I hope that you enjoy the film and thank you for watching. Please subscribe, like, and comment. Please check out my Dailymotion Channel at www.dailymotion.com/TitanicDocsbyMark God bless you and Blessings Mark.
@@titanicfilmsbymarkI was swinging off the steering wheel of Nomadic pretending I was a Captain in rough Seas (I’m in my 40’s. Never really grown up), I broke something, tried denying it. Wife had me on camera!! Definitely go if you have the opportunity!
Literally the best documentary of the Olympic Class Liners I’ve watched. I really love how they added realistic lighting to Titanic’s sinking to give us a visual view of how it most likely would have looked like
My mind cannot for the life of me, grasp the fear they must’ve endured no matter how many documentaries/docuseries/movies I watch on Titanic…it’s an obsession with me! Thanks for so many enthralling things on Titanic to keep me entertained!
I totally agree with you. I’m glad I wasn’t there to experience that fear. Must have been awful. I have a morbid fascination with shipping disasters, especially the famous ones.
I just witnessed one of the finest documentaries that I’ve ever seen in my life. This was intelligently and respectfully done, with lots of rare footage and photographs I’ve never seen before. I have read every book that I’ve ever seen about Titanic, and I must say that there were many new things presented here that I never knew about. The narration was very well done, and the tone was just right for the tragedy of the famed Titanic. Superb. I’d definitely watch this again someday.
Finally a doc. which tells a different story,a little bit about Titanic. Doesn't starts with " the biggest ship " or with "ten thousands at her departure". Tells a different story which is much closer to the truth.And still ,tooo many unanswered questions about Titanic. Thank you for sharing this video!
Hard to believe that 110 years later, what ever mode of transport we use, we haven't grasped the basic concept that speed kills. Love your channel thanks.
Historic note: White Star did indeed order all their ships from Harland and Wolff but Harland and Wolff built for many other lines. A list of the ships they built shows this. All shipping lines had their usual shipbuilders. For example, Cunard used John Brown and Hunter Swan as theirs. Otherwise this is a great history of the Olympic-class ships. Thank you for uploading this!
I believe the implication here was that Harland and Wolff didn't build any ships for direct competitors of White Star. Or is even that an incorrect statement?
This documentary was made in 1985, Before or After the Titanic was discovered? that being said, This documentary is fantastically accurate, joyful to watch.
Know we know it wasn't a big gash in Titanic. It was a series of small openings made by the berg as the ship bounced along. It opened up 6 compartments. The water tight compartments were open at the top, so even though the doors were closed it created an ice tray effect. The pumps only bought minutes, they were so far back in the ship it took considerable time to get the hoses up to the impacted compartments which were already flooded. They had to open the water tight doors manually because you couldn't open them by a switch from the bridge, they could only be closed from there. I think the best option would have been to ram the berg head on. As for the British Board of Trade they like all other nations assumed the number of lifeboats needed by gross tonnage and not actual number that the ship was made to hold. If they had judged it by the capacity of passengers, many more or all on board would have probably made it. Not to mention class structure was a real problem as well as different languages and no public address systems. I don't think Titanic had any interpreters on board either, I could be wrong. If they did I'd say it was a very few. A lot of problems. Became clear that night. Shipping definitely changed for the better because of this, though it was a needless tragedy.
One of the best documentary videos. I remember watching this almost every night after work back in 1986. Is there a better video avaliable….the quality is somewhat disappointing.
@@JohnLee-pt5jz TH-cam won't let me leave a link, but if you look on Flickr, 'HMHS Britannic construction,' there is a clear sign in front of the ship while under construction that says Britannic.
@@ArronP Thankyou Arron P. Your probably the first person you agreed on my comment, people said where's your proof. I told them to watch the 1993 Titanic, documentary narrated by Robert Powell all the answers are there. It still available on TH-cam.
I saw another documentary that said HMS Hawke and the Olympic were racing each other out of Southampton harbour. Is that true or just speculation?? Such a shame that it was scrapped. Maybe it could have kept and used as a floating museum??
@@dovetonsturdee7033 no problem thanks for the info. It was just something I heard on a documentary about the Olympic. I wasn’t sure if it was fact or just one of those things that people speculate about.
Olympic didn't deserve to be scrapped if Queen Mary can be turned into a floating museum why couldn't Olympic?? White Star's biggest ship ever built it's a pitty
Well THAT'S kind of fascinating. ~ 12:29 There are two tugboats in this section, and I can tell by experience with what I'm seeing that the names of the two tugboats have been scored over so they can't be read. It was done sloppily and ages ago. Who knows why? The sterns of the tugboats appear to be covered with artificial clouds of smoke. You can either do that on the original negative, by using ink on each frame, or you can use an internegative process. But it's truly kind of weird. Why is someone blanking out the names of two little tugboats in an ancient film? If I had to guess I'd say either White Star or Harland and Wolff didn't want the names of any but their very own boats to appear in anything filmed around Titanic or Olympic or Britannic...
The tugboats look very much like those which operated in New York at the time. If so, 'New York' would have been visible on the stern. Perhaps this was erased to enable those making the newsreel to suggest that the port was Southampton?
@@dovetonsturdee7033 So that may have been a 'home port' banner instead of a name? I know most boats (ships?) that I remember seeing will have a name like "Ariadne" on the top of the stern surface, and then maybe "Panama" in smaller letters underneath. But on municipal or national fleet boats or ships I could see maybe there's a different custom depending on the type.
@@abcde_fzAs there were so few photographs of Titanic someone decided to convince people that the ship in the film clip was her. It's Olympic in New York, the names of the tugs would have given the game away, so they scrubbed them out.
Because the tugs had 'New York' on their sterns. The newsreel people had very little footage of Titanic, but after her sinking everyone wanted to see some. Newsreel footage of Olympic, of which there was plenty, was used instead, on the assumption that the general public would not know the difference. However, even the most gormless member of the public knew that Titanic never reached New York
Er. That was Lusitania, in 1915. She wasn't 'gun running' by the way. Details of her cargo were on the manifest submitted to the American authorities, and no one has every found anything in the wreck which wasn't on that manifest.
I've heard that is correct. The bulkhead was designed to withstand a head on collision. The front and rear bulkheads were apparently higher aswell. So it is theorised she may well have survived had she taken it head on.
Hi Mark, There is no mentioned about the tugs assisting Titanic, or was it not the Titanic, as the names on the stern of the tugs have had their names scraped off the emulsion side of the celluloid film. Tugs are identifiable, and these tugs could have been in a port that Titanic had not been too. There is no mention of the possible switch of the Titanic with the Olympic, seeing that the Olympic was in such a bad state from her earlier collision. It's keel was also bent. The two ships were swapped and the ship that sank, could easily have been the Olympic, otherwise White Star may have gone into Liquidation.
Why would there be a mention of the 'switch?' The whole thesis is beyond absurd. Had you bothered to have done any actual research, you could have looked at the Admiralty report of the extent of the damage to Olympic, which appeared in November, and summarised it as “Two major watertight compartments were flooded, hull plating gashed from the Orlop deck to E deck, and the starboard propeller shafting damaged.” No reference at all to keel damage, largely because Olympic had a beam of 92 feet, and Hawke's ram bow only penetrated around six to eight feet, nowhere near far enough to damage the keel. As to White Star 'going into liquidation,' in the financial year 1910-1911 their accounts showed a profit of £1,073,752. Why not find out how much that figure in 1911 would be worth today. I'm not going to do it for you. You might be surprised to read how far White Star really was from liquidation in 1911. What you must understand is that the switchers need to exaggerate their claims in order to give any (spurious) credibility to their arguments. Put simply, unless the extent of the damage to Olympic is stated as vastly greater than evidence from the time suggests that it was, then their whole fantasy collapses. They rely on people swallowing everything they say at face value, when in reality even a small amount of investigation reveals these people for what they truly are.
@@mrkipling2201 Indeed. Another part of the Switcher myth :- 1). Olympic was damaged beyond repair in the Hawke collision. Totally disproved by the records from the time. 2). White Star were on their uppers, financially. Nonsense. Simply look at their accounts from 1910-1911. Not that it matters. The Switchers aren't interested in facts.
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I really enjoyed this video. The Nomadic is now in Belfast as part of the Titanic Museum. It’s really interesting to walk around.
@@requiscatinpace7392 nice. I want to visit there one day.
@@titanicfilmsbymarkI was swinging off the steering wheel of Nomadic pretending I was a Captain in rough Seas (I’m in my 40’s. Never really grown up), I broke something, tried denying it. Wife had me on camera!!
Definitely go if you have the opportunity!
@@requiscatinpace7392 that's awesome. I want to travel on the Queen Mary 2 over there.
@@titanicfilmsbymark if you get the chance go for it! I’m guessing you are American by the over there comment 😁?
Literally the best documentary of the Olympic Class Liners I’ve watched. I really love how they added realistic lighting to Titanic’s sinking to give us a visual view of how it most likely would have looked like
My mind cannot for the life of me, grasp the fear they must’ve endured no matter how many documentaries/docuseries/movies I watch on Titanic…it’s an obsession with me! Thanks for so many enthralling things on Titanic to keep me entertained!
I totally agree with you. I’m glad I wasn’t there to experience that fear. Must have been awful. I have a morbid fascination with shipping disasters, especially the famous ones.
Agreed .. definitely agreed
I just witnessed one of the finest documentaries that I’ve ever seen in my life. This was intelligently and respectfully done, with lots of rare footage and photographs I’ve never seen before. I have read every book that I’ve ever seen about Titanic, and I must say that there were many new things presented here that I never knew about. The narration was very well done, and the tone was just right for the tragedy of the famed Titanic. Superb. I’d definitely watch this again someday.
Got this for a birthday present on vhs in 1987 when I was 7 years old. Thank you for adding the version with the original narrator.
Awww bless Titanic. I Love watching documentaries about her and her sister ships. So interesting and a bit scary if I'm honest, haunting xx
Finally a doc. which tells a different story,a little bit about Titanic. Doesn't starts with " the biggest ship " or with "ten thousands at her departure". Tells a different story which is much closer to the truth.And still ,tooo many unanswered questions about Titanic. Thank you for sharing this video!
Interesting to hear about the three sister ships in this documentary, thanks Mark.
You're welcome
Thank you for the upload, I had not seen this documentary.
34:47 geez that sounded violent
The first time SOS was used on a ship was 1909-Cunard liner RMS Slavonic.
Hard to believe that 110 years later, what ever mode of transport we use, we haven't grasped the basic concept that speed kills. Love your channel thanks.
Historic note: White Star did indeed order all their ships from Harland and Wolff but Harland and Wolff built for many other lines. A list of the ships they built shows this. All shipping lines had their usual shipbuilders. For example, Cunard used John Brown and Hunter Swan as theirs.
Otherwise this is a great history of the Olympic-class ships. Thank you for uploading this!
I believe the implication here was that Harland and Wolff didn't build any ships for direct competitors of White Star. Or is even that an incorrect statement?
They said for no Completing ones
This documentary was made in 1985, Before or After the Titanic was discovered? that being said, This documentary is fantastically accurate, joyful to watch.
Apparently it was made before the Titanic was found, according to a review on Amazon.
@@mrkipling2201 thanks
Imagine if the wreck of the Titanic and Britannic were found before the mid 1930s. The Olympic may not have been scrapped then.
Glad you got your hands on this mark, it's amazing I get to watch this again never thought in a hundred years I would get too.
I CANT EVEN IMAGINE WHAT THOSE POOR PEOPLE WENT THROUGH THAT NIGHT FREEZING WATER AND PITCH BLACK NIGHT R.I.P 🚢🙏🕊⚘️TO ALL LIVES GONE
Phew this is old I remember watching this when I was a kid with mom, damn crazy memories I never thought I'd see again.
The OLYMPIC is definitely my favorite.
Sorry, only Britanic and Titanic though both sunk are still in existence. The Olympic survived but was scrapped.
Britannic and Titanic are still underwater
@@MasterBritannicJess and it took decades to find them after they sank.
Know we know it wasn't a big gash in Titanic. It was a series of small openings made by the berg as the ship bounced along. It opened up 6 compartments. The water tight compartments were open at the top, so even though the doors were closed it created an ice tray effect. The pumps only bought minutes, they were so far back in the ship it took considerable time to get the hoses up to the impacted compartments which were already flooded. They had to open the water tight doors manually because you couldn't open them by a switch from the bridge, they could only be closed from there. I think the best option would have been to ram the berg head on. As for the British Board of Trade they like all other nations assumed the number of lifeboats needed by gross tonnage and not actual number that the ship was made to hold. If they had judged it by the capacity of passengers, many more or all on board would have probably made it. Not to mention class structure was a real problem as well as different languages and no public address systems. I don't think Titanic had any interpreters on board either, I could be wrong. If they did I'd say it was a very few. A lot of problems. Became clear that night. Shipping definitely changed for the better because of this, though it was a needless tragedy.
👍👌👏😊❤️ thanks for showing
Where do you find these programs. Thank You for the interesting show.
You are welcome
One of the best documentary videos. I remember watching this almost every night after work back in 1986. Is there a better video avaliable….the quality is somewhat disappointing.
Maybe ballard should recover one of the artillary pieces exposed in the lucitania
There weren't any pieces of artillery aboard Lusitania.
Olympic the Beloved
Titanic the Damned
Britannic the Forgotten
Could you upload a documentary about the Britannic from Greece which had footage from both the 2000 movie and the 1997 Titanic?
I believe the Britannic was originally going to be called gigantic, according to a documentary I saw in the nineties.
There is nothing to prove that.
@@Dizzy19. watch the documentary Titanic the story 1993, it's briefly mentioned in that.
@@JohnLee-pt5jz TH-cam won't let me leave a link, but if you look on Flickr, 'HMHS Britannic construction,' there is a clear sign in front of the ship while under construction that says Britannic.
@@ArronP Thankyou Arron P. Your probably the first person you agreed on my comment, people said where's your proof. I told them to watch the 1993 Titanic, documentary narrated by Robert Powell all the answers are there. It still available on TH-cam.
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I saw another documentary that said HMS Hawke and the Olympic were racing each other out of Southampton harbour. Is that true or just speculation?? Such a shame that it was scrapped. Maybe it could have kept and used as a floating museum??
They were not 'racing.' At the time Olympic was under the command of a harbour pilot. When the collision happened, Hawke was moving at eight knots.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 no problem thanks for the info. It was just something I heard on a documentary about the Olympic. I wasn’t sure if it was fact or just one of those things that people speculate about.
Olympic didn't deserve to be scrapped if Queen Mary can be turned into a floating museum why couldn't Olympic?? White Star's biggest ship ever built it's a pitty
I guess Olympic was surely old reliable.
Well THAT'S kind of fascinating.
~ 12:29
There are two tugboats in this section, and I can tell by experience with what I'm seeing that the names of the two tugboats have been scored over so they can't be read. It was done sloppily and ages ago. Who knows why? The sterns of the tugboats appear to be covered with artificial clouds of smoke. You can either do that on the original negative, by using ink on each frame, or you can use an internegative process.
But it's truly kind of weird. Why is someone blanking out the names of two little tugboats in an ancient film?
If I had to guess I'd say either White Star or Harland and Wolff didn't want the names of any but their very own boats to appear in anything filmed around Titanic or Olympic or Britannic...
The tugboats look very much like those which operated in New York at the time. If so, 'New York' would have been visible on the stern. Perhaps this was erased to enable those making the newsreel to suggest that the port was Southampton?
@@dovetonsturdee7033 So that may have been a 'home port' banner instead of a name?
I know most boats (ships?) that I remember seeing will have a name like "Ariadne" on the top of the stern surface, and then maybe "Panama" in smaller letters underneath. But on municipal or national fleet boats or ships I could see maybe there's a different custom depending on the type.
@@abcde_fz I have seen similar photos. of New York tugboats from the period which have 'New York' clearly painted on the stern.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 Cool. Really does make me wonder why the 'wiping out' happened. Someone literally had to go frame-by-frame just to do that...
@@abcde_fzAs there were so few photographs of Titanic someone decided to convince people that the ship in the film clip was her. It's Olympic in New York, the names of the tugs would have given the game away, so they scrubbed them out.
Why are they hiding the names of the tug boats
Because the tugs had 'New York' on their sterns. The newsreel people had very little footage of Titanic, but after her sinking everyone wanted to see some. Newsreel footage of Olympic, of which there was plenty, was used instead, on the assumption that the general public would not know the difference.
However, even the most gormless member of the public knew that Titanic never reached New York
Sunk for gun running artillary on a passenger ship hmmm
Er. That was Lusitania, in 1915. She wasn't 'gun running' by the way. Details of her cargo were on the manifest submitted to the American authorities, and no one has every found anything in the wreck which wasn't on that manifest.
If it had to happen, would it have been better for the ship if it hit the iceberg head on??
I've heard that is correct. The bulkhead was designed to withstand a head on collision. The front and rear bulkheads were apparently higher aswell. So it is theorised she may well have survived had she taken it head on.
Yes then she Be still underwater
These are all British Vessels
And your point? It's the sister ships of the Titanic.
@@titanicfilmsbymark so did the British royals had to pay the victims of this tragedy?
@@calisuds9830 No. If there is a transportation with an American ship or plane, does the President have to pay out? Of course not.
Hi Mark, There is no mentioned about the tugs assisting Titanic, or was it not the Titanic, as the names on the stern of the tugs have had their names scraped off the emulsion side of the celluloid film. Tugs are identifiable, and these tugs could have been in a port that Titanic had not been too. There is no mention of the possible switch of the Titanic with the Olympic, seeing that the Olympic was in such a bad state from her earlier collision. It's keel was also bent. The two ships were swapped and the ship that sank, could easily have been the Olympic, otherwise White Star may have gone into Liquidation.
The names were removed because they used the Olympic material. There was no Titanic material available because she sank on April 12th, 1912.
@@titanicfilmsbymark *15th.
Why would there be a mention of the 'switch?' The whole thesis is beyond absurd. Had you bothered to have done any actual research, you could have looked at the Admiralty report of the extent of the damage to Olympic, which appeared in November, and summarised it as “Two major watertight compartments were flooded, hull plating gashed from the Orlop deck to E deck, and the starboard propeller shafting damaged.”
No reference at all to keel damage, largely because Olympic had a beam of 92 feet, and Hawke's ram bow only penetrated around six to eight feet, nowhere near far enough to damage the keel.
As to White Star 'going into liquidation,' in the financial year 1910-1911 their accounts showed a profit of £1,073,752. Why not find out how much that figure in 1911 would be worth today. I'm not going to do it for you. You might be surprised to read how far White Star really was from liquidation in 1911.
What you must understand is that the switchers need to exaggerate their claims in order to give any (spurious) credibility to their arguments. Put simply, unless the extent of the damage to Olympic is stated as vastly greater than evidence from the time suggests that it was, then their whole fantasy collapses.
They rely on people swallowing everything they say at face value, when in reality even a small amount of investigation reveals these people for what they truly are.
£130,680,451 in today’s money. Hardly close to liquidation!!
@@mrkipling2201 Indeed. Another part of the Switcher myth :-
1). Olympic was damaged beyond repair in the Hawke collision. Totally disproved by the records from the time.
2). White Star were on their uppers, financially. Nonsense. Simply look at their accounts from 1910-1911.
Not that it matters. The Switchers aren't interested in facts.
Titanic was on purpose and no one did a thing. It's a "Rich Man's World" and we're all living in it.
It was not on purpose.
@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY sure it wasn't lol
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