Full Metal Jacket Ammo Vs Hollow Point - Difference And Usage
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ธ.ค. 2020
- Bill Quirk discusses the differences between defensive ammunition and training ammunition. Full metal jacket (FMJ) ammunition is typically less expensive, reliable, and ideal for training purposes. Hollow points (HP) are typically more expensive, accurate, reliable, and ideal for defensive purposes due to the way it expands upon impact to cause damage. Watch now to learn everything you need to know about FMJ and HP ammo.
You can find Bill Quirk at www.defensivetraininggroup.com/
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So, FMJ for training targets, JHP for bad guys. Roger that
I stockpile mostly fmj. Yes the hollow point does cause more damage.... But alot of people are under the impression that they won't do the job and stop the bad guy. That is not true at all. Also being able to punch through barriers can be a plus. Idk about everyone else but after I draw and fire once or twice im getting OFF THE X and looking for cover while continuing to fire. FMJ also feeds better. My primary mag is loaded w HP. My secondary mag is FMJ as I'm probably gonna be punching through barriers
Fmj is effective use before hpj came
@@waynedoomad2573 especially if the Full-Metal Jacket cartridges are the even deadlier "armor-piercing" rounds
Aaannddd you’re just a walking liability waiting to happen. Lol you’re going to stupidly shoot someone past a barrier from over penetration because you’re fantasizing that you’re some SEAL operator taking down bad guys in a fire fight
Bro you shoot me with a .22 and I'm leaving you alone. I just don't understand the whole controversy of what type is better lol
@@daMillenialTrucker 😂😂😂
Very informative and easy to understand. Thank you from someone newly returning to firearms.
Thank you very much for this video. I realized that having a .357 Magnum FMJ at home in case the world goes crazy is a bad idea. There could always be an innocent person behind the crook.
I love your explanation of everything you said. To the point and clear with no misconceptions to be derived.
10/10, could not ask for a better video! Asking any more would be childish. This was perfect
Enjoy your straight forward approach. I would enjoy your thoughts/vlog regarding the COVID caliber collectors and what they should be practicing...really how they should focus. I am near 65 and not close physically, to what I used to did/do/done. Yet, I still go and toss rounds with a different speed and purpose.
A lot of videos on the topic out there, but you have the show & tell not just talk. Thank you
Best explanation I’ve heard regarding hollow points and fmj. Thank you
Thank you! I took my safety course recently and my instructor covered this and now I'm just making sure I understood everything properly.
Thanks for this informative video bro...it actually really helped.
Very well explained. Thank you.
Hollow points have their place and purpose but don’t deserve to be labeled the standard for defensive ammunition. If you want consistent performance and reliability regardless of distance, barriers, barrel length, ect.. fmj is still king. tissue damage does not equal lethality and ft/lbs mean absolutely nothing in a vacuum
How about flat nose?
I really appreciate the amount of solid information (experience qualified) you present! That was impressive!
Excellent informatiive video. Thank you for taking the time and resources making it to share with others.
Probably the most helpful right to the point video I have seen
Thank you, this was helpful 👍🏽 very important information.
Just purchased a SIG Sauer 9MM pistol. Thank you for the video and knowledge on the 9MM FMJ HST.
Which one did you go with? Love my p365x
great video! easy to understand the difference.
Thanks for the info. You could have been an expert witness in a certain high profile self-defense case that's ongoing where a lot was made about the difference between the two by the prosecution, and nobody really understood.
the boy should have never used full metal jackets
Thank you Sir!
you explain the difference in the ammo very well thanks again
Great informative video! Couldn’t expect less from BDU. I do tons of ballistic gel testing with different loadings. (I’ll be uploading these videos at the start of next year). I’ve known several people to carry ball rounds and have converted a couple of those over to JHPs after I showed them my results. The ones I find that are stuck on carrying ball rounds are prior military because ‘if it worked over there it’ll work over here’. Aside from that; I always recommend Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot, Winchester Ranger-T, and Hornady Critical Duty. In that order. These round are not only proven in labs but on the streets as well.
And just because those are the top performing rounds doesn’t mean they’re the best in each caliber. For example, my test on the federal HST showed me that it can’t handle the sheer speed of the .357 Sig. jacket separation in almost each testing(due to the non bonded bullet) which resulted in that round being taken off my preferred carry load list in that caliber. Same with the Non bonded Ranger T in .357 Sig. with that caliber, Gold Dot is the way to go. The hot loading. Not the reduced penetration loading the FAMS utilized.
I always remind people, just as you did today, to test your carry rounds in your carry firearm. What works in mine may not work in yours and vise versa.
I would rather have FMJ than a stick....FMJ will get the job done, just in another fashion....
Great video, u just solved a hell of a conversation for us at work
Gotta a lot of simpletons at your company? There isn't a single study showing hollow points are more effective at stopping an attacker than FMJ. Police departments and civilians have been using hollow points for thirty years now, and.....nothing. No data.
Excellent video, all new shooters and new concealed carry should see this.
Love how 2 years later and ammo is still expensive.
Around $1 per for jacketed hollow point
@@davidfaxon3336now its even more😭
great explanation thank you !
well done video. thanks!
Very clear, thanks.
Great informative video.
Great explanation
"rifle bullet fail to go through drywall"
I think you hit the nail on the head.
Nice video thank you
Great video explaining the difference between FMJ rounds and HP rounds. Spot on with how different pistols chamber ball ammo and hollow tip ammo. You have to shoot each round through your weapon to see what works. Now, shooting targets at 25yds with a 9mm? That's 75ft. In a self defense scenario, we're talking more like 7yds or 21ft. Again, great video but if you're defeating a target at over 20ft in self defense, good luck in court. Just saying.
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Full metal jacket, penetrating body armor, FMJ, penetrating body armor. I would much rather shoot three or four times creating temporary body cavities with a full metal jacket than having all my hollow points stop in his or her body armor. Go team America
Thank you finally someone that understands👌🏽
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Big daddy Ken in Ohio here. firstly a good informative video. That said, and I promise you I intend no disrespect or sarcasm, Ive a question and a couple things to say. While we can all agree the potential for over penetration is there with an fmj round, I have yet to see a single documented example of an over penetrating round striking and innocent bystander simply because it was a fmj round. I think it fair to note that many hollow point rounds plug up with material and act as an fmj. But what I have seen is numerous examples of an innocent being hit with an errant shot, that is the shooter missed his intended target and hit something or someone he wasnt shooting at and this can happen with an hp or fmj. I think the fear of fmj ammo is way overblown and I also say it has defensive applications. It stands to reason if fmj is effective in offensive operations with the military it would be effective in defensive situations as well.
I'm new to guns/firearms and this was super helpful. Potentially stupid question: do shooting ranges ever have policies about what kind of ammunition you're allowed to practice with?
If you bring your own ammo many ranges will check for certain things like tracers, reloads, etc.
@@jakes3547 Gotcha, thanks
One range that I went to checked for steel core ammo because someone using it had penetrated their backstop.
@@Narsuitus Interesting, thanks
@@jakes3547 They can't really tell if the ammo is reloaded, and most ranges allow reloads anyways. But especially incendiary/tracer ammo is banned due to fire risk at a lot of ranges. Most indoor ranges ban AP ammo too. Some ranges ban steel cased ammo but not that many.
After many years of listening to why this round and not this round, I have also learned through out my life time, is that criminals are species of opportunity! They will almost always wait for their victims to be in secluded places or very low traffic of other humans in order to assault or rob people. They will not hold you up at knife point or with any other weapon in a crowded area or shopping mall. So, that said, why would I really have to worry about over penetration of my ammunition? and hitting an innocent bystander, because their would not be one around. Also! You should never fire a weapon at anyone who has people in his background, that is just not done. You need to know when to stand down or wait for your opportunity to react to an assailant, because if he already has his weapon pointed at you, all you can do is comply and hope you may have an opportunity to draw your weapon and shoot. But, if you make the mistake of trying to go for your weapon, all he has to do is squeeze the trigger and boom your dead. So! I carry two JHP and Two FMJ in that order in all my Magazines, whether it's 380, or 9mm.
Very good points.
Most FMJ ammo can seriously injure a "bad guy" who's wearing Level 3 body armor, like James Holmes, the Aurora, CO theater shooter. Even if the round doesn't penetrate the armor, it can still hurt the assailant -- buying "more time" for a crowd of innocent people to flee the area.
So can a Mossberg 504 with either slugs, or buckshot. In the words of Clint Eastwood make my day
Most people forget that even if you're wearing body armor, you still feel the energy of the bullet. A 9mm bullet travels at about 800 mph, and that is a lot of energy to stop over an area smaller than the size of a quarter.
Well as illustrating the point that it doesn't just take the right gun but it takes the right bullet as well.
Would FMJ ammo be the best for 22 mag revolver and rifle since 22 mag ammo doesn't expand but FMJ would get good penetration? This is the round I'm most accuate and comfortable shootingt right now,
Y'all do a cookout afterward? I hear pork roast!
Hi, what are the ammunition available today for Air marshals use
Dictionary of Truth:
-Defensive Rounds= Offensive Rounds
JHP not designed to increase target damage= JHP designed to cause maximum cutting and bleed target to death.
this. It's a weapon my dude, dont be ashamed. it's purpose is to kill and maim
You're forgetting about the ballistic coefficient of a hollow point. A vortex created inside the cavity as the hollow point passes through the air it can throw the trajectory off.
Ok nerd
124 grain HST can consistently hit a paper plate at 100 yards, I've seen it done with a PCC. Who's going to need better accuracy than that with a handgun.
Also, many of the most accurate rifle rouds are hollow point boat tail.
LOL, "It is isn't about damaging the person or hurting the person". Yea it is, it's about maximizing damage to kill the person.
you missed his point
Guns are suppose to stop a threat… not to kill.
@@furonwarrior shoot to kill my dude, center mass with a controlled pair. dead
@@yato329 But that’s not the intention… if they shot and missed you, but was running away from you because they missed and you shot to kill them… the judge and jury may see that the person was trying to escape from the bullet wound in the back and thus, no longer a threat to you making you guilty.
@@furonwarrior YOU ONLY SHOOT TO KILL.
point of impact point of aim is the most critical choice witch is why i stay away from hyper ammo, not only is it not necessary and needlessly expensive it tends to change the point of impact to unacceptable levels. I would with out a doubt test my individual pistol or revolver with them until i find the ammo that is most performance consistent in terms of point of impact point of aim. My pistol shoots it's best with regular ol 124gr jhp ammo by sellior and belloit followed by the winchester white box jhp's. I tried civil defense hollow points in my bul armory sas 2 ultalight pistol and the poa/poi changed by nearly a foot, that's no good period, they are nasty and do alot of damage but they are horribly inaccurate in my edc pistol. The federal hst and speer gold dots change the poa/poi by mostly half that but the regular pressure rounds are nearly always within an inch any direction.
You said poi changed by nearly a foot. At what distance was that?
@@mikem.2078 25 yards
Maybe alternately load one FMJ, one hollow, one FMJ, one hollow round etc to cover all bases?
What about a black tip round with a tungsten core ? I think it would be able to penetrate all that plate.
I own two 9mm pistols and hollow points are not accurate more than 7-10 yards. I have tried Hornady Critical Defense, Critical Duty, and Winchester jhp at 25 yards and was very inconsistent in each gun.The same guns shoot 6 inch groups at 25 yards with fmj practice ammo
Any reason for this? Using heavier grains like 147 or 135 or 124? Does the hollow properties cause wind to grab / steer the bullet?
Most of this is presented very well. I would maybe adjust the term "autopsy" Generally that is reserved for the investigation of death on human remains by a pathologist or sometimes coroner. Necropsy would tend to refer to the same process on a non human. In this case it sounds like a dissection- or maybe more specifically a dissection for ballistic analyses. Since you are not investigating any sort of cause of death and it is not human remains- autopsy is really not the right term at all. Otherwise great content!
Has seen rifle cartridges not go through drywall LMAO😂 must be some of that Chinese drywall LOL
0bviously not all hollow points are created equal. Most hollow points need to exceed at least 1000fps in order to expand efficiently. Barrel length and bullet weight can be a deciding factor in this. This really should have been mentioned.
What about Critical Duty. They will exit a Body but they stop very well
I'm learning more about these things because im looking forward to being a concealed carrier sooner or later and i will say I'm more of a fan for FMJ when you think about self defense (90-95%) of attackers or enemies are wearing some kind of a cheap retarded pos armor plate. & In my imagination I assume FMJ is great against armor & such against god forbid any kind of fire fight to protect ourselves my guess.
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EXACTLY 💯
4:04.... is it wrong that I kept wondering if the pork was still safe to cook?
Safe to cook, yes, as long as you are not putting that metal bullet in the microwave.
Safe to eat, maybe, because it depends on how fresh and how clean the pork was before it was shot. Plus, some people do not think that any pork is safe to eat.
@@Narsuitus Thanks for the lesson in semantics but I think we got ot covered.
If I go hiking and I encounter a coyote or mt lion should I get FMJ or HP ?
Hollow point will be a force a lion hasn't seen before
@@blkkpiIl LOL. Not a single study showing hollow points are more effective than FMJ. Not one.
@@redwolf7807 Against flesh targets at close range they definitely are as long as they expand
@@redtra236 Once again, there is not a single study which proves that.
@@redwolf7807 There's numerous tests proving this bub
So, in the JFK assassination, one bullet went straight through two men. The last shot exploded JFK’s head.
Was Oswald using two different types of ammo in his rifle? Or were two different people shooting?
That is the age old question isn't it?
Everybody believes 2nd shooter
Isn’t the only difference between a normal bullet and hollow point is that the hollow point expands when it hits something to do more damage???
Went to an inside firing range with my brother and the 9 mm kept jamming. It was the ammo
What about the millions of soldiers that have been killed in Battle by full metal jackets over the decades.
They should call hollow points insurance bullets, because you don’t really wanna pay for the neighbors kid. Without rule of law, full metal jacket all day long every day long. In this world of lawyers in which we live runaway don’t defend your life don’t shoot to defend your life run away throw your wallet in the air to them and as they catch it turn and run away
Hey all. For me, the only reason i ever considered mixing type ammo, was when in the wild. For bears and such. There is obviously a caliber debate on bears with handguns. Whatever the caliber, I think hitting a bear with through put and stopping ammo is a reasonable argument? Go easy on me please, i cant get non condescending answers from people on this question.
My question is,if fmj ammo is not effective,why worry about over penetration?
Not so much about penetrating through humans more so about missing a target and moving through drywall and hitting a bystander.
@@HeirPlain and this is specifically the main reason why law-abiding citizens use Jacketed Hollow-Points for self-defense situations
@@DrQuagmire1 Why? Do you think hollow points will not penetrate drywall?
@@mountainhobo because if you're using Full Metal Jackets in a Self-Defense shooting, while you may hit your intended target, you'll also run the risk of hitting an innocent bystander at the same time.
Granted, there's also a similar risk when using Hollow Points, but at the same time, they tend to dump all of their energy upon hitting a fleshy target.
@@DrQuagmire1 What? Are you saying it is better to miss with hollow points because if they hit someone else, they will do less damage? That makes zero sense.
What do you think about the JHP? Let me know!
my ruger security .380 accidentally went through my flat screen the bedroom wall and the front window seal oops!
I just need one hollow point
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Mind your business kid
@@darnellw3139 Do you have a similar lack of hair bud? Must be why you're so riled up, it's a topic near and dear to yourself huh? Lmao
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How wrong about FMJ rounds all NATO rounds are FMJ and have kill more than ANY other type of projectile shape. I prefer FMJ rounds as they will go through walls if needed without deforming unlike ANY JHP that will deform. Remember not all targets are standing in the open and a well placed bullet is way more important. For home defense especially in a dark house a shotgun with 00 Buck is still the best weapon ask any police or military person like myself. Hell, a 22 round is a very devastating round as it bounces around once inside the target. DO LOTS OF RESEARCH and ask tons of questions!
nerd
@@7akk. Shut up mate,he knows more than you do,also yep,JHP sadly deforms,so use a FMJ…
Both will kill you so will a plain bullet but I get your point. Nice video for folks that don't know. From a disabled veteran
Im new to firearms and my ? Is why doesn't the military use HP instead of FMJ. I am aware that in war time you want to kill as many as possible, but wouldnt JHPs etc?
Because it’s against the geneva convention and is less effective against armored targets
Hollows are the way to go they’re safer for everyone else around. Fmj’s can fly though walls, hollows stop dead in the intended target
If you're using hollow points, u j tryna hurt someone.
For war use FMJ ! FMJ will always cycle !
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Why put a jacket on a hollow point at all?
Because the lead is too soft it gets stuck in your barrel and could cause a bore obstruction worst case but generally just a pain clean
Doesn't matter all get you gone That's it
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No handgun is a better all around man stopper than a 7 to 8 shot 4 to 6 inch 357 Magnum. Throw in s speed load or 2 although u will never need em
10 mm performs a bit better than 357
All Stores Please lower the price of all Military and Local for all brands of Hollow Point Bullets and Accessories and Production Cost Now That's Too much $$ The Whole World Now Pray
Can't find hollow points
The word "autopsy" is used to describe the postmortem examination of a human.
The word "necropsy" is used to describe the postmortem examination of a non-human animal.
All Stores Please lower the price of all Military and Local for all brands of Hollow Point Bullets and Production Cost Now That's too much $$ The Whole World Now Pray
A hammer wouldn't penetrate a grapefruit and hot your hand enough to hurt like hell ? My ass it wouldn't . Unless your using a rubber mallet or something similar . I mean just ask the comedian known as Galager ! a regular basic hammer would definitely go through the fruit and still carry enough energy to hurt someone on the other side of the fruit .
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All Stores Please lower the price of all Military and Local for all brands of 9mm Hollow Point Bullets and Production Cost Now That's too much $$ The Whole World Now Pray
Full metal jacket goes through walls cars and doors and will still hit your target Obviously the fact that the hollow doesn't do that gives you less options when your life is on the line
I prefer hollow in a pistol. But in a rifle definitely FMJ
"i have seen rifle cartridges fail to go through drywall". what the hell are you talking about??
At short distances, 5,56 may “overturn” after hitting drywall due to the weight and center of mass that makes the projectile unstable. So the 556 would not pierce but “slap” the target. Reassuring: at short distances
High velocity, light weight rifle rounds fragment and lose energy rapidly when they contact obstacles at close range.
No shit, dude. I 100% guarantee, this guy has not seen drywall stop any rifle round.
AK-47.
So basically hollows get stuck in your body and FMJs go straight through
fmj will go straight through same size it went in hollow goes through it can get stuck but if it comes out the whole will be 3x bigger
I train with fmj. I know 100% my gun will run with them. Not all guns will run consistently with jhp. If you don't train with jhp I would not recomend you use it.
Hallow point gang 😂
Never knew that hollow points where actually the more responsible round, they get such a bad reputation. Thanks
@@skrittles1628 you have no idea what u are talking about
It’s the guns fault, not me.
I got a friend who only runs fmj. I think hes evil
What is the inocent person behind the crook .....just have a bad day
Hollow point = kill person.
Andrew tate?
That is why all our sevice members use fmj.pluss jeneva covention......fmj......and dont worry about it.
first gun was a s&w 40, but i want to either get a glock 23, or glock 19. just not sure if they trade off would be as dramatic if i go to a 9, or stick w the 40s (nd yes i know a 23 is a 40🙄 @thepistolpolice)
Get the 23. I use 40 primarily. You can always get a 19 barrel and put it in your 23, so you get the best of both worlds with the 23.