conditions in space it's probably safe to assume that every single suit Tony has made since then has at least the bare essential requirements needed to withstand being in an icy vacuum devoid of oxygen. Hell he probably still beat himself up over it every time he space proofed a suit from then on.
While I 100% agree with your point, I actually think there's a far more simple explanation: Both of their suits are made of the same nanotech, therefore if Tony made his own suit space-worthy (which he absolutely would, given your point) it would automatically make Peter's space-worthy as well.
There’s also one other thing people are forgetting: if something is water proof it’s space-proof. At least if it’s built to stand enough water pressure. Peter already fell into water and had to be rescued by Tony once, it’s possibly Tony had the idea and went nuts with it, with the added side effect of making it space-worthy.
I also think that iron man might have just made the suit really well? like to protect peter from a bunch of stuff, because there's no way he's going to predict what peter will be up against, and I don't think it would be that difficult for him, considering his and peter's suit are both presumably made of the same nanotech, so it would merely be a matter of programming peter's suit to protect him
Yeah definitely, also it just makes sense to make his suit self contained like the iron man suits, it's just better than not haha
War machines was, it's why they took his mask off after his arc reactor was damaged before his fall
Also any nitpicks about Strange not using X or Y against Thanos are circumvented by the fact he already saw the 14 million possibilities, so everything we saw him do was what lead to the 1 successful timeline, namely Thanos initially winning, he also knew Peter would lose his cool and punch him
I'm sure quite a few of those scenarios had them portal his hand off, but thanos still ended up succeeding
I always read Tony saying “we’re not on speaking terms,” as him conveying that he is uncomfortable calling on Cap. He feels that he can’t do it because of their emotional baggage, it’s not that he believes Cap would refuse his call despite having been given a phone that could call Cap.
By the same token, “if you need me, I’ll be there,” wasn’t just Cap saying “I agree to help if the world is ever in danger again.” He was indeed saying “it’s okay to call me if you want to get burgers down town.” That why it was both vague and specific at the same time. “If YOU need me” is about Tony specifically. What’s left vague is any possible reason why Tony might need Cap.
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the homecoming suit is designed to be very loose and then contracts around the wearer to fit, and the iron spider suit is nanotech that forms around peter's body. so in both cases it's unnecessary for tony to physically take peter's measurements.
thank you for this comment because i had the same thought
Oh yeah! the bit where Peter has it all floppy in Homecoming, I completely forgot about that. I need to rewatch that movie.
I didn't even think about that. What I was thinking was that since his suit from homecoming could adjust to his size, the suit got his measurements then and that's how Tony got them. But your explanation makes more sense.
Is the iron spider suit nanotech? Tony’s suit wasn’t in homecoming, and I thought that he developed the nanotech by then
Exactly!
This is a perfect example of a loose end where the film -- Homecoming in this case -- goes out of their way to insert a scene that gives everyone the explanation they wanted, and it gets IGNORED anyway. By several nit pickers. Repeatedly.
Lindsay Ellis covered this really well in her criticism of the Beauty and the Beast live action remake trying to fill in TH-camr "plot holes [sic]" th-cam.com/video/vpUx9DnQUkA/w-d-xo.html
Movies should NOT try to fill in the phony "plot holes" of this type of TH-cam nitpickers. It doesn't make stories better, and it's a fool's errand to even try to satisfy their ilk. They pretend they're better at noticing errors than the average mainstream movie watcher, when in fact they're both worse at it, and acting in bad faith. There are plot holes, gaffes, loose ends, boom mikes in the shot that do matter, and there are those that don't, and the CinemaSins mentality doesn't tell you which are which.
Quick note on the “why is groot playing that game” sin.
He’s acting like a teenager in this one, and his whole vibe is ‘kid who is over at a relative’s house and bored’
a neat detail i like is that as a guardian of the galaxy, he's playing defender
"Crocodile Daddy seems to be subservient to Squidward", as a sentence, gave me whiplash and stole my lunch money
"This is a part _one_ ! Watch part _one_ here:"
Yeah, you should correct it.
Oof
That’s not even killer croc it’s black dwarf
Latrodecta Hespara Actually he said “Daddy Crocodile” not “Crocodile Daddy” there.
Pizza Time yeah I was disappointed in this guy. He seems to do his research but can’t tell killer croc is dc even though one of the first things that popped up in the search was “suicide squad- killer croc” and “Arkham series”
Something to add to your correction of "Tony Stark isn't recognizable, wtf?" sin: it is more common than a lot of people would realize that the actual person and the celebrity version of the person can be perceived drastically differently by passers-by. One story that stuck with me was a journalist doing an interview with Mel Gibson (pre-crazy-rant) while he was doing errands, watched him "put on a ratty jacket and a hat and visibly turn off the charm" and he was apparently just unrecognizable enough that when he got his license renewed, the only comment was from the clerk and was along the lines of "Huh, Mel Gibson, like the actor. You look kinda like him!"
In the scene, Tony is wearing a hoodie and looks kind of disheveled, as opposed to his public appearances in bespoke suits and designer sunglasses. Combine that he's like *the* generic white guy profile (dark hair, medium build) and the one distinguishing feature from the first films (his unique beard style) got copied by a lot of people after previous movies... I think that this is one of those situations where reality is stranger than fiction.
Similar stories abound re: Marilyn Monroe, who did an interview where she was meek and timid, stood hunched over, etc... and then when the interviewer acted confused (and many people passed them by without remark) she asked "Do you want to see... *her*?" and then changed her posture and put on a smile and suddenly people realized that Marilyn Monroe was standing right there.
And finally, tons of celebrities who are no-longer relevant will end up losing costume/look-alike contests that they enter in. Examples include Charlie Chaplin not even qualifying for a Charlie Chaplin look-alike contest, and Dolly Parton being told she looked nothing like herself in a Dolly Parton look-alike contest.
How about all the times people have told Tony Hawk that his name is the same as the famous skater, and not realized it was him?
@@Paladin1034 I was waiting for this reply lol
Correction: Charlie Chaplin came twenty-seventh in the first Charlie Chaplin look-alike contest he entered, and third in the last one he entered.
I agree with the logic here but tony’s reactor emblem thingy in his chest is quite visible
Henry Cavill has dressed as Clark Kent and stood in Times Square.
No one batted an eye.
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I have to disagree here. The whole reason the time loop worked against Dormammu is because his Dark Dimension is specifically described as being without time (Kaecilius saying that it's without time is the exact thing that gives Strange the idea for the loop). Dormammu existing outside of time, and then having time brought to him meant that when Strange went through the loop again, Dormammu was aware that everything was repeating and demanded he be set free, making him willing to bargain.
Thanos on the other hand, comes from a dimension with time. If Strange set up another time loop, Thanos wouldn't know until Strange told him, and he'd have to tell him each loop. The whole point of trapping Dormammu in the loop was to force him to bargain for release, since he remembered each loop. If Thanos was stuck in a loop, he wouldn't know it like Dormammu would and thus wouldn't care how many times he had to go through it to get what he wants. Also, I feel like Thanos is probably the type of guy to murder everyone else on Titan and then torture Strange into breaking the loop rather than abandon his life's mission.
That is an impressively thorough response.
Let's also not forget that Strange could've trapped himself in the loop as well, even in his own movie he seems completely unaware that he's in his own loop until Dormammu asks him what's going on, at which point he realizes he's in a loop. If he caught Thanos in the loop they could be stuck there in a very delicate state, in which any interference and attempt to break the loop could break it in Thanos' favour, at which point he gets what he wants anyway.
@@lich109 iirc Strange set up a counter on his wrist before or just as he entered the dark dimension. So he was aware that he was in a time loop, but it is possible that without a counter, he wouldn't be able to keep track of its progression.
@@albericponcedeleon2696 Exactly what I'm getting at, before Dormammu asks him what's going on he doesn't seem to know he did this before and died once.
@@lich109 I thought he was asking what's going on because he didn't understand how Strange had set up the loop, not because he didn't realize he was looping, but I realize either one makes sense frankly. Why would Dormammu realize something was wrong if he didn't also realize he was looping?
I think there are 6 stones because there are six questions:
Who what when where why and how.
Who: Soul
What: Reality
When: Time
Where: Space
Why: Mind
How: Power
I don't think that is why there are six stones, I don't think that is the intended symbolism of the number of the stones
Probably not the reason why, but nice connection!
Probably not the intended connection, but I love how well it fits so A+ on a fan interpretation, and don't forget plenty of canon lore has been based on fan theories and reactions and interpretations :)
this is literally the best reason i have ever seen for why there are six stones, regardless of weather it was originally intended or not, this is my new headcanon
But why would not be mind. Why would be Gamora.
On the whole 'why would Tony think Spidey needs to go to space?' thing. The guy has ptsd from an alien invasion.
ALIENS, y'know FROM SPACE.
Seriously, the dude has been preparing for something like this since IM3, it's why he created Ultron, etc. Of course he's going to take into consideration that the kid he's mentoring might need some kind of space suit function (on the assumption Tony would be with him and could fly him up to the space ship if it came down to it).
Exactly.
I'd also add that to me it seems like the iron spider suit was generally made to have the base functions of an Ironman suit, while taking into account Spidey's personal hero aesthetic.
It doesn't seem farfetched to think Tony would include base functions like filtering air, being bullet proof, just general layers of protection that the Ironman suit would have too, and which could be useful in different kinds of situations beyond going to space. He'd probably hold back on the more advanced functions, and then substitute the ones that make more sense in the Spidey aesthetic, in this case web slinging and the spider legs instead of flight.
I don't think the movie should take time out to explain this, really, but none of the functions seemed far fetched to me considering that it seemed pretty clear that the iron spider suit would be based off the ironman suit.
Having a logical reason for the suit to have been designed for space travel just raises even more questions about why it doesn't have rockets or other flight mechanism. Generally he web slings from buildings when he's on Earth yes, but there aren't exactly a lot of buildings in space and outside of the asteroid belt it would probably be a shot in the dark, possibly literally, on whether there was anything to web Sling from or not at all. Heck even regular real life space suits have some kind of propulsion system don't they?
@@nexus6100 To be fair we dont know if it did have any propulsion system. He puts on the suit, goes inside and then fights on Titan. He never really needed to use any thing other than the extra legs
Also, if I remember correctly, there was a bit in homecoming where he flew too high (because of latching onto the vulture or something) and had difficulty breathing because of the high altitude.... so it wouldn't be too far-fetched that Tony would develop something as a result, and possibly one thing led to another and he just built a suit that could withstand further altitudes, etc
But Idk just a thought
Beyond the “Tony has PTSD from a space invasion” and “Tony almost died in his own suit from lack of atmosphere in the first movie and it was one of the first mods he made,” as both of reasons why he might have made Peter’s suit able to survive no atmosphere ... Peter also almost died in his first movie because he stuck himself to a plane ✈️ One of Tony’s planes no less, after Tony has taken the suit from him. We’re clearly told Tony feels responsible for Peter’s safety. Given that Peter could encounter lack of air while stuck to the outside of a plane (or fall off), I think it’s totally logical that would be something Tony would add to his suit, even if he didn’t have space in mind.
But flight suits arent space suits
@@SageOfLimitlessHands it gets harder to breathe the higher you go and you go pretty high when you fly
@@vicool217 Okay but flight suits arent space suits
@@SageOfLimitlessHands he flew into space in the first avengers movie
@@johnymustacio His suit wasnt space worthy though. That is why it malfunctioned once he passed through the portal
21:09 that’s because thanos is affected by time. Dormammu wasn’t, so he was aware of the loop. Time rewinds with him AND Doctor Strange, so it’d just be strange suffering and Thanos just doing the same thing over and over without realizing that time is repeating.
If strange is aware of the loop due to the ability to percieve time, surely thanos would be as well.
Rather it would give thanos infinite chances to take the stone from strange.
It works on dormammu because he cannot percieve time. Dormammu is timeless, so each loop would be his first albeit with a massive case of deva vu.
@@Modification102 I thought the whole thing was that Dormammu is timeless, so the existed through the loops, while people in time would repeat the same time without realizing. Also I'd think that the reason Strange was aware of the time loop was because he was the one who created the time loop. Thanos has no special powers(other than strength and intelligence) without the stones, so no reason for him to be able to perceive the time loop.
Modification How would Thanos be able to perceive it? He doesn’t have the time stone, and he isn’t timeless like Dormammu.
John Chi i thought the reason why Strange could tell it was a loop was because time in general does not exist in Dormamus dimension.
It would of course make sense if it was because he made it, but i thought he would also not be affected by time since he was in Dormomus dimension.
@@Sondrebol The time stone would be pretty useless if it also affected the user, it would mean that as soon as you use it you would just go back in time and repeat whatever you already did forever so I think it's safe to assume it doesn't affect the user.
I love how Jeremy found Tony's nanobots unbelievable, in a scene with literally 2 wizards, 2 aliens, a guy that turns into a giant green rage monster, a stone that controls time and a boy with spider powers
And that's only accounting for what's in that one confrontation. I don't know how he handle the rest of the movie. Gods, an android, the other stones, the talking raccoon and tree etc. 😂
i think you misunderstood cinemasins' video and jay exci's video.
yeah you could absolutely believe it's weird for them to single that out as unrealistic. but since they've seemingly been consistent about it, there's nothing saying they can't hold the opinion that nanobot technology like that shouldn't have been attained yet (or so easily) in this setting. weird creatures and magic existing doesn't contradict that. since it's a question of how believable they find it that stark managed to develop such tech before the movie took place. not that advanced nanobot armor could exist under any circumstances, just within the circumstances the series has established around that character. though the video raised many legitimate reasons to disagree with cinemasins opinion, that opinion wasn't delegitimized.
i personally believe that a giant sudden release of alien information should've taken them longer to decode and reconstruct so effectively. however that hinges on each individuals estimation of something unknowable. such as how effective you think earth's supercomputers are and how much effort a task like this would require. which depends on your personal impression of these things as presented in the story. especially since the information that's been released about how all the technology work has been limited and relatively ambiguous (which is fair, just to be clear).
in other words i don't think it's weird or invalid for them to single that out. though that doesn't mean their assessment is good and accurate either.
One slight critique about the how slowly they (Strange, Wong, Stark, and Banner) all left the Sanctum Sanctorum. While you gave good reasons for why Strange, Wong, and Banner wouldn't leave quickly, you kind of agreed with CinemaSins that Stark should be faster, which is somewhat fair because he is a superhero. However, he's a superhero with serious PTSD. PTSD about an alien invasion in New York. Specifically, an invasion orchestrated by the same tyrannical threat Tony was just told is on its way. If anything, it's surprising to me that he moved as quickly as he did.
Infact he was having a reaction already in that scene before they noticed anything.
Yes! I completely agree with this
Just left the same comment before I saw yours
And they are all a bit "nerdy" characters, with Banner even being somewhat of a coward, so it makes sense they wouldn't dive head deep into trouble without having a moment to consider options.
MapleBear I interpret it as Tony being the one who’s doing hero work the most frequently, and thus went out first because it’s his job to investigate trouble and stop it if necessary.
I was surprised by the Stan Lee sin, not because it was there, because they're MUCH harder on his cameos.
What do you mean?
@@diegodunn-humphrey512 Cinema Sins notoriously HATES the Stan Lee cameos, even going forth in their second channel at the time, in detail, in how they don't like them.
@@GenerationWest WHAT! why on earth would they hate Stan Lee?
CinemaSins hates it when anybody other than themselves has a running theme/gag.
@@Naokarma CimemaSins hating someone else for doing a running theme/gag deus ex cliche would be great at CinemaSins!
Just wanted to mention about the Spiderman suit measurements: it's been established in Homecomming that the suit fits any size by the way Peter is seen putting it on and because of the fact that Ned wears it
Agreed. I think the real sin should be if Tony is capable of creating this form fitting one size fits all clothing, why doesn't he make the hulk a pair of pants?
@@deathdude360 that's probably what hulk is wearing in endgame
@@SozBoz doesn't he have pants like that in Ultron can't quite remember
@@loganmatthews5956 *googles ''hulk age of ultron pants''*
yup.
@@deathdude360
Watch Age of Ultron. Tony designed, stretchy pants are there.
“Don’t think of the Doritos you’ve lost because really you’ve gained them” Truly the most inspiring words spoken this decade.
Tony Stark is the first one that steps out of the house so it does stay in line with their motivations. He may not be quick to respond but responded first. He also doesn't know too much of the situation and is caught off guard.
Exactly. They all noticed *wind* LOL. Why would they respond any quicker? As soon as they heard/saw people screaming they leapt into action. Not a valid complaint at all in my opinion.
And ptsd is a doozie
And jumping into danger without thinking is kind of dumb
@@zingzaber6989 Lol exactly, people expect Tony Stark to immediately go out & save the day even though all he had heard was slight wind noises. In fact he was having a reaction already in that scene before all the other three had noticed anything.
@@z7983
Right, completely baseless criticism.
About the SPACE title card - it was used to clue the audience in to the fact that the next scene was going to involve the Guardians of the Galaxy - a bit of pre-hype, if you will.
Also rule of funny
I think it's perfectly reasonable that Tony would make Peter's Iron Spider suit space-worthy - Tony's been traumatized by space since the Chitauri invasion, that was the Avengers' first mission together, and that was supposed to be Peter's Avengers suit. Tony would absolutely make Peter's suit space-worthy, because space is a problem the Avengers have faced before, and one that almost killed Tony personally.
(Sorry if someone already brought this up I'm still watching the video)
His obsession with threats from space is also what drives his motivation to build Ultron. Tony has a bit of a space thing
But if that were so, the suit should have also had propulsion.
@@obinnaonyeije On what grounds? Lets take the nuke over nyc. Spidey could have surfed the missile, using his webs to get on it and control its rudders to angle it up into the portal.
The idea isn't that the avengers are intentionally going to space, the idea is that they're able to survive if they're forced there.
@@alexiscanfield3473 How are they supposed to survive in space if they can't maneuver? How would they fight whatever put them there?
@@obinnaonyeije Hitching a ride? I mean, how would A chitauri soldier, or Thanos move (assuming pre-space stone)? None of them had thrusters on their suits. I think you're definitely right that the argument is there the be had, but as far as just having the ability to be in space is concerned, I don't think it was about combat viability so much as ability to dr. strangelove the situation as necessary.
Also, this is just a little pedantic physics, but web shooters would definitely act as propulsion in a 0G Vacuum. Presuming he has enough in there to make it all the way around New York as necessary and fight a bad guy using it, he could certainly propel himself through space using it. Makeshift, definitely not as intended, but possible.
11:30 I love how he disregards that anyone on the bus could have seen him, even though it's MUCH more plausible than any of those cars catching it on film.
Even though everyone is distracted by the giant spaceship, it's still possible that someone noticed in the corner of the eye that Peter is escaping through the window and then sees him putting on the mask.
Also Missed Sin: If I lived in the world the Marvel Universe takes place in, and saw more than two heroes in the same place at any given time, given their history, I would not be wrong in assuming that something disastrous and catastrophic was probably about to go down. Which is to say, a casual glance would be the last thing on my mind, and I would be far more concerned about booking it out of there as fast as possible so I don't die by having a building dropped on me.
Tony didn't recognize Strange, thus I don't really think we can assume anyone else would. And while Hulk is well recognizable, not knowing what banner looks like is probably normal... especially since he used to look like edward norton.
@@alexiscanfield3473 Or Eric Bana. Though if someone came through a magic portal to talk to Iron Man, that would be enough to be a harbinger of death, I feel.
Actually, the civilians might have casually checked how calm Tony is, judged him to be in no-serious-danger mode, and went about their day. If Tony isn't even suited up, nor yelling at them to run to safety, they'd probably assume they're fine. Even if that's not how Tony operates (I don't remember clearly whether it's the case), there's a good chance that civilians won't _know_ that, and assume calm, unsuited Tony = safe.
Alexis Canfield I’d say Bruce Banner is pretty famous given he’s listed among famous scientists in Peter’s chemistry class in Spider-Man: Homecoming
24:03 actually, it's completely reasonable for Tony to equip the Iron Spider suit with space capabilities, because Iron Man designs his suits off the mistakes he's made in the past. For example, nano-technology anticipates small threats after Iron-Man was dismantled by Ant-man sneaking into his suit in Civil War. In the very first Iron-Man, he realizes he needs to build his suits for high-altitudes after almost dying on a test flight. This is what helps him survive the super villain later in the film. Tony Stark is a notoriously anxious planner, so it makes sense he would integrate this feature solely because he knows its a probability.
Welcome to the future, where that his heavily emphasized. Lol
Tony is wildly obsessive over his suits. This is a major plot point of IM3. It serves to assume now that Peter is surrogate son, he is doing the same for him. Because obsessively build and improve his armor is essentially all that Tony has been up to since Iron Man 1. "How'd you fix the icing problem?"
It's not just about being able to breath in space but high altitude (they aren't in space when he puts the suit on him) but seeing as Peter's last enemy was a literal guy with wings who attacked air planes....a suit best adept at this would be a logical step.
Ryan Patrick Tony got over his obsession.
@@yeahkeen2905 Pepper and Tony got together at the end ofg IM3 with the agreement that he wouldn't obsess over his suits anymore. She already kinda left him again before Age of Ultron happened, so he clearly didn't get over it. This is supported by the fact that he built Ultron, Veronica and the Bleeding Edge armor. (The reason they got back together before/during homecoming is probably because he isn't as obsessed with his suits as he used to be and/or Pepper got used to that flaw)
Roger Dräyer nowhere was it implied that they broke up before Ultron. Before Civil War yeas but not before Ultron.
And just because he built those suits doesn’t mean he was obsessing over them. Notice how, in the span of time between the first Iron Man to the third one (5 years), he had built 42 suits but in the time between IM3 and now (5 years) he had only built 8 (10 if you count Ultron and Hulkbuster but Ultron wouldn’t like that and Pepper would be pretty selfish to oppose to the Hulkbusters creation).
@@yeahkeen2905 Pretty sure that implication is made during the party scene in Ultron... scratch that... it is assumed they're still together at the beginning of A.O.U., as during the party scene Thor and Tony have a dick measuring contest on who's girlfriend is better. However, I'd say that Ultron could possibly be the reason that they split up, so.
As to obsessing over them, if that's not explicit text in the films, it is definitely subtext. Even in Infinity War, when Pepper is getting all pissy about the nanite containment device the implication that he's worried about keeping the world safe and obsessing over the ability to do that with his suits is plain.
As to Iron Spider, I didn't even consider the father surrogate thing when coming to the same conclusion that if Tony made anyone else a suit, that it would default survive the vacuum of space, simply because in Avengers he didn't know he'd need to survive the vacuum of space to save the world and yet he did. Add in the father surrogate worries and you've got perfect justification.
He is impressed with Peter in a lot of ways, it could even be that he sees him as a sort of successor to his own brilliance. Which would be consistent with his character, again, always planning for contingencies. To be quite honest, MCU Tony is Batman levels of paranoid. In the same way that Batman is constantly coming up with contingencies to defeat all the other Justice League members should he have to, Tony is coming up with ways to prevent the destruction of earth from invaders.
Spencer Canfield how is the party scene an implication they broke up? Because he had a dick measuring contest with Thor? Ultron could be the reason but again that wouldn’t be before Ultron. That’d be after.
That’s not the obsession Pepper was bothered by. She was bothered by Tony’s obsession with the suits because they were getting in the way of his human interactions (he literally had his suit walking around the house to greet her when she got home instead of doing it himself). She called it a distraction in IM3. This is pushed further by how many suits he made (42). Him obsessing over saving the world wasn’t the problem so it wouldn’t be a likely cause (for at least a viewers perspective) for them to break up. Pepper is just getting, as you put it, pissy because she believes the nanite housing unit is going to be another distraction. That’s why she said, “If you wanted to have another kid you wouldn’t have done that.” It requires human interaction to have a kid.
Now you could say that she said that because she was worried about Tony’s safety (that was an issue in IM as she had initially not wanted to be apart of him being Iron Man and she was pleading for Tony to get off the space ship) but then she wouldn’t have specified the nanite housing unit (I’m calling that NHI from now on).
I don’t know why you started talking about the likelihood of Tony making the Iron Spider space worthy. I never disagreed with that. But now that you reminded me I’m now realizing how horrible it must be for Tony mentally now that he’s drifting through space in a space ship. I’m sad now. Thanks for that.
For #17, I think it's important to note that because Tony has always been a prideful character, of course he wouldn't want to do anything that makes it even seem like he's running to get Cap's help until he would absolutely have to. He's, essentially, internalized the distance that was made between him and Cap.
To be fair in the movie it does look like Tony was about to call cap. He had his phone out with caps number ready to call and then they heard all that noise coming from out in the street
6:38
The point of that dialogue is to show that Tony doesn't want to call Cap, and the audience can interpretate if that's because he's proud or ashamed (probably the second one).
He knows that Cap will help him, but he doesn't want his help right away. At that point he hadn't even seen the threat yet.
I would definitely say his reaction is justified. Regardless of what his feelings are exactly (and personally I think it's a mix of shame and a sense of betrayal), Cap and Tony parted very violently and that letter was hardly an actual apology, more a "I'm sorry you didn't agree with me". Even though it said that he could call anytime he needed, doesn't mean he wants to see the guy who lied to him about his parents and left him in siberia with a disabled suit. Whether you agree with cap or tony im CW and if Tony's violent reaction at the end was justified, I think Tony's reluctance is definitely not out of character.
@@TheWarriorpony Yes, exactly. ^-^
To me it looks more like he is bracing himself when he just stares at the phone. And then he just forgets about it. For someone like Tony, it is really difficult to swallow his pride.
@Imaru Lewis It's still kind of fucked up that he tells him "the avengers were always more your family than mine" while simultaniously fucking off with all of them except Rhodey (who was permanently injured) and Vision (who later left for Wanda anyway).
Also there is that line where he talks about putting trust in individuals, while never really trusting Tony, even though they were supposed to be friends. So even though the letter was written in good faith by Cap, I don't think it's unreasonable for Tony vary of reaching out again, even if it's urgent. And I mean he does. The reason why he doesn't call is because they were interrupted by the arrival of the spaceship. (If I recall correctly)
it's a character flaw, not a movie flaw, and character flaws are necessary to creating interesting characters
8:00 The whole not reacting faster thing can easily be explained that they are all in shock and disbelief that this is it. The final battle is here. When they do catch up with reality, they get into gear and start acting accordingly. Makes them seem more human.
I wouldn't call the Iron Spider's abilities 'contrived'. Tony built the suit so that Peter could become an Avenger therefore it follows that they could have had adventures in which they went underwater or into the upper atmosphere where air is thinner necessitating an oxygen pack or something. I have less of an excuse for the parachute over flight one but I do agree that flight isn't really necessary for Spider-Man due to whole 'web-slinging thing' mentioned by one of your colleagues.
Also Tony went in to space/real high up in the air and he fixed his suit to be able to survive in that atmosphere. Why would he leave it out if he already has that for himself?
@@juice17776 Yes, I assume that all Iron Man suits come with an O2 pack as standard.
As for the 'breathe in space' element. It does not seem like something which would be drectly designed in.
Rather it is a combination of the suit being pressurised and providing oxygen, which is all you need for space.
@@Modification102 I think being able to breathe in space like the way I think you're implying would be a bit too far-fetched for the MCU. You can't convert nothingness into Air. Air would be more accurate than O2 as we breathe in a lot more than that ergo amending my previous point.
And the fact he dropped when he was pulled alway up in the air by vulture. Since Rhodes fell and didn’t have a parachute he’d put it in for spidey
As for how Tony got Peter's measurements for the original suit, in homecoming we see peter put on a loose suit which then shrinks, becoming skin tight. So accurate measurements weren't entirely necessary
24:40 Sorry, but no, not valid. There is no reason to think Tony intended the suit to be specifically spaceworthy. First of all, Peter's not even near space at this point (100 km up), he's just high enough to need an air supply. And it's quite realistic to think Tony would equip the suit with an air supply. It would be useful in a lot of situations for Spider-Man: in a burning building, or in a gas attack. Or, something that's already happened once: if he gets trapped underwater, which, by the way, could perfectly explain why Tony made the upgrade.
Actually there is a reason to think Tony intended the suit to be spaceworthy. Dude has serious PTSD from an alien invasion and having to go into space to save the day. It seems logical for him to build a spaceworthy suit for his surrogate son who is a superhero, in order to protect him just in case.
I don't think you realise how much he cares about Peter's safety. The reason why Tony designed suits for Spiderman in the first place is coz he recruited an actual kid to fight with him on an airport, obviously the first priority for Tony would be to keep the kid safe so he put that kid in a multi million dollar suit that would keep him safe. But then he gave that suit to Peter anyway coz Peter could use that suit for his day to day fighting street level crime while being safe inside that suit & if something happens it would send an alert to Stark & one of Stark's robot/empty suits will come & rescue Peter. I believe he designed the Iron Spider suit for the same reason, that whenever Spiderman would face a bigger threat in the future Tony Stark would've already prepared safety measures to keep Peter as safe as possible.
I always interpreted their hesitation in reacting as less about the noise, and more about the shift in air pressure a ship that large would create when entering the atmosphere like that.
It's less about hesitating on danger, and more like "whoa, why did the air get all weird...oh crap"
It just takes a moment to process.
Funny how, despite CinemaSins' flaws, if they hadn't been there, they inadvertently helped create actually decent stuff like CinemaWins and these videos.
Yeah but hay even cinenawin is wrong some times it would be cool to see someone miking vids like this analizing there wins >.> at least there last jedi win cause Jeze did they suck that movies dick flaws and all lol.
Ismel Ariosa well Lee (the cinemawins Guy) see’s good in practically every film. I believe he stated on twitter the only films he’ll NEVER do are Pornos, NC-17 films, Freddy got Fingered and Movie 43
@@Only_Fantasies actually I've seen that one and no. They just don't have the same angry, hateful opinion of it that lots of otger people do.
@@MrEffectfilms I dont have a angry or hateful opinion of the last jedi, I could careless about starwars it was just a bad movie.
Ismel Ariosa There are still good things about it
Sin 27 actually is in accurate because we have seen in many different ways that Tony has implemented a feature into peters suit that he suffered from not having in the past. Being able to go to space, a heater, a parachute, these are all things Tony needed once but did not have. He implemented them all into peters suit
In regards to the portal sin, sin 26: I think this movie has a perfect excuse to not show them try stuff like that, since right before the fight against Thanos, Doctor Strange looks at millions of possible futures. So that means it is highly likely that he knows that any possible "why didn't he try X" scenario we can come up with will not work.
The problem with that defense is that it really doesn’t hold up. While he did see 14 million + outcomes, and only one where they win doesn’t rule out the option that there were other outcomes that they win (for example, the hand situation), Dr.Strange could have just not had enough time to see other viable win paths.
Mufti_Menk That And I think trying to get Thanos’ hand into a portal is quite difficult. He uses it to fight so it takes a great deal of timing to cut off his hand with a portal. Their main goal was to secure Thanos and take off the Infinity Gauntlet so everyone was working on that plan (which was probably the plan Stange knew was going to work)so it wouldn’t make sense to cut off his hand imo. And the easiest explanation might be that he just didn’t think of it (Wong cutting off Cull Obsidian’s hand seemed more like an accident, and Strange wasn’t there to witnesses it, so it might just not have occurred to him that cutting of Thanos’ hand was an option)
Mufti_Menk not only that but I’m pretty sure a guy as powerful as thanos could probably just yank the portal open idk maybe that’s just me
@@vodfives5555 I thought the plan that would work was:
1) Try to take the gauntlet and fail.
2) Trade the Time Stone of Tony's life.
3) Tony goes on to defeat Thanos and resurrect everyone in the sequel.
From that perspective, trying to cut off Thanos' hand before the snap might have caused Thanos to kill Tony before Strange could make the bargain and thus prevent their eventual victory.
@@mistypeterson7577 He said he saw ALL the possible outcomes
Regarding sin #27 - one could say that the Iron Spider suit was not made for Spidey to be able to go to space, but rather to continue breathing where there is no oxygen. Given that Tony had to have Peter pulled out of the river, I’d say it is classic Tony to ensure that he never has the same problem twice.
5:52
Yes. Stark's hesitation to contact Steve is questionable,. But I would argue that it's not out of character, per se. Tony is well known for making questionable decisions, especially if he feels stressed. In addition, I think they needed to make sure Banner found out what happened.
However, I do think it would've been more *realistic* if he hadn't said that, and they cut to the part where he's looking at the phone and trying to work up the courage to call Cap, and wondering what to say.
Great video, as always!
Edit: THANK YOU. Finally, someone brings up the spider-sense scene in Civil War. Everyone seems to have forgotten about that.
How is Tony's behavior questionable? Did you forget Civil War happened? And why wouldn't he tell Banner what happened?
Zing Zaber Well, for one thing, he made Ultron on a whim, and then decided to try *again* with Vision. I’m not saying that was WRONG, but from an in universe perspective it was definitely questionable.
I didn’t forget Civil War, I meant that I was glad he brought up the fact that the spider-sense was shown in Civil War because I’ve noticed a lot of move-critiquing channels talking like it’d never been used in the MCU before Infinity War.
And I don’t think he wouldn’t, but it would need to come up naturally. So, the writers created a scenario where it came up naturally.
Hope that answers your questions! 🙂
@@CalebJMartin
I was referring to Tony hesitating to call Cap. How is that questionable based on the events of Civil War?
Zing Zaber That was the point Jay made in his video. Again, I don’t think it was necessarily out of character, but he’d just had it explained to him that this was about saving the known universe from a super powerful space dude, but then he was like, “Eh. I don’t know if I should call him.”
When that is precisely the kind of thing Steve had said to contact him for.
@@CalebJMartin
Well he didn't know the threat was literally gonna show up a second later 😂. And he probably wasn't hesitating because he wasn't gonna call him, he just wasn't emotionally ready after two years of no contact.
Killer Croc popping up while you talk about Big Crocodile Daddy is great.
On a side note, would Crocodile Daddy be the Squidward's top or bottom?
I mean bottom right
His name is black dwarf.
CSJ calling Thor's landing on the windshield "convenient" and "illogical" is positively loopy considering how much the whole Thor series has (a) played with notions of fate and destiny; and, (b) constantly, relentlessly gagged up smooshing Thor's face against (plexi-)glass. It happened in the New Mexico hospital; it happened against the Gherkin; it happened against the underside of Valkyrie's ship; it even happened again later in Infinity War after Thor lit up the rings of Nidavellir and his face crashed against the pod. The MCU just *loves* pushing Hemsworth's face up against glass. It's past being a recurring motif at this point and more of a comic fetish. (Same goes for Thor getting stunned/electrocuted.) So, of course, it's practically fated that Thor would be discovered that way-- and within this universe, perfectly comically logical.
Further point about the Groot one:
It seemed pretty thematically solid in Guardians 2 that the crew are essentially a family (Vin Diesel likes those!) and so, let's consider who Groot's 'parents' are.
Well, Mantis was traumatized and is more in need of care than a caregiver. Gamora had a similarly traumatic upbringing, we can assume she'd be willing to show some affection to groot, but she wouldn't know how to connect with him too well. Drax DOES have experience as a father, however, his species is very psychologically different from humans. Specifically, his species seems to struggle to understand non-literal ideas or phrases. This means that the play their children engage in is almost certainly very different from the sort that a human would, and the fact that we see Groot playing an age-appropriate game means that Groot is likely more like a human child than a (whatever Drax is).
The primary caregiver appears to be Rocket, he's the one who's most invested in Groot's safety, and the one that Groot seems most emotionally attached to. Rocket is a hard-nosed bounty hunter who, while he clearly cares for his best friend/son, really would have no experience or ideas about rearing children. So, who WOULD have the best ideas and capability to raise a child?
Peter Quill.
Who, as we know, is obsessed with Earth culture, and 1980s pop-culture ephemera in particular.
While we can't know what gaems exist in space and how you access them, we CAN know that the person we can most logically expect to be tasked with providing Groot toys and entertainment is one who is likely to share toys from his own childhood.
Also, MCU is based on the comics, and in the comics there's six infinity gems. You could argue that MCU doesn't have to be comic accurate, and you'd be rate, but I don't see a point in changing the number of the stones. Like, the best reason I can think off is that they want to cut it down just to three, because introducing all six stones would take too much time, but MCU clearly had enough time to set up five of them, and they had no issue setting up another sixth stone in Infinity War.
There are alternate comic book universes that have 4 or 8 stones. 6 is just the most well known set from the comics.
@@cowmanthe3rd Yes, but there's no reason to make them 4 or 8 stones in the movie. It's based on the Infinity Gauntlet storyline, in which there's 6 stones.
@Warney Disner I don't think MCU should be accurate to the comics, but with the infinity stones there's absolutely no reason to be unfaithful when it comes to the number of them. There's nothing wrong with there being 6 stones. Like, I would complain if there was like 27 of them, because that would be too much.
@@HiperPivociarz Oh, I agree completely, I was just providing the information that there is a precedent for different numbers of stones in different storylines.
The main thing is that originally there was one Soul Gem, given to Adam Warlock by the High Evolutionary. Later, they wanted to do an epic story, so there were suddenly 6 soul gems so there was something to collect. About 15 years after that, Jim Starlin expanded things again (also having introduced the 6 gems) that 5 of them weren't 'soul gems', so he had to justify those 6.
There is another problem with the 'Spider-man gave up his secret identity' sin. Even in the incredibly unlikely event that someone saw Peter's face, him getting recognized would rely on every person in New York being able to recognize Peter Parker at a glance, which seems...impossible. Hell, Justice League Unlimited had a scene that played that exact scenario as a joke.
Theres a moment early(?) in homecoming showing the suit is oversized and then shrinks down to fit peter [when he gets changed in an alley], Tony could've pulled data from that suit to then make the iron spider suit, or the suit just adjusts to fit on its own.
It’s made of nanotechnology who the fuck needs measurements
I agree!
The IS is part nanotech, and Tony's nano regenerates and creates huge other items out of what the user wants. The fit definitely isn't worth any actual criticism. The constricting aspect of the first suit that Tony makes Peter also means that data could be fed in. Misplaced critique
I think it actually is not a mistake that Tony still would be on the fence about calling Cap even if he is going to help. Tony has been shown even during this to still have a lot of insecurities with his emotional state and it's understandable that he wouldn't just go "ok I'll call him" at the first opportunity. Tony and Cap's fight was about his dead parents for fucks sake. It's enough emotional motivation for Tony and in Tony's context for him to be on the fence about calling Cap.
(2 mins after upload) wow I really love the part at 23:19
MC Fixer that’s my favorite part
We’ve got a 2319!!!
Today is the only 2319 in the next 1000 years btw.
Arc 48 Unless you're from most non- American country or use military time.
@@arc4859 no. It'll be 2/3/19 for people in a month. You know, like regular people who put the date *_BEFORE_* the month.
The real problem with Bruce finding Tony's phone is actually that Tony dropped the phone in Strange's Sanctum. That's where Bruce should have been at. Much easier to believe that Bruce would find his way back there after the battle. Especially since he wasn't sent away very far by Strange in the first place.
23:32 Yeah (the one guys who says it but I can't be bothered to find his name is right), the suit does sort of shrink down in a one size fits all kinda way, which we see in homecoming.
I think the thing about spidey sense a lot of people forget is just because the sense is triggered doesn't just mean Peter auto reacts, it's not Ultra Instinct. His body isn't moving on its own. It's still up to Peter to react to what it's alerting him to, and he's still pretty new at the super hero thing
Sin 26: yeah, but Dr Strange saw the future and would know if it would work, and Thanos knowing Strange could cut off his hand would probably result in his death. Then, someone else on Titan might have died in his place during the Decimation, meaning either Nebula or Tony would die, and the universe would be screwed
Cutting Thanos' hand off would kill who?
Zing Zaber Thanos would kill Dr Strange if he knew Strange could cut off his arm like that
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Possibly. There's no guarantee though.
Zing Zaber we’ve seen Thanos kill anyone who could potentially beat him. Or at least he tries (Iron Man is a good example)
@@legoverse1412
Yea, like I said, possibly.
29:12 Jokes on you, I actually won the ethiopean national lottery without playing. Now I just need to send them my bank data and I will get my 20 millions in the next few weeks.
21:46 there’s also the point that, when overseeing all those timelines, Strange saw that he did try a portal offence and it didn’t work. Considering 14,000,000+ timelines, he should have tried it at least once. That’s a great way to explain away why he didn’t try certain strategies.
JTM Machine I think the people (not you) who say “why didn’t dr strange use portals to beat Thanos” are ignoring the fact that Thanos has an item in his gauntlet that literally lets him control space. How do they think he can be beaten with a portal?
Or when he says strange can literally move his portal to put his whole self through and teleport Thanos else where he has a stone that lets him teleport and Thanos has really really thick skin I don’t how powerful the portal is but I don’t think it’s be able to cut through his skin in time before Thanos does soemthing
Doctor Strange actually makes a sword out of the same material the portals are made of and Thanos grabs it with his bare hand. This means the portal probably wouldn't have cut through his arm.
Regarding the Time Stone, I always thought he was done manipulating time because of the "consequences" everyone was on about in his solo flick.
Also, what implied Banner found the phone quickly or easily? That's just where we pick up with him since we saw him last.
For Clarification: That's Cull Obsidian AKA Black Dwarf not Killer Croc
Also, Spider-Man's suit doesn't fly because Tony told Peter to "stay close to the ground".
No, that's Crocodile Daddy. Didn't you watch the video?
Jay is definitely aware of who it is LOL.
And Tony said that to Peter long before he gave him that suit (that again is designed to survive space).
r/whoosh.
@@zingzaber6989 wow, you're incorrect about two things? Yikes
@@DeviantDork
No. I'm not.
1. You think Jay is an idiot, he isn't.
2. Tony tells Peter that long before the end of the movie.
Correct me please? lol
Ah yes, my two favorite villains in the MCU, Squidward and Killer Croc Daddy.
We’re all on the nerdy journey with ya, dude.
"aren't we all feeling angry, anxious and tremendous loss?"
"Everytime I finish a bag of Dorritos".
Haha, your friends are funny Jay.
If you really think about it the MCU's human race has the greatest capacity for technological advancements. The Earth is like a tech dump for alien stuff. Not only the chitauri came and left behind a lot of stuff but don't forget about the dark elves in thor the dark world who's ship also crashed in london leaving a lot of tech behind. From captain marvel we learn that another alien race The Skrulls came to earth and seems like they lost some tech too. It's not crazy to assume that people around the world and in time collected all the wrecks and reversed engineered everything. All the story needed to make the nanobots believable in that unviverse is there. Not to mention it might somehow be related to age of ultron's scene with hawkeye and the end credits of black panther.
"Don't think of the Dorito's that you lost, Think of them as you gained them"
Great second part sweetie pie! I love you and your channel! Keep it up!
This is a wholesome comment.
@@JayExci "Mom! Not here!"
Before anybody say anything about Dr Strange not doing something: He did. There is a scene explaining how he used Time Stone to (probably) archive long-term victory. It's very clever solution from writers btw, as it's not forced and builds theories for next part. Also Thanos has Space Stone. He can teleport himself, so he can avoid any portals from magic users.
@24:05
Well a suit that could deal with the vacuum of space could also help a character to have air. Much like if he were to drown, like in Homecoming
Squidward sending in Big Croc Daddy first is just how tactics work, you keep your best assets in reserve until you know they are needed. No need to risk your top talent on some shmucks, but they gotta be there in case they are needed. Its the same tactic Thanos has been using the entire time, ramping up his efforts and sending in more powerful assets based on resistance.
23:51 in homecoming Peter almost drowns in a river! You’d think tony stark (being the revolutionary he is) would make Peters next suit with an oxygen supply.
(Edit= I made the time code more accurate)
You could argue that Peter's always had his spidey-sense, but maybe he wasn't entirely understanding the feeling. Even when he looks at his arm hairs on the bus, he has this kind of "What the hell is that?" look on his face. He isn't entirely used to all of his powers yet.
About the addendum for sin #7. There is a deleted scene for Infinity War where Happy is chasing off paparazzi from Tony, so I do believe the writers did think of a way to solve this plot hole, but the explanation got cut for time restraints.
1:42
Power- energy
Space- distance, speed, position, size
Reality- matter
Time
Mind- Math, conscious thought
Soul- essence of life
These are different
Dyn Awesome ackchually, energy and matter are literally the same.
@@donqueshot2217 thats not true. Matter and energy is different cause matter needs mass and energy has no mass
royal junior you‘re partly right. Not all energy is matter, but energy and mass are equivalent. That‘s the meaning behind E = m*c^2
I‘m not sure about modern physical nomenclature, if physicists say that „matter *is* energy“ or „matter *stores* energy“ or whatever, but all matter can be completely reduced to energy.
Donque Shot
One can control matter and energy separately though, is that not true?
And although they can be transferred into one another, that does not mean they have the same properties on a basic level.
Dyn Awesome well, both matter and energy bend spacetime and are affected by bent spacetime, so for the purposes of General Relativity (i. e. modern theory of gravity) they are pretty much the same.
Also, a lot of the energy you see in everyday life is stored in matter. Consider the sun: here, 4 hydrogen atoms combine to form one helium atom, which weighs slightly less than the input. This difference is released as energy. In theory, you would see the same with burning gasoline, although the difference would be minuscule. That phenomenon is called „mass defect“.
The fig newtons thing is a reference to the film Talladega Nights. The sin you analyzed the most in this video is the one you didn't need to analyze at all.
So in other words....Jeremy makes a pop culture reference that isn't a sin of the film cliche.
Speaking of Birdman, his Infinity War Sins parody might explain the "Space" sin. Assuming the CinemaSins guys are familiar with him.
btw there's a deleted scene in the park where tony is being stalked by a fan and happy is actually making sure people are leaving him alone
Why have you decided to do this to yourself??? I love it.
For sin 21, it would have made more sense for him to focus on the students on the bus rather than the the dashcam things
"Help me save the world from purple man!"
Funnily enough, Purple Man is an actual Marvel villain. Seriously, look it up.
or he could just read some comics with Purple Man in
He was in Jessica jones
@@606danco I know
lmfao
The man behind the slaughter
21:06 "We are given no actual reason that his final solution against dormamu wouldn't work on Thanos"
Actually, we are given that. In Doctor Strange. The reason why he can loop Dormamu is because he brought time into a timeless dimension, therefore he can control it and loop it. He can't do that against Thanos.
Did I miss the name change? I like it gives your channel more of a hook and emphasizes you as a person.
Considering that he made a suit for Peter with full AI, internet capacity, and advanced web-changes... I think the suit probably took his measurements every time he put the suit on. It would make sense for Tony to do it, too!
On sin 26, the "why didnt doctor strange cut off thanos' hand with a portal?" question. Banner told strange that thanos had the space and power stone already. Strange has extensive knowledge of the infinity stones and would know what powers will and wont work against them.
The space stone, as we see in the movie, can open and close portals to anywhere in the universe, and since its and infinity stone, we can assume this power is infinite, or close to. Therefore I think we can assume the space stone can negate any portal based attacks if they were attempted. And given that strange knows he has the space stone theres no reason he would try an attack he knows wouldnt work.
Also the time stone issue is talked about as well. The eye of agamoto has to be opened for the time stone to be used, leaving it vulnerable to thanos if strange were to use it for an attack. Until strange gives up the stone for Tony it is well established that protecting the stone is his key goal, so making the stone vulnerable by attacking with it wouldn't fit with his character goals.
Chuck Finley is that close to infinite on purpose?
Sorry for being late, I just love hypothetical discussions.
"I think we can assume the space stone can negate any portal based attacks if they were attempted"
I don't think this is correct. As far as I'm aware, none of the stones showed any kind of power without being consciously used. Thanos closes his fist for every single usage of any of the stones. So I think assuming that the space stone has some kind of passive ability is a bit far fetched.
I would agree that an attack like this wouldn't work against a conscious Thanos, as he could just use the stones to stop it. But there is a scene within the fight where he is unconscious after all. When Mantis puts him to sleep. Strange is pulling on his right arm in that scene, if I remember correctly - a task that doesn't really seem necessary. That would've been the perfect instance to cut off either his arm or better his head.
@@Lindbluete sorry for being late but before strange meets thanks for the first time he saw multiple possible futures, one is clearly where he didn't open a portal, strange probably just wanted to follow the EXACT same thing that happened in the future he saw where he didn't use the portal, he probably thought it was to risky to try to change one thing in his vision he saw
I think that all of the seemingly random features of Spider-Man's suit (oxygen supply, resistance to the extremes of space, and parachute) all actually make sense.
1. Oxygen supply - there are multiple environments here on Earth, such as burning buildings or underwater, where rescue teams need their own oxygen supply. These are situations which Peter could absolutely find himself in when helping people around the city.
2. Extremes of space - the Spider-Man suit is almost certainly built from the same-level quality of materials as Iron Man's own suits, and we already know that his suits protect him from this environment.
3. Parachute - It seems very reasonable that Tony would include redundant and diverse safety features to keep Peter safe, and a parachute makes a lot of sense to add in as a safety feature for someone who spends a lot of time in high locations that they could fall/get punched off of. Also, unlike jets, a parachute can work even if Peter is incapacitated, unconscious, seriously injured, etc. Also also, as we have seen with Tony while he first learned to use his Iron Man suits, jets require a lot more training and practice in their use than an parachute does.
So overall I think all if these features are perfectly reasonable features to have in the Spider-Man suit. Do we have explicit confirmation that this is why those features were there? No, but I don't think that the presence of these features is contrived given their utility in scenarios Peter could likely face on Earth.
That one about spiderman getting out of the bus... There's so much wrong with it. Like you said, it's still unlikely people saw him. Also half of everyone died shortly after. Also, there's a big donut in the sky distracting people. Also Peter was rushing to get to the fight, he just placed a lower priority on his secret identity at the moment because you know, apocalypse
I remember when cinema sins was about pointing out filmaking continuity errors like "they drive by the same block twice" or something.
"Space" sin is about how Jeremy assumes that title is in reference to their videos and how they sin them. He is literally so high up on his horse he thinks million dollar businesses are referencing his "jokes".
I like how in sin 27 they show they're so self-centered that they think a mega-corporation as large as Disney cares about a couple people known for whining about the tiniest of details out of the millions of people who do the same thing already.
Hey, Jay. I'm pretty sure I can make sense of sin 30 for you.
Part 1: We acknowledge that they didn't only do this as a response to our criticism. If they had, that would be a sin. But they didn't.
Part 2: I wish that they had done this as a response to our criticism. They clearly aren't listening to our advise, and that's a sin.
I think that's what Jeremy is getting at here. I could be wrong, but this totally seems like something CS would do. "We recognize that this isn't a sin, but we're sinning it anyway hecause (insert self-referential joke here)."
10:00 I always took it as Spider-Man is growing and now he has developed spider sense
Taking inspiration from your third Gravity Falls Sins Sins video: "Sinning Stan Lee is always a sin."
The Iron Spider doesn't need to fly because Peter has webbing to get him up in the air. It does need a parachute because Peter could run out of his webbing at the most inconvenient time.
5:50 omg I didn't know that thanos was the man behind the slaughter
The thing I approve of most in this entire video is the footage of the dishonored series and the fact you have them installed in yours team library.
We just gonna ignore the fact that thanos had the space stone the and reality stone which means it wouldn't work due to the fact that he can just use the reality stone or space stone to stop this from happening idk which stone he can you use but he can use one of them
What wouldn't work?
@@zingzaber6989 he could use the space stone to get to titan or the reality stone to move his arm
@@geribenkougeki
That is how he got to Titan.
@@zingzaber6989 yea and that's how he can't get the whole hand cut off
@@geribenkougeki
Yea probably
The real sin in this video is the Tetris gameplay
The “how did Tony get peters sizes for the iron spider suit” sigh I mean pretty much all the tech Tony has made since iron man 2 seemed capable of resizing itself to some degree and Tony has AI
Technically the film doesn’t explain it but you could equally sin the film on any issue that isn’t directly answered in the film then.
I've been looking forward to this
Also the Doctor Strange sin isn't fair. Whatsoever. He confirms he saw only ONE course of action for them to win - When he snaps into dust he tells Tony "this was the only way". Or whatever somesuch. Which confirms he already tried the timelines where he uses other magic, portal movement included, vs Thanos, and it didn't net them a win. He proceeded with the one timeline that would -eventually- (in Endgame) lead to the win. You both make an unfair sin / arguement.
20:32 honestly saying super tech in the mcu is unbelievable is like saying a creature breathing fire in pokemon is unbelievable
20:23 I feel like the threshold for belief in advanced versions of real world science should be higher than actual magic and gamma monsters. How is anything Tony has built any less believable than anything else in this movie? Jeremy's problem with Black Panther also isn't that he doesn't believe in the tech, just that he wants it pointlessly explained and feels the movie doesn't do that because Vibranium bypasses that(and not that very few movies would stop dead in its tracks to explain its tech's development cycle for an extended period of time).
23:42 Exactly this. The first suit has that function as whenever Peter presses the spider emblem it grows so he can slip out of it. There's more fabric than you'd think but it can shrink to fit him(and probably anyone). After that Peter would probably give Tony his social security number, nevermind his measurements.
24:00 Not really a plot contrivance. Every Iron Man suit has been space worthy since the Mark III. This was a plot point in Iron Man 1. Sure the Iron Spider suit can't fly or anything, but worm holes are a thing in the MCU and it's better safe than sorry that Peter won't encounter people throwing him around the universe with a flick of their wrist, especially since Tony has PTSD about _this exact thing_.
24:50 Homecoming showed that the stuff in Peter's suit(now suits) is less stuff Tony thinks he needs and more just cool tech Tony wanted to test out and play around with, that's why it's a grabbag. He was interested in Peter's webbing so he made like 30,000 variations. He just made a nanobot suit so he gave Peter some of its applications. He's already perfected flight in his suits so he wasn't interested in it enough to put it in Peter's new suit.
Well actually peter almost drowned in a lake in homecoming(which tony saved him with a suit so he definetly noticed) so it would actually make a lot of sense for the iron spider suit to have an air supply
This video was uploaded on my birthday!
7:11 Thank _GOD_ I just turned 18!
23:50 Even in Iron Man, Jarvis was talking about making the suits spaceworthy.
27:38 "I have a Steam library of 26 whole games"
Ahh, the privilege of not being a greedy moron who buys more games in sales than you could ever reasonably play
Tony may have put the ability for the suit to withstand space as a better safe than sorry scenario but didn't give the suit access to fly as to not encourage Peter going to space if the situation called.
If you actually make synonymsins, you should make a video on the word "since" since it means the sane thing as because, and because it sounds like the word "sins".
"How long have you been awake?" "Because 10."
Uhhhh
15:05 bruh. Killer Croc is a DC villain. That's Cull Obsidian
21:56 here is my argument as to why the portal cutting off the arm was never used again. 1st. Wong did it by accident and he never saw Thanos again until Endgame. He couldn't tell Strange because he had to go back to guard the sanctum. He couldn't phone in via astral plane because he would still have to know where Strange is and he clearly didn't know he was in space. Second, Wong probably can't throw portals. It's probably a sorcerer supreme thing. Lastly, portals are meant for travel. Cutting off Cull's arm was an accident. That would be like an assassin trying to get away in a car and accidentally hitting somebody, then their friend says, "hey instead of sniping your next target, just hit them with your car". As for why he didn't cut off Thanos' arm in Endgame. Thanos didn't have the gauntlet for most of the fight so he didn't see it as a priority to get in there and cut his arms off.
You're only two years older than me. That's.....depressing. I should do a thing and be talented at some point or something.