In hindsight, the search and rescuers that were looking for Beth and Hannah did a terrible job. Why wouldn't they check the mines that still have running electricity lol
One could argue that since the girls fell off a cliff, there wasn’t a reason to check the mines. Every entrance is closed off. It’s a poor argument but it’s something. But yea they did fail the twins
@@thatoneguy1232 I dunno about that one, I feel like anywhere there's mines there's always the thought that someone could end up in them or they could cave in in places. It always bothered me that nobody knows about the mines in this area, it just feels off.
@@aawlex2323they are aware of the mines but they don't have rolling patrols up there bc it's technically private property. The twins and Josh's dad bought all that land. However the search team should have checked the mines.
Honestly, so did The Stranger. Like, why didn't he tell the authorities he saw where they fell? He doesn't need to mention the Wendigos, and even if he kept quiet to keep the search and rescuers from the Wendigos, they were at risk looking for the girls anyway. Unless he somehow didn't know they were being searched for.
Its so horrible knowing that Hannah survived the fall, buried her sister, and then dug her back up to eat her- the psychological elements if this game were what got me, such a good story
especially when you discovered all the clues yourself and piece everything up Thats one of the most tragic tragic death ive ever heard of. God that mustve felt awful. Like imagine being humiliated in front of your friends, drop like 10 feet off a cliff, see your sister die right in frint od you. Have the guts to bury her and be miserable alone in the mines for 30 days alone, can you imagine all the thoights she had, that wouldve been awful especially after the "prank"
I was thinking about that! The way the journal wrote it said "Man or woman", and talks about the respect of animals on the mountains, so they'd be part of the natural order. As well as the fact that ,eating what you have to as an animal is natural, while not natural for a person, I feel the Wendigo spirit might not affect them. I'm sorry, I'm sure this was just said to be cute, but you got my brain going.
I feel like the stranger always died too fast after he finally got properly introduced. Like I get they were in the open with a wendigo, but the dude had survived for a long time on that mountain only to be taken out so quickly. I just feel like he should have had a bit more time before getting killed. Also the actor didnt direct the OG until dawn, but he was a writer for it. His name is Larry Fessenden, for anyone curious
He survived that long because he was alone and only had to care for himself, the moment he teams up with a complete amateur he dies trying to save him, had he gone check on Josh alone like he wanted to he probably would've survived.
@gabrielpasqualini8413 yeah I get that, I just still think it was a little too soon and kinda abrupt as he was just introduced to the group. It's just a little too abrupt storytelling wise. But I mean it doesn't break the story at all or anything. It's just more of a nitpick and a preference thing I think
yeah it's a trope that I'm not really a fan of. you introduce the expert character for some exposition for the protagonists, and then you kill them to raise the tension.
@@danilooliveira6580 yeah true. My problem with the stranger here is also they build him up with all the small glimpses we get and then just kill him when we finally meet him
Yeah. I can agree. Although, for plot and story purposes, it makes sense, but at least I would have loved to see him alive and interact with the others just a liiiiitttle longer. after was revealed
Sam’s actress mentioned in an interview that the scar is connected to the curse. It’s a similar shape to the symbols the Stranger left behind too. My guess is since she’s responsible for killing the biggest Wendigo and its co, the curse got angry with her and inserted a piece of itself into her. That combined with the mental turmoil from that night will forever haunt and taunt her until she goes back to the mountain, so it can finally try and claim her.
1:24:43 Gab the scary thing is, if you're trapped in a cave or underground, the walls of the cave absorb sound so sound doesn't travel as effectively. That's why they prolly couldn't her Hannah call for help
considering later games of the devs, I would say the super natural are a known issue to authorities so they probably had to assess what kind of monster attacked them in case she turns into something in the hospital.
my head cannon is that they don't actually know each other from school, but from are all a part of a rock climbing club. Only explanation why ALL of them can scale rock faces like they're nothing
apparently Emily and Sam ARE in a climbing club, the red outfit Sam is wearing at the end is hers, and Emily is apparently wearing a blue/black version earlier in the game (during the prank intro). Also they're the only two that climb like that - Mike climbs that part in the mines after Jessica falls, but it's not a rock face.
i heard before that the thing that's going on with Josh that made his story even more tragic is that when looking at his medication, he was treated for depression, but when looking at his symptoms, he was suffering from schizophrenia. On top of that, antidepressant would only worsen the symptoms of schizophrenia and all that is why he went taking his medication. Dr Hills really is the actual vilain. Not sure if it's incompetence or something else, though.
If I had to bet, I blame his parents. Hiding his issues from the rest of his family, jumping from doctor to doctor as Dr. Hill was not his first, the private hospitals/treat centers. All screams that his parents were denying his actual problems, shopping around for a doctor that would tell them what they wanted to hear and trying to take care of it as privately as possible while denying him the help and support Josh needed.
What Josh really needed was time. A diagnosis like that wouldn't be made quickly plus his family trying to hide it would only add to the stigma. Not to mention the stress of his sisters missing. Sam found Josh's phone with the real Dr. Hill trying to reach out to him. The tragedy being Josh doesn't have that kind of time with actual monsters running around,
Josh: clearly having a mental breakdown, needing to be supported Sam: glad you’re okay! but yeah, Hannah was down here for a month. Let’s get outta here 😭
It seems like Sam's secret ending and Josh's new good ending is hinting at a sequel. It is also interesting that the book was "Creature Myths of the Great Plains" (like she was studying wendigos) and the medication is Sertraline, an antidepressant.
Rather strange way of portraying the use of anti-depressants, isn't it? I haven't been majorly depressed myself, but I have taken a lot of different meds due to chronic migraines and whatnot, and anti-depressants aren't addicting at all. At least not in the sense as you would suddenly take tons of pills in no time, like some might be tempted to with opioids, benzos etc. So not entirely sure what we are supposed to get from that scene? It feels like we are supposed to believe Sam has fallen into some sort of deep addiction, but then sertraline doesn't make much sense. Could of course be that Sam has simply slipped so far into depression that she doesn't clean her room anymore. So, it's not her emptying bottles of anti-depressants at an alarming rate, it's simply her no cleaning up the empty ones.
@@RamGuy459 I didn't think anything about addiction. I just think because it was "some years later," it's trying to show that she has been on antidepressants for a little bit
@RamGuy459 it didn't give me any impression that she had an addiction. Nothing indicated that she took all those pills recently, but I don't think we saw the labels of all pill bottles, so they could've been for other issues as well
I didn’t understand why Josh would mess with Sam as much as he did because he would confide in her so much, but on this rewatch I understand that he projected a lot onto her and wanted to show her the others in turmoil. He thought she was on the same page as him.
yeah i thought the same! i figured the pills were a sort of anti depressent but thinking about it more it might be for schizo (what josh had) and it passed onto sam due to her traumatic exprience, she seemed heavily impacted by it in the ending when talking in the credits and even saying 'idc if you believe it, you will have to' etc which is symptoms of schizo. and shes having a achizo epsiode about the bleeding arm, not sure what the symbol means bc it didnt look related to the wendigos, but you can tell since she hasnt been taking her pills hence them pilling up on her bedside table. so maybe sam ins mc in a future game w dr hill with a sort of mental disorder. sounds so good!
@@heidi-kr2xi I'm positive you dont mean it as such but I just wanna let you know that "schizo" is considered a slur lol,, the shorthand or abbreviations most commonly used are either sz / sch / or SAD (provided a mood disorder is also present) but it's a complicated disorder with many different branches! :) It's entirely possible that Sam developed it as she's likely at the right age group, combined with the traumas of losing her friends & yknow... nearly escaping death LMFAO- but it could also be a plethora of different disorders; we'll just have to see what the devs decide :D
The way that my body would never physically recover from half the things these kids went through. Breaking the doors with my shoulder? My collarbones would shatter. Climbing up a cliff in freezing temperatures? I'd fall to my death. Tumbling down the rocks? I wouldn't even bother getting up.
Not to mention being blasted by TWO explosions. Not only are they super strong physically, but their bodies also seem to be made of titanium. Sam is just straight up wonder woman.
I mean, adrenaline is a hell of a drug, but I generally agree. Plus, opening doors should be done with a kick, not one's shoulder. Media gets it wrong a lot (so do people, I suppose). Even if adrenaline (and most of them being pretty fit to begin with) got them through the night, they would be feeling *all* of this mess afterwards. Possibly with permanent issues from all the falls!
Same, but also I probably wouldn't even be there to begin with. Climbing a fence as the entrance to a hike to a possibly unmaintained cable car, up a mountain to another hike that leads to a dusty, cold (luxury-) cabin in the woods? In the middle of freaking winter? Nah-uh. Not for a group a people that mostly dislikes each other (and I would hurt myself trying to climb the fence so it ends there anyway lol)
I love how that guy says "wendigo tortures their prey and keep them alive for as long as possible" while all we see (except for josh) is everyone being killed as fast as possible xD
The running theory of why he says that is that he wanted to scare Chris into listening to him (which works). Chris was going to keep looking for Josh while the Wendigo was hunting and wanting to get him to safety, he lied to get Chris to listen and go.
I feel mixed about this remake as a whole, but it’s admittedly pretty cool they included that Josh scene and brought Hayden Panettiere back for that post-credits scene. Zero clue what the scene is hinting at though. I’m guessing a potential Sam centric sequel of sorts? If they had to canonize one character’s survival for a potential follow up, Sam does feel like the obvious choice.
the graphics very clearly look better, but at the same time I really get the problem with over the shoulder camera. the fixed camera give this detached feeling, like watching a story unfold. you are not the characters, you are watching their story. over the shoulder gives too much immersion for a story you are not supposed to be part of.
You're so right about the original being more "filmic"; the director of the original Until Dawn was a movie director so he had a great eye for dramatic camera shots, lighting, and such. The new one definitely lost a lot of "pazazz" (and that amazing soundtrack) at the price of new content.
Yet the maker of the remake claims the use of narrower field-of-view, etc. Is for creating an overall more cinematic experience. I fully agree, the original does it better.
If they really plan a sequel to this, I hope they get Larry Fessenden again as a writer. He seemed quite passionate about Until Dawn and I don't want it to become a boring cash grab. Give me more movie clichés, deeper satire, new creatures and characters we love to hate
I just realized that Josh never talks in his "therapy sessions". First, I thought that's just so the player doesn't recognize who the patient actually is, and thats definitely also part of the reason, but there's another reason as well. When we, as the player, choose one of two ways to answer any query from Dr. Hill, Josh doesn't voice the answer, even after the reveal. Dr. Hill just answers, he knows what Josh is thinking, because he is Josh's hallucination. The hints were there from the very beginning
Omg chris is really going through it. First he had to experience killing his best friend, watching him be sawed in half (not real, but a very real experience fir chris). Then he was forced to shoot himself or ashley which is traumatizing for obvious reasons, even if he didnt end up dead he fully expected to pull the trigger and die. Then he watched someone get ACTUALLY DECAPITATED. I should also mention that all of these are scripted events, so chris is severely traumatized in every universe. 😢
Unfortunately a lot of filmmakers now seem to believe that dramatic lighting isn’t the way to go, even though SO many people (myself included) are just like, “I can’t SEE ANYTHING” So I sure don’t think wanting more dramatic lighting, even if it’s unrealistic, is too big of an ask. It’s a monster horror game. It’s ALREADY unrealistic- That said, I do wonder what on earth that last scene with Sam was supposed to mean.
To me, the sam ending might be a nod at the optional thing with josh becoming a wendigo ( at least in the og i remember that scene) Mostly because for one, we see the last bit of the sam scene in the sort of movement/heat vision that the wendigo pov always was. Now what the hell its meant to tell us, i couldnt say. maybe sam is haunted by the shit she saw and its just in her head? Either way, it feels very unecessary and kinda sequel baity.
i mean og until dawn didnt have "dramatic lighting", it was just an ugly blue filter lol And this game wasnt even dark. Imo they lost the cinematic aspect but its rather bc of the camera work, not bc of lighting
THIS. The entire time I was looking at the differences all i could think was that one tumblr post about how you can't see anything in movies and shows anymore because dark = scary to filmmakers these days. Like I love the clarity of the remake but give it some light so I can see it.
@@fluffy_magnus lighting and color are two different things. yes the original was too blue. the remake is better lighting in some respects/scenes for the most part, but in some the original has better lighting. but the remake has way better texture, contrast, and color overall imo. I feel like the camera work is almost identical.
@@Invalidationcoded.... I know it's two different things. that's why I made a distinction that it wasnt lighting but a filter lol can't think of a single moment where lighting alone was better in the og. And what I meant by camera work is mostly the fixed angles.
I love the potential Ashley death in the tunnels and how it’s brought up in the end interviews if both she and Jess make it. Although it does make me wish they did a bit more with the mimicry aspect, the scene always gives me chills
I got Ashley killed with the mimicry on my first playthrough because I assumed it was the game double-bluffing me. Then she just died and I could not have felt more stupid
wolfie is probably a mix, because wolfs are taller, have bigger ears, dont bark and their front legs are further together, but the tail look like a wolfs, except the missing black tip
I love the way you talked about the differences between the original and the remake at the end. You highlighted some of the same issues I had with the new version but in the end I think my main complaint is the fixed camera angles and that green light they used in some of the scenes: I found the original more cinematic and I wish they kept that, even if it sometimes meant it had some non-realistic lighting
To be fair to Josh not taking his meds. It was noted that he had developed a resistance to them and had to take more and more, they also cause liver damage and his doctor wasn't switching him to a different medication which is usually done to prevent exactly that. So it was either death by liver failure or stop taking his meds.
I enjoyed this but I really wanted to see Jess and Mike reunited. I also wanted to see them all better. I like a happy ending. Another point is the search and rescue crew rubbish. How did no one find ANY of that stuff down there.
I really appreciated the reminder about not being always perfect. I often struggle with it and i think it comes from parents that let you feel like you are not enough even when you are actually doing good.
I feel a little bummed that there wasn't much to the new Josh ending, but I'm guessing Rami Malek is too large of a name for them to be able to afford to record any new scenes with him. Still a really fun experience overall, though. Thank you for sharing the update with us.
I dont know how limiting their contracts are, but technically you wouldn't need him to act out any new scenes, as long as there are no voice lines. They have the character model already and anybody with a similar stature could put on the mocap suit. But maybe they just wanted the focus to be on Sam and her scene
I love the little teaser for possibly a sequel? Maybe something to do with that snowglobe that seemed so out of place? Something about a carnival as far as I remember? I‘m so curious what they‘re cooking!
@ Ohh wow, I’ve never even heard about that one! That makes sense. But they do seem to have some sort of plan for Sam, I wonder what that thing on her arm was 👀
Jess looks pretty shellshocked at the end. And what always bothered me about the ending was that there was no reunion scene between all the characters. Mike still probably thinks Jess is dead.. feels incomplete wish the remake did something about that.
I like how even after the heinous night she's had, Emily's the most sane and composed in the interviews, even enough to mention Mike almost shooting her rather than her encounters with the wendigo and fire tower 😭
Emily can mention the fire tower and the wendigos. The fire tower only comes up if her relationship with Matt was bad and he abandoned(jump to safety). She goes on about how Matt left her on the crumbling tower. She doesn’t mention it here because if she’s on good terms with Matt, then she’s solely worried about his wellbeing. No one really mentions the wendigos but all of them can. The reverse order in which the first set of interviews go is the order of who gets to speaks about the mines, wendigo, and potentially Josh. People have to die to get the next person up. So it’s typically always Sam but if she’s dead, then it’s Mike. The rest goes Jess>Matt>Emily>Ashley>Chris. Emily’s is the most informative version of the “investigate the mines” interviews.
I just assumed that was a response to a question that was asked. I'm sure they ALL talked about the mines and monsters first thing, we just didn't see it. Afterwards they answered questions the best they could because the authorities obviously didn't believe them.
I think the saying is something like you can survive 3 minutes without air, 3 hours in the cold, 3 days without water, and 3 weeks without food. Idk if that's accurate though
Yup. Rule of threes for survival. I've always hear it as "3 minutes without air, 3 hours without shelter, 3 days without water, and 3 weeks without food". I've heard it as shelter, mostly when I did camping and hiking and stuff back in the day. And of course how long you can go without food generally depends on how much muscle, and then fat, that your body can self-cannibalize before you genuinely waste away.
As a rule of thumb that works, but technically all those things are heavily dependent on the circumstances. Survive 3 minutes without air just marks the time when your brain cells start dying without oxygen, you'd need someone to revive you, though, since most people pass out way before that. Water needs depend on the climate you're in, and like the commenter before me said, food depends on your build and metabolism
She's great in a bitchy way! I think the only thing I hated was how she treated Matt, mostly how at the end she says "Mike's my boyfriend" even though he literally almost, or in some playthroughs literally does, shoot her.
fr, Hannah gets stuck down the mines for a month before eating Beth out of desperation but Emily tumbled her whole way down those mines and still found her way out, she's the terminator 😂
This episode reminded me of when Markiplier played Until Dawn back when it first came out, and he LOST IT, almost went catatonic! when he got Ashley killed in this sequence lolllll
I really hate Ashley so much esp when it comes to the Emily part. She just panics too much and jumps on conclusions and makes everything worse. Also I like Sam for standing up somehow for Emily like she did for Hannah, it's not much but at least she tried to voice out for them. That's why Sam is my fav charac and next is Emily. Nice playthrough as always Gab! And loved the tidbits screentime of BB!! ⭐
Same, Ashley is the only character I actively dislike in the game after seeing all the things that can happen. She's the only character who does nothing of value. She's not kind and well-meaning but she also isn't smart or resourceful. Worst of all the one brave and selfless thing she does (telling Chris to shoot her instead of himself) is a thing she will later punish Chris for doing!
1:21:19 I kinda assumed it was the death of Hannah and Beth that drove them appart and brewed resentment between them. Like Mike was to blame because he was Hannah's crush and Emily was his girlfriend who let it happen. The prank was Jess's idea and Ashley and Matt just let it happen so the anger and blame split the group up. This is also the first time the whole 'gang' is back together.
I really don't understand why people question the dynamic of the friend group. They're teenagers! There are so many friend groups at that age that are just full of drama and they don't really get along. They are all probably ready to go their separate ways now they're graduating/graduated besides the few that are super close. And they're mostly together now for Beth and Hannah's sake
People say teenagers and I default to high schoolers. For me, I see college kids. Though I suppose some could be 18/19 but I still saw them as 20 somethings. You can still be cruel and immature at that age. I don't know, I feel like they have to much travel freedom with zero adult supervision, to be teens. Are they all rich with disposable income?
@Anime10473 true about 20 year olds they can also be like that and they definitely look more like 20s. But there are a few things that still make me think they're teens or at least were high school seniors when the sisters disappeared: -in the lead up to the prank Emily says that Mike is Class President (also her bragging about her GPA in the fight with jess but that could be college) -when Josh is trying to hype Chris to go for it with Ashley he says something like "look around, do you see any parents?" -in Hannah's diary she writes about "mom finally agreed" in reference to the party, (could be just permission to use the lodge though)
This was a cool game! It was interesting to see the side by side comparisons and then hear your feedback about it. I get what you mean about the way light is handled. Also, the framing and other small details! All very important things that make such a difference. I agree that, at times, the background appears less interesting in the newer version and sort of loses that sense of outdoor moonlight. More focus now on the action and on the character's expressions, and such? (But I've never actually watched the original) I majored in Art, so I could definitely nerd out on that kind of thing!! And, it does NOT matter if you "officially" know what you're talking about, you know what you feel, and that is all that matters! Thanks for playing this one again for us!
The wendigo eyeballs from the original game look more realistic, something that has been unchanged from their human form. It would have been cool of the new version of the game could have retained that in their redesign.
I don't think Josh was taking the right medication anyway, he was treated for depression and the dude had full conversations with his missing sisters. The moral of the story would be mental health needs more attention I would say. And don't eat human corpses...
2-3 weeks: During this initial period, the body utilizes its readily available energy stores, such as glucose and glycogen. 3-8 weeks: After depleting these stores, the body starts breaking down muscle tissue for energy. This process leads to weakness, fatigue, and muscle loss. 8 weeks or longer: In rare cases, some individuals may survive for several months by entering a state of ketosis, where the body uses fat for fuel.
i think the dramatic in the old one also had this light "bloom" effect that made everything glowy and like you're looking through a slightly blurred lens
1:21:24 yeah but at the same time the camera pics that you can see in the prologue show that they were a bit closer than you think. The way they hang out seemed way connected to each other than just “they’re a friend of a friend”.
I wonder if the reason the remake looked a little more blurry during the time in the sanatorium is maybe they didn’t make the dust particles visible like in the original so instead they made everything more cloudy in comparison
Man it sucks that you have to kill Matt in order to play as Jessica again, as she’s only playable in chapter 1 if he’s alive,and the fact she can’t find a totem if he’s alive to?? I wish the remake at least added one new segment for Jessica,like the unused Jess segment from the prototype 😔 at least then she’d be able to find clues and a totem
I wish there were more Jess too, she shows genuine character growth going from seeming kinda bitchy at the start to revealing to Mike that she's insecure and then being traumatised by everything whereas most of the other female characters felt a bit one note
I'm always floored that even after realizing she was wrong about the bite thing, she keeps talking in a panicked way as if she didn't just learn that it was fine.
If I had to choose, I would rather get stuck in a life or death situation with Emily rather than Ashley. Emily does have attitude, but I feel like she is reasonable, practical and resilient enough to put your differences (if any) aside for the sake of survival. Meanwhile you would have to hold Ashley's hand through the entire ordeal while dealing with her panic attacks and temper tantrums. The most useful thing she did in the entire game was opening the door for Chris. I find it funny how the developers tried to make Chris and Ashley a couple, but they spend more time arguing with each other than being sweet. The chemistry is non-existent.
She is so annoying! I always wondered why the game characterizes her as "academic" as none of that shows at any point during the game. She expects Chris to fix and solve everything while she cries and panics (like when "Josh" is cut in half she asks for Chris to say Josh is okay)
Technically they are all on adrenaline when going through everything so difficult situations like a rock wall climb would be doable... and that situation they are on constant adrenaline
Plus, it's implied that Sam, at the very least in the group, climbs regularly. She'd have the right muscles and experience to free climb. Or at least, she'd have a better chance than someone like me, for sure!
I also miss the fixed camera angles from og and idk how valid of a complaint that is? Idk like that’s less of a criticism and a personal preference thing except I would argue that the fixed camera angle did let you see…more? This is still me being soooo nit picky btw 😅 but during the last Jess&Matt section the over the shoulder camera angle doesn’t let you naturally see how screwed up Jess is without you manually turning to look at her….like obviously she’s SO wounded but iirc in the original you can also see it in how she walks, like she’s so slow, trailing behind Matt, arms dangling, etc. again, this is me being nitpicky but I do miss that aspect from the original especially since it’s another hint to the player that Jessica seriously can NOT run.
People are talking a lot about how the search teams clearly messed up looking for Hannah and Beth. Please keep in mind people, firstly a lot of the time search groups aren't brought in or allowed to investigate until people are gone for a while, oftentimes until the missing people are in what's considered the time period least likely to be survivors. Then consider that search teams aren't just seeking these people but trying not to add to casualty counts. Especially in hostile environments like that mountain. They have to work in small groups and travel light, so they aren't exactly equipped like an endgame Skyrim player. If they do go in large groups they are either discouraged or outright disallowed from splitting off to prevent more disappearances. Then there's the low visibility and snow on the mountain. Any tracks have been covered up. The snow can also easily and usually does hide things like deep pits, crevasses and worse they can fall into at a moment's notice or never find. Then keep in mind the history of the mountain. Those mines and the sanatorium were the subject of a major cover-up. We never see anything telling us the Washingtons even know about it. Josh only knows little bits of their existence and not their background due to setting up his horror show and stumbling on them. The search and rescue teams likely weren't told about these places at all, nor would they have maps to find and investigate them.
Great analysis of the original v remake. I think you're right that if you have a copy of both games in hand, the pros of the remake outweigh the cons. That said, I also think that if you have the original game, there's not a big reason to buy the remake. That post-credits scene with Sam seems to be pointing to, presumably, some kind of sequel, which I would be all about. I mean, it's not the most uplifting of scenes, nor can I quite decide if there's a way for it to be related to Until Dawn beyond having a crossover character (frankly, seeing Sam get caught up in a whole new horror might actually be better than anything tying back to Josh/Wendigos/etc). But just that little teaser has me ready for more. Incidentally, you were asking about flamethrower guy's backstory. We do get a bit on the totem screen. There's a video that increasingly completes as you find totems in the game. It's narrated by that guy and, from what I remember, he talks about his lineage a bit. That said, because video completion is based on finding totems, I don't think I've ever seen the whole thing. But it's definitely worth watching for just a little extra lore.
I like watching younger people play who have not experienced the original release of this game because they generally pick all the wrong options and get everyone killed 😂
I feel like this game is a lot more forgiving than some of Supermassive's other games when it comes to characters dying for reasons you could never see coming. In Man of Medan you can do literally everything right the whole game and then have everyone die right at the end just because of one innocuous line choice during a radio conversation
This was such a great gameplay to watch again. I was unsure of the remake quality and all, but now i prefer it over the original, it looks darker and it focuses how the characters are really wounded.
1:03:16 In the first game, if you collected the clues, you could have the hunter guy narrate the story of the past, I think? But he mentions in there that his grandfather also hunted Wendigos, if I'm remembering correctly 😅
I can't help but wonder why the stranger didn't report where he saw Hannah and Beth fall... I mean, that could have possibly meant they'd be rescued and the game wouldn't have happened, but it would be pretty cold to just say nothing. Even if he assumed they were dead, he could at least tell the family so they could find them. This really is a great game, though, and I'm so glad that a bunch of other really cool games have come after it! As always, it's usually Eveline (sorry I didn't remember the exact spelling) that makes them the most enjoyable, even the less good ones.
John Wolfe actually has a great video about the Blackwell Ghost :D Not all the movies are about the same house and he takes it apart pretty well and entertaining
Oh I forgot about the Blackwell Ghost series! I never saw them myself, but John’s video on them was really fun to watch. Thanks for this playthrough, Gab! Loved hearing your thoughts on the remake and how it compares to the original. 💙
It was so dark, I couldn't even see the other characters in the Final Room. I genuinely had a "huh?" moment thinking only two people made it there. I know it's not a direct way of looking at it, but I don't see 10 years improvement. I don't like the "everything is green", prefer the dust in the air... 2:03:21 look into the distance at the top right in the original, the cave appears massive. I remember the feeling that gave me before. I'm missing the sensations of "sinking" and "suffocating" during the remake, and at times I felt like too much of the full screen was taken up by the character your controlling's back. I haven't looked at all of the gameplay to see how those compared, but I really do not recall thinking so much "hey, I want to see where I am, not my back". Like the environment is only a required backdrop, and isn't pulling me in.
Something I've tried to do for my general existence and anxiety, is trying to stop calling myself bad names or stupid for making minor mistakes. When I want to say, wow I was so stupid for that, I try to change it to silly or just allow myself so say whoops. It's a small thing, but it helps to not constantly put yourself down, even when it's about minor things or it feels like you're joking with yourself
i love how he was having a complete mental break down, then when he was asked for the key for the cable car, he was like "uh yeah here you go" completely normal
I was taught the rule of 3's when it comes to wilderness survival-3 hours without shelter (if its extremely cold/hot like in winter or desert), 3 days without water, 30 days without food. There are exceptions-if you are somewhere very hot you can die of thirst faster, and somewhere very cold you will die of hunger faster (body burns energy for heat), and of course if you are on the heftier side vs skinner side effects things. But yeah, 3-3-3.
Thanks for watching the comparison at the end, I had been curious myself. I appreciate you playing the whole game again; I watched a couple of your other playthroughs a while back, and I think you mentioned playing it on your own, so I know you've played it a lot.. In my opinion, this was the best choice based game they have given us. I really liked Frank Stone, but it still doesn't compare to this one. I kinda wish they would take their time and give us another game like this one. They'd get my money so fast @.@
Once again, another game that I was able to watch thanks to you Gab. You see, I've wanted to watch the gameplay of Until Dawn for a long time, but didn't have the guts for it🙈 But when I saw you starting the playthrough of the remake, I told myself it's time now, and I finally watched the whole game. Thanks for the playthrough, Gab❤
The comparison clips are so interesting to me. When I watched the original gameplay all those years ago, I was absolutely terrified by the wendigos; Primarily because of the lighting in parity with their cloudy eyes and twitchy movements. In the remake, while their skin textures are undeniably better, the lack of drama, ambiance and cinema really took me out of the experience. I've watched horror films multiple times and never stopped feeling that spine tingling anxiety despite knowing what's coming. If only they added some more of those creepy particles and intense highlights which add so much extra nuance to the monsters and scenes; it would be a perfect remake.
In the comparison video at the end, a lot of the Sanatorium stuff feels like it's 'filmed' through like a night vision style of camera. The green tint and the difficulty with the details and the contrast all remind me of when I was obsessed with watching Ghost Hunters and a lot of their night vision work was like that.
It kind of strikes me as a strange remake to make. I would also argue they should have called it a Remaster, since the vast majority of the game is identical. When I think of a Remake I think of RE2, or SH2, or something like that, where they're totally rebuilding the game from the ground up. In this case, it looks like they used 99% the same animations and models, and just updated the textures. Seemed like they adjusted things like the snow, and obviously lighting and shaders, but all of those things feel like they'd fit under the Remaster umbrella. It doesn't really feel that different as a game. It's not a bad thing, just seemed odd to call it a remake. The other thing is that the game really wasn't that old, it was just on the previous generation of hardware, unlike something like RE2 which was a PS1 game, or SH2 was a PS2 game, or FF7, etc.
Unpopular opinion? I HATE Ashley. She's always causing trouble and freaking out. I wish she and Chris didn't get together. Chris seems nice, but blind sided by his crush on her. She's just a whiney little thing.
I feel like Ashley was written as a Girl Next Door archetype and the writers thought that was enough to balance out her character flaws, rather than giving her active moments that show her strengths (like they do with Emily).
The visual composition in the OG is way much better, i honestly wish the had playing more with the lights in the remake. And something i really like in the og is the slow pacing, the drama and the way the light changes according to the hour in game
I am late to watching this because I started watching Gabs playthrough of Fatal Frame one and wanted to finish it because its so good. I do not really understand this new ending but I still enjoyed the playthrough thank you gab! I shall now be going back to watch more of the Fatal Frame series and suggest everyone to join me.
An awesome playthrough! The new details are a nice touch, but somewhat dampened by the strange bugs. Once, when I was playing, I thought Jessica died, because she spawned without her head for a moment. 😱 Overall, still great!
The detail quality in the remake is lovely. I miss the atmospheric lighting and elements from the original though. And the original upped the contrast which wasn't really done in the remake, I'm guessing to make it more "realistic"? I also miss the colors in the original.
In hindsight, the search and rescuers that were looking for Beth and Hannah did a terrible job. Why wouldn't they check the mines that still have running electricity lol
Like I'll give them the benefit of doubt on not finding Hannah, but they should have at least found Beth
One could argue that since the girls fell off a cliff, there wasn’t a reason to check the mines. Every entrance is closed off. It’s a poor argument but it’s something. But yea they did fail the twins
@@thatoneguy1232 I dunno about that one, I feel like anywhere there's mines there's always the thought that someone could end up in them or they could cave in in places. It always bothered me that nobody knows about the mines in this area, it just feels off.
@@aawlex2323they are aware of the mines but they don't have rolling patrols up there bc it's technically private property. The twins and Josh's dad bought all that land. However the search team should have checked the mines.
Honestly, so did The Stranger. Like, why didn't he tell the authorities he saw where they fell? He doesn't need to mention the Wendigos, and even if he kept quiet to keep the search and rescuers from the Wendigos, they were at risk looking for the girls anyway. Unless he somehow didn't know they were being searched for.
Its so horrible knowing that Hannah survived the fall, buried her sister, and then dug her back up to eat her- the psychological elements if this game were what got me, such a good story
especially when you discovered all the clues yourself and piece everything up
Thats one of the most tragic tragic death ive ever heard of. God that mustve felt awful.
Like imagine being humiliated in front of your friends, drop like 10 feet off a cliff, see your sister die right in frint od you. Have the guts to bury her and be miserable alone in the mines for 30 days alone, can you imagine all the thoights she had, that wouldve been awful especially after the "prank"
If the wolf ate the dead wolf, would he turn into a wendoggo?
I was thinking about that! The way the journal wrote it said "Man or woman", and talks about the respect of animals on the mountains, so they'd be part of the natural order. As well as the fact that ,eating what you have to as an animal is natural, while not natural for a person, I feel the Wendigo spirit might not affect them. I'm sorry, I'm sure this was just said to be cute, but you got my brain going.
@@daydreamer8344 don't be sorry! That's such a cool question, and I'm inclined to agree with your answer based off of what you've presented.
Others have more seriously answered the question, but I just want to congratulate you on that "wendoggo" pun.
Wolfs don't eat carnivores. So unlikely
I think that only implies to humans who resort to cannibalization. which dated way back in history.
I feel like the stranger always died too fast after he finally got properly introduced. Like I get they were in the open with a wendigo, but the dude had survived for a long time on that mountain only to be taken out so quickly. I just feel like he should have had a bit more time before getting killed.
Also the actor didnt direct the OG until dawn, but he was a writer for it. His name is Larry Fessenden, for anyone curious
He survived that long because he was alone and only had to care for himself, the moment he teams up with a complete amateur he dies trying to save him, had he gone check on Josh alone like he wanted to he probably would've survived.
@gabrielpasqualini8413 yeah I get that, I just still think it was a little too soon and kinda abrupt as he was just introduced to the group. It's just a little too abrupt storytelling wise. But I mean it doesn't break the story at all or anything. It's just more of a nitpick and a preference thing I think
yeah it's a trope that I'm not really a fan of. you introduce the expert character for some exposition for the protagonists, and then you kill them to raise the tension.
@@danilooliveira6580 yeah true. My problem with the stranger here is also they build him up with all the small glimpses we get and then just kill him when we finally meet him
Yeah. I can agree. Although, for plot and story purposes, it makes sense, but at least I would have loved to see him alive and interact with the others just a liiiiitttle longer. after was revealed
Sam’s actress mentioned in an interview that the scar is connected to the curse. It’s a similar shape to the symbols the Stranger left behind too. My guess is since she’s responsible for killing the biggest Wendigo and its co, the curse got angry with her and inserted a piece of itself into her. That combined with the mental turmoil from that night will forever haunt and taunt her until she goes back to the mountain, so it can finally try and claim her.
Like a horcrux?
Until Dawn 2????
1:24:43 Gab the scary thing is, if you're trapped in a cave or underground, the walls of the cave absorb sound so sound doesn't travel as effectively. That's why they prolly couldn't her Hannah call for help
They should’ve searched the caves if these guys got down there so easy
The real monsters were the detectives that interviewed Jess _before_ bringing her to a hospital
considering later games of the devs, I would say the super natural are a known issue to authorities so they probably had to assess what kind of monster attacked them in case she turns into something in the hospital.
my head cannon is that they don't actually know each other from school, but from are all a part of a rock climbing club. Only explanation why ALL of them can scale rock faces like they're nothing
apparently Emily and Sam ARE in a climbing club, the red outfit Sam is wearing at the end is hers, and Emily is apparently wearing a blue/black version earlier in the game (during the prank intro). Also they're the only two that climb like that - Mike climbs that part in the mines after Jessica falls, but it's not a rock face.
I thought so too
i heard before that the thing that's going on with Josh that made his story even more tragic is that when looking at his medication, he was treated for depression, but when looking at his symptoms, he was suffering from schizophrenia. On top of that, antidepressant would only worsen the symptoms of schizophrenia and all that is why he went taking his medication. Dr Hills really is the actual vilain. Not sure if it's incompetence or something else, though.
Yess!! I think Game theory made a video about that, at least that‘s where I first saw it
If I had to bet, I blame his parents. Hiding his issues from the rest of his family, jumping from doctor to doctor as Dr. Hill was not his first, the private hospitals/treat centers. All screams that his parents were denying his actual problems, shopping around for a doctor that would tell them what they wanted to hear and trying to take care of it as privately as possible while denying him the help and support Josh needed.
What Josh really needed was time. A diagnosis like that wouldn't be made quickly plus his family trying to hide it would only add to the stigma. Not to mention the stress of his sisters missing. Sam found Josh's phone with the real Dr. Hill trying to reach out to him. The tragedy being Josh doesn't have that kind of time with actual monsters running around,
Josh: clearly having a mental breakdown, needing to be supported
Sam: glad you’re okay! but yeah, Hannah was down here for a month. Let’s get outta here
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It seems like Sam's secret ending and Josh's new good ending is hinting at a sequel. It is also interesting that the book was "Creature Myths of the Great Plains" (like she was studying wendigos) and the medication is Sertraline, an antidepressant.
omg I have the same antidepressant as Sam 😮
Rather strange way of portraying the use of anti-depressants, isn't it? I haven't been majorly depressed myself, but I have taken a lot of different meds due to chronic migraines and whatnot, and anti-depressants aren't addicting at all. At least not in the sense as you would suddenly take tons of pills in no time, like some might be tempted to with opioids, benzos etc. So not entirely sure what we are supposed to get from that scene? It feels like we are supposed to believe Sam has fallen into some sort of deep addiction, but then sertraline doesn't make much sense. Could of course be that Sam has simply slipped so far into depression that she doesn't clean her room anymore. So, it's not her emptying bottles of anti-depressants at an alarming rate, it's simply her no cleaning up the empty ones.
@@RamGuy459 I didn't think anything about addiction. I just think because it was "some years later," it's trying to show that she has been on antidepressants for a little bit
@RamGuy459 it didn't give me any impression that she had an addiction. Nothing indicated that she took all those pills recently, but I don't think we saw the labels of all pill bottles, so they could've been for other issues as well
Sertraline also treats ocd, which could hint at her obsessive tendencies over the wendigo
I didn’t understand why Josh would mess with Sam as much as he did because he would confide in her so much, but on this rewatch I understand that he projected a lot onto her and wanted to show her the others in turmoil. He thought she was on the same page as him.
The voice saying Sam’s name in the post credit scene sounds like Dr. Hill to me, which also makes sense with all the pills
yeah i thought the same! i figured the pills were a sort of anti depressent but thinking about it more it might be for schizo (what josh had) and it passed onto sam due to her traumatic exprience, she seemed heavily impacted by it in the ending when talking in the credits and even saying 'idc if you believe it, you will have to' etc which is symptoms of schizo. and shes having a achizo epsiode about the bleeding arm, not sure what the symbol means bc it didnt look related to the wendigos, but you can tell since she hasnt been taking her pills hence them pilling up on her bedside table. so maybe sam ins mc in a future game w dr hill with a sort of mental disorder. sounds so good!
@@heidi-kr2xi I'm positive you dont mean it as such but I just wanna let you know that "schizo" is considered a slur lol,,
the shorthand or abbreviations most commonly used are either sz / sch / or SAD (provided a mood disorder is also present) but it's a complicated disorder with many different branches! :) It's entirely possible that Sam developed it as she's likely at the right age group, combined with the traumas of losing her friends & yknow... nearly escaping death LMFAO- but it could also be a plethora of different disorders; we'll just have to see what the devs decide :D
The way that my body would never physically recover from half the things these kids went through. Breaking the doors with my shoulder? My collarbones would shatter. Climbing up a cliff in freezing temperatures? I'd fall to my death. Tumbling down the rocks? I wouldn't even bother getting up.
Not to mention being blasted by TWO explosions. Not only are they super strong physically, but their bodies also seem to be made of titanium. Sam is just straight up wonder woman.
Dude running in the army when I first joined at 19 ruined my legs. I’d be crippled for life if I was in their shoes
"I guess I'll just die." -Stardew Carp
I mean, adrenaline is a hell of a drug, but I generally agree. Plus, opening doors should be done with a kick, not one's shoulder. Media gets it wrong a lot (so do people, I suppose).
Even if adrenaline (and most of them being pretty fit to begin with) got them through the night, they would be feeling *all* of this mess afterwards. Possibly with permanent issues from all the falls!
Same, but also I probably wouldn't even be there to begin with. Climbing a fence as the entrance to a hike to a possibly unmaintained cable car, up a mountain to another hike that leads to a dusty, cold (luxury-) cabin in the woods? In the middle of freaking winter? Nah-uh. Not for a group a people that mostly dislikes each other (and I would hurt myself trying to climb the fence so it ends there anyway lol)
I love how that guy says "wendigo tortures their prey and keep them alive for as long as possible" while all we see (except for josh) is everyone being killed as fast as possible xD
The running theory of why he says that is that he wanted to scare Chris into listening to him (which works). Chris was going to keep looking for Josh while the Wendigo was hunting and wanting to get him to safety, he lied to get Chris to listen and go.
I feel mixed about this remake as a whole, but it’s admittedly pretty cool they included that Josh scene and brought Hayden Panettiere back for that post-credits scene.
Zero clue what the scene is hinting at though. I’m guessing a potential Sam centric sequel of sorts? If they had to canonize one character’s survival for a potential follow up, Sam does feel like the obvious choice.
the graphics very clearly look better, but at the same time I really get the problem with over the shoulder camera. the fixed camera give this detached feeling, like watching a story unfold. you are not the characters, you are watching their story. over the shoulder gives too much immersion for a story you are not supposed to be part of.
Sam and Mike perhaps
You're so right about the original being more "filmic"; the director of the original Until Dawn was a movie director so he had a great eye for dramatic camera shots, lighting, and such. The new one definitely lost a lot of "pazazz" (and that amazing soundtrack) at the price of new content.
Yet the maker of the remake claims the use of narrower field-of-view, etc. Is for creating an overall more cinematic experience. I fully agree, the original does it better.
If they really plan a sequel to this, I hope they get Larry Fessenden again as a writer. He seemed quite passionate about Until Dawn and I don't want it to become a boring cash grab. Give me more movie clichés, deeper satire, new creatures and characters we love to hate
I just realized that Josh never talks in his "therapy sessions". First, I thought that's just so the player doesn't recognize who the patient actually is, and thats definitely also part of the reason, but there's another reason as well. When we, as the player, choose one of two ways to answer any query from Dr. Hill, Josh doesn't voice the answer, even after the reveal. Dr. Hill just answers, he knows what Josh is thinking, because he is Josh's hallucination. The hints were there from the very beginning
Omg chris is really going through it. First he had to experience killing his best friend, watching him be sawed in half (not real, but a very real experience fir chris). Then he was forced to shoot himself or ashley which is traumatizing for obvious reasons, even if he didnt end up dead he fully expected to pull the trigger and die. Then he watched someone get ACTUALLY DECAPITATED. I should also mention that all of these are scripted events, so chris is severely traumatized in every universe. 😢
Unfortunately a lot of filmmakers now seem to believe that dramatic lighting isn’t the way to go, even though SO many people (myself included) are just like, “I can’t SEE ANYTHING”
So I sure don’t think wanting more dramatic lighting, even if it’s unrealistic, is too big of an ask. It’s a monster horror game. It’s ALREADY unrealistic-
That said, I do wonder what on earth that last scene with Sam was supposed to mean.
To me, the sam ending might be a nod at the optional thing with josh becoming a wendigo ( at least in the og i remember that scene)
Mostly because for one, we see the last bit of the sam scene in the sort of movement/heat vision that the wendigo pov always was. Now what the hell its meant to tell us, i couldnt say. maybe sam is haunted by the shit she saw and its just in her head?
Either way, it feels very unecessary and kinda sequel baity.
i mean og until dawn didnt have "dramatic lighting", it was just an ugly blue filter lol And this game wasnt even dark. Imo they lost the cinematic aspect but its rather bc of the camera work, not bc of lighting
THIS. The entire time I was looking at the differences all i could think was that one tumblr post about how you can't see anything in movies and shows anymore because dark = scary to filmmakers these days. Like I love the clarity of the remake but give it some light so I can see it.
@@fluffy_magnus lighting and color are two different things. yes the original was too blue. the remake is better lighting in some respects/scenes for the most part, but in some the original has better lighting. but the remake has way better texture, contrast, and color overall imo. I feel like the camera work is almost identical.
@@Invalidationcoded.... I know it's two different things. that's why I made a distinction that it wasnt lighting but a filter lol can't think of a single moment where lighting alone was better in the og. And what I meant by camera work is mostly the fixed angles.
Emily slapping Ashley will always be just MMMMM *chef's kiss* girlypop ate with that
I love the potential Ashley death in the tunnels and how it’s brought up in the end interviews if both she and Jess make it. Although it does make me wish they did a bit more with the mimicry aspect, the scene always gives me chills
I got Ashley killed with the mimicry on my first playthrough because I assumed it was the game double-bluffing me. Then she just died and I could not have felt more stupid
wolfie is probably a mix, because wolfs are taller, have bigger ears, dont bark and their front legs are further together, but the tail look like a wolfs, except the missing black tip
I love how Mike never needs to reload that double barrel SG lol
I love the way you talked about the differences between the original and the remake at the end. You highlighted some of the same issues I had with the new version but in the end I think my main complaint is the fixed camera angles and that green light they used in some of the scenes: I found the original more cinematic and I wish they kept that, even if it sometimes meant it had some non-realistic lighting
One of my favorite things is how bright the wendigos are. It really draws you to them and really contrasts against the darknesses of the background.
26:18 Gab's utter annoyance at being interrupted while reading was so palpable it was hilarious, you can FEEL the displeasure radiating 😂
To be fair to Josh not taking his meds. It was noted that he had developed a resistance to them and had to take more and more, they also cause liver damage and his doctor wasn't switching him to a different medication which is usually done to prevent exactly that. So it was either death by liver failure or stop taking his meds.
Exactly, this is Dr. Hill's fault.
I enjoyed this but I really wanted to see Jess and Mike reunited. I also wanted to see them all better. I like a happy ending. Another point is the search and rescue crew rubbish. How did no one find ANY of that stuff down there.
I really appreciated the reminder about not being always perfect. I often struggle with it and i think it comes from parents that let you feel like you are not enough even when you are actually doing good.
so true brother, i wish you the best in your healing journey!
@heidi-kr2xi thank you. It's a long process but our Wellness is so important🙂
Still find it funny the director guy survived over a year out there then dies soon as he meets the group.
I find it even funnier how the fact he died because of Chris wanting to tag along just goes over peoples head...
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mike has the best lines in the game
A 1000%
I feel a little bummed that there wasn't much to the new Josh ending, but I'm guessing Rami Malek is too large of a name for them to be able to afford to record any new scenes with him. Still a really fun experience overall, though. Thank you for sharing the update with us.
I dont know how limiting their contracts are, but technically you wouldn't need him to act out any new scenes, as long as there are no voice lines. They have the character model already and anybody with a similar stature could put on the mocap suit. But maybe they just wanted the focus to be on Sam and her scene
I love the little teaser for possibly a sequel? Maybe something to do with that snowglobe that seemed so out of place? Something about a carnival as far as I remember?
I‘m so curious what they‘re cooking!
I think the Snow globe was meant to reference Rush of Blood! It would make sense as that game is meant to be in Josh’s head.
@ Ohh wow, I’ve never even heard about that one! That makes sense. But they do seem to have some sort of plan for Sam, I wonder what that thing on her arm was 👀
The allowance of “good enough” is amazing when dealing with overwhelming anxiety. So freeing
Jess looks pretty shellshocked at the end. And what always bothered me about the ending was that there was no reunion scene between all the characters. Mike still probably thinks Jess is dead.. feels incomplete wish the remake did something about that.
I like how even after the heinous night she's had, Emily's the most sane and composed in the interviews, even enough to mention Mike almost shooting her rather than her encounters with the wendigo and fire tower 😭
You think she seems sane there?
@@aawlex2323yes. Emily is very composed. All she did was report a CRIME that was committed against her
Emily can mention the fire tower and the wendigos.
The fire tower only comes up if her relationship with Matt was bad and he abandoned(jump to safety). She goes on about how Matt left her on the crumbling tower. She doesn’t mention it here because if she’s on good terms with Matt, then she’s solely worried about his wellbeing.
No one really mentions the wendigos but all of them can. The reverse order in which the first set of interviews go is the order of who gets to speaks about the mines, wendigo, and potentially Josh. People have to die to get the next person up. So it’s typically always Sam but if she’s dead, then it’s Mike. The rest goes Jess>Matt>Emily>Ashley>Chris. Emily’s is the most informative version of the “investigate the mines” interviews.
I just assumed that was a response to a question that was asked. I'm sure they ALL talked about the mines and monsters first thing, we just didn't see it. Afterwards they answered questions the best they could because the authorities obviously didn't believe them.
I think the saying is something like you can survive 3 minutes without air, 3 hours in the cold, 3 days without water, and 3 weeks without food. Idk if that's accurate though
Yup. Rule of threes for survival. I've always hear it as "3 minutes without air, 3 hours without shelter, 3 days without water, and 3 weeks without food".
I've heard it as shelter, mostly when I did camping and hiking and stuff back in the day.
And of course how long you can go without food generally depends on how much muscle, and then fat, that your body can self-cannibalize before you genuinely waste away.
As a rule of thumb that works, but technically all those things are heavily dependent on the circumstances. Survive 3 minutes without air just marks the time when your brain cells start dying without oxygen, you'd need someone to revive you, though, since most people pass out way before that. Water needs depend on the climate you're in, and like the commenter before me said, food depends on your build and metabolism
Emily is invincible any normal person would be dead by now after everything
The most annoying character in the WHOLE game lives off of pure spite and refuses to die
@@KitosKvothe yep lmao
She's great in a bitchy way! I think the only thing I hated was how she treated Matt, mostly how at the end she says "Mike's my boyfriend" even though he literally almost, or in some playthroughs literally does, shoot her.
@@KitosKvotheYES!! Thank you!! Omg!! I freaking hate her so much!😂 butterfly effect, it all started with Emily!
Normally I’m all for a bitchy girl in a horror story but yeah she’s fucked up for what happened in the opening
"I'm the expert."
Immediately gets his head ripped off.
He always worked alone, he died because Chris insisted in going with him.
i have a running theory that Emily is entirely made of steel except for her skull and knee lmfao
fr, Hannah gets stuck down the mines for a month before eating Beth out of desperation but Emily tumbled her whole way down those mines and still found her way out, she's the terminator 😂
This episode reminded me of when Markiplier played Until Dawn back when it first came out, and he LOST IT, almost went catatonic! when he got Ashley killed in this sequence lolllll
That event lives rent free in my head. All the stages of grief, the guttural scream, and the sheet resolve to make the world right and whole again!
I really hate Ashley so much esp when it comes to the Emily part. She just panics too much and jumps on conclusions and makes everything worse. Also I like Sam for standing up somehow for Emily like she did for Hannah, it's not much but at least she tried to voice out for them. That's why Sam is my fav charac and next is Emily.
Nice playthrough as always Gab! And loved the tidbits screentime of BB!!
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Same, Ashley is the only character I actively dislike in the game after seeing all the things that can happen. She's the only character who does nothing of value. She's not kind and well-meaning but she also isn't smart or resourceful. Worst of all the one brave and selfless thing she does (telling Chris to shoot her instead of himself) is a thing she will later punish Chris for doing!
One thing that bothers me about the remake is the Wendigo screams, the original ones were so much scarier
1:21:19 I kinda assumed it was the death of Hannah and Beth that drove them appart and brewed resentment between them. Like Mike was to blame because he was Hannah's crush and Emily was his girlfriend who let it happen. The prank was Jess's idea and Ashley and Matt just let it happen so the anger and blame split the group up. This is also the first time the whole 'gang' is back together.
Right? I feel like everyone just forgot that minor detail 😂
I really don't understand why people question the dynamic of the friend group. They're teenagers! There are so many friend groups at that age that are just full of drama and they don't really get along. They are all probably ready to go their separate ways now they're graduating/graduated besides the few that are super close. And they're mostly together now for Beth and Hannah's sake
People say teenagers and I default to high schoolers. For me, I see college kids. Though I suppose some could be 18/19 but I still saw them as 20 somethings. You can still be cruel and immature at that age. I don't know, I feel like they have to much travel freedom with zero adult supervision, to be teens. Are they all rich with disposable income?
@Anime10473 true about 20 year olds they can also be like that and they definitely look more like 20s. But there are a few things that still make me think they're teens or at least were high school seniors when the sisters disappeared:
-in the lead up to the prank Emily says that Mike is Class President (also her bragging about her GPA in the fight with jess but that could be college)
-when Josh is trying to hype Chris to go for it with Ashley he says something like "look around, do you see any parents?"
-in Hannah's diary she writes about "mom finally agreed" in reference to the party, (could be just permission to use the lodge though)
This was a cool game! It was interesting to see the side by side comparisons and then hear your feedback about it. I get what you mean about the way light is handled. Also, the framing and other small details! All very important things that make such a difference. I agree that, at times, the background appears less interesting in the newer version and sort of loses that sense of outdoor moonlight. More focus now on the action and on the character's expressions, and such? (But I've never actually watched the original) I majored in Art, so I could definitely nerd out on that kind of thing!! And, it does NOT matter if you "officially" know what you're talking about, you know what you feel, and that is all that matters! Thanks for playing this one again for us!
37:47 "Mooooooom youre embarassing me in front of chaaaaat!" Thats all i can think of when Gab asked BB if he farted lol!
The wendigo eyeballs from the original game look more realistic, something that has been unchanged from their human form. It would have been cool of the new version of the game could have retained that in their redesign.
Don't they look mostly the same though? In the original they also were changed as described in the medical file and it explains their altered vision
Moral of the story kids: don't go off your meds
Yup
And don't play cruel pranks on your supposed friends
And don't be rich and own a house on cursed mountains
I don't think Josh was taking the right medication anyway, he was treated for depression and the dude had full conversations with his missing sisters. The moral of the story would be mental health needs more attention I would say. And don't eat human corpses...
@@angelaolano6080exactly, Josh was doing the best he could.
Kitty Cam makes me smile! love your cat :)
2-3 weeks:
During this initial period, the body utilizes its readily available energy stores, such as glucose and glycogen.
3-8 weeks:
After depleting these stores, the body starts breaking down muscle tissue for energy. This process leads to weakness, fatigue, and muscle loss.
8 weeks or longer:
In rare cases, some individuals may survive for several months by entering a state of ketosis, where the body uses fat for fuel.
i think the dramatic in the old one also had this light "bloom" effect that made everything glowy and like you're looking through a slightly blurred lens
Ah, Im dissapointed there wasnt the "BHAAA" sound when you first see Hannah in the living room on the chandelier
They ruined the audio! No 'BHAAA' when the wendigo shows up in Emily's section either, really lowers the impact
1:21:24 yeah but at the same time the camera pics that you can see in the prologue show that they were a bit closer than you think. The way they hang out seemed way connected to each other than just “they’re a friend of a friend”.
are we sure that's mike and not special agent ward? 😂 just running and gunning in the sanatorium like a pro
I wonder if the reason the remake looked a little more blurry during the time in the sanatorium is maybe they didn’t make the dust particles visible like in the original so instead they made everything more cloudy in comparison
Man it sucks that you have to kill Matt in order to play as Jessica again, as she’s only playable in chapter 1 if he’s alive,and the fact she can’t find a totem if he’s alive to?? I wish the remake at least added one new segment for Jessica,like the unused Jess segment from the prototype 😔 at least then she’d be able to find clues and a totem
I wish there were more Jess too, she shows genuine character growth going from seeming kinda bitchy at the start to revealing to Mike that she's insecure and then being traumatised by everything whereas most of the other female characters felt a bit one note
You know i always forget how annoying ashley actually is until I rewatch this game LMAO
That slap was well-deserved
I'm always floored that even after realizing she was wrong about the bite thing, she keeps talking in a panicked way as if she didn't just learn that it was fine.
If I had to choose, I would rather get stuck in a life or death situation with Emily rather than Ashley. Emily does have attitude, but I feel like she is reasonable, practical and resilient enough to put your differences (if any) aside for the sake of survival. Meanwhile you would have to hold Ashley's hand through the entire ordeal while dealing with her panic attacks and temper tantrums. The most useful thing she did in the entire game was opening the door for Chris. I find it funny how the developers tried to make Chris and Ashley a couple, but they spend more time arguing with each other than being sweet. The chemistry is non-existent.
I agree she is VERY annoying
She is so annoying! I always wondered why the game characterizes her as "academic" as none of that shows at any point during the game. She expects Chris to fix and solve everything while she cries and panics (like when "Josh" is cut in half she asks for Chris to say Josh is okay)
How did you know i was about to make a puzzle and needed a nice video to watch while making it!
In the post credit scene, was it Dr. Hills voice calling to Sam? It sounded like him to me but I could just be insane
Technically they are all on adrenaline when going through everything so difficult situations like a rock wall climb would be doable... and that situation they are on constant adrenaline
Plus, it's implied that Sam, at the very least in the group, climbs regularly. She'd have the right muscles and experience to free climb. Or at least, she'd have a better chance than someone like me, for sure!
True
I also miss the fixed camera angles from og and idk how valid of a complaint that is?
Idk like that’s less of a criticism and a personal preference thing except I would argue that the fixed camera angle did let you see…more? This is still me being soooo nit picky btw 😅 but during the last Jess&Matt section the over the shoulder camera angle doesn’t let you naturally see how screwed up Jess is without you manually turning to look at her….like obviously she’s SO wounded but iirc in the original you can also see it in how she walks, like she’s so slow, trailing behind Matt, arms dangling, etc.
again, this is me being nitpicky but I do miss that aspect from the original especially since it’s another hint to the player that Jessica seriously can NOT run.
I remember this being the part where Markiplier noped out so hard he restarted the game 😂 1:05:47
People are talking a lot about how the search teams clearly messed up looking for Hannah and Beth. Please keep in mind people, firstly a lot of the time search groups aren't brought in or allowed to investigate until people are gone for a while, oftentimes until the missing people are in what's considered the time period least likely to be survivors. Then consider that search teams aren't just seeking these people but trying not to add to casualty counts. Especially in hostile environments like that mountain. They have to work in small groups and travel light, so they aren't exactly equipped like an endgame Skyrim player. If they do go in large groups they are either discouraged or outright disallowed from splitting off to prevent more disappearances. Then there's the low visibility and snow on the mountain. Any tracks have been covered up. The snow can also easily and usually does hide things like deep pits, crevasses and worse they can fall into at a moment's notice or never find.
Then keep in mind the history of the mountain. Those mines and the sanatorium were the subject of a major cover-up. We never see anything telling us the Washingtons even know about it. Josh only knows little bits of their existence and not their background due to setting up his horror show and stumbling on them. The search and rescue teams likely weren't told about these places at all, nor would they have maps to find and investigate them.
True, but the Washingtons had the money to hire professionals to look for them. And hire many of them at that
Great analysis of the original v remake.
I think you're right that if you have a copy of both games in hand, the pros of the remake outweigh the cons. That said, I also think that if you have the original game, there's not a big reason to buy the remake.
That post-credits scene with Sam seems to be pointing to, presumably, some kind of sequel, which I would be all about. I mean, it's not the most uplifting of scenes, nor can I quite decide if there's a way for it to be related to Until Dawn beyond having a crossover character (frankly, seeing Sam get caught up in a whole new horror might actually be better than anything tying back to Josh/Wendigos/etc). But just that little teaser has me ready for more.
Incidentally, you were asking about flamethrower guy's backstory. We do get a bit on the totem screen. There's a video that increasingly completes as you find totems in the game. It's narrated by that guy and, from what I remember, he talks about his lineage a bit. That said, because video completion is based on finding totems, I don't think I've ever seen the whole thing. But it's definitely worth watching for just a little extra lore.
I like watching younger people play who have not experienced the original release of this game because they generally pick all the wrong options and get everyone killed 😂
I feel like this game is a lot more forgiving than some of Supermassive's other games when it comes to characters dying for reasons you could never see coming. In Man of Medan you can do literally everything right the whole game and then have everyone die right at the end just because of one innocuous line choice during a radio conversation
Woooo I love all your Until Dawn play-throughs!! And all your videos 🫶🫶🫶
This was such a great gameplay to watch again. I was unsure of the remake quality and all, but now i prefer it over the original, it looks darker and it focuses how the characters are really wounded.
1:03:16 In the first game, if you collected the clues, you could have the hunter guy narrate the story of the past, I think? But he mentions in there that his grandfather also hunted Wendigos, if I'm remembering correctly 😅
I can't help but wonder why the stranger didn't report where he saw Hannah and Beth fall... I mean, that could have possibly meant they'd be rescued and the game wouldn't have happened, but it would be pretty cold to just say nothing. Even if he assumed they were dead, he could at least tell the family so they could find them.
This really is a great game, though, and I'm so glad that a bunch of other really cool games have come after it! As always, it's usually Eveline (sorry I didn't remember the exact spelling) that makes them the most enjoyable, even the less good ones.
Maybe he’d assumed they’d both died and didn’t want anyone to discover the wendigos and mess with them when he was trying to contain them?
They might not have started out as friends, but now they're trauma bonded for life!
John Wolfe actually has a great video about the Blackwell Ghost :D Not all the movies are about the same house and he takes it apart pretty well and entertaining
Oh I forgot about the Blackwell Ghost series! I never saw them myself, but John’s video on them was really fun to watch.
Thanks for this playthrough, Gab! Loved hearing your thoughts on the remake and how it compares to the original. 💙
It was so dark, I couldn't even see the other characters in the Final Room. I genuinely had a "huh?" moment thinking only two people made it there. I know it's not a direct way of looking at it, but I don't see 10 years improvement. I don't like the "everything is green", prefer the dust in the air...
2:03:21 look into the distance at the top right in the original, the cave appears massive. I remember the feeling that gave me before. I'm missing the sensations of "sinking" and "suffocating" during the remake, and at times I felt like too much of the full screen was taken up by the character your controlling's back. I haven't looked at all of the gameplay to see how those compared, but I really do not recall thinking so much "hey, I want to see where I am, not my back". Like the environment is only a required backdrop, and isn't pulling me in.
Something I've tried to do for my general existence and anxiety, is trying to stop calling myself bad names or stupid for making minor mistakes. When I want to say, wow I was so stupid for that, I try to change it to silly or just allow myself so say whoops. It's a small thing, but it helps to not constantly put yourself down, even when it's about minor things or it feels like you're joking with yourself
i love how he was having a complete mental break down, then when he was asked for the key for the cable car, he was like "uh yeah here you go" completely normal
My friend was on the design team, fills me with so much pride seeing his name in the credits!
I'm always happy when BB makes an appearance! He looked so comfy snoozing on Gab's lap.
I was taught the rule of 3's when it comes to wilderness survival-3 hours without shelter (if its extremely cold/hot like in winter or desert), 3 days without water, 30 days without food. There are exceptions-if you are somewhere very hot you can die of thirst faster, and somewhere very cold you will die of hunger faster (body burns energy for heat), and of course if you are on the heftier side vs skinner side effects things. But yeah, 3-3-3.
Thanks for watching the comparison at the end, I had been curious myself. I appreciate you playing the whole game again; I watched a couple of your other playthroughs a while back, and I think you mentioned playing it on your own, so I know you've played it a lot.. In my opinion, this was the best choice based game they have given us. I really liked Frank Stone, but it still doesn't compare to this one. I kinda wish they would take their time and give us another game like this one. They'd get my money so fast @.@
Once again, another game that I was able to watch thanks to you Gab. You see, I've wanted to watch the gameplay of Until Dawn for a long time, but didn't have the guts for it🙈 But when I saw you starting the playthrough of the remake, I told myself it's time now, and I finally watched the whole game. Thanks for the playthrough, Gab❤
ash is so much more annoying then i remember like girl shut up XD
Felt odd at the beginning, then I remembered how good this game was and was in love again! ❤
Hannah's diary is so sad. Gave me vibes of the movie Ravenous from 1999, which also incorporates the Wendigo
Matt really had matters to attend to in his private reliquary, he just noped out of the whole story!
This was fantastic Live!! Can’t wait to watch it again getting my snacks as we speak lol
The comparison clips are so interesting to me. When I watched the original gameplay all those years ago, I was absolutely terrified by the wendigos; Primarily because of the lighting in parity with their cloudy eyes and twitchy movements. In the remake, while their skin textures are undeniably better, the lack of drama, ambiance and cinema really took me out of the experience. I've watched horror films multiple times and never stopped feeling that spine tingling anxiety despite knowing what's coming. If only they added some more of those creepy particles and intense highlights which add so much extra nuance to the monsters and scenes; it would be a perfect remake.
In the comparison video at the end, a lot of the Sanatorium stuff feels like it's 'filmed' through like a night vision style of camera. The green tint and the difficulty with the details and the contrast all remind me of when I was obsessed with watching Ghost Hunters and a lot of their night vision work was like that.
It kind of strikes me as a strange remake to make. I would also argue they should have called it a Remaster, since the vast majority of the game is identical. When I think of a Remake I think of RE2, or SH2, or something like that, where they're totally rebuilding the game from the ground up. In this case, it looks like they used 99% the same animations and models, and just updated the textures. Seemed like they adjusted things like the snow, and obviously lighting and shaders, but all of those things feel like they'd fit under the Remaster umbrella. It doesn't really feel that different as a game. It's not a bad thing, just seemed odd to call it a remake. The other thing is that the game really wasn't that old, it was just on the previous generation of hardware, unlike something like RE2 which was a PS1 game, or SH2 was a PS2 game, or FF7, etc.
Wait does the new ending hint at them making like an actual sequel, an Until Dawn 2?
Unpopular opinion? I HATE Ashley. She's always causing trouble and freaking out. I wish she and Chris didn't get together. Chris seems nice, but blind sided by his crush on her. She's just a whiney little thing.
I feel like Ashley was written as a Girl Next Door archetype and the writers thought that was enough to balance out her character flaws, rather than giving her active moments that show her strengths (like they do with Emily).
@mirandatilley2486 agreed! Very well said
That was fun to see the Defends at the very end.
Grate new ending.
Will you do a Kill them all ending?
Now I want to see a Until Dawn 2 game.
The visual composition in the OG is way much better, i honestly wish the had playing more with the lights in the remake. And something i really like in the og is the slow pacing, the drama and the way the light changes according to the hour in game
I am late to watching this because I started watching Gabs playthrough of Fatal Frame one and wanted to finish it because its so good. I do not really understand this new ending but I still enjoyed the playthrough thank you gab! I shall now be going back to watch more of the Fatal Frame series and suggest everyone to join me.
BB Cam! :) Oh thank goodness, been missing the frequent BB Cam-ing. Makes everything even better. heh
This was so fun to watch!
An awesome playthrough! The new details are a nice touch, but somewhat dampened by the strange bugs. Once, when I was playing, I thought Jessica died, because she spawned without her head for a moment. 😱 Overall, still great!
The detail quality in the remake is lovely. I miss the atmospheric lighting and elements from the original though. And the original upped the contrast which wasn't really done in the remake, I'm guessing to make it more "realistic"? I also miss the colors in the original.