9:27 I’m surprised you didn’t list Rhaenyra’s children with Laenor for examples of hair not being obvious from the parents. They’re some of the strongest examples.
They're half Targaryen and half Strong though. Rhaenyra and Laenor didn't ACTUALLY have any kids together. Jon Snow is actually the strongest example. He's half Targaryen and half Stark, but his hair is very dark and his eyes are brown.
@@carastone3473 In the books he has grey eyes, like the Starks traditionally. Though it says dark grey specifically and I think the Starks typically have lighter eyes... Though Rhaegar's eyes are a dark indigo so I guess it's a combo of the genes, eye colour is waaaay more than one gene after all
It's only in the show, not the books, that their looks are such a giveaway. There were already dark-haired Targaryens in the books from legitimate outmarriages. And many character's hair colors were simply unmentioned.
I don't know about Cersei and Jaimie. But Tyrion has shown some interesting traits. His hair is a mix of gold and silver, his black eye just might be a dark violet (like Aegon III). He isn't just a dwarf, he is deformed (common with Targaryen babies, especially Maeleys Blackfyre), he has been exposed to toxic substances and fell into tainted water without becoming ill at all (Valyrians are immune to certain diseases), he was hypnotized by flames as a baby, and he has dragon dreams (not psychic, just about dragons). The last time we read about him, he's fixated on a white dragon piece. Aerys was alone with Joanna at some point, and Tyrion was born around 8-9 months later. Aerys took what he pleased, and he did *everything* in his insane power to make Tywin angry. Impregnating his wife with a deformed bastard would be the biggest middle finger. I personally believe in the Tyrion Targaryen theory. The dragon must have three heads. And the third certainly isn't Faegon.
I don't think George would actually do this, but I do think its interesting that everyone uses the twins looks as a reason against this theory, when the twins are the only Lannisters described as having hair the color of "beaten gold" (and they are described with these exact words three time in the books) since the only other characters whose hair is described with this exact phrase are Targaryens (Egg is described twice as having hair thata "shone like beaten gold and strands of silver woven all together" and at least one other Targaryen/ Targaryen descendant)
@@JohnDoe-vw4zf - no one knows because the lore is often vague about the time before the main story actually starts. I don't buy into this theory though.
@carastone3473 This theory is so random, though. The most responsible argument tries to make Joanna a consenting party in her own sexual assault and it's paints Rhaella as a jealous person when she is worried about her abusive rapist husband harming her friends.
I think Tywin hates Tyrion for the opposite reason. I think he knows, deep down, Tyrion is his only trueborn son. It would be perfect justice if Tyrion was proven to be Tywin's son
Cersei seems to be becoming progressively more demented over time just like Aerys... including a disturbing fascination with fire. Thus I think the theory that she at least is Aerys's daughter is very possible. Jaime may or may not be: Superfecundation is a thing. Tyrion is also possible because of his unusual coloring, but Aunt Genna once said he was "Tywin's only true son", so who knows at this point?
also some of the things cersie says and the way she acts is like the madking in his younger days. like both of them had the same idea about rebuilding a better kings landing from white stone, and starting projects with ideas but abandoning them just as fast. also she had so much pull on the madking as a child that she somehow convinced him to make jamie a kings guard if cersie isn't the madking's child she was atleast mentored by him while she was in Kings Landing. another thing
Their Aunt Jenna Lannister knew it. She once said to jaime jaime sweetling You smile like Gerion. Fight like Tyg and some of Kevan in you but you are not Tywin's son It's Tyrion.
What if Tywin actually doesn't have kids on his own? What if all three of the Lannisters (Jaime, Cersei and Tyrion) are Mad King's bastards? This will be absolutly cruel to Tywin Lannister
"When a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin" god the irony if those twins are Targaryen bastars with the crazy actually being a coin flip leaving Tywins only son being being Tyrion - that means the only child Johanna had who didn't come out a 'perfect golden lion' was the one kid with Tywins Lannister genes and the only child with little lion swimmers was the one who killed the love of his life. L's all around for Tywin - what a loser.
After your 'What if Brandon Stark Killed Littlefinger?" video, I'd like to see a video on the theory that Littlefinger played a hand in triggering Robert's Rebellion.
They may have an ancestor back there somewhere but Robert and Stannis and Renly are more Targaryen by blood than they are. (Ayres may have creeped but he feared Tywin above all else even to the detriment of the rebellion)
Yeah I got a gripe with this theory and how it's still going around. I understood this theory years ago because there was no timeline for certain events. But ever since a world of ice and fire book came out we have like solid timelines. Which guarantees tyrion's not a Targaryen and any capacity because there was like a two-year gap around his birth and being conceived. Jamie and cersei there's a tighter timeline but it's still pretty solid where it's pretty much guaranteed they're not Targaryen. I've always found this concept kind of stupid since the timelines of all this came out. It was hella interesting before we actually got dates from a world of ice and fire lol
hair color doesnt make a difference. in the books The queen who never was had dark hair in the books because she was part Baratheon or something like that. its just the show that gave her white hair. so hair doesn't matter.
"The seed is strong" is the quote from Jon Arryn in aGoT when referring to the Baratheon's hair colour being dark. So, hair colour definitely makes "a difference" to the Baratheons, but not necessarily other families.
Until GRRM says differently, I think Tyrion is a chimaera created from a failed twin. One was Aerys' child and the other was Tywin's, but one died in the womb and was absorbed by the survivor
@@E-x4d1234 how so? Stannis himself said he struggled with the decision and not all of Robert's bannermen joined him in the beginning, I imagine more would abandon him is his own Brother who holds storms end didn't join the rebellion.
@@E-x4d1234 he killed his younger brother through a ritual that required him to cheat on his wife... I love the one true king but he isn't infallible and I could see a timeliness where he sees Robert as a danger to house Baratheon and the resentment he holds comes forward. (Robert sleeping with his wife's sister in their wedding bed on the wedding night for example)
Answer this question. What do queens/high born ladies do when they find themselves pregnant by someone other than their husband? If they can pass them off as the kings child they do. But what if they can't? What do they do with the child? House Dayne has quite a few members with purple eyes. Maybe house Dayne didn't actually have purple eyes. Maybe house Dayne is a repository for Queens bastards. Ashara Dayne has violet eyes (blue and purple)of house Tarharyen, but the dark hair of the Baratheons. Could she be a Targaryen bastard? Tyrion is a chimera, the son of Joanna, and Aerys and Steffan Baratheon. Hence the Golden hair, and silver hair and streaks of black hair. And Tysha is the bastard daughter od Joanna and Steffan. Rhaella didn't care when Joanna was messing around with Aerys because she hated her husband. But when Joanna started sleeping with Steffan Rhaella tossed her out on her rump. And one more thing, Daenerys is called child of 3. Then she is given 3 prophecies. What if that's not what that means.
I don't understand the hate about house Lannister Bro all of house lannisters evil dead is the same thing as the targaryen incest and burning i never understand why the targaryens are the good guys even though they had massacre and burn hundred of people with dragon while the lannisters probably have just killed 20 to 39 apart from taiwan lannister of course
The Lannisters and the Lannister soldiers have killed (at least) thousands of people. When the mad King let Tywin and his army through the gates, they sacked the city!
targs did a lot of good things too, for example uniting westeros, ending 40 years of massacre and slavery in the riverlands, abolishing the first night and also making the kings road, the only bad things about them was the civil wars and the incest, but other then that they were pretty awsome except aerys ii.
It would be ironic if only Tyrion is actually Tywin only child. Joanna IS Tywin first cousin and Considering that when non Valyrian have incest their descendants actually suffer. That would explain a lot on Tyrion dwarfism, Jaime's and Cersei's beauty, and their children physically being well, even handsome and beautiful too.
9:27 I’m surprised you didn’t list Rhaenyra’s children with Laenor for examples of hair not being obvious from the parents.
They’re some of the strongest examples.
They're half Targaryen and half Strong though. Rhaenyra and Laenor didn't ACTUALLY have any kids together.
Jon Snow is actually the strongest example. He's half Targaryen and half Stark, but his hair is very dark and his eyes are brown.
A very *Strong* example indeed
@@carastone3473 In the books he has grey eyes, like the Starks traditionally. Though it says dark grey specifically and I think the Starks typically have lighter eyes... Though Rhaegar's eyes are a dark indigo so I guess it's a combo of the genes, eye colour is waaaay more than one gene after all
It's only in the show, not the books, that their looks are such a giveaway. There were already dark-haired Targaryens in the books from legitimate outmarriages. And many character's hair colors were simply unmentioned.
@@carastone3473in the books it’s less obvious whether or not they aren’t Valeryon.
I don't know about Cersei and Jaimie. But Tyrion has shown some interesting traits. His hair is a mix of gold and silver, his black eye just might be a dark violet (like Aegon III). He isn't just a dwarf, he is deformed (common with Targaryen babies, especially Maeleys Blackfyre), he has been exposed to toxic substances and fell into tainted water without becoming ill at all (Valyrians are immune to certain diseases), he was hypnotized by flames as a baby, and he has dragon dreams (not psychic, just about dragons). The last time we read about him, he's fixated on a white dragon piece. Aerys was alone with Joanna at some point, and Tyrion was born around 8-9 months later. Aerys took what he pleased, and he did *everything* in his insane power to make Tywin angry. Impregnating his wife with a deformed bastard would be the biggest middle finger.
I personally believe in the Tyrion Targaryen theory. The dragon must have three heads. And the third certainly isn't Faegon.
I don't think George would actually do this, but I do think its interesting that everyone uses the twins looks as a reason against this theory, when the twins are the only Lannisters described as having hair the color of "beaten gold" (and they are described with these exact words three time in the books) since the only other characters whose hair is described with this exact phrase are Targaryens (Egg is described twice as having hair thata "shone like beaten gold and strands of silver woven all together" and at least one other Targaryen/ Targaryen descendant)
When did Aerys have an opportunity to impregnate Joanna?
@@JohnDoe-vw4zf - no one knows because the lore is often vague about the time before the main story actually starts. I don't buy into this theory though.
@carastone3473 This theory is so random, though. The most responsible argument tries to make Joanna a consenting party in her own sexual assault and it's paints Rhaella as a jealous person when she is worried about her abusive rapist husband harming her friends.
@@JohnDoe-vw4zf Weren't they alone together during a tournament while Tywin was gone?
The twincest always made me assume that they were slightly retarged
I think Tywin hates Tyrion for the opposite reason. I think he knows, deep down, Tyrion is his only trueborn son. It would be perfect justice if Tyrion was proven to be Tywin's son
I don't strongly believe in these theories, but I desparately want J and C to be targs while Tyrion is actually tywins.
yes, i think this is it. I had the same thought. It would be ironic if the children he loved weren't actually his, but the child he despised is😂
Huh, Jaime and Tyrion both committing Patricide. It’s good for siblings to share a hobby.
In my head that's what I think.
Would be funny
Cersei seems to be becoming progressively more demented over time just like Aerys... including a disturbing fascination with fire. Thus I think the theory that she at least is Aerys's daughter is very possible. Jaime may or may not be: Superfecundation is a thing.
Tyrion is also possible because of his unusual coloring, but Aunt Genna once said he was "Tywin's only true son", so who knows at this point?
also some of the things cersie says and the way she acts is like the madking in his younger days. like both of them had the same idea about rebuilding a better kings landing from white stone, and starting projects with ideas but abandoning them just as fast. also she had so much pull on the madking as a child that she somehow convinced him to make jamie a kings guard if cersie isn't the madking's child she was atleast mentored by him while she was in Kings Landing.
another thing
There is also the theory that Cersei is the mad king’s daughter and Jamie was Tywin’s.
Tyrion's hair is described as white, not silver. He also has streaks of black and a black eye. I propose a different father: Lewyn Martell.
You sold me I’m all in on A+J=C+J
Their Aunt Jenna Lannister knew it. She once said to jaime
jaime sweetling You smile like Gerion. Fight like Tyg and some of Kevan in you but you are not Tywin's son It's Tyrion.
What if Tywin actually doesn't have kids on his own? What if all three of the Lannisters (Jaime, Cersei and Tyrion) are Mad King's bastards? This will be absolutly cruel to Tywin Lannister
"When a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin" god the irony if those twins are Targaryen bastars with the crazy actually being a coin flip leaving Tywins only son being being Tyrion - that means the only child Johanna had who didn't come out a 'perfect golden lion' was the one kid with Tywins Lannister genes and the only child with little lion swimmers was the one who killed the love of his life. L's all around for Tywin - what a loser.
After your 'What if Brandon Stark Killed Littlefinger?" video, I'd like to see a video on the theory that Littlefinger played a hand in triggering Robert's Rebellion.
are we ever getting part 3 off what if Rhaenys killed the greens was my favourate video off yours sad it wont get a ending
The seed is strong
My theory is that Jamie and Cersei are.
But Tyrion is 100% Tywin’s.
They may have an ancestor back there somewhere but Robert and Stannis and Renly are more Targaryen by blood than they are. (Ayres may have creeped but he feared Tywin above all else even to the detriment of the rebellion)
Yeah I got a gripe with this theory and how it's still going around. I understood this theory years ago because there was no timeline for certain events. But ever since a world of ice and fire book came out we have like solid timelines. Which guarantees tyrion's not a Targaryen and any capacity because there was like a two-year gap around his birth and being conceived. Jamie and cersei there's a tighter timeline but it's still pretty solid where it's pretty much guaranteed they're not Targaryen. I've always found this concept kind of stupid since the timelines of all this came out. It was hella interesting before we actually got dates from a world of ice and fire lol
Love watching your videos, always love talking to my boyfriend about your what ifs 😁
man imagine having a girlfriend who's an ASOIAF nerd
hair color doesnt make a difference. in the books The queen who never was had dark hair in the books because she was part Baratheon or something like that. its just the show that gave her white hair. so hair doesn't matter.
"The seed is strong" is the quote from Jon Arryn in aGoT when referring to the Baratheon's hair colour being dark. So, hair colour definitely makes "a difference" to the Baratheons, but not necessarily other families.
Until GRRM says differently, I think Tyrion is a chimaera created from a failed twin. One was Aerys' child and the other was Tywin's, but one died in the womb and was absorbed by the survivor
What if rhanerya claimed vaghar or vermithor or both
Day 3 of asking for:
What if Stannis baratheon stayed loyal to the Mad King during Robert's Rebellion.
This is the most stupidest idea ever 😂
Interesting take
@@E-x4d1234 how so? Stannis himself said he struggled with the decision and not all of Robert's bannermen joined him in the beginning, I imagine more would abandon him is his own Brother who holds storms end didn't join the rebellion.
@thescotsman2071 he would never abandon his own brother no matter what
@@E-x4d1234 he killed his younger brother through a ritual that required him to cheat on his wife... I love the one true king but he isn't infallible and I could see a timeliness where he sees Robert as a danger to house Baratheon and the resentment he holds comes forward. (Robert sleeping with his wife's sister in their wedding bed on the wedding night for example)
I like to think that Cersei and Jamie are, but not Tyrion.
What if the targaryens never lost their dragons ???????
What if Rhaena Married Aemond?
No.
No
Answer this question. What do queens/high born ladies do when they find themselves pregnant by someone other than their husband? If they can pass them off as the kings child they do. But what if they can't? What do they do with the child? House Dayne has quite a few members with purple eyes. Maybe house Dayne didn't actually have purple eyes. Maybe house Dayne is a repository for Queens bastards. Ashara Dayne has violet eyes (blue and purple)of house Tarharyen, but the dark hair of the Baratheons. Could she be a Targaryen bastard? Tyrion is a chimera, the son of Joanna, and Aerys and Steffan Baratheon. Hence the Golden hair, and silver hair and streaks of black hair. And Tysha is the bastard daughter od Joanna and Steffan. Rhaella didn't care when Joanna was messing around with Aerys because she hated her husband. But when Joanna started sleeping with Steffan Rhaella tossed her out on her rump. And one more thing, Daenerys is called child of 3. Then she is given 3 prophecies. What if that's not what that means.
I don't understand the hate about house Lannister Bro all of house lannisters evil dead is the same thing as the targaryen incest and burning i never understand why the targaryens are the good guys even though they had massacre and burn hundred of people with dragon while the lannisters probably have just killed 20 to 39 apart from taiwan lannister of course
The Lannisters and the Lannister soldiers have killed (at least) thousands of people. When the mad King let Tywin and his army through the gates, they sacked the city!
No one likes the lannisters they are just that bad😂
targs did a lot of good things too, for example uniting westeros, ending 40 years of massacre and slavery in the riverlands, abolishing the first night and also making the kings road, the only bad things about them was the civil wars and the incest, but other then that they were pretty awsome except aerys ii.
It's just Tyrion.
It would be ironic if only Tyrion is actually Tywin only child. Joanna IS Tywin first cousin and Considering that when non Valyrian have incest their descendants actually suffer. That would explain a lot on Tyrion dwarfism, Jaime's and Cersei's beauty, and their children physically being well, even handsome and beautiful too.
God damn my grammar is shii hut you get what I'm tryna say
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