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Can you please compare the battery life of the base 8 core M1 Pro vs the 10 core M1 Pro? (including light usage like web browsing/video calls/TH-cam please)
I love those thorough reviews. As someone who runs it's laptops hard (almost every single one I owned in the past 25 years, including my Apple's one where trash when I was done with them) I might buy the 16 inch in a year or two but the 14 is off the list.
The conclusion points to the 16" being so much more capable, but I think the real conclusion is how capable the 14" is. Let's be real - an M1 air will be sufficient for most. The users that will see an increase in performance of the 16" over the 14" is so very small that the best advice is to put your hands on both and buy what form factor suits your needs - either will handle all you can throw at it. The weight, screen size, portability, and use case is going to outweigh the small performance difference.
Yep, I'm getting the 16" M1 Pro 10/16, but only because I want a 16" screen, and that's the lowest performance M-series they put in that size. There is no way I will ever use the power, and I wouldn't be surprised if the fans never come on for all my use cases. Which, to be fair, is actually pretty sweet. Very much looking forward to this 1st class piece of engineering, well done Apple, it's been a long drought between drinks.
I agree. I was deciding between the two but since the performance is close enough and more than powerful enough for me, I’d rather have the portability and then if I need more power, I’ll get an iMac Pro when they release the Apple Silicon version.
Don't let it bother you. It's obvious the 16" will give a little more with the extra thermal headroom, but you pay for it in weight. None of this is a surprise, be happy with your choice :)
Which one do you have @Manny Ortiz? I have 14” M1 Max 32GB with the 1TB SSD and also like for the portability but watching this test makes me wonder what the M1 Pro version test would be? I agree, I was going back and forth whether to get the 16” or 14” but decided that the 14” is much more portable and at home office I just dock it to my Samsung 34” monitor.
If u use ur laptop as an actual laptop you’ll chose the 14 inch every time. If you use it as a portable desktop then the 16 inch is the way you’ll go. Thermals won’t matter because even in the worst case scenario the 14 inch does not even come close to what we were used to for years with intel
I’m not surprised on the throttling but I’m very happy with my 14” max! I was editing in light room as well as importing video in resolve and the fans never spun up and barely got warm. Such a huge improvement from the 16” intel which would get hotter just from watching Netflix. The 14” is just so much easier to travel around with which I do a lot for work
Every system has their limitations. I think before these devices were even released we knew common sense would be that the 16 inch would have better cooling simply due to its larger chassis for more cooling. The 14 inch is still an incredible machine. I originally ordered a maxed out 14 inch and cancelled it and ordered the base model with the thinking that I would return it if it didn't meet my needs. A week later, so far so good. Love these new Macs!
Exactly, I got the 16" and I absolutely love it. my previous laptop was a 2015 MacBook Pro 13" max out. I do mostly photography using Lightroom and photoshop. The bigger screen alone worth the $200 increase. I can tell you right now that after using the 13" for 6 years, I would never go back. Bigger screen more area to work, I don't have to minimize tool bars anymore and when I am not working movies look better on the bigger screen. I can not understand why people keep using the excuse not to get the 16" because is not as portable as the 14" when it is being transport on a backpack.
@@pwerboost It’s more about use in small spaces rather than carrying it, although the weight is also a consideration for budget airlines or carrying it all day. The 16” still requires quite a large bag - it won’t fit in my camera backpack, or small trekking backpack for instance.
@@johngwheeler I don’t know what kind of small spaces you are talking about that 2” more could be a deal factor. Also one pound heavier is it not day and night. I always do my post editing at the hotel anyways so the size of the laptop is irrelevant on a room desk, specially if it saves me time on my work flow. I traveled a lot even to remote locations in South America and I have never being asked to weight back pack so I don’t know what budget airlines you are referring too that do such things even in a small aircraft. I have an Incase backpack which fits a laptop a body camera and 3 lenses which I consider small bag. I can fit it into any upper bin, even the small planes which only two rows of seats and it also fit under the seat if I need it. I just test it and the 16” fits with a little room to spare. Now I am using peak design backpack which also fits the 16” with not problems, I have other photography bag pack at home so I am going to try just for curiosity but other than my sling bag to go which only fits one lens, a body and a tablet I believe the 16” MacBook Pro should have not fitting issues. I won’t denied that the 14” MacBook is easier to carry than 16” and it is ground breaking that for first time ever that smaller MacBook can be spec out exactly as the bigger MacBook but saying that is such a deal breaker to turn down a larger display, better performance, better thermal, noise and battery life for only $200 more because it is 2” bigger and 1.3lbs heavier it makes little sense.
@@pwerboost True that! I work a lot with Davinci Resolve colour correction. While traveling I work 95 percent at places where I sit at a desktop. So I really appreciate maximum performance and a bigger screen (even with an hooked up external monitor at home).
@@ratijerina I don't think that there will be a side by side comparison in the near future. It seems that they are milking it out for the daily content. I would also appreciate a three to for a 3-4 side comparison.
@@korling99 not the 13 inch though, I personally like the smaller laptop but I started needing better graphics. So the 14 inch is exactly what I was looking for!
This test tells me that if Apple uses the M1 Pro & Max in the large iMac and cranks up the wattage from 30/35 in the Macbook to 65 Watts we might have a true beastly desktop machine. But I'm getting the 16 inch because I'm blind as a bat and the 14 is just too small. The performance difference is negligible but screen size matters to me.
Even with M1 Pro (10/16 Cores), my 14 inch easily reaches 100 Degrees and battery drains fast in that situation. Anyone who consider the max should really go 16.
Now, I finally know whether the 14" M1 MAX would become a frying hot pan or not (apparently not, and for only a small performance sacrifice as well). Thanks for the review Max!
Fully loading 14” does not sound like a wise decision as well since 14” does not support high-power mode when in M1 Max mode and loses battery the fastest among all other M1 lineups.
The 24 core gpu in 14 inch making more sense. And a lot more of a performance penalty then i expected. If 24 core can use same wattage probably little difference to 32 core.
@@leonugraha every reviewer that’s tried high performance mode hasn’t seen a difference between that and normal mode in any tests. On top of that if you are using a max you need the performance and battery life doesn’t matter for the most part. Throw it on low power mode if you need and it will still outperform the pro and have a much better battery life
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu yea but someone getting the m1 max is someone who will need the performance. Better for them to get the 16 inch m1 max if they don't need the portability but if they do and need the power then 24 core m1max 14 makes sense. For myself I am getting m1pro base 14
@@unpacker9521 I got the 32 core GPU M1 Max 14 inch because I wanted it. Would a M1 Pro run all my Dev Needs and Kubernetes stuff? Yeah. But I like to have some headroom for video editing and maybe some gaming when on the road. This machine is supposed to replace my desktop while I am not at home, so I can live with the small hit on performance in niche workloads but I get way better mobility. And yes I had hands on experience with both.
@@MaxTechOfficial You need to chill TF out mate. At least next time, tell people what CORE and RAM you were using on your "comparison". 14" 10/24GB 32GB 2TB is going to last me years for literally EVERYTHING I'll need to do and 95% of most everything anyone else needs to do. Not going to say you're being disingenuous but you clearly avoided telling people the specs in these "MAX" MBP's...
@@rtsstream If you go to the store and actually pick it up you cant notice the weight difference. Idk if thats because of the new design and how the weight is distributed evenly but I couldnt fee a difference
@@arm8636 Its not that big…Remember the screen is measured diagonally not horizontally. It fits in a regular 15 bag, yes its bigger than the 14 but its not a behemoth. Trust me I ordered the 14 and switched when I saw them in store. The difference is neglible
Had many thoughts over the 14" vs the 16". While I didn't expect the difference in performance I'm probably still better off with the 14" due to portability, I can continue to use my TS3+ dock, have a smaller power supply, etc. Currently working on a 15" - in comparison, the 16" is much heavier and the 14" is also a good size compromise for me
Make sure on the 32gb vs. 64gb video you cover resolve. Due to the unified memory acting as vram, I expect a much bigger performance at least in Resolve and After Effects for 64gb. If you use After Effects, use the new beta. It’s very impressive.
Would be nice also to check Logic Pro performance on 64 vs 32 gb. And most of all does 64gb affect battery life badly in idle to low load settings (explaining the battery life complaints as set forward by the Verge)
Great video,thanks.I am truly surprised that there is a slight difference with more throttling on the 14 inch however Between the.14 inch and 16 inch yet they give mostly the same performance.Great content thanks so much,I truly appreciate your work and the amount of videos you have made with these MacBooks are awesome,keep up the amazing work.
been waiting for this 14" max vs 16" max for days, finally! hey Max are you able to also compare other stuff, like gaming on both 14 and 16 max? curious if the performance gap is similar from ~10% to 30% in gaming scenarios (native, rosetta 2 or cross over/parallels). thumb up for your great work! it's shocked to see that Apple's prioritizes temperature over performance: even using TG pro to force 14" fan to run at max, and there's still plenty of room to hit 100 degrees, they choose to throttle, leaving a lot of untapped potential, what a waste in such a pro machine. if power supply is not bottleneck (as shown in video that he tested battery vs power, throttled the same way), if temperature is not bottleneck ( even in forced max fan speed with plenty room of thermal budget), 14" still throttle. I can think of only one explanation: apple chooses comfort over full-tilt performance (they think machine running quieter and cooler more important than absolute max performance for 14").
i also would be interested how big of a difference there is in gaming when used the native resolution, the 16" has better thermals but has to push more pixel with the bigger screen....
My biggest reason for going for the 16" is the end of productivty for a personal laptop. I travel with my ipad pro and the laptop stays home. Having always had portable smaller screens, it's about time I enjoy a larger screen for media and productivity.
Been honestly waiting for tests like these to show how “big” of a difference that size makes on these. Still good job on apple. But amazing job you guys, have down best overall coverage and detail channel out there.
The 16 has pretty good battery life for sure. I think the extra $200 is worth it "only" for people who can handle bigger and heavier machine. Totally love this video.
Do you think the 14 should be enough to run my business excel Microsoft word , emails I might use it also for some gaming and surfing the web at times ?
@@darkbionic1044 If you don't mind with small screen, the previous M1 MacBook Air and 13 inch MacBook Pro are enough and powerful to do just that running all the Microsoft Office flawlessly for many years to come. It also cheaper right now. But if you need more ports, the 14 inch based model should more than capable doing that. You also need to remember that the 14 inch has less battery life than the MacBook Air and 13 inch MacBook Pro, also less than 16 inch.
Another nice comparison video. It's nice to see that the 14" still is a fast and capable laptop, that keeps up with the 16", if you want a smaller size.
A 24 core 14” vs 16” comparison would be a great follow up to this video. I imagine the thermal throttling would be less than the 32 core in the 14” version. At least that’s what I’m hoping to see because I got the 14” 24 core lol
why need to wonder? of course it would work, 8K 120fps, or 4k 144fps! what a dumb question, m1 max macbook are now currently the fastest laptop on the whole universe!!!
Thanks for this comparison video. That 16" screen is gorgeous. I still ordered a 64GB M1 Max in 14". I knew there will be slight difference in performance and I’m ok with it since I needed the portability more.
That’s likely impossible, just judging by this video. Plus it’s the first time ever that the smaller MacBook has the performance potential from the larger one, this is insane already. I’m guessing that the 24-core GPU 14” vs 16” would be almost the same as there’s a bit less power draw, but nevertheless, I think 99.9% of the time the CPU/GPU won’t be running close to that 100C levels that needs to give away 10% of the perf for cooling.
Can you please compare the battery life of the base 8 core M1 Pro vs the 10 core M1 Pro? (including light usage like web browsing/video calls/TH-cam please)
People say that putting these things under extended loads isn’t realistic, but on my fully loaded 2020 iMac, I work with it pinned about 100% for hours at a time. It happens. I hit it as hard as I can, and work as fast as it lets me. (Editing photos and video).
I am super impressed with how well the 14" performed as well as that 16". I think I would choose the 16" for the slightly better thermal benefits. (And also for the larger mini LED screen for watching movies and editing videos) Awesome video, and thank you for the comparisons!!!
So the difference the High Power mode on the 16" makes is it takes advantage of the bigger chassis and cooling system of the 16" compared to the 14" whereas on Automatic mode it limits the 16"s performance to the 14" level (speaking for the M1 Max models of both). That is an interesting choice. Maybe they're trying to create more of the 'illusion' (which to be fair is not really an illusion, I'm using that word for the lack of a better term, they're pretty close in reality too) that the 14" and 16" share the same capabilities, and also let the 16" have longer battery life for when doing intensive tasks, instead of having about equal battery life to the 14" (though, not sure if until the middle of the video when the 16"s battery dipped to ~30% was the 16"s High Power mode open). Just to make it clear for everybody if some people didn't get it, the 16" doesn't have any problem sustaining its maximum performance when on battery, it just defaults to having lower performance on battery so you get more battery life when performing the same intensive tasks you would perform on the 14", with similar performance to the 14" M1 Max. And so both have the same or similar performance when they're both on their default mode (I know the 14" doesn't have High Power mode, but just to emphasize the word 'default') as well.
Awesome video! Definitely smart for apple to protect the machine with a little bit of throttling rather than trying to cram the same exact performance. I still think the 14 inch max would be worth it if I wanted the max chip. I think from your testing there isn’t enough real world performance hits to make it a deal breaker. I’m way more curious about the 24c option. Is that the best value in the max chip configuration!?! If you do get one of those machines please stack it up against the 14 and 16 32c gpu machines please 😁
Any chance you’re going to run some of the same tests and publish results? I ordered the 14” 24 core as well. Really curious if it gets limited in the same way as the 32-edit: not sure if I’ve seen results for the 24 core 16” anyway, so I guess it’d be hard to tell
Even if 14" suffers from thermal throttling or shorter battery life (compared to Air or 16"), I still love 14" due to its compact size and portability. Just adding, 16" can only be fast-charged via MagSafe, but 14" can be fast-charged via MagSafe with 96W, USB-C with 96W, and even Pro Display XDR with Thunderbolt cable connection.
Amazing video, after watched couple of the videos from here then I finally got the 16” M1 pro 16GB memory 1TB model, thanks for all of these amazing tests and made me changed my mind from M1 Max back to M1 pro, I am so happy about this MacBook since no matter pro or max chips both are way more than I needs, also with the 16” body with the M1 pro I am really amazed it’s fans no even turn on at all in most of the time, battery life is ridiculously good, this is the first laptop I am so happy to purchased in past 10 years.
Max you guys are on FIRE!!!! Unlike other TH-camrs who are just pushing out a ton of videos out of desperation with little necessary content (cough cough Luke Miani) Max and his brother go out of their way to do the down and dirty. I truly appreciate you guys. Like I said in other videos I bought my Sony A6300 via Max's link a long while back when he reviewed it. To this day Max never disappoints. Don't worry Max your channel will be at 1 million very soon. You should see the amount of posters putting up links to your videos on MacRumors. Max Tech is the KING!!!
This somewhat contradicts Luke Miani’s video. I’m not at all bothered to trade up to (at the very most) 35% performance in order to get a more portable form factor.
Will installing Mac fans control and maxing out the fans on both machines show any significant differences? Cause the cpu is at 100 degrees and the fans are only halfway to full speed
Thank you. Very informative video. Seems to me the 16", especially with that HDR screen and speakers, is the way to go unless you absolutely need the portability.
Congratulations on a most comprehensive review of the new MacPro and Max computers . I wonder if you plan to test business oriented applications such as Microsoft Office Suite, Adobe and Dropbox. I heard people are expecting problems using Dropbox on the M1 Mac.
that power throttling comes as a real surprise. I think it raises the question whether theres a difference or not on the lower power m1 pro between 14" and 16".
Thank God you clarify at the end!! I ordered (still waiting for it) the 14” max specs (10CPU, 32GPU, 64RAM, 1TB). I’ll be using it for AutoCAD, Parallels for one specific App and probably a few FCPX videos. Almost cry when see the thumbnail.
Meh. I couldn't care less - have my 14" 10/24 32GB 2TB coming in a couple of weeks and I can't wait. These "reviews" are completely A S I N I N E. Like 99% of people who get this spec are going to reach even 30% of the performance capabilities!
@@sharky2126 I also find that these review flexers have no real world relativity knowing what we do - that what they do is 4K max on TH-cam videos. Which ANY of these MBP's will handle with ease. I can't understand why people have gone so crazy over these things. Yes, they;'re expensive but I figure that with our specs, we will have a future-proof machine for at least the next 5 years. I learned that mistake with my other MBP's over the years never to get the base spec, even if it was the cheapest entry point because it was going to age F A S T...
@@mini9503 Read my opening comment. I bought a fantastic spec - smack bang in the middle of the Max band - and am an IT and multi-media professional. I have done a lot more with a lot less and this is somewhat overkill but not when you consider Moore's law. I am good to go for $3200 (Bonus Edu discount FTW) for the next 5 years at least with 3 years of AC+ to boot... which absolutely ZERO videos I have watched over the last month have even mentioned which is an extra $250 on top.
I'm about to press BUY on a new 14 inch - very much need the portability and just can't decide between the 16-core 32 GB Ram M1 Pro and the 24-core 32GB Ram M1 Max: battery Vs performance choice is killing me! ... thoughts? I'll mostly be doing regular 4k multi layer video with effects work in H.264/H265 so those encoders are tempting...
What temperature is your room at? I think it’s relevant information to have when doing these tests for those of us who live in hotter parts of the world. Very insightful review as always
The frequency limitation is so interesting! I’m relieved it doesn’t make much difference in blender, so I can go for the more portable 14’. Thank you so much for doing all these different tests so we know which one is best for us! Also, since we know Apple is tuning frequencies, I think it could be possible they dial it up even more on the desktop iMacs with even more power and cooling. Even though M1Max is smashing most other laptops, I feel like they need to be more powerful to compare with other desktops.
Fantastic review, I had assumed this would be the case just from 30 years of building PCs so I got the 16" but it's very nice to see everything confirmed!
Love all these in depth tests! I saw it here by someone else, but I'd also love to see the numbers from your 14" Max against the 16" Pro. I'd also love to see a 14" battery test when set to low power mode
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Can you please compare the battery life of the base 8 core M1 Pro vs the 10 core M1 Pro? (including light usage like web browsing/video calls/TH-cam please)
Do the 16” 24core, i think you might be surprised!
Can you compare the 24core versions and check if they are thermal throttled too?
I love those thorough reviews. As someone who runs it's laptops hard (almost every single one I owned in the past 25 years, including my Apple's one where trash when I was done with them) I might buy the 16 inch in a year or two but the 14 is off the list.
not everyone wants huge 16inch laptop
The conclusion points to the 16" being so much more capable, but I think the real conclusion is how capable the 14" is. Let's be real - an M1 air will be sufficient for most. The users that will see an increase in performance of the 16" over the 14" is so very small that the best advice is to put your hands on both and buy what form factor suits your needs - either will handle all you can throw at it. The weight, screen size, portability, and use case is going to outweigh the small performance difference.
M1 air is the best thing I’ve ever bought, can’t believe that a computer can be so compact and powerful
@@ruslanagaev7265 Right and you'd be better off trading it in for the M2, M3, etc. in 2-3 years than trying to spec out an M1 max for future proofing.
Yep, I'm getting the 16" M1 Pro 10/16, but only because I want a 16" screen, and that's the lowest performance M-series they put in that size. There is no way I will ever use the power, and I wouldn't be surprised if the fans never come on for all my use cases. Which, to be fair, is actually pretty sweet. Very much looking forward to this 1st class piece of engineering, well done Apple, it's been a long drought between drinks.
Word. The smaller size used to be heavily neutered compared to the larger MBP in years past, now the gap is almost nonexistent. That's pretty sweet.
I've been using a 5k 4GHZ retina imac with 32GB of RAM since 2014, and the 16GB 2020 macbook air is literally kicking its ass as I'm typing this.
Damn you guys are killing it!! The 16inch is tempting but I’m keeping my 14inch for the compact size
I agree. I was deciding between the two but since the performance is close enough and more than powerful enough for me, I’d rather have the portability and then if I need more power, I’ll get an iMac Pro when they release the Apple Silicon version.
Don't let it bother you. It's obvious the 16" will give a little more with the extra thermal headroom, but you pay for it in weight. None of this is a surprise, be happy with your choice :)
Which one do you have @Manny Ortiz? I have 14” M1 Max 32GB with the 1TB SSD and also like for the portability but watching this test makes me wonder what the M1 Pro version test would be? I agree, I was going back and forth whether to get the 16” or 14” but decided that the 14” is much more portable and at home office I just dock it to my Samsung 34” monitor.
Did you get the M1 Max or M1 Pro Manny?
Should consider the 16in. It’s so much easier to photo edit on. Completely changed my work flow.
If u use ur laptop as an actual laptop you’ll chose the 14 inch every time. If you use it as a portable desktop then the 16 inch is the way you’ll go. Thermals won’t matter because even in the worst case scenario the 14 inch does not even come close to what we were used to for years with intel
I’m not surprised on the throttling but I’m very happy with my 14” max! I was editing in light room as well as importing video in resolve and the fans never spun up and barely got warm. Such a huge improvement from the 16” intel which would get hotter just from watching Netflix. The 14” is just so much easier to travel around with which I do a lot for work
Every system has their limitations. I think before these devices were even released we knew common sense would be that the 16 inch would have better cooling simply due to its larger chassis for more cooling. The 14 inch is still an incredible machine. I originally ordered a maxed out 14 inch and cancelled it and ordered the base model with the thinking that I would return it if it didn't meet my needs. A week later, so far so good. Love these new Macs!
@Panndis - what RAM and ssd did you go with?
@@jezzaRTW 16gb and 512.
Yeah, from watching this video, you'd have to be doing very niche tasks, for there to be any noticeable diff between the 14" and 16".
The weight and portability is número uno with 14
Will you test the Max with 24 gpu cores? Especially the 14‘‘ one? That could be the sweet spot at this size.
Best comment, waiting for this vid .
14" 24 core = 87.9fps (45W power limit)
Thanks for these tests! 200 bucks for a bigger 16 inch screen, better perfomance and better battery life seems a no brainer for me.
Exactly, I got the 16" and I absolutely love it. my previous laptop was a 2015 MacBook Pro 13" max out. I do mostly photography using Lightroom and photoshop. The bigger screen alone worth the $200 increase. I can tell you right now that after using the 13" for 6 years, I would never go back. Bigger screen more area to work, I don't have to minimize tool bars anymore and when I am not working movies look better on the bigger screen. I can not understand why people keep using the excuse not to get the 16" because is not as portable as the 14" when it is being transport on a backpack.
@@pwerboost It’s more about use in small spaces rather than carrying it, although the weight is also a consideration for budget airlines or carrying it all day. The 16” still requires quite a large bag - it won’t fit in my camera backpack, or small trekking backpack for instance.
@@johngwheeler I don’t know what kind of small spaces you are talking about that 2” more could be a deal factor. Also one pound heavier is it not day and night. I always do my post editing at the hotel anyways so the size of the laptop is irrelevant on a room desk, specially if it saves me time on my work flow.
I traveled a lot even to remote locations in South America and I have never being asked to weight back pack so I don’t know what budget airlines you are referring too that do such things even in a small aircraft.
I have an Incase backpack which fits a laptop a body camera and 3 lenses which I consider small bag. I can fit it into any upper bin, even the small planes which only two rows of seats and it also fit under the seat if I need it. I just test it and the 16” fits with a little room to spare. Now I am using peak design backpack which also fits the 16” with not problems, I have other photography bag pack at home so I am going to try just for curiosity but other than my sling bag to go which only fits one lens, a body and a tablet I believe the 16” MacBook Pro should have not fitting issues.
I won’t denied that the 14” MacBook is easier to carry than 16” and it is ground breaking that for first time ever that smaller MacBook can be spec out exactly as the bigger MacBook but saying that is such a deal breaker to turn down a larger display, better performance, better thermal, noise and battery life for only $200 more because it is 2” bigger and 1.3lbs heavier it makes little sense.
@@pwerboost working on the plane or train is easier with a 14 inch than a 16 inch, for example
@@pwerboost True that! I work a lot with Davinci Resolve colour correction. While traveling I work 95 percent at places where I sit at a desktop. So I really appreciate maximum performance and a bigger screen (even with an hooked up external monitor at home).
As a 16” 2019 MBP owner, seeing that MagSafe connection being pulled felt so satisfying
Would love a comparison between 14" 24 core vs 14" 32 core. Maybe those 8 extra GPU cores aren't worth the money.
If possible, I would like to see the same tests in this video also with the 16” 24 core vs 32 core.
@@ratijerina I don't think that there will be a side by side comparison in the near future. It seems that they are milking it out for the daily content. I would also appreciate a three to for a 3-4 side comparison.
Luke Miani is the only TH-camr to have done the 24 core review so far but really want to see these guys opinion on it.
Depends how graphics dependent your usage is plus how valuable your time is.
14" 24 core = 87.9fps in wildlife extreme
the 14” should consider the ability to run the M1 Max as a bonus, i mean the old 13” MBP had crap intel graphics for years!
Yes! Very good point :)
My old macbook pro allowed you to select better graphics or not.
@@korling99 not the 13 inch though, I personally like the smaller laptop but I started needing better graphics. So the 14 inch is exactly what I was looking for!
This test tells me that if Apple uses the M1 Pro & Max in the large iMac and cranks up the wattage from 30/35 in the Macbook to 65 Watts we might have a true beastly desktop machine. But I'm getting the 16 inch because I'm blind as a bat and the 14 is just too small. The performance difference is negligible but screen size matters to me.
The battery life on these things is insane. I'm looking at buying something with solid battery life and it's making me consider getting one
The 16" m1 pro is the best battery life. It's not as good on the m1 max
I think the regular M1 chips are even better if you're looking for purely battery life, but if you need the power, then these are insane!
Are both of the MacBooks having the same GPU ? If so what is it ?
@@VoyagerMaldives it’s the 32-core GPU built into the M1 Max
So basically, the 14" is best served with the 24-core option, which is still a beast.
Even with M1 Pro (10/16 Cores), my 14 inch easily reaches 100 Degrees and battery drains fast in that situation. Anyone who consider the max should really go 16.
@@Eric-Wang-Ghost YOu are pretty much the only one saying this? why ?
@@shroominion7529 My conclusion is in-line with many reviews, including this one. The temperature comes from a FCPX export.
@@Eric-Wang-Ghost Do you mind sharing a review?
Man you guys are going nuts with these videos! I’ve never know. More about a MacBook I didn’t own!
Yea… what medication are y’all on lol
I dont understand how max is acting like he is shocked the bigger machine is better in thermal and performance. Its logic why overacting
Now, I finally know whether the 14" M1 MAX would become a frying hot pan or not (apparently not, and for only a small performance sacrifice as well). Thanks for the review Max!
Fully loading 14” does not sound like a wise decision as well since 14” does not support high-power mode when in M1 Max mode and loses battery the fastest among all other M1 lineups.
The 24 core gpu in 14 inch making more sense. And a lot more of a performance penalty then i expected. If 24 core can use same wattage probably little difference to 32 core.
@@leonugraha every reviewer that’s tried high performance mode hasn’t seen a difference between that and normal mode in any tests. On top of that if you are using a max you need the performance and battery life doesn’t matter for the most part. Throw it on low power mode if you need and it will still outperform the pro and have a much better battery life
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu yea but someone getting the m1 max is someone who will need the performance. Better for them to get the 16 inch m1 max if they don't need the portability but if they do and need the power then 24 core m1max 14 makes sense. For myself I am getting m1pro base 14
@@unpacker9521 I got the 32 core GPU M1 Max 14 inch because I wanted it.
Would a M1 Pro run all my Dev Needs and Kubernetes stuff?
Yeah. But I like to have some headroom for video editing and maybe some gaming when on the road.
This machine is supposed to replace my desktop while I am not at home, so I can live with the small hit on performance in niche workloads but I get way better mobility.
And yes I had hands on experience with both.
Great! Are you going to compare the 32 GPU core vs 24 GPU core?
Gonna use this to flex over my friend who got the 14" Max
😂👌👍 sent it to him any everyone lol
@@MaxTechOfficial You need to chill TF out mate. At least next time, tell people what CORE and RAM you were using on your "comparison".
14" 10/24GB 32GB 2TB is going to last me years for literally EVERYTHING I'll need to do and 95% of most everything anyone else needs to do.
Not going to say you're being disingenuous but you clearly avoided telling people the specs in these "MAX" MBP's...
@@zildog I ordered the same spec as you! I also think it's going to last a long time if I take care of it. It's just taking forever to ship haha
@@rtsstream If you go to the store and actually pick it up you cant notice the weight difference. Idk if thats because of the new design and how the weight is distributed evenly but I couldnt fee a difference
@@arm8636 Its not that big…Remember the screen is measured diagonally not horizontally. It fits in a regular 15 bag, yes its bigger than the 14 but its not a behemoth. Trust me I ordered the 14 and switched when I saw them in store. The difference is neglible
Had many thoughts over the 14" vs the 16". While I didn't expect the difference in performance I'm probably still better off with the 14" due to portability, I can continue to use my TS3+ dock, have a smaller power supply, etc. Currently working on a 15" - in comparison, the 16" is much heavier and the 14" is also a good size compromise for me
Well, since the last two weeks I was waiting for your video every day.
Make sure on the 32gb vs. 64gb video you cover resolve. Due to the unified memory acting as vram, I expect a much bigger performance at least in Resolve and After Effects for 64gb. If you use After Effects, use the new beta. It’s very impressive.
Would be nice also to check Logic Pro performance on 64 vs 32 gb. And most of all does 64gb affect battery life badly in idle to low load settings (explaining the battery life complaints as set forward by the Verge)
Wondering, does 64gb really make a significant performance difference than 32gb ram on After effects besides the preview loading?
Do the 16” 24core, i think you might be surprised!
@@samilahhoahoe5125 😁
Great video,thanks.I am truly surprised that there is a slight difference with more throttling on the 14 inch however Between the.14 inch and 16 inch yet they give mostly the same performance.Great content thanks so much,I truly appreciate your work and the amount of videos you have made with these MacBooks are awesome,keep up the amazing work.
would be interesting to see 14" vs 16" pro 16 core and 14" vs 16" m1 max 24 core.
I got 14'' max 24 core and so far I am quite happy with Lightroom and Final Cut Pro
@@allanroom what’s your battery life? does low power mode help much?
Got the 14” so the size would be closer to my iPad. Even with less thermal ability I’m sure it will perform well!
Nice last name!
been waiting for this 14" max vs 16" max for days, finally! hey Max are you able to also compare other stuff, like gaming on both 14 and 16 max? curious if the performance gap is similar from ~10% to 30% in gaming scenarios (native, rosetta 2 or cross over/parallels). thumb up for your great work! it's shocked to see that Apple's prioritizes temperature over performance: even using TG pro to force 14" fan to run at max, and there's still plenty of room to hit 100 degrees, they choose to throttle, leaving a lot of untapped potential, what a waste in such a pro machine. if power supply is not bottleneck (as shown in video that he tested battery vs power, throttled the same way), if temperature is not bottleneck ( even in forced max fan speed with plenty room of thermal budget), 14" still throttle. I can think of only one explanation: apple chooses comfort over full-tilt performance (they think machine running quieter and cooler more important than absolute max performance for 14").
i also would be interested how big of a difference there is in gaming when used the native resolution, the 16" has better thermals but has to push more pixel with the bigger screen....
My biggest reason for going for the 16" is the end of productivty for a personal laptop. I travel with my ipad pro and the laptop stays home. Having always had portable smaller screens, it's about time I enjoy a larger screen for media and productivity.
Man, thank you for all these in-depth tests
The 16" is so tempting but I'm still going to the 14" for compact size 🙂
How did it go? I’m considering buying one 🙃
Waiting for 24c gpu on 14 inch. Hope that will be best of both worlds in performance and battery life
Been honestly waiting for tests like these to show how “big” of a difference that size makes on these. Still good job on apple. But amazing job you guys, have down best overall coverage and detail channel out there.
The 16 has pretty good battery life for sure. I think the extra $200 is worth it "only" for people who can handle bigger and heavier machine.
Totally love this video.
Do you think the 14 should be enough to run my business excel Microsoft word , emails I might use it also for some gaming and surfing the web at times
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@@darkbionic1044 If you don't mind with small screen, the previous M1 MacBook Air and 13 inch MacBook Pro are enough and powerful to do just that running all the Microsoft Office flawlessly for many years to come. It also cheaper right now.
But if you need more ports, the 14 inch based model should more than capable doing that.
You also need to remember that the 14 inch has less battery life than the MacBook Air and 13 inch MacBook Pro, also less than 16 inch.
I think $200 price difference for a $2k is bigger than a $4k machine.
Looks like the 16-inch is a much better value. One should go for the 14-inch only if portability matters a lot to the person.
Exactly!
Another nice comparison video. It's nice to see that the 14" still is a fast and capable laptop, that keeps up with the 16", if you want a smaller size.
A 24 core 14” vs 16” comparison would be a great follow up to this video. I imagine the thermal throttling would be less than the 32 core in the 14” version. At least that’s what I’m hoping to see because I got the 14” 24 core lol
Anyone else wonder if the 14" can handle using OBS to record PS5 video for 8-24 straight hours without losing any frames?
I’d say absolutely, depends on what resolution you’d be recording, if it’s 1080p or lower I’d say absolutely
dude, the 14" is just like 10% slower... its still the fastest laptop you can buy outside of mac land
OBS and streaming on TH-cam lets my battery (14") drain in like two hours.. It's crazy. Any tips?
why need to wonder? of course it would work, 8K 120fps, or 4k 144fps! what a dumb question, m1 max macbook are now currently the fastest laptop on the whole universe!!!
Are you kidding? The MacBook Pro is completely overqualified for that task. Just use an M1 machine like a Mac mini or MacBook Air.
Silver is the best color of this generation so classy and kind of retro I love it!!!
Thanks for this comparison video. That 16" screen is gorgeous. I still ordered a 64GB M1 Max in 14". I knew there will be slight difference in performance and I’m ok with it since I needed the portability more.
and did you get it? how is your battery life?
Ordered the 14 inch last week, so im still waiting. as a programmer the 14 inch m1 pro 1tb ssd is perfect for me.
This video is what I’ve been waiting for🔥
I ordered the 14 inch for the compact size - hope I don’t regret it. Thanks for the awesome testing!
That’s likely impossible, just judging by this video. Plus it’s the first time ever that the smaller MacBook has the performance potential from the larger one, this is insane already.
I’m guessing that the 24-core GPU 14” vs 16” would be almost the same as there’s a bit less power draw, but nevertheless, I think 99.9% of the time the CPU/GPU won’t be running close to that 100C levels that needs to give away 10% of the perf for cooling.
Can you please compare the battery life of the base 8 core M1 Pro vs the 10 core M1 Pro? (including light usage like web browsing/video calls/TH-cam please)
@@samilahhoahoe5125 spread your chlamydia somewhere else
@@FoxSleepinglink pls? i only see m1 pro vs m1 max
People say that putting these things under extended loads isn’t realistic, but on my fully loaded 2020 iMac, I work with it pinned about 100% for hours at a time. It happens. I hit it as hard as I can, and work as fast as it lets me. (Editing photos and video).
I am super impressed with how well the 14" performed as well as that 16". I think I would choose the 16" for the slightly better thermal benefits. (And also for the larger mini LED screen for watching movies and editing videos) Awesome video, and thank you for the comparisons!!!
Great job Max !
Thank you for your and Vadim's hard work !
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You guys undoubtedly make the best macbook videos! 🔥 Keep doing the great work guys , really appreciate it ❤️
So the difference the High Power mode on the 16" makes is it takes advantage of the bigger chassis and cooling system of the 16" compared to the 14" whereas on Automatic mode it limits the 16"s performance to the 14" level (speaking for the M1 Max models of both). That is an interesting choice. Maybe they're trying to create more of the 'illusion' (which to be fair is not really an illusion, I'm using that word for the lack of a better term, they're pretty close in reality too) that the 14" and 16" share the same capabilities, and also let the 16" have longer battery life for when doing intensive tasks, instead of having about equal battery life to the 14" (though, not sure if until the middle of the video when the 16"s battery dipped to ~30% was the 16"s High Power mode open).
Just to make it clear for everybody if some people didn't get it, the 16" doesn't have any problem sustaining its maximum performance when on battery, it just defaults to having lower performance on battery so you get more battery life when performing the same intensive tasks you would perform on the 14", with similar performance to the 14" M1 Max. And so both have the same or similar performance when they're both on their default mode (I know the 14" doesn't have High Power mode, but just to emphasize the word 'default') as well.
Awesome video! Definitely smart for apple to protect the machine with a little bit of throttling rather than trying to cram the same exact performance. I still think the 14 inch max would be worth it if I wanted the max chip. I think from your testing there isn’t enough real world performance hits to make it a deal breaker.
I’m way more curious about the 24c option. Is that the best value in the max chip configuration!?! If you do get one of those machines please stack it up against the 14 and 16 32c gpu machines please 😁
Guys come on guys, you really going through thoroughly with these tests. Kudos!
My 14" Max 24 core gpu arrives today, curious to see how it compares. I figured the 32 core would be too much in the chassis.
Any chance you’re going to run some of the same tests and publish results? I ordered the 14” 24 core as well. Really curious if it gets limited in the same way as the 32-edit: not sure if I’ve seen results for the 24 core 16” anyway, so I guess it’d be hard to tell
@@callmelil I’ll see if I have time tonight
@@callmelil 87.9 fps in wildlife extreme (45W package power) so this is 80% of what the 14" 32core achieves... I think its pretty good
POV: I look at this video while my mac fans are in max
Even if 14" suffers from thermal throttling or shorter battery life (compared to Air or 16"), I still love 14" due to its compact size and portability. Just adding, 16" can only be fast-charged via MagSafe, but 14" can be fast-charged via MagSafe with 96W, USB-C with 96W, and even Pro Display XDR with Thunderbolt cable connection.
so the 14" is best for the m1pro chip..right?
I love my 14" M1 Max with the 24 Core GPU. No issues at all. 👍💪
I wonder if 24 will be the sweet spot for the 16 inch…
@@jonathanjanzen8501 I think it definitely is for the 14" models. Those who have issues with the 14" must have the 32 core.
I’m sticking to my regular m1 MacBook Air, it already crushed all the competing Ultrabooks in the same category by a mile.
waiting for the comparison of 16 inch m1 max (24 core vs 32 core)
Too late. Bought the 14 inch M1pro and love it so far
Amazing video, after watched couple of the videos from here then I finally got the 16” M1 pro 16GB memory 1TB model, thanks for all of these amazing tests and made me changed my mind from M1 Max back to M1 pro, I am so happy about this MacBook since no matter pro or max chips both are way more than I needs, also with the 16” body with the M1 pro I am really amazed it’s fans no even turn on at all in most of the time, battery life is ridiculously good, this is the first laptop I am so happy to purchased in past 10 years.
Finally!! I've been waiting for this review for 2 weeks now!
24 Core vs 32 core next please
Max you guys are on FIRE!!!! Unlike other TH-camrs who are just pushing out a ton of videos out of desperation with little necessary content (cough cough Luke Miani) Max and his brother go out of their way to do the down and dirty. I truly appreciate you guys. Like I said in other videos I bought my Sony A6300 via Max's link a long while back when he reviewed it. To this day Max never disappoints. Don't worry Max your channel will be at 1 million very soon. You should see the amount of posters putting up links to your videos on MacRumors. Max Tech is the KING!!!
I think this guy spend all his youtube revenue for buy these beasts... ♥️
he’s gonna return most of them
@@teachingwithipad his credit card company will be like: ahhh sht, here we go again 🤦♂️
Fantastic bunch of videos you all created. Your tear downs gave indication of these results. Keep them coming.
This somewhat contradicts Luke Miani’s video. I’m not at all bothered to trade up to (at the very most) 35% performance in order to get a more portable form factor.
Will installing Mac fans control and maxing out the fans on both machines show any significant differences? Cause the cpu is at 100 degrees and the fans are only halfway to full speed
Thank you. Very informative video. Seems to me the 16", especially with that HDR screen and speakers, is the way to go unless you absolutely need the portability.
14” M1 Pro 10/16 is a sweet spot for me
Congratulations on a most comprehensive review of the new MacPro and Max computers . I wonder if you plan to test business oriented applications such as Microsoft Office Suite, Adobe and Dropbox. I heard people are expecting problems using Dropbox on the M1 Mac.
I have been using Dropbox on 2 different M1 machines for about a year and haven’t had any issues.
Dropbox? How is that a demanding app? Makes no sense and it would not be reproducible, because of outside factors, like how much their cloud is used.
that power throttling comes as a real surprise. I think it raises the question whether theres a difference or not on the lower power m1 pro between 14" and 16".
Nope there isn’t.
When facebook gonna solve his problem
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Facebook is choosing money over peoples safety
Thank God you clarify at the end!! I ordered (still waiting for it) the 14” max specs (10CPU, 32GPU, 64RAM, 1TB). I’ll be using it for AutoCAD, Parallels for one specific App and probably a few FCPX videos. Almost cry when see the thumbnail.
Meh. I couldn't care less - have my 14" 10/24 32GB 2TB coming in a couple of weeks and I can't wait.
These "reviews" are completely A S I N I N E. Like 99% of people who get this spec are going to reach even 30% of the performance capabilities!
One other thing... what were the cores / RAM in these MBP's?? He didn't even say...?? Like M1 Max W H A T???
@@sharky2126 I also find that these review flexers have no real world relativity knowing what we do - that what they do is 4K max on TH-cam videos. Which ANY of these MBP's will handle with ease. I can't understand why people have gone so crazy over these things. Yes, they;'re expensive but I figure that with our specs, we will have a future-proof machine for at least the next 5 years.
I learned that mistake with my other MBP's over the years never to get the base spec, even if it was the cheapest entry point because it was going to age F A S T...
@@mini9503 Read my opening comment. I bought a fantastic spec - smack bang in the middle of the Max band - and am an IT and multi-media professional. I have done a lot more with a lot less and this is somewhat overkill but not when you consider Moore's law. I am good to go for $3200 (Bonus Edu discount FTW) for the next 5 years at least with 3 years of AC+ to boot... which absolutely ZERO videos I have watched over the last month have even mentioned which is an extra $250 on top.
@@sharky2126 how much storage did u go with?
I'm about to press BUY on a new 14 inch - very much need the portability and just can't decide between the 16-core 32 GB Ram M1 Pro and the 24-core 32GB Ram M1 Max: battery Vs performance choice is killing me! ... thoughts? I'll mostly be doing regular 4k multi layer video with effects work in H.264/H265 so those encoders are tempting...
Go for M1 Max.
@@MaxTechOfficial Thanks for the swift reply! Great...but why?
What temperature is your room at? I think it’s relevant information to have when doing these tests for those of us who live in hotter parts of the world. Very insightful review as always
About 72F or 22C
Thank you
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Is there a way to override the throttling for 14"?
What tool was used to measure cpu frequency? It looks like a GUI for powermetrics. How do I start that?
I would also like to know how to get this UI for powermetrics.
@@alexanderkiel9018 Found it: asitop - perf monitoring CLI tool for Apple Silicon
Had to go with the 14 inch due to frequent traveling. Still good to know the throttling isn’t that bad.
Same, I’m a student do the mobility is of huge importance
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Can you show the screen in direct sunlight? Maybe even do a battery test at 100% brightness. That would be so lovely!
When is the M1 Max 16'' 32gb vs 64gb coming? Nobody has made a comprehensive test. Please also make tests with longer renders.
@@FoxSleeping Where?
Max awesome numbers, but you should place both macs apart to allow fresh air flow into fans
that is exactly what I was waiting for. GREAT JOB Max Tech, this is awesome
The frequency limitation is so interesting! I’m relieved it doesn’t make much difference in blender, so I can go for the more portable 14’. Thank you so much for doing all these different tests so we know which one is best for us! Also, since we know Apple is tuning frequencies, I think it could be possible they dial it up even more on the desktop iMacs with even more power and cooling. Even though M1Max is smashing most other laptops, I feel like they need to be more powerful to compare with other desktops.
I miss the days when TH-cam had less commercials.
This is insane, but I still prefer the 14" and going for it.
Macbooks are one thing I can never imagine swapping with any other system unlike iphone or ipad
Just loving this series guys!! Battle of the M1 Pro Max 😮
Max Tech is the best channel I've ever seen
Awesome! Could you compare the 14 inch M1 Pro and M1 Max?
Your M1 Reviews are amazing.
How much RAM the 16” and 14” has?
I pray you guys hit the Million Mark by the end of the year. I truly love your channel and enjoy the content. My new favorite Tech resource.
In other words, if you really need a Max chip get the 16" since it was designed to handle it.
Fantastic review, I had assumed this would be the case just from 30 years of building PCs so I got the 16" but it's very nice to see everything confirmed!
I used to go with the 16inch, but now the perfect model for me is the 14inch
It's amazing how powerful these machine are.
Love all these in depth tests! I saw it here by someone else, but I'd also love to see the numbers from your 14" Max against the 16" Pro. I'd also love to see a 14" battery test when set to low power mode
I'm glad you took the time to test this in such detail
This M1 Max 14" is the dream machine. Better display than the Pro XDR and more power than the Mac Pro on a very PORTABLE package. AMAZING.
thanks for your great finding!!! how about 14" vs 16" with both M1 pro chips? are you going to make another awesome video to test that?