DNA Testing My Barn Cats (WEIRD BREEDS)
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I love that you appreciate how impatient your fan group is. I was not going to want to wait 2 weeks
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@@titanicgirl774 🍶
I PROBABLY WOULD’VE JUST FORGOTTEN TBH
I wait long enough for the next video... wouldn't have enjoyed the wait for the results. Thanks for that! 👍
Scottish fold showing up makes sense; the fold in the ears is caused by a genetic mutation that affects their cartilage, and crossing a fold with a fold can cause significant health issues (that can be very painful). Ethical breeders will usually cross a fold with a straight-eared cat like the British short hair, so you can get kittens that don't exhibit the fold. They then go off to homes in all their straight-eared glory and can wind up mixing in with the common muttfolk!
Yeah it’s crazy to me how much some people only want purebreds. I’m not aware of any (cat or dog) are generally healthier than a mixed breed. Except maybe the domestic shorthair but that’s because they’re already basically a mutt. I’d never search out a purebred unless it was a rescue situation pretty unethical
Yep - it's called Osteochondrodysplasia. I had a cat we named "Kitteh" with it. She lived to the ripe old age of 10 and looked a bit like an earless gremlin. She was the sweetest baby in the world though.
Sphinx, munchkins, and a lot of the younger recognized breeds are the result of natural genetic mutations, so it’s not surprising those would show up in genetic results. Genetics at the level we have now is so young that the tests aren’t super reliable for breeds, but knowing the genetic predispositions towards certain diseases is super valuable information!
@BlancBaily you misunderstood. Genetic testing is helpful. That doesn’t mean you have to buy a purebred. You can do genetic health testing on any cat and get helpful information.
@BlancBaily You should still be genetic testing your adopted cats buddy.
It's common for cats that come from a feral or 'mutt' background to be brown tabbies like these guys.
Though, funny enough, we had a whole clowder of orange tabbies that came from a barn on our street. The males were all this handsome ginger color.
Also, funny thing, siblings in cats can have *different fathers* in the same litter.
If the female has been around the block, her kits could all have different dads.
We had a dog go into heat and get loose when I was a child. She was an all white except for a patch of black on one ear huskey/Alaskan malamute mix.
When she had her puppies there were 13 of the oddest selection of dog breeds ever.
Several had beagel markings, a couple were obviously the one neighbors big giant floof of a sheep dog, a couple were all white like her and a few looked like the other neighbors Doberman.
Only one looked like the 3rd neighbors German Shepard.
But they were all very healthy and went to good homes and she visited the vet right after lol. She was a very good dog and it was just hilarious that she visited every dog in the neighborhood 🤣
We had a momma cat who was tortoise shell. I for sure know one of her “male friends” was a big Ginger. She ended up with a litter of four: one totally gray short hair, a male; one ginger, a female; one calico, a female; and one long haired peach and white female. Mom got around! Haha
Interestingly enough, orange is actually a dominant hair colour in cats. It even precedes black. I just found that out yesterday.
Oh yes, how right you are! A litter of kittens was born in our complex. We had just lost our 15-year-old cat and weren't getting another. We had two dogs at the time. One of the little girls wanted to show me the litter of kittens before they were all gone. Her mom had set one of them aside, as she had someone that might be interested in this particular kitty. I went over to their home, and there were a couple of little kitties with their mom. I played with them for a while, but certainly not interested in adopting. Outcomes their mom, who was a very sweet, young woman who knew I LOVED animals and the death of Sadie hit me hard. In her arms was the most beautiful kitten I've ever seen. Pure white, with a dark nose and dark markings on all the places Siamese have their marks. They were Chocolate, and her fur was not short, but like a Himalayan. They had no idea where this beautiful little kitten came from but there were two of them in the litter. Well, she let me have her! She knew the kitty would be so well taken care of and loved, and only live indoors. I knew exactly where this Siamese came from. There was a huge Siamese across the street, he would sit on the lawn like he owned the land as far as one could see! I know that was the culprit that mated with the female, thus, two different litters in one! LOL, I was nervous as to what my Scottish boyfriend would say when he got home. He took one look at her and fell in love!!! Sable lived to be 22 years old. Sorry for the long story, but your comment brought back fond memories of years gone by!
@@nancybernard3117 How many of our "favourite cat" stories begin with
"I was *absolutely* NOT looking to get a cat"? LOL
I was even at a point 6 years ago where I was saying "OK, I'm done. No more cats". Then Kidlet came home with "I know you said no more, but ... " and thus Calypso became part of our family.
But that's it. I'm finished. No more cats. I'm too old now and probably would not outlive any more and I'd hate for them to be uprooted upon my demise.
Time to get a genetic testing on the cows, the geese, the quaken and the chickens. I´m looking forward to seeing you swab the cows LOL
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the cattle would be interesting, to see how much Scotland Highlander is in them. Maybe test only the calves for now?
there's no tests available to the public, but it'd be cool to assess the geese genetics, to find how mixed are they with swan goose and wild greylag.
@@polespinosa4858 Is there an educational or scientific institution that might be able to determine this? It might be a step forward in gathering info for the avian flu. What species are immune or can fight it better than others.
@@Sarafimm2 I really don't know, I'm just a genetics enthusiast that reads others's research.
Maybe the USDA or top agro/vet/environmental universities such as Wageningen university which comes to my mind as having done lots of stuff on domestic animal phylogenetics.
But for the flue thing, maybe something like genome wide association studies on H3N8 resistance (not only of geese but other species)
Much like disease predisposition is done on domestic animals like dogs and cats, it might provide useful data for developing vaccines or breed resistance similar to what it's being done for scrapie in sheep or other viruses in crops.
Last winter my boyfriend took a DNA test of my cat using wisdom panel as well, and part of my Christmas present were the results. Because of how she came into our home (appeared one day in our egress window as an approximately 6 week old kitten), we were always a little curious about her origins. He was convinced she had a lot of Bombay in her, as a black cat with black whiskers is mostly common in that breed. No Bombay, but a surprising amount of sphynx (21%) for how fluffy she is (which probably comes from the 16% Norwegian forest cat). The health screening was where we saw the interesting results that she is thankfully recessive in all 4 that popped up, but still interesting to know.
Dude, when I saw the Norwegian forest cat mixes in his cats, I mixed them up with the Scottish Wildcat, and when I realized, I was a little sad lol but- I would 100% check those out too, like- I LOVE Scottish Wildcats, THOSE THINGS ARE SO FRICKIN’ COOL MAN!! They’re absolutely GORGEOUS animals too! Sucks how little there are left of them in the wild though- fun fact! They’re notorious for being feral/wild and near impossible to keep as pets- They’re very interesting animals :)
Way back in the day, when genetic testing was first becoming available , The ISCA refused to endorse the breed testing. The big wigs had already admitted in an old yahoo forum that certain "other breed" genetics had been slipped into the mix and why. They also know who the major culprits are.
Sphynx cat hairlessness is due to a single recessive gene mutation, so any kitten that doesn't inherit two copies will be fully fluffy. :)
Sphynx cats sometimes have fluffy kittens. The hairlessness is a recessive trait.
For the health risks that are recessive, i would recommend not breeding her if youre thankful they were negative. Not sure what the genes were but if she were to get down and dirty with a male, he could potentially carry the recessive gene also, passing it down to some of the kittens. If she is fixed, disregard my comment entirely 😂. Its just a breeding thing you always have to keep in mind when breeding any kind of animal.
They're just referred to as Domestic Short Hair. Which means they are various mixes of everything! I have two DSH's and they are wonderful healthy cats! 💖
Sort of. Domestic Shorthair means "this cat has no specific breed ancestry". Like how a raccoon isn't any specific breed, it's just "raccoon". Most cats have no specific breed ancestry at all, unlike dogs.
It is very interesting how cats can have different breeds but all be about the same size . There are some breeds that are completely wild and look like house cats.
@@SR-ck8gu Actually the original poster is right on this one and what you said ... I have no clue where you're going with that strange obviously false claim or why you're basically leaving a disinforming comment and claiming that the real defintion is "sort of" right and wrong and this is even reflected in cats' documentations as well where in their passports or health booklet it is mentioned DSH and then 'mix'. Otherwise cats do ALL have defined breeds (can't even be other than that) and all of them DUH have to be coming from some specific breeds which in DSH and DLH means the breeds are so mixed that it's not that accurate to identify them as just one breed and hence why the terms were coined to mean these kitties got more than a few cat breeds in their blood. And both cats and dogs go back to their SPECIFIC wild ANCESTORIES, depending on the species that they derived from. Genes don't appear out of thin air. They all come from SPECIFIC SOURCES. Basic science.
@@tobe3940 You've got some things twisted around, but I suppose I wasn't very clear, so let me explain. No need to be hostile.
Dogs originate from one, possibly more species of wild animal. We'll call them proto-dogs, for lack of a better term. As proto-dogs were domesticated and turned into dogs, people began to breed them into different shapes. Hunting dogs, sighthounds, rat-catching dogs, that sort of thing. So the dog family tree grew a whole bunch of branches, going out in all directions. When you get a mutt dog now, you're seeing the result of multiple branches intersecting, multiple different specific dog breeds crossing with each other.
With cats, it's a little different. To simplify things, we'll disregard the Norwegian forest cats and whatnot that come from elsewhere, and just take the cats descended from African wildcats. For a long time, cats were just "cat"; nobody bred for anything specific, except the ability to murder mice. Eventually, we did get some specific cat breeds, but those are a small little branch forking off into a few twigs. The vast, vast majority of housecats aren't related to that branch at all; they're just "cat". They don't have any purebred animals in their ancestry, no deliberately selected strains. Again, like raccoons. We don't say a raccoon is a mixed breed, we say "that's a raccoon". If somebody were to domesticate raccoons and develop a special white-furred longhair breed, most raccoons would still be raccoons, there'd just be the fancy breed also in existence.
"Domestic Shorthair" having "mix" after it is probably to clarify what DSH means, to people not in the know. Yes, there may be a purebred cat somewhere in a DSH's ancestry, but it's generally pretty uncommon. Purebred cats just don't mix into randombred populations enough. DSH and DLH means "it's a cat, it's not any specific breed, it's just a cat". Neither one is really a specific /breed/, per se, as they haven't been specifically selected for. They're kinda like the catch-all "it's not anything else" category, and we call them breeds for lack of a better term.
If I go and get a random dog right now, there's a good chance that dog will be, if not purebred, a combination of breeds. Maybe part Lab, part boxer, part poodle, that sort of thing. If I go get a random cat, the chances of it having anything other than randombred domestic somethinghair in its lineage is pretty low. It's certainly not going to be a mix of half a dozen different things, like dogs can be. You just don't get these "oh, he's half X, one-fourth Y, one-eighth Z and one-eighth A" combinations in cats with any regularity, unlike with dogs.
@@SR-ck8gu what exactly do you mean? Like does “American domestic” mean like an unknown mix of American breeds like a rag doll Bengal or American shorthair? Like it’s not a pure read but it’s ancestry is that of American cats
Cats have only been bred like how we do now more selectively for about a hundred years. Most breeds are just cats from a certain region that look alike because that's how it works. Most designer cat breeds (like hairless cats or Scottish folds) are even younger than that and actually only like 20-50 years old. So cat genetics are still very much homogenous and it can be difficult to distinguish between one or the other because they've only been bred separately for like 5-10 generations. Cats are one of the more recent domestication experiments humans have started. The majority of cats that you find as strays or in shelters are just what's called 'moggies', the equivalent of cat mutts, and are a mixture of many different cat lineages that happened kind of semi naturally, definitely not planned by humans but still influenced by us
... Aren't Norvegian Forest Cat wild cats? Like, if one thing must stand out it's probably a wild European cat specie in an American cat XD
This, basically. I try to explain this to people who always flood anything with a cat in it with "what breed is it????"
The answer is, like 90% of the time, simply "cat."
Breeds aren't super defined as of yet. There simply hasn't been enough time to develop like dog breeds. Like 90% of the cats in the world are just hodgepodges of other random cats with no distinctive lineage or history. Genetic traits are still being discovered, and selective breeding has barely begun. Honestly I'd akin them more akin to snake morphs atm than distinct breeds.
It's especially annoying when people go "but the random feral I grabbed off the streets is large and has stripes. It must be a purebred Maine Coon!!!!!"
No, it's very probably not. It's like saying "that person has black hair, they must be Asian!" It just means someone in the lineage had black hair- or in the cat's case, was maybe a bit larger than average.
@@howling_starr Also annoying are people who get a color point kitten from a shelter and call it a Siamese. Siamese have a color point gene but not every cat with the gene is a Siamese. They are domestic short hairs (which is not a breed but a pseudo breed) with a color point gene. Not unusual for backyard breeders to sell DSHs with the color point gene as a Siamese. They give the new owner papers from a fake registry and charge $800 for the kitten you must then then spend another $250 on at the vet. Better to get the cat from a shelter and so much cheaper. No tail? Must be a Manx.
@@cookie856 Yes Norwegian forest cats are a wild breed. However due to their small size, ability to withstand a large range of temperatures & how easily they can be tamed a large majority of domesticated cats all around the world will have it show up in their genetics. As it along with just a few other smaller wild cat breeds were among the first to be domesticated. So it’s not as strange as you think to see that breed in an American cat. Especially since there isn’t any wild cat breeds that small here in America. I think the smallest wild cat species we have here in the US would be a subspecies of bobcat…which is still much larger than domestic cats & are very difficult to tame. The vast majority of wild breeds which domestic cats come from are found in Europe.
@@howling_starr This. My own cat is blue-grey and looks silvery in the sunlight. He has blue-green eyes. He is chatty and plays fetch.
My husband and kid insist that he’s a “full-blood Russian blue”.
He was found half starving at 4-weeks-old under a truck, covered in fleas, and clearly had lost his siblings and mom, in a neighborhood with a LOT of stray cats.
He’s a beautiful, intelligent, sassy cat and I love him, but I really don’t think a purebred Russian blue was wandering around pregnant in a lower income neighborhood in a town where the nearest known Russian blue breeder is 3 hours away. Oh, and the supposed Russian blue mom and kittens (besides mine) were never brought in to the cat shelter or turned up on any lost pet Facebook groups.
Seems far more likely that he’s just an American shorthair that has genes for black fur and a gene for dilution, making him grey. Wouldn’t be surprised if he had a dilute-tortie sister or two or if his mom was either a dilute-tortie or buff (dilute-orange).
Honestly, if these dna tests could break down their color genes (what genes for color, dilution, and masking they show, which ones they carry but don’t show, etc, maybe guesses on what colors each parent could be) I’d be far more interested in getting them. I find the color genes far more interesting than the dodgy science of cat breeds.
Try a different genetic panel like Basepaws on Molly and Ginny only. They use different methodologies and it would be interesting to see the difference in results across companies with a known mother daughter pair as well. Like I know Basepaws is based on the known animals who have already completed the test so my results for one of my cats keeps changing all the time but Wisdom Panel that you did does their based on breed specific reference populations since it's more geared toward people looking to breed their cats.
A kitten could be "accepted" and allowed to nurse in a feral situation, couldn't they?
you mean they use a different random number generator to create those profiles out of thin air :)
Because that's what most of those "DNA companies" do, especially with animals that aren't known to have pedigrees (and for those, you'd not get such a profile made by one of those companies, the pedigree organisation goes to a qualified lab for it instead).
@@jwenting BasePaws does entire genome sequencing. BasePaws is the only DNA test which currently does. They are actually very interested in feline research and science. Look up the information you are spreading, and make sure it is accurate. :|
@@jwenting Finally someone with some common sense. I've done dna testing - ancestry, familytree, 23&me - for fun for years. I saw for fun as we've known the ancestry for years quite well going generations back. Acceding to 23&me my mother is 100% British/Irish. Virtually impossible as her father's family is southern german.
That's a good idea Emily! Before today, I didn't know they had genetic tests for cats, but I do know they have them for dogs. I may have to get my cat tested!
Hi! so interesting! Though just wanted to point out, that if they say "domestic shorthair" (whether that be American, European etc.) it means that it's a "mutt". "Domestic short hair/long hair" isn't a breed in itself; it's like a feline version of the word mutt. hahah
What is important to remember in DNA tests and breeds, is thatbis is all about a collection of traits and patterns.
Doesn't necessarily means that there was an actual Sphynx on Pablo's ancestry.
It just means that whatever trait that was favored in the current Sphynx, is common in many cats, but more pin-pointed in that specific breed (which could also mean the genetic traits, health issues, etc).
Sphynx hairlessness is caused by a recessive gene, which is lost in one generation. Both parents need a copy of the gene to get a hairless kitten. It can be passed down and could one day resurface if another cat who also carries the gene is mated with him. I had a cream male Persian whose mom was a tortiepoint Himalayan, so he carried the gene for colorpoint. He was known as a CPC (colorpoint carrier). He was neutered as a 7 month old kitten, so I wasn't able to prove him out. (Jan Griffiths).
It would have also been interesting to see what the result of 4 different tests of the same cat would have revealed. Just to see how (in)accurate these tests are.
Considering the time involved in cat breeds being a thing and dog breeds being thousands of years longer I can see how you may come to your conclusion.
Cat DNA tests aren't regulated either. The medical checks are the best part at this time, imo
First of all, I believe all four cats are happy to live on Goldshaw farm. Second: It’s interesting to see these genetic results, but I would take those with “a grain of salt”. These companies speak to you with authority to make you believe “it’s scientific” and right down to the nooks and crannies, but their is a lot of “grey area” in the test results, but that’s not what they tell you. It’s a big business nowadays, and they will hide the “probably”, “likely”, “maybe”, “it looks like” from you.
I'm pretty sure the saying is "with a grain of salt". The meaning is still there though, I just wanted to let you know. Keep using your version if you want to though, its not like it actually matters, I'm just being pedantic. (I'm going to be so embarrassed if it was an autocorrect issue)
@ink blood I also only know the phase „with a grain of salt“. Funny.
I thought you knew the correct idiom but I thought you were being sarcastic. A gram is huge and where this technology is, one should not believe all that it says. I thought it appropriate to exaggerate, but autocorrect does so so much.
Anyway TY for the laugh.
"Grain of Salt" "Nooks & Crannies" your comment was a brain twister but an entertaining one. 😂🤗
Those kits say, more or less, what breeds the cat is genetically most /like/. They don't actually show the cat's ancestry, because 99% of the time, a cat with unknown breed ancestry is just a cat. Unlike with dogs, which often have purebred ancestry somewhere, cats are usually just cats. Like how a raccoon isn't going to have specific breeds of raccoon in its ancestry, it's just a raccoon. Cat breeds are largely much more recent, and make up a much smaller percentage of the population, than dog breeds.
Coming from being a big fan of cats: I think one of the biggest shows for breeds like maine coons and Norwegian forest cats are the really big paws which was an adaptation to help them walk on snow.
Don't forget those long, dense tufts of fur between the toes making the snow show larger. I have a Nowegian Forest Cat X and he's just one huge fluff ball with big floofy feet 😍
(That looks down his nose at me all day 😅)
@@arielle773 My husky has those tufts of fur between his toes too! My cat has huge feet but not huge tufts of fur in his feet so doubt he's Norwegian Forest Cat at all.
Siberian too
That and the longer guard hairs running down the shoulders back, and fluffy butt and tail, but with short face and foreleg fur, where as Persians and Persian mixes like British long hair are full body puff balls.
Our boy Maru is small for a Main Coon but has the primary defining traits as well. They also have claws like fish hooks.
@@TheWBWoman He could be some mix.
An old job of mine had these beautiful jet Black with a tint of purple cats with Brite yellow eyes. They have lived on the property for over 40 years untouched. The owners had them taken care of and saw the vet all the time. They did DNA test and found that they were a rare breed of Russian Sable untouched for over 60 years. A few lucky employees got to adopt a few kittens but they had to be fixed so the blood line would be pure
they had to be fixed so the blood would be pure?? sounds crqzy to me wthey just want a monopoly on a damn breed
@@animeloveer97 they fixed most of them and left some to continue the breed
Wish you knew the native name of them, because (Russian) sable is a mammal in the weasel family. Still looking around.
@@animeloveer97 they didn't want an over population at the factory and the cat's that were given away were neutered
I believe the family tree part is just meant to represent what your cats lineage could be based on their genetic percentages, just meant to give you an idea of how it works.
Seriously, all these DNA tests should be labeled, "For Entertainment Purposes Only".
Except for the health panel, those results are actually useful. But everything else is indeed just entertainment.
Ya, with dogs, you breed them for specific jobs, and they are really good at that job.
Cats... well, they have always been good mouse hunters, cuddle things and far too willful to be commanded to do other jobs, so we never really bred them too crazily. Hence why ya got mutt cats and purebred pedigree dogs.
Pedigrreed/purebred cats also exist. I used to raise Sphynx. (Jan Griffiths).
The most important thing with the cat tests is definitely the health markers. I'm glad they don't have any increased risk for things!
One of the interesting things about Cat Breeds is that because they're relatively recent (compared to dogs) They aren't as firmly established in the genetic codes of the cats. Additionally, a lot of strays/cats descended from ferals out there have never had a breed lineage, so the genetics are sort of "Closest match" 😄
Also, Norwegian Forest Cats, Maine Coons, and Siberians are all pretty closely related (they've all got a lot of bulk and muscle to them, and a double coat to help keep them warm) So I wouldn't be surprised if the natural genetic variations within one breed would get false positives for another.
Love all your cats, they're so cute AND murderous!
Kitties are just doing their job. Yep, they are cute. (Jan Griffiths).
I appreciate how you appreciate and care for your barn cats. So many people do not provide food, water, shelter nor warmth. It literally makes me cry. 😢 They provide services for the farm the farm should provide for them.
In my state (AZ), farm/barn cats need to be altered, have shelter, food and water, and vet care. It is a law punishable by a $2000 fine. (Jan Griffiths).
@@douglasgriffiths3534 That's great to hear! 🙂👍
Those genetic cat tests are more like a gimmick than really scientific for people who want to put some royalty on their normal looking cats. There are no "breed" genes in cats. There are clusters that are similar but when considered that all cat breeds developed out of shorthaired tabby cats then it's quite obvious. Breed names are made up categories made by humans. Especially around 1900s cats from the same families where used to build up different breeds. Therefore have the same origin. Your cats are 100% adorable tho. :)
(Source: I did teach cat generics to breeders a few years ago)
I love that you care so much about the health and wellbeing of your animals. Also am very glad that all is well with them.
About 5 years ago a randy Scottish Fold went prowling... LOL Hey, this was really fun, thx!
If you were thinking about the possibility of breeding Abby and Toby you probably should also get her tested. I mean we know they both came from good breeding stock, but it might help give some clues about any possible complications of mixing their genetics.
They're cats. If they breed there will be no complications because they're CATS. Cats have been through way too much for you to be worried about mixing up two mutt cats genetics
@@sebastiantails1937 Abby and Toby are the dogs. (Jan Griffiths).
@@sebastiantails1937 And the cats have been sterilized if I'm not mistaken. (Jan Griffiths).
Now it's Abby's turn!!! We need to see it
Morgan just wanted to know: “He’s Not the Father” of any of those Cats.
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I'm so happy they're all healthy omg. Sweet baby kitties never deserve any health issues.
Yes, as a pet owner, I find having information about genetic markers for my pets, both canine and feline, important so I'm am able to know what look for in advance in order to keep them healthy. I can use that knowledge to provide better care of them. Thanx for keeping everyone informed of the positives and the negatives.
My tabby Lily makes those same squeaky noises that Lil makes! 🤣
They are all so adorable glad they are all clear with their genetic and healthy
It's the approaching them like "I'd like to discuss your cars extended warranty" for me 😂 😂 😂
good thing you took the test! now you can confidently start breeding your cats, knowing they have no genetic surprises.. oh wait
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His cats are fixed, I believe. No breeding there. (Jan Griffiths).
Interesting and cool to watch. I have two cats and when people ask what kind I have I tell them one is orange and white and the other is grey with stripes and they both match the flooring in two of the rooms in my house, lol. Thanks for sharing!
Can’t express how much I love you for not letting us wait 😘🤣😂👍
very interesting 😄 reason why ginny's family tree looked wrong is that the tree is what the family tree MAY look like and is more like the simplest path to the correct percentages for breeds the cat exhibits than correct information where she would have inherited anything😺
Did you know that a litter of kittens born all at the same time can each have a completely different dad
Yep! It's really interesting how the mother can store sperm from different fathers. 🤔
I want to see you chasing after a goose with a swab.
'American Domestic Cat' isn't a breed, though - it's just the feline equivalent of a 'mega-mutt.' A mix with such small percentages of individual breeds that it's not worth mentioning them.
If it’s anything like human DNA tests, it’s likely closer to “clearly from this general population, but there’s nothing unique enough to pinpoint it any further.”
For example, my 23 and Me test has a few bits like “Broadly Eastern European” or “Broadly Northwest European,” alongside “X amount Lithuanian” and “Y amount British Isles.”
The latter had specific genetic markers that popped up, while the former had less unique markers that could be traced back to a particular region, but not any further than that because those markers are shared by several different populations within that region, not just one particular section of it.
There are purebred American Shorthairs. I have one. A silver Classic Tabby. Has a five generation pedigree too, and has been shown to Grand Champion, then retired. (Jan Griffiths).
I find the way Morgan says "kih'ens" adorable and hilarious.
Interesting......that's Morgan. Our happy scientist.....lol. Never a dull video with you, sir. Thanks!!
When asked about my barn cat's breeds, my answer is simple. Mutt. 😅
Hi just watched the DNA results. One thing I want to point out is that they can determine what DNA markers come from maternal vs. paternal lines. That is how they can tell paternity. Mammals all have mitochondrial DNA. That only comes the mother. Not certain about other species. Take that out and you are left with paternal DNA. I had a DNA test and it was able to show what year each ancestor carrying my genetic markers immigrated to the US.
Yeah, that's not how it works. Mitochondrial DNA is the DNA in the Mitochondria, it only comes from the mother, but that still leaves all nuclear DNA which is normally 50/50 between parents.
What they likely did for the mother is check the mitochondrial DNA and determine the what the mother is likely to be. It does not prove what DNA is from the mother otherwise.
Mitochondrial DNA and the mother's DNA are two different things. The Mitochondrial DNA is passed along from mother to offspring, but so is half of the DNA of the organism. You can't just remove it and then assume the rest is from the father, because that is just wrong.
Any animal will inherit their mothers mitochondria only, the sperm mitochondria don't enter the egg. Mitochondria have their own genes, which are an evolutionary leftover from when they were their own organism. For all of the rest of your genes, you inherit one copy of each gene from each parent. So you get one copy of gene A from each parent. Only exception is X and Y chromosomes, you can only inherit an X from your mom, but you can get an X or Y from your dad
Wait.. did you just say that genetics told you what years your ancestors immigrated? Really?
No fren
Omg! This just popped up on the side panel of what to watch next while I was watching an update and DNA test results of a foster kitten I’ve been following. I follow you on Facebook already, I’m excited to watch your videos on TH-cam!
Love seeing how fond the cats are of you. Even the outdoor cats were pretty chill (relatively) about a swab going in their throat.
Yes, please do the DNA test on Abby. Very interesting how much Scottishfold was there, sphinx total surprise,lol. Thanks Morgan for sharing the results, see you soon!
"Here is what Ginny Barn Cat's family tree MAY have looked like." They simply make up a family tree that gives the respective percentages, obviously concentrating all the highest percentages from the left. Which at more than 50% American domestic gives you a pure AD branch in the first half.
There are oodles of different ways how the percentages can have come together, and there is no way to create a family tree from a single genome.
Hello,have a wonderful day, love all of your barn n house cat, it's great you had them all nuetered
I love watching tour videos they are so relaxing and interesting! I gerns happy everytime you upload.
Genetics are fascinating! Great vlog!
I think I found your channel from Ben and/or algorithm working 😆.. love it ! Take care 💛
Thank you for treating your barn cats like buddies instead of tools you have integrity
You could always test the walking jerky next 😂😂
Happy 1 year Bday Ginny!! The video with her filming in the “Life in the day of a barn cat” was actually the very first video I watched of yours, and I’ve been a fan girl ever since 😍😍
❤️ APRIL from Modesto CA
If you do Abby, put Toby's results side-by-side if you still have them. I think it would be really interesting to see the differences.
With all the births and DNA testing you have done on your farm it would be kool to have a genetic expert explain some of your results and how different genes possibilities can happen
The kits for cats should come with some bandages and tourniquet to stop bleeding
When kitty tears you a new one ...lmao 🤣
Thanks man, I always feel a bit better after I watch your videos.
Was very interesting - I half expected them to link Molly to Ginny and was a little disappointed that they did not. Do Abby next !!
So glad they haven’t found a way to decipher feline language, cos pretty sure that TH-cam would suspend your channel for all the cursing coming from your cats when you swab them! 😆
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Been loving your channel almost from the beginning. Got a kick out of you working with "Rescue Ranch" in Waco. Awesome.
Hi Morgan I watched your live you covered a lot of things , I can’t to see how many kinds of plants you put around or in your duck pond ✅✅👍👍
"Lil Barn Cat" is totally Morgans Rapper name now
Very much so enjoyed this video! Hope you have a link for these tests bc I will order them because of you. Nice video!! Had no idea I wanted to know this. Going to test my 6 kitties.
Lil had the cutest whines I've ever heard in a kitty.
I love how the 'I'm not a cat person & I don't like cats much person' just adores and loves his cats🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🥰🥰🥰🥰
Getting Abby and Toby genetically tested makes sense seeing as you are planning to eventually breed them - that's information that would probably be useful to know. For the cats, it's just more of a curiosity thing than anything else.
Part of me thinks that getting my special little boy tested would probably be a good idea. We adopted Merlin from a farm and his father is also his grandfather (gotta love farm cats, right?). But the price tag? $70-100 was the average I saw. Yikes! That's like the cost of a visit to the vet! We're keeping an eye on him and so far the only thing I (or the vet) have noticed is that one of his hind legs seems a bit weak. It's a bit hard to tell because he's got the typical kitten clumsiness still (he's 8 1/2 months old - born mid-August 2021), but he often seems to miscalculate his jumps and shakes out one of his hind legs a lot. I suppose we'll see. We're keeping an eye on it for now.
The vet did do a bunch of blood tests shortly before we had him neutered and the tests all came back fine. So he'll probably be just fine. He's just a bit more special than normal. lol
I would love to do this on one of our 5 house cats, yes 5 house cats aghh,. He was born from a barn cat at a stables from a family we know. Both him and his step brother who they kept are big and double coated, my daughter wants a maine coon so would be funny of he had a high percentage of that.
We have had him 4 yrs now and he still remembers horse smells and when I bring rugs home he will sleep on them
love this channel, started watching at the start of it
I’m not surprised about Pablo being part Norwegian forest cat I used to have one named fluffy (Rip) and Pablo looks a lot like him with less fur
I love your videos and all your animals
Dog Owner: This is my dog, he is 100% Husky and imported him from finland.
Cat Owner: This is my cat, he is definitely 100% a cat. He walked into my yard and wouldn't leave.
I always laugh when I see people testing their super generic domesticated shorthaired mutt cats. Makes sense when testing a purebreed cat to check if the breeder is reliable, but for the rest of these little trash goblins... just a cat!
I've had purebreds and mutt kitties. There is only one cat I ever was tempted to do a DNA test on and that's Cheyenne. The purebreds I had were Maine Coons. Cheyenne is a big, long haired cat and has so many characteristics of a maine coon, I'm curious if that's a dominant gene in her, or possibly a Norwegian Forrest. This cat is so muscular and is about 5 inches taller than my other mutts
literally how i got 3 out of 5 cats i have the other two were kittens from a previous cat who was a kitten of a stray cat
I actually never thought to test my chow chow cause I know he is pure breed and have proof of ancestry spanning generations but I can’t lie I was super tempted to test our silver tabby that our dog just found in our yard one day when she was a kitten. She is really cute but her colouring is very unusual for a stray european shorthair in the area. Grey tabbies are super common but not silver and I always wondered whether she has a recent ancestor that’s a British Shorthair or some other breed which has silver tabby as common coloring. Doesn’t help that she is very sickly ,which usually people say mixed breeds, cat-cata are supposed to be healthier. So I totally understand why people want to test their generic cat-cats. ^_^’
I used to raise Sphynx cats, and provided the new kitten owner a DNA test on the kitten they were buying, as well as other essential health tests I had run. It proved the parentage of their kitten without a doubt. I was one of the very few breeders that did this. (Jan Griffiths).
anyone who breeds is a cat murderer. Stop breeding, profiting off of the suffering of unwanted animals so some spoiled brat can have something to show off on social media is evil
Thank you for giving those cats a good home. All my cats have been rescues. Rescued cats make wonderful, loving, pets.
This was right up my alley. Cool video. Thanks.
I have ducks and chickens ,and just acquired two kittens I'm wondering if you have any tips on getting them used to the birds so they don't attack them while they are out free ranging
Simply them spending time together , a number of times, with you supervising . The kittens will watch you and see that you view the birds as friends, and won’t kill them. The earlier in their life you do this, the better.
Thanks ,I was hoping that would be the case
It’s important to expose them to the birds from as young as possible. Supervised of course! But I would never fully trust a cat around very young chicks. As their prey drive can kick in at random moments or they can accidentally end up killing one while playing with it…also such play can quickly switch to hunting in cats. Once chicks are able to keep up with mom & the mom is a both a good mom & protective those chicks will typically be safe from your farm cats. Even Morgan makes sure all the chicks he raises are protected from interacting with any of his cats until they reach a certain age/size.
One more thing…if either of your cats ever do kill a chick don’t immediately think you have to get rid of the cat..especially if they didn’t eat it after killing it. As often it can be a one time incident or only occur extremely rarely…often during an attempt at play or bc a chick is weak/sickly. Of course if you see a cat repeatedly chasing or killing chicks or smaller chicken breeds such as Silkies then it would absolutely be time to find them a new home without birds.
since Abby had that hernia it'll probably be worth a genetic test to just completely write that off as random happenstance rather then anything inheritable
and 2 months later the breeder is turning up a con and puppy mill, damn a skilled actor
4:40 LOL I love your animal husbandry channel.
LOVE the content btw!! Your videos make me really happy! I’m stuck at home right now, sick with the virus (it’s really horrible and I generally have a great immune system and only really get sick MAYBE 1-2 times every year or two, but before this I hadn’t been sick for like- 2+ years, so it sucks, and I was careful, but it was bound to happen eventually) so these make me feel a lot better and brighten up my day, especially since I currently am lying in bed all day and can’t go outside, so thank you so much!!
It's interesting that the marbled tabby pattern (classic tabby) is more common on the east coast then it is on the west. Also polydactylism is more common on the east coast. (probably due to Hemmingway). East coast random bred cats also tend to be rounder, stouter better capable to withstand winter climates. Then you look at West coast random bred cats they are tall and lankey with a closer laying coat. Tabby patterns are more commonly mackeral tabby or Ticked tabby (ala Abysinnian). More suited for warmer climates.
Thanks for the video Morgan. I'm having a terrible day and this is cheering me up, though I'm saying this before the results, I hope the health results are all okay.
Yes, very interesting!!! Tks for sharing.
Interesting results
I was waiting to hear that Molly and Ginny are part vole/mouse because they had been out munching on rodents. LOL
I am curious about my parents' cat. She is a rescue that was rescued as a kitten from a shelter and she is a Manx. She was born with no tail (actually has a little bunny tail that wags when she is happy or hunting) and she fits every characteristic of a Manx cat (and not an American Bobtail), double coat, body structure, and personality. I'm very curious about how she ended up in a cat shelter as a kitten, and how Manx is she.
Hi, my mother bred Manx many years ago, and many purebred Manx are descended from her cats. Purebred animals do end up at shelters sometimes. Perhaps the original owner died or for some other reason had to surrender the cat. She is probably pure or at least half Manx, because most kittens born to two manx parents are not completely tailless. The rabbit tail makes her a "stumpy."
I really want to get my cats these tests, or tests like this one. I'd love to see what genetics my cats have. I have a mama cat whose kittens we've kept & they have completely different builds.
I understand that a female cat can (and will) mate with more than one male, so that confuses even the best social worker! 😺
@@debbys-abqnm4537 Yeah, I know! My mama cat has 2 calico girls (one that looks like a copy of mom, and one that's a silver+cream calico) and 1 straight orange tabby tom. The two girls have similar builds, but the tom has a bulkier build. I've always wanted to DNA them, as well as the other 3 that I live with too. I have a guess on what they could be, but there's a couple that I have no clue on. Our youngest cat has the build of a Maine Coon, but he isn't insanely floofy; just bulky.
@@MythicalWolfPup2005 -- Just another proof that cats certainly enjoy keeping their humans confused! Humans then realize it's just easier to feed and pet cats, asking no questions, making no demands 😸
@@debbys-abqnm4537 Lol! Yup!
@@MythicalWolfPup2005 Male cats are frequently heavier built and more muscular than females. But it is possible they all have a different dad. I have a blue-cream calico as well. It's called dilute. So her dad may have been a cream (dilute of red) or a grey (dilute of black) cat. (Jan Griffiths).
All the kitties are so cute.
Between you and just a few acres farm I die at your humor within the small farming YT community. I love y'all jokes 😂
They are all such good kitties and we love them all so much
So fascinating to see what they're made of
Testing the dna of Toby, your cats, and hopefully Abby.... do you think that you will take a dna test yourself?
Face it Pablo is a chunky monkey. Molly has definitely filled out since she got to the farm and certainly has matured into herself I don’t think she was fully grown when Morgan got her.
As for Ginny , It’s amazing to see her grow from a tiny little ball of fluff with claws to a larger than life character of a cat who is famous the world over.
Lillian has definitely used up a couple of her nine lives but she certainly looks well these days I do find it very funny the fact she can open doors with a latch on them.
For most "mutt" cats...the father, if not known, can be said to be a "traveling salesman!!" LOL
Fascinating! Thanks for sharing. 🐈😻🐈⬛️😺🐱💜
I sometimes wonder if these tests are a money making scam to massage an owner's ego. You know, so someone can brag about their little fluff muffin being the descendant of an (insert rare or popular breed here). It might be interesting to use the kit to test a potato and see what cat breeds it relates to (if any).
For cats they 100% are. Cat genetics are not well enough established to get results like this. You pretty much have a purebred cat from an established breeder with papers to prove it or you have a mixed breed cat (aka a mutt). There are no like 10% this, 20% that cats yet.
Can you provide a link to the test you used?
www.chewy.com/wisdom-panel-complete-cat-dna-test/dp/318833?Wisdom%20Panel&gbraid=0AAAAADmQ2V04yN7JXecWzo49myIMEpKRR&gclid=CjwKCAjw682TBhATEiwA9crl30Q-g3DPVLegkbNIf6lmm8FVIAkzdBOOTjHnb3rLvKMgp28bgnbaBBoC1QAQAvD_BwE
@@GoldShawFarm thanks
Gorgeous cats, and so much great footage of them!
Those squeaks from Lil-
My heart just exploded from cuteness 🥺
I mean, isn't American/European domestic cat just a term for a mixed breed cat with undetermined ancestry?
So you got scammed?
Thanks, Morgan! What a great way to wake up!
Another great video! Love these 👏 👏 👏 👏
Second,!
It would have been interesting if you swabbed your mouth and sent it in. I don't believe the results... scam?
Well that was fun!!!
Makes me wonder about our barn cats.
Will watch Toby dog’s & hope you do one on the other pup.
As always, great vid!!!
Thanks!!!
Great news! Happy that they are healthy!