Well, right now... Nothing! I have an FJR. I ~kinda like it, its just that it will not die. Its a 2005. I keep saying, once this thing dies, or leaves me on the side of the road, or even one thing breaks... I am going back to BMWs. I guess I like having something to work on. The FJR, it really only needs oil changes, and other minimal maintenance. I thought about getting a Tenere or T7. But I am worried, at 56yrs old, I will probably die before it does.
Based on your other responses, your not going to like this... But this is Click Bait, advertising for bag. You didn't like bike until you got bags is Click Bait.
Did I say in detail why I hated my Pan America? Yes! Then its not clickbait. Look up the definition of "Click Bait". So, every video that gives a solution to a major problem is Click Bait? Ok!
I actually was excited to hear a review from someone who actually owns the darn thing! I feel a ten min test ride from Harley and back is never a true review TH-cam is flooded with lackluster reviews on just about every bike just for views
2017 bmw 1200 gs. I got it to do prudhoe bay to key west (Alaska to Florida) frankly I hated the bike BEFORE I got it. Boxer engine is shit, the frame suspension makes handling wonky and generally just a shit bike with a cult following. The moment I did my ride I sold it. I’ve been back on cruisers ever since with a few sport bikes in between. I’ve been looking at and rising pan americas on and off since they came out. Frankly they’re overpriced currently and there’s no way in hell I’m paying 25k for a bike Msrp at 19k so til dealers get hungry I’m looking for used.
@@thelloyds4635 I rode one and just didn’t jive with it. To be fair I ride vtwins mostly so the parallel twin sounds and runs wonky to me. Plus I’m old so cruise control makes my trips worthy.
Super tenere 1200, reliability, love the no maintenance drive shafts , comfortable all day long, you can drop it and it never break , after tune the twin come alive and bark and pull with attitude . Less expensive big adventure , and lot off after market accessories.
So glad my friend sent me this link. It's time for me to get an on-off road bike and this one seems exactly what I need. I'm thinking your problems with gear were likely related to the supply chain issues during that horrid time. I'm of the mind that we have seen nothing yet related to what's coming but fuck it, I ain't waiting for things to improve to go riding again. I took a Victory Kingpin - it was bad-ass!! - from Utah to near the Guatemala border by myself several years ago. The Kingpin was what you said, good for pavement - not so much for off road. I put over 100K miles on it in a short time and recently sold it. Now that I turned 62, and will get a little extra cash (hopefully - cause you know how bad the banking system is) It's time to go for another bike and I'm thinking the Pan American is exactly what I need. I'm not like you, all tidy. I basically looked like the Beverly Hillbillies on two wheels when I rode to Mexico. Went there three times - once to Guadalajara, once to Puerto Escondido (HIGHLY RECOMMEND - OMG I WANNA DIE THERE!!) - and the final time to Chiapas, the state that borders Guatemala. I didn't reach the Guatemalan border because I got some bad vibes from several trucks full of what seemed to be guerrilla warriors. But I got back to the states traveling through the east coast. I'm so glad I made those trips because on my deathbed I would have regretted not going. My old man, more of a motorcycle enthusiast than a bonafide "biker," refused to go with me. He's a Vietnam era retired officer (I was in the Marines, also - 1979-1983). He's 15 years older than I and when I asked him if he'd go with me his exact words were, "I ain't gonna get killed by no cartel." LOL I felt safer in Mexico than if I had gone to Chicago - which is actually where I need to go now from where I live near San Antonio, Tx. Thanks again for that lovely review! New sub.
I have owned a 2002 Triumph Tiger 955 since 2007, I love it, in October I bought a 2022 Pan America special, I got the luggage at the same time, I love My new Pan-Am, it's a blizzard out right now, but in a month and a half I put on 4000 miles, can't wait till warmer weather, the Tiger is going to be sold, and I will be ridding the crap out of the Pan-Am, Both bikes are on battery tenders in My heated garage, it is supposed to drop down to 10 below F. this Friday and Saturday night, and 10 inches of snow here in Iowa, thinking about loading up one of them up and hauling it down to Florida for a week,
Glad you are loving your Pan America! I'm really starting to love mine more. We are fortunate to be in Southern California and the weather is great almost always! I need to get in some dirt pretty soon!
I've owned both. Sold my BMW to buy the Pan Am and have not been disappointed. BMW has some annoying traits that you did not hit on which have plagued the bike for years. Overall though, I thought your review was well done. The Pan Am is not perfect but neither was the BMW. I'm at 7500 miles now with zero issues. Overall what has impressed me most about the Pan Am is its ability to chew up miles without effort. What impressed me the least about the Pan Am and something Harley really needs to address is the size and placement of the rear tail light. Small and hard to see with full bags on the bike. Borderline dangerous. I rigged aftermarket LED's on my tail box to help with that. Otherwise, good scoot. 14 Reply
@@greenrush4313 Hello Sir, I wrote that review a year ago, I did not sell My old Tiger, and that turned out to be a good thing, My Pan America sprung an oil leak, and it was repaired under warranty, but it took four attempts and three months of down time, right in the middle of summer, lets just say, I am glad I kept the Tiger around, I did not get to do any long trips last summer, I have been eyeing a few trips this year, still love the Pan America, we will see if it keeps running good so I get to put on some serious miles this year, at this time I have 17000 miles and only have had a couple random lost comm. codes pop up, so other than the oil leak, it has been pretty problem free.
Own a 17 GSA. Bought it used. It is a great bike and it came with all the hard panniers, etc! Prefer the shaft final drive to a chain. HOG did screwup by not having the accessories ready to go with the launch. Glad you are enjoying your bike now.
You hated it because it was a new model with no accessories available, then you didn't ride it. New models never have stuff available. Doesn't sound like you gave it a fair shake. Nice advertisement tho!
I bought a 2010 BMW r1200 GS the last air-oil cooled one. I had about 30 bikes, I love this one most. I am 55, Bike does everything, like touring, commuting and on the twisty roads it is like a big supermoto.
On a KLR you don't need to wait for saddle bags or panniers. All you need is a milk crate and a couple of bungee cords and you're ready for the Dalton Hwy.
My God if that is not true. I have seen some KLRs out in the desert in California on my KTM 300 dirt bike. Once, out where, I was thinking the dirt bike might need a helicopter rescue. And here comes this raggedy KLR. Looked like it'd just got off the Mad Maxx movie set. Dude says not a word, gets out the longest tie down strap I have ever seen, and just pulls me to safety. And then, he grunted and rode off. My buddy and I laughed and laughed, but were very thankful.
HD has broken new ground and also entered an arena with some heavy hitters like BMW, Triumph, Yamaha, Ducati etc. I think the Pan America has a long time future in HDs product line and each year the Pan America will get a little better than the previous. And like every HD accessory, there's after-market parts, often better and less expensive. Cracking good video mate, best of luck to you and your family.
Hey Tim, Harley will be sticking with the Pan America platform. It's only gettin more and more popular. Now that I have mine squared away, its honestly my favorite bike!
@@TheSteveFreeman I have been pondering and pontificating the PanAm as my next bike. Problem is, I buy used. Usually 3-5yrs old, from some well off guy who, ''thought they'd ride it more''. 🤔. 😎. So, it needs a few more years of ''curing'' before its ready for me. I can be really hard on a bike, and at plus $22K new, well, I couldn't do that.
I have the PAS, didn't go for the HD hard bags for 2 reasons: primarily, you need a key every time you want to open and close the panniers (just a pain!) and because there are several better after market options (in my opinion) whereby the right side pannier is shaped wider at the top for more storage and a more pleasing look. I went with the Hepco-Becker hard paniers (not inexpensive) but man they are of the highest German quality and work brilliantly. Also, Givi and Shad have vairous design choices as well and carry very good reviews - if you don't want to pay the Harley tax yet still have high quality and functional stuff.
I purchased a KLR650 about six years ago. While any bike will take you to the ends of the Earth I chose the KLR because it will also get you back home.
I have a 2022 Pan America Special and love it! I love it every time I take it out for a ride or even when it's just sitting in my garage. I have the H-D Sport luggage, but I plan on picking a set of the Mosko Moto bags for more durability and waterproofing.
I have a 2021 PAS in orange. I love it when it works. But I've had tons of problems with it. Motorcycle not starting, motorcycle leaving me stranded and having to get towed. The dealership has replaced the battery twice in 6 months. I recently just did my 5k service and they had to replace the starter and clutch, fuel tank sensor, and the header pipe/heat shield because the one that was from the factory just broke off while I was on the highway one day. I've got some accessories on the bike I really like, I have the SW Moto rack, and a givi top box. I've also got the mosko moto reckless system which I've taken on long trips and works well. But yeah HD did not prepare well for this launch at all.
Funny you should say that!!! I’ve just started having a hard time getting it started the last few days, the battery keeps going down! I’ve had to start leaving it on a tinder all the time!! Nice to know it’s not just me!!!!
@@TheSteveFreeman No that's a long standing gripe via the internet. HD has a recall/warranty fix to replace the starter clutch, check in with your dealer if you haven't done that yet.
@@thelloyds4635 I've owned both. Sold my BMW to buy the Pan Am and have not been disappointed. BMW has some annoying traits that you did not hit on which have plagued the bike for years. Overall though, I thought your review was well done. The Pan Am is not perfect but neither was the BMW. I'm at 7500 miles now with zero issues. Overall what has impressed me most about the Pan Am is its ability to chew up miles without effort. What impressed me the least about the Pan Am and something Harley really needs to address is the size and placement of the rear tail light. Small and hard to see with full bags on the bike. Borderline dangerous. I rigged aftermarket LED's on my tail box to help with that. Otherwise, good scoot. 14 Reply
Thanks for the tip on Loneride, can you provide a list of what works with you PanAm? Thier site is not updated with that info yet and my bike is on order right now so i am not locked into a brand yet.
@@kelvinjowett4538 it’s funny you mentioned it cause as we were pulling out and I went to look at the dash, I was like, “This sucks”, cause when I’m portrait mode it literally covers 100% of the dash!!
2016 Super Tenere. Had a 2009 R1200GS that taught me how unreliable BMW’s can be. The Super Tenere does everything I want it to do, is the most reliable of the ADV’s and service is simple
@@TheSteveFreeman Longhaulpaul, a fellow TH-camr with MS, did 1 million miles on Super Tenere to raise funds for MS research. 1 Million miles without any major issue - Super Tenere is a true adventure motorcycle.
You mean to tell me you never looked up luggage bags that are rackless. I can think of 5 companies that make this stuff... ADV magazine advertises such items
Of course I looked them up, but for the longest time, there were no third-party manufacturers that were making accessories for the Harley Davidson pan America. There was a specially no one making side, mounting hardware for the pan America. There were a couple options, but I did not like their panniers and you had to buy them as a set
It’s about owning the bike and wanting to actually use it and adventure bike, but being unable to use the bike for the reason I bought it. Kinda like buying a lawnmower without blades….
The pan American special comes with full furniture, if you had a problem with your for not having bags/ furniture. Thats your fault for not getting the right package
I bought the special and it does not come with panniers or soft bags. The special has never come with accessories and when I bought mine when it came out in 2021 I was told it would take 2 weeks to get them if I ordered them, then that changed to being back ordered for over a year. The only PA that come with any panniers is the new CVO that just came out this year
Love the adventure bike category! Great video, can't wait to see more. I wonder what the coming iterations of the Harley Pan-America is going to look like. They certainly made a splash in the ADV world, but seems like they need to get their parts and accessory game dialed in before that bike can truly grow.
I have a 22 special and its the biggest piece of junk i have ever rode. Plagued with electrical issues. Wont crank in the cold. Randomly shut down on me twice while riding. Limp mode errors every week. Coolant hose busted because it was too close to the exhaust from factory. Crunchy shifter. Goes into neutral a lot more often than another HD. You can upshift hard from 1st gear and it will go into neutral. Fried two BCMs. Fob goes through batteries really fast. Replaced battery in fob twice in 1 year. Fob doesnt unlock bike unless you wiggle it on the seat. Overall a crap experience.
I feel your pain brother!! I have all of those problems and more! The only thing that saved me was finally finding a great dealer that took the bike and went all the way thru it and fixed all the issues! The bike should have gone thru more R&D before it was released!!
The review doesn't start until 3:30 and then I had to watch commercials and I still don't know why you don't like it. That's annoying AF. KTM 1290 SDGT. Have a 2016 and a 2019. Love them. The only thing else I would get is a Ducati Multistrada. Because I just don't want to part with the maximum power available.
500 pound bikes don't have off-road "capability." That sucks. If you want to go off-road get a dirt bike. I like Sport Touring, not Adventure. I wouldn't take a Pan America off-road.
I said why I hated it…the lack of accessory options to make it a true adventure bike. I thought that’s as pretty clear. I’ve had a multistrada, great bike for pavement adventures . I’ve taken the PA off road and it is very capable as long as you’re in enduro mode. I’ve scaled mountains, trails and fire roads and desert on this thing and it kept up with everyone I was with on GS’s and others. I do believe you are correct though, if it’s dirt or rugged off-roading you want to do, there are better options for sure!
@@TheSteveFreeman It could have been and should have been a 30 second to 1 minute video. And then you added 10 minutes of fluff to get the ad revenue. Stop fluffing non-content. Your video was like one of those click bait, bait and switch stories... that eventually say what it was about, as if that makes it somehow better than the ones that never reveal anything.
@@christopherallmand9407 well the next time I’m looking for or wanting advice from Someone on my content , I’ll be sure and hit you up. I would hold my breath if I were you.
93 FXRS LowRider Convertable. 138 thousand miles. ALL STOCK. Did everything you guys are doing and more. So the main reasons why I keep my bike is DEPENDABILITY AND I CAN REPAIR IT MYSELF. Most so called HD riders are just squids and has never done anything with their bikes.
Let me guess, because I’d doesn’t sound like a sportster. I don’t understand how Indian can make a liquid cooled big twin, but Harley can’t do that and make it better that indian by keeping the classic look of Harley but liquid cooled …?
Harley bought mine back because it was plagued by never ending issues. I only had it for 1,000 miles before I got fed up and told them I didn’t want it or any other Harley. Their new bikes are junk.
Did I not explain in detail Why I hated my PA? I believe I did, I also Provided a solution to the problem, if you don’t like it, fuck off and troll someone else’s channel
Actually, Harley corporate told me verbatim that they did not expect the popularity of the PA and we’re not prepared from a manufacturing standpoint to come close to supplying the demand. Covid had nothing to with it. Covid shipping issues aren’t effecting any other brand, not BMW, not Triumph, not Honda, not Ducati, nobody. They simply weren’t prepared.
I absolutely hate mine and wish I had been smart enough not to buy it! Pile of steaming crap! And good luck getting rid of these things without taking a bath.
@TheSteveFreeman this is my second one actually, I had a 2021 that was bought back due to it being a turd, I've had more electrical issues than I can count, coolant leaks, engine noise, ARH failure, no starts, hard starts, been left stranded twice, transmission has a habit of getting stuck in gear after a downshift, the best was the upgraded side stand failed and broke in a parking lot destroying the factory panniers on one side, HD did nothing for that either, have 2200 miles on this one and to sell it I will take a huge bath, they have zero resale value, most bought HD of 21, now they are the most traded in model of 22 and most likely 23, swing and a huge miss by HD.
Trust me, I’ve had every single issue you’ve heard about with my Pan America. Electrical problems, too many to count, but the main issue when I made this video 3 years ago was the fact that you couldn’t take this bike on an adventure because no parts were available to make that possible. I bought the bike specifically to do adventure trips.
Thanks for the video BUT, Your title is SO Misleading. Just because you cannot carry stuff, you cannot state that you HATE the Bike. The Bike is NOT perfect, but I can tell you that this bike is a Swiss Army Knife. I've owned many bikes in my riding career and based on my experience, HD did a pretty good job. I ride a 22 PA I just did a Ride from Houston to Vegas for a conference and this bike is great to tour on but also ride off road. I'm comparing this to my sport Bikes ( Hurricane, 2 x Ninja's , ZRX1200, KZ750 ) On the Cruising side ( VTX1300, Goldwing, Road King) and based on that, this Bike is great. Again, not perfect, but great. Sure wish companies would send me free stuff to test, going to start a channel and provide real titles to stuff. I can only have one bike in my garage and this bike damn near does it all - almost. Keep making content. I did a ride to San Diego 2 years ago on my Road King, and yes, California is awesome for bikers......Getting older and the King is very heavy..... Ride safe - See ya on the road.
Actually, I have MANY we’ll documented reasons as to why I hate this bike, but among them which is the reason for this video was that I purchased an adventure bike incapable of gong on an adventure because Harley didn’t manufacture enough of the side mounting hardware or panniers to get for the bike and no third party manufacturers had anything either. I bought this bike specifically to take long off and on road journeys which require you to to pack clothes and essentials, which I couldn’t do, that’s why I hated the bike, besides the first year 2021’s like mine being riddled with constant battery and electrical issues. Many of those have been worked out in the 2 year models proceeding mine and now, the side mounting hardware is more readily available so that PA owners can actually take the bike on an adventure. I love the idea of the bike and had I bought a 22 or 23, I wouldn’t have the complaints I have.
@@TheSteveFreeman I see your point. But I respectfully disagree with you hating this Bike. Have to share that the only thing I have purchased to carry my stuff is the rear mounting Rack. I reused an old touring case I had on the RK and it worked really well - same color BLACK and it carries all my tools and LAPTOP, I also reused a triple play brake flasher from custom dynamics - with this thing having the CANBUS system you have to be very creative how you add lights(leds) . I had a luggage bag on rollers that served as a backrest as well on the rear seat. I do not like side cases much but if I had to buy some, I would like to try the soft cases. They are a little out of my reach....So I got creative. Hope I run into you on my rides to CA in the future and we can debate over a drink, or 2 or 3....Ride safe brother. Thanks for the videos...
@@JoseVillarreal-ke1kv totally agree with you! I’ve got the side mounting hardware now, but much prefer the soft bags in all honesty! That drink or drinks, sounds like a good idea to me!! Be safe out there!!
Geez imagine parking a brand new expensive bike because you couldn't get accessories immediately 😂 these silver spoon yuppies will NEVER experience the true joy of motorcycle ownership.
Well, when you buy the bike with the sole intention of using those accessories to take adventures... Has nothing to do with a silver spoon at all! Had I known they weren't going to be available as I was told they were, I would've bought a different bike that could do everything I wanted and needed it to do from day 1
@TheSteveFreeman lol yeah right.. you tweak your bike over time that's how you bond with it, no true rider sits out a bike because of accessories you just adapt
@@ianjones2731 when you have 4 other bikes you do! I bought the bike to take on specific cross country expedition and the pan America trail trip from Alaska to Baja Mexico. Couldn’t take it because the “accessories” weren’t available. I’ve owned bikes longer than you’ve probably been alive, so don’t try to school me on how to own a bike.
@@ianjones2731 not really, you’re just one of those asshole losers who never has anything positive to say, has never accomplished anything, has to be on the opposite side of anything and is threatened by everyone
A Click Bait video for LoneRider .Save yourself 10 mins. Video starts at 4 Min mark He wanted to take adventure ride. But he hated cause accessories were not available (cause it was a new bike Duh) He stopped riding the Pan America Then he shamelessly plug LoneRider He got accessories from them He now loves his Bike.. He thanks Lone Rider for giving him free luggage. He ask you what accessories you got on your bike. Video ends!!!
I don't like your video, because there was too much fluffing about with 3:30 to get the discussion, talk about padding out the video. Then your problem was gear, and then the video starts to sound like a sponsored advertisement.
Not being able to take an adventure bike on an adventure is an issue with the bike. BMW, Ducati, Triumph, Honda, Kawasaki, none of the other adventure bike manufacturers have any issue with making the accessories that are required to taking an adventure available. So in my opinion, it’s all about the bike.
I've owned both. Sold my BMW to buy the Pan Am and have not been disappointed. BMW has some annoying traits that you did not hit on which have plagued the bike for years. Overall though, I thought your review was well done. The Pan Am is not perfect but neither was the BMW. I'm at 7500 miles now with zero issues. Overall what has impressed me most about the Pan Am is its ability to chew up miles without effort. What impressed me the least about the Pan Am and something Harley really needs to address is the size and placement of the rear tail light. Small and hard to see with full bags on the bike. Borderline dangerous. I rigged aftermarket LED's on my tail box to help with that. Otherwise, good scoot. 14 Reply
The PA gets a lot of negative hits on utube. The reason for your "hate" is buying a first year bike and not finding parts support? I just got on line and found Givi luggage and racks in stock. I think the research took 2 days. Motostorm out of Italy, and I think racks and hard bags were under 1500.00 US. They also have soft bag choices. I have a PA, ride both on and off road. Great bike, toured on it in Washington, Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming this summer.
I was one of the first to have the bike, so it was a LONG time before aftermarket parts were made available and I do t want aftermarket. Harley should’ve been prepared and not been back ordered for bags and mounts for the first year the bike was out. I love the bike itself, other than the recalls, but I can take that!
@@grayghost1423 there’s a starter/battery recall. The ignition system won’t click over and won’t start. I wasn’t aware of it until I had the problem and then found a ton of people on forums talking about it
I would’ve gladly purchased the Harley soft bags and hard cases, BUT, if you would’ve been paying attention to the video, they were all on back order and unavailable for almost 2 years, which is why I didn’t like the PA as much, because I couldn’t use the bike for adventure riding, to be able to take gear with me. Pay attention more, be an asshole less
@@TheSteveFreeman there one right now at Ventura Harley Davidson, with hard bags cameras both in front and the back only $22,000. Dls if you really want one. I saw yesterday
@@OG_MuttDog I’ve got a couple sets now, I had to order and wait, but finally got them a couple months ago. The side mounting hardware took the longest to get
I would suggest TikTok for you since you have the attention span of a 10 year old! Also, no comments from people without a profile picture are taken seriously, take a walk
I ride a 2002 Heritage softail and a 2016 Road Glide Special. I saw a Pan Am, then a Live wire. I said what the FUCK. I really like Harley but i don't understand them.
It's called diversifying your stable. A narrow focus doesn't bring in as many potential buyers. I think you still understand HD, you just don't understand changes in the motorcycling climate. I don't believe the Pan Am or the Live Wire is HD's problem, putting out dependable, quality, and affordable bikes are. Getting younger riders in your showrooms is good for business. The ADV is the fastest growing segment in motorcycling. HD did a great job of stepping out of the box. As a manufacturer, these things need to happen. I'm sure someone said, I just understand Ford. Why did they take the crank starter off the front of the car? It's called innovation. Safe travels.
Thank you for for checking out the new video! If you own an adventure bike, let me know what you have!!
Well, right now... Nothing! I have an FJR. I ~kinda like it, its just that it will not die. Its a 2005. I keep saying, once this thing dies, or leaves me on the side of the road, or even one thing breaks... I am going back to BMWs. I guess I like having something to work on. The FJR, it really only needs oil changes, and other minimal maintenance.
I thought about getting a Tenere or T7. But I am worried, at 56yrs old, I will probably die before it does.
Based on your other responses, your not going to like this... But this is Click Bait, advertising for bag. You didn't like bike until you got bags is Click Bait.
Did I say in detail why I hated my Pan America? Yes! Then its not clickbait. Look up the definition of "Click Bait". So, every video that gives a solution to a major problem is Click Bait? Ok!
I actually was excited to hear a review from someone who actually owns the darn thing! I feel a ten min test ride from Harley and back is never a true review TH-cam is flooded with lackluster reviews on just about every bike just for views
2017 bmw 1200 gs. I got it to do prudhoe bay to key west (Alaska to Florida) frankly I hated the bike BEFORE I got it. Boxer engine is shit, the frame suspension makes handling wonky and generally just a shit bike with a cult following. The moment I did my ride I sold it. I’ve been back on cruisers ever since with a few sport bikes in between. I’ve been looking at and rising pan americas on and off since they came out. Frankly they’re overpriced currently and there’s no way in hell I’m paying 25k for a bike Msrp at 19k so til dealers get hungry I’m looking for used.
You should ride a Super Tenere. Not cult following there but by far the most reliable
@@thelloyds4635 I rode one and just didn’t jive with it. To be fair I ride vtwins mostly so the parallel twin sounds and runs wonky to me. Plus I’m old so cruise control makes my trips worthy.
Review starts at 4:90.
Yes!!!! get to the point please lol
you mean 5:20 ?
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Can't carry gear is the reason? Get a Rav4
Super tenere 1200, reliability, love the no maintenance drive shafts , comfortable all day long, you can drop it and it never break , after tune the twin come alive and bark and pull with attitude . Less expensive big adventure , and lot off after market accessories.
I'm close to buying a 1200 Tenere. Some say it's ugly but I'm no ladies catch myself don't ya know.
So glad my friend sent me this link.
It's time for me to get an on-off road bike and this one seems exactly what I need.
I'm thinking your problems with gear were likely related to the supply chain issues during that horrid time. I'm of the mind that we have seen nothing yet related to what's coming but fuck it, I ain't waiting for things to improve to go riding again.
I took a Victory Kingpin - it was bad-ass!! - from Utah to near the Guatemala border by myself several years ago. The Kingpin was what you said, good for pavement - not so much for off road. I put over 100K miles on it in a short time and recently sold it.
Now that I turned 62, and will get a little extra cash (hopefully - cause you know how bad the banking system is) It's time to go for another bike and I'm thinking the Pan American is exactly what I need.
I'm not like you, all tidy. I basically looked like the Beverly Hillbillies on two wheels when I rode to Mexico. Went there three times - once to Guadalajara, once to Puerto Escondido (HIGHLY RECOMMEND - OMG I WANNA DIE THERE!!) - and the final time to Chiapas, the state that borders Guatemala.
I didn't reach the Guatemalan border because I got some bad vibes from several trucks full of what seemed to be guerrilla warriors. But I got back to the states traveling through the east coast.
I'm so glad I made those trips because on my deathbed I would have regretted not going. My old man, more of a motorcycle enthusiast than a bonafide "biker," refused to go with me. He's a Vietnam era retired officer (I was in the Marines, also - 1979-1983). He's 15 years older than I and when I asked him if he'd go with me his exact words were, "I ain't gonna get killed by no cartel." LOL I felt safer in Mexico than if I had gone to Chicago - which is actually where I need to go now from where I live near San Antonio, Tx.
Thanks again for that lovely review! New sub.
I have owned a 2002 Triumph Tiger 955 since 2007, I love it, in October I bought a 2022 Pan America special, I got the luggage at the same time, I love My new Pan-Am, it's a blizzard out right now, but in a month and a half I put on 4000 miles, can't wait till warmer weather, the Tiger is going to be sold, and I will be ridding the crap out of the Pan-Am, Both bikes are on battery tenders in My heated garage, it is supposed to drop down to 10 below F. this Friday and Saturday night, and 10 inches of snow here in Iowa, thinking about loading up one of them up and hauling it down to Florida for a week,
Glad you are loving your Pan America! I'm really starting to love mine more. We are fortunate to be in Southern California and the weather is great almost always! I need to get in some dirt pretty soon!
I've owned both. Sold my BMW to buy the Pan Am and have not been disappointed. BMW has some annoying traits that you did not hit on which have plagued the bike for years. Overall though, I thought your review was well done. The Pan Am is not perfect but neither was the BMW. I'm at 7500 miles now with zero issues. Overall what has impressed me most about the Pan Am is its ability to chew up miles without effort. What impressed me the least about the Pan Am and something Harley really needs to address is the size and placement of the rear tail light. Small and hard to see with full bags on the bike. Borderline dangerous. I rigged aftermarket LED's on my tail box to help with that. Otherwise, good scoot.
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@@greenrush4313 Hello Sir, I wrote that review a year ago, I did not sell My old Tiger, and that turned out to be a good thing, My Pan America sprung an oil leak, and it was repaired under warranty, but it took four attempts and three months of down time, right in the middle of summer, lets just say, I am glad I kept the Tiger around, I did not get to do any long trips last summer, I have been eyeing a few trips this year, still love the Pan America, we will see if it keeps running good so I get to put on some serious miles this year, at this time I have 17000 miles and only have had a couple random lost comm. codes pop up, so other than the oil leak, it has been pretty problem free.
Own a 17 GSA. Bought it used. It is a great bike and it came with all the hard panniers, etc! Prefer the shaft final drive to a chain. HOG did screwup by not having the accessories ready to go with the launch. Glad you are enjoying your bike now.
The GSA is a GREAT bike!! Thanks for watching brother!!!
Can’t stand shaft drive.
You hated it because it was a new model with no accessories available, then you didn't ride it. New models never have stuff available. Doesn't sound like you gave it a fair shake. Nice advertisement tho!
I bought a 2010 BMW r1200 GS the last air-oil cooled one. I had about 30 bikes, I love this one most. I am 55, Bike does everything, like touring, commuting and on the twisty roads it is like a big supermoto.
That's a great bike!! I've never heard anyone complain about their r1200!
On a KLR you don't need to wait for saddle bags or panniers. All you need is a milk crate and a couple of bungee cords and you're ready for the Dalton Hwy.
My God if that is not true.
I have seen some KLRs out in the desert in California on my KTM 300 dirt bike. Once, out where, I was thinking the dirt bike might need a helicopter rescue. And here comes this raggedy KLR. Looked like it'd just got off the Mad Maxx movie set. Dude says not a word, gets out the longest tie down strap I have ever seen, and just pulls me to safety. And then, he grunted and rode off. My buddy and I laughed and laughed, but were very thankful.
HD has broken new ground and also entered an arena with some heavy hitters like BMW, Triumph, Yamaha, Ducati etc. I think the Pan America has a long time future in HDs product line and each year the Pan America will get a little better than the previous. And like every HD accessory, there's after-market parts, often better and less expensive. Cracking good video mate, best of luck to you and your family.
I have the LoneRider semi rigid panniers on my Pan Am. Love them. Waiting on delivery of my LoneRider adjustable foot pegs for it.
Did you use the Harley factory side mounting hardware to mount the panniers?
@@TheSteveFreeman No, I used Givi because I had their aluminum panniers already, although they don't get much use now that I have the LoneRider's.
Hey Steve, you think Harley will keep making the Pan America for the duration, like a long time? Or are they gonna lose interest in a few years?
Hey Tim, Harley will be sticking with the Pan America platform. It's only gettin more and more popular. Now that I have mine squared away, its honestly my favorite bike!
@@TheSteveFreeman I have been pondering and pontificating the PanAm as my next bike. Problem is, I buy used. Usually 3-5yrs old, from some well off guy who, ''thought they'd ride it more''. 🤔. 😎. So, it needs a few more years of ''curing'' before its ready for me. I can be really hard on a bike, and at plus $22K new, well, I couldn't do that.
@@TimRHillard you can find a very lightly used 23 model with some upgrades for around 13-14k right now.
@@TheSteveFreeman Really? That's not bad for what you get. I might have to check that out. 👍👍
I have the PAS, didn't go for the HD hard bags for 2 reasons: primarily, you need a key every time you want to open and close the panniers (just a pain!) and because there are several better after market options (in my opinion) whereby the right side pannier is shaped wider at the top for more storage and a more pleasing look. I went with the Hepco-Becker hard paniers (not inexpensive) but man they are of the highest German quality and work brilliantly. Also, Givi and Shad have vairous design choices as well and carry very good reviews - if you don't want to pay the Harley tax yet still have high quality and functional stuff.
Good points, especially about needing the key!! Now you’ve got me thinking aftermarket!
I have the hard cases, don't mind the key aspect. I also have Mosko moto as well. All depends on where my trip takes me.
I purchased a KLR650 about six years ago. While any bike will take you to the ends of the Earth I chose the KLR because it will also get you back home.
Brother had one. Too many "Electrical Gremlins", loved the bike but opted for BMW 800Gs.
I identify with all of those electrical gremlins for sure! How do you like the 800GS?
I have a Pan Am and I love the bike!! I can't imagine going back to a cruiser / touring type bike.
It really is the swiss army knife of motorcycles
I have a 2022 Pan America Special and love it! I love it every time I take it out for a ride or even when it's just sitting in my garage. I have the H-D Sport luggage, but I plan on picking a set of the Mosko Moto bags for more durability and waterproofing.
I've heard and seen really good things about the Mosko set! Let me know when you get them and what you think about them!
I have a 2021 PAS in orange. I love it when it works. But I've had tons of problems with it. Motorcycle not starting, motorcycle leaving me stranded and having to get towed. The dealership has replaced the battery twice in 6 months. I recently just did my 5k service and they had to replace the starter and clutch, fuel tank sensor, and the header pipe/heat shield because the one that was from the factory just broke off while I was on the highway one day.
I've got some accessories on the bike I really like, I have the SW Moto rack, and a givi top box. I've also got the mosko moto reckless system which I've taken on long trips and works well. But yeah HD did not prepare well for this launch at all.
Funny you should say that!!! I’ve just started having a hard time getting it started the last few days, the battery keeps going down! I’ve had to start leaving it on a tinder all the time!! Nice to know it’s not just me!!!!
@@TheSteveFreeman No that's a long standing gripe via the internet. HD has a recall/warranty fix to replace the starter clutch, check in with your dealer if you haven't done that yet.
Those comments right there are a reason I will avoid. HD living up to their unreliability
@@thelloyds4635 I've owned both. Sold my BMW to buy the Pan Am and have not been disappointed. BMW has some annoying traits that you did not hit on which have plagued the bike for years. Overall though, I thought your review was well done. The Pan Am is not perfect but neither was the BMW. I'm at 7500 miles now with zero issues. Overall what has impressed me most about the Pan Am is its ability to chew up miles without effort. What impressed me the least about the Pan Am and something Harley really needs to address is the size and placement of the rear tail light. Small and hard to see with full bags on the bike. Borderline dangerous. I rigged aftermarket LED's on my tail box to help with that. Otherwise, good scoot.
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Thanks for the tip on Loneride, can you provide a list of what works with you PanAm? Thier site is not updated with that info yet and my bike is on order right now so i am not locked into a brand yet.
Will do!!!
Why mount the phone there? Is it more important to see your phone than the dash
I keep it in landscape mode most of the time, so I can still see the dash. I was in a rush when we left and just threw it on! Lol
@@TheSteveFreeman lol just askin all the best
@@kelvinjowett4538 it’s funny you mentioned it cause as we were pulling out and I went to look at the dash, I was like, “This sucks”, cause when I’m portrait mode it literally covers 100% of the dash!!
@@TheSteveFreeman looks like it'd be a good phone mount for waze,or Google maps.
My dealership said they can't keep them on the floor...
Why? They're all in the shop?
Okay, apologies, just kidding. I could not resist.
2016 Super Tenere. Had a 2009 R1200GS that taught me how unreliable BMW’s can be. The Super Tenere does everything I want it to do, is the most reliable of the ADV’s and service is simple
That’s the third time the Tenere has come up this week! May have to check one out!
@@TheSteveFreeman Longhaulpaul, a fellow TH-camr with MS, did 1 million miles on Super Tenere to raise funds for MS research. 1 Million miles without any major issue - Super Tenere is a true adventure motorcycle.
You mean to tell me you never looked up luggage bags that are rackless. I can think of 5 companies that make this stuff... ADV magazine advertises such items
Of course I looked them up, but for the longest time, there were no third-party manufacturers that were making accessories for the Harley Davidson pan America. There was a specially no one making side, mounting hardware for the pan America. There were a couple options, but I did not like their panniers and you had to buy them as a set
@Steve Freeman I guess you needed luggage that protected your filming equipment. So Stiff style or hard case style. Gotcha
@@rickvann3489 exactly!! I was just able to get the Harley side mounting hardware and hard panniers are in order :)
Honda Africa Twin yes still like it as much but got a racer beside it
Touratech has offered superior bags since just after the PanAm’s launch. They are worth a look.
Just got the side mounting hardware, the search is on!! Thanks for the recommendation!!
So it’s not about the bike it’s about bags. I get it 😂
It’s about owning the bike and wanting to actually use it and adventure bike, but being unable to use the bike for the reason I bought it. Kinda like buying a lawnmower without blades….
The pan American special comes with full furniture, if you had a problem with your for not having bags/ furniture. Thats your fault for not getting the right package
I bought the special and it does not come with panniers or soft bags. The special has never come with accessories and when I bought mine when it came out in 2021 I was told it would take 2 weeks to get them if I ordered them, then that changed to being back ordered for over a year. The only PA that come with any panniers is the new CVO that just came out this year
Useful as a reference🎉
Love the adventure bike category! Great video, can't wait to see more. I wonder what the coming iterations of the Harley Pan-America is going to look like. They certainly made a splash in the ADV world, but seems like they need to get their parts and accessory game dialed in before that bike can truly grow.
I have a 22 special and its the biggest piece of junk i have ever rode. Plagued with electrical issues. Wont crank in the cold. Randomly shut down on me twice while riding. Limp mode errors every week. Coolant hose busted because it was too close to the exhaust from factory. Crunchy shifter. Goes into neutral a lot more often than another HD. You can upshift hard from 1st gear and it will go into neutral. Fried two BCMs. Fob goes through batteries really fast. Replaced battery in fob twice in 1 year. Fob doesnt unlock bike unless you wiggle it on the seat. Overall a crap experience.
I feel your pain brother!! I have all of those problems and more! The only thing that saved me was finally finding a great dealer that took the bike and went all the way thru it and fixed all the issues! The bike should have gone thru more R&D before it was released!!
What, I've never heard one complaint on the PA?😮
The 2021 models are riddled with issues from the factory.
The review doesn't start until 3:30 and then I had to watch commercials and I still don't know why you don't like it. That's annoying AF.
KTM 1290 SDGT. Have a 2016 and a 2019. Love them. The only thing else I would get is a Ducati Multistrada. Because I just don't want to part with the maximum power available.
500 pound bikes don't have off-road "capability." That sucks. If you want to go off-road get a dirt bike. I like Sport Touring, not Adventure. I wouldn't take a Pan America off-road.
The answer is you couldn't buy accessories for 2 years. That took 2 seconds to say. This could have been a 30 to 60 second video tops.
I said why I hated it…the lack of accessory options to make it a true adventure bike. I thought that’s as pretty clear. I’ve had a multistrada, great bike for pavement adventures . I’ve taken the PA off road and it is very capable as long as you’re in enduro mode. I’ve scaled mountains, trails and fire roads and desert on this thing and it kept up with everyone I was with on GS’s and others. I do believe you are correct though, if it’s dirt or rugged off-roading you want to do, there are better options for sure!
@@TheSteveFreeman It could have been and should have been a 30 second to 1 minute video. And then you added 10 minutes of fluff to get the ad revenue. Stop fluffing non-content. Your video was like one of those click bait, bait and switch stories... that eventually say what it was about, as if that makes it somehow better than the ones that never reveal anything.
@@christopherallmand9407 well the next time I’m looking for or wanting advice from
Someone on my content , I’ll be sure and hit you up. I would hold my breath if I were you.
93 FXRS LowRider Convertable. 138 thousand miles. ALL STOCK. Did everything you guys are doing and more. So the main reasons why I keep my bike is DEPENDABILITY AND I CAN REPAIR IT MYSELF. Most so called HD riders are just squids and has never done anything with their bikes.
yamaha super tenere and i love it but thinking about pan amarica
I think I saw 👀 that bike on a tow truck
Wasn't mine, but that doesn't surprise me!
Let me guess, because I’d doesn’t sound like a sportster. I don’t understand how Indian can make a liquid cooled big twin, but Harley can’t do that and make it better that indian by keeping the classic look of Harley but liquid cooled
…?
Nothing to do with the sound! And yes, I wonder the same thing
KTM Super Adventure. It is pure beast mode.
Saw one a couple
Weeks ago, it looked like a bike that was meant for adventuring for sure!!!
KTM 1290 Super Adventure S. 165 HP.
Harley bought mine back because it was plagued by never ending issues. I only had it for 1,000 miles before I got fed up and told them I didn’t want it or any other Harley. Their new bikes are junk.
Starting to agree with you!!!!
I've talked 2 two guys that had them said they luved them...
If i buy a 2nd hd it'll be a PA 4 sure...
Click Bait!! Just advertising for bags.
Did I not explain in detail
Why I hated my PA? I believe I did, I also
Provided a solution to the problem, if you don’t like it, fuck off and troll someone else’s channel
I'd hate it too if fingerless gloves were a requirement to ride one.
There’s always gotta be 1 smart ass in the class.
@@TheSteveFreeman 😁
TL;DW there were no accessories available, now there are, the end.
Thought this was going to be a review of the bike.
If it were going to be a review, then "Review" probably would've been in the title....
Skip to 5 minutes. Then he a actually starts talking about the bike. Spoiler alert, it’s luggage advertisement
All the problems got solved in 2022. Post another video please. Accessories finally slowly coming in. Glad you're on it again!
Thanks Mark! New video about the PA coming this week! Thanks for watching
Buddy..... Its 2023 and the covid shipping issues are still happening. It has absolutely nothing to do with harley lol
Actually, Harley corporate told me verbatim that they did not expect the popularity of the PA and we’re not prepared from a manufacturing standpoint to come close to supplying the demand. Covid had nothing to with it. Covid shipping issues aren’t effecting any other brand, not BMW, not Triumph, not Honda, not Ducati, nobody. They simply weren’t prepared.
I absolutely hate mine and wish I had been smart enough not to buy it! Pile of steaming crap! And good luck getting rid of these things without taking a bath.
I’ve been there and understand your feelings bro!! What are the major issues for you??
@TheSteveFreeman this is my second one actually, I had a 2021 that was bought back due to it being a turd, I've had more electrical issues than I can count, coolant leaks, engine noise, ARH failure, no starts, hard starts, been left stranded twice, transmission has a habit of getting stuck in gear after a downshift, the best was the upgraded side stand failed and broke in a parking lot destroying the factory panniers on one side, HD did nothing for that either, have 2200 miles on this one and to sell it I will take a huge bath, they have zero resale value, most bought HD of 21, now they are the most traded in model of 22 and most likely 23, swing and a huge miss by HD.
So not anything bad about the actual bike!?
Trust me, I’ve had every single issue you’ve heard about with my Pan America. Electrical problems, too many to count, but the main issue when I made this video 3 years ago was the fact that you couldn’t take this bike on an adventure because no parts were available to make that possible. I bought the bike specifically to do adventure trips.
I think it took too long to get to the point of the video
Thanks for the video BUT, Your title is SO Misleading. Just because you cannot carry stuff, you cannot state that you HATE the Bike.
The Bike is NOT perfect, but I can tell you that this bike is a Swiss Army Knife. I've owned many bikes in my riding career and based on my experience, HD did a pretty good job. I ride a 22 PA
I just did a Ride from Houston to Vegas for a conference and this bike is great to tour on but also ride off road.
I'm comparing this to my sport Bikes ( Hurricane, 2 x Ninja's , ZRX1200, KZ750 ) On the Cruising side ( VTX1300, Goldwing, Road King)
and based on that, this Bike is great. Again, not perfect, but great. Sure wish companies would send me free stuff to test, going to start a channel and provide real titles to stuff. I can only have one bike in my garage and this bike damn near does it all - almost.
Keep making content. I did a ride to San Diego 2 years ago on my Road King, and yes, California is awesome for bikers......Getting older and the King is very heavy.....
Ride safe - See ya on the road.
Actually, I have MANY we’ll documented reasons as to why I hate this bike, but among them which is the reason for this video was that I purchased an adventure bike incapable of gong on an adventure because Harley didn’t manufacture enough of the side mounting hardware or panniers to get for the bike and no third party manufacturers had anything either. I bought this bike specifically to take long off and on road journeys which require you to to pack clothes and essentials, which I couldn’t do, that’s why I hated the bike, besides the first year 2021’s like mine being riddled with constant battery and electrical issues. Many of those have been worked out in the 2 year models proceeding mine and now, the side mounting hardware is more readily available so that PA owners can actually take the bike on an adventure. I love the idea of the bike and had I bought a 22 or 23, I wouldn’t have the complaints I have.
@@TheSteveFreeman I see your point. But I respectfully disagree with you hating this Bike. Have to share that the only thing I have purchased to carry my stuff is the rear mounting Rack. I reused an old touring case I had on the RK and it worked really well - same color BLACK and it carries all my tools and LAPTOP, I also reused a triple play brake flasher from custom dynamics - with this thing having the CANBUS system you have to be very creative how you add lights(leds) . I had a luggage bag on rollers that served as a backrest as well on the rear seat. I do not like side cases much but if I had to buy some, I would like to try the soft cases. They are a little out of my reach....So I got creative. Hope I run into you on my rides to CA in the future and we can debate over a drink, or 2 or 3....Ride safe brother. Thanks for the videos...
@@JoseVillarreal-ke1kv totally agree with you! I’ve got the side mounting hardware now, but much prefer the soft bags in all honesty! That drink or drinks, sounds like a good idea to me!! Be safe out there!!
Geez imagine parking a brand new expensive bike because you couldn't get accessories immediately 😂 these silver spoon yuppies will NEVER experience the true joy of motorcycle ownership.
Well, when you buy the bike with the sole intention of using those accessories to take adventures... Has nothing to do with a silver spoon at all! Had I known they weren't going to be available as I was told they were, I would've bought a different bike that could do everything I wanted and needed it to do from day 1
@TheSteveFreeman lol yeah right.. you tweak your bike over time that's how you bond with it, no true rider sits out a bike because of accessories you just adapt
@@ianjones2731 when you have 4 other bikes you do! I bought the bike to take on specific cross country expedition and the pan America trail trip from Alaska to Baja Mexico. Couldn’t take it because the “accessories” weren’t available. I’ve owned bikes longer than you’ve probably been alive, so don’t try to school me on how to own a bike.
@@TheSteveFreeman oh now he's flexing like a teenager 🤣🤣
@@ianjones2731 not really, you’re just one of those asshole losers who never has anything positive to say, has never accomplished anything, has to be on the opposite side of anything and is threatened by everyone
A Click Bait video for LoneRider .Save yourself 10 mins.
Video starts at 4 Min mark
He wanted to take adventure ride.
But he hated cause accessories were not available (cause it was a new bike Duh)
He stopped riding the Pan America
Then he shamelessly plug LoneRider
He got accessories from them
He now loves his Bike..
He thanks Lone Rider for giving him free luggage.
He ask you what accessories you got on your bike.
Video ends!!!
@@baluoch I bet you got picked on a lot in school.
To save anyone some time, dislike starts at 3:35 - praising free gear from lone rider 6:00 - 8:30
Somebody that would take the time to comment and notate that, has way to much time on their hands to complain about saving someone time
No space to carry gear? What? Get a Rav4...
I don't like your video, because there was too much fluffing about with 3:30 to get the discussion, talk about padding out the video. Then your problem was gear, and then the video starts to sound like a sponsored advertisement.
Great, when you start making content, make it your way! I'll keep making it my way. If you don't like it, don't watch!
Jeez - turned into a luggage ad...
I hope your movies are better that this video!! 9 minutes of bs for 30 seconds of actual answers.
This is totally a catfish video. You gripe with the bike had nothing to do with the bike and everything to do with part availability. Nice sneaky ad..
Not being able to take an adventure bike on an adventure is an issue with the bike. BMW, Ducati, Triumph, Honda, Kawasaki, none of the other adventure bike manufacturers have any issue with making the accessories that are required to taking an adventure available. So in my opinion, it’s all about the bike.
I've owned both. Sold my BMW to buy the Pan Am and have not been disappointed. BMW has some annoying traits that you did not hit on which have plagued the bike for years. Overall though, I thought your review was well done. The Pan Am is not perfect but neither was the BMW. I'm at 7500 miles now with zero issues. Overall what has impressed me most about the Pan Am is its ability to chew up miles without effort. What impressed me the least about the Pan Am and something Harley really needs to address is the size and placement of the rear tail light. Small and hard to see with full bags on the bike. Borderline dangerous. I rigged aftermarket LED's on my tail box to help with that. Otherwise, good scoot.
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Nice bike
Thanks man!!
@@TheSteveFreeman welcome back
@@ismaelfreytes1106 THANKS SO MUCH, It's good to be back! Tons of content coming!
@@TheSteveFreeman great
The PA gets a lot of negative hits on utube. The reason for your "hate" is buying a first year bike and not finding parts support? I just got on line and found Givi luggage and racks in stock. I think the research took 2 days. Motostorm out of Italy, and I think racks and hard bags were under 1500.00 US. They also have soft bag choices.
I have a PA, ride both on and off road. Great bike, toured on it in Washington, Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming this summer.
I was one of the first to have the bike, so it was a LONG time before aftermarket parts were made available and I do t want aftermarket. Harley should’ve been prepared and not been back ordered for bags and mounts for the first year the bike was out. I love the bike itself, other than the recalls, but I can take that!
@@TheSteveFreeman my 22 has not had any recalls or even a software update, unless it was done before I got it.
@@grayghost1423 there’s a starter/battery recall. The ignition system won’t click over and won’t start. I wasn’t aware of it until I had the problem and then found a ton of people on forums talking about it
@@TheSteveFreeman what year is your bike?
@@grayghost1423 2021
Wow that cap is peak cringe.
It’s a Harley Davidson hat, blame them. Typical comment from someone without a profile picture
Wow. Nice ad
Thanks, I thought so too!
So if Harley gave you bags, you would like it. free free free free now I like it
I would’ve gladly purchased the Harley soft bags and hard cases, BUT, if you would’ve been paying attention to the video, they were all on back order and unavailable for almost 2 years, which is why I didn’t like the PA as much, because I couldn’t use the bike for adventure riding, to be able to take gear with me. Pay attention more, be an asshole less
@@TheSteveFreeman there one right now at Ventura Harley Davidson, with hard bags cameras both in front and the back only $22,000. Dls if you really want one. I saw yesterday
@@OG_MuttDog I’ve got a couple sets now, I had to order and wait, but finally got them a couple months ago. The side mounting hardware took the longest to get
5 fucking minutes of verbal diarrhea before you even get into it
I would suggest TikTok for you since you have the attention span of a 10 year old! Also, no comments from people without a profile picture are taken seriously, take a walk
what a narcist. His start talking what he want to say from 03:33
Go to Tik Tok where the content matches your attention span
I ride a 2002 Heritage softail and a 2016 Road Glide Special. I saw a Pan Am, then a Live wire. I said what the FUCK. I really like Harley but i don't understand them.
It's called diversifying your stable. A narrow focus doesn't bring in as many potential buyers. I think you still understand HD, you just don't understand changes in the motorcycling climate. I don't believe the Pan Am or the Live Wire is HD's problem, putting out dependable, quality, and affordable bikes are. Getting younger riders in your showrooms is good for business. The ADV is the fastest growing segment in motorcycling. HD did a great job of stepping out of the box. As a manufacturer, these things need to happen. I'm sure someone said, I just understand Ford. Why did they take the crank starter off the front of the car? It's called innovation. Safe travels.
C’on man 🤦🏻♂️