Retired teacher here. If you suspect that students are cheating, you need to change their seating arrangement ASAP instead of allowing them to continue with the test. Problem solved.
I was a lab assistant for an A&P lab in college. I'd taken the class myself and I was still a student, so it was easy to see who was cheating. I would just go stand next to or nearby their desks. Problem solved every time.
That makes too much sense. I don't think it would work🤣. That would be like something they would do in, I don't know, the medical field, when testing theories or medications to see if results differ in different TEST subjects.
The only computerized tests I ever took were for online classes and in the "learning center." Odds of two people taking the same test, at the same time, was slim. The computers were locked down, i.e. a specially modified web browser was used so you couldn't do _anything_ else but the test, not even access the Windows Calculator app. Plus, the computers were arranged so the only thing you could see, besides the monitor, was the wall!
OR actually be there monitoring them not just digitally. I don't trust him if he was just digitally monitoring and even so I'd wonder if he had a video over the class and could show the recording and since he had the assumption beforehand could've pointed his own perspective specifically on them in a safe way with video to prove himself right. It comes across very preset biased against these women.
When I was in forth grade, my teacher sent me home with a nasty note accusing my parents of doing my math homework for me. While I had the right answers, my work didn't use the method that was taught in the classroom because I thought it was "stupid." My mother told the teacher that she definitely didn't do my math homework, because she couldn't even understand my math (this was during the "New Math" era). The principal made me do my math homework in his office for a week and turn it into him when I finished. In the end of the week, they had to admit that I was doing my own work, and they couldn't mark it wrong because my answers were all correct.
In my 9th-grade algebra class in 1970, I got into a discussion with my teacher about how the equations should be written out... he thought I was a smart-ass because I proved him wrong via the chalkboard in front of the whole class. I received a D grade because of that but went on to get my Ph.D. in mathematical sciences from MIT. I never did well with many of my high school teachers' pompous attitudes but was always treated with respect at MIT. Some teachers can be real know it all's but a good teacher enjoys the thoughts and hard work their students put forward.
I am astonished to find that so many people had such bad experiences with the "New Math" that I did myself. The "New Math" was a utter, disgraceful failure of the "education system". Most people today do not even know about it ever existing, because it was covered up and forgotten. But it did a hell of a lot of damage in it's time and it should be used as an example of what educators should NOT be doing. My father taught me math. He was an accountant and had worked for years on Wall Street. Guess what? He knew math, very very well. As a kid in school at the time of the "New Math" I got challenged over and over because I did math the way my Dad did. My father marched into the school four separate times and tore the teachers and principal to shreds, showing off their ignorance to them. But I still dislike math today because of the stress of those times. (and I still taught my kids math my dad's way!)
I was falsely accused of cheating/lying about a 4H handicraft project that I submitted for judging at the county fair when I was 8 or 9 years old. They said it was too good and that obviously it was bought at a craft shop. I actually did build it myself with advice and supervision from my dad. The only part that I did not do with my own hands was to make a cut on a table saw that I was not allowed to use at that age. It sucks to be falsely accused.
I was falsely accused of cheating on a calculus test during my senior year of high school. I had Mono. I was out of school for 3 weeks (?). I basically taught myself the calculus work I missed. There was a test the first day back and the teacher made me take it. I got the highest grade in the class. (Which was normal...) He kicked me out of his class.
Not the same thing, but I was notorious for never doing classwork or homework. Still passed, aced quizzes and tests. But one day, the assignment was to draw a map with land features, cities, roads, etc. Well, I was always drawing. And I loved maps. So I went home, and did that homework. It was done early. We had a week to do it. I did it in a night and turned it in. My mother was stunned. I was given a zero. Accused of not doing it. A week AFTER it was due, the teacher found it in his desk. Gave me an A- because it was "late."
Got a 100 on a University test on which the Professor NEVER gave anyone a hundred (because nobody is 'perfect') even though his Graduate assistant graded the paper according to the Professor's own grading metric. She could not believe (accept) it, and I had to have an Academic Dean adjudicate the grade, which stayed on the record. However, the remaining 3 assignments she graded personally and the best I could manage was a 97, handed back with the smuggest of self-satisfied smirks. What a piece of work.
All your experiences shared here indicate that we have a failure of an educational system because the so-called educators are all failures because they all think that all their students are dumb and need to be saved from ignorance, and when students smarter than them start showing up, their swollen “educator” egos can’t take it so they humiliate the student and beat them down with false accusations of lying & cheating, or they simply kick the student out or give him/her a zero. It gives me the chills wondering how many future Einsteins, Economists, and REAL educators who would’ve saved our economy and advanced our well-being have been snuffed out into mediocrity. We all pay the price now for that. Just look at our dismal economy. And NASA can no longer put man on the moon but has to rely on an immigrant from South Africa to put a real space program together for America. SMH
If the professor was so suspicious of them that he told the proctor to keep a close eye especially on them, why did he not make arrangements for them to sit apart? Sounds like he wanted to set them up for some reason, and he is almost certainly the one responsible for spreading the rumors.
Steve, I am a 39 year old identical twin. You would not believe how common some of this stuff is. Including your 'switching' idea. The most common one I get is 'Where is your twin?' When I hear that these days, I never seem to have my crystal ball nearby but I do give it a try. I bow my head to prepare my Xavier-like powers, (hoping I don't crap my pants) place hands on my temple and close my eyes... "I don't know... He's out of range."
I've actually been accused of cheating via "Twin Telepathy" before. If a damn medical school actually went with that explanation, I think that school should have it's credentials revoked. Twins have often been raised in near-identical situations. The result of this, even with fraternal twins (Which I am), twins will often have similar or identical thought patterns and behaviors. This explains the similar test results and some of the "nodding" It's not impossible they were cheating, but i find the evidence incredibly thin. The professor should have not put them at the same table, and should have also randomized test questions.
But did you swap classes and ensure that the teachers didn't know. I had this happen a couple of times with identical female high school students. Yes, they got almost identical scores almost every year in every subject. Writing reports was a pain as you had to find something different to write about. Not easy at all. Six years of this shit drove me crazy!!!!!
I'm the older brother of identical twin brothers. They're a year and 9 months younger than me, but we were a year apart in school, so I knew all their classmates and teachers. The amount of magical things that people believe about twins is exasperating. I laughed when Steve said, "We can't feel each other's pain." because it is absolutely funny how many people believe it's true. That and being able to read each others' minds. I blame the GI Joe cartoon from the 80s for this one. The amount of people who think bad things about twins just because they're identical is unreal, though. Probably the most common question I would get was, "How do you tell them apart?" The answer is: They don't look identical to me because I grew up with them. This would be met with disbelief, and people would try to trap me by asking which twin was which. They couldn't believe that someone could actually tell them apart. This seems innocent, but the reason why people would ask is because they were suspicious of them switching places or being otherwise tricked. Teachers believed me, but only because they needed to rely on me to identify the twin when they were convinced they were being tricked. They had similar behaviors and were very close to each other, but while they were distinct people to me, others saw them as two halves of a malicious whole. A particularly vile classmate of theirs was once caught shoplifting, and when he accused my brothers of making him do it just because they were there with him, he was believed. My brothers hadn't shoplifted anything, mind you, but they weren't allowed to go into shops together after that; all the shops in the area had been warned about "the twins". I have all kinds of stories like this, and I don't think my brothers even know how much trouble they didn't get into because teachers would ask me before accusing.
@@godlyfrog, excuse me for putting this rudely, but, that's so fucked up. Bad enough for them to have to constantly defend themselves just for being who they were. But how sucky it had to be for you, too, to know that your brothers were on the up and up, but, "Hey! Let's put their own brother in the middle of OUR issues with his family.
I remember a case from years ago about twins being accused of cheating and the school tested it by putting the two in different rooms and giving them an essay test. Only to get back two almost completely identical essays. Nearly word for word. When they were nowhere near each other or had any way of communicating.
It's hard to see how "signalling" would convey enough information to allow them to get identical scores on a medical exam. They would almost need to be using sign language constantly to pass that much info.
@@nevyn_karres As a graduate of medical school, they are all multiple choice exams (or checkbox “Check all of the following that are correct”). They are set up to emulate the US Medical Licensing Exam, which is also multiple choice. The board exams (which board-certify you to be a certain type of doctor, e.g. general surgeon) are more intensive and require an oral exam too. If it makes you feel any better, I’ve had multiple choice questions that have choices A-M. They are hard tests.
Happened to my father and his twin brother on an Army test. They got identical answers on the General Aptitude Test. Thousands were in the room. They didn't know both were in the room. Commandant wanted to know how they cheated. I warn my son to challenge any accusation of cheating.
When I was in college I had a close friend accused of plagiarism on a small, insignificant paper. We shared to class and the paper was based on an endangered species, and the teacher had no evidence. She was put before the board and they agreed she plagiarized despite no source paper, luckily it was shot down by the dean because it was nonsensical. Long story short teachers tend to agree with each other despite evidence showing otherwise
"Actions speak louder than words" tells me that in asking them to leave, he was rubber stamping the rumor, and TELLING the rest of the world that they cheated.
That in itself was the foundation of the defamation act. By not insisting that the sisters remain at the school, and then calling a special assembly to establish to the whole student body that no cheating had ever occurred (while also establishing the reasons behind that final assessment), in some administratively covert and mysteriously authoritarian fashion, when the sisters were threateningly "advised" (by the dean, no less) to abandon their status as students in good standing and flee the institution, to the whole student body those sister had instead been "kicked" out of the school specifically for dishonest conduct. Academically, this is giving absolutely no quarter that could be transferred to any other education facility.
I have a story about alleged cheating, in my final year of High School, I received the highest marks in the school in 3 subjects and in the highest 5 in the remaking subjects. Two of Heads of Subject I’d topped accused me of cheating (because their “favourites” hadn’t topped their subject, because they were external exams the subject Heads couldn’t fix for their favourites). At the school Assembly I called out the Heads at the Presentation ceremony, I asked them who I had cheated from to top the year? I invited them to set exams for their favourites and me to re-sit, I challenged them to an oral quiz with their favourites, I laughed at their discomfort and called out their acts of favouritism systematically “favoured” their favourites in areas that had an “assessment” component. They tried to shout me down, but the Assembly was attended by parents who,yelled out that I be allowed to finish. I walked off the stage and gave the Heads the finger, leaving my Subject Prizes on the presentation table. I never walked back into that school. Years later I was approached to attend a reunion, my wife (who didn’t attend the school) talked me into attending. I had a terrific time and lost count of the people who walked up to me and thanked me for the calling out, apparently it started a whole new era of intolerance to bullying by staff or students, a system of mutual self help and an “Unofficial” and anonymous school Newspaper that called out bad behaviour weekly. Funny thing was the GPA of the school rose steadily after my calling out!
I had an advanced algebra class in 11th grade. I was easily the top math student at the school and the class was very easy. I never wrote "work" down as I easily did all the problems in my head. On one particular exam I was the first one done by at least 5 minutes. I turned my test in and the teacher had the gall to hand it back to me and say "You'd better write some work down so I don't think you cheated". I loudly said "I'm the first one finished - exactly who could I have cheated from?" I took the test, wrote some "work", and handed it back to him, still before anybody else finished. It was an interesting event to me just because of the sheer audacity of claiming that if I didn't write "work" I must have cheated. I had the same teacher the next year and he chilled dramatically in that time. I had a particular problem once where I knew the answer but didn't know how to derive it, so I asked him. He looked at me and said "I know you have the ability to do these in your head, let's see how to do it on paper". It was apparently his way of apologizing for the prior year's nonsense. He was head of the math department and at graduation gave me the "best math student" award.
Been reading this story and the so called "evidence" is as flimsy wet tissue paper and such claims should have been shot down immediately by the professor's superiors for lack of evidence and never gone to any sort of hearing. Also sounds like the bitter teacher leaked it to punish them even though he was told the twins did nothing wrong.
Back in the early 1970s while at first semester college, three of us had the highest scores in this English class (97, 96, 95) and each of us received B for the course. We went to the instructor and asked why (one student that we knew had an 83 score and received an A). His answer “You three didn’t ever come to my apartment, for private tutoring - - she did’. ‼️😳🤔😵💫 We were just 18 and didn’t go to the Dean, as didn’t know to do that. I hope that karma eventually got that creep.
My brother in-law was a twin. It’s amazing how similar their lives are. The funnies thing I witnessed was when they both saw one of the Crocodile Dundee movies. The woman in the movie was washing her face in the river and Don got in front of the TV and was getting a close up view of the pretty lady. The Croc came out of the water and Don nearly jumped out of his skin. About a half-hour later, Don’s twin, Arnold, showed up at the house. Don insisted that we back up the video and show Arnold the same scene. Without any prompting, Arnold got up close to the TV to check out the pretty lady. The Croc came out of the water and Arnold jumped out of his skin. Everybody was laughing because of how close their reactions were to the same movie scene.
Amazing. I've been fascinated with twins for years now, not because I'm a twin, we don't even have twins in our family, but instead because of how much alike my oldest son is to his father. I've held grade school pictures of my son next to same-age school pics of his Dad, and people swear it's the same kid but one pic is in black and white, the other in color. Right down to the same mole on the same side of the face, right next to the nose. Their personalities are almost identical, they went into the same field when leaving the military, IT experts. My son developed the same medical issue as his Dad. The reason this is all so weird is because after about kindergarten, my boys had almost no contact with their father, and it hadn't been constant contact even before that--dude paid little attention to his sons after our divorce. Yet today, my son is 46 and is a carbon-copy of his Dad, right down to the field they are experts in. In the "nature vs. nurture" area, it can't be nurture. I know that's not as strong a genetic link as identical twins, but holy cow are they alike.
I'm a fraternal twin. My twin and I were totally different. Just like normal brothers. He looked like Mom and I took after Dad. Our interests and talents were very different. We weren't that close.
I think that since there was no proof of telepathy, the fact that the students and, possibly, the town knew of the cheating charges, that someone in the administration told SOMEBODY of the allegation, then there was defamation. Possibly intentional leakage. I once told my daughter that something is a secret until you tell someone else.
I've proctored exams. From AP exams to SATs. So super high stakes. One day I administered an exam, I forget which one exactly. I had a student who I knew had a history of cheating. These kids know if I felt they cheated, I'd call college board myself on them. I specifically watched the student and had her placed in a location she could not view others. I was literally preemptively preventing any cheating. By the end of the day, one VP was in my room saying there had been an accusation this student had cheated. So I detailed all the ways i had ensured she was watched.
Dude. Call the College Board yourself??? Good luck. If you really had proctored AP exams, you would know that is not the protocol, but nice story. (You'd also know the protocol for how cell phones are handled in any of these exams. Again, nice story, though.)
@@avengingemmapeel yes, cell phones are turned in before hand, as were all other electronics, including headphones. And yes, there is a form where you can submit allegations of cheating, along with all other testing irregularities. As both a proctor and an AP reader, I can also escalate papers I suspect of cheating. Then it's on the CB to investigate. Only student I ever caught cheating was on a state exam, which I promptly reported and the student's scores were invalidated which forced him to have to retake the exit level exam the following year.
The fact that the campus knew before they did and that the Dean suggested they leave school? Both of those tell me that somebody in the administration had a very big mouth and the Dean needs to be held responsible because he obviously said something or did something to ruin these 2 girls's reputation
Yes it apears there was a violation of the ferpa before there was ever a hearing. Once the hearing found acedemic dishonesty, every one of their current and future instructors would know. Before that the only ones aware should be the teacher, the proctor and the board. My guess is the teacher or proctor leaked. This is why the ferpa exists.
I was not necessarily the dean. Anyone involved with the disciplinary hearing could have spread the rumors. Multiple Pele could have spread the rumors.
It's truly disappointing that an institution of medical academia and sciences jumped to a presumption of cheating. I, myself, presume that the professor was a PhD and taught a basic medical science class (1st two years of medical school) and wasn't uptodate on genetics and/or hadn't taken a genetics class in the past 30 years. What isn't as surprising is the classmates-- once a rumor of cheating starts, there goes the reputation and no one would work with them, collaborate with them, or even possibly have a recommendation letter come from a preceptor or senior, practicing MD, with the air of the scandal hovering over these 2 young women.
The story goes deeper. The medical college was in deep financial trouble after a previous president modernized the curriculum with a lot of virtual learning tools and computer modules. They were on President #3 in as many years when this occurred, the remaining professors in charge of curriculum were under the gun. Then, there had just been a huge scandal involving MUSC's board of trustees, where they spent some extra $800,000 on hotels and restaurants... the girls' grandfather sat on the board (and their father was a congressman). It's exactly the situation it appears to have been. One twin was struggling academically, the other was doing well. They took bathroom breaks sequentially during an exam and suddenly they both did well with statistically unlikely (but not impossible) exam results. I can't say whether they cheated, but their family was caught cheating the university... hard to say where the truth lays.
Me thinks you might be the professor with an axe to grind. Statistically identical twins tend to have similar IQs and grades even when separated at birth. I find favor less believable that one twin would be doing significantly better than the other.
My twin sisters use to take each other's test in high school all the time back in the early 80's. One was good at math and the other was good at grammar and reading.
If the proctor said they saw some suspicious activity, why didn't they act? Who spread the word? And why didn't the school publicly announce they weren't cheaters, and they were academically honest in the test once they knew the twins were being bullied and ostracized?
Our identical twin daughters were so annoyed with the ridiculous beliefs of others towards them. Classmates would ask “where’s your sister?” Um, I don’t know. “Yes you do! You’re twins!” People would assume all kinds of weird things about them knowing each other’s thoughts and feelings. And yes, they also were within 1-2 points on their PSAT, both got 100% lit and grammar SAT. Both were nearly equal in all their academic, athletic, etc skills. Because they were identical twins raised the same way by the same parents at the same school. I will also mention this for their sakes. They do not have identical personalities. They were not dressed alike nor referred to as “the twins” by us. They went to different colleges in different states for different majors.
I am an identical twin and I am so glad that you mentioned your daughters. No one else in the comments was an identical twin or the parent of them so I was starting to get tired of the same old twins are exactly alike rhetoric in the comments. I was born in 1969 and me and my sister were dressed a like and we were called "the twins" by our entire family even extended family we didn't know and by the few teachers we shared and we absolutely hated it. We felt like we didn't have our own identity outside of being a twin even our birthdays made it worse because we had to share our presents and the cake. It is really crazy the stupid ideas that people come up with or think about twins not sure exactly where they get it maybe tv or movies but I am sure your daughters have heard the same stupid questions that make you want to roll your eyes like I did when the first thing they said in the story was that the girls were mentally connected and a psychologist stated they had a special intertwining. Until I read your comment I didn't know what to think about the Bingham's girls because they were so much different than me and my sister. I don't understand the twins that love to look exactly a like or dress exactly a like, we tried everything possible to look different from the clothes we choose to hair styles or even hair dye and we never would have went to the same college or studied for the same exact career path. Me and my sister weren't lucky enough to be raised in a stable home like the one you provided your girls from the sounds of it, so I understand now it all depends on their upbringing.
@@MsJimmysgirl I’m so sorry to hear this. That’s exactly what frustrated our daughters, to be treated like a unit. You had to work so hard for your identity. I’m glad you did though. Keep taking care of yourself. We can fix the poor parenting for ourselves, thankfully.
@@MsJimmysgirl interesting. My dad is an identical twin. They live across the country from one another and have lived very different lives. I never stopped to think about how it must have felt growing up and being treated as a unit. They both have good senses of humor, so I've heard stories of their pranks. The schools used to have them dress in different shirt and gave them different class schedules, so they could tell them apart.
@@nleem3361 this sounds healthy to me. Good going for their parents and educators! It seems they may have had to move apart to be individuals. If so, I’m glad they did an sad they had to.
@@MsJimmysgirl Was in a restaurant next to a table of people talking about an upcoming Bar Mitzvah for twin boys. They were complaining that they would have to give TWO cash gifts instead of just one and could they justify just giving one cash gift and having the twins split it. Cheap bastards. I interrupted and told them as a twin who was Bar Mitzvahed myself if you want to insure that you will be hated by those twins and their parents for life you had better treat them as the two individuals they are and give them each a complete cash gift. Decades before when my older brother was Bar Mitzvahed he received $5,000 in cash gifts. When my twin brother and I were Bar Mitzvahed 2 years later we received exactly half each. I never forgot that. It wasn't just the cheapness, it was being treated like half a person that was so upsetting. I would have rather they gave no gifts at all than make us split the gifts as if we weren't complete people.
Yes, this is a real problem. When I started my Residency after medical school, the Chairman of the department told all of us, " How you are as a Resident will follow you throughout your career. No matter where you go, someone will know someone who knows you." Over 30 years later, no truer words have been spoken. I routinely run into people in the medical community throughout this country that know people in my medical school class. Your reputation follows you forever.
Not just medical school, but really any school. When I went to ISU, 3 students took a Snapchat pic of them near the George Washington Carver building sign, with the description "(n-word)'s only." Word about it got out faster than their feet touched the ground, and this was published by the school paper. I can only imagine that whatever they are doing now, is worse than going to college. Edit: unclear if they got kicked out, as it was not confirmed.
I will tell you a story like this told to me by a very good friend of mine who passed earleir this year. His name was Frank Andrews - a Cosmologist. Back in the 1970's he was studying what was a very small sub-field of cosmology... Stellar Metallicity (a common enough study now, but in the 1970's not so much). Frank told me that he kept hearing from other people in the astronomical community that he wasn't the only one here in New Zealand studying the field, and that there was another person they had heard about who was also studying this. The people who told him this usually didn't know who this other person was, as they have heard about this person _"from a friend or colleague or acquaintance"_ . After a few years, Frank was finally able to track down who this person was... it was him... he was the person people kept telling him about. Frank told me that at that moment, the world suddenly became a very lonely place.
Which explains why, on the rare occasions that a doctor is found guilty of misconduct, there are hundreds of people who immediately say "yeah, I always knew they were bad."
Steve, I live in Charleston and have all my medical done by MUSC. It’s a fine university and turns out some great doctors. This story gives me pause and I have to wonder about the administration’s sanity. Sounds to me like they based their condemnation of the twins strictly on “feelings” rather any definitive evidence. I’m glad the lawsuit was favorable for the twins as it sounds, to me, like they were unjustly accused of an academic crime with no substantial evidence.
Doctors, or those teaching future doctors, relying on 'feelings' before evidence really makes me anxious. I'm glad you've had good experiences with the school's graduates to be sure. But yikes, the idea of discarding all critical thinking skills and rational thought (as seems to have happened with these twins' case)... I'd side-eye a doctor who didn't run any test but declares a diagnosis based on feelings alone.
If the school had any evidence, they girls would have been expelled, instead of being talked into quitting, by the very person who was forced the rescind the guilty verdict.
I'm surprised it was only for 1.5 million. Simply the college fees for both of them together would have been 200-500k. Apart from that, the years wasted and other consideration it should have been much larger
40% to contingency attorney, subtract tuition and other costs of medical school that leaves little to the twins that were wronged and had their lives changed.
As I was leaving a college classroom after a big exam, I said to a classmate that I’d meet her at the car. The next day, I was called into a room by the instructor and told that her sub, had accused me of cheating. I sat there dumbfounded. It seems that my classmate had made a much better grade on that test, than usual. When told that, I stated that we had studied for hours together - - that was the end of that accusation. How in the world could we have cheated, while sitting at desks that weren’t close together at all?!
Why shield the privacy of the school by not naming it? Gossip and innuendo cut both ways - the school clearly didn’t protect the students’ right to privacy.
I personally had the honor of meeting identical twins who were 40 years old. The reason I mention it is I worked 2 jobs each on opposite sides of town. For months I interacted with each of them without realizing they were different people. It wasn't until I learned one of their names. I called out the wrong name to the other and tried to continue the conversation I had with his brother. He thought I was crazy. After a little bit of awkwardness I made a joke he must've been his twin brother. That's when he explained he was adopted and didn't know anything about his parents or other possible siblings. Well I arranged their first meeting face to face. Turned out they were separated as babies and adopted by different families. They walked, talked, sounded, and even dressed alike... Yet neither knew the other existed before... So I understand how twins can be..
I went to school with twin sisters. One became a nurse, the other a businesswoman. One April 1 they attempted a prank. The businesswoman dressed in her sister's scrubs and sat down at her desk in the nursing station. One of her co-workers suspected the prank and pranked right back, citing a horrendous and messy medical emergency that the nurse must attend to STAT. When the non-nurse twin all but turned green at the prospect, the jig was up.
I don't understand identicals that pull pranks like that... me and my twin sister never pulled pranks or switched dates or anything like that but we were always asked if we did that
I don't know whether this is true of all lawyers, but you are a wonderful extemporaneous speaker. And, you do know how to turn a phrase... I've known a few lawyers in my time, and most of them are difficult to abide in a social setting for any length of time. We need more attorneys like you!
Accusations and threats from universities can be devastating. I’m reminded of a young and promising student at Stanford University who killed herself after she was threatened with severe disciplinary action. Steve, please cover this story.
I'm reminded of a certain bakery that caught some shoplifters and then was persecuted by the college AND its students. Big payout on that lawsuit. Almost like these colleges aren't as smart as they think they are.
I love the saying the lady at the end of your videos did for this one. "We are all here on Earth to help others. What on Earth the others are here for I don't know." That is a classic !
If you set aside the "cheating" accusation for a minute and look at them being shunned by friends and classmates to the point suggested here, then advised that they leave that school one might think something else was happening to cause them being so alienated.
I had identical twins in a class I taught in college. They definitely worked together on assignments, but one day it was obvious that the sisters had traded papers and completed questions for each other-it was in the handwriting. They admitted it when confronted-it was dealt with quietly so that they wouldn’t have issues when entering medical school.
This univeristy medical program really needs to have their cerification examed seeing how they do not understand how twins work. This univeristy needs to go on probation and maybe even have their credditadion pulled for doing this.
In 1995, my statistics class at a small rural college utilized remote learing with a professor in Chicago. We had multiple 2-way cameras, monitors, microphones, and speakers. We could see and hear the professor, his local class, and things he wrote on the overhead projector. He could see and hear all of us - including when we raised our hands. It was instantaneous, and had no delays or echos, and no audio feedback. One time, the professor mentioned that I looked very familiar to him. I told him, "I used to have my own radio show. Maybe you saw mr there."
I remember many years ago in high school physics I sat between a pair or identical twin girls. As far as I know they never cheated, but I regularly cheated off both of them.
not only defamation, even if they were found guilty of cheating, but especially since they were cleared of cheating, which is part of the student's private records and is protected by law. whoever leaked the information would be guilty of violating FERPA federal law. not only that, but you have a situation where the entire campus social life shunned the twins to the point that the dean had to step in and advise the twins they should leave? This is a gravely serious issue... think about it: that means the college did so little to protect its own students, let alone ones they put in harm's way themselves, so much so that they would rather get rid of the twins, rather than protect them. I'm 100% with the twins on this one and think the university honestly got off too easy. They set an extremely dangerous precedent with what they did.
Defamation is a serious thing, but it's extremely easy to get away with nowadays with the victim's life and reputation often irreparably damaged and ruined with nothing they can do about it.
I read somewhere that Edinburgh University in Scotland teaches midwifery students how to assist biological males and trans men at giving birth thanks to their transgender inclusivity policies. So a medical school in the US believing in telepathic powers is pretty tame in comparison. 😅😆😇
@clefsan I have a theory as to why we're seeing more and more of this insanity where6it used to be considered a mental health issue? Still is with most? It comes down to 1 word. "Resources". Given the population and the amount of mental/physical health issues they're giving new names for, there's only so many qualified health professionals to go around. So what better way to declassify something that used to be a mental health issue (gender dysphoya) as something normal. It's all part of the grand scheme of things to de-populate the planet. The alphabet community can't have children, they have yours.
I dont know wether its neural networks or brain mapping, or having AI watch and listen to you 24/7, but somethings creepy. Maybe Elon Musk could explain. I do think its possible to be connected to someone telepathically. If you share DNA,or empathetic to someone close to you. I think DARPA knows more than I ever want to know. Could be a trick. You could control a tv and give the power of suggestion,and with neurl networking,it could be real easy to make someone believe that they can predict certain things. Am I even close? Oh, and living in a different time zone could be a factor. Yup. Theyve neurod me into complete stupidity. Lol.
In a high school test for the bones of the hand and wrist, one of the classmates concocted a story using the first letters of the bones names. We all learned the bones names and used the same sentence, and the teacher was livid.. he was still a little put out after we explained it to him.
@@gretchenk.2516 Many "teachers" do not want their students to succeed, and the entire "grade curve" is part of the proof. I had a college professor who bragged that nobody ever got better than a "C" in his course, and since this was a graduate school that would have negative effects on every single graduate. I got the dean to let me take an "independent studies" course instead of that professor's, even though it took a lot more work, just to thwart the villain. Graduated with a 4.0 and left a fuming petty despot far behind.
TaTa Mother F*%&^(+ was how we remembered the 4 items that mold needs to grow. Time, Tempearature, Moisture, Food. That saying is pretty hard to forget even after 30 years!
Odd, that's what one of my science teachers taught the class, to help you memorize a bunch of related items take the first letter (or two) of each word and make a sentence out of it. We had to also say it out in class.
2016 was not the dark ages in tech. Much of what can be used online and remotely today was available then as well. Identical twins raised together in the same way, and who attended school and social events together--shockingly!--grow up to be extremely similar individuals. The genetics that make them what they are physically are *identical,* after all. This case is crazy, and I hope the school isn't too big to feel pain from a $1.5M loss.
I am a twin (fraternal) and I can tell you, twin telepathy is real! In addition, these girls live together, study together, etc. making similar answers totally understandable. Without concrete proof of cheating, the hearing results are just illogical. The Dean asking them to leave instead of dealing with those bullying them is just wrong!
No, it is not real. I am sorry, but there is no "energy" that flows from one twin to another by paranormal means. Totally unscientific garbage. Now, are their reactions to stimulus very similar even without the paranormal? Yes, they are.
As a former technology teacher, I can tell you that I had access to remote monitoring in 2013, three years before this incident. I’ve also had siblings who studied together, and therefore, had the same answers when taking tests in separate class periods.
I've always found fascinating cases of identical twins, especially stories of those separated at birth (often unaware that each of them even _were_ twins), and when they eventually met, it turned out that they had respectively married men with the same name, followed the exact same career path, that they'd each acquired specific pet types/breeds that had been given the same name etc...
Although NOT in _ANY_ way a "twin," about 30 years ago my elder brother (3 years older than I, and a smoker), and I (also a smoker), happened to "go out for a smoke" at the same time - something we'd NEVER BEFORE DONE. We were each _VERY_ surprised to realize that we *ALWAYS SMOKED THE EXACT SAME BRAND - THAT **_NO OTHER BRAND, NOR STYLE, WOULD DO!_* He has since passed away from pancreatic cancer, mostly due to a lifetime of heavy alcohol consumption is my guess. (Beer for breakfast - _AGAIN?)_ In case you were wondering, I quit smoking some years ago, following some dental surgery that made my mouth _SO SORE_ that I had a hard time getting even WATER in me, and never missed smoking one little bit. (However, I _DID_ miss holding "something" between my fingers, so carried around a pencil for a while; that worked very well. 😉
These events are actually rare. In reality, most twins who where separated at birth have very different lives, different RNA, and are so unremarkable that they go unnoticed and rarely celebrated in the media.
The term is "stereo" twins. I have seen twins who speak at the same time with the same words and have the same mannerisms. It is a bit spooky, but that does not mean any cheating is involved.
@@dixietenbroeck8717 Very cool you quit smoking, albeit apparently due your health issues (and sympathies towards your loss of your brother). My parents were born in the mid 1920s, so were raised in an era that smoking pretty much was the norm. They married in their early 20s, and nearly ten years later she finally became pregnant with me (after trying so hard they literally were into adoption when she discovered her being pregnant). She immediately decided to quit smoking (thank goodness), and did so Cold Turkey, surprisingly without any problem. My father eventually quit (I think prior to my birth), but the amusing aspect was that it wasn't until about six months after Mom had quit that anytime actually _realized_ she was no longer smoking. While mentally she's a li'l more... "quirky" now, she still bowls (she'll be 97 at the end of next May).
While working at a call center a pair of twins also were employed there. They usually were on the same teams and one day they were sitting back to back at their cubicles and I walked up and said to both, “ You do know that one of you is adopted, right?” Like clockwork, they both spun around and looked at each other with the same look on their faces.
It sounds like the allegations against them were that they cheated, it got out probably through a Teacher's Assistant and while the Dean cleared them, the School did nothing to stop the rumors and clear them in the eyes of the students. Basically, the academic board set a fire and failed to try and stop it.
It does appear that either the jury was off about this OR there is more to the story. The whole did they/didn't they part of this is a red herring, since it was rule by the academia itself that they did not. The real questions here are; A) What information exactly was presented to the other students? B) How did this information reach the other students? C) Was the School made aware of the negative impact? C.1) If so, what actions, if anything, did the School take to remedy the issue? D) Did the twins present the information that they were cleared to the other students? It feels very odd to me that some students saw them go to a disciplinary commitee, then that was it - no questions, no follow up, just village of the damned isolation. More so, it seems odd this would fly that the School was at fault and not just that the students were all harshly prejudgemental people.
I was doing terribly in a class the teacher gave me a talking to so I studied for the next test and did really well said teacher accused me of cheating including calling my parents. I still hate that teacher
Amazingly, I have been accused of cheating, but I think the statute of limitations has probably run out so I can't sue anymore. My 8th grade history teacher was just a little obsessive about writing the chapter outline on the blackboard - in those days, it was chalk on slate. When I had a momentary memory lapse during the Friday test, I could recapture the data by glancing over the board until I got to where the answer was written on Monday, despite the board having been washed at least once by Friday. Yeah. That was the "cheat". Reading a blank, cleanly washed blackboard. And sadly enough, I'm more impressed that the twins switched to law than that they started off in med school. I guess I trust lawyers more than the other. By the way, 8th grade was 1969-70.
69-70 eighth grade also & I once got an answer from a poorly erased blackboard! However a student told about the board so the teacher gave everyone a pass on that question even if it was wrong!
I had a teacher ask me if I had copied off of one of my neighbors because he had to wake me up so much throughout the year. (3rd period was always a bear for me but especially to have Science then) Problem is I scored higher than anyone around me. I just studied my butt off. Rewrote ALL of my notes for the semester.
@@SGTJDerek I had a method, read questions & info at end of chapter, read chapter, take notes & checked library for any past exams the teacher filed there.
@@SGTJDerek I also slept through every chemistry class and was accused of cheating because I had an A+. Not everyone can learn in a class setting and thrives when allowed to do their own thing. The "proof" was a test that had a question that was only discussed once while I was asleep and wasn't in the textbook. My mom said, "do you think that is the only source of her studies".
Something similar happened to a teacher of a class I didn't take. Before a vocabulary test, one of the kids wrote across the top of the chalkboard - all the vocab words as 1 long string of letters without spaces between them. The teacher couldn't figure out how everyone did so well on the test.
MUSC is the Medical University of SOUTH Carolina! (not "southern"). We lived in the Charleston area for 20+ years, and my wife would drive past it twice daily for most of that time. One of my former managers later went to MUSC as a department manager. Our primary care doctor here in Maryland is a MUSC graduate.
Two attractive, actively socially students accused of cheating. I'd question the suitability of the professor who made the initial accusation to be at a medical college. You'd think the whole investigation and hearing SHOULD have remained confidential. Someone on the staff was a blabber month, read with possibility a fellow student or students wanting to "destroy" their future by creating a rumour?
I have known a few sets of twins over the years and them scoring similar on tests should surprise no one who has known any twins. They look alike and walk and talk alike, think alike, and have similar outlooks in life. Known twin sisters who would finish each others sentences and kind of freaked me out a little. Same sisters tended to even share the same man when they were dating. It is pretty common knowledge that twins share a connection with each other that is almost scary sometimes. Studies have been done on this. Including in the medical field which any school of medicine worth a damn should have been aware of. Sounds to me like the Professor didn't want to let it go even after the Dean ruled on it. Known many experts in their field who refused to ever be wrong about anything even after higher ups ruled on it.
I agree, I grew up on a block where there were three sets of twins, identical girls, a boy and a girl and my brother and myself. I had a young acquaintance that had a girlfriend that had an identical twin sister, to me they did not look alike at all, they had entirely different personalities. I also have two friends that are identical men, but do not look like they even come from the same family, but had identical lives up until now.
I am an identical twin and I totally disagree with your statement... me and my twin sister are identical in appearance and genetics but that is where our similarity ends period... we don't talk alike or walk alike or dress alike or think alike and we damn sure don't have the same outlook on life or interest in the same men... it is true that we have been known to finish each others sentences from time to time but not always ... I don't care what the studies say most of them are wrong
@@MsJimmysgirl I am curious, what your insight is on nature vs nurture. I'm thinking that both apply in your case. Nature for genetic nurture for behavior
my older brother and I, born 2 years and 8 days apart, would occasionally answer each others questions before they had been asked. It would shock us both when this happend. This all stopped in our early 20's, i am now 66 but i still remember these occasions vividly.
For sure one or more members of the board said it. Once the dean cleared them, it would be some kind of payback of social justice according to these types that populate these boards.
Someone on that Honors Board will have leaked this to a friend and that is likely how it got out. Remember, they were in effect guilty for a few days, until the Dean overruled the board. As to twins getting the same or very similar scores in exams, well that is as common as mud. Twins - especially identical twins, usually grow up together, in the same house and educational environments, attend the same classes, have the same teachers, have the same likes and dislikes, and most importantly, they almost certainly study for exams together. That they have similar answers to the same questions, and get the same answers right and wrong, is not even surprising - it would be expected. Now, the members of an Honors Board are supposed to be well educated people - what surprises me is that it seems not even one of them knew this fact.
wrong... I am an identical twin and I can tell you that me and my sister are as different as night and day appearance and genetics are where our similarities end... I get so tired of people assuming that twins think alike walk alike talk alike eat all the same foods have all the same mannerisms all the same beliefs all the same outlook ... so absolutely positively wrong and btw me and my sister never got the same scores in any subject or on tests and yes we lived together all through school and we only had 2 similar teachers the entire time but didn't have their classes together ... we don't have the same likes or dislike and we never studied together... that is why i think there is something fishy here.
@@MsJimmysgirl The fact that some twins are opposites with completely contrary interests doesn't invalidate the general observation that twins have an overall tendency towards comonality. Your experience is essentially an outlier. That said, I would at least agree that it is important to take outlier experiences into consideration as the nation is educated on this topic lest twins like you get mistreated as a consequence. In this case one expert said that she would only have been surprised if their scores weren't similar. The logical conclusion here is that your experience is so unusual that if everyone starts to believe that ALL twins are the same students who get vastly different scores will suddenly be under scrutiny for cheating as well because of how "fishy" it is to see twins with vastly different scores.
Keep in mind that it was 2 weeks between the test and the hearing, and a 3rd week before they were cleared and reinstated by the dean. During that time, everyone would have been talking about it, and there would have been equally nasty rumors about why they were cleared. The defamation would have occurred because they should never have been accused of cheating, and should not have been found guilty, when the method they had been accused of using to cheat was so ridiculous, and was based solely on the similarity of their test answers.
Great video, Steve!! Just so happens here in Tampa, there identical twins who are lawyers with tv spots all over the TV & cable channels. Peter & Paul Catania have been here since 1992 and have used their likeness in some hilarious parody commercials, mostly poking fun at Morgan & Morgan ( also Tampa based injury law firm) in both law firm’s earlier days. Now they’re straight up typical lawyer commercials. OBTW, a friend of mine lists his identical twin in his contacts as ‘Spare Parts’
Here's an odd situation for you... I am an identical twin my sister is on dialysis for kidney failure but I could never donate a kidney to her because I have chronic kidney disease
Interesting. I worked as a ESL tutor in 1995 at UMaine. Identical twin sisters from the Middle East worked with me off and on for two years. They were both in pre med: took the same classes and wrote similar papers; so similar that we had to work to make intentional differences, sometimes suggesting a different topic. It was the closest I ever got to identical twins. This story reminded me of them and the precautions we took because of the optics. UMaine, the university where in my first semester, English 101, a full PhD published English professor gave me an F on my first paper about a Platoon Sergeant In Vietnam indicating in red that “you have repeatedly spelled Sargent incorrectly “. 🤪
I'm assuming they had identical study practices, together. That would seem like an important point for them to make. Also, a separated re-test would seem like an obvious part of the cheating-accusation process. Not following a logical and fair process with the accusation would seem like a reasonable path for the suit.
Yes, a re-test would have been perhaps a logical first choice, rather than sending the students off to a hearing, where the charges leaked. I could have also been avoided by separating the twins during the initial test by partition, or having them take the test separated in different rooms.
your is the only statement I have agreed with along with the retired teacher that said they should have been separated if they were concerned about cheating ... btw I am an identical twin myself and even I think they cheated
@@MsJimmysgirl what if they set up this whole thing. Not by cheating. Rather by manipulating people into that accusation and mishandling of it, leading to their opportunity to sue.
This is a clear indication that "suspicion" is NOT and should NOT be a legal basis for arrest or charges. So many lives are destroyed because of charges and arrests based on "suspicion".
If there is one true thing I have learned from life, it's that many people love to see popular successful people take a fall. That's the type of juicy gossip that spreads easily.
This reminds me of college. I studied engineering, five of us ended up on the same track and we would spend hours studying together. One semester 3 of us were in the same physics class and to prevent cheating our professor would use alternating colored paper for the exams with one color for even rows and another for the odd. Needless to saw, we three sat on rows so that we'd get the same color text, and compare answers after class. All our answers looked amazingly similar, and on problem we all erred in exactly the same way and had exactly the same wrong answer. Our professor was cool and knew what had happened, we studied and learned the p[problem in the same wrong manner.
A point not mentioned, they probably studied together, reviewed the same info, used each other's notes so almost anything asked, the answer will come from the same reference. After all those years, their study habits were probably identical.
I think every *intelligent* person has been accused at one time or another of cheating and quite honestly, it really depends on how you approach it. I personally offered to take an impromptu oral exam or a replacement exam right then and there in the Deans office, I offered to go head to head against the team taught subject, also offering to resign my position if i did not 'pass' within the respected guidelines of the replacement exam(s). Those offers as well as the reputation I gained from repeated academic distinction awards left no question in anyone's mind.
This story is sooo very interesting, I have two twin nieces and growing up they were incredibly talented and jokesters. They would even answer questions at the same time and finish each others sentences. They both even chose the same career paths and are very successful.
When you asked why people weren't talking about how they were cleared it's a pretty said things. Way too many accusations are "you've been accused you did it, if you're cleared you got away with it on a technicality."
A strong argument could be made that since experts do say that Twins are commonly accused of cheating and that Educators have a duty to do their due diligence to make sure that they are fair and that their lack of knowledge on twins behaving similarly is negligent and that this judgement is important because, if it stands, it is a strong motivator for schools to implement training programs that can better inform teaching and support staff so that they do not make false assumptions. It is also true that telling a proctor of a test that you want them to pay close attention to two people because you think that they are cheaters puts pressure on that proctor to uncover said cheating and that will almost always lead to them to at least see some innocuous behavior as suspicious. If they think that her setting a paper down means she is a cheater, they should have thought that behavior meant that people who set papers down are cheaters before this accusation occurred and this suspicion would have lead to them having dividers between the tables to stop this rampant cheating by the mob of paper setter downers.
I graduated with two Bachelors of Sci degrees in 5 years. My favorite Prof accused me of cheating because I produced a chart on the essay part of an exam. I went to the blackboard & produced that chart and another chart for an upcoming exam. He then asked, "You have a photographic mind?!" With tears in my eyes I said, "Maybe that is the question you should ask before you accuse a student of cheating."
Hmmmm. Sounds like a classic case of Karma. Looks like they became better attorneys because they got first hand experience from suing their former university.
I have twin grandsons. They are fraternal and look nothing like each other, but their behavior is very similar. I am really looking forward to watching them grow up. They are the only twins our family has ever had, so everyone is super happy to have them with us. They are only 19 months old (in April 2024), so they have a LOT of growing up to do.
I would have awarded them more money. This is ridiculous that they were bullied and the school couldn't correct the record. I have left companies after finding out that there practices could ruin my reputation. In some industries reputation is worth more than gold.
If the twins were "formally" accused (and it appears they were), then that would be in their records, at least for some time period, and "authorized" staff would or could know. If folks who had access to their records were "loose-lipped", it might be impossible to identify who said what to who. In any case, the school's privacy was insufficient, this private information leaked, so yes, I think "the school" is liable. Maybe the accusation and resulting clearance by the dean is still part of their official record?
One would think that people in medical school would understand that correlation is not necessarily causation. People who have spent their lives together and study together would likely have similar exam results.
Unfortunately, a lot of people who are great MDs don't have a great foundation of statistics, compared to say, a PhD in biomedical science. One of my former MD colleagues would not believe me that the central limit theorem should be followed when doing research - having a large enough sample of people.
Identical twins have a connection that can't be explained by science. A work colleague had identical twin sisters. They visited her once, and as I spoke with them, it became clear after two or three minutes that I was speaking to only one person, because as they spoke, one would start a sentence and then they would alternate in speaking to complete the sentence. It was done so naturally. Years earlier in the days of dial telephones, another colleague had an identical twin sister, who lived hundreds of miles away. Many, many times, she would pick up the phone to call her sister, and her sister would already be on the line. Her sister was calling her at that exact moment. The phone never rang, and my colleague would always be surprised and exclaim, "I was just going to call you!"
My sisters are twins. Les was pregnant and stationed in England. Laura who was not pregnant at the time called Mom one night to tell her Les was having her baby. "How do you know?" Because I am having contractions. I believe there is a connection between twins, maybe one they don't know how to control or access, but it is there.
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If the administration of a medical school fails to understand twins tend to be similar, it may be time to explore the credentials.
My first thought too!
I thought that! We must be twins.
I hope none of the academics got a degree from China. I ran across one that could not explain his thesis to me. (Because he did not write it).
@@tetedur377 *Exactly. Some are still in the folklore age of believing.*
They may still believe in the qualities of blood letting & leaches.
It's almost like two sisters who live together and are in the same class, would probably study together and have a common pool of knowledge.
Retired teacher here. If you suspect that students are cheating, you need to change their seating arrangement ASAP instead of allowing them to continue with the test. Problem solved.
I was a lab assistant for an A&P lab in college. I'd taken the class myself and I was still a student, so it was easy to see who was cheating. I would just go stand next to or nearby their desks. Problem solved every time.
That makes too much sense. I don't think it would work🤣. That would be like something they would do in, I don't know, the medical field, when testing theories or medications to see if results differ in different TEST subjects.
@@tonycardone990 Sarcasm will get you...
They were separated.
The only computerized tests I ever took were for online classes and in the "learning center." Odds of two people taking the same test, at the same time, was slim. The computers were locked down, i.e. a specially modified web browser was used so you couldn't do _anything_ else but the test, not even access the Windows Calculator app. Plus, the computers were arranged so the only thing you could see, besides the monitor, was the wall!
If you're going to accuse your students of cheating, you better have more evidence than "they got the same score."
OR actually be there monitoring them not just digitally. I don't trust him if he was just digitally monitoring and even so I'd wonder if he had a video over the class and could show the recording and since he had the assumption beforehand could've pointed his own perspective specifically on them in a safe way with video to prove himself right.
It comes across very preset biased against these women.
When I was in forth grade, my teacher sent me home with a nasty note accusing my parents of doing my math homework for me. While I had the right answers, my work didn't use the method that was taught in the classroom because I thought it was "stupid." My mother told the teacher that she definitely didn't do my math homework, because she couldn't even understand my math (this was during the "New Math" era). The principal made me do my math homework in his office for a week and turn it into him when I finished. In the end of the week, they had to admit that I was doing my own work, and they couldn't mark it wrong because my answers were all correct.
It's funny how New Math now seems like a "blip" but had such a negative impact on many of us. Your principal at least had an intelligent solution.
Me too. Same story. I was told that I had to use the method taught by the teacher to arrive at my answer though. I lost interest in math.😟
Patents should have brought a lawsuit.
In my 9th-grade algebra class in 1970, I got into a discussion with my teacher about how the equations should be written out... he thought I was a smart-ass because I proved him wrong via the chalkboard in front of the whole class. I received a D grade because of that but went on to get my Ph.D. in mathematical sciences from MIT.
I never did well with many of my high school teachers' pompous attitudes but was always treated with respect at MIT. Some teachers can be real know it all's but a good teacher enjoys the thoughts and hard work their students put forward.
I am astonished to find that so many people had such bad experiences with the "New Math" that I did myself. The "New Math" was a utter, disgraceful failure of the "education system". Most people today do not even know about it ever existing, because it was covered up and forgotten. But it did a hell of a lot of damage in it's time and it should be used as an example of what educators should NOT be doing. My father taught me math. He was an accountant and had worked for years on Wall Street. Guess what? He knew math, very very well. As a kid in school at the time of the "New Math" I got challenged over and over because I did math the way my Dad did. My father marched into the school four separate times and tore the teachers and principal to shreds, showing off their ignorance to them. But I still dislike math today because of the stress of those times. (and I still taught my kids math my dad's way!)
1.5 million is nothing for destroying 1 MDs career let alone 2 MD careers.
Totally agree. Should have gotten at least $5,000,000.
I was falsely accused of cheating/lying about a 4H handicraft project that I submitted for judging at the county fair when I was 8 or 9 years old. They said it was too good and that obviously it was bought at a craft shop. I actually did build it myself with advice and supervision from my dad. The only part that I did not do with my own hands was to make a cut on a table saw that I was not allowed to use at that age. It sucks to be falsely accused.
ME TOO !!!
I was falsely accused of cheating on a calculus test during my senior year of high school. I had Mono. I was out of school for 3 weeks (?). I basically taught myself the calculus work I missed. There was a test the first day back and the teacher made me take it. I got the highest grade in the class. (Which was normal...)
He kicked me out of his class.
Not the same thing, but I was notorious for never doing classwork or homework. Still passed, aced quizzes and tests. But one day, the assignment was to draw a map with land features, cities, roads, etc. Well, I was always drawing. And I loved maps. So I went home, and did that homework. It was done early. We had a week to do it. I did it in a night and turned it in. My mother was stunned. I was given a zero. Accused of not doing it. A week AFTER it was due, the teacher found it in his desk. Gave me an A- because it was "late."
Got a 100 on a University test on which the Professor NEVER gave anyone a hundred (because nobody is 'perfect') even though his Graduate assistant graded the paper according to the Professor's own grading metric. She could not believe (accept) it, and I had to have an Academic Dean adjudicate the grade, which stayed on the record. However, the remaining 3 assignments she graded personally and the best I could manage was a 97, handed back with the smuggest of self-satisfied smirks. What a piece of work.
All your experiences shared here indicate that we have a failure of an educational system because the so-called educators are all failures because they all think that all their students are dumb and need to be saved from ignorance, and when students smarter than them start showing up, their swollen “educator” egos can’t take it so they humiliate the student and beat them down with false accusations of lying & cheating, or they simply kick the student out or give him/her a zero.
It gives me the chills wondering how many future Einsteins, Economists, and REAL educators who would’ve saved our economy and advanced our well-being have been snuffed out into mediocrity.
We all pay the price now for that. Just look at our dismal economy. And NASA can no longer put man on the moon but has to rely on an immigrant from South Africa to put a real space program together for America. SMH
If the professor was so suspicious of them that he told the proctor to keep a close eye especially on them, why did he not make arrangements for them to sit apart? Sounds like he wanted to set them up for some reason, and he is almost certainly the one responsible for spreading the rumors.
As a college professor, let me just say that there are some really not-so-bright college professors out there.
As a former college student, I had classes with several of them.
Those who can, do...
Those who can't, teach...
@@AzraelThanatos I dunno, I can, have done, do, AND teach.
@@TomSFlint They never said "Those who can do, can't teach."
@@GamesFromSpace I dunno, Joshua, it's usually understood as a claim about mutually exclusive sets. 🙂
Steve, I am a 39 year old identical twin. You would not believe how common some of this stuff is. Including your 'switching' idea. The most common one I get is 'Where is your twin?' When I hear that these days, I never seem to have my crystal ball nearby but I do give it a try. I bow my head to prepare my Xavier-like powers, (hoping I don't crap my pants) place hands on my temple and close my eyes... "I don't know... He's out of range."
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I bet you both are so cute.
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I've actually been accused of cheating via "Twin Telepathy" before. If a damn medical school actually went with that explanation, I think that school should have it's credentials revoked. Twins have often been raised in near-identical situations. The result of this, even with fraternal twins (Which I am), twins will often have similar or identical thought patterns and behaviors. This explains the similar test results and some of the "nodding"
It's not impossible they were cheating, but i find the evidence incredibly thin. The professor should have not put them at the same table, and should have also randomized test questions.
As a twin, I concur.
But did you swap classes and ensure that the teachers didn't know. I had this happen a couple of times with identical female high school students. Yes, they got almost identical scores almost every year in every subject. Writing reports was a pain as you had to find something different to write about. Not easy at all. Six years of this shit drove me crazy!!!!!
Randomized test questions sounds like something a college should be doing no mater what.
I'm the older brother of identical twin brothers. They're a year and 9 months younger than me, but we were a year apart in school, so I knew all their classmates and teachers. The amount of magical things that people believe about twins is exasperating. I laughed when Steve said, "We can't feel each other's pain." because it is absolutely funny how many people believe it's true. That and being able to read each others' minds. I blame the GI Joe cartoon from the 80s for this one.
The amount of people who think bad things about twins just because they're identical is unreal, though. Probably the most common question I would get was, "How do you tell them apart?" The answer is: They don't look identical to me because I grew up with them. This would be met with disbelief, and people would try to trap me by asking which twin was which. They couldn't believe that someone could actually tell them apart. This seems innocent, but the reason why people would ask is because they were suspicious of them switching places or being otherwise tricked. Teachers believed me, but only because they needed to rely on me to identify the twin when they were convinced they were being tricked. They had similar behaviors and were very close to each other, but while they were distinct people to me, others saw them as two halves of a malicious whole. A particularly vile classmate of theirs was once caught shoplifting, and when he accused my brothers of making him do it just because they were there with him, he was believed. My brothers hadn't shoplifted anything, mind you, but they weren't allowed to go into shops together after that; all the shops in the area had been warned about "the twins". I have all kinds of stories like this, and I don't think my brothers even know how much trouble they didn't get into because teachers would ask me before accusing.
@@godlyfrog, excuse me for putting this rudely, but, that's so fucked up.
Bad enough for them to have to constantly defend themselves just for being who they were. But how sucky it had to be for you, too, to know that your brothers were on the up and up, but, "Hey! Let's put their own brother in the middle of OUR issues with his family.
Not just identical twins but really smart identical twins.
I remember a case from years ago about twins being accused of cheating and the school tested it by putting the two in different rooms and giving them an essay test. Only to get back two almost completely identical essays. Nearly word for word. When they were nowhere near each other or had any way of communicating.
What did the school do, claim that they used telepathy?
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I totally believe this.
Twins have not been adequately studied.
Now that's the way it should've been handled.
It's hard to see how "signalling" would convey enough information to allow them to get identical scores on a medical exam. They would almost need to be using sign language constantly to pass that much info.
Not if it's a multiple-choice exam.
@@50PullUps I will be very disappointed if a medical school uses multiple choice exams.
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As a graduate of medical school, they are all multiple choice exams (or checkbox “Check all of the following that are correct”). They are set up to emulate the US Medical Licensing Exam, which is also multiple choice.
The board exams (which board-certify you to be a certain type of doctor, e.g. general surgeon) are more intensive and require an oral exam too. If it makes you feel any better, I’ve had multiple choice questions that have choices A-M. They are hard tests.
@@50PullUps You listen to the entire video? They were writing essays. It was an essay exam.
@@nevyn_karresWhy? Well written K-type questions will weed out the mentally feeble.
Happened to my father and his twin brother on an Army test. They got identical answers on the General Aptitude Test. Thousands were in the room. They didn't know both were in the room. Commandant wanted to know how they cheated. I warn my son to challenge any accusation of cheating.
Which is really stupid because it's even an adaptable test.
They are stereo twins who have virtually identical brainwaves.
I am a twin and my brother and I share the same thoughts and reactions to everything even when we are apart (& we’re 60 years...)
When I was in college I had a close friend accused of plagiarism on a small, insignificant paper. We shared to class and the paper was based on an endangered species, and the teacher had no evidence. She was put before the board and they agreed she plagiarized despite no source paper, luckily it was shot down by the dean because it was nonsensical. Long story short teachers tend to agree with each other despite evidence showing otherwise
"Actions speak louder than words" tells me that in asking them to leave, he was rubber stamping the rumor, and TELLING the rest of the world that they cheated.
That in itself was the foundation of the defamation act. By not insisting that the sisters remain at the school, and then calling a special assembly to establish to the whole student body that no cheating had ever occurred (while also establishing the reasons behind that final assessment), in some administratively covert and mysteriously authoritarian fashion, when the sisters were threateningly "advised" (by the dean, no less) to abandon their status as students in good standing and flee the institution, to the whole student body those sister had instead been "kicked" out of the school specifically for dishonest conduct. Academically, this is giving absolutely no quarter that could be transferred to any other education facility.
I have a story about alleged cheating, in my final year of High School, I received the highest marks in the school in 3 subjects and in the highest 5 in the remaking subjects. Two of Heads of Subject I’d topped accused me of cheating (because their “favourites” hadn’t topped their subject, because they were external exams the subject Heads couldn’t fix for their favourites). At the school Assembly I called out the Heads at the Presentation ceremony, I asked them who I had cheated from to top the year? I invited them to set exams for their favourites and me to re-sit, I challenged them to an oral quiz with their favourites, I laughed at their discomfort and called out their acts of favouritism systematically “favoured” their favourites in areas that had an “assessment” component. They tried to shout me down, but the Assembly was attended by parents who,yelled out that I be allowed to finish. I walked off the stage and gave the Heads the finger, leaving my Subject Prizes on the presentation table. I never walked back into that school. Years later I was approached to attend a reunion, my wife (who didn’t attend the school) talked me into attending. I had a terrific time and lost count of the people who walked up to me and thanked me for the calling out, apparently it started a whole new era of intolerance to bullying by staff or students, a system of mutual self help and an “Unofficial” and anonymous school Newspaper that called out bad behaviour weekly. Funny thing was the GPA of the school rose steadily after my calling out!
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Good grief. To do that in high school, you must have carried your stones around in a wheelbarrow. Good for you! Too bad there's not video of this. :)
well done mate , aye !
would PAY to see that on video to be honest, that would be great to see with popcorn, a soda and a giant special dark chocolate bar.
I had an advanced algebra class in 11th grade. I was easily the top math student at the school and the class was very easy. I never wrote "work" down as I easily did all the problems in my head. On one particular exam I was the first one done by at least 5 minutes. I turned my test in and the teacher had the gall to hand it back to me and say "You'd better write some work down so I don't think you cheated". I loudly said "I'm the first one finished - exactly who could I have cheated from?" I took the test, wrote some "work", and handed it back to him, still before anybody else finished. It was an interesting event to me just because of the sheer audacity of claiming that if I didn't write "work" I must have cheated. I had the same teacher the next year and he chilled dramatically in that time. I had a particular problem once where I knew the answer but didn't know how to derive it, so I asked him. He looked at me and said "I know you have the ability to do these in your head, let's see how to do it on paper". It was apparently his way of apologizing for the prior year's nonsense. He was head of the math department and at graduation gave me the "best math student" award.
Been reading this story and the so called "evidence" is as flimsy wet tissue paper and such claims should have been shot down immediately by the professor's superiors for lack of evidence and never gone to any sort of hearing. Also sounds like the bitter teacher leaked it to punish them even though he was told the twins did nothing wrong.
Plausible. My experience of academics and highly qualified people is that they must not be wrong at any cost.
@@jonka1 Unfortunately, that applies to scientists as well.
@@jonka1 That goes for me also. I haven't made a mistake all day.
@@ostlandr Even little people, perhaps everyone.
Back in the early 1970s while at first semester college, three of us had the highest scores in this English class (97, 96, 95) and each of us received B for the course. We went to the instructor and asked why (one student that we knew had an 83 score and received an A). His answer “You three didn’t ever come to my apartment, for private tutoring - - she did’. ‼️😳🤔😵💫 We were just 18 and didn’t go to the Dean, as didn’t know to do that. I hope that karma eventually got that creep.
My brother in-law was a twin. It’s amazing how similar their lives are. The funnies thing I witnessed was when they both saw one of the Crocodile Dundee movies. The woman in the movie was washing her face in the river and Don got in front of the TV and was getting a close up view of the pretty lady. The Croc came out of the water and Don nearly jumped out of his skin.
About a half-hour later, Don’s twin, Arnold, showed up at the house. Don insisted that we back up the video and show Arnold the same scene. Without any prompting, Arnold got up close to the TV to check out the pretty lady. The Croc came out of the water and Arnold jumped out of his skin. Everybody was laughing because of how close their reactions were to the same movie scene.
Amazing. I've been fascinated with twins for years now, not because I'm a twin, we don't even have twins in our family, but instead because of how much alike my oldest son is to his father. I've held grade school pictures of my son next to same-age school pics of his Dad, and people swear it's the same kid but one pic is in black and white, the other in color. Right down to the same mole on the same side of the face, right next to the nose. Their personalities are almost identical, they went into the same field when leaving the military, IT experts. My son developed the same medical issue as his Dad. The reason this is all so weird is because after about kindergarten, my boys had almost no contact with their father, and it hadn't been constant contact even before that--dude paid little attention to his sons after our divorce. Yet today, my son is 46 and is a carbon-copy of his Dad, right down to the field they are experts in. In the "nature vs. nurture" area, it can't be nurture. I know that's not as strong a genetic link as identical twins, but holy cow are they alike.
I'm a fraternal twin. My twin and I were totally different. Just like normal brothers. He looked like Mom and I took after Dad. Our interests and talents were very different. We weren't that close.
So if people are accused of a crime and not found guilty, why can’t they sue for defamation?
I think that's why he said there has to be reasonable cause just like if you're arrested. No reasonable cause = you can win.
Prosecutorial immunity
I think that since there was no proof of telepathy, the fact that the students and, possibly, the town knew of the cheating charges, that someone in the administration told SOMEBODY of the allegation, then there was defamation. Possibly intentional leakage. I once told my daughter that something is a secret until you tell someone else.
I've proctored exams. From AP exams to SATs. So super high stakes. One day I administered an exam, I forget which one exactly. I had a student who I knew had a history of cheating. These kids know if I felt they cheated, I'd call college board myself on them. I specifically watched the student and had her placed in a location she could not view others. I was literally preemptively preventing any cheating. By the end of the day, one VP was in my room saying there had been an accusation this student had cheated. So I detailed all the ways i had ensured she was watched.
So it was possible all her past accusations of cheating were false, also.
@@USMC6976 some possibly. They were also known for bragging about using their phones on the psat (they weren't in my room)
Dude. Call the College Board yourself??? Good luck. If you really had proctored AP exams, you would know that is not the protocol, but nice story. (You'd also know the protocol for how cell phones are handled in any of these exams. Again, nice story, though.)
@@avengingemmapeel yes, cell phones are turned in before hand, as were all other electronics, including headphones.
And yes, there is a form where you can submit allegations of cheating, along with all other testing irregularities. As both a proctor and an AP reader, I can also escalate papers I suspect of cheating. Then it's on the CB to investigate.
Only student I ever caught cheating was on a state exam, which I promptly reported and the student's scores were invalidated which forced him to have to retake the exit level exam the following year.
So basically, you believed a false allegation and harassed a girl over it
The fact that the campus knew before they did and that the Dean suggested they leave school? Both of those tell me that somebody in the administration had a very big mouth and the Dean needs to be held responsible because he obviously said something or did something to ruin these 2 girls's reputation
Yes it apears there was a violation of the ferpa before there was ever a hearing. Once the hearing found acedemic dishonesty, every one of their current and future instructors would know. Before that the only ones aware should be the teacher, the proctor and the board. My guess is the teacher or proctor leaked. This is why the ferpa exists.
I was not necessarily the dean. Anyone involved with the disciplinary hearing could have spread the rumors. Multiple Pele could have spread the rumors.
A ton of ppl owe them APPOLOGIES!! Who will humble themselves to do it?
It's good they changed majors. I question the value of a Degree from a Medical School that is easily confused by identical twins.
It's truly disappointing that an institution of medical academia and sciences jumped to a presumption of cheating. I, myself, presume that the professor was a PhD and taught a basic medical science class (1st two years of medical school) and wasn't uptodate on genetics and/or hadn't taken a genetics class in the past 30 years.
What isn't as surprising is the classmates-- once a rumor of cheating starts, there goes the reputation and no one would work with them, collaborate with them, or even possibly have a recommendation letter come from a preceptor or senior, practicing MD, with the air of the scandal hovering over these 2 young women.
I am willing to bet, a 'tenured professor' who just could not be wrong, is the root cause of this
The story goes deeper. The medical college was in deep financial trouble after a previous president modernized the curriculum with a lot of virtual learning tools and computer modules. They were on President #3 in as many years when this occurred, the remaining professors in charge of curriculum were under the gun. Then, there had just been a huge scandal involving MUSC's board of trustees, where they spent some extra $800,000 on hotels and restaurants... the girls' grandfather sat on the board (and their father was a congressman).
It's exactly the situation it appears to have been. One twin was struggling academically, the other was doing well. They took bathroom breaks sequentially during an exam and suddenly they both did well with statistically unlikely (but not impossible) exam results.
I can't say whether they cheated, but their family was caught cheating the university... hard to say where the truth lays.
Me thinks you might be the professor with an axe to grind. Statistically identical twins tend to have similar IQs and grades even when separated at birth. I find favor less believable that one twin would be doing significantly better than the other.
@@michellestevens2454 more of disillusioned college dropout who got tired of the bs and went his own way. But can still speculate motives
My twin sisters use to take each other's test in high school all the time back in the early 80's. One was good at math and the other was good at grammar and reading.
If the proctor said they saw some suspicious activity, why didn't they act? Who spread the word? And why didn't the school publicly announce they weren't cheaters, and they were academically honest in the test once they knew the twins were being bullied and ostracized?
Our identical twin daughters were so annoyed with the ridiculous beliefs of others towards them. Classmates would ask “where’s your sister?” Um, I don’t know. “Yes you do! You’re twins!” People would assume all kinds of weird things about them knowing each other’s thoughts and feelings. And yes, they also were within 1-2 points on their PSAT, both got 100% lit and grammar SAT. Both were nearly equal in all their academic, athletic, etc skills. Because they were identical twins raised the same way by the same parents at the same school. I will also mention this for their sakes. They do not have identical personalities. They were not dressed alike nor referred to as “the twins” by us. They went to different colleges in different states for different majors.
I am an identical twin and I am so glad that you mentioned your daughters. No one else in the comments was an identical twin or the parent of them so I was starting to get tired of the same old twins are exactly alike rhetoric in the comments. I was born in 1969 and me and my sister were dressed a like and we were called "the twins" by our entire family even extended family we didn't know and by the few teachers we shared and we absolutely hated it. We felt like we didn't have our own identity outside of being a twin even our birthdays made it worse because we had to share our presents and the cake. It is really crazy the stupid ideas that people come up with or think about twins not sure exactly where they get it maybe tv or movies but I am sure your daughters have heard the same stupid questions that make you want to roll your eyes like I did when the first thing they said in the story was that the girls were mentally connected and a psychologist stated they had a special intertwining. Until I read your comment I didn't know what to think about the Bingham's girls because they were so much different than me and my sister. I don't understand the twins that love to look exactly a like or dress exactly a like, we tried everything possible to look different from the clothes we choose to hair styles or even hair dye and we never would have went to the same college or studied for the same exact career path. Me and my sister weren't lucky enough to be raised in a stable home like the one you provided your girls from the sounds of it, so I understand now it all depends on their upbringing.
@@MsJimmysgirl I’m so sorry to hear this. That’s exactly what frustrated our daughters, to be treated like a unit. You had to work so hard for your identity. I’m glad you did though. Keep taking care of yourself. We can fix the poor parenting for ourselves, thankfully.
@@MsJimmysgirl interesting. My dad is an identical twin. They live across the country from one another and have lived very different lives. I never stopped to think about how it must have felt growing up and being treated as a unit. They both have good senses of humor, so I've heard stories of their pranks. The schools used to have them dress in different shirt and gave them different class schedules, so they could tell them apart.
@@nleem3361 this sounds healthy to me. Good going for their parents and educators! It seems they may have had to move apart to be individuals. If so, I’m glad they did an sad they had to.
@@MsJimmysgirl Was in a restaurant next to a table of people talking about an upcoming Bar Mitzvah for twin boys. They were complaining that they would have to give TWO cash gifts instead of just one and could they justify just giving one cash gift and having the twins split it. Cheap bastards. I interrupted and told them as a twin who was Bar Mitzvahed myself if you want to insure that you will be hated by those twins and their parents for life you had better treat them as the two individuals they are and give them each a complete cash gift. Decades before when my older brother was Bar Mitzvahed he received $5,000 in cash gifts. When my twin brother and I were Bar Mitzvahed 2 years later we received exactly half each. I never forgot that. It wasn't just the cheapness, it was being treated like half a person that was so upsetting. I would have rather they gave no gifts at all than make us split the gifts as if we weren't complete people.
Yes, this is a real problem. When I started my Residency after medical school, the Chairman of the department told all of us, " How you are as a Resident will follow you throughout your career. No matter where you go, someone will know someone who knows you." Over 30 years later, no truer words have been spoken. I routinely run into people in the medical community throughout this country that know people in my medical school class. Your reputation follows you forever.
As well it should.
Not just medical school, but really any school. When I went to ISU, 3 students took a Snapchat pic of them near the George Washington Carver building sign, with the description "(n-word)'s only." Word about it got out faster than their feet touched the ground, and this was published by the school paper. I can only imagine that whatever they are doing now, is worse than going to college.
Edit: unclear if they got kicked out, as it was not confirmed.
I will tell you a story like this told to me by a very good friend of mine who passed earleir this year. His name was Frank Andrews - a Cosmologist. Back in the 1970's he was studying what was a very small sub-field of cosmology... Stellar Metallicity (a common enough study now, but in the 1970's not so much). Frank told me that he kept hearing from other people in the astronomical community that he wasn't the only one here in New Zealand studying the field, and that there was another person they had heard about who was also studying this. The people who told him this usually didn't know who this other person was, as they have heard about this person _"from a friend or colleague or acquaintance"_ . After a few years, Frank was finally able to track down who this person was... it was him... he was the person people kept telling him about. Frank told me that at that moment, the world suddenly became a very lonely place.
The same thing is true in the Flight Test community. You're never more than two degrees of separation from anyone else in the field.
Which explains why, on the rare occasions that a doctor is found guilty of misconduct, there are hundreds of people who immediately say "yeah, I always knew they were bad."
Steve, I live in Charleston and have all my medical done by MUSC. It’s a fine university and turns out some great doctors. This story gives me pause and I have to wonder about the administration’s sanity. Sounds to me like they based their condemnation of the twins strictly on “feelings” rather any definitive evidence. I’m glad the lawsuit was favorable for the twins as it sounds, to me, like they were unjustly accused of an academic crime with no substantial evidence.
Doctors, or those teaching future doctors, relying on 'feelings' before evidence really makes me anxious. I'm glad you've had good experiences with the school's graduates to be sure. But yikes, the idea of discarding all critical thinking skills and rational thought (as seems to have happened with these twins' case)...
I'd side-eye a doctor who didn't run any test but declares a diagnosis based on feelings alone.
I am an identical twin and even I question their story
@@MsJimmysgirl Whose ? The administration ? The proctor ? The professor ?…or are you joining in the witch hunt ?
If the school had any evidence, they girls would have been expelled, instead of being talked into quitting, by the very person who was forced the rescind the guilty verdict.
Yeah this was just discrimination. Some people react negatively to identical twins.
I'm surprised it was only for 1.5 million. Simply the college fees for both of them together would have been 200-500k. Apart from that, the years wasted and other consideration it should have been much larger
40% to contingency attorney, subtract tuition and other costs of medical school that leaves little to the twins that were wronged and had their lives changed.
The shock of inseparable twins each putting the same amount of effort in life, but expecting different results.
As I was leaving a college classroom after a big exam, I said to a classmate that I’d meet her at the car. The next day, I was called into a room by the instructor and told that her sub, had accused me of cheating. I sat there dumbfounded. It seems that my classmate had made a much better grade on that test, than usual. When told that, I stated that we had studied for hours together - - that was the end of that accusation. How in the world could we have cheated, while sitting at desks that weren’t close together at all?!
Why shield the privacy of the school by not naming it? Gossip and innuendo cut both ways - the school clearly didn’t protect the students’ right to privacy.
He said it right at the beginning - Medical University of South Carolina.
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“…and, by the way, Kayla’s now 31 years old. I’m guessing her sister’s right around there.” 🤣
plus or minus a few minutes :)
I personally had the honor of meeting identical twins who were 40 years old. The reason I mention it is I worked 2 jobs each on opposite sides of town. For months I interacted with each of them without realizing they were different people. It wasn't until I learned one of their names. I called out the wrong name to the other and tried to continue the conversation I had with his brother. He thought I was crazy. After a little bit of awkwardness I made a joke he must've been his twin brother. That's when he explained he was adopted and didn't know anything about his parents or other possible siblings. Well I arranged their first meeting face to face. Turned out they were separated as babies and adopted by different families. They walked, talked, sounded, and even dressed alike... Yet neither knew the other existed before... So I understand how twins can be..
I went to school with twin sisters. One became a nurse, the other a businesswoman. One April 1 they attempted a prank. The businesswoman dressed in her sister's scrubs and sat down at her desk in the nursing station. One of her co-workers suspected the prank and pranked right back, citing a horrendous and messy medical emergency that the nurse must attend to STAT. When the non-nurse twin all but turned green at the prospect, the jig was up.
I don't understand identicals that pull pranks like that... me and my twin sister never pulled pranks or switched dates or anything like that but we were always asked if we did that
haha, bet you guys got a good belly laugh outta that.
I don't know whether this is true of all lawyers, but you are a wonderful extemporaneous speaker. And, you do know how to turn a phrase... I've known a few lawyers in my time, and most of them are difficult to abide in a social setting for any length of time. We need more attorneys like you!
Accusations and threats from universities can be devastating. I’m reminded of a young and promising student at Stanford University who killed herself after she was threatened with severe disciplinary action. Steve, please cover this story.
Giving zero identifying info is a great way to get that done should he cover every student accused of cheating at Stanford over the last 100 years ?
@@trueheart1372 Just the ones that committed suicide? Why not the last 131 years? Hey Steve this might make another great book!
There was a Stanford University Varsity Soccer? player who killed herself, the parents are now suing Stanford.
I'm reminded of a certain bakery that caught some shoplifters and then was persecuted by the college AND its students.
Big payout on that lawsuit.
Almost like these colleges aren't as smart as they think they are.
Not sure they meant that exact story, but rather the _story_ of a person / people killing themselves for the accusation.
I love the saying the lady at the end of your videos did for this one. "We are all here on Earth to help others. What on Earth the others are here for I don't know." That is a classic !
If you set aside the "cheating" accusation for a minute and look at them being shunned by friends and classmates to the point suggested here, then advised that they leave that school one might think something else was happening to cause them being so alienated.
But it did not start until AFTER the Honor Board's ruling.
I had identical twins in a class I taught in college. They definitely worked together on assignments, but one day it was obvious that the sisters had traded papers and completed questions for each other-it was in the handwriting. They admitted it when confronted-it was dealt with quietly so that they wouldn’t have issues when entering medical school.
This univeristy medical program really needs to have their cerification examed seeing how they do not understand how twins work. This univeristy needs to go on probation and maybe even have their credditadion pulled for doing this.
In 1995, my statistics class at a small rural college utilized remote learing with a professor in Chicago. We had multiple 2-way cameras, monitors, microphones, and speakers. We could see and hear the professor, his local class, and things he wrote on the overhead projector. He could see and hear all of us - including when we raised our hands. It was instantaneous, and had no delays or echos, and no audio feedback.
One time, the professor mentioned that I looked very familiar to him. I told him, "I used to have my own radio show. Maybe you saw mr there."
I remember many years ago in high school physics I sat between a pair or identical twin girls. As far as I know they never cheated, but I regularly cheated off both of them.
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I want to tell you how much I enjoy your teaching of law. Much more enjoyable than lawyers I worked with at ncs.
not only defamation, even if they were found guilty of cheating, but especially since they were cleared of cheating, which is part of the student's private records and is protected by law. whoever leaked the information would be guilty of violating FERPA federal law.
not only that, but you have a situation where the entire campus social life shunned the twins to the point that the dean had to step in and advise the twins they should leave? This is a gravely serious issue... think about it: that means the college did so little to protect its own students, let alone ones they put in harm's way themselves, so much so that they would rather get rid of the twins, rather than protect them.
I'm 100% with the twins on this one and think the university honestly got off too easy. They set an extremely dangerous precedent with what they did.
Defamation is a serious thing, but it's extremely easy to get away with nowadays with the victim's life and reputation often irreparably damaged and ruined with nothing they can do about it.
A medical school of all places accusing them of something so unscientific.
Imagine a medial school that's supposed to be teaching facts the instructors are believing in mental telepathy.
Sounds like a school of quackery.
I read somewhere that Edinburgh University in Scotland teaches midwifery students how to assist biological males and trans men at giving birth thanks to their transgender inclusivity policies. So a medical school in the US believing in telepathic powers is pretty tame in comparison. 😅😆😇
@clefsan
I have a theory as to why we're seeing more and more of this insanity where6it used to be considered a mental health issue? Still is with most?
It comes down to 1 word.
"Resources".
Given the population and the amount of mental/physical health issues they're giving new names for, there's only so many qualified health professionals to go around.
So what better way to declassify something that used to be a mental health issue (gender dysphoya) as something normal.
It's all part of the grand scheme of things to de-populate the planet.
The alphabet community can't have children, they have yours.
@@clefsan Since trans men are women, not sure there would be a difference. But how the h3ll does a biological male give birth?
Yes and then which one is the cheater and which is the smart one instead of assuming they are both just intelligent?
I dont know wether its neural networks or brain mapping, or having AI watch and listen to you 24/7, but somethings creepy. Maybe Elon Musk could explain. I do think its possible to be connected to someone telepathically. If you share DNA,or empathetic to someone close to you. I think DARPA knows more than I ever want to know. Could be a trick. You could control a tv and give the power of suggestion,and with neurl networking,it could be real easy to make someone believe that they can predict certain things. Am I even close? Oh, and living in a different time zone could be a factor. Yup. Theyve neurod me into complete stupidity. Lol.
I love your videos! The Law is a very complex subject and you manage to simplify it for us regular people. Thank you!
In a high school test for the bones of the hand and wrist, one of the classmates concocted a story using the first letters of the bones names. We all learned the bones names and used the same sentence, and the teacher was livid.. he was still a little put out after we explained it to him.
That is amazing. And yeah, if a group of students studies together, they are bound to have similar, if not the same answers....
@@gretchenk.2516 Many "teachers" do not want their students to succeed, and the entire "grade curve" is part of the proof. I had a college professor who bragged that nobody ever got better than a "C" in his course, and since this was a graduate school that would have negative effects on every single graduate. I got the dean to let me take an "independent studies" course instead of that professor's, even though it took a lot more work, just to thwart the villain. Graduated with a 4.0 and left a fuming petty despot far behind.
TaTa Mother F*%&^(+ was how we remembered the 4 items that mold needs to grow. Time, Tempearature, Moisture, Food. That saying is pretty hard to forget even after 30 years!
Well OP.... You gonna just leave everyone hanging or you gonna give us all a hand?
Odd, that's what one of my science teachers taught the class, to help you memorize a bunch of related items take the first letter (or two) of each word and make a sentence out of it. We had to also say it out in class.
2016 was not the dark ages in tech. Much of what can be used online and remotely today was available then as well. Identical twins raised together in the same way, and who attended school and social events together--shockingly!--grow up to be extremely similar individuals. The genetics that make them what they are physically are *identical,* after all. This case is crazy, and I hope the school isn't too big to feel pain from a $1.5M loss.
I am a twin (fraternal) and I can tell you, twin telepathy is real! In addition, these girls live together, study together, etc. making similar answers totally understandable. Without concrete proof of cheating, the hearing results are just illogical.
The Dean asking them to leave instead of dealing with those bullying them is just wrong!
No, it is not real. I am sorry, but there is no "energy" that flows from one twin to another by paranormal means. Totally unscientific garbage. Now, are their reactions to stimulus very similar even without the paranormal? Yes, they are.
> I am a twin (fraternal) and I can tell you, twin telepathy is real!
Yeah. No.
@@petervansan1054 Actually YES... Don't think telepathy like XMEN. That kind of thinking is stupid.
My two friends are twins and I have experienced this first hand. Sometimes its alittle freaky but you get used to it. One answers for both.
@@petervansan1054 Uh, yeah, it is. Shared thoughts are typical between people that spend loads of time together.
As a former technology teacher, I can tell you that I had access to remote monitoring in 2013, three years before this incident. I’ve also had siblings who studied together, and therefore, had the same answers when taking tests in separate class periods.
I've always found fascinating cases of identical twins, especially stories of those separated at birth (often unaware that each of them even _were_ twins), and when they eventually met, it turned out that they had respectively married men with the same name, followed the exact same career path, that they'd each acquired specific pet types/breeds that had been given the same name etc...
Although NOT in _ANY_ way a "twin," about 30 years ago my elder brother (3 years older than I, and a smoker), and I (also a smoker), happened to "go out for a smoke" at the same time - something we'd NEVER BEFORE DONE. We were each _VERY_ surprised to realize that we *ALWAYS SMOKED THE EXACT SAME BRAND - THAT **_NO OTHER BRAND, NOR STYLE, WOULD DO!_* He has since passed away from pancreatic cancer, mostly due to a lifetime of heavy alcohol consumption is my guess. (Beer for breakfast - _AGAIN?)_
In case you were wondering, I quit smoking some years ago, following some dental surgery that made my mouth _SO SORE_ that I had a hard time getting even WATER in me, and never missed smoking one little bit. (However, I _DID_ miss holding "something" between my fingers, so carried around a pencil for a while; that worked very well. 😉
These events are actually rare. In reality, most twins who where separated at birth have very different lives, different RNA, and are so unremarkable that they go unnoticed and rarely celebrated in the media.
The term is "stereo" twins. I have seen twins who speak at the same time with the same words and have the same mannerisms. It is a bit spooky, but that does not mean any cheating is involved.
those are very odd situations... I am an identical twin and me and my sister are as different as night and day in every aspect
@@dixietenbroeck8717 Very cool you quit smoking, albeit apparently due your health issues (and sympathies towards your loss of your brother).
My parents were born in the mid 1920s, so were raised in an era that smoking pretty much was the norm. They married in their early 20s, and nearly ten years later she finally became pregnant with me (after trying so hard they literally were into adoption when she discovered her being pregnant).
She immediately decided to quit smoking (thank goodness), and did so Cold Turkey, surprisingly without any problem. My father eventually quit (I think prior to my birth), but the amusing aspect was that it wasn't until about six months after Mom had quit that anytime actually _realized_ she was no longer smoking.
While mentally she's a li'l more... "quirky" now, she still bowls (she'll be 97 at the end of next May).
While working at a call center a pair of twins also were employed there. They usually were on the same teams and one day they were sitting back to back at their cubicles and I walked up and said to both, “ You do know that one of you is adopted, right?” Like clockwork, they both spun around and looked at each other with the same look on their faces.
As a twin, I can relate to those twins. My brother and I can "feel" what we are thinking. However, we went to different schools together. 🤣🤣
You could not go to different schools together, take it from a twin who knows and did.
Kept failing exams as you mentally mixed up answers? Spelling answers on math tests? Lol.
*That's pretty clever.*
*Some people won't, even with a laughing emoji, be able to comprehend the logic of this.*
I have learned much about the law from you. Thank you.
It sounds like the allegations against them were that they cheated, it got out probably through a Teacher's Assistant and while the Dean cleared them, the School did nothing to stop the rumors and clear them in the eyes of the students. Basically, the academic board set a fire and failed to try and stop it.
It does appear that either the jury was off about this OR there is more to the story. The whole did they/didn't they part of this is a red herring, since it was rule by the academia itself that they did not. The real questions here are;
A) What information exactly was presented to the other students?
B) How did this information reach the other students?
C) Was the School made aware of the negative impact?
C.1) If so, what actions, if anything, did the School take to remedy the issue?
D) Did the twins present the information that they were cleared to the other students?
It feels very odd to me that some students saw them go to a disciplinary commitee, then that was it - no questions, no follow up, just village of the damned isolation. More so, it seems odd this would fly that the School was at fault and not just that the students were all harshly prejudgemental people.
They deserve everything they were awarded, and more. So glad they are doing well now.
I cheated in first grade once and got busted. 55 years later and still ashamed.
Dont be ashamed, Most first graders can't cheat too well. As long as you can do it good after grade 8 and not get caught, that's all that matters.
@@tonycardone990 i just got this. 🤣🤣🤣
@Gretchen K. If it were only that easy,
Are you ashamed because you really didn't need to cheat? Just pushing the envelope?
Don't sweat it your teachers have long forgotten about it and or are probably pushing up the daisies.
I was doing terribly in a class the teacher gave me a talking to so I studied for the next test and did really well said teacher accused me of cheating including calling my parents. I still hate that teacher
Amazingly, I have been accused of cheating, but I think the statute of limitations has probably run out so I can't sue anymore. My 8th grade history teacher was just a little obsessive about writing the chapter outline on the blackboard - in those days, it was chalk on slate. When I had a momentary memory lapse during the Friday test, I could recapture the data by glancing over the board until I got to where the answer was written on Monday, despite the board having been washed at least once by Friday. Yeah. That was the "cheat". Reading a blank, cleanly washed blackboard. And sadly enough, I'm more impressed that the twins switched to law than that they started off in med school. I guess I trust lawyers more than the other. By the way, 8th grade was 1969-70.
69-70 eighth grade also & I once got an answer from a poorly erased blackboard! However a student told about the board so the teacher gave everyone a pass on that question even if it was wrong!
I had a teacher ask me if I had copied off of one of my neighbors because he had to wake me up so much throughout the year. (3rd period was always a bear for me but especially to have Science then) Problem is I scored higher than anyone around me. I just studied my butt off. Rewrote ALL of my notes for the semester.
@@SGTJDerek I had a method, read questions & info at end of chapter, read chapter, take notes & checked library for any past exams the teacher filed there.
@@SGTJDerek I also slept through every chemistry class and was accused of cheating because I had an A+. Not everyone can learn in a class setting and thrives when allowed to do their own thing. The "proof" was a test that had a question that was only discussed once while I was asleep and wasn't in the textbook. My mom said, "do you think that is the only source of her studies".
Something similar happened to a teacher of a class I didn't take. Before a vocabulary test, one of the kids wrote across the top of the chalkboard - all the vocab words as 1 long string of letters without spaces between them. The teacher couldn't figure out how everyone did so well on the test.
MUSC is the Medical University of SOUTH Carolina! (not "southern").
We lived in the Charleston area for 20+ years, and my wife would drive past it twice daily for most of that time. One of my former managers later went to MUSC as a department manager. Our primary care doctor here in Maryland is a MUSC graduate.
Two attractive, actively socially students accused of cheating. I'd question the suitability of the professor who made the initial accusation to be at a medical college. You'd think the whole investigation and hearing SHOULD have remained confidential. Someone on the staff was a blabber month, read with possibility a fellow student or students wanting to "destroy" their future by creating a rumour?
Law school after being wrongfully accused?
Poetic justice at the HIGHEST levels!!!
I have known a few sets of twins over the years and them scoring similar on tests should surprise no one who has known any twins. They look alike and walk and talk alike, think alike, and have similar outlooks in life. Known twin sisters who would finish each others sentences and kind of freaked me out a little. Same sisters tended to even share the same man when they were dating. It is pretty common knowledge that twins share a connection with each other that is almost scary sometimes. Studies have been done on this. Including in the medical field which any school of medicine worth a damn should have been aware of. Sounds to me like the Professor didn't want to let it go even after the Dean ruled on it. Known many experts in their field who refused to ever be wrong about anything even after higher ups ruled on it.
I agree, I grew up on a block where there were three sets of twins, identical girls, a boy and a girl and my brother and myself. I had a young acquaintance that had a girlfriend that had an identical twin sister, to me they did not look alike at all, they had entirely different personalities. I also have two friends that are identical men, but do not look like they even come from the same family, but had identical lives up until now.
Did you get that line, "they look alike, and walk alike, and talk alike" from the Patty Duke show?
I am an identical twin and funnily enough we were never attracted to the same ladies, which avoided a bunch of comedy drama.
I am an identical twin and I totally disagree with your statement... me and my twin sister are identical in appearance and genetics but that is where our similarity ends period... we don't talk alike or walk alike or dress alike or think alike and we damn sure don't have the same outlook on life or interest in the same men... it is true that we have been known to finish each others sentences from time to time but not always ... I don't care what the studies say most of them are wrong
@@MsJimmysgirl I am curious, what your insight is on nature vs nurture. I'm thinking that both apply in your case. Nature for genetic nurture for behavior
Twins: Our reputation was unjustly tarnish by the school with no facts!
People accused under Title 9: First time?
my older brother and I, born 2 years and 8 days apart, would occasionally answer each others questions before they had been asked. It would shock us both when this happend. This all stopped in our early 20's, i am now 66 but i still remember these occasions vividly.
For sure one or more members of the board said it. Once the dean cleared them, it would be some kind of payback of social justice according to these types that populate these boards.
Someone on that Honors Board will have leaked this to a friend and that is likely how it got out. Remember, they were in effect guilty for a few days, until the Dean overruled the board.
As to twins getting the same or very similar scores in exams, well that is as common as mud. Twins - especially identical twins, usually grow up together, in the same house and educational environments, attend the same classes, have the same teachers, have the same likes and dislikes, and most importantly, they almost certainly study for exams together. That they have similar answers to the same questions, and get the same answers right and wrong, is not even surprising - it would be expected.
Now, the members of an Honors Board are supposed to be well educated people - what surprises me is that it seems not even one of them knew this fact.
wrong... I am an identical twin and I can tell you that me and my sister are as different as night and day appearance and genetics are where our similarities end... I get so tired of people assuming that twins think alike walk alike talk alike eat all the same foods have all the same mannerisms all the same beliefs all the same outlook ... so absolutely positively wrong and btw me and my sister never got the same scores in any subject or on tests and yes we lived together all through school and we only had 2 similar teachers the entire time but didn't have their classes together ... we don't have the same likes or dislike and we never studied together... that is why i think there is something fishy here.
@@MsJimmysgirl The fact that some twins are opposites with completely contrary interests doesn't invalidate the general observation that twins have an overall tendency towards comonality. Your experience is essentially an outlier. That said, I would at least agree that it is important to take outlier experiences into consideration as the nation is educated on this topic lest twins like you get mistreated as a consequence. In this case one expert said that she would only have been surprised if their scores weren't similar. The logical conclusion here is that your experience is so unusual that if everyone starts to believe that ALL twins are the same students who get vastly different scores will suddenly be under scrutiny for cheating as well because of how "fishy" it is to see twins with vastly different scores.
Keep in mind that it was 2 weeks between the test and the hearing, and a 3rd week before they were cleared and reinstated by the dean. During that time, everyone would have been talking about it, and there would have been equally nasty rumors about why they were cleared. The defamation would have occurred because they should never have been accused of cheating, and should not have been found guilty, when the method they had been accused of using to cheat was so ridiculous, and was based solely on the similarity of their test answers.
Great video, Steve!! Just so happens here in Tampa, there identical twins who are lawyers with tv spots all over the TV & cable channels. Peter & Paul Catania have been here since 1992 and have used their likeness in some hilarious parody commercials, mostly poking fun at Morgan & Morgan ( also Tampa based injury law firm) in both law firm’s earlier days. Now they’re straight up typical lawyer commercials.
OBTW, a friend of mine lists his identical twin in his contacts as ‘Spare Parts’
Now I don't want to think about spare parts since we are getting into our eighty's.
Spare parts.... Lol
Here's an odd situation for you... I am an identical twin my sister is on dialysis for kidney failure but I could never donate a kidney to her because I have chronic kidney disease
Interesting. I worked as a ESL tutor in 1995 at UMaine. Identical twin sisters from the Middle East worked with me off and on for two years. They were both in pre med: took the same classes and wrote similar papers; so similar that we had to work to make intentional differences, sometimes suggesting a different topic. It was the closest I ever got to identical twins. This story reminded me of them and the precautions we took because of the optics. UMaine, the university where in my first semester, English 101, a full PhD published English professor gave me an F on my first paper about a Platoon Sergeant In Vietnam indicating in red that “you have repeatedly spelled Sargent incorrectly “. 🤪
I'm assuming they had identical study practices, together. That would seem like an important point for them to make. Also, a separated re-test would seem like an obvious part of the cheating-accusation process. Not following a logical and fair process with the accusation would seem like a reasonable path for the suit.
Yes, a re-test would have been perhaps a logical first choice, rather than sending the students off to a hearing, where the charges leaked. I could have also been avoided by separating the twins during the initial test by partition, or having them take the test separated in different rooms.
your is the only statement I have agreed with along with the retired teacher that said they should have been separated if they were concerned about cheating ... btw I am an identical twin myself and even I think they cheated
@@MsJimmysgirl what if they set up this whole thing. Not by cheating. Rather by manipulating people into that accusation and mishandling of it, leading to their opportunity to sue.
This is a clear indication that "suspicion" is NOT and should NOT be a legal basis for arrest or charges. So many lives are destroyed because of charges and arrests based on "suspicion".
If there is one true thing I have learned from life, it's that many people love to see popular successful people take a fall. That's the type of juicy gossip that spreads easily.
This reminds me of college. I studied engineering, five of us ended up on the same track and we would spend hours studying together. One semester 3 of us were in the same physics class and to prevent cheating our professor would use alternating colored paper for the exams with one color for even rows and another for the odd. Needless to saw, we three sat on rows so that we'd get the same color text, and compare answers after class. All our answers looked amazingly similar, and on problem we all erred in exactly the same way and had exactly the same wrong answer. Our professor was cool and knew what had happened, we studied and learned the p[problem in the same wrong manner.
A point not mentioned, they probably studied together, reviewed the same info, used each other's notes so almost anything asked, the answer will come from the same reference. After all those years, their study habits were probably identical.
I think every *intelligent* person has been accused at one time or another of cheating and quite honestly, it really depends on how you approach it. I personally offered to take an impromptu oral exam or a replacement exam right then and there in the Deans office, I offered to go head to head against the team taught subject, also offering to resign my position if i did not 'pass' within the respected guidelines of the replacement exam(s). Those offers as well as the reputation I gained from repeated academic distinction awards left no question in anyone's mind.
"They both knew they had done nothing wrong." --- hah! See their minds really are connected!!!!! Identical twins are really scary!
lol
You would think a medical school would know better than to accuse twins of cheating.
This story is sooo very interesting, I have two twin nieces and growing up they were incredibly talented and jokesters.
They would even answer questions at the same time and finish each others sentences. They both even chose the same career paths and are very successful.
When you asked why people weren't talking about how they were cleared it's a pretty said things. Way too many accusations are "you've been accused you did it, if you're cleared you got away with it on a technicality."
A strong argument could be made that since experts do say that Twins are commonly accused of cheating and that Educators have a duty to do their due diligence to make sure that they are fair and that their lack of knowledge on twins behaving similarly is negligent and that this judgement is important because, if it stands, it is a strong motivator for schools to implement training programs that can better inform teaching and support staff so that they do not make false assumptions. It is also true that telling a proctor of a test that you want them to pay close attention to two people because you think that they are cheaters puts pressure on that proctor to uncover said cheating and that will almost always lead to them to at least see some innocuous behavior as suspicious. If they think that her setting a paper down means she is a cheater, they should have thought that behavior meant that people who set papers down are cheaters before this accusation occurred and this suspicion would have lead to them having dividers between the tables to stop this rampant cheating by the mob of paper setter downers.
I graduated with two Bachelors of Sci degrees in 5 years. My favorite Prof accused me of cheating because I produced a chart on the essay part of an exam. I went to the blackboard & produced that chart and another chart for an upcoming exam. He then asked, "You have a photographic mind?!" With tears in my eyes I said, "Maybe that is the question you should ask before you accuse a student of cheating."
Hmmmm. Sounds like a classic case of Karma. Looks like they became better attorneys because they got first hand experience from suing their former university.
I have twin grandsons. They are fraternal and look nothing like each other, but their behavior is very similar. I am really looking forward to watching them grow up. They are the only twins our family has ever had, so everyone is super happy to have them with us. They are only 19 months old (in April 2024), so they have a LOT of growing up to do.
I would have awarded them more money. This is ridiculous that they were bullied and the school couldn't correct the record. I have left companies after finding out that there practices could ruin my reputation. In some industries reputation is worth more than gold.
Academics in my experience have a crazy amount of personality disorders and literally cannot escape their childhood.
If the twins were "formally" accused (and it appears they were), then that would be in their records, at least for some time period, and "authorized" staff would or could know. If folks who had access to their records were "loose-lipped", it might be impossible to identify who said what to who. In any case, the school's privacy was insufficient, this private information leaked, so yes, I think "the school" is liable. Maybe the accusation and resulting clearance by the dean is still part of their official record?
The jury decided they were using magic powers.
One would think that people in medical school would understand that correlation is not necessarily causation. People who have spent their lives together and study together would likely have similar exam results.
Unfortunately, a lot of people who are great MDs don't have a great foundation of statistics, compared to say, a PhD in biomedical science. One of my former MD colleagues would not believe me that the central limit theorem should be followed when doing research - having a large enough sample of people.
Identical twins have a connection that can't be explained by science. A work colleague had identical twin sisters. They visited her once, and as I spoke with them, it became clear after two or three minutes that I was speaking to only one person, because as they spoke, one would start a sentence and then they would alternate in speaking to complete the sentence. It was done so naturally.
Years earlier in the days of dial telephones, another colleague had an identical twin sister, who lived hundreds of miles away. Many, many times, she would pick up the phone to call her sister, and her sister would already be on the line. Her sister was calling her at that exact moment. The phone never rang, and my colleague would always be surprised and exclaim, "I was just going to call you!"
Sounds like honor court cleared the twins but members of the faculty did not agree and made that known.
If I had an identical twin, we would just mess with those who decided to falsely accuse us of something that we never did at all.
My sisters are twins. Les was pregnant and stationed in England. Laura who was not pregnant at the time called Mom one night to tell her Les was having her baby. "How do you know?" Because I am having contractions. I believe there is a connection between twins, maybe one they don't know how to control or access, but it is there.