It was more popular than dbz back in the 90s. One of my favorites along with dbz. The third season of this show was my favorite and I didn't think anything could be better than the toguro arc
I love this show so fucking much. Encapsulating the near perfection of the 90s animation art style. Togashi makes antagonists that you can love just as much as the protagonists. Beautiful romance & depiction of the judgement we all make on ourselves. Toguro's ego and attachment blinded him from having compassion for himself. He could not approach forgiveness after his reality, perception, and world were warped by the massacre of his friends. He simply couldn't move on after witnessing the price of weakness. Forever repeating the ironic behavior that broke his whole worldview in the first place.
There is something sad about anti-heroes like Toguro. They remind me of our own past possible errors in life. Like some old versions of ourselfves are warning us about future similar errors. Like "I(Toguro in this example) have been here and I had shitty attitude but take my wrong behaviour as an example and try to be better than me." These arhietypes are like parallel teachers to us. In his path to the "astral prison" he is trying to warn the protagonist to be aware of the possible deviation towards the dark side of the path. Which I found gratious and a moment of engligthement and that's one of the reasons to believe that Togruo has atoned some of his sins but still he is romanised by me. I am aware that he had killed a lot of people and his karma is heavy and probably he is going to repent an eternity there. Still he can be used as a "dark" example for us "humans" how to walk a better life path. In general bad guys as Toguro are more realistic version of the hero stereotype to me. The second thing is that we know that Toguro had a rough past so he was a good hearted guy at the begining. With some other anti-heroes I wouldn't be so inclined in the anti-hero stereotype where the anti hero is just some crazy guy without really traumatic "justified" past.
That's why he is one of my all time best villains. From a different point of view he was a really good guy even like Sensui but evil broke his heart and changed him to super villain.
@@kevinreynold5590 I initially preferred Sensui during the first half of Chapter Black Arc, however, after the introduction of the whole split personalities angle and the whole thing being revealed to be one convoluted suicide attempt, i eventually grew to favor Toguro's more ( relatively) grounded characterization.
LOL! English/American version is Toguro expressing his love for Genkai. Japanese dub (The real true version) shows Toguro blaming himself and in a way blaming Genkai for not joining him. This is the drama that we missed and it makes perfect sense. They should really redo the English/American Yu Yu Hakusho. Same old graphics and all scenes except replace the script to the original. Age 20+ script where it's not good for children or teens to see. Because seeing this original for the very first time blew my mind and it's like 100 times better than what I originally in saw and heard in the English/American version.
I really wish the dub was redone. I wasn't thrilled at all with the old dubs in the earlier days of Funimation. Especially with Lupin III and DBZ and YYH. Choice of dialogue and voices and mispronouncing some Japanese names for the characters is what made me dissatisfied with them.
Having seen the dub scene literally hundreds of times, it's crazy to compare the results of the localization vs. the translation. There's some clunky lines in the dub (mostly the boat flashback until the powerhouse "I can't help but think..") and Linda Young lacks some of the youthfulness in her voice to sell young Genkai (still love her performance), but here the two seem more distant than former lovers spurned by fate and obstinateness. Maybe that's more realistic after 50 years + a fight to the death and I just prefer the more forlorn lovers angle. One day I'll switch my dub rerun for a sub viewing. Thanks for the upload.
It should be noted that they were not lovers in the original Japanese. Genkai was in love with Toguro, but he did not return her feelings. Toguro was always too focused on the martial arts to recognize anything else.
@@robertosoto6881Respectfully, I disagree. I know there's nostalgia at play here, but the translation seems much more "matter of fact" than the localization. "He lied to himself, saying he was after strength." does not hit me like "But I suspect underneath it all, he was just an ordinary man, with a wounded heart and a broken dream." Thanks for sharing though, and I'm glad you're enjoying a new viewing :)
Kudos to the English dubbers (English voice overs) of this anime. They did not stray away from messages and emotions this anime was trying to convey. I think the English translation made it better.
The sub VA is better (due in no small part to the genius Megumi Hayashibara as Genkai) but the dialogue itself is much better in English, sounding more bittersweet than the Japanese script
I'm utterly shocked with what the Funimation writers were able to layer on top of this scene. There's regret and longing here, but no "It would've been a beautiful life" level stinger.
@@drewtweedie7408 It's like the whole "Broken Clock Right Twice A Day" thing Sure they screwed a lot of things they did up over the years, but when they did something right, it was *_very_* right.
Wow. And it makes perfect sense. Koenma was actually a teenager or a young child close to becoming a teenager. In the English/American version, Koenma is a baby. Lol. The Japanese dub makes a lot of sense.
Well he has 2 forms. Baby and teenager. Sub is good but it didn’t catch the characters much. Look at Yusuke sub va . Yusuke was supposed to be a punk kid with bad attitude. Sub didn’t catch that at all. Reason why togashi liked dub more than sub cause dub Yusuke va portray Yusuke vary well with the attitude and being a punk kid.
Ok turns out the script is the same except English/American version is for all ages while Japanese version is for ages 20+. A lot more serious. I prefer the Japanese dub.
I think you ought to change the title to something like "Toguro's Farewell (Japanese)" or something like that, I was looking for this, and I think you'll end up getting more views clarifying what this is that way
Megumi Hayashibara voiced Genkai as a young girl, not as an old woman. Also Tessho Genda is Younger Toguro. But Linda Young and Dameon Clarke did just as good as Megumi Hayashibara and Tessho Genda as young Genkai and Younger Toguro, respectively.
why toguro is bleeding after they go out from the boat? did it mean he had a terminal disease? also someone knows the soundtrack that is when they remember their past??
No, he didn't had a terminal disease. That scene is a shortened version of another flashback, and after saying those words about not whanting to die, Toguro bited his lips out of frustration, bleeding from the wound he inflicted on himselfe
Mistake in the subtitles at 6:17. Genkai asks Toguro if it's enough already, and he replies "that's wrong", but subs say "No, it isn't." Basically he's denying her version of events and insisting otherwise, but the subbing error is misleading unfortunately.
I find it really annoying in a good way that ALL, EVERY SINGLE ONE, of females in anime sound hot asf. Even Anko from Naruto in the future. In the show "Boruto" she still sounds hot.
This is such an underrated series. The entire Dark Tournament in general is arguably the best tournament arc in all of anime
It was actually very popular in the 90s.
But yes, it should have the same notierty as DBZ
Underrated? No bro it was a big big big hit in the 90s both the anime and manga. It's considered one of the best animes of all time!
Not arguably this shit easily the goat tournament arc
It was more popular than dbz back in the 90s. One of my favorites along with dbz. The third season of this show was my favorite and I didn't think anything could be better than the toguro arc
@@trueh8 Lol! Good joke
Probably the best villain Togashi sensei has ever wrote
I love this show so fucking much. Encapsulating the near perfection of the 90s animation art style. Togashi makes antagonists that you can love just as much as the protagonists.
Beautiful romance & depiction of the judgement we all make on ourselves. Toguro's ego and attachment blinded him from having compassion for himself. He could not approach forgiveness after his reality, perception, and world were warped by the massacre of his friends. He simply couldn't move on after witnessing the price of weakness. Forever repeating the ironic behavior that broke his whole worldview in the first place.
There is something sad about anti-heroes like Toguro.
They remind me of our own past possible errors in life. Like some old versions of ourselfves are warning us about future similar errors. Like "I(Toguro in this example) have been here and I had shitty attitude but take my wrong behaviour as an example and try to be better than me." These arhietypes are like parallel teachers to us.
In his path to the "astral prison" he is trying to warn the protagonist to be aware of the possible deviation towards the dark side of the path. Which I found gratious and a moment of engligthement and that's one of the reasons to believe that Togruo has atoned some of his sins but still he is romanised by me. I am aware that he had killed a lot of people and his karma is heavy and probably he is going to repent an eternity there.
Still he can be used as a "dark" example for us "humans" how to walk a better life path.
In general bad guys as Toguro are more realistic version of the hero stereotype to me.
The second thing is that we know that Toguro had a rough past so he was a good hearted guy at the begining.
With some other anti-heroes I wouldn't be so inclined in the anti-hero stereotype where the anti hero is just
some crazy guy without really traumatic "justified" past.
It's the saddest scene in this anime, and in all anime. I cried on this moment, Toguro dramatic and wonderful character 😭
That's why he is one of my all time best villains. From a different point of view he was a really good guy even like Sensui but evil broke his heart and changed him to super villain.
@@sundrive2575 absolutely agree
I get how he didn't want to be "vulnerable" ever again. Despite Genkai telling him it wasn't his fault.
@@justincollins3874 yeah...
Toguro is a great character and this scene is wonderful 🙏🏻
Interesting to see the differences in dialog of this and the dub
Translations are always kinda rough lol I like the English version myself
Some of the lines in the dub are better.
koenma in english dubbed: just an ordinary man, with a wounded heart, and a broken dream...
Damn that hits hard !
Toguro Brothers might not be the most powerful villains, but they are much more memorable than any other antagonist later on.
Yep. Sensui and the blind demon (forgot his name] kurama buddy were too emo to me.
@@kevinreynold5590 I initially preferred Sensui during the first half of Chapter Black Arc, however, after the introduction of the whole split personalities angle and the whole thing being revealed to be one convoluted suicide attempt, i eventually grew to favor Toguro's more ( relatively) grounded characterization.
LOL! English/American version is Toguro expressing his love for Genkai. Japanese dub (The real true version) shows Toguro blaming himself and in a way blaming Genkai for not joining him. This is the drama that we missed and it makes perfect sense. They should really redo the English/American Yu Yu Hakusho. Same old graphics and all scenes except replace the script to the original. Age 20+ script where it's not good for children or teens to see. Because seeing this original for the very first time blew my mind and it's like 100 times better than what I originally in saw and heard in the English/American version.
I really wish the dub was redone. I wasn't thrilled at all with the old dubs in the earlier days of Funimation. Especially with Lupin III and DBZ and YYH. Choice of dialogue and voices and mispronouncing some Japanese names for the characters is what made me dissatisfied with them.
Remember when Luffy doing internship in the underworld before searching for the one piece? 😂😂😂
He was also gokus sideman
Having seen the dub scene literally hundreds of times, it's crazy to compare the results of the localization vs. the translation. There's some clunky lines in the dub (mostly the boat flashback until the powerhouse "I can't help but think..") and Linda Young lacks some of the youthfulness in her voice to sell young Genkai (still love her performance), but here the two seem more distant than former lovers spurned by fate and obstinateness. Maybe that's more realistic after 50 years + a fight to the death and I just prefer the more forlorn lovers angle. One day I'll switch my dub rerun for a sub viewing. Thanks for the upload.
It should be noted that they were not lovers in the original Japanese. Genkai was in love with Toguro, but he did not return her feelings. Toguro was always too focused on the martial arts to recognize anything else.
@@grovermonster883Interesting. It's so hard for me to adjust to this because of the impact the dub had on me, but I enjoy the novelness of it.
Hey this is my first time here in the sub re-run.
It's crazy to realize how amazing and better the subbed version is.
@@robertosoto6881Respectfully, I disagree. I know there's nostalgia at play here, but the translation seems much more "matter of fact" than the localization. "He lied to himself, saying he was after strength." does not hit me like "But I suspect underneath it all, he was just an ordinary man, with a wounded heart and a broken dream." Thanks for sharing though, and I'm glad you're enjoying a new viewing :)
They weren't ever stated to be lovers in the original Japanese version.
Toguro is like Kurtz from Apocalypse Now
They saw the horror but they embraced it to gain strength rather than turn away and retain their humanity
Can you imagine if ryo marufuji gets sent here after his death in the other dimension?
Back watching this in the 90's, I thought Toguro was just plain evil. But now I now realize he was just a broken man who went down the wrong path....
Kudos to the English dubbers (English voice overs) of this anime. They did not stray away from messages and emotions this anime was trying to convey. I think the English translation made it better.
The sub VA is better (due in no small part to the genius Megumi Hayashibara as Genkai) but the dialogue itself is much better in English, sounding more bittersweet than the Japanese script
I'm utterly shocked with what the Funimation writers were able to layer on top of this scene. There's regret and longing here, but no "It would've been a beautiful life" level stinger.
@@drewtweedie7408 It's like the whole "Broken Clock Right Twice A Day" thing
Sure they screwed a lot of things they did up over the years, but when they did something right, it was *_very_* right.
Wow. And it makes perfect sense. Koenma was actually a teenager or a young child close to becoming a teenager. In the English/American version, Koenma is a baby. Lol. The Japanese dub makes a lot of sense.
Well he has 2 forms. Baby and teenager. Sub is good but it didn’t catch the characters much. Look at Yusuke sub va . Yusuke was supposed to be a punk kid with bad attitude. Sub didn’t catch that at all. Reason why togashi liked dub more than sub cause dub Yusuke va portray Yusuke vary well with the attitude and being a punk kid.
Maybe in the Spiritual Realm full of immortal beings Koenma is relatively still a baby
Toguro was the only reason I saw this arc.
So nicely done
The most sad scene in this wonderful anime. 😢
4:13 Song?
Ok turns out the script is the same except English/American version is for all ages while Japanese version is for ages 20+. A lot more serious. I prefer the Japanese dub.
I think you ought to change the title to something like "Toguro's Farewell (Japanese)" or something like that, I was looking for this, and I think you'll end up getting more views clarifying what this is that way
Thank you for the advice. I will add it to the title. Overall I don't do it for the views but to help anybody reach it.
I found it no prob by typing in genkai and.
toguro
Megumi Hayashibara voiced Genkai as a young girl, not as an old woman. Also Tessho Genda is Younger Toguro. But Linda Young and Dameon Clarke did just as good as Megumi Hayashibara and Tessho Genda as young Genkai and Younger Toguro, respectively.
Oh sweet, Mayumi Tanaka!
Who?
Genkai's voice is Megumi Hayashibara.
@@taichiichinose51 Ohhh
why toguro is bleeding after they go out from the boat? did it mean he had a terminal disease? also someone knows the soundtrack that is when they remember their past??
That's the hurt he's been hiding since his guilt from not being able to save his pupils from Kairen prior to the Dark Tournament back then.
No, he didn't had a terminal disease. That scene is a shortened version of another flashback, and after saying those words about not whanting to die, Toguro bited his lips out of frustration, bleeding from the wound he inflicted on himselfe
You know the series was getting bad after he was gone. Neither main villain after his demise was as good as he is. Fact
Chapter Black arc was still good but the Dark Tournament was the peak of this show fr. Three Kings arc was ass though.
Mistake in the subtitles at 6:17. Genkai asks Toguro if it's enough already, and he replies "that's wrong", but subs say "No, it isn't." Basically he's denying her version of events and insisting otherwise, but the subbing error is misleading unfortunately.
Thanks for sharing.
I find it really annoying in a good way that ALL, EVERY SINGLE ONE, of females in anime sound hot asf. Even Anko from Naruto in the future. In the show "Boruto" she still sounds hot.